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Re: Lilypond problems

From: Graham Percival
Subject: Re: Lilypond problems
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 16:25:20 -0700

On 29-Jun-05, at 8:34 PM, Holtrop Sheila wrote:

There were two major problems in the Lilypond software for me in engraving these piano pieces: Problem 1: Slurs and ties cannot be properly implemented in many cases. I have attached a small Lilypond file that demonstrates the problems I have encountered. These measures are cut from the various songs I tried. 1.) Slurs and ties can’t be tied to different voices (Measures 1 and 2).

This can be faked with invisible notes, but I realize that this may seem like
a "kludge".  BTW, you can use \hideNotes and \unHideNotes instead of
your own mkinvis / mkvis (although you didn't actually use mkinvis in this

2.) Ties that defy normal engraving. (Measure 3). This measure was copied directly from a song where the tie from the b arched upwards. Here is arches downwards.

Is that really standard? I wasn't party to the original discussion about this, but I think it looks better the way it is. I'm certain you can tweak it to make it go up, though.

For others, this is what we're talking about:
\relative c' {
<b e g>2 ~ <b e g>4
Lily ties the b~b down, and the e~e and g~g going up.

3.) Ties clashing with other engraving. (Measures 4 and 5).

Collisions are a problem, true.  You can avoid them with various tweaks;
see 4.3 Fixing overlapping notation and the Changing defaults chapter.

4.) Ties don’t carry into a second part of your repeat volta structure (Measure 6 and 8)

IIRC there was some discussion about that on the list a while ago.

 Problem 2: Lack of control over measure length and layout. Many piano pieces are laid out so that a repeat-volta structure ends at the end of a page to eliminate page turning.

You can force this with a \break or \newpage directly after the volta. LilyPond will fiddle with the spacing of everything else so that your volta structure is the last thing
on the page.

- Graham

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