Re: mordent with a slash

[Robert T Wyatt]

Also, I realized later that I should have been more precise with what 
the composer's intent is.

The notehead should be on the b and the performer's articulation is b 
c b as a triplet. So what I wish to ask of lilypond is to make:

b\articulation

... show a 'mordent with a slash' above the 'b' note, which the 
author intends the reader to interpret as 'b c b' played as a 
triplet. (Does this qualify as an 'upper mordent' in your 
understanding?)

For what it's worth this author was classically trained on 
harpsichord with Bach as his main study, however, it seems that this 
nomenclature and symbol is apparently not directly from that 
experience.

If I were to not worry about what lilypond thinks of me as a music 
editor or typesetter, I would just need to know if one of the 
articulation examples is literally a mordent with a slash through it 
and I would use that one. Unfortunately I am simply unable to tell 
from looking if one of them is supposed to be a mordent with a slash. 
:-) Do y'all know?

On the other hand, part of the purpose of using lilypond is to have 
other people also be able to read and understand this music, so 
perhaps it is more important to know if there is in fact a 'proper' 
nomenclature and symbol for the author's musical intent above.

Thank you all very much for helping me sort this out!


At 2:49 PM +0200 5/11/05, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
> Well, at least it's clear from
> http://www.answers.com/topic/ornament-music?hl=inverted&hl=mordent
> that there's quite some confusion when it comes to naming.
> Using the nomenclature of that article, the \prall in LilyPond is
> an upper mordent and the \mordent in LilyPond is a lower mordent.
>
> This is not the only example in LilyPond, where a native english
> speaking hacker might have used some other naming. Actually, in
> Swedish, we usually use "prall" and "mordent" with the same meaning
> as in LilyPond and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same in
> Dutch.
>
>    /Mats
>
> Robert T Wyatt wrote:
> > If one played b c b as a triplet, then this is what I would call an 
> > inverted mordent and I would use a mordent with a slash through it.
> >
> > Can I make this happen (2.5.23)?
> >
> > I did find a reference that a prall is the same as an inverted mordent.
> > http://www.answers.com/mordent
> >
> > The prall symbol in lilypond however is not a mordent with a slash 
> > through it:
> > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/Articulations.html
> >
> > Insights are appreciated.