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Re: Woodwind diagrams in lilypond

From: Ian Hulin
Subject: Re: Woodwind diagrams in lilypond
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 12:13:19 +0100
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Hi Mike,
This is really useful, but there's one nit regarding the flute fingerings,

Not all flutes have a bottom b, and therefore the right-hand low-end key cluster will only have the bottom C# (cis) key, and one c roller.

What is the right-hand x key about on the piccolo chart?

If you can add something to use the relevant key-cluster appropriately that would be good.

On 31/05/10 02:03, M Watts wrote:
On 05/31/2010 02:10 AM, Mike Solomon wrote:
Dear lilypond users,
I am currently working on adding woodwind diagrams to lilypond, and I
would love to hear lilypond users' opinions on this project.

An excellent idea -- contrats on the work so far.

Specifically, I would like to know from woodwind players and/or

1) Are the diagrams correct in their nomenclature and positioning?

One vital thing:--

The 'one', 'two' thru 'six' for the main keys/holes on all instruments
are round the wrong way -- 'one' means first finger, left hand. So 'one'
should be at the top, and 'six' at the bottom.

Some w/w tutors also use a L1, L2, L3, R1 R2 R3 numbering system, but the low numbers are *always* at the headjoint end of the instrument and increase down to the footjoint end.

Several minor things:--

Could the separator line between lh & rh key be a bit longer?

I like the way you only include relevant key clusters -- no need to show
every key every time.

Oboe: rh c cis & ees keys are usually of equal size

Saxophone: front f could be a bit bigger and closer to lh one; palm keys
could be a bit bigger (lh d ees & f); rh side keys could be a bit bigger
(side bes, side c, high e). Maybe add baritone sax low A thumb key?

Similar point to the low-b on the flute.  Not all makes have this.

Clarinet: maybe T & R could be a bit smaller.

Bass clarinet: some horns have an additional ees/aes lever in the lh
little finger cluster; low c horns might have a 6th key for rh little
finger (for low d), as well as 3 keys for rh thumb (low d, des, c)

2) Do the diagrams meet the standard of visual elegance to which you hold

I reckon so -- they're looking really nice; I like the ability to
indicate depressedRing-to-open trills etc.

If you are interested in extending this project to other instruments,
let me know.

Maybe recorder, tin whistle, bagpipes
Baroque flute, Simple-system flute (pre-Boehm keyed - used by 'Irish traditional music flute players).
Simple-system clarinet.  French-system bassoon.

The code is written as such so that someone who knows how to
use Scheme should be able to, by observing the way that the
instruments are
constructed, make their own instrument in the same manner.

Very handy.



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