Re: [SPAM] Re: acciaccatura before barline

[David Raleigh Arnold]

On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 19:14:55 +0100
Urs Liska <address@hidden> wrote:

> Thanks, that's clarifying. Abs confirming that my model's
> notation is "correct".
> 
> David Stephen Grant <address@hidden> schrieb am 27.03.2014:
> >Elaine Gould writes: "Grace notes sounding on the beat should
> >always be placed after the barline. However, a group of three
> >or more grace notes sounding before the beat may go before the
> >barline so that the first beat
> >of the following bar is not pushed too far from the
> >barline." (Behind Bars,
> >p. 127). However, to avoid ambiguity it is recommended to
> >specify how the
> >grace notes should be performed, eg. "All grace notes to be
> >performed before/on the beat". As for slurs, she advises
> >slurring to the following
> >measured value provided that this is the intended
> >articulation. 

Clear as mud.

> >(Kurt Stone: Music Notation in the Twentieth Century, p. 22)
> >seems to recommend omitting the slur entirely,

Why? Because of the contradiction.

 and adding a staccato
> >dot if the grace note(s)
> >should be detached.

An interesting solution. Detaching at tempo would seem to be
a challenge. Nevertheless, it is a proper paper solution to a
paper problem.
> >
> >
> >On 27 March 2014 18:22, Urs Liska <address@hidden> wrote:
> >
> >> Is that really true? I've seen this notation regularly. What
> >> the
> >composers
> >> seem to intend - and what is easily understood - is that the
> >> slur
> >indicates
> >> that the grpup logically belongs to the _next_ note while the
> >position
> >> before the barline tells to okay _before_ the beat.

If they are grace notes, their time value must come from
somewhere. If it comes from the following note, the grace
notes start on that beat. How can the legatura mark
change that? Sometimes under beams the
grace note comes from the previous note. Isn't it a good
idea to indicate that with a legatura? It often isn't.
IAC, if writing grace notes before a bar means that
their time does not come from the first beat, where
does it come from if not the previous note? "Logically
belonging" is not the issue, time is.

Of course the worst time for an arbitrary hesitation or break is
before a bar line, but that has nothing whatever to do with where
the time value comes from.

Of course you could write small notes that are not grace
notes, but if you are inserting time into a measure would
it not be good to provide for it somehow? And would not the
presence of a legatura (slur mark) or legato (phrase mark) do
nothing but confuse the issue if spanning a bar line?

The legature spanning small notes don't make any difference in
their execution anyway, so the marks are used to indicate
where the time comes from, or for decoration.

I apologize for not making this much shorter. It's late. :-)

Regards, Rale


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