Re: repeat, alternative, partial and full bar

[Mats Bengtsson]

Ali Cuota <alicuota618 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> I want to see exactly what shows this minimal example, except that the
> "space" is not desired.
> This is from an hymn melody and I do the SATB setting. So I would like
> to have the original "optic". And with so short repeats, it doesnt
> make sense to enlarge the alternative.
> Now, without the s8, the half-note of alternative 2. begins in the
> remaining half-beat and so the rest of the song.
> Thats why.

As has already been pointed out, the notation in your example doesn't really
make sense, rhythmically. In particular, the second alternative would
provide the second half of the bar starting before the first alternative, so
the bar lines after the second repeat seem half a bar off, to me. Anyway, if
you just want to avoid the space provided by s8, you could read about
scaling durations at
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/writing-rhythms#scaling-durations.
The resulting example would then be
\relative c' {
\partial 8
\repeat volta 2 { d8 d4 d8 d }
\alternative { { d4.*4/3 } { d2 } }
d8 d8 d8 d8 d2
}

    /Mats


> Thanks in advance
> 
> Franck
> 
> 2015-01-26 1:58 GMT-05:00, Brian Barker <b.m.barker <at> btinternet.com>:
> > At 19:54 25/01/2015 -0500, you wrote:
> >>I wonder how to codify correctly this minimal example:
> >
> > That depends on what you want to see!
> >
> >>the s8 is here to fullfill the bar, but take some space and should not.
> >
> > o Why do you think you need this? If you want to go back to the
> > starting quaver upbeat, it's important that the first-time bar is
> > *not* complete. But that would mean that the repeat bar-line comes at
> > a point within a bar, not at the end. The second-time part would have
> > to start with a partial bar of only a quaver length.
> >
> > o Your first-time bar (as marked) is half a bar. Is this ever
> > permissible? None of Elaine Gould's examples show this.
> >
> > o With the first-time bar being only the second half of a bar, the
> > minim at the start of the second-time version completes the bar and
> > should be followed by a bar line. Then the four barred quavers and
> > the final minim should be a contiguous bar - with no intervening
> > bar-line. Is that what you mean?
> >
> >>Is there a better way?
> >
> > Yes - but that depends on exactly what you mean. I started to try to
> > correct this, but that's not possible without knowing how you think
> > it should actually expand.
> >
> > Brian Barker - privately
> >
> >
>