Re: repeat, alternative, partial and full bar

[Ali Cuota]

Dear Mats,

thanks, this is perfect. One time more amazed with the doc. I would
not have searched this in the doc.

The point is the common rythm of spanish Señor ten piedad (Kyrie)
Cristo ten piedad etc
Señor needs (better said: is generally solved with) an upbeat and is
repeated, Cristo needs a downbeat and is repeated, then again Señor
etc
Generally the composers write the repeats, but in this case I have to
write it with \repeat volta 2

Anyway this is solved,

Franck

2015-01-26 7:11 GMT-05:00, Mats Bengtsson <address@hidden>:
>
> Ali Cuota <alicuota618 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I want to see exactly what shows this minimal example, except that the
>> "space" is not desired.
>> This is from an hymn melody and I do the SATB setting. So I would like
>> to have the original "optic". And with so short repeats, it doesnt
>> make sense to enlarge the alternative.
>> Now, without the s8, the half-note of alternative 2. begins in the
>> remaining half-beat and so the rest of the song.
>> Thats why.
>
> As has already been pointed out, the notation in your example doesn't
> really
> make sense, rhythmically. In particular, the second alternative would
> provide the second half of the bar starting before the first alternative,
> so
> the bar lines after the second repeat seem half a bar off, to me. Anyway,
> if
> you just want to avoid the space provided by s8, you could read about
> scaling durations at
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/writing-rhythms#scaling-durations.
> The resulting example would then be
> \relative c' {
> \partial 8
> \repeat volta 2 { d8 d4 d8 d }
> \alternative { { d4.*4/3 } { d2 } }
> d8 d8 d8 d8 d2
> }
>
>     /Mats
>
>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Franck
>>
>> 2015-01-26 1:58 GMT-05:00, Brian Barker <b.m.barker <at> btinternet.com>:
>> > At 19:54 25/01/2015 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>I wonder how to codify correctly this minimal example:
>> >
>> > That depends on what you want to see!
>> >
>> >>the s8 is here to fullfill the bar, but take some space and should not.
>> >
>> > o Why do you think you need this? If you want to go back to the
>> > starting quaver upbeat, it's important that the first-time bar is
>> > *not* complete. But that would mean that the repeat bar-line comes at
>> > a point within a bar, not at the end. The second-time part would have
>> > to start with a partial bar of only a quaver length.
>> >
>> > o Your first-time bar (as marked) is half a bar. Is this ever
>> > permissible? None of Elaine Gould's examples show this.
>> >
>> > o With the first-time bar being only the second half of a bar, the
>> > minim at the start of the second-time version completes the bar and
>> > should be followed by a bar line. Then the four barred quavers and
>> > the final minim should be a contiguous bar - with no intervening
>> > bar-line. Is that what you mean?
>> >
>> >>Is there a better way?
>> >
>> > Yes - but that depends on exactly what you mean. I started to try to
>> > correct this, but that's not possible without knowing how you think
>> > it should actually expand.
>> >
>> > Brian Barker - privately
>> >
>> >
>>
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