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Re: Is Sibelius really as bad as this?
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Richard Shann |
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Re: Is Sibelius really as bad as this? |
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Fri, 29 May 2015 09:13:41 +0100 |
On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 21:16 +0200, Jacques Menu wrote:
> Hello Richard,
>
> Find attached what I get after raw import of the XML file into Sibelius 7.1.3
> and then export as PDF.
>
> It seems there’s no difference with what you got from IMSLP.
>
> JM
Well, again I couldn't view this in Evince but I could open it with
Iceweasel, and it shows something interesting: in bar 13 the original
has a cautionary accidental in parentheses.
Denemo's MusicXML import ignores this field (yes! I've submitted a bug
report for this) so I have inserted it manually, getting the attached
typeset LilyPondBar13.png.
The hand-written Sibelius output was particularly bad for this (see
SibeliusHandGenerated.ly), while Sibelius's MusicXML import, like
Denemo's, ignored the cautionary attribute when re-importing its own
MusicXML (see SibeliusImportedFromMusicXML.png attached - this has been
snipped from your file).
Reading this mailing list gave me the impression that Sibelius was a
required format for some publishing houses. How can this be? Do people
go through every dotted rhythm adjusting the positions of the dots by
hand? I just the really terrible ones? Every tie?
Richard
>
>
> > Le 28 mai 2015 à 20:58, Richard Shann <address@hidden> a écrit :
> >
> > On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 20:22 +0200, Johan Vromans wrote:
> >> On Thu, 28 May 2015 19:06:08 +0100
> >> Richard Shann <address@hidden> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is Sibelius really this bad (ties treated as slurs,
> >>
> >> I frequently rewrite Sibelius scores into LilyPond, and this is one of the
> >> issues that cost a lot of manual preprocessing. Moreover, it makes the
> >> composer 'lazy' -- it doesn't matter whether to create a tie or a slur, and
> >> the command for tie is apparently very easy.
> >
> > But the composer wasn't 'lazy' in this case - the MusicXML shows that
> > ties were entered for ties, not slurs, yet they are typeset as if they
> > were slurs. (That is, Sibelius exported to MusicXML making the
> > distinction between the slurs and the ties correctly, so they must have
> > been entered correctly, but its typesetting is wrong).
> >
> >>
> >>> (Oh, and the Sibelius-generated PDF does not render with Evince, but
> >>> that is another issue I presume).
> >>
> >> Both attachments render fine in my Evince.
> >
> > Ah, that'll be down to my version of Evince being too old then...
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
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LilyPondBar13.png
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SibeliusHandGenerated.png
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SibeliusImportedFromMusicXML.png
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- Is Sibelius really as bad as this?, Richard Shann, 2015/05/28
- Re: Is Sibelius really as bad as this?, Johan Vromans, 2015/05/28
- Re: Is Sibelius really as bad as this?, Richard Shann, 2015/05/28
- Re: Is Sibelius really as bad as this?, Jacques Menu, 2015/05/28
- Re: Is Sibelius really as bad as this?,
Richard Shann <=
- Re: Is Sibelius really as bad as this?, Urs Liska, 2015/05/29
- Re: Is Sibelius really as bad as this?, Urs Liska, 2015/05/29
- Re: Is Sibelius really as bad as this?, Richard Shann, 2015/05/29
- Re: Is Sibelius really as bad as this?, Urs Liska, 2015/05/29
- Re: Is Sibelius really as bad as this?, Ali Cuota, 2015/05/29
- Re: Is Sibelius really as bad as this?, Kieren MacMillan, 2015/05/29
- Re: Is Sibelius really as bad as this?, Urs Liska, 2015/05/29
- Re: Is Sibelius really as bad as this?, Helge Kruse, 2015/05/30