Re: Fwd: Re: install frescoba 2.18.2 in Ubuntu

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On 03.03.2016 18:08, David Wright wrote:
> On Thu 03 Mar 2016 at 09:37:55 (+0100), Blöchl Bernhard wrote:
> > -------- Originalnachricht --------
> > Betreff: Re: install frescoba 2.18.2 in Ubuntu
> > Datum: 03.03.2016 09:03
> > Von: Blöchl Bernhard <address@hidden>
> > An: address@hidden
> >
> > The headline in the original post was not correctly positioned! The
> > subsequent text to it was NOT written by David Wright but lies in my
> > own responsibility. The headline should only referencing the
> > citation. Sorry for my mistake. Here the corrected version:
> >
> > I did not read the complete thread and after reading the last
> > posting I will not do that.
> I have no idea which posting you mean by "last posting". "Last"
> is particularly ambiguous in English; we do not even have the
> distinction in meaning made AIUI by the position of "dernier"
> in French.
>
> > That is a collection of citation of
> > unverified storys, opinions and wishes.
> ... So I have no idea of what _your_ opinion refers to, which
> means it's impossible to agree or disagree with you. That's why
> we normally quote what we're referring to on mailing lists.
>
> > I do not understand the
> > central problem and how to address it to lilypond? And Frescobaldi
> > AFAIK is anothert development team?
> I don't understand why you've written question marks here.
> Are you implying that someone has stated that "you do not understand
> the central problem and how to address it to lilypond" and that you
> disagree with them? If so, who implied it, and where?
>
> I can't parse the construction "And Frescobaldi as far as I know is
> another development team?". If _you_ don't know what you know, how can
> anyone else?

Well, if you dont know and nobody else, then the question mark is eligible.

> > Am 03.03.2016 06:40, schrieb David Wright:
> >
> > > > But even better, use a apt-get ppa repository, this you keep u to
> > > > date your self, without being dependant of Debian.
> For the second time, you have posted that David Wright wrote something
> that David Wright didn't. Please take more care with your postings.
>
> > The content and versions of a repository are in the responsibility
> > and taste of the package manager(s) and usually can not simply be
> > affected by the software developers, say lilypond or frescobaldi
> > development team. A repository is a COLLECTION of software for a
> > particular linux version
> I agree with all that.
>
> > - you want a "repository" only contending
> > lilypond/frescobaldi? Who should do that?
> I don't want anything; this isn't _my_ problem. There was an original
> problem that "Bernard <address@hidden>" was having, coping
> with mixing an ubuntu distribution with software downloaded from
> elsewhere:
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2016-02/msg00758.html
> Then there was a discussion about clarifying some instructions, but I
> don't know which instructions were being discussed becaues that wasn't
> made clear with a precise reference:
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2016-02/msg00772.html
If it was not made clear, how should it be clear for me?

> There followed a posting which contained "But even better, use a
> apt-get ppa repository, this you keep u to date your self, without
> being dependant of Debian" which is what I commented on:
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2016-02/msg00773.html
> This posting appeared to me to be muddling up different distributions
> (Debian, ubuntu), different ways of installing software (package
> managers, direct installation of upstream software), software that had
> and didn't have (versioned or absolute) dependencies (lilypond,
> frescobaldi, python-ly, pyqt4, pyqt5).
>
> It did not appear to me that progress was going to be made in
> clarifying instructions (whichever ones are being discussed) unless
> the terms people used were better defined, and naked version numbers
> were avoided particularly as the main players have identical or
> closely identical version numbers at present. It's no effort to write
> LP 2.18.2 or F 2.16.2.
>
> > For clarification best would be to target your problem precisely for
> > a simple minded reader.
As you mention, nothing was mafd clear, a precise description would help 
me and others.  is'nt it?
> Cheers,
> David.

Sorry for wasting your and my time.