Re: Ladder-style C clef for TTBB men's chorus

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Hi Karlin,

How about:

\version "2.19.48"

%%% Clef C Ladder Style defs:
myClefC = \markup\stencil
  #(make-path-stencil
   '(M  0.000  -1.500
     L  0.000  -1.850
     C  0.000  -1.890  0.032  -1.920  0.075  -1.920
     C  0.122  -1.920  0.150  -1.890  0.150  -1.850
     L  0.150   1.850
     C  0.150   1.890  0.122   1.920  0.075   1.920
     C  0.032   1.920  0.000   1.890  0.000   1.850
     Z
     M  0.350  -1.500
     L  0.350  -1.850
     C  0.350  -1.890  0.382  -1.920  0.425  -1.920
     C  0.472  -1.920  0.500  -1.890  0.500  -1.850
     L  0.500   1.850
     C  0.500   1.890  0.472   1.920  0.425   1.920
     C  0.382   1.920  0.350   1.890  0.350   1.850
     Z
     M  1.800  -1.500
     L  1.800  -1.850
     C  1.800  -1.890  1.832  -1.920  1.875  -1.920
     C  1.922  -1.920  1.950  -1.890  1.950  -1.850
     L  1.950   1.850
     C  1.950   1.890  1.922   1.920  1.875   1.920
     C  1.832   1.920  1.800   1.890  1.800   1.850
     Z
     M  2.150  -1.500
     L  2.150  -1.850
     C  2.150  -1.890  2.182  -1.920  2.225  -1.920
     C  2.272  -1.920  2.300  -1.890  2.300  -1.850
     L  2.300   1.850
     C  2.300   1.890  2.272   1.920  2.225   1.920
     C  2.182   1.920  2.150   1.890  2.150   1.850
     Z
     M  0.500  -1.100
     C  0.500  -1.030  0.520  -0.970  0.620  -0.950
     L  1.600  -0.670
     C  1.690  -0.650  1.800  -0.620  1.800  -0.700
     L  1.800   0.070
     C  1.800  -0.020  1.700  -0.020  1.630  -0.050
     L  0.750  -0.300
     C  0.550  -0.370  0.500  -0.330  0.500  -0.200
     Z
     M  0.500  -0.100
     C  0.500  -0.030  0.520  0.030   0.620   0.050
     L  1.600   0.330
     C  1.690   0.350  1.800  0.380   1.800   0.300
     L  1.800   1.170
     C  1.800   0.980  1.700  0.980   1.630   0.950
     L  0.750   0.700
     C  0.550   0.630  0.500  0.670   0.500   0.800
     Z)
   0 1 1 #t)

\new Staff \with {
  \override Clef.stencil = #(lambda (grob) (grob-interpret-markup grob myClefC))
  clefPosition = #1
  middleCPosition = #1
  middleCClefPosition = #1
}
{
  \key aes \major
  \time 3/4
  c'2.
}

Cheers,

Pierre

2016-09-17 21:28 GMT+02:00 Karlin High <address@hidden>:

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:     Re: Why the part-combining in American hymnals? (WAS:
Beaming, partcombine and pickups)
Date:     Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:24:27 +0100
From:     J Martin Rushton <address@hiddencom>

...In passing I also note the use of the C-clef, but in an unusual
position that makes it the same as a conventional G-clef.
Regards,
Martin

-------- End Forwarded Message Excerpt --------

The unusual C-clef is actually the same effect as using \clef "treble_8"
but with a different symbol. Middle C ends up on the third space.

For me, that "ladder" clef symbol instantly identifies the song as a
TTBB men's chorus arrangement. I'm attaching a PNG with a more-typical
example of what I'm used to. LilyPond's standard C-clef symbol is
something I hadn't seen outside of the software until two days ago, when
I found it in an early-1900s men's chorus songbook at a garage sale.
(The book was something like this one:
https://archive.org/details/youngmenschorusc00adam )

Is there any way to get that ladder-style C-clef in LilyPond? Although I
can live with treble_8, typical TTBB men's chorus audiences here would
expect the ladder. I remember seeing a discussion for generating a very
similar symbol, but the right side of the ladder had "flags" going out
from the top and the bottom.
--
Karlin High
Missouri, USA

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