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Notational conventions
From: |
Hans Åberg |
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Notational conventions |
Date: |
Wed, 9 Nov 2016 00:07:30 +0100 |
> On 8 Nov 2016, at 23:41, Thomas Morley <address@hidden> wrote:
>
> 2016-11-08 22:20 GMT+01:00 Hans Åberg <address@hidden>:
>
>> And a reason of writing a complex time signature might be to make it
>> impossible for the performer to follow it: In Balkan music, one plays by
>> ear, and the variation is greater than the irrational time signature
>> examples I gave. A Western musician when seeing 12/8, 12 = 3+2+2+3+2 with
>> quadruplets on them, might try to play it as exactly as possible, but that
>> is not how it should be performed.
>
> Let me step in here.
>
> This sounds (partly) like obfuscating the music to force the reader of
> the score to do some thorough studies before trying to perform.
Western composers have done it for a long time. Somebody wrote time signatures
with e and pi decades ago, and modern complexity takes it to an another level.
Cf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46w99bZ3W_M
As for myself, I just happened to discover a way to typeset it.
> Isn't it a good idea to do _always_ such studies?
> You can't even perform baroque-music adequat without them.
> Another example, I recall several printed editions of
> Flamenco-Alegrias in 3/4, but following exactly the 3/4 would come out
> completely wrong. It's often easier to get an raw glance, though.
>
> Reading a score is not (and never was) enough to get an impression how
> the music _should_ sound or to perform it.
>
> So I ask myself, why make it even more difficult for the reader with
> impossible things?
But for whom do you notate? Flamenco music does not notate the correct time
signature. If you would toss skilled Western musicians a score, how would you
notate it? Getting them to study Flamenco music and its notational traditions
would be very costly.
Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8, Hans Åberg, 2016/11/08
- [Why you don't really want] irrational tuplets [nor CF approximations], Alexander Kobel, 2016/11/08
- Re: [Why you don't really want] irrational tuplets [nor CF approximations], Hans Åberg, 2016/11/08
- Re: [Why you don't really want] irrational tuplets [nor CF approximations], Thomas Morley, 2016/11/08
- Notational conventions,
Hans Åberg <=
- Re: Notational conventions, Thomas Morley, 2016/11/08
- Re: Notational conventions, Hans Åberg, 2016/11/09
- Re: Notational conventions, David Kastrup, 2016/11/09
- Re: Notational conventions, Hans Åberg, 2016/11/09
- Re: Notational conventions, David Kastrup, 2016/11/09
- Re: Notational conventions, Hans Åberg, 2016/11/09
- Re: Notational conventions, David Kastrup, 2016/11/09
- Re: Notational conventions, Hans Åberg, 2016/11/09
- Re: Notational conventions, David Kastrup, 2016/11/09
- Re: Notational conventions, Hans Åberg, 2016/11/09