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RE: Unconventional score and unwanted stray staff lines

From: Mark Stephen Mrotek
Subject: RE: Unconventional score and unwanted stray staff lines
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 10:31:13 -0700


My experience is transcribing 18th and 19th century piano scores.
I do get "run-off" staves. 
This is usually the result of incorrect mensuration of a note or notes.

You piece still has some sort of vertical simultaneity.
Perhaps you could start with a temporary time signature, just to see if voices 
Then remove it for publication.


-----Original Message-----
From: David Bellows [mailto:address@hidden 
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 10:46 PM
To: Mark Stephen Mrotek <address@hidden>
Cc: lilypond-user <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: Unconventional score and unwanted stray staff lines

Hey Mark,

> Maybe use bar checks?

Given that a lot of the music isn't generated to fit any particular time 
signature (ie, the bar lines are often there just to break things up to ease 
reading), I would get tons of bar check errors. Plus, keeping track of when 
bars should be inserted in my software seems like it would be a huge chore. Is 
this something you think would solve the problem?

On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:25 PM Mark Stephen Mrotek <address@hidden> wrote:
> David
> Maybe use bar checks?
> Mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lilypond-user 
> [mailto:address@hidden On Behalf 
> Of David Bellows
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 3:59 PM
> To: lilypond-user <address@hidden>
> Subject: Unconventional score and unwanted stray staff lines
> Hello everyone,
> I tried to keep the examples minimal but I also needed to show the full 
> extent of what is going on.
> Attached are two Lilypond files and pdfs showing an unconventional score. 
> Each part has the same number of notes but since the durations are random, 
> each part ends at its own time.
> and badtest.pdf show the default behavior. When a part ends, one 
> of its staves continues on till the last part ends. I don't want this 
> behavior.
> and test.pdf do a better job of showing what happens with the 
> workaround hack of adding s128 at the end of each part. The problem with that 
> -- and I didn't include examples -- is that if all the durations are the same 
> and end at a natural bar line, an extra empty measure is added at the end of 
> each part. I can't check for this occurrence ahead of time in my own software 
> as it would be insane to keep track of all of that.
> You'll notice a lot of context commands all of which I think are necessary to 
> get everything else to look as it should.
> So I'm hoping someone has an idea about what's going on here and how 
> to prevent those extra staves like in test.pdf
> Also, these Lilypond files are generated automatically by another program 
> I've created so the layout of the Lilypond file can't really be changed 
> without a massive amount of work. Hopefully a solution won't require 
> something like that.

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