Re: [Pan-users] new post counts not adding up

[memilanuk]

On Mon, 06 May 2013 04:02:30 +0000, Duncan wrote:
 
> So maybe you've found a bug, or maybe it's simply unexpected behavior. 
> I don't know.  But at least from here, I don't see enough detail in your
> description to be comfortable trying to duplicate it in a mode I'm not
> familiar with, so either someone else who routinely uses those modes
> will need to confirm/explain, or the description will need to be
> tightened up enough to be able to duplicate it.  Since we're both (along
> with others here) doing gmane, if you can give a specific group/list and
> thread that it's happening to, maybe...  But it sounds like the behavior
> may not be positively duplicable for you, either, which would complicate
> things dramatically. =:^(

I think part of what may be causing problems may be fragmented threads 
(don't know if thats the proper term) where someone responds to another 
post but it ends up as a separate thread, whether due to a quirk of the 
server, something they had misconfigured in their newsreader client, 
changed the subject line, whatever.  Sometimes I get all the children 
posts with the setting 'Match only unread articles' + 'Show matching 
articles threads'; other times I have to toggle the 'Show matching 
articles sub-threads'.  Typically I want to see all the surrounding 
posts, if only for context of who responded to who and in what order - 
personal preference, I know.

A case in point (although not a really low-traffic list) just happened to 
present itself: gmane.comp.python.general.  The group pane shows (4) 
unread messages.  With the header pane set to 'Match only unread 
articles' + 'Show matching articles threads'... when I enter the group I 
only see two threads with unread articles... but each with only *one* (1) 
unread article i.e. two 'missing' unread articles.

Now if I toggle to 'Show matching articles sub-threads'... I now see four 
unread posts.  One post is from one thread... then there is another post 
in another thread... and then there are two more new posts with the same 
subject line as the first one, but they aren't 'connected' to it.  I 
believe (in this case) that these two are the 'missing' unread posts that 
were unaccounted for.

Actually, when I turned off 'Match only unread articles', it turns out 
those other two posts are indeed a 'fragment' of the other thread that is 
now appearing as a top level thread of its own.

I can understand (in an abstract manner; I fully admit I couldn't begin 
to code this sort of thing myself) how that sort of thing must complicate 
life for the programmer.  But I do have to ask... why *is* there an 
option to show matching articles thread vs. sub-threads, but the matching 
article 'thread' doesn't include all sub-threads as well?  Conversely, if 
those two 'missing' posts are now fragmented and appearing as a new top-
level thread... why aren't they shown as new posts anyway?

Thanks,

Monte