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Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Embargo to export autopilots from US?

From: Prof. Dr.-Ing. Heinrich Warmers
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Embargo to export autopilots from US?
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 10:33:11 +0200
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Hi  Paolo,
tank you for the information's.

In Germany we have the following  situation:
In 1,5km distance to an airfield model aircraft are forbidden or they need approval from the tower.
Automatic model aircraft are only allowed if  the model pilot can see the  attitude and  always have a direct control by RC and  the flight has a hobby or sport  reason.
For commercial and research flights the restriction are the same but a written permission from the aircraft board is necessary . Every flight has to be documented in paper form.
In towns you have  to inform the local police before the flight.
FPV- flights with only one pilot are always forbidden.
For every flight  in a control zone CTR   a pproval from the  air traffic controller is necessary. This is the same as in US.

I think it is a good idea to inform the paparazzi  users  in the wiki  of the restriction an law situation in  the several countries.



Paolo Bernasconi schrieb:
Export limitations won't  be lifted any time soon .., 
Not only, the real beef is the impending elimination of the non commercial use clause for autopilot based radio controlled flying models. My speculation .. by I can read the writing on the wall.

Ever heard of the near miss collision between a jetliner in final  and a "drone" in Florida?
Well, it was not a gov licensed flying unmanned device.. so it must have been an FPV  or paparazzi based model or similar and it was flying into the path of a jetliner. is the possibility it was something more sophisticated, but those are all controlled. Now for a pilot to actually see it, it must have been relatively large and slow. So what was it? Apparently it came so close, the pilot said it was convince to have had a collision.

We have been flying paparazzi for quite some time .. you all know that  to get a flying model to go up high and close to a jetliner , one needs to work actively to make it fly into reserved airspace quite deep . It could be an accident .. someone with an autopilot board with failing return to home safety lost radio control of an FPV or paparazzi based model.  Regardless ... 

Do you see where the problem is?

If , the exporter as described above, went to the extreme of recalling a package that was already out to the FedEx destination station, it means the exporter did get a phone call from someone with enough convincing power to make them stop the delivery. Really .. that's a step a business takes only if they are about to get in serious legal troubles,
Now what could they be?  Read the writing on the wall. 

To be frank with, if the above accident was a hobbyist,  the it was a real idiot, but the  reality is that the FAA won't let this happen again and controlling export of paparazzi board is just the first easy step .

This is not going to go away.
This is just the beginning .Expect to lose the ability to fly paparazzi  without commercial license in the near future. 
Not to mention ... commercial flight of small drone technology  is about to get a official spot in the NASA/FAA plan for integration with general aviation . There is an entire industry that is waiting to get the green light and that spells troubles for hobbyists because it might well be that non commercial unlicensed autopilot based flying model won't  be allowed anymore some time soon.

So, fly till you can ... 

On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 4:22 AM, SilaS <address@hidden> wrote:

I mean there is the time for EU and China to achieve position of US! If the market response it as usual, then we can only win from this stupidity.


2014-05-16 13:11 keltezéssel, Chris írta:

Strange thing are happening, here an IMU with export restrictions
and here is another without any such warning, i am confused...

On 05/16/2014 01:16 PM, Prof. Dr.-Ing. Heinrich Warmers wrote:
Hi Chris,
the problem is that most of the  current paparazzi PCB are sold from US-Shops.
By the way a new small  61mm x34mm PCB from Ollimex is available:
Christoph  is working on a connector  PCB for the discovery F4.
After he has tested the  prototype PCB, he will  order 20 PCBs from China.


Chris schrieb:

I think that it might although the whole issue is ridiculous as Paparazzi can run on almost any microcontroller evaluation board like the discovery.
I have heard that sparkfun also has export restrictions on imu breakout boards, another silly move.
The problem is that any fully autonomous autopilot with waypoints is considered a weapon in USA i think but afaik an empty microcontroller board is not an autopilot, next they will restrict all development boards?
Well Heinrich if you ask me that means more jobs for European countries as only exports are restricted, not imports, but above all this silly move shows why paparazzi is the best autopilot out there...

On 05/15/2014 12:02 PM, Prof. Dr.-Ing. Heinrich Warmers wrote:


i have found this:

will the paparazzi hardware supplier also have  restriction to export to europe?


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