Re: [Phpgroupware-developers] Re: Serious PHPGroupware

[Dan Kuykendall]

Patrick J. Walsh (mr_e) wrote:
>     Well, yikes, I had no idea that there was this kind of animosity 
> behind the scenes. 

Its always bound to happen in a large project. Oh well.

 I've been involved in this project on and off as
> time allows for several years now and I've never had a problem with 
> Dan's leadership. I'm concerned that e-mails like this will scare him 
> away from the task. 

It did for most of the last year. I was around, but really wasnt in the 
mood to have to fight about every issue, so I just kept in the background.
I switched jobs a month ago and decided to just get back into phpGW more 
heavily with all my new ideas and goals and see what I could do to make 
the project more exciting. I am also relieved that Milosch has started 
his own project for several reasons. I wont have to deal with our 
constant clashes, I know he probably has not enjoyed the stress a single 
bit either, and it gives up a good point to get things back on track and 
put this all behind us.

> Instead, I believe, we should all be thanking him 
> for an otherwise thankless task.

I get plenty of thanks from all the happy users and just being apart of 
such a great project.
Even more imporantly I am not nearly the only one to thank. Jengo, 
Milosch, ceb and skeeter have all done as much as I have to make this 
project what it is. For everyone thats out there enjoying 0.9.14, it is 
only released because of skeeter and ceb, I had almost nothing to do 
with either the development or getting the code readt for the release.

>  We're talking about a large project 
> with a huge number of goals.  Instead of just a web-based groupware 
> application, it is aimed at being a platform for other groupware 
> applications, web-based or not.  I think phpGroupWare 1.0 would have 
> been released a year or more ago if not for this ambitious (and worthy) 
> goal.

Agreed

>     The key to helping the project move forward at a good pace is to 
> find ways to help Dan and also to help individual app developers.  There 
> needs to be a way for individual application developers to have a 
> release schedule independent of the main phpgw app schedule.  They also 
> need to have pages on the phpgroupware web site for providing downloads 
> and information.  The new SiteMgr app will facilitate this.  I'm hoping 
> that the SiteMgr app's ability to grant specific users write permissions 
> to particular pages will pay off by making the web site more up to date 
> and allowing developers to state what they're working on and when they 
> expect it to be done.  If Dan (or a committee, which is even worse) 
> doesn't have to be the central clearing house for this kind of thing, 
> more work can get done.

I agree. I think that sitemgr will really help in allowing developers of 
various apps to have their own sub-site that they can control. It will 
also help us in that we are now eating our own dog food in a very 
meaningful way. I plan to do some statistics on how the app holds up to 
the load we get to our site.

>     Anyway, I think the 0.9.14 release is very good and all of the core 
> developers, leadership, and etc. deserve some applause.  

As mentioned, skeeter and ceb deserve the credit for getting 0.9.14 
finally released.

Seek3r