Re: [Phpgroupware-developers] Clarification of Proposed Structure

[Dan Kuykendall]

Dave Hall wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Instead of responding to several posts seperately I will try to address
> several issues which have been raised by people.
>
> I personally would like to avoid a fork - but there are some key points i
> will not really negotiate on:
> * Truly democractic structures - no one should have the right of veto (as
> suggested by seek3r on #phpgroupware) ... regardless of previous work 

I will not negotiate on this either. The founding four need permenant 
positions in the leadership team, and they should have veto power. I 
think we can be trusted with both of these and have earned them.

> * Assignment to the FSF - without this the community does not control the
> project ... which is the primary aim of this document

I agree on assigning code. But not the domain or the trademark.

> I am not denying that the core team has made considerable contributions to
> the development of phpGroupWare - that is why I am happy for them to continue
> to hold the honorary title of "Project Founder" with no special priviledges.

I understand that you will not support my plan for the founding fours 
permemant positions, and veto power. What about everyone else?

> The document sent to the list has been a month in the making, and so the db
> layer issue is now a dead one, but I think it would have been a good first
> test of the democratic structure model.

Fair enough

> Over management, maybe.  At the same time, the document is a draft, not a
> final version.  During the preparation of it parts changed, and we hope it will
> change further.  The aim of it is to create a project where not only the
> source is open, but the structures are too.

ok

> Activity,I will give my definition here.   Being easily contactable
> regarding, managing your area of responsibility within the project, 
> participating in
> discussions which effect your area of responsibility.  

better. I think it can still be refined, but good start

> Some people have suggested that the current core team is a single entity, it
> is not.  At the moment ceb is the only active membe rof the core team.  Not
> only is she porting to head, she is assisting in the running of the project. 
> I know why skeeter is not active at the moment, but that is for him to
> discuss if he wishes, not me.  As for jengo, the last i saw him he was commiting
> xml-rpc changes to support  a non free app he is working on.

I also keep in touch with things. Maybe not on a daily basis, but I 
follow the mailing lists and talk to ceb from time to time. I dont 
generally speak up in the mailing lists unless I have something 
important to add. Skeeter has gone inactive for his reasons, jengo hasnt 
contributed in a long time, but his imprint is forever. Jengo and I 
started phpGW together.

If you do not think the founding four can be trusted with permenant 
positions in the leadership team and with veto power, then I think you 
do not know us very well. I will also not agree and will require a fork 
without these measures.

Dan