Re: [Phpgroupware-developers] Re: Standard source code header and php Documentor

[Reiner Jung]

OK,

it's time to give my statement.
probiz receive more than 300.000 EUR for developing a solution with
phpgw. We (Ralf,Lars and I) meet them on the CEBIT in Hannover Germany.
They don't want communicate with the community. They have a business
plan for what they receive money. They told us that they are make the
first project with OS developers. I know the plan from them and i say,
that what they do it's not a community project. They want that the "OSS
developers" agree with their "commercial" product. 

What they told us on the CEBIT:
We can be happy, that a company like probusiness make a commercial
solution and professional support for phpgw. 

I have no NDA with probiz and when anybody want know more about, what
they want do, please ask. I hope we can declare it.

We ask them, to spend some money for development to the developers, but
they don't want. When I want i found a way. 

Greetings to probiz. Follow OSS rules and not YOUR COMMERCIAL INTEREST 

Am Sam, 2003-06-28 um 02.42 schrieb Dave Hall:
> address@hidden wrote:
> 
> > My thoughts on this discussion: Kai proposes do do some work that has
> > not been done, and seems to be a very valuable contribution, 
> 
> It is only valuable if it can be used, which is my point.
> 
> > so I feel
> > very unconfortable if the first answer he gets is of an agressive
> > style. 
> 
> I am sorry if this has offended anyone, but I am not the only one who
> has been aggressive.  One of Kai's first contacts with the project:
> 
> http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/phpgroupware-developers/2003-04/msg00138.html
> 
> Early bug reports:
> http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=3382&group_id=509
> http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=3374&group_id=509
> 
> Failure to take note of feedback:
> https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=4016&group_id=509
> 
> I could find more if people would like.
> 
> > It is true that moving from one documentation style to another
> > needs discussion, and Kai should have asked for this discussion,
> > before heading in one direction.
> 
> Yes, this is part of the problem with Kai's (and probiz's) attitude
> towards the project.  They decide something then try to impose it on the
> project.  All subscribers to this list should be aware, the project
> works on a collabrative model.
> 
> > But as I see it, we have the alternative between our current
> > documentation style, which is used only partially by us, and not
> > common among other projects, and a proposal to implement 
> > completely -
> > even if it takes some time - a new style that seems a sort of standard
> > for many PHP projects. This proposal seems reasonable to me.
> 
> This may be the case, but this must be a decision of the project, not a
> patch contributor.
> 
> > 
> > Michael
> > 
> > "Chris Weiss" <address@hidden> a écrit:
> > 
> > >>So whats the problem? Maybe your statement on wiki isn't complete?
> > >
> > > from outside (since I'm not "core" and don't have API access 
> > myself), it seems the
> > > problem is that everything you submit is followed up by am out 
> > of sorts discusion.
> > >
> > > Also keep in mind that some of us have been here for years and 
> > still don't have API
> > > commit access, and probably never will.  Unless you're actually 
> > maintaining code for
> > > the api there's no need, docs are not code, neither are lang 
> > files, and neither
> > > require much maintainance.  Both are very needed but neither 
> > warrent api commit access.
> > 
> > 
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