[Top][All Lists]

[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

Re: [playogg-discuss] playogg-discuss Digest, Vol 21, Issue 2

From: Chris
Subject: Re: [playogg-discuss] playogg-discuss Digest, Vol 21, Issue 2
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 22:54:49 -0500

On 2015-02-25 12:01 PM, address@hidden wrote:
Send playogg-discuss mailing list submissions to

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to

You can reach the person managing the list at

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of playogg-discuss digest..."

Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Why not playOpus? (Ivan Privaci)


Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 20:47:06 -0500
From: Ivan Privaci <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [playogg-discuss] Why not playOpus?
Message-ID: <address@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

On Saturday, January 24, 2015 07:49:09 PM CodeHero wrote:
I just saw the playOgg campaign and it looks like a nice idea. However
I've been wondering why you did not advertise opus instead as even says that opus makes other lossy codecs like Vorbis and Speex
I completely agree, personally, though the FSF has unceremoniously abandoned this campaign (for the last half-decade!), and have never shown any interest in the replacement campaign ("playfreedom"[1]) that they were collecting email addresses for 4 years ago. Quite aggravating, as this is one of the few campaigns going that could be focussed entirely on encouraging users to take advantage of being able to do something, rather than telling them to give up something. (Opus so far seems to be genuinely better than any other audio
codec out there for ANY application other than lossless archiving and
EXTREMELY low bitrate [<8-10kbps] voice-over-IP, and it's already surprisingly
widely supported, if not well-advertised).

I have SOME hope that the FSF might start considering this to be an important and potentially-effective topic to address again someday, since they have at least some involvement with MediaGoblin[2] [unfortunately I don't think they directly sponsor its developement, but they did allow the project to use the FSF's infrastructure to run a donation drive, which let them hire at least one full-time developer for the year], which could someday be an ideal platform from which to promote "playing freedom", once support for other-than-WEBMv1 audio is implemented (I'd LOVE to see .opus become the "default" output format for this, given opus' insanely great versatility and sound-quality, not to mention [in my opinion] the superiority of vorbiscomment metadata to the obscene collection of mostly-video-centric pigeonholes that is WebM's metadata
tag format[3].)

This is one campaign that I could really get into, if the FSF ever decides it's a worthwhile topic again. Is anyone from the FSF still reading this mailing list? What would it take to actually get "playfreedom" kicked off for

Not sure about anyone "from the FSF" currently, but a significant other of someone "from the FSF" of the past is (and is still active in the community).

The FSF doesn't have that many employees and is involved in too many things already. While I agree that it would be nice to "do something" I think we probably need more volunteers taking action on stuff like this.

Where I think the resources really need to be focused is on hardware-related projects. Right now there are many uphill battles we're losing. While it might seem like we are further along the reality is we can't even begin to avoid non-free software because the reality is our core devices are dependent on them. Just to boot we need non-free bootloaders as an example and a proprietary BIOS among other pieces. What might be possible to reverse engineer seven year old tech is not going to be possible with newer tech for a variety of reasons.

Even the wifi is becoming a problem as companies add firmware components that they won't release source code for and integrate chips rather than have them be of slot loading form factor. 802.11n chips are not available on cards that go into a newer PCIe form factor slot called M2 I believe. Then you have the lack of card slots altogether on newer devices. They are integrating wifi on everything from chromebooks and mini-desktops to tablets and cell phones- and its never free.



[3] (?Audio Metadata in Ogg, MP3, and
others? (retrieved 2015-02-24)


playogg-discuss mailing list

End of playogg-discuss Digest, Vol 21, Issue 2

reply via email to

[Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread]