One more thing I really hate how they made graphics commends which could not be called from macros - please don't go that way if you would like to implement it in PSPP someday :)
W dniu czwartek, 26 lipca 2018 Ben Pfaff <
address@hidden> napisał(a):
MULT RESPONSE might also benefit from the work I'm doing. I've looked
at MULT RESPONSE before, and one of the things that kept me from
implementing it is the output complexity. CROSSTABS also has very
complex output routines, to the extent the complexity of the output
comes close to overshadowing the complexity of the data analysis. MULT
RESPONSE is worse.
But most of the complexity comes from how PSPP internally has no
systematic approach to displaying data as tables. (It does have decent
support for rendering tables into different formats, but not for
converting data into tables to be rendered.) The SPV format actually
points a good way forward on this point, so when the appropriate amount
of work is done, it should allow CROSSTABS to be nicer internally and
then a reasonable MULT RESPONSE implementation too.
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 09:56:17AM +0200, Michał Dubrawski wrote:
> Hi Ben,
>
> it is great to hear that you are working with spv output. I know that they
> were changing it from version to version so it seem like quite a challenge,
> but based on what challenges you have faced before when making PSPP
> compatible to SPSS I'm sure you will handle it :)
>
> CTABLES or Tables in the future will be very useful but I think that what
> would be most important for students, social sicentists, psychologists,
> market researchers or virtualy anyone who analyse any survey results would
> be the possibility to display mrsets in one table, which could be done in
> SPSS with MULT RESPONSE command. Without it PSPP wouldn't be an option to
> display survey results because almost all surveys have multi response
> questions. The only free alternative would be some packages in R which are
> not as accessible (easy to use) as PSPP.
>
> Any way to display MRSETS in the PSPP output would be very valuable for a
> lot of people even if it would be a cross tabs extension allowing the usage
> of mrsets in it or something like that. When people graduate from
> psychology, sociology, social science or pedagogics departments they have
> knowledge how to build a surveys - there are a lot of tools that allow them
> to collect data via online surveys, but when it comes to displaying the
> results in tables for the reports they all have a software problem because
> many non-profits and startups cannot afford SPSS + Custom Tables licenses,
> and from my experience that is exactly the software they know how to use
> because of their Universities.
>
> That said, thanks again to Ben and all the developers and all other people
> involved with PSPP project - you have done tremendous work so far.
>
> Michał Dubrawski,
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 08:48:33 -0700
> > From: Ben Pfaff <address@hidden>
> > To: Alan Mead <address@hidden>
> > Cc: "address@hidden" <address@hidden>
> > Subject:
> >
> > Re: PSPP CTABLES
> > Message-ID: <address@hidden>
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> > I think it's likely that I'll change PSPP to use the same output model.
> > One reason that it differed until now is simply that it wasn't clear to
> > me how SPSS really modeled output. The documentation on it is pretty
> > muddy.
> >
> > I've now got code that reads and understands most .spv files just fine.
> > I'm still working on reading the oldest kind of .spv files, which use a
> > really funny way to encode tables.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:32:11AM -0500, Alan Mead wrote:
> > > FWIW, I'm excited that you're working on reading SPV format. I had
> > > assumed that the implicit output model might preclude compatibility.
> > >
> > > -Alan
> > >
> > > On 7/24/2018 4:30 PM, Ben Pfaff wrote:
> > > > There might be some small hope here because I've been spending a lot of
> > > > time lately working to make PSPP understand SPSS's .spv output file
> > > > format, so that it can read (and write?) it directly. Implicit in that
> > > > format is an understanding of the SPSS output model, which seems to be
> > > > entangled quite a bit with the CTABLES syntax. It might therefore lead
> > > > someday to CTABLES implementation (but not soon).
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 09:21:11PM +0000, Crichton, Ronald wrote:
> > > >> I asked about this a few years ago. I gather it would be difficult.
> > Mind you, I used TABLES in SPSS in about 1990 and got to quite like it and
> > used it a lot. So, here we are in 2018 and I use CTABLES in SPSS, and can?t
> > get the hang of it, at least not much more than the basic usage of it.
> > Can?t stand it. I long for the old TABLES function. Not available in SPSS.
> > So, here?s the thing: perhaps PSPP should develop its own version of TABLES
> > with just the basics, without trying to emulate SPSS because they have
> > stuffed up something that used to be quite good.
> > > >>
> > > >> From: Pspp-users [mailto:pspp-users-bounces+ronald.crichton=
> > address@hidden] On Behalf Of Jakub ?krob?nek
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2018 6:29 PM
> > > >> To: address@hidden
> > > >> Subject: PSPP CTABLES
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi, I would like to ask if there is any progression in CTABLES
> > implementation to PSPP. I read some threads (http://pspp-users.gnu.
> > narkive.com/r32JwdwI/what-features-of-custom-tables-
> > ctables-are-most-important) but they seems dead. Any suggestion?
> > > >> Kind regards
> > > >>
> > > >> Jacob
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