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Re: [Qemu-devel] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt
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Daniel P. Berrange |
Subject: |
Re: [Qemu-devel] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt |
Date: |
Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:25:37 +0000 |
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On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 02:25:00PM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've mentioned this to a few folks already but I wanted to start a
> proper thread.
>
> We're struggling in qemu with usability and one area that concerns me is
> the disparity in features that are supported by qemu vs what's
> implemented in libvirt.
>
> This isn't necessarily libvirt's problem if it's mission is to provide a
> common hypervisor API that covers the most commonly used features.
>
> However, for qemu, we need an API that covers all of our features that
> people can develop against. The ultimate question we need to figure out
> is, should we encourage our users to always use libvirt or should we
> build our own API for people (and libvirt) to consume.
>
> I don't think it's necessarily a big technical challenge for libvirt to
> support qemu more completely. I think it amounts to introducing a
> series of virQemuXXXX APIs that implement qemu specific functions. Over
> time, qemu specific APIs can be deprecated in favour of more generic
> virDomain APIs.
The second thing I forgot to mention in my previous reply, is that we also
need to get a much better idea of just which QEMU features missing in libvirt.
Even if we provide a generic mechansim for setting QEMU specific features,
we still need visibility into what needs to be added to the main generic
libvirt XML / API format. I think the qdev & QMP work will be very
useful in this respect, since both are pretty much self-describing. All that
is missing from QEMU is a way to query/extra the qdev/QMP metadata from the
QEMU binary in an automated fashion. eg, '-device qdev' can list all devices,
but following on from that we need to query the properties known against each
device type. I think it'd also be desirable to have a machine readable '-help'
output format, so we can more reliably detect what args are available, since
even with qdev + -device, we're still adding more command line args to QEMU
over time like -netdev, -blockdev, etc.
If we can easily get these details of qdev properties, QMP commands/args and
ARGV from QEMU, then we can reliably identify just what is missing from
libvirt & use that to guide development of generic APIs for the missing
features.
Regards,
Daniel
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- [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, (continued)
- [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Anthony Liguori, 2010/03/22
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Alexander Graf, 2010/03/23
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Jamie Lokier, 2010/03/23
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Anthony Liguori, 2010/03/23
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Markus Armbruster, 2010/03/24
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Paul Brook, 2010/03/24
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Anthony Liguori, 2010/03/24
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Jamie Lokier, 2010/03/24
- [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Daniel P. Berrange, 2010/03/23
- [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Daniel P. Berrange, 2010/03/24
Re: [Qemu-devel] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt,
Daniel P. Berrange <=
[Qemu-devel] Re: Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Juan Quintela, 2010/03/23
Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Jamie Lokier, 2010/03/23
Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Gerd Hoffmann, 2010/03/24
Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Cole Robinson, 2010/03/24
Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Gerd Hoffmann, 2010/03/24
Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Jamie Lokier, 2010/03/23