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Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in li
From: |
Luiz Capitulino |
Subject: |
Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt |
Date: |
Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:33:05 -0300 |
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:54:09 +0100
Alexander Graf <address@hidden> wrote:
>
> On 24.03.2010, at 21:32, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>
> > On 03/24/2010 03:12 PM, Luiz Capitulino wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:49:45 +0200
> >> Avi Kivity<address@hidden> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 03/24/2010 06:42 PM, Luiz Capitulino wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:42:16 +0200
> >>>> Avi Kivity<address@hidden> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> So, at best qemud is a toy for people who are annoyed by libvirt.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Is the reason for doing this in qemu because libvirt is annoying?
> >>>>
> >>> Mostly.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I don't see
> >>>> how adding yet another layer/daemon is going to improve ours and user's
> >>>> life
> >>>> (the same applies for libqemu).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> libvirt becomes optional.
> >>>
> >> I think it should only be optional if all you want is to run a single VM
> >> in this case what seems to be missing on our side is a _real_ GUI, bundled
> >> with QEMU potentially written in a high-level language.
> >>
> >
> > That's a separate problem.
> >
> >> Then we make virt-manager optional and this is good because we can sync
> >> features way faster and we don't have to care about _managing_ several
> >> VMs, our world in terms of usability and maintainability is about one VM.
> >>
> >> IMVHO, everything else should be done by third-party tools like libvirt,
> >> we just provide the means for it.
> >>
> >
> > We need to have a common management interface for third party tools.
> > libvirt cannot be that today because of the fact that it doesn't support
> > all of our features. What we need to figure out is how we can work with
> > the libvirt team to fix this.
>
> The feature problem isn't the only one. It's also about ease of use. I
> personally find the qemu command line easier to use than anything
> libvirt-derived.
Because your a developer and it does make sense to have a good CLI,
on the other hand we also have use cases for a GUI bundled in QEMU
and libvirt-derived things, which know how to deal with several
VMs and integrates well with lots of other things.
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, (continued)
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Anthony Liguori, 2010/03/24
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Avi Kivity, 2010/03/24
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Anthony Liguori, 2010/03/24
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Avi Kivity, 2010/03/24
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Jamie Lokier, 2010/03/24
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Luiz Capitulino, 2010/03/24
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Avi Kivity, 2010/03/24
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Luiz Capitulino, 2010/03/24
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Anthony Liguori, 2010/03/24
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Alexander Graf, 2010/03/24
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt,
Luiz Capitulino <=
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Alexander Graf, 2010/03/25
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Luiz Capitulino, 2010/03/24
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Anthony Liguori, 2010/03/24
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Vincent Hanquez, 2010/03/25
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Avi Kivity, 2010/03/25
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Anthony Liguori, 2010/03/25
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Avi Kivity, 2010/03/25
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Anthony Liguori, 2010/03/25
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Avi Kivity, 2010/03/25
- Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt, Anthony Liguori, 2010/03/25