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Re: [Qemu-devel] updated: kvm networking todo wiki

From: Anthony Liguori
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] updated: kvm networking todo wiki
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 09:41:07 -0500
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"Michael S. Tsirkin" <address@hidden> writes:

> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 08:40:47AM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> Stefan Hajnoczi <address@hidden> writes:
>> > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Rusty Russell <address@hidden> wrote:
>> >> Anthony Liguori <address@hidden> writes:
>> >>> Rusty Russell <address@hidden> writes:
>> >>>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 08:47:58AM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> >>>>> FWIW, I think what's more interesting is using vhost-net as a 
>> >>>>> networking
>> >>>>> backend with virtio-net in QEMU being what's guest facing.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> In theory, this gives you the best of both worlds: QEMU acts as a first
>> >>>>> line of defense against a malicious guest while still getting the
>> >>>>> performance advantages of vhost-net (zero-copy).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> It would be an interesting idea if we didn't already have the vhost
>> >>>> model where we don't need the userspace bounce.
>> >>>
>> >>> The model is very interesting for QEMU because then we can use vhost as
>> >>> a backend for other types of network adapters (like vmxnet3 or even
>> >>> e1000).
>> >>>
>> >>> It also helps for things like fault tolerance where we need to be able
>> >>> to control packet flow within QEMU.
>> >>
>> >> (CC's reduced, context added, Dmitry Fleytman added for vmxnet3 thoughts).
>> >>
>> >> Then I'm really confused as to what this would look like.  A zero copy
>> >> sendmsg?  We should be able to implement that today.
>> >>
>> >> On the receive side, what can we do better than readv?  If we need to
>> >> return to userspace to tell the guest that we've got a new packet, we
>> >> don't win on latency.  We might reduce syscall overhead with a
>> >> multi-dimensional readv to read multiple packets at once?
>> >
>> > Sounds like recvmmsg(2).
>> Could we map this to mergable rx buffers though?
>> Regards,
>> Anthony Liguori
> Yes because we don't have to complete buffers in order.

What I meant though was for GRO, we don't know how large the received
packet is going to be.  Mergable rx buffers lets us allocate a pool of
data for all incoming packets instead of allocating max packet size *
max packets.

recvmmsg expects an array of msghdrs and I presume each needs to be
given a fixed size.  So this seems incompatible with mergable rx


Anthony Liguori

>> >
>> > Stefan

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