Re: [Qemu-devel] [PULL for-2.4 0/7] update ipxe roms, fix efi support

[Stefan Hajnoczi]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:08 PM, Laszlo Ersek <address@hidden> wrote:
> On 07/22/15 13:42, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Laszlo Ersek <address@hidden> wrote:
>>> On 07/22/15 11:05, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:58:59AM +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
>>>>> On 07/21/15 18:10, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Paolo Bonzini <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21/07/2015 16:25, Peter Maydell wrote:
>>>>>> or work
>>>>>> with others to add upstream maintainers.
>>>>>
>>>>> When we can't get the maintainer's attention for our patches, and when
>>>>> the maintainer tends to rewrite even those patches he more or less
>>>>> likes, how do you propose we convince him to give *push access* to
>>>>> random people?
>>>>>
>>>>>> I see that Hannes Reinecke
>>>>>> also has patches on ipxe-devel that look ignored, so Gred and Laszlo
>>>>>> are not the only ones struggling to get patches upstream into ipxe.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've said it several times (on other lists too), and I'll say it again:
>>>>> ipxe is not an "open process" community project at this point. The last
>>>>> half year, as Paolo indicated, and as I proved above, has been ample
>>>>> experience.
>>>>
>>>> I understand the frustration with upstream.  Thanks for posting a
>>>> summary of stranded patch series, it helped explain that.
>>>>
>>>> The reason I'm suggesting reaching out to Michael Brown is that the
>>>> downstream repo will only be an "open process" for us virtualization
>>>> developers.  It won't have a user community, support, or help improve
>>>> the situation for non-virtualization developers - all things which
>>>> matter for a healthy long-term open source project.
>>>
>>> All the things upstream ipxe has been lacking for at least half a year
>>> now, without much indication that it could improve.
>>>
>>>> It may be simplest if Gerd maintains a QEMU downstream repository.  I'm
>>>> not against that.  But let's notify Michael Brown so he has a chance to
>>>> consider the problem.
>>>
>>> If you can reach out to Michael Brown, that would be highly appreciated.
>>> Personally I lost all hope.
>>
>> Done.
>
> Thanks. Looks like you got through. Obviously, that cannot be ascribed
> to anything else than blind luck, or a personal relationship from the
> past. Ie. things that should not matter in open source.

Maybe a bit of both.

I sent a link to the email thread via IRC.

Stefan