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Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 1/1] s390x/css: unresrict cssids

From: Christian Borntraeger
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 1/1] s390x/css: unresrict cssids
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 19:10:15 +0100
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On 11/21/2017 05:06 PM, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:45:17 +0100
> Christian Borntraeger <address@hidden> wrote:
>> On 11/21/2017 02:44 PM, Cornelia Huck wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:18:25 +0100
>>> Halil Pasic <address@hidden> wrote:
>>> Subject: s/unresrict/unrestrict/
>>>> The default css 0xFE is currently restricted to virtual subchannel
>>>> devices. The hope when the decision was made was, that non-virtual
>>>> subchannel devices will come around when guest can exploit multiple
>>>> channel subsystems. Since the guests generally don't do, the pain
>>>> of the partitioned (cssid) namespace outweighs the gain.
>>>> Let us remove the corresponding restrictions (virtual devices
>>>> can be put only in 0xFE and non-virtual devices in any css except
>>>> the 0xFE), and inform management software property on all ccw
>>>> devices.  
>>> I do not really like dropping the restrictions while still keeping the
>>> default cssid as 0xfe. Putting virtual devices into css 0 seems
>>> completely fine, but putting non-virtual devices into css 0xfe still
>>> feels a bit wrong. What about:
>>> - Add a property to specify the default cssid. Compat machines use a
>>>   default cssid of 0xfe.
>>> - Default to a cssid of 0.
>>> - (optional) Warn when putting a non-virtual device into css 0xfe,
>>>   unless it is the default css.  
>> To make it more clear, I think the most compatible solution would be to allow
>> vfio-ccw also in FE. (But continue to force virtual devices in FE as well).
>> This was more or less the first proposal that we had. Then we asked ourselves
>> why not also allow virtual devices in 0?
>> I think your proposal of specifying a default css (and then allowing
>> all devices in that) is actually pretty close to Halils proposal. The only
>> difference is that Halils variant keeps fe as default css. 
>> So I think we could even combine both approaches. Use Halils patch as a base
>> and in addition provide a way to change the default css away from fe. Have to
>> think about that.
> If keeping the default of 0xfe makes the life of management software
> easier, sure. As it is, we seem to be far more entrenched with
> paravirtual devices than I had expected when I first wrote this, so
> 0xfe might be the sensible choice even if mcss-e is available in the
> future. In this case, I think we should lift all cssid restrictions.

So basically agree with the restriction lifting, but you want to have a
different method of telling libvirt about it?
>>> This allows building a commandline in a compat machine that will not
>>> work with old qemus, no?  
>> I think this is pretty common to have new devices and things that will not
>> work on old QEMUs but are allowed on compat machines, e.g. virtio-gpu was
>> added in 2.4 but
>> address@hidden qemu]$ build/i386-softmmu/qemu-system-i386 -device 
>> virtio-gpu-pci -M pc-i440fx-2.2
>> VNC server running on ::1:5900
>> works fine
> It seems a bit more unexpected, though.

What I understood from the CPU model discussion is, that the machine version 
basically sets the migration
stream format and any "invisible" setting that the user cannot influence. But 
it is not there to the fence
the user from specifying new devices or new CPU types (that the old QEMU does 
not know) or different 
command lines. You get a compatible machine if you specify an identical command 
line that will work for
> (And I'm still not quite sure how all of this interacts with the squash
> option.)

I think we should deprecate the squash option and not use it to simplify things.

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