Re: [RFC PATCH 02/11] hw/ide: Add PCIIDEState::isa_bus link

[Stefan Hajnoczi]

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 02:46:47AM +0200, BALATON Zoltan wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2021, John Snow wrote:
> > On 5/18/21 7:05 PM, BALATON Zoltan wrote:
> > > On Tue, 18 May 2021, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote:
> > > > IDE bus depends on ISA bus for IRQ/DMA.
> > > > 
> > > > Add an ISABus reference in PCIIDEState, and add link properties
> > > > to it in the PIIX and VIA objects (which inherit PCI_IDE).
> > > > 
> > > > Signed-off-by: Philippe Mathieu-Daudé <philmd@redhat.com>
> > > > ---
> > > > include/hw/ide/pci.h |  1 +
> > > > hw/ide/piix.c        | 11 ++++++++++-
> > > > hw/ide/via.c         | 10 +++++++++-
> > > > 3 files changed, 20 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > > 
> > > > diff --git a/include/hw/ide/pci.h b/include/hw/ide/pci.h
> > > > index d8384e1c422..e790722ed14 100644
> > > > --- a/include/hw/ide/pci.h
> > > > +++ b/include/hw/ide/pci.h
> > > > @@ -47,6 +47,7 @@ struct PCIIDEState {
> > > >     PCIDevice parent_obj;
> > > >     /*< public >*/
> > > > 
> > > > +    ISABus *isa_bus;
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure that this belongs here. Previously we managed to remove
> > > device specific fields from this structure so it's now really just
> > > holds stuff related to PCI IDE (except the remaining "secondary"
> > > field specific to CMD646). PCI IDE normaly has nothing to do with
> > > ISA except for those south bridges that have IDE with legacy mode.
> > > So this ISABus reference should be in those south bridges instead.
> > > But that may need a
> > 
> > by "those south bridges" I assume you are referring to the integrated
> > PIIX and VIA controller implementations.
> 
> Yes, those are that also have an ISA bridge so the IDE in those can use
> either ISA or PCI IRQs but we probably only emulate one mode. At least
> that's the case for via-ide which we have gone into great detail before and
> concluded we can't cleanly switch between legacy ISA or PCI mode and the
> pegasos2 needs hard coded ISA interrupts even when in PCI mode so we only
> emulate that.
> 
> Apart from that this PCI IDE is also used by CMD646 and sii3112 that are
> pure PCI IDE devices without any ISA dependency so that's why I think we
> should not need this ISABus here to keep this implementing PCI IDE and only
> keep ISA in the south bridge models.
> 
> > > new subclass just for this so putting it here is just avoiding
> > > boilerplate of declaring new subclasses in piix and via-ide. I can
> > > sympathise with that but I'd still prefer to keep it off here but I
> > > wonder if there's a way to do that without subclassing and storing
> > > an ISABus ref? If I understand correctly this ISABus ref is just
> > > needed to get appropriate ISA irqs. But could we just store a ref to
> > > those irqs
> > 
> > It looks like it's just the IRQs, yeah.
> > 
> > > directly so we don't need to keep the ref to the ISA bus? There's
> > 
> > I think the idea actually is to formalize the dependency of these models
> > on the ISA bus instead of hacking / faking one. I think we DO want the
> > dependency.
> 
> Right, but only piix and via depend on ISA so the dependency should be in
> those not in PCI IDE in my opinion. But I don't mind too much so if it would
> be too difficult to put it elsewhere I don't mind introducing this ISABus
> field but we should at least look if it could be avoided first.
> 
> > > already a qemu_irq in BMDMAState but I'm not sure how those are set
> > > and if you could store an isa irq there to simplify this. I don't
> > > know the details and could not detangle it by a brief look so not
> > > sure it can be done but conceptually it feels better to keep PCI IDE
> > > separate from ISA and let it raise either PCI irq or ISA irq as
> > > needed. For that a ref to the irq should be enough and that can
> > > either come from a PCI bus (which is normaly expected for PCI IDE)
> > > or an ISA bridge for legacy modes. Hope it makes sense and you get
> > > what I'm trying to say. (Longer term we may want to make it
> > > changeable also after the device is created to allow switching
> > > between legacy and PCI mode but so far we could get away without
> > > emulating that so it's not a requirement just something to consider
> > > when you're changing this. The real problem that prevents switching
> > > modes is not irq I think but ioports and that ISA devices are not
> > > configurable after creating them but that would need QOM'ifying ISA
> > > emulation which probably does not worth the effort unless we come
> > > across some guest that needs this.)
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > BALATON Zoltan
> > > 
> > 
> > I assume the idea here is that PCIIDE does not technically need "ISA" to
> > provide ioport access to the ATA drives, so taxonomically it's odd for
> > the generic/abstract PCIIDE device to require an ISA bus.
> > 
> > Am I understanding correctly?
> 
> I'm not sure I understand all of the IDE emulation but in my view PCI IDE
> should be independent of ISA so instead of adding a reference to an ISA bus
> to PCIIDEState maybe it's enough to set the irqs used by PCI IDE to the
> appropriate irq to raise which could be an ISA interrupt for the south
> bridges in legacy mode or a PCI irq for PCI cards and that way we don't need
> a dependency on ISABus in PCI IDE. But I'm not sure how IDE interrupts are
> set so don't know if that would work so it's just an idea to avoid
> introducing ISA into PCI IDE where it does not seem to belong.
> 
> A simpler way keeping the current code may be to subclass PCI IDE in piix
> and via and put the ISABus ref in those subclasses but that's more boiler
> plate and the result may not be simpler so while conceptually may be cleaner
> the code may be longer and harder to understand that way. So cleaning up the
> interrupt handling could make it simpler and also avoid the subclasses but
> that needs more work to detangle how IDE interrupts are emulated and add
> some clean way to set them if that's not yet available. But I don't
> completely understand what the qemu_irqs are in BMDMAState and if those
> could be connected to an ISA interrupt or some more changes would be needed.

I realized I don't really understand how ISA IDE and PCI IDE interact in
PIIX3:

- ISA IDE has well-known PIO registers that are always present?

- PCI IDE has the same registers, but the BAR must be mapped and PCI IO
  space access must be enabled?

- ISA IDE has a hardcoded ISA irq number?

- PCI IDE has a normal PCI irq that is routed like any legacy PCI INTx
  irq?

- What combinations of ISA enabled/disabled and PCI enabled/disabled
  need to be supported?

Stefan

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