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Re: [Qemu-discuss] [Qemu-devel] Estimation of qcow2 image size converted

From: John Snow
Subject: Re: [Qemu-discuss] [Qemu-devel] Estimation of qcow2 image size converted from raw image
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:26:44 -0500
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On 02/13/2017 12:16 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 12:03:35PM -0500, John Snow wrote:
>> Also keep in mind that changing the cluster size will give you different
>> answers, too -- but that different cluster sizes will effect the runtime
>> performance of the image as well.
> This means that apps trying to figure out this future usage have to
> understand fine internal impl details of qcow2 to correctly calculate
> it.

Well, as long as they just want an *estimate* ...

Plus, the spec for qcow2 is open source! :) What internal details? O:-)

>>> We think that the best way to solve this issue is to return this info
>>> from qemu-img, maybe as a flag to qemu-img convert that will
>>> calculate the size of the converted image without doing any writes.
>> Might not be too hard to add, but it wouldn't necessarily be any more
>> accurate than if you implemented the same logic, I think.
>> Still, it'd be up to us to keep it up to date, but I don't know what
>> guarantees we could provide about the accuracy of the estimate or
>> preventing it from bitrot if there are format changes..
> As opposed to every application trying to implement the logic
> themselves...it'll likely bitrot even worse in 3rd party apps
> as their maintainers won't notice format changes until they
> see a bug report.  Likewise, app developers aren't in a much
> better position wrt to accracy - if anything they'll do a worse
> job at calculating it since they might miss subtable nuances of
> the qcow2 format that qemu developers would more likely get right.

Sure, just cautioning against the idea that we'll be able to provide
anything better than an *estimate*, for all the same reasons it would be
difficult for anyone else to provide anything better than an educated guess.

Was not seriously campaigning against us adding it -- just offering a
pathway to not have to wait for us to do it, since ours likely won't be
much more accurate or stable in any meaningful sense.


> This isn't just a problem wrt to the usage scenario mentioned in
> this thread. For active VMs, consider you want to determine whether
> you are at risk of overcommitting the filesystem or not. You cannot
> simply sum up the image capacity - you need to know the largest
> size that the qcow2 file is going to grow to in future[1] - this
> again requires the app to calculate overhead of qcow2 metdata to
> understand what they've committed to providing in terms of storage
> Regards,
> Daniel
> [1] There is no upper limit if internal snapshots are usedm but if
>     we assume use of external snapshots, we should be able to
>     calculate the file size commitment.

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