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[Savannah-hackers-public] Re: [gnu.org #323176] [Savannah] PEAR's QuickF
[Savannah-hackers-public] Re: [gnu.org #323176] [Savannah] PEAR's QuickForm and the PHP license
Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:53:18 +0100
Hello licensing team,
Do you have some backlog on your side at the moment?
The discussion is apparently coming to a close, your point on the
matter would be appreciated. Justin Patrin also sent you mail on this
On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 10:56:26AM +0100, Sylvain Beucler wrote:
> I initiated a discussion with the PHP and PEAR group:
> Nobody is sure about whether the latest PHP license is compatible with
> the GNU GPL, in fact.
> - Could you precise whether the PHP license v3.0_1_ is compatible with
> GPLv2? There's only comments about compatibility with v3.0 (not
> 3.01). I attach a diff. I think those changes were made to make the
> license applicable to works that are not PHP itself but also
> released by the PHP Group, following a request by the Debian-legal
> - More importantly, is the PHP license v3.01 compatible with
> The comment at the end of
> http://gplv3.fsf.org/wiki/index.php/PHP_license%2C_version_3.01 makes
> me thing there's no compatibility:
> "However, the second draft of the GPLv3 prohibits the following additional
> requirements regarding changes to the name of the work
> which conflicts with the PHP license's prohibition on using "PHP" as a name
> for the work."
> This affects the way we approve GNU GPL'd project using PEAR packages
> at Savannah, so I'd like to be sure about it. Can you check?
> On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 09:27:04PM +0100, Sylvain Beucler wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I'd like to include the QuickForm package/library  in my GPL'd
> > application. It is licensed under the PHP license and is Copyright (c)
> > 1997-2003 The PHP Group.
> > As the license is not compatible with GNU GPLv2, I'd like to make the
> > QuickForm people switch their license. I already contacted them but
> > they do not seem much informed about the situation. I know I could
> > wait for GPLv3 but I need this library for a developpement right now -
> > so I'm willing to spent a little time on a license change :)
> > Maybe I could add a GPL exception to my program in order to legally
> > use it, but I also use other GPL'd pieces of code that I don't own, so
> > this is probably not an option.
> > I have 2 questions:
> > - Did you already have to deal with the PHP license and PEAR packages?
> > Do you have any advice/experience about this? This issue is not new.
> > - Do you know whether the 'PHP Group' is a legal entity? I asked the
> > QuickForm authors whether they signed a copyright paper - they
> > didn't reply yet. I could not find a way to contact this 'PHP Group'
> > either. I wonder whether the 'PHP Group' is really the copyright
> > holder of QuickForm, or if the copyright notice is just part of a
> > PEAR policy, without legal basis - in which case each contributor
> > would be a co-owner, and a license change would be quite difficult,
> > Thanks in advance,
> >  http://pear.php.net/package/HTML_QuickForm
> >  http://www.php.net/license/2_02.txt
> > 
> > http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/pear/HTML_QuickForm/QuickForm.php?revision=1.162&view=markup
> > --
> > Sylvain
> --- 3_0.txt 2006-12-14 09:40:41.000000000 +0100
> +++ 3_01.txt 2006-12-14 09:40:49.000000000 +0100
> @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
> - The PHP License, version 3.0
> + The PHP License, version 3.01
> Copyright (c) 1999 - 2006 The PHP Group. All rights reserved.
> @@ -38,8 +38,8 @@
> 6. Redistributions of any form whatsoever must retain the following
> - "This product includes PHP, freely available from
> - <http://www.php.net/>".
> + "This product includes PHP software, freely available from
> + <http://www.php.net/software/>".
> THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE PHP DEVELOPMENT TEAM ``AS IS'' AND
> ANY EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO,
> @@ -64,5 +64,5 @@
> For more information on the PHP Group and the PHP project,
> please see <http://www.php.net>.
> -This product includes the Zend Engine, freely available at
> +PHP includes the Zend Engine, freely available at