Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Possibly inappropriate usage of project elisp-es by <SuSo>

[Sylvain Beucler]

Hi,

Technically the only concern as far as Savannah is concerned, strictly
speaking, is the absence of source code of the GFDL'd HTML manual, and
the link to such HTML manual.  I suppose that the manual is
copyrighted by FSF, so you may want to talk with the FSF legal team to
enforce the GFDL, if you can't find an agreement with SuSo.

Whether to keep SuSo as a project member is for the project admins to
decide.

That's MHO :)


"I disagree with what you have to say but will fight to the death to
protect your right to say it." (Voltaire, 1694-1778, writer,
philosopher)" — Voltaire

SuSo if free to express what he wants on Savannah, as long as he
doesn't imply Savannah promotes "open source", and doesn't
misrepresent "Linux" as a whole operating system rather than a kernel
:P

- Sylvain

On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 02:18:03PM -0600, Mario Castelan Castro wrote:
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> 2010-11-01 in address@hidden copy to David Vázquez
> <address@hidden>, Antonio Barrones <address@hidden> thread
> "Possibly inappropriate usage of project elisp-es by <SuSo>".
> 
> Hello.
> 
> I have been informed and I have checked myself that user SuSo (susomc in
> GNU Savannah) is using the elisp-es project hosted here [1] to advertise
> his translation of GNU emacs documentation.  However, he don't cooperate
> with the other members of the elisp-es project by arguing (In spanish
> language) it's impossible to meet the required "industrial" standards
> and requirements with the conventional free software development
> process, as used in GNU Savannah [2].  Apart from untrue as proven by
> hundreds of free projects this is _also_ a fallacy, by implying there is
> only one development methodology in the free software
> "mundillo"/"worldish" which we're forced to follow.
> 
> The translated documentation has been actually published outside GNU
> Savannah in [2], in HTML format.  The source (In texinfo format) hasn't
> been published as of this date, even after request by David and Antonio
> (Members of the elisp-es project, they are on the CC list).
> 
> This behavior is inaceptable, don't just the SuSo statements spurn the
> value of the conventional free software development methodology, but the
> denial of source code difficults very much the essential right to modify
> the work.  Basically SuSo is using GNU Savannah as a news aggregator and
> advertising platform to promote his sourceless translation.
> 
> Please correct me if I'm wrong.  I think this is a violation of the GNU
> Savannah hosting requirements [3] because:
> 
> * GNU Savannah is a free software and documentation development
>   platform.  SuSo don't develop his translation in GNU Savannah, merely
>   links to an external site.
> 
> * The absence of source code impose an obstacle to the freedom to modify
>   it.  Savannah is meant to be used in a way which promotes free
>   software and free documentation and hence the user freedoms.  To deny
>   the source code do the opposite.
> 
> I'm going to ask SuSo to reflect about the issue and reconsider his
> stance.  I consider inmoral -and hope you agree- the fact SuSo spurn our
> community and deny us the source code on one hand, and on the another he
> is using Savannah to promote that.
> 
> Let me know your thoughts.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> [1]: https://savannah.nongnu.org/p/elisp-es
> [2]: http://gnu.manticore.es/manual-introduccion-emacs-lisp
> [3]: https://savannah.gnu.org/register/requirements.php
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