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## [PATCH 1/3] spd-conf revised to reflect the current state

 From: Trevor Saunders Subject: [PATCH 1/3] spd-conf revised to reflect the current state Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:36:09 -0400

Hi,

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 07:14:11AM +0200, Jan Buchal wrote:
> >>>>> "TS" == Trevor Saunders <trev.saunders at gmail.com> writes:
>
>     TS> Hi,
>     AK> Another question I have... what about an instant messaging
>     AK> additional to the speechd list? A while ago Rui has suggested to
>     AK> use IRC for it, even planning to set up a channel. Have you
>     AK> something settled up?
>     >> Hello,
>     >>
>     >> we have own wiking communicator which offer chat, audio and
>     >> video. We believe that can be useful for our communication too.
>     >> It was developed for another project and has be accessible for
>     >> blind. For us will be very welcome if the people will use it and
>     >> help us with its improvement.
>
>     TS> oh, please, not *another* communications tool the \infty we
> No. I believe that you do not know our system and the exact motivation,
> so please check it before. The main reason is that our system is embedded
> in to web page and the users do not need another applications. Sure that
> exist many similar application but the question is why. Yes sometime can
> be duplicate work but sometime can have  good reasons. We have our
> application developed already and we will offer to another for a using.
> What the people will use is of course their decision.

you realize its rather hard to do that when the only
documentation seems to be a git log right?  which basically tells me its
a web app that uses flash, so I'm even more enthused that this is a
good thing.  Really, flash is just terrible, and putting it in a web
browser doesn't mean its not an app it just means that it lives in the
web browser.

I think most users already have some sort of chat client open, so using
some special thing instead of commonly used existing tools actually
means another app instead of reuse.

yes, there are sometimes good reasons to create something that seems like
something else may already have solved that problem, but a good gues is
that there isn't a good reason, and I can't find any documentation to
show what exactly this thing does much less why any of the other similar
things don't solve this problem, so why exactly should I believe it does
solve a new problem?  I'm happy to read documentation showing what new
problem you are solving but that doesn't seem to exist.

> Thanks for understanding
>
>     TS> just use irc or if you want it for something one of the existing
>     TS> voip solutions, they already solved this problem, and /work/ and
>     TS> /don't/ need to be improved, which is a way to spend my time
>     TS> that I have no interest in.
>
> Thanks. In this case is not our offer for you and you can use what you
> want.
>
>     >> Of course we understand that someone can have another preferences
>     >> but if you will be patient then it can bring better environment
>     >> for more others.
>
>     TS> We already have all the tools we need, why should we wait for
>     TS> another one when we can just use an existing one. There are
>     TS> plenty of interesting problems to work on, but communications
>     TS> apps aren't one of them. Using another tool for this will just
>     TS> be another app to deal with which is a pain and doesn't help
>     TS> anything.
> I think that you need more information before you will decide what is
> good and what is wrong. Quick decision can bring sometime a big damage.

well, where is this other information?  For example a description of the
problem you are solving and why the n other things out there each can't
do this.  Why people should deal with things like flash?

The problem I'm trying to solve here is that it is useful to talk to
other people when designing things, irc has clearly shown that it solves
this problem, I mean there are n projects that successfully use it for
this, and I've participated and watched some of them do it.
The other problem I want to solve is have a way to more interactively
help users fix problems, irc has shown it solves this problem two, from
knowledge of all the other projects out there using it for this, and
from getting help from project irc channels.

So what other problem would a project want to solve?  and why can't
anything else solve it?

Trev

>
>
>     TS> best Trev
>
> Have a nice day
>
>
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