[www-it-traduzioni] Fwd: Re: Updates to license-list.en.html

[Andrea Pescetti]

Giro alla lista il riassunto inviato da Jan Owoc a RMS e la risposta di 
RMS che vi ho gia' copiato e incollato. Non riguardano strettamente la 
traduzione, servono per riconsiderare eventualmente le modifiche fatte 
all'originale inglese.
Ciao,
  Andrea.

-------- Messaggio originale --------
Oggetto: Re: Updates to license-list.en.html
Data: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:45:18 -0600
Mittente: Jan Owoc <address@hidden>
Rispondi-a: Discussion of translation coordination issues 
<address@hidden>
A: Richard Stallman <address@hidden>
CC: Discussion of translation coordination issues 
<address@hidden>

Hi,


There is a discussion on trans-coord-discuss, and we would like some
insight. In summary:


On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Andrea Pescetti <address@hidden> wrote:
> A few days ago
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html
> was updated and many occurrences of "simple" were replaced by "lax", like
> this:
>   ---
> This is the original BSD license, modified by removal of the advertising
> clause.  It is a [-simple,-] {+lax,+} permissive non-copyleft free
> software license, compatible with the GNU GPL.
>   ---
>
> This of course impacts on the meaning, since "simple" and "lax" are quite
> different concepts, and it thus impacts on translations.
>
> To know better how to translate it, could we know:
> 1) why this change was made
> and
> 2) what difference is there between using "lax" and "permissive"? (see the
> example above: "simple, permissive" becomes "lax, permissive")


On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Jan Owoc <address@hidden> wrote:
> I don't have a US English dictionary handy, but my Canadian (should be
> very similar) one says:
> lax. not strict or severe enough.
> permissive. 1. tolerant; liberal. 2. giving permission.
>
> Simple, of course, means something completely different - it refers
> only to the amount and complexity of legal text in the license itself.
>
> I would say that "permissive" is the objective term simply meaning
> "allowing for various things", while "lax" is a subjective term
> meaning "I have an opinion that it's too permissive". In Polish, I
> would translate "lax" as "loose" (implying that the writer thinks it's
> not strict enough).


On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Therese Godefroy <address@hidden> wrote:
> I had the same question and solved it a little bit differently. The
> subjective meaning ("laxiste" in French) seemed so odd in this context
> (we are in the "license" section, not in "philosophy", there should be
> no room for subjectivity) that I fell back to the more basic meaning of
> lax: "able to twist around, taking different shapes". I finally
> translated it as "souple" because that word is rather neutral; it
> applies to muscles (opposite of tense) as well as psychology (opposite
> of rigid) or contract terms (opposite of stringent).
>
> Permissive vs lax? You can imagine a type of contract which would give
> you a whole range of permissions (permissive), but in a very narrow
> range of situations (the opposite of lax).


What was your intended meaning of "lax" when you made the change? In
your reply, please keep trans-coord-discuss in CC.


Jan


-------- Messaggio originale --------
Oggetto: Re: Updates to license-list.en.html
Data: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:02:20 -0400
Mittente: Richard Stallman <address@hidden>
Rispondi-a: address@hidden,        Discussion of translation coordination 
issues	<address@hidden>
A: Jan Owoc <address@hidden>
CC: address@hidden

The reason I made these changes is that "simple and permissive" have
positive connotations in general.

"Lax" means "not strict enough".  It has a negative connotation.
Thus, it says why these licenses are not as good as copyleft.

I don't think "souple" is a correct translation of "lax".  I think
"souple" means "capable of adjusting in shape", right?  (Please
correct me if I'm wrong.)  That is nothing like "lax".

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