From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Feb 01 00:47:23 2013 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1U19T9-00013C-LV for mharc-bino-list@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:47:23 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37522) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U19T7-000130-V2 for bino-list@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:47:22 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U19T6-0005wi-T3 for bino-list@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:47:21 -0500 Received: from v3-1141.vlinux.de ([79.140.41.141]:37117) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U19T6-0005wU-Nn for bino-list@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:47:20 -0500 Received: from daffy (dslb-178-009-253-246.pools.arcor-ip.net [178.9.253.246]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by v3-1141.vlinux.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A89A08624A for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 06:47:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 06:47:17 +0100 From: Martin Lambers To: bino-list@nongnu.org Message-ID: <20130201064717.0d424ace@daffy> In-Reply-To: <000001ce000e$64847eb0$2d8d7c10$@netcabo.pt> References: <20130124193149.2b61332b@daffy> <000001ce000e$64847eb0$2d8d7c10$@netcabo.pt> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.13; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 79.140.41.141 Subject: Re: [Bino-list] Request for help: debug subtitle problem on ATI graphics cards X-BeenThere: bino-list@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: bino-list@nongnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 05:47:22 -0000 Hi Pedro! On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:55:05 -0000, Pedro Silva Pinto wrote: > Martin, I have a i7 laptop with a ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4570, > running Win7 x64. > However, I can't download the .srt file (IIS webserver won't serve > that until the mimetype is defined; better rename the file to .txt). I attached the .srt file to the bug report. Downloading it from there should work. Regards, Martin From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Feb 01 10:21:04 2013 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1U1IQK-0002G6-5G for mharc-bino-list@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:21:04 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45085) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U1IQG-0002EN-Cj for bino-list@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:21:02 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U1IQB-0007Ut-CD for bino-list@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:21:00 -0500 Received: from mx.netcabo.pt ([212.113.174.24]:35412) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U1IQA-0007Ug-Vk for bino-list@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:20:55 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EANLaC1FRwQTT/2dsb2JhbABFvywXc4IeAQEFCAIeXQEDAgYDEQQBAQEnBxktCQgCBBMLBYduARa4bhSKGY4lgykDiDCeN4J8 Received: from bl4-4-211.dsl.telepac.pt (HELO PPINTO) ([81.193.4.211]) by neti05smtpa.hdi.tvcabo with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 01 Feb 2013 15:20:47 +0000 From: "Pedro Silva Pinto" To: References: <20130124193149.2b61332b@daffy> <000001ce000e$64847eb0$2d8d7c10$@netcabo.pt> <20130201064717.0d424ace@daffy> In-Reply-To: <20130201064717.0d424ace@daffy> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:20:48 -0000 Message-ID: <000901ce008f$b752bfe0$25f83fa0$@netcabo.pt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGAJ9zyggCFle/gQRiIyLQR9Z5ZqwLIBQL9Ahb6ftWY2dHvYA== Content-Language: pt X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 212.113.174.24 Subject: Re: [Bino-list] Request for help: debug subtitle problem on ATI graphics cards X-BeenThere: bino-list@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: bino-list@nongnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:21:02 -0000 Hi Martin, Absolutely no problems playing the v=EDdeo/subtitle on 1.4.2. Tried it on a i7 laptop with an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4570, running = Win7 x64. Second try on a i5 laptop with an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3430, = running Win7 x64. Smooth and stable. If you'll remember, we exchanged a few messages on this subject of = subtitles a few months ago, before 1.3.3 coming out, and although I never spotted = a graphics card brand specific issue then, some of the complaints were similar. All the problems I had then were corrected. However, I recommend Damir to try and select the subtitle stream before starting playback. I do have experienced some erratic behavior if the subtitles are activated in mid playback. For instance, while playing = this video, selecting the subs made the video jump about 8 seconds forward = and the first subtitles were not displayed. Selecting the subtitles before hitting that play button, makes a = difference. Regards Pedro -----Original Message----- From: bino-list-bounces+pedrospinto=3Dnetcabo.pt@nongnu.org [mailto:bino-list-bounces+pedrospinto=3Dnetcabo.pt@nongnu.org] On Behalf = Of Martin Lambers Sent: sexta-feira, 1 de Fevereiro de 2013 05:47 To: bino-list@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Bino-list] Request for help: debug subtitle problem on ATI graphics cards Hi Pedro! On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:55:05 -0000, Pedro Silva Pinto wrote: > Martin, I have a i7 laptop with a ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4570, running = > Win7 x64. > However, I can't download the .srt file (IIS webserver won't serve=20 > that until the mimetype is defined; better rename the file to .txt). I attached the .srt file to the bug report. Downloading it from there = should work. Regards, Martin From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Feb 01 10:36:44 2013 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1U1IfU-0002dI-Ol for mharc-bino-list@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:36:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48733) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U1IfP-0002cA-08 for bino-list@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:36:42 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U1IfN-0003dN-Sr for bino-list@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:36:38 -0500 Received: from v3-1141.vlinux.de ([79.140.41.141]:34720) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U1IfN-0003dB-Mh for bino-list@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:36:37 -0500 Received: from daffy (unknown [141.99.177.220]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by v3-1141.vlinux.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CBAFA8640D for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 16:36:35 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 16:36:30 +0100 From: Martin Lambers To: bino-list@nongnu.org Message-ID: <20130201163630.7a4d0235@daffy> In-Reply-To: <000901ce008f$b752bfe0$25f83fa0$@netcabo.pt> References: <20130124193149.2b61332b@daffy> <000001ce000e$64847eb0$2d8d7c10$@netcabo.pt> <20130201064717.0d424ace@daffy> <000901ce008f$b752bfe0$25f83fa0$@netcabo.pt> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.13; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 79.140.41.141 Subject: Re: [Bino-list] Request for help: debug subtitle problem on ATI graphics cards X-BeenThere: bino-list@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: bino-list@nongnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:36:43 -0000 Hi Pedro! On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:20:48 -0000, Pedro Silva Pinto wrote: > Absolutely no problems playing the v=C3=ADdeo/subtitle on 1.4.2. > Tried it on a i7 laptop with an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4570, running > Win7 x64. Second try on a i5 laptop with an ATI Mobility Radeon HD > 3430, running Win7 x64. Smooth and stable. Thanks for testing! > However, I recommend Damir to try and select the subtitle stream > before starting playback. I do have experienced some erratic behavior > if the subtitles are activated in mid playback. For instance, while > playing this video, selecting the subs made the video jump about 8 > seconds forward and the first subtitles were not displayed. > Selecting the subtitles before hitting that play button, makes a > difference. Yes, the reason why subtitle switching during playback is problematic is that afterwards all streams (video, audio, subtitles) need to find a synchronization point where 1) all timestamps are exactly known and 2) decoding can start from scratch (i.e. the next video frame must be a key frame). Depending on the encoding and container formats, this causes the streams to "jump" a little - or in some cases, several seconds. The same happens when switching audio tracks. There is no straightforward way to solve this. Regards, Martin From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Feb 01 15:03:29 2013 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1U1Mpd-0002qk-Ng for mharc-bino-list@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:03:29 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58388) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U1Mm6-0001yu-Ri for bino-list@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:03:28 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U1Mid-0003AQ-VY for bino-list@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:59:50 -0500 Received: from v3-1141.vlinux.de ([79.140.41.141]:40011) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U1F2H-00041h-38 for bino-list@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 06:44:01 -0500 Received: from daffy (unknown [141.99.177.220]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by v3-1141.vlinux.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9A0C2863EB for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:43:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:43:58 +0100 From: Martin Lambers To: bino-list@nongnu.org Message-ID: <20130201124358.6517c1a2@daffy> In-Reply-To: <000001ce0007$b5db43e0$2191cba0$@netcabo.pt> References: <000001cdff21$2404cb30$6c0e6190$@netcabo.pt> <20130130205141.0ca4ce5a@daffy> <000001cdff33$6d126730$47373590$@netcabo.pt> <20130130230947.061f7133@daffy> <000601cdffce$93fb7ad0$bbf27070$@netcabo.pt> <20130131222702.44e0c5a7@daffy> <000001ce0007$b5db43e0$2191cba0$@netcabo.pt> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.13; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 79.140.41.141 Subject: Re: [Bino-list] Problem compiling v1.4.2 for windows X-BeenThere: bino-list@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: bino-list@nongnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:03:28 -0000 Hi! Giovane Sampaio built an updated Windows installer. It is published on SourceForge now. Martin On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:07:15 -0000, Pedro Silva Pinto wrote: > It worked! Just made a small playback test and everything seems to be > working fine. > Great tip, Martin, thanks a lot! > Regards > > Pedro > > -----Original Message----- > From: bino-list-bounces+pedrospinto=netcabo.pt@nongnu.org > [mailto:bino-list-bounces+pedrospinto=netcabo.pt@nongnu.org] On > Behalf Of Martin Lambers > Sent: quinta-feira, 31 de Janeiro de 2013 21:27 > To: bino-list@nongnu.org > Cc: Giovane Sampaio > Subject: Re: [Bino-list] Problem compiling v1.4.2 for windows > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:18:16 -0000, Pedro Silva Pinto wrote: > > OK, I guess the master branch of MXE isn't quite bug free yet, > > too... > > There's one more thing to try: can you downgrade OpenAL in MXE to > 1.14? > > Change the OpenAL version from 1.15.1 to 1.14 in index.html, and in > src/openal.mk replace the package checksum with > "e6d69db13ec15465b83a45ef89978e8a0f55beca". Then 'make openal'. > > This should fix the problem, but maybe other problems are still > present. > > Regards, > Martin > > From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Feb 04 06:47:41 2013 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1U2KWT-0003dt-Q5 for mharc-bino-list@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 06:47:41 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37246) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U2KWQ-0003cb-GQ for bino-list@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 06:47:39 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U2KWO-0002g1-A2 for bino-list@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 06:47:38 -0500 Received: from v3-1141.vlinux.de ([79.140.41.141]:53213) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U2KWO-0002f6-3w for bino-list@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 06:47:36 -0500 Received: from jones (jones.cg.informatik.uni-siegen.de [141.99.177.209]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by v3-1141.vlinux.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 185C4861EE; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 12:47:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 12:47:33 +0100 From: Martin Lambers To: bino-list@nongnu.org Message-ID: <20130204124733.1a450b71@jones> In-Reply-To: <1359975827.864081538@f177.mail.ru> References: <1359975827.864081538@f177.mail.ru> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.13; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 79.140.41.141 Cc: Vyacheslav Dikonov Subject: Re: [Bino-list] Infitec-Dolby 3D wavelength coded separation output X-BeenThere: bino-list@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: bino-list@nongnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 11:47:39 -0000 Hi! [Your message has been accidentally deleted by overzealous mailing list filters; therefore I quote it full.] On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:03:47 +0400, Vyacheslav Dikonov wrote: > Is it possible to implement the Infitec-Dolby 3D method of > chromatically separated wavelength coded 3d output that would work > with "Dolby 3D" glasses in bino? A basic description is available at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_3D > > This method appears to be suitable for regular 60Hz displays with > good color performance and it is far better than anaglyph because it > can give (almost) full-color 3D image. The appropriate glasses are > widely used in cinemas and they can be bought for the price > comparable with nvidia 3d vision. I actually tested them in my local > cinema. > > A user case: > I have a very nice wide-gamut 2560x1600 60Hz display which has 7ms > GtG timing and AdobeRGB gamut. I want to see some 3D video, but > changing the panel for any current 3D display or TV would mean a huge > downgrade both in resolution and color performance for 2D. I have no > physical space for a second display either. This technique should > work with displays that can do accurate color reproduction + good > brightness but cannot support nvidia 3D vision. > > I would like to help in any way I can. > To use wavelength multiplexing, your display must be able to produce your colors using clearly defined sets of primaries (one for the left view and one for the right view). That is not possible with conventional displays as far as I can see. Martin From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Feb 04 07:41:08 2013 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1U2LMC-0001HC-Mw for mharc-bino-list@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 07:41:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47815) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U2LM9-0001F5-6J for bino-list@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 07:41:07 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U2LM7-0000FO-DZ for bino-list@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 07:41:05 -0500 Received: from v3-1141.vlinux.de ([79.140.41.141]:41903) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U2LM7-0000FD-4Y for bino-list@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 07:41:03 -0500 Received: from jones (jones.cg.informatik.uni-siegen.de [141.99.177.209]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by v3-1141.vlinux.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C574C861EE; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 13:41:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 13:41:00 +0100 From: Martin Lambers To: bino-list@nongnu.org Message-ID: <20130204134100.14c86e78@jones> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.13; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MP_/rET.+Hb5ZjYHvn5H5YLjPqO" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 79.140.41.141 Subject: [Bino-list] Fw: Infitec-Dolby 3D wavelength coded separation output X-BeenThere: bino-list@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: bino-list@nongnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 12:41:07 -0000 --MP_/rET.+Hb5ZjYHvn5H5YLjPqO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:21:12 +0400 From: Vyacheslav Dikonov To: bino-list@nongnu.org Subject: Re[2]: [Bino-list] Infitec-Dolby 3D wavelength coded separation output =D0=9F=D0=BE=D0=BD=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, 4 =D1= =84=D0=B5=D0=B2=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=BB=D1=8F 2013, 12:47 +01:00 =D0=BE=D1=82 Mar= tin Lambers : >Hi! > >[Your message has been accidentally deleted by overzealous mailing >list filters; therefore I quote it full.] > >On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:03:47 +0400, Vyacheslav Dikonov wrote: >> Is it possible to implement the Infitec-Dolby 3D method of >> chromatically separated wavelength coded 3d output that would work >> with "Dolby 3D" glasses in bino? A basic description is available at >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_3D >>=20 >> This method appears to be suitable for regular 60Hz displays with >> good color performance and it is far better than anaglyph because it >> can give (almost) full-color 3D image. The appropriate glasses are >> widely used in cinemas and they can be bought for the price >> comparable with nvidia 3d vision. I actually tested them in my local >> cinema. >>=20 >> A user case: >> I have a very nice wide-gamut 2560x1600 60Hz display which has 7ms >> GtG timing and AdobeRGB gamut. I want to see some 3D video, but >> changing the panel for any current 3D display or TV would mean a huge >> downgrade both in resolution and color performance for 2D. I have no >> physical space for a second display either. This technique should >> work with displays that can do accurate color reproduction + good >> brightness but cannot support nvidia 3D vision. >>=20 >> I would like to help in any way I can. >>=20 > >To use wavelength multiplexing, your display must be able to produce >your colors using clearly defined sets of primaries (one for the left >view and one for the right view). That is not possible with >conventional displays as far as I can see. > >Martin OK. The glasses are cheap and I can get a pair and check if I can produce a static image in gimp that would only be visible for one eye in the Dolby3D glasses using a good IPS panel. If the display can show dots of sufficiently clean colors for each of the six wavelengths, it should be possible to produce images consisting of groups of neighbor pixels emitting primary colors with different brightness to form TV-like composite pixels. 2560x1600 might be enough to emulate at least 853x800 3D screen.=C2=A0 Checkboard and line-interleave modes look solid from 1m for me. --MP_/rET.+Hb5ZjYHvn5H5YLjPqO Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Original html part"


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Hi!

[Your message h= as been accidentally deleted by overzealous mailing
list filters; theref= ore I quote it full.]

On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:03:47 +0400, Vyacheslav= Dikonov wrote:
> Is it possible to implement the Infitec-Dolby 3D m= ethod of
> chromatically separated wavelength coded 3d output that wo= uld work
> with "Dolby 3D" glasses in bino? A basic description is av= ailable at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_3D
>
> This= method appears to be suitable for regular 60Hz displays with
> good = color performance and it is far better than anaglyph because it
> can= give (almost) full-color 3D image. The appropriate glasses are
> wid= ely used in cinemas and they can be bought for the price
> comparable= with nvidia 3d vision. I actually tested them in my local
> cinema.<= br>>
> A user case:
> I have a very nice wide-gamut 2560x16= 00 60Hz display which has 7ms
> GtG timing and AdobeRGB gamut. I want= to see some 3D video, but
> changing the panel for any current 3D di= splay or TV would mean a huge
> downgrade both in resolution and colo= r performance for 2D. I have no
> physical space for a second display= either. This technique should
> work with displays that can do accur= ate color reproduction + good
> brightness but cannot support nvidia = 3D vision.
>
> I would like to help in any way I can.
> =

To use wavelength multiplexing, your display must be able to produc= e
your colors using clearly defined sets of primaries (one for the left<= br>view and one for the right view). That is not possible with
conventio= nal displays as far as I can see.

Martin
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OK. The glasses are cheap and I can get a pair and check if I = can produce a static image in gimp that would only be visible for one eye i= n the Dolby3D glasses using a good IPS panel. If the display can show dots = of sufficiently clean colors for each of the six wavelengths, it should be = possible to produce images consisting of groups of neighbor pixels emitting= primary colors with different brightness to form TV-like composite pixels.= 2560x1600 might be enough to emulate at least 853x800 3D screen.  Che= ckboard and line-interleave modes look solid from 1m for me.

= --MP_/rET.+Hb5ZjYHvn5H5YLjPqO-- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Feb 04 10:00:13 2013 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1U2NWn-0004fz-8w for mharc-bino-list@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:00:13 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52515) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U2NWf-0004af-EK for bino-list@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:00:12 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U2NWW-0007Qk-2j for bino-list@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:00:04 -0500 Received: from emailsecure.uni-linz.ac.at ([140.78.3.66]:63176) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U2NWV-0007Pm-Sm for bino-list@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:59:56 -0500 Received: from ersa.localnet (ersa.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.198.22]) by emailsecure.uni-linz.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D29B35C01F for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:59:47 +0100 (CET) From: Johannes Zarl Organization: Johannes Kepler =?utf-8?q?Universit=C3=A4t?= Linz To: bino-list@nongnu.org Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 15:59:47 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.0.0-1-amd64; KDE/4.8.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <20130204134100.14c86e78@jones> In-Reply-To: <20130204134100.14c86e78@jones> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201302041559.47427.johannes.zarl@jku.at> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 8.x X-Received-From: 140.78.3.66 Subject: Re: [Bino-list] Fw: Infitec-Dolby 3D wavelength coded separation output X-BeenThere: bino-list@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: bino-list@nongnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:00:12 -0000 > >To use wavelength multiplexing, your display must be able to produce > >your colors using clearly defined sets of primaries (one for the left > >view and one for the right view). That is not possible with > >conventional displays as far as I can see. > > > OK. The glasses are cheap and I can get a pair and check if I can > produce a static image in gimp that would only be visible for one eye > in the Dolby3D glasses using a good IPS panel. If the display can show > dots of sufficiently clean colors for each of the six wavelengths, it > should be possible to produce images consisting of groups of neighbor > pixels emitting primary colors with different brightness to form > TV-like composite pixels. 2560x1600 might be enough to emulate at least > 853x800 3D screen. Checkboard and line-interleave modes look solid > from 1m for me. As Martin already said, what you want is simply not possible using a standard monitor. Wavelength multiplexing is basically a projection only technology, and requires special interference filters not only in the glasses, but also in the projector. To use this technology in a monitor panel, you would need 6 colors per pixel instead of the normal 3. I.e. you would have 3 pixels for "RGB-left", plus 3 pixels for "RGB-right", where left and right pixels have different interference filters in front of them. I'm not even sure that this kind of monitor _could_ be produced in current LCD-panel factories. 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