From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Feb 10 02:08:22 2003 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.10.13) id 18i83C-0006XR-00 for mharc-edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:08:22 -0500 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18Zx0J-0003zj-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:43:35 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18ZwzT-0002WC-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:42:50 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18Zwyf-0000yD-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:41:53 -0500 Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Zwyf-00074V-00 for education@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:41:53 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18ZwyH-0000ci-00 for education@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:41:30 -0500 Received: from mail2.sezampro.yu ([194.106.188.9]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18Zwy1-0000Nu-00 for education@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:41:14 -0500 Received: from vladeck@ns-217-184-ppp.cac.sezampro.yu by SezamPro with SMTP on Sat, 18 Jan 2003 18:41:01 +0100 From: Vladimir Djokic To: education@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1042910798.1353.8.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:08:20 -0500 Subject: [Edu-fr] GNU/Linux education X-BeenThere: edu-fr@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: =?iso-8859-1?q?Liste_g=E9n=E9rale_=28not_only=29_francoph?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_de_promotion_et_d=27information=2E?= List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:43:57 -0000 X-Original-Date: 18 Jan 2003 18:41:29 +0100 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:43:57 -0000 Hello, Good people! I'm starting (as of 1. Feb.) a site in Serbia: The GNU/Linux Education Center. The site is intended to show people that GNU/Linux + Education __CAN__ work. Since you too believe in this, can I translate some of your txt on 'GNU and education' (I __WILL__ follow copyright notice on the end of that page)? I want to put translation on site I'm going to lauch. Thanks for any kind of reply, Vladimir. -- "This is it... This is where I belong..." From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Feb 10 02:08:23 2003 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.10.13) id 18i83D-0006Xk-00 for mharc-edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:08:23 -0500 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18bTey-0007Rq-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:47:52 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18bTet-0007O0-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:47:47 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18bTeX-000765-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:47:25 -0500 Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18bTeX-00085L-00 for education@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:47:25 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18bTeG-0006uU-00 for education@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:47:09 -0500 Received: from 205-158-62-139.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.139] helo=spf1.us.outblaze.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18bTeF-0006jr-00 for education@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:47:08 -0500 Received: (qmail 5503 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2003 22:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (205.158.62.68) by spf1.us.outblaze.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2003 22:47:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 7461 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2003 22:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws5-2.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.132) by 205-158-62-153.outblaze.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2003 22:47:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 24860 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Jan 2003 22:47:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20030122224700.24857.qmail@linuxmail.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [213.96.247.239] by ws5-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for lince@linuxmail.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:46:59 +0900 From: "Lince Suryvan" To: education@gnu.org X-Originating-Ip: 213.96.247.239 X-Originating-Server: ws5-2.us4.outblaze.com X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:08:20 -0500 Subject: [Edu-fr] Help to implement GNU\Linux in Spanish School X-BeenThere: edu-fr@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: =?iso-8859-1?q?Liste_g=E9n=E9rale_=28not_only=29_francoph?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_de_promotion_et_d=27information=2E?= List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:47:59 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:46:59 +0900 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:47:59 -0000 hi there Last month i received a call from the admin of my school. He wants to change all the old win9x net to linux(exactly gnu\linux). Ive been talking with some people other people from the lug. We will propose a definitve implementation plan the first of march. We have been seeking for educational programs, for young kids, and so on, and for specific ones for phisic, biologie... Currently we are on it, testing at our homes xterminals, samba, nfs, squid, the firewall, well, you know. After a fast search on the internet i only found some threads on some lugs, i think its the first seriuos attenpt to do move a school to use completely free software. (Although, at first, the dont care it, the only want it to bee free (as in beer)). Well, i dont know what more to say, its a very good new, and at gnu.org/education i found that perhaps you could help us a bit. Oh,i fast forgive it, i live in norther spain, you know here gnu\linux is not as popular as i will. Thanks for all. -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr Powered by Outblaze From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Feb 10 02:08:23 2003 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.10.13) id 18i83D-0006Xs-00 for mharc-edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:08:23 -0500 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18bmmK-0006IA-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:12:44 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18bmmI-0006GO-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:12:43 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18bmmI-0006Fw-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:12:42 -0500 Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18bmmI-0003Cq-01 for education@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:12:42 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18bmmB-00069l-00 for education@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:12:35 -0500 Received: from h-66-166-85-126.sfldmidn.covad.net ([66.166.85.126] helo=medusa.cronosys.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18bmmA-000661-00 for education@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:12:34 -0500 Received: from argo.eraserhead.net (gozer-covad [66.166.85.122]) (authenticated) by medusa.cronosys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0NJCT003547; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:12:29 -0500 Received: from argo.eraserhead.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by argo.eraserhead.net (8.12.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0NJCTMA002872; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:12:29 -0500 Received: (from jasonf@localhost) by argo.eraserhead.net (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id h0NJCTZY002871; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:12:29 -0500 From: "Jason M. Felice" To: education@gnu.org Message-ID: <20030123191228.GG1706@argo.eraserhead.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:08:20 -0500 cc: nooss-talk@lists.nooss.org Subject: [Edu-fr] Perhaps a "GNU Kids" project? X-BeenThere: edu-fr@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: =?iso-8859-1?q?Liste_g=E9n=E9rale_=28not_only=29_francoph?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_de_promotion_et_d=27information=2E?= List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:12:45 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:12:28 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:12:45 -0000 Hello, I'm in the research phase for a project (of the unfunded, personal, philanthropic sort) to create a platform for use in schools. I want to build a comprehensive software curriculum for ages 3-7. I've reasearched and found with the help of a local users group, your education page, a few Linux in school advocacy pages, Debian Jr. (which seems dead), and some odds and ends. I'm writing to ask your opinion on one dilemma I am currently facing. First, my first thought would be that I would like to make a sanctioned GNU project, call it "GNU Kids" or something, and work from that. The dilemma is that the goal of the project is to make affordable (i.e. free not freedom) platform for underfunded schools. I'm curious if you see much of a conflict here. I would never use proprietary software here, but I've seen that the requirements for a package becoming GNU software is much more strict than just becoming Free Software. I want to leverage existing Open Source packages as well as write software (hopefully I'll just be writing glue bits, but that's probably not likely). This would mean bringing other packages into whatever my project becomes, whether it is under the GNU umbrella or not. And just to present the whole picture, the software is half the story. The rest will involve training teachers and getting them involved with the feedback process, acquisitioning donated hardware, setting up schools, etc. In addition to your thoughts on the dilemma, any pointers to more information in this realm, suggestions, advice, etc. would be very appreciated. Thanks, -Jay 'Eraserhead' Felice P.S. I've copied the users' group which has been helping out to keep them in the loop. From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Feb 10 02:08:24 2003 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.10.13) id 18i83D-0006Y4-00 for mharc-edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:08:23 -0500 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18dcfJ-0007x2-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:49:05 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18dcfI-0007wn-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:49:05 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18dcfI-0007w1-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:49:04 -0500 Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18dcfI-0008N1-00 for education@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:49:04 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18dceh-0007sj-00 for education@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:48:28 -0500 Received: from tyger.let.uu.nl ([131.211.194.77]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18dceh-0007sQ-00 for education@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:48:27 -0500 Received: from tuxsol.com (tuxsol-2.demon.nl [212.238.186.131]) by tyger.let.uu.nl with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id ZD91T0VT; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:46:59 +0100 Message-ID: <3E36E7E8.9030400@tuxsol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:28:24 +0100 X-Sybari-Trust: 5c701d2d 41d716d1 c60a6f96 0000093d From: Rob McDonnell Organization: cim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020412 Debian/0.9.9-6 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: education@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:08:20 -0500 Subject: [Edu-fr] gnu education? X-BeenThere: edu-fr@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list Reply-To: r.mcdonnell@let.uu.nl List-Id: =?iso-8859-1?q?Liste_g=E9n=E9rale_=28not_only=29_francoph?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_de_promotion_et_d=27information=2E?= List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:49:06 -0000 Hi, Are you guys still looking for someone to take on the gnu education stuff? What does this role entail? I am currenty a university unix admin (BSD, linux, Solaris) with an interest in learning technologies and all good things GNU/Open Source. I have a background in teaching (ex. unix trainer for Sun) and research (Ph.D. in rock mechanics). Look forward to hearing from you, Cheers, Rob McDonnell From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Feb 10 02:08:25 2003 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.10.13) id 18i83E-0006YP-00 for mharc-edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:08:24 -0500 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18gEkI-0003vP-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:53:02 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18gEkF-0003sG-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:53:01 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18gEkE-0003s4-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:52:58 -0500 Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18gEkE-0002ZB-00 for education@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:52:58 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18gEk8-0003oe-00 for education@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:52:53 -0500 Received: from h00a0244c7066.ne.client2.attbi.com ([65.96.248.216] helo=mail.caboteria.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18gEk7-0003oT-00; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:52:51 -0500 Received: by mail.caboteria.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 950A415C02B; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:51:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:51:04 -0500 From: toby cabot To: minddog Message-ID: <20030205015104.GE9909@poohpa.caboteria.org> Mail-Followup-To: toby cabot , minddog , gvc@gnu.org, s11@member.fsf.org, education@gnu.org References: <200302030033.37192.minddog@cannibutter.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200302030033.37192.minddog@cannibutter.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:08:20 -0500 cc: education@gnu.org cc: gvc@gnu.org cc: s11@member.fsf.org Subject: [Edu-fr] Re: Taking over the GNU Education activity X-BeenThere: edu-fr@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: =?iso-8859-1?q?Liste_g=E9n=E9rale_=28not_only=29_francoph?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_de_promotion_et_d=27information=2E?= List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 01:53:03 -0000 Adam, Stephen, Thanks for your interest in helping GNU! I'll copy this message to the education@gnu.org mailing list and you can work with the list members to figure out the best way to proceed. Regards, Toby Cabot (GNU Project Volunteer Coordinator) On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 12:33:37AM -0700, minddog wrote: > We are interested in a full organization inside schools to control, > monitor, and defend the students rights of free software in the > classroom and outside. This project is currently called "the Free > Software Academy", but we would like to merge it into the GNU > Education activity, and in doing so take over that activity (as > requested on the Help Wanted page). > > A short list of our planned activities: > > * Many schools force their students to use non-Free Software to > support non-free file formats, such as MS PowerPoint. In fact, > this problem was the original inspiration for the FSA project. We > would speak as a third party interest on behalf of students > asserting their rights to use Free Software, explaining the > > * Offer mailing list, Freenode, and Wiki resources to assist teachers > in developing courses based on free software. Good support will > bring satisfied schools that won't switch back very fast and that > will be positive about free software to other schools. > > * Post information about the activity in schools, perhaps with help > from the Digital Speech Project. We'll have information sheets for > schools and students about why Free Software is good for them, and > why they should care. > > "Did you know if you give your friend a program that is a > $.... dollar fine?" > > * Produce products which are attractive to the schools. Mainly > thinking of prefab packages for specific platforms. Give the > package a simple graphical interface and automate the installation > process. Make a lot of these packages then burn them on a cd and > give them to whoever you want to convince. Chances are good they > will try it and copy the CD (better explicitly say copying is > allowed :-) for their collegues, and with a bit of luck they will > install the packages on the school network....the CD production bit > is of course not immediately feasible. > > Some of the plans we have in order to acheive our goals: > > * Create *many, many* scenarios describing different obstacles to > adoption of Free Software in schools. This is best illustrated by > an example. > > Institution: Doesn't understand free software, likes PowerPoint and > shows all its educational material in it. > > Student: a GNU/Linux guru/Free Software/Free file formats > supporter. He wants to see some of his in-class presentations at > home. But there are no texinfo, postscript, HTML, or PDF formats. > > His solution: Nag teacher, teacher ignores him. > > His solution with FSA/GNU Education backing: Nag teacher, Teacher > ignores him, CC the ignored student's with a request to have GNU > Education/FSA contact the teacher. > > Teacher learns that what she/he is doing is causing her material in > the classroom to be partly copyrighted by microsoft.....educate!! > > Teacher downloads software to easily convert her/his file formats > to standard ones. She/he and her students are now very happy! > > * ...We'll have to invent every scenario and have a large FAQ put > together. Then we can review these and try to invent some type of > universal input for everyone so that we can handle all requests. > > * This is only relevant if we become the GNU Education activity > ... we could include fliers with GNU snail-mail (orders, (C) > assignments, etc) asking people to post them, as with the recent > "Free Software, Free Society" book leaflets. > > * Bridge between computer groups and Digital Freedom groups. > > Before we can do all this, we need a communications medium. At this > time, we feel the best way to do this would be to take over the GNU > Education activity. If you are interested, please let us know. > > Adam Ballai > Stephen Compall From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Feb 10 03:03:27 2003 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.10.13) id 18i8uV-0002qX-00 for mharc-edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:03:27 -0500 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18i8uS-0002pX-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:03:24 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18i8uR-0002ov-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:03:24 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18i8uQ-0002oX-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:03:22 -0500 Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18i8uQ-00025b-00 for education@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:03:22 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18i8ts-0002ZR-00 for education@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:02:49 -0500 Received: from relay-1m.club-internet.fr ([194.158.104.40]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18i8pn-0001PG-00; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:58:35 -0500 Received: from cecile.fremen.dune (f13m-6-31.d1.club-internet.fr [212.195.81.31]) by relay-1m.club-internet.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FE601789; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:58:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:00:31 +0100 From: Odile Bénassy To: education@gnu.org Subject: Re: [Edu-fr] Re: Taking over the GNU Education activity Message-Id: <20030210090031.5f63c784.obenassy@free.fr> In-Reply-To: <20030205015104.GE9909@poohpa.caboteria.org> References: <200302030033.37192.minddog@cannibutter.com> <20030205015104.GE9909@poohpa.caboteria.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: minddog@cannibutter.com cc: gvc@gnu.org cc: s11@member.fsf.org X-BeenThere: edu-fr@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: =?iso-8859-1?q?Liste_g=E9n=E9rale_=28not_only=29_francoph?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_de_promotion_et_d=27information=2E?= List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:03:25 -0000 On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:51:04 -0500 toby cabot wrote: > Adam, Stephen, > > Thanks for your interest in helping GNU! I'll copy this message to > the education@gnu.org mailing list and you can work with the list > members to figure out the best way to proceed. > > Regards, > Toby Cabot (GNU Project Volunteer Coordinator) > Adam, Stephen, 'education@gnu.org' gets forwarded to edu-fr@gnu.org, so I'm one of one the right persons who can answer, and I say yes, please, go ahead. There is a project called 'edu' on savannah.gnu.org, see http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/edu Have an account, send it to me... > > On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 12:33:37AM -0700, minddog wrote: > > We are interested in a full organization inside schools to control, > > monitor, and defend the students rights of free software in the > > classroom and outside. This project is currently called "the Free > > Software Academy", but we would like to merge it into the GNU > > Education activity, and in doing so take over that activity (as > > requested on the Help Wanted page). > > > > A short list of our planned activities: > > > > * Many schools force their students to use non-Free Software to > > support non-free file formats, such as MS PowerPoint. In fact, > > this problem was the original inspiration for the FSA project. We > > would speak as a third party interest on behalf of students > > asserting their rights to use Free Software, explaining the > > > > * Offer mailing list, Freenode, and Wiki resources to assist teachers > > in developing courses based on free software. Good support will > > bring satisfied schools that won't switch back very fast and that > > will be positive about free software to other schools. > > > > * Post information about the activity in schools, perhaps with help > > from the Digital Speech Project. We'll have information sheets for > > schools and students about why Free Software is good for them, and > > why they should care. > > > > "Did you know if you give your friend a program that is a > > $.... dollar fine?" > > > > * Produce products which are attractive to the schools. Mainly > > thinking of prefab packages for specific platforms. Give the > > package a simple graphical interface and automate the installation > > process. Make a lot of these packages then burn them on a cd and > > give them to whoever you want to convince. Chances are good they > > will try it and copy the CD (better explicitly say copying is > > allowed :-) for their collegues, and with a bit of luck they will > > install the packages on the school network....the CD production bit > > is of course not immediately feasible. > > > > Some of the plans we have in order to acheive our goals: > > > > * Create *many, many* scenarios describing different obstacles to > > adoption of Free Software in schools. This is best illustrated by > > an example. > > > > Institution: Doesn't understand free software, likes PowerPoint and > > shows all its educational material in it. > > > > Student: a GNU/Linux guru/Free Software/Free file formats > > supporter. He wants to see some of his in-class presentations at > > home. But there are no texinfo, postscript, HTML, or PDF formats. > > > > His solution: Nag teacher, teacher ignores him. > > > > His solution with FSA/GNU Education backing: Nag teacher, Teacher > > ignores him, CC the ignored student's with a request to have GNU > > Education/FSA contact the teacher. > > > > Teacher learns that what she/he is doing is causing her material in > > the classroom to be partly copyrighted by microsoft.....educate!! > > > > Teacher downloads software to easily convert her/his file formats > > to standard ones. She/he and her students are now very happy! > > > > * ...We'll have to invent every scenario and have a large FAQ put > > together. Then we can review these and try to invent some type of > > universal input for everyone so that we can handle all requests. > > > > * This is only relevant if we become the GNU Education activity > > ... we could include fliers with GNU snail-mail (orders, (C) > > assignments, etc) asking people to post them, as with the recent > > "Free Software, Free Society" book leaflets. > > > > * Bridge between computer groups and Digital Freedom groups. > > > > Before we can do all this, we need a communications medium. At this > > time, we feel the best way to do this would be to take over the GNU > > Education activity. If you are interested, please let us know. > > > > Adam Ballai > > Stephen Compall > > > _______________________________________________ > Edu-fr mailing list > Edu-fr@gnu.org > http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-fr > -- Odile Bénassy, développeuse de logiciels libres Odile Benassy, libre software developer gpg: 6333 33AF 1AA4 5A64 3870 33BC 4247 DC1D BDEB B4AA From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Feb 10 05:17:23 2003 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iAyv-00070F-00 for mharc-edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:16:09 -0500 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iAlT-00031G-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:02:15 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iAkp-0002Zy-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:01:38 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iAje-0002GI-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:00:22 -0500 Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18iAje-0003rs-00 for education@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:00:22 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iAax-0006vq-00 for education@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 04:51:25 -0500 Received: from [192.195.225.6] (helo=antares.evansville.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iAaj-0006lO-00; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 04:51:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by antares.evansville.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B61396E6; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:51:07 -0600 (CST) From: Stephen Compall To: education@gnu.org Subject: Re: [Edu-fr] Re: Taking over the GNU Education activity Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:50:39 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200302030033.37192.minddog@cannibutter.com> <20030205015104.GE9909@poohpa.caboteria.org> <20030210090031.5f63c784.obenassy@free.fr> In-Reply-To: <20030210090031.5f63c784.obenassy@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: clearsigned data Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200302100351.06948.s11@member.fsf.org> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:16:07 -0500 cc: minddog@cannibutter.com cc: gvc@gnu.org X-BeenThere: edu-fr@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: =?iso-8859-1?q?Liste_g=E9n=E9rale_=28not_only=29_francoph?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_de_promotion_et_d=27information=2E?= List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:02:28 -0000 =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 February 2003 02:00 am, Odile B=E9nassy wrote: > Adam, Stephen, > > 'education@gnu.org' gets forwarded to edu-fr@gnu.org, so I'm one of > one the right persons who can answer, and I say yes, please, go > ahead. There is a project called 'edu' on savannah.gnu.org, see > http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/edu > Have an account, send it to me... My Savannah user ID is S11001001. > > On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 12:33:37AM -0700, minddog wrote: > > > Before we can do all this, we need a communications medium. At > > > this time, we feel the best way to do this would be to take over > > > the GNU Education activity. If you are interested, please let us > > > know. > > > > > > Adam Ballai > > > Stephen Compall =2D --=20 Stephen Compall - Also known as S11001001 DotGNU `Contributor' -- http://dotgnu.org Jabber ID: sirian@theoretic.com Theoretically [raising copyright duration from 75 to 95 years] would increase the incentive to write new works; but any publisher that claims to need this extra incentive should substantiate the claim with projected balance sheets for the year 2075. -- RMS, "Misinterpreting Copyright" =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+R3X32AceYinZ4EgRAk1nAJ9OJSQIjxjOyYUGidRtBFeSODtSlACeJqjH syTRlMiNSpgShikaPmHPaAo=3D =3DEbcM =2D----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Feb 10 05:46:20 2003 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iBNV-0003NT-00 for mharc-edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:41:33 -0500 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iBA7-0002gY-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:27:43 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iB7k-0002IQ-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:25:21 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iB7T-0001zN-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:24:59 -0500 Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18iB7S-0004KK-00 for education@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:24:58 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iB7M-0001rA-00 for education@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:24:54 -0500 Received: from [192.195.225.6] (helo=antares.evansville.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iB6A-00011T-00; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:23:39 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by antares.evansville.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257D0396E6; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 04:23:47 -0600 (CST) From: Stephen Compall To: Odile =?iso-8859-1?q?B=E9nassy?= , education@gnu.org Subject: Re: [Edu-fr] Re: Taking over the GNU Education activity Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 04:23:39 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200302030033.37192.minddog@cannibutter.com> <20030205015104.GE9909@poohpa.caboteria.org> <20030210090031.5f63c784.obenassy@free.fr> In-Reply-To: <20030210090031.5f63c784.obenassy@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: clearsigned data Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200302100423.46198.s11@member.fsf.org> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:41:32 -0500 cc: minddog@cannibutter.com cc: gvc@gnu.org X-BeenThere: edu-fr@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: =?iso-8859-1?q?Liste_g=E9n=E9rale_=28not_only=29_francoph?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_de_promotion_et_d=27information=2E?= List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:27:44 -0000 =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 February 2003 02:00 am, Odile B=E9nassy wrote: > On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:51:04 -0500 > > 'education@gnu.org' gets forwarded to edu-fr@gnu.org, so I'm one of > one the right persons who can answer, and I say yes, please, go > ahead. There is a project called 'edu' on savannah.gnu.org, see > http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/edu > Have an account, send it to me... This would be the first step towards taking over the project? We just=20 want to be clear here. =2D --=20 Stephen Compall - Also known as S11001001 DotGNU `Contributor' -- http://dotgnu.org Jabber ID: sirian@theoretic.com Theoretically [raising copyright duration from 75 to 95 years] would increase the incentive to write new works; but any publisher that claims to need this extra incentive should substantiate the claim with projected balance sheets for the year 2075. -- RMS, "Misinterpreting Copyright" =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+R32w2AceYinZ4EgRAiNLAJ9lBIMtDULVjcaFplfcJdl2D51xIACeO9qM cqbCF+VE9jr6H7jNCJzx3Gs=3D =3DHkZn =2D----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Feb 10 05:56:17 2003 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iBbS-0002AL-00 for mharc-edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:55:58 -0500 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iBYK-0000cq-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:52:44 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iBXr-00007t-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:52:16 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iBXl-0008V0-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:52:09 -0500 Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18iBXk-00057G-01 for education@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:52:08 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iBXd-0008Nx-00 for education@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:52:07 -0500 Received: from relay-3m.club-internet.fr ([194.158.104.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iBXc-0008Kw-00; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:52:01 -0500 Received: from cecile.fremen.dune (f13m-6-31.d1.club-internet.fr [212.195.81.31]) by relay-3m.club-internet.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 7501BE2B7; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:52:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:54:01 +0100 From: Odile Bénassy To: Stephen Compall Subject: Re: [Edu-fr] Re: Taking over the GNU Education activity Message-Id: <20030210115401.5533dc02.obenassy@free.fr> In-Reply-To: <200302100423.46198.s11@member.fsf.org> References: <200302030033.37192.minddog@cannibutter.com> <20030205015104.GE9909@poohpa.caboteria.org> <20030210090031.5f63c784.obenassy@free.fr> <200302100423.46198.s11@member.fsf.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: education@gnu.org cc: gvc@gnu.org cc: minddog@cannibutter.com X-BeenThere: edu-fr@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: =?iso-8859-1?q?Liste_g=E9n=E9rale_=28not_only=29_francoph?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_de_promotion_et_d=27information=2E?= List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:55:57 -0000 On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 04:23:39 -0600 Stephen Compall wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Monday 10 February 2003 02:00 am, Odile Bénassy wrote: > > On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:51:04 -0500 > > > > 'education@gnu.org' gets forwarded to edu-fr@gnu.org, so I'm one of > > one the right persons who can answer, and I say yes, please, go > > ahead. There is a project called 'edu' on savannah.gnu.org, see > > http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/edu > > Have an account, send it to me... > > This would be the first step towards taking over the project? We just > want to be clear here. > Yes, it indeed is the first step towards taking over the project. -- Odile Bénassy, développeuse de logiciels libres Odile Benassy, libre software developer gpg: 6333 33AF 1AA4 5A64 3870 33BC 4247 DC1D BDEB B4AA From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Feb 11 03:36:57 2003 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iVuP-0005nU-00 for mharc-edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:36:53 -0500 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iVto-0004a3-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:36:16 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iVtc-0004NU-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:36:05 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iVtN-0004AQ-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:35:49 -0500 Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18iVtN-0001Tv-00 for education@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:35:49 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iVsg-0003dw-00 for education@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:35:09 -0500 Received: from smtp-out-6.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.19.25] helo=mel-rto6.wanadoo.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iVsD-0003Qs-00 for education@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:34:37 -0500 Received: from mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.193) by mel-rto6.wanadoo.fr (6.7.015) id 3E0C343F01CCF283; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:33:58 +0100 Received: from localhost (80.14.155.165) by mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (6.7.015) id 3E26DAA600EC4D1B; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:33:58 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:54:55 +0100 From: Hilaire Fernandes To: "Lince Suryvan" Subject: Re: [Edu-fr] Help to implement GNU\Linux in Spanish School Message-Id: <20030210185455.1d93852d.hilaire@ext.cri74.org> In-Reply-To: <20030122224700.24857.qmail@linuxmail.org> References: <20030122224700.24857.qmail@linuxmail.org> Organization: OFSET X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="=.f)W.+vxoSSbp8N" cc: education@gnu.org X-BeenThere: edu-fr@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: =?iso-8859-1?q?Liste_g=E9n=E9rale_=28not_only=29_francoph?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_de_promotion_et_d=27information=2E?= List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:36:50 -0000 --=.f)W.+vxoSSbp8N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Lince, Did you get in touch with the extremadura part of Spain. It has been said they have a project to deploy gnu/linux in the administration and the schools. They have also set a distribution based on Debian. They may have valuable thing already available in Spanish. Hilaire -- OFSET - http://www.ofset.org Free the teacher with the Freeduc-cd - http://www.ofset.org/projects/edusoft/edusoft.html --=.f)W.+vxoSSbp8N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+R+dySAvrR6lz6PQRAqJ2AJsHrQNhqKDVTHCv/K8yHWsQxEDS5wCeMQ4d 7w4WnkpDqNMbTXWx/HQbgYc= =0nHQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.f)W.+vxoSSbp8N-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Feb 11 05:31:20 2003 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iXgp-0008PU-00 for mharc-edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 05:30:59 -0500 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iXgl-0008AJ-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 05:30:55 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iXgd-0007dq-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 05:30:50 -0500 Received: from relay-5v.club-internet.fr ([194.158.96.110]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iXgZ-0007K2-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 05:30:43 -0500 Received: from cecile.fremen.dune (f06v-12-86.d1.club-internet.fr [212.194.119.86]) by relay-5v.club-internet.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0997717B7 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:31:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:33:04 +0100 From: Odile Bénassy To: edu-fr@gnu.org Message-Id: <20030211113304.5acb2faa.obenassy@free.fr> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Edu-fr] Fw: libre pour PAO ? X-BeenThere: edu-fr@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: =?iso-8859-1?q?Liste_g=E9n=E9rale_=28not_only=29_francoph?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_de_promotion_et_d=27information=2E?= List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:30:58 -0000 Begin forwarded message: Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:07:19 +0100 From: "Charmilles : salle info" To: Subject: libre pour PAO ? Bonjour, Bien que peu experte techniquement, je suis très intéressée par la démarche "logiciels libres" dans les établissements scolaires. Auprès des élèves, je commence à substituer Open office aux logiciels de bureautique Windows. Question de mon chef d'établissement : y a-t-il dans le libre un logiciel de PAO, avec bibliothèque d'images ou de modèles ? J'ai téléchargé Gimp sans avoir eu le temps de l'étudier. Il semble davantage destiné à la retouche d'images... Pouvez-vous répondre à ma question ? Merci. Anne-Marie Macabies -- Lycée Les Charmilles, La Ravoire. Salle informatique lepap.les.charmilles73@wanadoo.fr Site web : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/charmilles -- Odile Bénassy, développeuse de logiciels libres Odile Benassy, libre software developer gpg: 6333 33AF 1AA4 5A64 3870 33BC 4247 DC1D BDEB B4AA From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Feb 12 15:26:00 2003 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.10.13) id 18j3S0-00057P-00 for mharc-edu-fr@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:25:48 -0500 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iYDK-00076b-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:04:34 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iYCx-0006da-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:04:13 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iYCs-0006OA-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:04:06 -0500 Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18iYCs-0003z4-00 for education@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:04:06 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iYCJ-0005sr-00 for education@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:03:34 -0500 Received: from smtp-out-2.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.19.254] helo=mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18iYCG-0005dh-00 for education@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:03:28 -0500 Received: from mel-rta6.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.26) by mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr (6.7.015) id 3E0C337001CF9BA6 for education@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:03:27 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain (81.51.168.73) by mel-rta6.wanadoo.fr (6.7.015) id 3E26CE2100EFC5D3; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:03:27 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: richard parisy To: education@gnu.org Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:03:24 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200302111203.24259.richard.parisy@wanadoo.fr> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:25:46 -0500 cc: Richard.PARISY@wanadoo.fr Subject: [Edu-fr] logiciels =?iso-8859-1?q?=E9ducatifs_pour_jeunes_adultes_handicap=E9s_mentaux?= X-BeenThere: edu-fr@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: =?iso-8859-1?q?Liste_g=E9n=E9rale_=28not_only=29_francoph?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_de_promotion_et_d=27information=2E?= List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:04:48 -0000 bonjour, je suis =E9ducateur sp=E9cialis=E9, et j'accompagne des jeunes a= dultes=20 handicap=E9s mentaux vers leur insertion sociale. J'anime un atelier de=20 remobilisation avec l'aide de l'outil informatique.j'utilise des machine= s=20 sous windows, mais chez moi j'apprends =E0 me servir de Mandrake 9, avant= de=20 migrer sur mon atelier. Je souhaiterais participer =E0 la cr=E9ation de l= ogiciels=20 =E9ducatifs pour adultes en difficult=E9s, et le libre me parait une bonn= e=20 formule, peut =EAtre la seule pour ces publics .Merci de me r=E9pondre s'= il y a=20 d'autres =E9ducs qui se sentent concern=E9s. Richard. mon email : Richard.PARISY@wanadoo.fr From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Feb 12 17:17:16 2003 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.10.13) id 18j5Bp-0006Rg-00 for mharc-edu-fr@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:17:13 -0500 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18j5BS-0005mT-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:16:50 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18j5BH-0005Q3-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:16:40 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18j5Am-00054b-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:16:08 -0500 Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18j5Al-0007hV-00 for education@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:16:07 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18j5Ag-00050L-00 for education@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:16:03 -0500 Received: from alille-107-1-23-238.abo.wanadoo.fr ([81.51.0.238] helo=localhost) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18j59c-0004ZF-00 for education@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:14:56 -0500 Received: from georgesk by localhost with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18j59Y-0000zz-00; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:14:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:14:51 +0100 To: richard parisy Subject: Re: [Edu-fr] logiciels =?iso-8859-15?Q?=E9?= =?iso-8859-15?Q?ducatifs_pour_jeunes_adultes_handicap=E9s?= mentaux Message-ID: <20030212221451.GM2098@gk.homelinux.org> Mail-Followup-To: georgesk, richard parisy , education@gnu.org References: <200302111203.24259.richard.parisy@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200302111203.24259.richard.parisy@wanadoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: Georges Khaznadar cc: education@gnu.org X-BeenThere: edu-fr@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: =?iso-8859-1?q?Liste_g=E9n=E9rale_=28not_only=29_francoph?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_de_promotion_et_d=27information=2E?= List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:17:10 -0000 richard parisy a écrit : > Je souhaiterais participer à la création de logiciels > éducatifs pour adultes en difficultés, et le libre me parait une bonne > formule, peut être la seule pour ces publics . Bonjour, de quels types de logiciels as-tu le plus besoin dans un proche avenir ? amitiés, Georges. From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Feb 13 09:50:26 2003 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.10.13) id 18jKgv-0008Nk-00 for mharc-edu-fr@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:50:21 -0500 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18jItq-0008JI-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:55:34 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18jItm-0008J0-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:55:31 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18jItl-0008Iq-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:55:29 -0500 Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18jItl-0005bI-00 for education@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:55:29 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18jItZ-0008GV-00 for education@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:55:18 -0500 Received: from h00a0244c7066.ne.client2.attbi.com ([65.96.248.216] helo=mail.caboteria.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18jItY-0008AV-00; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:55:16 -0500 Received: from dickless.caboteria.org (dickless.caboteria.org [192.168.1.8]) by mail.caboteria.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DC015C033; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by dickless.caboteria.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8E14D2B4480; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:52:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:54:34 -0500 From: toby cabot To: Dan Barrett Message-ID: <20030213125434.GB16166@caboteria.org> Mail-Followup-To: toby cabot , Dan Barrett , gvc@gnu.org, education@gnu.org References: <200302110059.30702.dan@offthehill.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200302110059.30702.dan@offthehill.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:50:20 -0500 cc: education@gnu.org cc: gvc@gnu.org Subject: [Edu-fr] Re: GNU education X-BeenThere: edu-fr@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: =?iso-8859-1?q?Liste_g=E9n=E9rale_=28not_only=29_francoph?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_de_promotion_et_d=27information=2E?= List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:55:38 -0000 On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 12:59:30AM -0500, Dan Barrett wrote: > GNU Volunteer Coordinators, > I notice on the "How you can help the GNU Project" page that the education > initiative needs help. I'm a Boston-based developer > (http://www.offthehill.org/~dan/resume.html) / rabid GPL'er looking to help > any way I can; I am specifically interested in advocacy and education. > How can I help? Dan, Thank you for your interest in helping the GNU Project! The best way to get started is to contact the folks on the education mailing list to see if they need help. There's been an upswing in activity lately so it's a good time to get involved. I'll cc the list to get the ball rolling. Please let us (gvc@gnu.org) know if we can be of further help. Regards, The GNU Project Volunteer Coordinators PS. If you'd like to stay in touch with the GNU project, please subscribe to the info-gnu mailing list at http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnu. It's a low-traffic list with news and announcements about the GNU project. From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Feb 13 10:54:01 2003 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.10.13) id 18jLgX-0003rj-00 for mharc-edu-fr@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:54:01 -0500 Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18jLez-0003SS-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:52:25 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18jLeg-0003Dq-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:52:07 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18jLeH-00030z-00 for edu-fr@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:51:41 -0500 Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18jLeH-0003Wf-00 for education@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:51:41 -0500 Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18jLdJ-0002YR-00 for education@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:50:44 -0500 Received: from smtp-out-2.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.19.254] helo=mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18jLWx-0008Dn-00; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:44:08 -0500 Received: from mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.193) by mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr (6.7.015) id 3E0C337001EC8D63; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:44:06 +0100 Received: from localhost (80.14.155.97) by mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (6.7.015) id 3E26DAA601059A7B; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:44:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:44:53 +0100 From: Hilaire Fernandes To: toby cabot Subject: Re: [Edu-fr] Re: GNU education Message-Id: <20030213164453.3b4748a1.hilaire@ext.cri74.org> In-Reply-To: <20030213125434.GB16166@caboteria.org> References: <200302110059.30702.dan@offthehill.org> <20030213125434.GB16166@caboteria.org> Organization: OFSET X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="=.D?).Ym9v9u0i1N" cc: education@gnu.org cc: gvc@gnu.org cc: dan@offthehill.org X-BeenThere: edu-fr@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: =?iso-8859-1?q?Liste_g=E9n=E9rale_=28not_only=29_francoph?= =?iso-8859-1?q?one_de_promotion_et_d=27information=2E?= List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:53:59 -0000 --=.D?).Ym9v9u0i1N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan, Eventually you may also want to five a hand at one of the OFSET project (which is an associated organisation of FSFE). For example: http://www.ofset.org/freeduc http://www.ofset.org/projects/edusoft.html http://wwww.ofset.org/drgenius http://www.ofset.org/gcompris Best regards, Hilaire On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:54:34 -0500 toby cabot wrote: > On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 12:59:30AM -0500, Dan Barrett wrote: > > GNU Volunteer Coordinators, > > I notice on the "How you can help the GNU Project" page that the education > > initiative needs help. I'm a Boston-based developer > > (http://www.offthehill.org/~dan/resume.html) / rabid GPL'er looking to help > > any way I can; I am specifically interested in advocacy and education. > > How can I help? > > Dan, > > Thank you for your interest in helping the GNU Project! > > The best way to get started is to contact the folks on the education > mailing list to see if they need help. There's been an upswing in > activity lately so it's a good time to get involved. I'll cc the list > to get the ball rolling. > > Please let us (gvc@gnu.org) know if we can be of further help. > > Regards, > The GNU Project Volunteer Coordinators > > PS. If you'd like to stay in touch with the GNU project, please > subscribe to the info-gnu mailing list at > http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnu. It's a low-traffic > list with news and announcements about the GNU project. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Edu-fr mailing list > Edu-fr@gnu.org > http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-fr > -- OFSET - http://www.ofset.org Free the teacher with the Freeduc-cd - http://www.ofset.org/projects/edusoft/edusoft.html --=.D?).Ym9v9u0i1N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+S714SAvrR6lz6PQRAsoaAJ9H/8k4ez55JnjytGvnAg+luKZ/VACdGTGu JYtACqTZlkF2aviHjR9cyC4= =eyEd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.D?).Ym9v9u0i1N--