From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Aug 01 17:15:12 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IGLXE-0005Sg-Oi for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:15:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IGLXC-0005Rz-9K for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:15:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IGLXA-0005Rk-M0 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:15:09 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGLXA-0005Rh-Gy; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:15:08 -0400 Received: from tallyho.bytemark.co.uk ([80.68.81.166]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IGLXA-0003L2-2C; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:15:08 -0400 Received: from 80-68-82-82.no-reverse-dns-set.bytemark.co.uk ([80.68.82.82] helo=whoosh.onomatopoeia.lan) by tallyho.bytemark.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IGLX5-0006uy-SP; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:15:06 +0100 Received: from simon by whoosh.onomatopoeia.lan with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IGLX2-00030R-4P; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:15:00 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 22:15:00 +0100 From: Simon Ward To: man-lug@lists.manchester.ac.uk Message-ID: <20070801211500.GB9375@whoosh.onomatopoeia.lan> Mail-Followup-To: man-lug@lists.manchester.ac.uk, linux-users@lists.manchester.ac.uk, fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org, gwanno@gnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 Cc: linux-users@lists.manchester.ac.uk, gwanno@gnu.org, fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] ManLUG social: 3rd August X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:15:11 -0000 --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It=E2=80=99s a bit late, announcing the ManLUG social... As normally happens on the first Friday of the month, some of us from ManLUG will be meeting up for drinks and curry on Friday 3rd August. The meeting place is Hardy=E2=80=99s Well pub[1], situated on Wilmslow Road= in Rusholme, from around 19:30. We usually have a couple of drinks, then head off for food. [1] http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/20/2009/Hardys_Well/Rusholme One of us will usually be wearing a geeky t-shirt of some description (I should be wearing a debian/rules t-shirt, with standard swirl on the front), so we should be easy to find. If you send me a private mail, I can also give you a contact number. Simon --=20 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. =E2=80=94 John Gaule --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGsPfTj6/6lS/XEIoRAiRlAJ0b9VJU0PWQRYhqwqpufxSX4jVisQCdGDkz jT1VEkJ25fmUCViJ2Q0nZJs= =FlBT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50-- From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Aug 02 14:42:11 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IGfch-0006ch-5D for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:42:11 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IGfcf-0006c5-EH for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:42:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IGfcc-0006Zy-Pn for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:42:08 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGfcc-0006Zp-NT for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:42:06 -0400 Received: from sceptre.pobox.com ([207.106.133.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IGfcc-0001zL-CV for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:42:06 -0400 Received: from sceptre (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sceptre.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4ADD2F0; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (5ac1edb2.bb.sky.com [90.193.237.178]) by sceptre.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F2D6A996; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46B2257D.4050406@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:42:05 +0100 From: Matt Lee User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org, Man-lug X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig386ACBCF0EF42611CFAD46BA" X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Cc: Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] BBC DRM protest in Manchester X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:42:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig386ACBCF0EF42611CFAD46BA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's now official! http://www.defectivebydesign.org/BBCSignUpManchester I have some hazmat suits, and some helmets. I need a volunteer who is coming to be a liaison for anything that might need doing while I'm away. Best, matt --------------enig386ACBCF0EF42611CFAD46BA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGsiV9FJy8EZ1+gjMRAmnbAKDMyZidItleJVtPX2ny/bzwRwZwHQCglASU czbBWHunLk3csjlVsBPkCPg= =zz4i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig386ACBCF0EF42611CFAD46BA-- From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Aug 02 16:10:53 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IGh0X-0008J4-3Y for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:10:53 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IGh0U-0008Iq-TZ for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:10:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IGh0S-0008Ie-H2 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:10:49 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGh0S-0008Ib-CM for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:10:48 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.216] by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IGh0Q-0003Zq-JA; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:10:46 -0400 Message-ID: <46B23BFA.3060508@fsf.org> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:18:02 -0400 From: Joshua Gay User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Lee Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] BBC DRM protest in Manchester References: <46B2257D.4050406@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <46B2257D.4050406@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Cc: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org, Man-lug X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:10:51 -0000 If you could also all digg the story and sign-up on the page if you are going, that would be great! Thanks so much, everyone. -Josh. From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Aug 05 12:09:03 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IHif9-00079T-Aw for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:09:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IHif7-00079O-Kp for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:09:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IHif2-00079C-WB for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:09:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IHif2-000799-R2 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:08:56 -0400 Received: from [209.85.146.183] (helo=wa-out-1112.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IHif0-0004oz-M9 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:08:55 -0400 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so1660587waf for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:06:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=sv+CjxczId4YYDtb3uWJP2sZf2K7jRigS9FsIek3s74mNWoByw+9eYbMj6v+utQDlolmIdG6A8t5Y3bFqqpl9Lu+Dj0XBquPLECOKFSg48z8CV7McuYKrrXowAYpvQfRVnE/UmEYoYzenHpboFWWJhkGGNevtNoQ8JW3mQZtugw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=eh2GDak5TqdwjCXRCBeZzIYDB7mGJg/cbPFKlf1mlJltLIBAI6glhenWnuM25bKSfhBxOaH29jv/R4UmelEUyr555QW+qo42+40AF6J+jgklDXHPerL1HB8IsS2KDe/9FhX5uSGcPJdfwy+vn/NgJ0CERq7GGWF4oPKOoJrXi2o= Received: by 10.114.89.1 with SMTP id m1mr4813770wab.1186330004410; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.158.8 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2ce79f180708050906g46b97495tae67facc3d2d60c5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:06:44 +0100 From: "victoria sinclair" To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_99966_2213348.1186330004390" X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] Generate Project X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 16:09:01 -0000 ------=_Part_99966_2213348.1186330004390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline We would like to announce the launch of Ponto de Cultura, Manchester at the Generate Project in Hulme Park and Zion Centre 7th to 9th Sept. This will mark the exciting new beginning of increased education in FOSS for persons in Greater Manchester and we really would like your support and presence. For more information please look at www.generateproject.org - - this website is under construction and will be growing lots in future weeks we will be offering free workshops in computer reconditioning, installing LINUX and much more if you would like to help out or want to find more about the project please email vickysinclair@gmail.com thanks! -- Victoria Sinclair (Project Manager Generate Project) ------=_Part_99966_2213348.1186330004390 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
We would like to announce the launch of Ponto de Cultura, Manchester at the Generate Project in Hulme Park and Zion Centre 7th to 9th Sept.  This will mark the exciting new beginning of increased education in FOSS for persons in Greater Manchester and we really would like your support and presence.

For more information please look at www.generateproject.org - - this website is under construction and will be growing lots in future weeks

we will be offering free workshops in computer reconditioning, installing LINUX and much more

if you would like to help out or want to find more about the project please email vickysinclair@gmail.com

thanks!
--
Victoria Sinclair (Project Manager Generate Project) ------=_Part_99966_2213348.1186330004390-- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Aug 06 17:37:18 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IIAGM-0007Jg-DO for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:37:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IIAGL-0007Jb-4D for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:37:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IIAGH-0007Ix-Bn for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:37:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIAGH-0007Iu-5F for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:37:13 -0400 Received: from relay1.prodigynet.co.uk ([213.232.80.11] helo=prodigynet.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IIAGE-0005RZ-Ax for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:37:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk [213.232.83.67]) by prodigynet.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l76La6KG005328 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:36:11 +0100 From: Peter Colton Organization: www.bissybox.com To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:34:32 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708062234.33650.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] BBC iplayer - " Digical Restriction Management " X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 21:37:17 -0000 Hello list, I hope some one's can help to shed some light on to the subject of : BBC iplayer - " Digical Restriction Management " Am I right in calling " DRM " - " Digical Restriction Management " ? #------------------------------------------------------------------ Why is BBC iplayer so bad for a microsoft user ? Can some on fill in the geps here plaese. Why is BBC iplayer so bad for a gnu/linux user ? Can some on fill in the geps here plaese. Why is BBC iplayer so bad for a Mac user ? Can some on fill in the geps here plaese. #------------------------------------------------------------------- I hope some of the geps above can be filled to help myself and other on this list to get a better under standing of " DRM ". Sorry that I can not able at the moment fill in any of the gaps. This is because of my lack of under standing on the above subject. Regards peter colton From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Aug 06 18:19:37 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IIAvJ-0002yv-Na for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:19:37 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IIAvI-0002yo-Ny for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:19:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IIAvG-0002yL-4F for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:19:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIAvF-0002yI-Ty for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:19:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.216] by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IIAvB-0003OV-Pu; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:19:29 -0400 Message-ID: <46B7A048.4080105@fsf.org> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:27:20 -0400 From: Joshua Gay User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Colton Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] BBC iplayer - " Digical Restriction Management " References: <200708062234.33650.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> In-Reply-To: <200708062234.33650.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Cc: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:19:36 -0000 Hi Peter, Digital Rights Management is the original term, but Richard Stallman and the Free Software Foundation popularized the alternative, Digital Restrictions Management to stress that although it is "rights" management for the author, it is restrictions management for the user. The BBC is using DRM and as a consequence they are creating many restrictions on how the user can stream their video content. First the BBC iPlayer uses proprietary standards and software controlled by Microsoft. Thus, people must enter a contractual agreement to use the iPlayer. Secondly they must agree to use proprietary software that has access to their personal data and personal computer with two way communications with a Microsoft built server system. Now, the important thing here isn't some paranoid trust issue that Microsoft or the BBC may try to exploit a user, it's that users must needlessly put their data at risk by using software built by a company that has continually built virus-friendly products that are often exploitable by third-party web based applications -- I hope that doesn't come across as an ad hominem attack, but one on the actual software track record. Now, once Microsoft does support your operating system, and your version of it thereof, and they have a working installer for it, or the appropriate update to your system, you do not have free reign to stream and use the media however you wish. You are not allowed to record a show to watch later on or to share it with friends or a school room, like you might do with a video cassette. Instead, you are restricted to watch it at the resolution and at the time that the BBC has allowed you to. This may seem like a minor thing, but, the fact is if you had to buy a BBC/Microsoft brand television and VCR in addition to paying your 'television tax,' you might be a little annoyed. That leads me to another important question: if most people in the UK already pay a tax for the BBC, why should their be a hidden Microsoft tax as well? The solution to the iPlayer is simple. Just say no to DRM. Stream media in an open standard like Ogg Theora, which although patented, has no restrictions on how anybody uses it, and it costs nothing. It's efficient, free, and an out of the box solution. Also, it lets people use whatever software they like to view it -- for instance, VLC Media Player works on every major operating system and supports both free and proprietary streaming formats. Say not to a hidden Microsoft tax. On an aside note, most people who have defended the user of DRM and the deal with Microsoft have attempted to argue on a tit-for-tat platform. They say that it is OK to give up all these freedoms just to make sure foreigners and those who do not pay a tax for ad-free materials are not allowed the same, albeit limited, freedoms that those who do pay the tax are given. This argument is absurd on more levels than I care to argue with. Sorry if that answer was a bit exhausting and/or confusing :-) -Josh Campaigns Manager Free Software Foundation From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Aug 06 22:17:57 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IIEdx-0000Mr-3u for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:17:57 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IIEdv-0000MY-J6 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:17:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IIEdp-0000MM-J6 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:17:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIEdp-0000MJ-Cu for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:17:49 -0400 Received: from relay1.prodigynet.co.uk ([213.232.80.11] helo=prodigynet.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IIEdm-0007Ds-Ue for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:17:48 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk [213.232.83.67]) by prodigynet.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l772GfKG001075 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 03:16:47 +0100 From: Peter Colton Organization: www.bissybox.com To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] BBC iplayer - " Digical Restriction Management " Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 03:15:06 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <200708062234.33650.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> <46B7A048.4080105@fsf.org> In-Reply-To: <46B7A048.4080105@fsf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708070315.07324.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:17:55 -0000 On Monday 06 August 2007 23:27, Joshua Gay wrote: Hello Josh and thanks for time and reply. > Secondly they must agree to use proprietary software that has access to > their personal data and personal computer with two way communications > with a Microsoft built server system. So say that I have a xp Microsoft machine and I download the BBC iplayer. This machine must able to run DRM. To run DRM it must communicate with Microsoft and which in turn allows Microsoft access to this would be machine. By choir I can no say NO to this access if I want to use the BBC iplayer. Say that I am happy with this situation and I start to use the BBC iplayer to play the BBC on line audio and video media. DRM on this would be machine and Microsoft communication must be is a continual thing ? If I am on line this machine is speaking to Microsoft which in turn allow Microsoft access to what it wants on this xp machine ? If I am unhappy with this situation and I disable the DRM some how. I then will be given the problem that the BBC iplayer with not work ? Then the situation. I am out on the internet and I find a bit of software that I like and its free or cheap so I download it and then install this brilliant software find. Say this program can copy cd's. So go ahead and purchase it and install it. Could the situation turn up where I am not allowed to install this program because Microsoft see it as unfit for some reason ? Or this peace of free software I found is a cracked copy of a proprietary program. Could again the DRM and Microsoft relationship stop this goody from working ? Sorry if the above is tedious but I trying to get a basic understanding of DRM from my would be example above. Regards peter colton From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Aug 07 02:48:56 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IIIsC-0004am-EL for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:48:56 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IIIsB-0004aX-7l for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:48:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IIIs5-0004a0-Sq for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:48:54 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIIs5-0004Zu-HK for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:48:49 -0400 Received: from relay1.prodigynet.co.uk ([213.232.80.11] helo=prodigynet.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IIIrx-00046z-TZ for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:48:43 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk [213.232.83.67]) by prodigynet.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l776lcKG024491 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:47:45 +0100 From: Peter Colton Organization: www.bissybox.com To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:46:02 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708070746.02824.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] anti DRM campaign animation video X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:48:55 -0000 Hello list, I hope some one could give me a link for a " anti DRM campaign animation video ". It was made my a frenchman if I remember correctly. I saw it about a year a go. I have googled googled but I still can not I find it. The reason I need it is. If some one ask about DRM I could refer them to the video. Regards peter colton From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Aug 07 13:09:00 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IISYG-0005xE-RI for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:09:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IISYE-0005w0-N2 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:08:58 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IISY8-0005uf-8N for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:08:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IISY8-0005uc-04 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:08:52 -0400 Received: from [213.232.80.11] (helo=prodigynet.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IISY5-0003nW-Ew for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:08:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk [213.232.83.67]) by prodigynet.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l77H7hKG015224 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:07:49 +0100 From: Peter Colton Organization: www.bissybox.com To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:06:09 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708071806.09834.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] Whats the web link for fsuk-manchester X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:08:58 -0000 Hello list, As the subject line asks what is the web link for the group site. I need to bookmark it. Regards peter colton From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Aug 07 13:22:56 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IISlk-0001IV-5i for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:22:56 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IISlh-0001FO-SQ for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:22:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IISld-0001AY-C8 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:22:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IISld-0001AT-6w for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:22:49 -0400 Received: from tallyho.bytemark.co.uk ([80.68.81.166]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IISlb-0006JB-6F for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:22:47 -0400 Received: from 80-68-82-82.no-reverse-dns-set.bytemark.co.uk ([80.68.82.82] helo=whoosh.onomatopoeia.lan) by tallyho.bytemark.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IISlK-000742-5k for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:22:33 +0100 Received: from simon by whoosh.onomatopoeia.lan with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IISlC-0006P9-C0 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:22:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:22:22 +0100 From: Simon Ward To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Whats the web link for fsuk-manchester Message-ID: <20070807172222.GA20563@whoosh.onomatopoeia.lan> References: <200708071806.09834.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+QahgC5+KEYLbs62" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200708071806.09834.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:22:54 -0000 --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 06:06:09PM +0100, Peter Colton wrote: > As the subject line asks what is the web link for the group site. http://manchester.fsuk.org/ Simon --=20 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. =E2=80=94 John Gaule --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGuKpNj6/6lS/XEIoRAiNUAJ4nPi8dbAcvQPJj85WHCnAk6Zgs3wCfey58 5bW0Z3cUekZqgwO46s5xrRk= =3Faz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62-- From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Aug 09 08:42:12 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IJ7LA-0005HV-1t for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:42:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJ7L9-0005Fk-5B for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:42:11 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJ7L8-0005EE-BC for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:42:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJ7L8-0005Dz-5l for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:42:10 -0400 Received: from relay1.prodigynet.co.uk ([213.232.80.11] helo=prodigynet.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJ7L7-0003ms-L7 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:42:09 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk [213.232.83.67]) by prodigynet.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l79CfBKG018165 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:41:17 +0100 From: Peter Colton Organization: www.bissybox.com To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:39:28 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708091339.29426.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] Is Microsoft addictave ? X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:42:11 -0000 Hello all, Over last few days i been think the microsoft and iplayer over. With a bit to much of our leader's voice : fsfe-gplv3-richard-stallman.theora.ogg =46rom what I see with Richard veiw ofi free software and DRM. Is that they= can=20 work together but the user must be able go get DRM keys to unlock the DRM. As I see it the basic princeple of the freedom the software and one wants i= s=20 stopped if the user can not disable the DRM with it shipped with free=20 software. The microsoft user as no software freedoms. They just hope they get a deal. So when a microsoft user install iplayer its just rubbing the point home th= at=20 they are getting a bad deal. It must be like some kind of addiction that th= ey=20 have with microsoft. Its just billy boy that got the good stuff and his=20 subcontracter the BBC. It must be good because it cost lots of money. Regards peter colton =20 From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Aug 09 17:07:03 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IJFDj-0004wb-Et for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:07:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJFDi-0004vJ-0v for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:07:02 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJFDh-0004uJ-5j for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:07:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJFDh-0004u4-29 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:07:01 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.216] by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJFDg-0005rA-P9 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:07:00 -0400 Message-ID: <46BB83E6.9020605@fsf.org> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:15:18 -0400 From: Joshua Gay User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] Help for Protest X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:07:02 -0000 Hi, I was wondering if anybody will be: a) At the protest on the 14th in Manchester b) Willing to print fliers and materials this weekend or Monday to bring to the protest? -Josh From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Aug 09 18:38:12 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IJGdw-0007B3-5f for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:38:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJGdv-0007As-Dg for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:38:11 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJGdu-0007AD-AS for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:38:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJGdu-0007AA-4o for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:38:10 -0400 Received: from relay1.prodigynet.co.uk ([213.232.80.11] helo=prodigynet.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJGdt-00082h-LI for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:38:09 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk [213.232.83.67]) by prodigynet.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l79MbBKG005822 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:37:17 +0100 From: Peter Colton Organization: www.bissybox.com To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:37:54 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708092337.55157.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] Arguments against free software and DRM is a good thing X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:38:11 -0000 Hello all, No I have not gone mad. Whats below is the arguments that support the subject title :=20 " arguments against free software and DRM is a good thing " The text is a copy of a reply to subject title :=20 " Support Free Software - protest against BBC - Microsoft corruption " The copied text is from another mailing list that I keep the name to myself= =20 for the moment.=20 Just thought that you may be intrested seeing a pro DRM answer and why some= =20 one thinks that Microsoft is the centre of the world when it comes to=20 invovation in a digical age. Regards Peter Colton #--------------------------------------------------------------------------= =2D-------------------------------- Subject : Support Free Software - protest against BBC - Microsoft corruption Bit of a conflation of issues here. Why should software be free? It costs=20 a lot of money to develop and large teams of software developers need to=20 feed and clothe themselves. =20 The software market is a strange example of darwinian economics with a few= =20 small companies acting as an effective oligarchy whilst the rest struggle. =20 However as we saw with Web 2.0 and open source movements this isnt=20 forever. Arguably without Microsofy we would be about 10 years away from=20 where we are now in terms of web functionality which requires a degree of=20 uniformity and interoperability. =20 BBC need to DRM their content as everyone who pays =A3135 a year for=20 unlimited downloads (i.e. watching TV) is being ripped off by those who=20 chose not to and get it all for free off the net. I wouldnt be happy if I=20 had to pay to watch whilst some other guy ripped it all off for nothing.=20 If I was a programme maker I wouldnt sell to the BBC unless they had this=20 in place. We are talking about a different market to music here with much=20 more limited re-sale and reuse opportunities for programme makers. No-one=20 objects to not being allowed to record movies in the cinema, why should TV= =20 be any different? =20 As for free laptop software (OLPM) I am quite sure that it wouldnt take an= =20 enterprising programmer to knock out a DRM license compatable viewer in a=20 few weeks. =20 Not sure that this issue is worth supporting or has much political merit.=20 other methods of education? Having a laptop doesnt advance an education, good teaching does that and a stimulating environment, so if that is the main reason for having a go at the BBC then it is a bit weak in my opinion. =46ar better to have a go about their appalling outsourcing of programming, swingeing cuts in newsgathering and broadcasting staff and a whole host of more important issues. #--------------------------------------------------------------------------= =2D------------------------------------ From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Aug 09 20:10:44 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IJI5U-0005qy-4P for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:10:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJI5R-0005pc-OO for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:10:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJI5Q-0005oU-2v for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:10:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJI5P-0005oQ-Oy for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:10:39 -0400 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.188]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJI5P-0000Jy-BZ for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:10:39 -0400 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 19so1040699fkr for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:10:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XY1+4OFKQjZBDC6463bc1OdEh0ytmHhJ+q1U045J8odSwrDRwgRKjI4E5bf+P6ie1IK6h0FzV9JONU3CXwLlIpz/cSC6HRaONUh4Qsb2QnwdFEz/dvpJjc30ZwlTeFuFVBCbI/WDG8+EFUs4nycZzUMLKCxICiUHJMkRMMlHCds= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QOkxg78qhkO1EVG9nEILo4O4ODPp7EeMkxi/9+DSJP7Tu3rBHx98ufNpG/7kqCpgaLtqiFNYlvDly6cJ4bIrKLzaPSlfgrbjF2oP2n5n8lzeBx2XX5C+i8kEfkPSNCXbzeEvwSgy7tucBMSTqqUJpPpSPIISKfbnUoElP/9zADY= Received: by 10.82.151.14 with SMTP id y14mr4385922bud.1186704636216; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.116.18 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ea1c1180708091710n765a596idedbdd1e62b9114@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:10:36 +0100 From: "Noah Slater" To: "Joshua Gay" Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Help for Protest In-Reply-To: <46BB83E6.9020605@fsf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46BB83E6.9020605@fsf.org> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Cc: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:10:42 -0000 (Sorry, posted to Joshua privately first.) > I was wondering if anybody will be: > a) At the protest on the 14th in Manchester I am definately considering coming along. > b) Willing to print fliers and materials this weekend or Monday to > bring to the protest? What kind of printing do you want? I don't have access to a printer but do have a contact who works in a print shop, may be able to swing something. -- "Creativity can be a social contribution, but only in so far as society is free to use the results." - R. Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Aug 09 20:24:59 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IJIJH-0007mv-Pf for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:24:59 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJIJG-0007lZ-KL for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:24:58 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJIJF-0007kv-N3 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:24:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJIJF-0007ki-Id for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:24:57 -0400 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.190]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJIJE-00046S-Sa for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:24:57 -0400 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 19so1046309fkr for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:24:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WUBDtJKSSrcHvCvONos92rHcwNXNSdESJYh5uEURqaDNqDoZNe7+YYyFFFWp5dBvTprQU0S8YbrkWPWUWsZ9l9dhWWF+KcnZdwtegceoFIc/TLnIXocRd6SaYJae7y0HoX2eOq+h1jJORAAZo9HGUE5qJPDuHYkRvaTxQx6ujQY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TMymNzJTzoqoDVxImXC3bJa6T0Y2dRy53rNKTq8+1wwsXsDcLLVyT6cg4xJqWfuNXsoc6KlntaHaV3xBch6GkYi5JfjKhoU/JDHAt0KKyDuUrM61MBPKVk0+XKauFDhO9C2xcHrJ4cF7ZFII0APVjpVtDxNdSM4QqmOw5MUUgi4= Received: by 10.82.158.12 with SMTP id g12mr4275088bue.1186705490162; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.116.18 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ea1c1180708091724w145d5291oe27bd4be89997c17@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:24:50 +0100 From: "Noah Slater" To: "Peter Colton" Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Arguments against free software and DRM is a good thing In-Reply-To: <200708092337.55157.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200708092337.55157.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Cc: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:24:59 -0000 UGV0ZXIsCgpJJ20gbm90IHN1cmUgd2hhdCB0aGUgcHVycG9zZSBvZiB5b3VyIGVtYWlsIHdhcyAt IGl0IGZlZWxzIGEgYml0CnRyb2xsLWxpa2UsIGJ1dCBJIG1heSBiZSB0b3RhbGx5IHdyb25nLCBz byBwbGVhc2UgZXhjdXNlIG1lLgoKPiBCaXQgb2YgYSBjb25mbGF0aW9uIG9mIGlzc3VlcyBoZXJl LiBXaHkgc2hvdWxkIHNvZnR3YXJlIGJlIGZyZWU/IEl0IGNvc3RzCj4gYSBsb3Qgb2YgbW9uZXkg dG8gZGV2ZWxvcCBhbmQgbGFyZ2UgdGVhbXMgb2Ygc29mdHdhcmUgZGV2ZWxvcGVycyBuZWVkIHRv Cj4gZmVlZCBhbmQgY2xvdGhlIHRoZW1zZWx2ZXMuCgpUb3RhbGx5IGRpZmZlcmVudCBkZWZpbml0 aW9uIG9mICJmcmVlIiB0aGF0IHRoZSBGU0YuIFRoaXMgcGVyc29uIGlzCmVpdGhlciB2ZXJ5IGNv bmZ1c2VkIG9yIGlzIHRyeWluZyB0byBjb25mdXNlIG90aGVycy4KCj4gSG93ZXZlciBhcyB3ZSBz YXcgd2l0aCBXZWIgMi4wIGFuZCBvcGVuIHNvdXJjZSBtb3ZlbWVudHMgdGhpcyBpc250Cj4gZm9y ZXZlci4gQXJndWFibHkgd2l0aG91dCBNaWNyb3NvZnkgd2Ugd291bGQgYmUgYWJvdXQgMTAgeWVh cnMgYXdheSBmcm9tCj4gd2hlcmUgd2UgYXJlIG5vdyBpbiB0ZXJtcyBvZiB3ZWIgZnVuY3Rpb25h bGl0eSB3aGljaCByZXF1aXJlcyBhIGRlZ3JlZSBvZgo+IHVuaWZvcm1pdHkgYW5kIGludGVyb3Bl cmFiaWxpdHkuCgpUaGlzIGlzIHNvIGFic3VyZGx5IHVudHJ1ZSBpdCBhY3R1YWxseSBtYWRlIG1l IGxhdWdoIC0gdGhpcyBndXkgaXMKZWl0aGVyIGNvbXBsZXRlbHkgZGlzaWxsdXNpb25hbCBvciBp cyBtYWtlIGEgam9rZS4gSGUgY2FuJ3QgcG9zc2libHkKYmUgdHJ5aW5nIHRvIGNvbnZpbmNlIHBl b3BsZSBvZiB0aGlzLgoKTWljcm9zb2Z5IChzaWMpIGlzIG9uZSBvZiB0aGUgYmlnZ2VzdCBvYnN0 YWNsZXMgdG8gb2J0YWluaW5nCmludGVybmF0aW9uYWwgb3BlbiBzdGFuZGFyZHMgY29tcGxpYW5j ZS4KCj4gQkJDIG5lZWQgdG8gRFJNIHRoZWlyIGNvbnRlbnQgYXMgZXZlcnlvbmUgd2hvIHBheXMg wqMxMzUgYSB5ZWFyIGZvcgo+IHVubGltaXRlZCBkb3dubG9hZHMgKGkuZS4gd2F0Y2hpbmcgVFYp IGlzIGJlaW5nIHJpcHBlZCBvZmYgYnkgdGhvc2Ugd2hvCj4gY2hvc2Ugbm90IHRvIGFuZCBnZXQg aXQgYWxsIGZvciBmcmVlIG9mZiB0aGUgbmV0LiBJIHdvdWxkbnQgYmUgaGFwcHkgaWYgSQo+IGhh ZCB0byBwYXkgdG8gd2F0Y2ggd2hpbHN0IHNvbWUgb3RoZXIgZ3V5IHJpcHBlZCBpdCBhbGwgb2Zm IGZvciBub3RoaW5nLgoKVGhpcyBpcyBhbHNvIGNvbXBsZXRlbHkgbWlzbGVhZGluZyAtIHRoZSBC QkMgYXJlIG5vdCBwcm92aWRpbmcgYSB3ZWIKYmFzZWQgdmVyc2lvbiBvZiBhbGwgb2YgdGhlIGF2 YWlsYWJsZSBjaGFubmVscy4gQWxzbywgSSB0aGluayB0aGV5IGFyZQpsaW1pdGluZyBpdCB0byBs aWNlbmNlIHBheWVycyAtIGJ1dCBJIG1heSBiZSBjb21wbGV0ZWx5IHdyb25nIG9uIHRoYXQKY291 bnQuCgo+IElmIEkgd2FzIGEgcHJvZ3JhbW1lIG1ha2VyIEkgd291bGRudCBzZWxsIHRvIHRoZSBC QkMgdW5sZXNzIHRoZXkgaGFkIHRoaXMKPiBpbiBwbGFjZS4KCkFuZCBoaXMgcG9pbnQgaXM/Cgo+ IFdlIGFyZSB0YWxraW5nIGFib3V0IGEgZGlmZmVyZW50IG1hcmtldCB0byBtdXNpYyBoZXJlIHdp dGggbXVjaAo+IG1vcmUgbGltaXRlZCByZS1zYWxlIGFuZCByZXVzZSBvcHBvcnR1bml0aWVzIGZv ciBwcm9ncmFtbWUgbWFrZXJzLgoKSG93IHdvdWxkIHRoaXMgYWN0dWFsbHkgaGFybSB0aGUgcmUt c2FsZSBhbmQgcmV1c2Ugb3Bwb3J0dW5pdGllcyBmb3IKcHJvZ3JhbW1lIG1ha2Vycz8gVGhpcyBz dGF0ZW1lbnQgaXMgY29tcGxldGVseSBpcnJlbGV2YW50ICB0byB0aGUKcG9pbnQgdGhlIHBlcnNv biBpcyBtYWtpbmcuCgo+IE5vLW9uZSBvYmplY3RzIHRvIG5vdCBiZWluZyBhbGxvd2VkIHRvIHJl Y29yZCBtb3ZpZXMgaW4gdGhlIGNpbmVtYSwgd2h5Cj4gc2hvdWxkIFRWICBiZSBhbnkgZGlmZmVy ZW50PwoKRG9lcyB0aGlzIHBlcnNvbiBoYXZlIGZpZ3VyZXMgdG8gYmFjayB1cCB0aGF0IHN0YXRl bWVudD8gSW4gZWl0aGVyCmNhc2UgLSBJIGFtIHBlcmZlY3RseSB3aXRoaW4gbXkgcmlnaHRzIChh cyBzZXR0bGVkIGJ5IGNvdXJ0IGluIHRoZQo4MCdzIHdpdGggdGhlIGFkdmVudCBvZiBWSFMpIHRv IHJlY29yZCBUViBwcm9ncmFtbWVzIC0gc28gaWYgYW55dGhpbmcKdGhpcyBpcyBjb3VudGVyIHBy b2R1Y3RpdmUgdG8gdGhlIHBvaW50IHRoaXMgcGVyc29uIGlzIHRyeWluZyB0byBtYWtlLgoKPiBB cyBmb3IgZnJlZSBsYXB0b3Agc29mdHdhcmUgKE9MUE0pIEkgYW0gcXVpdGUgc3VyZSB0aGF0IGl0 IHdvdWxkbnQgdGFrZSBhbgo+IGVudGVycHJpc2luZyBwcm9ncmFtbWVyIHRvIGtub2NrIG91dCBh IERSTSBsaWNlbnNlIGNvbXBhdGFibGUgdmlld2VyIGluIGEKPiBmZXcgd2Vla3MuCgpXaGF0IGRv ZXMgdGhpcyBldmVuIG1lYW4/Cgo+IE5vdCBzdXJlIHRoYXQgdGhpcyBpc3N1ZSBpcyB3b3J0aCBz dXBwb3J0aW5nIG9yIGhhcyBtdWNoIHBvbGl0aWNhbCBtZXJpdC4KCkZhc2NpbmF0aW5nLCB0aGFu a3MgZm9yIHNoYXJpbmcgdGhpcyBvcGluaW9uLiBJIHJlYWxseSBmYW5jeSBzb21lCnBhc3RhIGZv ciBkaW5uZXIgdG9uaWdodC4gU29ycnksIGRpZCBoZSAvaGF2ZS8gYSBwb2ludD8KCj4gb3RoZXIg bWV0aG9kcyBvZiBlZHVjYXRpb24/IEhhdmluZyBhIGxhcHRvcCBkb2VzbnQgYWR2YW5jZSBhbiBl ZHVjYXRpb24sCgpObywgYW5kIG5laXRoZXIgZG9lcyBnb29kIHRleHQgYm9va3MsIGZpZWxkIHRy aXBzLCB2YXJpZWQgY3VycmljdWx1bSwKd3JpdGluZyBtYXRlcmlhbCwgYSBnb29kIHNwb3J0cyBo YWxsIG9yIGZ1bGwgdGltZSB0ZWFjaGVycy4gR2l2ZSBtZSBhCmJyZWFrLgoKPiBnb29kIHRlYWNo aW5nIGRvZXMgdGhhdCBhbmQgYSBzdGltdWxhdGluZyBlbnZpcm9ubWVudCwgc28gaWYgdGhhdCBp cyB0aGUKPiBtYWluIHJlYXNvbiBmb3IgaGF2aW5nIGEgZ28gYXQgdGhlIEJCQyB0aGVuIGl0IGlz IGEgYml0IHdlYWsgaW4gbXkgb3Bpbmlvbi4KClJpZ2h0LCBzbyB0aGUgcmVhc29uIHRoYXQgZWR1 Y2F0aW9uIGluIHRoZSBwb29yZXN0IHBhcnRzIG9mIEFmcmljYSBpcwpmYWlsaW5nIHRoZSBuZXh0 IGdlbmVyYXRpb24gb2YgY2hpbGRyZW4gYmVjYXVzZSBhbGwgdGhlIEFmcmljYW4KdGVhY2hlcnMg YXJlIHRlcnJpYmxlIGF0IHRoZWlyIGpvYiAtIGl0IGhhcyBub3RoaW5nIHRvIGRvIHdpdGggdGhl CnJlc291cmNlcyBhbmQgdGVhY2hpbmcgZXF1aXBtZW50IGF2YWlsYWJsZS4KCj4gRmFyIGJldHRl ciB0byBoYXZlIGEgZ28gYWJvdXQgdGhlaXIgYXBwYWxsaW5nIG91dHNvdXJjaW5nIG9mIHByb2dy YW1taW5nLAo+IHN3aW5nZWluZyBjdXRzIGluIG5ld3NnYXRoZXJpbmcgYW5kIGJyb2FkY2FzdGlu ZyBzdGFmZiBhbmQgYSB3aG9sZSBob3N0Cj4gb2YgbW9yZSBpbXBvcnRhbnQgaXNzdWVzLgoKQWxz bywgQUlEUywgbWlsaXRhbnQgcmFwZSBpbiB0aGUgbWlkZGxlIGVhc3QsIGdsb2JhbCB3YXJtaW5n LCB3b21lbgphYnVzZSwgdG9ydHVyZSwgdG90YWxpdGFyaWFuIGRpY3RhdG9yc2hpcHMsIHRoZSBj dXJlIGZvciBjYW5jZXIgYW5kCnZhcmlvdXMgb3RoZXIgdGhpbmdzIGFyZSBhbHNvIHZlcnkgaW1w b3J0YW50IC0gbGV0cyBhbGwgc3RvcCB3aGF0CndlJ3JlIGRvaW5nIHVudGlsIC9hbGwvIG9mIHRo ZXNlIGFyZSBzb2x2ZWQgZmlyc3QuCgpOb2FoCgotLSAKIkNyZWF0aXZpdHkgY2FuIGJlIGEgc29j aWFsIGNvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbiwgYnV0IG9ubHkgaW4gc28KZmFyIGFzIHNvY2lldHkgaXMgZnJlZSB0 byB1c2UgdGhlIHJlc3VsdHMuIiAtIFIuIFN0YWxsbWFuCg== From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Aug 10 05:23:07 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IJQi2-00073B-AJ for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:23:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJQi0-00072L-IZ for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:23:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJQhy-00071X-8y for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:23:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJQhx-00071K-Bs for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:23:01 -0400 Received: from relay1.prodigynet.co.uk ([213.232.80.11] helo=prodigynet.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJQhx-0002Fp-0x for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:23:01 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk [213.232.83.67]) by prodigynet.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l7A9LrKG002086 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:22:06 +0100 From: Peter Colton Organization: www.bissybox.com To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] anti DRM campaign animation video Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:22:32 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <200708070746.02824.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> In-Reply-To: <200708070746.02824.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708101022.33299.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:23:05 -0000 Hello list, I have found the anti DRM animation video that I was looking for. So here is the link for " Trusted Computing " http://www.lafkon.net/tc/ Regards peter colton From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Aug 10 06:16:33 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IJRXl-0004fF-10 for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:16:33 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJRXj-0004f8-5H for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:16:31 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJRXh-0004es-L6 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:16:30 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJRXh-0004ep-FV for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:16:29 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJRXh-0005ql-72 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:16:29 -0400 Received: from mattl by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJRai-00008n-C4; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:19:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:19:36 -0400 To: Noah Slater Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Arguments against free software and DRM is a good thing Message-ID: <20070810101936.GA23991@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <200708092337.55157.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> <9ea1c1180708091724w145d5291oe27bd4be89997c17@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9ea1c1180708091724w145d5291oe27bd4be89997c17@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 From: Matt Lee X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Cc: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:16:31 -0000 On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 01:24:50AM +0100, Noah Slater wrote: > I'm not sure what the purpose of your email was - it feels a bit > troll-like, but I may be totally wrong, so please excuse me. Maybe I'm reading it differently, but I thought Peter was quoting someone else on a list. matt -- Matt Lee Chief Webmaster, GNU Project - http://www.gnu.org/ - Free as in Freedom Free Software Foundation - Free Software, Free Society - http://www.fsf.org/ From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Aug 10 06:39:29 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IJRtx-0008Dy-D5 for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:39:29 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJRtw-0008Dj-Fk for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:39:28 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJRtu-0008DB-Tj for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:39:28 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJRtu-0008D0-Hv for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:39:26 -0400 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.186]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJRtt-0002xj-Md for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:39:26 -0400 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 19so1228802fkr for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:39:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ERE2Z7wXgJGVRgM0PtN12WgBbWw4cExR/PIpmCDfAM2rzQCwHAwjEEAuF1I83ecWQuhtHh3LX3nju9YIqLovhNIAUO3bfi0rEVq91Q4qD6ztD3gZZpzeFgN5Y/2My3ESiaiid0nCPHYr2w1Jzm/8aJVkWzTwaFxc+EjBNwl02WA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Dt/2iFC0JnxrDoNRc5gVnBFGOR9OQEJ0Ep4FnnaUaCXVhtitzpVIrgWE96tQrFsJ7UutCfSEsZrNsSeGLft61LAj/dNEABq2YwrSUlyaJRW0WhqkjYipj1DlY5n9m7Fsuu7opAjiiAxRY1vrS/HvfMBxJzKypxPizqCUO93dr4I= Received: by 10.82.106.14 with SMTP id e14mr3575275buc.1186742364323; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.116.18 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ea1c1180708100339l5dc4225icbb528408559f55b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:39:24 +0100 From: "Noah Slater" To: "Matt Lee" Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Arguments against free software and DRM is a good thing In-Reply-To: <20070810101936.GA23991@fencepost.gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200708092337.55157.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> <9ea1c1180708091724w145d5291oe27bd4be89997c17@mail.gmail.com> <20070810101936.GA23991@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Cc: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:39:28 -0000 > Maybe I'm reading it differently, but I thought Peter was quoting > someone else on a list. He doesn't give the name of the sender or name of the list, why not just link the message in question? Combined with previous emails that all seem to be designed to bring the advocate out in someone - I don't know, just sends up a red flag for me. Google for "Ilias Lazaridis" for previous experience that has conditioned me this way. Like I said, I may be wrong - so my most humblest apologies if this is the case. -- "Creativity can be a social contribution, but only in so far as society is free to use the results." - R. Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Aug 11 05:19:46 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IJn8M-0000Jx-0p for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:19:46 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJn8J-0000Jo-SO for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:19:44 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJn8I-0000JT-Tn for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:19:43 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJn8I-0000JQ-N8 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:19:42 -0400 Received: from relay1.prodigynet.co.uk ([213.232.80.11] helo=prodigynet.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJn8I-0001b1-93 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:19:42 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.50] (213-232-83-130.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk [213.232.83.130]) by prodigynet.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l7B9IfKG032209 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:18:46 +0100 From: Nigel Rolland Organization: http://nigel-wiki.no-ip.co.uk To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:19:24 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708111019.24394.nigel@n-rolland.prodigynet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] Re: DRM protest and introduction X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:19:44 -0000 hello I am Nigel and I am a Debian home user, I have been using free software since 2004. After attending an install workshop run by James Wallbank from Sheffield which was held at the basement social centre as a part of the Futuresonic 2004 festival, I gained the confidence to ditch windows and install Mandriva Linux. I have since moved to Debian and I have never looked back, for me free software is a liberating and enabling idea as well as being far superior software to Microsoft. I work as a Housing manager for a small Tenant management Organisation in Harpurhey North manchester, unfortunately we have to use proprietary Software as we are contracted to use the Comino (Civica) database systems used by Manchester City Council and other Social Housing Agencies in the city. I spend most of my spare time in political activities, I am an active member of the Green Party and several single issue campaigns and local community organisations. I recently sent out a mailing about the DRM protests in London and manchester to several different green Party mailing lists and unfortunately I received a few negative replies from people who either did not understand the issues involved in DRM or do not sympathise with the campaign against DRM. One of these replies from a person called Richard was posted onto the mailing list by Peter Colton who is a long term associate and close friend of mine after I had forwarded it to Peter to help me to respond to the comments in the email. I am sorry if the posting of this email onto the list (out of context) has caused any confusion to members of the mailing list. Thanks to Josh and Noah for your comments which have been very useful to me in responding to negative comments about the anti DRM protest. I will be at the protest and will try to bring some placards/ banners as well as a loud megaphone so that we can make some noise outside the BBC In Solidarity Nigel Rolland From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Aug 11 05:25:21 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IJnDj-0001BK-Hp for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:25:19 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJnDh-0001AG-GU for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:25:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJnDf-00018w-Nm for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:25:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJnDf-00018Z-9x for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:25:15 -0400 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.189]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJnDe-0002Zz-VE for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:25:15 -0400 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 19so1710635fkr for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 02:25:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QC9hyikR/zWxR6YqCbJgOYBy0HZakCQHn+2LuQO7t87fceizYf3xK+HgMMMFwQ4+S3fitLjdD77eVaU1Fybrw/DfchCQH/Rb02HyQMd3rT6c+eDeSAB7NOPr4AfR6oq6Ou936sbXUqiGd8mOa00pSgZ3V7GRg+Q5wghsVhQbiVE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sIBi43eeCBvY+J9jQ3hRcODRtXlyIcp+zsN4UWEg8CapcRrHM/eodKKnVfv4TnORPqhlU9mS69qE6NUhVOzm9mus1hxoxCjvlUxSG2GFdGi2vo16TiPXDE1m8FuPzBdUbNyenlaMSh/geD4qUdWpibfC5NcTn8kK5TeCF3Eq5XI= Received: by 10.82.134.12 with SMTP id h12mr4850260bud.1186824312959; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 02:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.116.18 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 02:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ea1c1180708110225r71d8ea9bp42315200f467a794@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:25:12 +0100 From: "Noah Slater" To: "Nigel Rolland" Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Re: DRM protest and introduction In-Reply-To: <200708111019.24394.nigel@n-rolland.prodigynet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200708111019.24394.nigel@n-rolland.prodigynet.co.uk> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Cc: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:25:18 -0000 > I am sorry if the posting of this email onto the list (out of context) has > caused any confusion to members of the mailing list. Please accept my apologies - it's hard to tell sometimes if people aren't trying to wind you up on purpose. Your explanation makes perfect sense. > I will be at the protest and will try to bring some placards/ banners as well > as a loud megaphone so that we can make some noise outside the BBC I'm planning to come to the protest as well - is there anything we need to bring? How many people are going to be there? What's the schedule of events? I am a little disappointed with the way this has been managed so far - the defective by design website fails to give /any/ details whatsoever, has the date wrong on the site and sent me a separately wrong date by email. The organisers have been incommunicado despite numerous attempts to ask questions. Just a few details, expected turn out and requirements for coming would be nice. Anyone have any ideas who I should ask now? Thanks, Noah -- "Creativity can be a social contribution, but only in so far as society is free to use the results." - R. Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Aug 11 07:58:55 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IJpcM-000837-To for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:58:54 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJpcL-000822-Qa for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:58:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJpcK-00080Q-AJ for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:58:53 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJpcK-00080N-4o for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:58:52 -0400 Received: from rune.pobox.com ([208.210.124.79]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJpcJ-0004H8-PW for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:58:51 -0400 Received: from rune (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rune.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392D511B9FB; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [81.163.101.157] (unknown [81.163.101.157]) by rune.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4A811B5DB; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46BDA47F.2030104@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:58:55 +0200 From: Matt Lee User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Noah Slater Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Re: DRM protest and introduction References: <200708111019.24394.nigel@n-rolland.prodigynet.co.uk> <9ea1c1180708110225r71d8ea9bp42315200f467a794@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ea1c1180708110225r71d8ea9bp42315200f467a794@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigDA95567BDB1BDCDBF8D7048E" X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 Cc: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:58:54 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigDA95567BDB1BDCDBF8D7048E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Noah Slater wrote: > I am a little disappointed with the way this has been managed so far - > the defective by design website fails to give /any/ details > whatsoever, has the date wrong on the site and sent me a separately > wrong date by email. The organisers have been incommunicado despite > numerous attempts to ask questions. >=20 > Just a few details, expected turn out and requirements for coming would= be nice. Noah, Sorry about this. I've been out of the country (I still am). Right now, we need someone to get printed materials together? Are you able to do this? jgay@fsf.org is the person to contact. On Tuesday, what time will you get to Manchester? matt --------------enigDA95567BDB1BDCDBF8D7048E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGvaR/FJy8EZ1+gjMRAoI5AJ9BG/ByT2CbijsLyBQlSUzGnLg/YwCePZ0C 5IQLuLFYUWlRUtKSnzz7HQk= =HUJz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigDA95567BDB1BDCDBF8D7048E-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Aug 11 08:08:11 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IJplL-0006cK-8b for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:08:11 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJplJ-0006c2-4e for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:08:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJplF-0006bl-O4 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:08:07 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJplF-0006bi-IA for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:08:05 -0400 Received: from relay1.prodigynet.co.uk ([213.232.80.11] helo=prodigynet.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJplF-0007g2-0v for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:08:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.50] (213-232-83-130.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk [213.232.83.130]) by prodigynet.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l7BC75KG018467 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:07:10 +0100 From: Nigel Rolland Organization: http://nigel-wiki.no-ip.co.uk To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Help for Protest Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:07:53 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <46BB83E6.9020605@fsf.org> In-Reply-To: <46BB83E6.9020605@fsf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708111307.53296.nigel@n-rolland.prodigynet.co.uk> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:08:09 -0000 Hi I am willing to help print some leaflets Do you have a drafted leaflet? can this be circulated as an attachment on the mailing list and then maybe more of us could help print leaflets! A5 flyers are better then you can get 2 leaflets per A4 sheet double sided if possible. in Solidarity Nigel Rolland On Thursday 09 August 2007 22:15, Joshua Gay wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if anybody will be: > a) At the protest on the 14th in Manchester > b) Willing to print fliers and materials this weekend or Monday to > bring to the protest? > > -Josh > > > _______________________________________________ > Fsuk-manchester mailing list > Fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsuk-manchester From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Aug 11 08:08:46 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IJplu-0006gV-G1 for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:08:46 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJplt-0006gJ-5P for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:08:45 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJplr-0006g6-MN for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:08:44 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJplr-0006g2-Fd for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:08:43 -0400 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.190]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJplr-0007ov-2g for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:08:43 -0400 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 19so1751972fkr for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:08:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SBI74vL4pGioFO1eJGqh5sH+Ng6f67nG47SrIzzFUXFYaBZBaONcPwwFGUM2EeFwtX1g3+zTRaTbnyDejAiFH1wmGr47HwvBP6fluo3vn+81t6CcHu9AX8EQyZW4V8hFyu+WvHbDtTfVBKajcDujaq7gvRj0SKvsRbmr3B+e+I4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FpTNRhebqXuNk12XfW3MeJk3+bA75vTL5HoOFVz4Ejhf6wgK0vtBIumUJsGx5tV3Aa+4Rc511tblvRuUMB4z3dOXDW1Hwrz/rQ0Yut1uoluevlQrg+TIjKCR1ydwWRdD6IWspofi97g0ZYoxJlrLXsUysHhmD5y3YgC/wfzlKag= Received: by 10.82.170.2 with SMTP id s2mr4970903bue.1186834121357; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.116.18 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ea1c1180708110508q6c14b03cr8ac6e0c1736d3a04@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:08:41 +0100 From: "Noah Slater" To: "Matt Lee" Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Re: DRM protest and introduction In-Reply-To: <46BDA47F.2030104@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200708111019.24394.nigel@n-rolland.prodigynet.co.uk> <9ea1c1180708110225r71d8ea9bp42315200f467a794@mail.gmail.com> <46BDA47F.2030104@gnu.org> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Cc: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:08:45 -0000 > Right now, we need someone to get printed materials together? Are you > able to do this? jgay@fsf.org is the person to contact. This is the first someone has expressed an interest in me sorting out print materials - I have a contact in a print shop who owes me a few favours - but I am doubting that one day is enough to get anything done. I will ask him today when he picks up. > On Tuesday, what time will you get to Manchester? I get there there whenever - bringing a friend. Also coming with my camera to take photos if you guys want to use them for promotional stuff. Will there be enough hazmat suits for everyone? What about placards and stuff? -- "Creativity can be a social contribution, but only in so far as society is free to use the results." - R. Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Aug 11 08:19:35 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IJpwN-000431-4c for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:19:35 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJpwM-00042w-6B for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:19:34 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJpwJ-00042k-RR for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:19:32 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJpwJ-00042h-MX for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:19:31 -0400 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.185]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJpwJ-0001rb-Ai for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:19:31 -0400 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 19so1754856fkr for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:19:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AN2vBScdN6IjnY5O7HW7I8rUMBbkBX8eZei4jofZMJxJ6xdqyqJmYURGKJG+Wuw0wZzZ6BUXOaBEOwizE7MEoYanoNAan//NV4o7kp1fgdOvxBe1UI459lLxLDMF+sWN4aYrUTB/9He+NT6SIWkyXF1EmYfVuETAUPQaNRjiGqY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AjJYyjqC36X+BNeESEPX3A4L+45OtJe49wfZr2ZNRL97qiN3Q8amwsdZO3bn7Zffb2NopSRH0ovJCbptS/UeoAZPMSJWOBevTH1gUUXke4eIpaNjcp98bPhwDN1u1rTcOWQ5GAPSr/CH50cHkbq8mM5E8ayCXCK9+nHY16xPtL0= Received: by 10.82.181.10 with SMTP id d10mr4991759buf.1186834769906; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.116.18 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ea1c1180708110519y73d7f6d1md0569b5ff488b23c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:19:29 +0100 From: "Noah Slater" To: "Matt Lee" Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Re: DRM protest and introduction In-Reply-To: <9ea1c1180708110508q6c14b03cr8ac6e0c1736d3a04@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200708111019.24394.nigel@n-rolland.prodigynet.co.uk> <9ea1c1180708110225r71d8ea9bp42315200f467a794@mail.gmail.com> <46BDA47F.2030104@gnu.org> <9ea1c1180708110508q6c14b03cr8ac6e0c1736d3a04@mail.gmail.com> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Cc: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:19:34 -0000 > > Right now, we need someone to get printed materials together? Are you > > able to do this? jgay@fsf.org is the person to contact. Just spoken to my contact - this should be fine - we just need to send him the design by Monday morning. I will contact jgay@fsf.org with this info. From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Aug 13 19:48:45 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IKjeP-000188-7l for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:48:45 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IKjeM-00013F-Qw for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:48:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IKjeL-0000zd-Gc for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:48:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKjeL-0000z5-B9 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:48:41 -0400 Received: from sceptre.pobox.com ([207.106.133.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IKjeK-0005fN-Oh for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:48:40 -0400 Received: from sceptre (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sceptre.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469B52EF; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (5ac1edd1.bb.sky.com [90.193.237.209]) by sceptre.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0E26F9A6; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46C0EDC2.5050805@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:48:18 +0100 From: Matt Lee User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mattl@gnu.org, fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org, Man-lug X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC40BC8036A81BB4FFC09FDA2" X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Cc: peterb@fsf.org, John Sullivan Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] BBC iPlayer Protest - Manchester - Tuesday, 14th August 2007 X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:48:43 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC40BC8036A81BB4FFC09FDA2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The plan for tomorrow. Meet upstairs at 12:00 or thereabouts at Odder, which is a pub right across from the BBC. Look out for people with a bunch of yellow suits. We have yellow suits and helmets for a lot of people. Everyone will get one or the other. Hopefully, we'll have enough for everyone. We also have a lot of flyers, and banners. The police know we're coming. They seemed perfectly fine about it. The press, less so - the Manchester Evening News seemed quite dismissive of us. We'll see. Anyway, it's going to be a nice peaceful protest. Bring cameras, take photos and let's have a really cool event. I will be videoing. We hope to get some cool footage for Defective By Design. Look forward to seeing you all later, matt --------------enigC40BC8036A81BB4FFC09FDA2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGwO3CFJy8EZ1+gjMRAmarAKCf39tbKTQI4dsTgVUA2KRtX4QJzACaAwHj Ekfyw1kC5dd2meTAz008lic= =fGg4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigC40BC8036A81BB4FFC09FDA2-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Aug 14 16:36:24 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IL37o-00061g-J3 for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:36:24 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IL37l-00060F-W2 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:36:22 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IL37j-000602-Dq for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:36:21 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IL37j-0005zz-7K for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:36:19 -0400 Received: from bigben2.bytemark.co.uk ([80.68.81.132]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IL37i-0003LF-Og for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:36:19 -0400 Received: from 80-68-82-82.no-reverse-dns-set.bytemark.co.uk ([80.68.82.82] helo=whoosh.onomatopoeia.lan) by bigben2.bytemark.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IL37g-0000Ez-53 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:17 +0000 Received: from simon by whoosh.onomatopoeia.lan with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IL37T-0000bf-58 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:36:03 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:36:02 +0100 From: Simon Ward To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Message-ID: <20070814203602.GD20582@whoosh.onomatopoeia.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zS7rBR6csb6tI2e1" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] OOXML X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:22 -0000 --zS7rBR6csb6tI2e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You=E2=80=99ve probably heard that the US representation for ISO things (IN= CITS) voted short of approval to fast=E2=80=90track the standardisation of OOXML = (MS=E2=80=99s XML=E2=80=90based document format)[0]. I want to make sure we=E2=80=99re not just sitting back and getting all big=E2=80=90headed because we=E2=80=99re winning. OOXML can still be stand= ardised in its current form, it may just take longer. The problem is, the current OOXML specification is broken, and unfit to be an open standard. Among other things it contains vague specifications of elements for compatibility with older products, no patent protection. If OOXML is standardised, it is likely that MS will put their full weight behind it without any intention of interoperability, rather than conceeding and making the necessary modifications for OOXML to be a truyl open standard that all can support or supporting the existing OpenDocument Format. The issues in the current specification of OOXML allow for vendor lock=E2=80=90in, and then we=E2=80=99re back where we started. More information can be found on the OOXML site[1], where there=E2=80= =99s also a petition for ISO members to vote against the standardisation of OOXML[2]. As always, Groklaw also has a ton of information[3]. [0]: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070811-microsoft-one-vote-short= -of-fast-track-ooxml-iso-standardization.html [1]: http://www.noooxml.org/ [2]: http://www.noooxml.org/petition [3]: http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=3D20051216153153504 Enough looking at the negative aspects. Another way to improve the situation is to promote the use of OpenDocument Format, already an ISO standard, wherever possible. It is supported by OpenOffice[4], AbiWord[5], and KOffice[6]. There are plugins for others including Microsoft Office (from the OpenOffice page[4]), so beginning to use ODF for documents needn=E2=80=99t be a major hassle. More information can be f= ound on the OpenDocument Fellowship site[7]. Someone has also gone to the trouble of creating a nice, bold logo[8] that could be used in promotional materials. [4]: http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/ [5]: http://www.abisource.com/ [6]: http://www.koffice.org/ [7]: http://opendocumentfellowship.org/ [8]: http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/07/25/spread-the-word-share-this-od= f-artwork/ Simon --=20 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. =E2=80=94 John Gaule --zS7rBR6csb6tI2e1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGwhIyj6/6lS/XEIoRAl+0AJ4o14TZwjSumZpiNIfNMCvZvoRP5ACfTdQx eQNWHD3Gb7WCv9HyyFddgJ0= =YAts -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zS7rBR6csb6tI2e1-- From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Aug 16 06:28:51 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ILcax-0001w1-5Q for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:28:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ILcav-0001vV-PC for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:28:49 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ILcau-0001v5-Pl for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:28:49 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILcau-0001v0-Av for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:28:48 -0400 Received: from relay1.prodigynet.co.uk ([213.232.80.11] helo=prodigynet.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ILcat-0008Uo-SU for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:28:48 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.50] (213-232-83-130.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk [213.232.83.130]) by prodigynet.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l7GASYMi001602 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:28:40 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline From: Nigel Rolland Organization: http://nigel-wiki.no-ip.co.uk To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:28:33 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200708161128.34046.nigel@n-rolland.prodigynet.co.uk> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] Re: Mossley Green Festival X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:28:50 -0000 Re: Mossley Green Festival For the second year running the Mossley Festival will have a green theme The festival will be held on Saturday 25th and Sunday 26th August The location is the Playing fields, Mossley Hollins High School, Huddersfield Road, Mossley which is in Tameside, Greater Manchester This year the Green stalls have been given a better location on the new site We are able to provide Gazebo stall covers and a limited number of tables We hope that the Manchester Free Software will be able to participate in the festival by providing a stall to promote understanding and the use of free software Please contact either myself at nige@n-rolland.prodigynet.co.uk or Christine Clark at cc@phonecoop.coop for further details Thanks Nigel Rolland From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Aug 16 11:15:52 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ILh4i-0001SP-CH for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:15:52 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ILh4g-0001Rj-MV for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:15:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ILh4f-0001RF-Mf for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:15:50 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILh4f-0001R9-IH for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:15:49 -0400 Received: from relay1.prodigynet.co.uk ([213.232.80.11] helo=prodigynet.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ILh4f-0003ZC-5m for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:15:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk [213.232.83.67]) by prodigynet.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l7GFFaMi008134 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:15:41 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline From: Peter Colton Organization: www.bissybox.com To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:15:01 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200708161615.01508.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: [man-lug] Next ManLUG meeting - Saturday 18th August X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:15:51 -0000 ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [man-lug] Next ManLUG meeting - Saturday 18th August Date: Thursday 16 August 2007 09:07 From: Adam Huffman To: man-lug@lists.man.ac.uk, linux-users@lists.man.ac.uk Hello The next meeting of ManLUG will take place on Saturday 18th August in the Lascelles-Williams room of the Kilburn building, University of Manchester, at 2pm. The main subject for discussion will be this week's protest at the BBC regarding the iPlayer and the Defective by Design campaign. In September we will have a talk from Simon Hobson about Shorewall. Best Wishes, Adam Huffman ------------------------------------------------------- From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Aug 16 12:05:50 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ILhr4-0008FA-Q0 for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:05:50 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ILhr3-0008Eh-8f for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:05:49 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ILhr1-0008E3-LN for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:05:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILhr1-0008Dw-GU for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:05:47 -0400 Received: from relay1.prodigynet.co.uk ([213.232.80.11] helo=prodigynet.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ILhr0-0006XI-Su for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:05:47 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk [213.232.83.67]) by prodigynet.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l7GG5ZMi014307 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:05:40 +0100 From: Peter Colton Organization: www.bissybox.com To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Fwd: [man-lug] Next ManLUG meeting - Saturday 18th August Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:05:00 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <200708161615.01508.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> <465208320708160837r5b2895dl6786764a8ac975d5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <465208320708160837r5b2895dl6786764a8ac975d5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708161705.00525.fsuk-manchester@bissybox.com> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:05:49 -0000 On Thursday 16 August 2007 16:37, binary wrote: > I would love to attend, however a postcode, address or co-ordinates may be > useful in order to help me get to the venue. > > thanx > binary Hello there, Here is a link that show where the venue is. http://www.manlug.org/content/view/146/70/ Regards peter colton From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Aug 19 12:40:07 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IMnot-0005iO-7t for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:40:07 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IGj6O-0004m8-3n for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:25:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IGj6M-0004lZ-Gm for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:25:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGj6M-0004lW-6q for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:25:02 -0400 Received: from clarity.mcc.ac.uk ([130.88.200.144]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IGj6C-0007z0-4H; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:24:52 -0400 Received: from black-sheep.mcc.ac.uk ([130.88.202.72] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by clarity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IGj66-000N0L-Id; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:24:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <46B2257D.4050406@gnu.org> References: <46B2257D.4050406@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0E0FD031-F99F-45B1-8C29-D44F73325178@manchester.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Heaton To: Matt Lee X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-UoM: Scanned by the University Mail System. See http://www.itservices.manchester.ac.uk/email/filtering/information/ for details. X-Detected-Kernel: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:40:05 -0400 Cc: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org, Man-lug Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] Re: [man-lug] BBC DRM protest in Manchester X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:25:04 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 23:24:43 +0100 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:25:04 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2 Aug 2007, at 19:42, Matt Lee wrote: > It's now official! > > http://www.defectivebydesign.org/BBCSignUpManchester > > I have some hazmat suits, and some helmets. > > I need a volunteer who is coming to be a liaison for anything that > might > need doing while I'm away. Where? - In prison after the event.... John -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGslmsDwhbGQHPUt0RAkvUAJ99Wm5mg2Zx5rVv6mAixVM7EBhSYQCfY0Og H8rFODsNTOg2rChMCtkNlOA= =FfUZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Aug 19 12:40:08 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IMnot-0005ig-HO for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:40:07 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJVAw-0004xo-1J for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:09:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJVAr-0004wK-Un for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:09:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJVAr-0004wH-CQ for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:09:09 -0400 Received: from relay1.prodigynet.co.uk ([213.232.80.11] helo=prodigynet.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJVAq-0005S3-Uf for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:09:09 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk [213.232.83.67]) by prodigynet.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l7AE87KG011128 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:08:14 +0100 From: Peter Colton Organization: www.bissybox.com To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:08:48 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708101508.48747.petercolton@bissybox.com> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:40:05 -0400 Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] Would it be possible to have a introductory talk about DRM at manlug ? X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:09:14 -0000 Hello all, Would any one be willing to give a introductory talk about DRM at one of manlug mouthly meeting ? If so I will ask on their mailing to see if the manlug group would be intrested. Regards Peter Colton From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Aug 19 12:40:08 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IMnou-0005iz-2i for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:40:08 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ILQdj-00057g-Nm for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:42:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ILQdi-00054Z-N0 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:42:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILQdi-00054K-IO for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:42:54 -0400 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.181]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ILQdi-0002L7-1q for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:42:54 -0400 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so55039waf for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:42:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=RjF6YdfTRtqEgddvWmPB8qzPThfGu6YD+iLR0lhXyjgAiXYPY6oXOjPI6WZLhVPtNCwhPCLvik5UUPuD+bU/40ipYN1Wd/OsY6JL0QtBPVYxyXgS/5kXAZG8zM2JEhVFTaplZRmMhBKvC65ctgMuHyCS1Zed82RBqIY5KKuodKs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=jNyMPMSRpWAEEl3OfUQY9mzOADh/RR2m3w3DKlwZteX2jG8XGlsfXo6BTh6YI2FN5RfOncyQgl7/EAGcfQiZDhynNRddhVropU2DLpBHTd7NQgPceKFCrtmVbOwo5Yxap4zTwK1tpdRaztc5jpm/sldKc/pUZucbyD7+bGKOINo= Received: by 10.114.12.9 with SMTP id 9mr1080263wal.1187214170151; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.110.9 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:42:50 +0100 From: "Tim Dobson" Sender: timmydobson@gmail.com To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_95111_574955.1187214170122" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 791ab9c3780c7b1c X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:40:05 -0400 Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] BBC iPlayer - Slashdot - Photos? X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:42:56 -0000 ------=_Part_95111_574955.1187214170122 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The BBC iPlayer controversy currently has a story running on Slashdot. Though most of the main issues (including drm) regarding the iPlayer it would be good to have some photos of the Manchester protest linked somewhere on it... It would be good at least to be able to point people to photos to look at when they callDefectiveByDesign and the FSF, "mostly US" based. Anyway, if anyone has any photos, I can provide hosting here http://www.dobo.urandom.co.uk/gallery - currently empty unless anyone else has better... If you can get the photos to me in someway (ftp/http is preferable to emailing but whatever you have to hand...) I will put them up ASAP. Cheers -Tim P.s. In case you hadn't worked out you can find the Slashdot story here: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/15/1721229 -- www.dobo.urandom.co.uk ---- If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw ------=_Part_95111_574955.1187214170122 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The BBC iPlayer controversy currently has a story running on Slashdot. Though most of the main issues (including drm) regarding the iPlayer it would be good to have some photos of the Manchester protest linked somewhere on it...
It would be good at least to be able to point people to photos to look at when they call DefectiveByDesign and the FSF, "mostly US" based.
Anyway, if anyone has any photos, I can provide hosting here http://www.dobo.urandom.co.uk/gallery - currently empty unless anyone else has better...
If you can get the photos to me in someway (ftp/http is preferable to emailing but whatever you have to hand...) I will put them up ASAP.

Cheers

-Tim

P.s. In case you hadn't worked out you can find the Slashdot story here: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/15/1721229

--
www.dobo.urandom.co.uk
----
If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object.
If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas.   -  George Bernard Shaw ------=_Part_95111_574955.1187214170122-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Aug 19 12:40:07 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IMnot-0005iR-BV for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:40:07 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJUoO-0000dg-1K for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:45:56 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IJUoN-0000dQ-9j for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:45:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJUoN-0000dN-4n for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:45:55 -0400 Received: from relay1.prodigynet.co.uk ([213.232.80.11] helo=prodigynet.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IJUoM-0001qJ-Er for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:45:54 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk [213.232.83.67]) by prodigynet.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l7ADirKG008024 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:45:00 +0100 From: Peter Colton Organization: www.bissybox.com To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:45:31 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708101445.32751.petercolton@bissybox.com> X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:40:05 -0400 Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] Is Trusted Computing DRM ? X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:45:56 -0000 Hello list, I whachted the video below and it refer to a chip that implements "Trusted Computing " on the device. Would this chip be implementing DRM ? wget http://ia300124.us.archive.org/2/items/BenjaminStephanLutzVogel/TrustedComputing_LAFKON_HIGH_mpeg1.mpg Regards Peter Colton From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Aug 19 12:56:00 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IMo4G-0005GO-2P for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:56:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IMo4D-0005F3-CI for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:55:57 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IMo49-0005Ca-SP for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:55:56 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMo49-0005CS-CG for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:55:53 -0400 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.185]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IMo48-00071p-SM for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:55:53 -0400 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 19so1792301fkr for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:55:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Zu0GHM4KZuRJwFA9jVehkT7OsoLqXq2dfmSQSI1Il8t38Z8VWtR1Rgs3c06lmMYMnUK6hvbkTP1sicnf5zAy2hFhIKgrubMGPU8vWbH5AbTyBrzVdcozafcXFhycguAxF7njSwkomdni5vT7FTTib0SNdP/FnP+ew4CQKF79a04= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KMHIJ9pdnFcio80t46dPIrpDJKBHeMV58E8gnkVCpIs0TwaAzWRPnvzS2rXDcWE9j7dUbSsLVEWpm1IlwZGBG+gHvLwgs82iQ3FIlWVgea0i8yJku1zNuTrB4d2JCs/dLEtN68xv/KGMT5nZKJ548ImUaGwQghfB7brkF9w0YPA= Received: by 10.82.136.4 with SMTP id j4mr6175448bud.1187542550009; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.113.11 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ea1c1180708190955r3b32c9c6u374d02871ccfed62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:55:49 +0100 From: "Noah Slater" To: "Tim Dobson" Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] BBC iPlayer - Slashdot - Photos? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Cc: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:55:57 -0000 > If you can get the photos to me in someway (ftp/http is preferable to > emailing but whatever you have to hand...) I will put them up ASAP. I only got a couple and they're not very good. http://www.bytesexual.com/defective-by-design.tar.gz You are free to use these under the Attribution-ShareAlike Creative Commons licence. Noah -- "Creativity can be a social contribution, but only in so far as society is free to use the results." - R. Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Aug 19 13:37:17 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IMoiD-00014m-4g for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:37:17 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IMoiB-00012T-Jv for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:37:15 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IMoi9-000103-S9 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:37:15 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMoi9-0000zl-Ma for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:37:13 -0400 Received: from grimoire.xen-hosting.net ([80.68.85.37] helo=grimoire.xen-tools.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IMoi9-0004ci-9z for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:37:13 -0400 Received: from grimoire by grimoire.xen-tools.net with local (Exim 4.50) id 1IMol8-0006sH-WB for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:40:19 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:40:18 +0100 From: Dave Page To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Is Trusted Computing DRM ? Message-ID: <20070819174018.GA26396@grimoire.xen-hosting.net> References: <200708101445.32751.petercolton@bissybox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200708101445.32751.petercolton@bissybox.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:37:15 -0000 On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 02:45:31PM +0100, Peter Colton wrote: > I whachted the video below and it refer to a chip that implements > "Trusted Computing " on the device. Would this chip be implementing > DRM ? Trusted Computing is a way of implementing DRM at the hardware level. Dave -- Dave Page Jabber: grimoire@jabber.earth.li From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Aug 19 14:01:09 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IMp5J-000277-Ih for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:01:09 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IMp5I-00026f-4J for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:01:08 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IMp5G-000268-BA for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:01:07 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMp5F-000261-UE for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:01:05 -0400 Received: from host14.unitech.host.ifl.telecomplete.net ([213.160.120.214] helo=mail.mintra.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IMp5F-0000cG-GP for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:01:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mintra.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF2EF786A for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:07:02 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.mintra.net Received: from mail.mintra.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mintra.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UA3t7JYdfF5t for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:07:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.mintra.net (mail.mintra.net [213.160.120.214]) by mail.mintra.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F89F785D for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:07:01 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <11292431.47681187546821584.JavaMail.root@mail.mintra.net> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:07:01 +0100 (BST) From: Iain Roberts To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] Is Trusted Computing DRM ? In-Reply-To: <20070819174018.GA26396@grimoire.xen-hosting.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [217.155.193.25] X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:01:08 -0000 ----- "Dave Page" wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 02:45:31PM +0100, Peter Colton wrote: > > > I whachted the video below and it refer to a chip that implements > > "Trusted Computing " on the device. Would this chip be implementing > > DRM ? > > Trusted Computing is a way of implementing DRM at the hardware level. > > Dave It is, but it's potentially a lot more besides. Two excellent resources that seem to lay out the arguments on both sides of the debate: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html http://domino.research.ibm.com/comm/research_projects.nsf/pages/gsal.TCG.html Iain. -- Iain Roberts Axiom Tech p: 0845 127 0310 m: 07958 570202 w: www.axiomtech.co.uk Axiom Tech Ltd is registered in England and Wales at 92 Didsbury Road, Stockport, SK4 2JL, company no 5684132, VAT no 878 6568 46. Unless agreed otherwise, all services and products supplied by Axiom Tech are subject to our standard terms and conditions, available on request. From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Aug 19 15:02:14 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IMq2Q-00072Y-7I for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:02:14 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IMq2O-00070M-7p for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:02:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IMq2M-0006yA-As for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:02:11 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMq2M-0006y2-3o for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:02:10 -0400 Received: from grimoire.xen-hosting.net ([80.68.85.37] helo=grimoire.xen-tools.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IMq2L-0002nr-Oi for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:02:10 -0400 Received: from grimoire by grimoire.xen-tools.net with local (Exim 4.50) id 1IMq5M-0006vQ-2C for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:05:16 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:05:16 +0100 From: Dave Page To: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org Message-ID: <20070819190515.GC26396@grimoire.xen-hosting.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] Free Software-supported PCMCIA wireless card? X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:02:12 -0000 I'm looking for somewhere in Manchester where I can buy a PCMCIA 802.11g wifi card which will be supported by my Debian 4.0 laptop without using binary drivers, ndiswrapper etcetera. MicroDirect, my preferred supplier of computing equipment, used to sell the Gigabyte cards which used RealTek chipsets supported by the rt2x00 family of GPL'd drivers, but they no longer appear to do so. Failing meatspace suggestions, I will consider buying online, but I'd really prefer to avoid that if at all possible. Dave -- Dave Page Jabber: grimoire@jabber.earth.li From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Aug 30 13:19:57 2007 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IQngT-0003X4-Ik for mharc-fsuk-manchester@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:19:57 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IQngR-0003UY-Q5 for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:19:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IQngQ-0003TI-JS for fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:19:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQngP-0003SD-M3; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:19:53 -0400 Received: from tallyho.bytemark.co.uk ([80.68.81.166]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IQngP-0004C7-AR; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:19:53 -0400 Received: from 80-68-82-82.no-reverse-dns-set.bytemark.co.uk ([80.68.82.82] helo=whoosh.onomatopoeia.lan) by tallyho.bytemark.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IQngK-0007bO-Om; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:19:51 +0000 Received: from simon by whoosh.onomatopoeia.lan with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IQngC-0005ZL-TR; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:19:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:19:40 +0100 From: Simon Ward To: man-lug@lists.manchester.ac.uk Message-ID: <20070830171940.GA19874@whoosh.onomatopoeia.lan> Mail-Followup-To: man-lug@lists.manchester.ac.uk, linux-users@lists.manchester.ac.uk, gwanno@gnu.org, fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org, sc@mailman.lug.org.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 Cc: linux-users@lists.manchester.ac.uk, gwanno@gnu.org, fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org, sc@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] ManLUG Social X-BeenThere: fsuk-manchester@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: fsuk-manchester.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:19:56 -0000 --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The next ManLUG social meetup will be on Friday 7th September. We=E2=80=99= ll be meeting in Hardy=E2=80=99s Well pub on Wilmslow Road in Rusholme[1] from ar= ound 19:30. After a few drinks it=E2=80=99s off to one of the many restaurants = in Rusholme for food. If your geek radars malfunction, at least one of us will normally be wearing some item of geeky clothing so we shouldn=E2=80=99t be too difficul= t to find. Don=E2=80=99t hesitate to mail me off=E2=80=90list for a contact num= ber if you=E2=80=99re unsure. Meetings are also announced on http://www.manlug.org.uk/ and some of us lurk about on irc.oftc.net in #manlug (details on the site). [1] http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/20/2009/Hardys_Well/Rusholme Simon --=20 IRC: sward in #manlug on irc.oftc.net A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. =E2=80=94 John Gaule --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG1vwsj6/6lS/XEIoRAsYCAJ9zDfr6R/l+UAkPHek7AdKuvlXowwCdFNDw FuUJC20Zze8pqm10loGfo/M= =VuWg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb--