From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 01 14:32:10 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EhuA6-0005NO-Q9 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:32:10 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EhuA5-0005N7-FB for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:32:09 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ehu9x-0005Lq-FH for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:32:09 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ehu9x-0005Lm-9E for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:32:01 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ehu9w-00030C-Fq for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:32:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EA293B7A for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:31:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28236-01 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:31:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.38] (unknown [192.168.1.38]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAE993B78 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:31:48 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:31:53 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512012031.53625.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Subject: [glob2-devel] Crash Bug in NicoWare X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:32:09 -0000 Hi, we have been testing a game in LAN with a nicoware, which made this following error: [Switching to Thread -1215002944 (LWP 9325)] 0x0805ebcb in AINicowar::updateAttackFlags (this=0x9793140) at AINicowar.cpp:1596 1596 std::cout<<"AINicowar: updateAttackFlags: Changing the "<flag->posX<<","<flag->posY<<" flag from "<assigned_units<<" to "< Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:27:52 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] from our game on the G2 map X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:28:15 -0000 Start it from the beginning? (y or n) y Starting program: /usr/local/bin/glob2 [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 46912549751552 (LWP 30086)] [New Thread 1082141024 (LWP 30087)] [New Thread 1091090784 (LWP 30088)] [New Thread 1099483488 (LWP 30089)] tryConnection::serverName=adsl-188-177-fixip.tiscali.ch YOGScreen::joining because state=4. MultiplayersConnectScreen::STARTED! YOGScreen::rv=11 Cannot find user-level thread for LWP 30086: generic error (gdb) bt Cannot fetch general-purpose registers for thread 46912549751552: generic error (gdb)quit ---------------------- there's a copy of the error. Also, there is an issue with irc, it seems to not be keeping track of the ping/pongs. that definitely needs fixing. From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 01 22:55:36 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ei21H-000080-Tt for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:55:35 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ei21F-00007u-P1 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:55:33 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ei21E-00007i-AX for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:55:33 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ei21E-00007f-71 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:55:32 -0500 Received: from [64.233.184.194] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ei21E-00043Z-E6 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:55:32 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so509955wra for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:55:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZLt4XGpl8lpuSlam9oxwtv+KpLP1xqTduPSDn4ed7T2ZUZ1/7OhMqq4+cB37g8MCWW5p0i+j71ZR9Yu+HXr/u7m50gGeFE1VgaArVLNUurmAnlWXfAc+aB/PdRc9j40cg3Nfp7k1oPWJWW68y0XWuObEua3fxlawr+X2DCiJOM4= Received: by 10.65.38.14 with SMTP id q14mr1235510qbj; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:55:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.153.19 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:55:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:55:30 -0800 From: Bradley Arsenault To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Crash Bug in NicoWare In-Reply-To: <200512012031.53625.nct@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200512012031.53625.nct@ysagoon.com> X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 03:55:33 -0000 Just to mention, its nicowar, not nicoware (no e)! And I have been debugging verious bugs recetnly, and I made a commit just a few minutes ago that should fix several crashes. Typically I just let my ai play untill it crashes in various circumstances. I do hope it doesn't cause further trouble... I will have my ai prepared for lan on my next commit, it only does one thing at random, and I'm about to convert that to syncRand. On 12/1/05, St=E9phane Magnenat wrote: > Hi, we have been testing a game in LAN with a nicoware, which made this > following error: > > [Switching to Thread -1215002944 (LWP 9325)] > 0x0805ebcb in AINicowar::updateAttackFlags (this=3D0x9793140) at > AINicowar.cpp:1596 > 1596 std::cout<<"AINicowar: > updateAttackFlags: Changing the "<flag->posX<<","<flag->posY<<" f= lag > from "<assigned_units<<" to "< (gdb) bt > #0 0x0805ebcb in AINicowar::updateAttackFlags (this=3D0x9793140) at > AINicowar.cpp:1596 > #1 0x080620de in AINicowar::getOrder (this=3D0x9793140) at AINicowar.cpp= :510 > #2 0x080929b2 in Engine::run (this=3D0xbfe8ebf8) at Engine.cpp:417 > #3 0x080c8875 in Glob2::run (this=3D0xbfe90f97, argc=3D6, argv=3D0xbfe91= 024) at > Glob2.cpp:299 > #4 0x080c91dd in main (argc=3D6, argv=3D0xbfe91024) at Glob2.cpp:431 > > Please debug it, it would be so cool to release 0.8.16 with a working > NicoWare ;-) > > Steph > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 02 03:41:14 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ei6Tg-0002Dx-ME for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 03:41:13 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ei6Tc-0002By-6G for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 03:41:08 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ei6TX-0002AG-Av for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 03:41:05 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ei6TV-000299-Cr for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 03:41:01 -0500 Received: from [129.194.9.198] (helo=mike.unige.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ei6TV-0003SK-Dr for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 03:41:01 -0500 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mike.unige.ch by mike.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) id <0IQV0070144AHX@mike.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:40:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from eig.unige.ch (eig.unige.ch [129.194.184.2]) by mike.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) with ESMTP id <0IQV0071V44A1C@mike.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:40:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.4.5] ([129.194.185.167]) by EIG.UNIGE.CH (PMDF V5.2-32 #37940) with ESMTP id <01LW2Z80HPC89EF6HV@EIG.UNIGE.CH> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:40:56 +0200 (MET-DST) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:35:28 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Crash Bug in NicoWare In-reply-to: To: Globulation2 development mailing list Message-id: <43900750.5040509@ysagoon.com> X-Envelope-from: nct@ysagoon.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) References: <200512012031.53625.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Comment: This message was scanned against viruses by mike.unige.ch. X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:41:09 -0000 Bradley Arsenault wrote: > Just to mention, its nicowar, not nicoware (no e)! And I have been > debugging verious bugs recetnly, and I made a commit just a few > minutes ago that should fix several crashes. Typically I just let my > ai play untill it crashes in various circumstances. I do hope it > doesn't cause further trouble... I will have my ai prepared for lan on > my next commit, it only does one thing at random, and I'm about to > convert that to syncRand. Ok, good, thanks, keep us informed, it would be very cool to be able tzo release a fully working Nicowar with 0.8.16, because it looks good :-) Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 02 04:48:59 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ei7XD-0003j6-Gm for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:48:56 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ei7U4-0003OG-LG for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:45:42 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ei7Sk-00030F-Of for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:44:20 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ei7RN-0002gQ-Gg for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:42:54 -0500 Received: from [129.194.9.228] (helo=romeo.unige.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ei7RN-0001jA-Ax for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:42:53 -0500 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.romeo.unige.ch by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) id <0IQV00C014XOT3@romeo.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:58:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from eig.unige.ch (eig.unige.ch [129.194.184.2]) by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) with ESMTP id <0IQV003KX4XOUU@romeo.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:58:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from [192.168.4.5] ([129.194.185.167]) by EIG.UNIGE.CH (PMDF V5.2-32 #37940) with ESMTP id <01LW2ZTVY0TI9EF6HV@EIG.UNIGE.CH> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:58:34 +0200 (MET-DST) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:53:06 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Message-id: <43900B72.20609@ysagoon.com> X-Envelope-from: nct@ysagoon.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Comment: This message was scanned against viruses by romeo.unige.ch. Subject: [glob2-devel] Network bug + workaround X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:48:51 -0000 Hi, There is a subtile bug when hosting a network gam: sometimes when a new player comes the game never becomes ready, but if an AI is added and then removed, the pplayer becomes ready. We suppose it is a buggy transition in the hosting network game state machine, but from there to find it, it will be difficult. So we'll try to fix it, but in the meantime please keep the work-around in your head. Thanks, Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 02 19:31:08 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EiLIx-0007rj-Qk for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:31:08 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EiLIv-0007rL-HN for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:31:05 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EiLIs-0007pg-6t for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:31:04 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EiLIr-0007pL-I9 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:31:01 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EiLIu-0002us-Kg for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:31:05 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Dec 2005 00:30:55 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-68-136.mnet-online.de (EHLO [192.168.0.167]) [82.135.68.136] by mail.gmx.net (mp033) with SMTP; 03 Dec 2005 01:30:55 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <4390E753.2010106@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:31:15 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: [glob2-devel] bug? or am i blind? X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 00:31:06 -0000 Hi List I have trouble compileing the cvs of 2nd of december 23:00 GMT. configure sais ./configure: line 6523: XIPH_PATH_VORBIS: command not found that seams to make make result in g++: @VORBIS_CFLAGS@: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden (english: file or directory not found) thanx for support, Leo (Giszmo) The complete output of bootstrap, configure, make: leo@giszmos:~/globulation/glob2$ ./bootstrap configure.in: installing `./install-sh' configure.in: installing `./missing' data/Makefile.am:9: EXTRA_DIST multiply defined in condition TRUE ... data/Makefile.am:5: ... `EXTRA_DIST' previously defined here libgag/src/Makefile.am: installing `./depcomp' src/Makefile.am:183: LIBS was already defined in condition TRUE, which includes condition LINKSTATIC ... configure.in:2: ... `LIBS' previously defined here configure.in:3: installing `./config.guess' configure.in:3: installing `./config.sub' leo@giszmos:~/globulation/glob2$ ./configure checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for gawk... no checking for mawk... mawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for suffix of executables... checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed checking for style of include used by make... GNU checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3 checking for g++... g++ checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes checking whether g++ accepts -g... yes checking dependency style of g++... gcc3 checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking for ranlib... ranlib checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for egrep... grep -E checking for ANSI C header files... yes checking for working alloca.h... yes checking for alloca... yes checking for dirent.h that defines DIR... yes checking for library containing opendir... none required checking for sys/types.h... yes checking for sys/stat.h... yes checking for stdlib.h... yes checking for string.h... yes checking for memory.h... yes checking for strings.h... yes checking for inttypes.h... yes checking for stdint.h... yes checking for unistd.h... yes checking for string.h... (cached) yes checking sys/time.h usability... yes checking sys/time.h presence... yes checking for sys/time.h... yes checking assert.h usability... yes checking assert.h presence... yes checking for assert.h... yes checking zlib.h usability... yes checking zlib.h presence... yes checking for zlib.h... yes checking for gzdopen in -lz... yes checking speex/speex.h usability... yes checking speex/speex.h presence... yes checking for speex/speex.h... yes checking speex.h usability... no checking speex.h presence... no checking for speex.h... no checking for speex_encoder_init in -lspeex... yes checking for sdl-config... /usr/bin/sdl-config checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.0... yes checking SDL_image.h usability... yes checking SDL_image.h presence... yes checking for SDL_image.h... yes checking SDL_net.h usability... yes checking SDL_net.h presence... yes checking for SDL_net.h... yes checking for IMG_Load_RW in -lSDL_image... yes checking for SDLNet_UDP_Open in -lSDL_net... yes checking for freetype-config... /usr/bin/freetype-config checking for FreeType -- version >= 7.0.1... yes ./configure: line 6523: XIPH_PATH_VORBIS: command not found checking GL/gl.h usability... yes checking GL/gl.h presence... yes checking for GL/gl.h... yes checking GL/glu.h usability... yes checking GL/glu.h presence... yes checking for GL/glu.h... yes checking for glBegin in -lGL... yes checking for gluOrtho2D in -lGLU... yes checking for Mingw32... no checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... g++ -E checking vector usability... yes checking vector presence... yes checking for vector... yes configure: creating ./config.status config.status: creating Makefile config.status: creating autopackage/default.apspec config.status: creating autopackage/Makefile config.status: creating src/Makefile config.status: creating doc/Makefile config.status: creating data/Makefile config.status: creating data/gfx/Makefile config.status: creating data/gfx/cursor/Makefile config.status: creating data/fonts/Makefile config.status: creating data/gui/Makefile config.status: creating data/zik/Makefile config.status: creating data/icons/Makefile config.status: creating maps/Makefile config.status: creating campaigns/Makefile config.status: creating libgag/Makefile config.status: creating libgag/include/Makefile config.status: creating libgag/src/Makefile config.status: creating gnupg/Makefile config.status: creating config.h config.status: executing depfiles commands leo@giszmos:~/globulation/glob2$ make make all-recursive make[1]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2« Making all in libgag make[2]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« Making all in src make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/src« if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GraphicContext.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GraphicContext.Tpo" -c -o GraphicContext.o GraphicContext.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/GraphicContext.Tpo" ".deps/GraphicContext.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/GraphicContext.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT Sprite.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/Sprite.Tpo" -c -o Sprite.o Sprite.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/Sprite.Tpo" ".deps/Sprite.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/Sprite.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT TrueTypeFont.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/TrueTypeFont.Tpo" -c -o TrueTypeFont.o TrueTypeFont.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/TrueTypeFont.Tpo" ".deps/TrueTypeFont.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/TrueTypeFont.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT FileManager.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/FileManager.Tpo" -c -o FileManager.o FileManager.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/FileManager.Tpo" ".deps/FileManager.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/FileManager.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT Toolkit.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/Toolkit.Tpo" -c -o Toolkit.o Toolkit.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/Toolkit.Tpo" ".deps/Toolkit.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/Toolkit.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT StringTable.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/StringTable.Tpo" -c -o StringTable.o StringTable.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/StringTable.Tpo" ".deps/StringTable.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/StringTable.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT CursorManager.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/CursorManager.Tpo" -c -o CursorManager.o CursorManager.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/CursorManager.Tpo" ".deps/CursorManager.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/CursorManager.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT SupportFunctions.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/SupportFunctions.Tpo" -c -o SupportFunctions.o SupportFunctions.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/SupportFunctions.Tpo" ".deps/SupportFunctions.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/SupportFunctions.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -MT SDL_ttf.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/SDL_ttf.Tpo" -c -o SDL_ttf.o SDL_ttf.c; \ then mv -f ".deps/SDL_ttf.Tpo" ".deps/SDL_ttf.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/SDL_ttf.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIBase.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIBase.Tpo" -c -o GUIBase.o GUIBase.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/GUIBase.Tpo" ".deps/GUIBase.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/GUIBase.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIList.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIList.Tpo" -c -o GUIList.o GUIList.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/GUIList.Tpo" ".deps/GUIList.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/GUIList.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIFileList.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIFileList.Tpo" -c -o GUIFileList.o GUIFileList.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/GUIFileList.Tpo" ".deps/GUIFileList.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/GUIFileList.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIRatio.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIRatio.Tpo" -c -o GUIRatio.o GUIRatio.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/GUIRatio.Tpo" ".deps/GUIRatio.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/GUIRatio.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUITextArea.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUITextArea.Tpo" -c -o GUITextArea.o GUITextArea.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/GUITextArea.Tpo" ".deps/GUITextArea.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/GUITextArea.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIButton.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIButton.Tpo" -c -o GUIButton.o GUIButton.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/GUIButton.Tpo" ".deps/GUIButton.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/GUIButton.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUINumber.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUINumber.Tpo" -c -o GUINumber.o GUINumber.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/GUINumber.Tpo" ".deps/GUINumber.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/GUINumber.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIText.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIText.Tpo" -c -o GUIText.o GUIText.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/GUIText.Tpo" ".deps/GUIText.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/GUIText.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUITextInput.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUITextInput.Tpo" -c -o GUITextInput.o GUITextInput.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/GUITextInput.Tpo" ".deps/GUITextInput.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/GUITextInput.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUISelector.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUISelector.Tpo" -c -o GUISelector.o GUISelector.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/GUISelector.Tpo" ".deps/GUISelector.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/GUISelector.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIAnimation.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIAnimation.Tpo" -c -o GUIAnimation.o GUIAnimation.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/GUIAnimation.Tpo" ".deps/GUIAnimation.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/GUIAnimation.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIMessageBox.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIMessageBox.Tpo" -c -o GUIMessageBox.o GUIMessageBox.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/GUIMessageBox.Tpo" ".deps/GUIMessageBox.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/GUIMessageBox.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT StreamBackend.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/StreamBackend.Tpo" -c -o StreamBackend.o StreamBackend.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/StreamBackend.Tpo" ".deps/StreamBackend.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/StreamBackend.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT StreamFilter.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/StreamFilter.Tpo" -c -o StreamFilter.o StreamFilter.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/StreamFilter.Tpo" ".deps/StreamFilter.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/StreamFilter.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT Stream.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/Stream.Tpo" -c -o Stream.o Stream.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/Stream.Tpo" ".deps/Stream.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/Stream.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT BinaryStream.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/BinaryStream.Tpo" -c -o BinaryStream.o BinaryStream.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/BinaryStream.Tpo" ".deps/BinaryStream.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/BinaryStream.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT TextStream.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/TextStream.Tpo" -c -o TextStream.o TextStream.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/TextStream.Tpo" ".deps/TextStream.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/TextStream.Tpo"; exit 1; fi rm -f libgag.a ar cru libgag.a GraphicContext.o Sprite.o TrueTypeFont.o FileManager.o Toolkit.o StringTable.o CursorManager.o SupportFunctions.o SDL_ttf.o GUIBase.o GUIList.o GUIFileList.o GUIRatio.o GUITextArea.o GUIButton.o GUINumber.o GUIText.o GUITextInput.o GUISelector.o GUIAnimation.o GUIMessageBox.o StreamBackend.o StreamFilter.o Stream.o BinaryStream.o TextStream.o ranlib libgag.a make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/src« Making all in include make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/include« make[3]: Für das Ziel »all« ist nichts zu tun. make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/include« make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« make[3]: Für das Ziel »all-am« ist nichts zu tun. make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« make[2]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« Making all in src make[2]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/src« if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT @VORBIS_CFLAGS@ -I./../libgag/include -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT IntBuildingType.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/IntBuildingType.Tpo" -c -o IntBuildingType.o IntBuildingType.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/IntBuildingType.Tpo" ".deps/IntBuildingType.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/IntBuildingType.Tpo"; exit 1; fi g++: @VORBIS_CFLAGS@: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden make[2]: *** [IntBuildingType.o] Fehler 1 make[2]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/src« make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 make[1]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2« make: *** [all] Fehler 2 leo@giszmos:~/globulation/glob2$ make make all-recursive make[1]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2« Making all in libgag make[2]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« Making all in src make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/src« make[3]: Für das Ziel »all« ist nichts zu tun. make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/src« Making all in include make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/include« make[3]: Für das Ziel »all« ist nichts zu tun. make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/include« make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« make[3]: Für das Ziel »all-am« ist nichts zu tun. make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« make[2]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« Making all in src make[2]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/src« if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT @VORBIS_CFLAGS@ -I./../libgag/include -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT AI.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/AI.Tpo" -c -o AI.o AI.cpp; \ then mv -f ".deps/AI.Tpo" ".deps/AI.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/AI.Tpo"; exit 1; fi g++: @VORBIS_CFLAGS@: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden make[2]: *** [AI.o] Fehler 1 make[2]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/src« make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 make[1]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2« make: *** [all] Fehler 2 leo@giszmos:~/globulation/glob2$ From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 03 03:11:23 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EiSUN-0001bM-AO for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 03:11:23 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EiSUH-0001Yz-KK for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 03:11:18 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EiSUE-0001XY-W0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 03:11:16 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EiSUE-0001X0-0A for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 03:11:14 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EiSUK-0004c0-U2 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 03:11:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAF893B81 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:11:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15667-02 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:11:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (unknown [192.168.1.34]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E46D93B6E for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:11:07 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] bug? or am i blind? Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:11:06 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <4390E753.2010106@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4390E753.2010106@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512030911.06747.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 08:11:19 -0000 You need to install libvorbis-dev. It is not a bug as the released version (the .tar.gz) will have a premade configure that will correctly check wether libvorbis is installed or not. Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 03 07:13:09 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EiWGK-00084w-Iv for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 07:13:08 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EiWGG-00082l-PI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 07:13:05 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EiWGE-00080W-3a for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 07:13:03 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EiWGD-00080B-5q for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 07:13:01 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EiWGL-0000xd-SI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 07:13:10 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Dec 2005 12:12:57 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-74-19.mnet-online.de (EHLO [192.168.0.25]) [82.135.74.19] by mail.gmx.net (mp015) with SMTP; 03 Dec 2005 13:12:57 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <43918BDF.1050508@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 13:13:19 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] bug? or am i blind? References: <4390E753.2010106@gmx.de> <200512030911.06747.nct@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <200512030911.06747.nct@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 12:13:06 -0000 Stéphane Magnenat wrote: > You need to install libvorbis-dev. It is not a bug as the released version > (the .tar.gz) will have a premade configure that will correctly check wether > libvorbis is installed or not. i checked that already yesterday. libvorbis-dev is installed. giszmos:~# apt-get install libvorbis-dev Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut... Fertig libvorbis-dev ist schon die neueste Version. (english: libvorbis-dev is already the most recent version) 0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 0 nicht aktualisiert. Leo From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 03 19:00:49 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EihJ9-0006CY-Pq for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:00:48 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EihJ5-00069u-Aj for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:00:44 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EihJ1-000687-NI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:00:41 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EihJ1-00067a-4d for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:00:39 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EihJE-0005nK-NF for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:00:53 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Dec 2005 00:00:32 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-70-239.mnet-online.de (EHLO [192.168.0.25]) [82.135.70.239] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 04 Dec 2005 01:00:32 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <439231BD.1070200@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 01:01:01 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] bug? or am i blind? References: <4390E753.2010106@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4390E753.2010106@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 00:00:45 -0000 with the most recent cvs i can compile properly but i get the same odd error i got before i reinstalled my complete debian system few days ago: my client does not log on to the server in a yog-game. not even when i host. but without any error-messages. when i host and people join i can start the game and instantly my oponent wins as i "left" the game. whe someone else hostes and i join, he can't launch the game and i can't read the messages i write in the chat but the host can. :( greetings from frustrated Giszmo Leo Wandersleb wrote: > Hi List > > I have trouble compileing the cvs of 2nd of december 23:00 GMT. > > configure sais > > ./configure: line 6523: XIPH_PATH_VORBIS: command not found > > that seams to make make result in > > g++: @VORBIS_CFLAGS@: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden > (english: file or directory not found) > > thanx for support, > > Leo (Giszmo) > > > The complete output of bootstrap, configure, make: > > leo@giszmos:~/globulation/glob2$ ./bootstrap > configure.in: installing `./install-sh' > configure.in: installing `./missing' > data/Makefile.am:9: EXTRA_DIST multiply defined in condition TRUE ... > data/Makefile.am:5: ... `EXTRA_DIST' previously defined here > libgag/src/Makefile.am: installing `./depcomp' > src/Makefile.am:183: LIBS was already defined in condition TRUE, which > includes condition LINKSTATIC ... > configure.in:2: ... `LIBS' previously defined here > configure.in:3: installing `./config.guess' > configure.in:3: installing `./config.sub' > leo@giszmos:~/globulation/glob2$ ./configure > checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c > checking whether build environment is sane... yes > checking for gawk... no > checking for mawk... mawk > checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes > checking for gcc... gcc > checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out > checking whether the C compiler works... yes > checking whether we are cross compiling... no > checking for suffix of executables... > checking for suffix of object files... o > checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes > checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes > checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed > checking for style of include used by make... GNU > checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3 > checking for g++... g++ > checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes > checking whether g++ accepts -g... yes > checking dependency style of g++... gcc3 > checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c > checking for ranlib... ranlib > checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E > checking for egrep... grep -E > checking for ANSI C header files... yes > checking for working alloca.h... yes > checking for alloca... yes > checking for dirent.h that defines DIR... yes > checking for library containing opendir... none required > checking for sys/types.h... yes > checking for sys/stat.h... yes > checking for stdlib.h... yes > checking for string.h... yes > checking for memory.h... yes > checking for strings.h... yes > checking for inttypes.h... yes > checking for stdint.h... yes > checking for unistd.h... yes > checking for string.h... (cached) yes > checking sys/time.h usability... yes > checking sys/time.h presence... yes > checking for sys/time.h... yes > checking assert.h usability... yes > checking assert.h presence... yes > checking for assert.h... yes > checking zlib.h usability... yes > checking zlib.h presence... yes > checking for zlib.h... yes > checking for gzdopen in -lz... yes > checking speex/speex.h usability... yes > checking speex/speex.h presence... yes > checking for speex/speex.h... yes > checking speex.h usability... no > checking speex.h presence... no > checking for speex.h... no > checking for speex_encoder_init in -lspeex... yes > checking for sdl-config... /usr/bin/sdl-config > checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.0... yes > checking SDL_image.h usability... yes > checking SDL_image.h presence... yes > checking for SDL_image.h... yes > checking SDL_net.h usability... yes > checking SDL_net.h presence... yes > checking for SDL_net.h... yes > checking for IMG_Load_RW in -lSDL_image... yes > checking for SDLNet_UDP_Open in -lSDL_net... yes > checking for freetype-config... /usr/bin/freetype-config > checking for FreeType -- version >= 7.0.1... yes > ./configure: line 6523: XIPH_PATH_VORBIS: command not found > checking GL/gl.h usability... yes > checking GL/gl.h presence... yes > checking for GL/gl.h... yes > checking GL/glu.h usability... yes > checking GL/glu.h presence... yes > checking for GL/glu.h... yes > checking for glBegin in -lGL... yes > checking for gluOrtho2D in -lGLU... yes > checking for Mingw32... no > checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... g++ -E > checking vector usability... yes > checking vector presence... yes > checking for vector... yes > configure: creating ./config.status > config.status: creating Makefile > config.status: creating autopackage/default.apspec > config.status: creating autopackage/Makefile > config.status: creating src/Makefile > config.status: creating doc/Makefile > config.status: creating data/Makefile > config.status: creating data/gfx/Makefile > config.status: creating data/gfx/cursor/Makefile > config.status: creating data/fonts/Makefile > config.status: creating data/gui/Makefile > config.status: creating data/zik/Makefile > config.status: creating data/icons/Makefile > config.status: creating maps/Makefile > config.status: creating campaigns/Makefile > config.status: creating libgag/Makefile > config.status: creating libgag/include/Makefile > config.status: creating libgag/src/Makefile > config.status: creating gnupg/Makefile > config.status: creating config.h > config.status: executing depfiles commands > leo@giszmos:~/globulation/glob2$ make > make all-recursive > make[1]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2« > Making all in libgag > make[2]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« > Making all in src > make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/src« > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > GraphicContext.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GraphicContext.Tpo" -c -o > GraphicContext.o GraphicContext.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GraphicContext.Tpo" ".deps/GraphicContext.Po"; else rm > -f ".deps/GraphicContext.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT Sprite.o -MD > -MP -MF ".deps/Sprite.Tpo" -c -o Sprite.o Sprite.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/Sprite.Tpo" ".deps/Sprite.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/Sprite.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > TrueTypeFont.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/TrueTypeFont.Tpo" -c -o TrueTypeFont.o > TrueTypeFont.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/TrueTypeFont.Tpo" ".deps/TrueTypeFont.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/TrueTypeFont.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT FileManager.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/FileManager.Tpo" -c -o FileManager.o FileManager.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/FileManager.Tpo" ".deps/FileManager.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/FileManager.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT Toolkit.o -MD > -MP -MF ".deps/Toolkit.Tpo" -c -o Toolkit.o Toolkit.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/Toolkit.Tpo" ".deps/Toolkit.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/Toolkit.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT StringTable.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/StringTable.Tpo" -c -o StringTable.o StringTable.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/StringTable.Tpo" ".deps/StringTable.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/StringTable.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > CursorManager.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/CursorManager.Tpo" -c -o > CursorManager.o CursorManager.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/CursorManager.Tpo" ".deps/CursorManager.Po"; else rm > -f ".deps/CursorManager.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > SupportFunctions.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/SupportFunctions.Tpo" -c -o > SupportFunctions.o SupportFunctions.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/SupportFunctions.Tpo" ".deps/SupportFunctions.Po"; > else rm -f ".deps/SupportFunctions.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -MT SDL_ttf.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/SDL_ttf.Tpo" -c > -o SDL_ttf.o SDL_ttf.c; \ > then mv -f ".deps/SDL_ttf.Tpo" ".deps/SDL_ttf.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/SDL_ttf.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIBase.o -MD > -MP -MF ".deps/GUIBase.Tpo" -c -o GUIBase.o GUIBase.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUIBase.Tpo" ".deps/GUIBase.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUIBase.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIList.o -MD > -MP -MF ".deps/GUIList.Tpo" -c -o GUIList.o GUIList.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUIList.Tpo" ".deps/GUIList.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUIList.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIFileList.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIFileList.Tpo" -c -o GUIFileList.o GUIFileList.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUIFileList.Tpo" ".deps/GUIFileList.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUIFileList.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIRatio.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIRatio.Tpo" -c -o GUIRatio.o GUIRatio.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUIRatio.Tpo" ".deps/GUIRatio.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUIRatio.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUITextArea.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUITextArea.Tpo" -c -o GUITextArea.o GUITextArea.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUITextArea.Tpo" ".deps/GUITextArea.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUITextArea.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIButton.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIButton.Tpo" -c -o GUIButton.o GUIButton.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUIButton.Tpo" ".deps/GUIButton.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUIButton.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUINumber.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUINumber.Tpo" -c -o GUINumber.o GUINumber.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUINumber.Tpo" ".deps/GUINumber.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUINumber.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIText.o -MD > -MP -MF ".deps/GUIText.Tpo" -c -o GUIText.o GUIText.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUIText.Tpo" ".deps/GUIText.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUIText.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > GUITextInput.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUITextInput.Tpo" -c -o GUITextInput.o > GUITextInput.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUITextInput.Tpo" ".deps/GUITextInput.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUITextInput.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUISelector.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUISelector.Tpo" -c -o GUISelector.o GUISelector.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUISelector.Tpo" ".deps/GUISelector.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUISelector.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > GUIAnimation.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIAnimation.Tpo" -c -o GUIAnimation.o > GUIAnimation.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUIAnimation.Tpo" ".deps/GUIAnimation.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUIAnimation.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > GUIMessageBox.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIMessageBox.Tpo" -c -o > GUIMessageBox.o GUIMessageBox.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUIMessageBox.Tpo" ".deps/GUIMessageBox.Po"; else rm > -f ".deps/GUIMessageBox.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > StreamBackend.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/StreamBackend.Tpo" -c -o > StreamBackend.o StreamBackend.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/StreamBackend.Tpo" ".deps/StreamBackend.Po"; else rm > -f ".deps/StreamBackend.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > StreamFilter.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/StreamFilter.Tpo" -c -o StreamFilter.o > StreamFilter.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/StreamFilter.Tpo" ".deps/StreamFilter.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/StreamFilter.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT Stream.o -MD > -MP -MF ".deps/Stream.Tpo" -c -o Stream.o Stream.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/Stream.Tpo" ".deps/Stream.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/Stream.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > BinaryStream.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/BinaryStream.Tpo" -c -o BinaryStream.o > BinaryStream.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/BinaryStream.Tpo" ".deps/BinaryStream.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/BinaryStream.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT TextStream.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/TextStream.Tpo" -c -o TextStream.o TextStream.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/TextStream.Tpo" ".deps/TextStream.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/TextStream.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > rm -f libgag.a > ar cru libgag.a GraphicContext.o Sprite.o TrueTypeFont.o FileManager.o > Toolkit.o StringTable.o CursorManager.o SupportFunctions.o SDL_ttf.o > GUIBase.o GUIList.o GUIFileList.o GUIRatio.o GUITextArea.o GUIButton.o > GUINumber.o GUIText.o GUITextInput.o GUISelector.o GUIAnimation.o > GUIMessageBox.o StreamBackend.o StreamFilter.o Stream.o BinaryStream.o > TextStream.o > ranlib libgag.a > make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/src« > Making all in include > make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/include« > make[3]: Für das Ziel »all« ist nichts zu tun. > make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/include« > make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« > make[3]: Für das Ziel »all-am« ist nichts zu tun. > make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« > make[2]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« > Making all in src > make[2]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/src« > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT @VORBIS_CFLAGS@ -I./../libgag/include > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT > -MT IntBuildingType.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/IntBuildingType.Tpo" -c -o > IntBuildingType.o IntBuildingType.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/IntBuildingType.Tpo" ".deps/IntBuildingType.Po"; else > rm -f ".deps/IntBuildingType.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > g++: @VORBIS_CFLAGS@: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden > make[2]: *** [IntBuildingType.o] Fehler 1 > make[2]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/src« > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 > make[1]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2« > make: *** [all] Fehler 2 > leo@giszmos:~/globulation/glob2$ make > make all-recursive > make[1]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2« > Making all in libgag > make[2]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« > Making all in src > make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/src« > make[3]: Für das Ziel »all« ist nichts zu tun. > make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/src« > Making all in include > make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/include« > make[3]: Für das Ziel »all« ist nichts zu tun. > make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/include« > make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« > make[3]: Für das Ziel »all-am« ist nichts zu tun. > make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« > make[2]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« > Making all in src > make[2]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/src« > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT @VORBIS_CFLAGS@ -I./../libgag/include > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT > -MT AI.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/AI.Tpo" -c -o AI.o AI.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/AI.Tpo" ".deps/AI.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/AI.Tpo"; exit > 1; fi > g++: @VORBIS_CFLAGS@: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden > make[2]: *** [AI.o] Fehler 1 > make[2]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/src« > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 > make[1]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2« > make: *** [all] Fehler 2 > leo@giszmos:~/globulation/glob2$ > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 03 20:57:05 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Eij7f-0008Dr-H4 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:57:04 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eij7a-0008Bp-DO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:56:58 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eij7X-00089L-MN for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:56:57 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eij7X-00088s-59 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:56:55 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Eij7m-0004y4-8F for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:57:10 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Eij7L-0002fK-C7 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:56:43 -0600 Message-ID: <43924CDD.5060402@randomvoids.com> Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:56:45 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] set of small todo things X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 01:57:02 -0000 IRC ping pong actually working (I believe andrew is working on this) metaserver updated to encrypt passwords metaserver update along with .16 so when we update to .17 or later it won't let people running older version login, keeps those issues down should we keep CVS users seperate from the stable users on YOG? possibly a seperate metaserver? At least the first two shouldn't be hard. Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 03 21:33:12 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Eijge-0005pp-A0 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:33:12 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eijgc-0005ph-31 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:33:10 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eijgb-0005pN-7V for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:33:09 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eijga-0005pK-W1 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:33:09 -0500 Received: from [64.233.184.195] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eijgq-0007LA-4q for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:33:24 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so394752wra for ; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:33:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=V2/4GZ/dkpazWS7isZQuS3Q79ws075nN5av5jXYHDVlrrF5pJjyNL5T1JWcirRgJ45KBsRuq5IjhMCWNtR4JsvgsChSGzOy8oYW2e+d4+ZFDQT0senoi0WBz3ZMpTiJWWlvfHKKErtvTzhD1usv8hAYk4yEMdLw+b9bCrdw1uME= Received: by 10.65.11.4 with SMTP id o4mr2169000qbi; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:32:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.153.19 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:32:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:32:59 -0800 From: Bradley Arsenault To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [glob2-devel] Embedded scripting language X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 02:33:10 -0000 Heres one thing to consider for post 0.8.16: an embedded scripting language. I know the discussion about one has been goin on for a while, but I thought I would bring the discussion to the mailing list. If you have ever played age of empires or age of mythology, you may take note of a few things. One, random map generation is abstract and high priority. Two, ai's are made in a c-style embedded language, same with random maps. Three, map scripting is fairly advanced. I believe that this idiom worked, and worked quite well, and I certainly believe that Globulation 2 should adopt a couple of these themes. And the best way to do that is to embedd a programming language, and use it for one, two and three. I know portability is an issue, and so is uncanny dependancies, so what programming language to choose may be a hard decision. If we wanted the utmost in flexibility and elegance, i would use boost::python and the python programming language, of which I have personall experience. If we wanted something really small and abstract, scheme may be a good choice. If we wanted an easily embedded procedural language, lua may be our main choice. My personall choice would be python, but it probably won't be chosen since dependancies are a big issue. I'm not sure how easy it would be to distribute python with the program. Python is certainly covered for all unixes, but we would have to use manual distributation for windows. Scheme could fit snugly into the code, and since Lua's main purpose is as an embedded language, it should not be difficult to use Lua for either circumstance. Design considerations are pretty abstract from language of choice. Random map generation is the one that strikes me as most important. Having played glob2 for quite a while, you begin to get a feel for certain maps, such as big ones like playground. You know exactly where your enemies are, where wood, wheat, stone and stuff are, you barely need explorers at all. You can generally figure out what angles your opponents attack from as well. So making good random map generators is important. My suggestion is to simply modify the gui, and integrate the language of chocie directly into the map interface to allow it direct control of generation of a map. Once thats done, we can slowly build a framework, in the embedded language, for map generation. I will reference age of empires again, because they did this and it worked for them, so looking at their designs (such as downloading random map scripts from aoe archives) may help us to make our design. Ai scripting isn't as trivial. Bassically, we need to expose the ai to the AI interface, the Order interface, and then work our way on from their into Player, Map, Team, and Game. Building, BuildingType, Unit, UnitType will all need to be exposed. However, no code elsewhere will need to be changed (except the gui code that lists ai names), because theinterface can be implemented as a subclass of AIimplementation. AI scripting will bassically force us to interface everything to the embedded languagem, unlike random map generation. As well, having modular ai's isn't as important as having goo,d modular random map scripts. And lastly, there is map scripting. Map scripting will obvioussly replace SGSL. But since I don't know much about SGSL, I won't bother stating requirements here. In my opponion, random map scripts are the most important, and equally require the least effort. From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 04 03:26:53 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EipCs-0000Su-IL for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 03:26:51 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EipCo-0000PW-Ds for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 03:26:46 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EipCl-0000OD-6L for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 03:26:44 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EipCk-0000O4-7k for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 03:26:42 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.48] (helo=mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EipD2-0003Fj-3x for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 03:27:00 -0500 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051204082634.OZCZ17804.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:26:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051204082631.UNKE16192.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:26:31 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1EipIp-48V-00 for ; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:32:59 +0000 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:32:59 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] set of small todo things Message-ID: <20051204083259.GA15807@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <43924CDD.5060402@randomvoids.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43924CDD.5060402@randomvoids.com> X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:26:48 -0000 On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 05:56:45PM -0800, Kyle Lutze wrote: > IRC ping pong actually working (I believe andrew is working on this) I'll try to work on this today, although if you've not heard anything else from me by the end of the day, you should assume I've got caught up with house-moving-related things. > > metaserver updated to encrypt passwords > > metaserver update along with .16 so when we update to .17 or later it > won't let people running older version login, keeps those issues down > I disagree - 0.16 certainly shouldn't be allowed to play in a game with 0.17 players, but players should be allowed to upgrade at their own pace - for example, if Glob2 is on a live CD somewhere, there's no sense in breaking that. > should we keep CVS users seperate from the stable users on YOG? possibly > a seperate metaserver? Separate how? So they aren't visible to one another? This strikes me as an interesting idea for the future, but not a priority for 1.0. - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 04 03:45:18 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EipUg-0007e9-Lu for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 03:45:15 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EipUc-0007cG-Tt for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 03:45:11 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EipUZ-0007ai-Nq for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 03:45:09 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EipUX-0007a0-Hs for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 03:45:06 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EipUp-0006Lv-Hh for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 03:45:23 -0500 Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051204084459.IRSJ21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:44:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051204084456.SKAK11396.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:44:56 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1Eipai-4DH-00 for ; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:51:28 +0000 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:51:28 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Embedded scripting language Message-ID: <20051204085128.GA15943@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:45:12 -0000 Embedded scripting language: The real problem with an embedded scripting language is that you have to write bindings into every part of the program, which means you have to have a strong understanding of every part of the program. I'd love to see an embedded scripting language in Glob2, but it seems to me that right now, anyone with a strong understanding of any part of the program is better off documenting/testing/rewriting it than adding scripting support to it. Personally, this is something I wouldn't get around to for a very long time, but I would be quite happy if anyone had a different analysis :) Incidentally, I've said this many times before, but my personal preference is for a LISP-related language such as Lua, because it makes it easier to do interesting things with evolving genetic algorithms for globs. Random map generation: The random map generator now works in 0.8.16. Having looked briefly at it, the making a good random map is very hard, and involves a lot of complex maths. It's a problem where the language you choose is almost irrelevant, as 90% of your code will be mathematical statements. If this is something you feel strongly about, I suggest you have a go at modifying the current random map generator or making a new one. - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 04 07:07:01 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EisLA-0008NN-JX for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 06:47:37 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EirvK-0007Jl-PD for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 06:20:55 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eir7W-0005u9-DS for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 05:29:29 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eir6P-0005oK-MG for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 05:28:18 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eir6i-0008UU-Gy for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 05:28:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F7C93B77 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:28:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29183-01 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:28:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2976393B6F for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:28:08 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?q?St=C3=A9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] set of small todo things Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:28:08 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <43924CDD.5060402@randomvoids.com> In-Reply-To: <43924CDD.5060402@randomvoids.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512041128.08496.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:47:28 -0000 On Sunday 04 December 2005 02:56, Kyle Lutze wrote: > IRC ping pong actually working (I believe andrew is working on this) > > metaserver updated to encrypt passwords Very good. I should to be on irc most of the day so we'll have the opportunity to talk, and perhaps even release 0.8.16. Did anyone have tested Nicowar ? Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 04 07:25:23 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Eisux-0007v1-Gf for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 07:24:36 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eisut-0007sd-4f for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 07:24:31 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eisp2-0006Kr-IW for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 07:18:29 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EirSY-0006en-3a for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 05:51:10 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EirSq-0004HT-AO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 05:51:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5C793B77 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:51:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29211-04 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:51:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7189493B6F for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:51:00 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Embedded scripting language Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:51:00 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512041151.00890.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:24:33 -0000 Hi, Your interest for scripting is perfectly justified, and we have been thinking a lot about it in the last few years. Challenges have been identified but because we were lazy we didn' summarize them properly in a wiki :-( Nevertheless here is a thread (lurked from the archive (http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/glob2-devel/), that can interest you a lot: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/glob2-devel/2005-05/msg00042.html Basically, as glob2 is synchronous, we need a script that: - execute the same on all computers (that forbides any use of float) - has a state that can be stored or reloaded Lua is a good script, and we were also thinking of squirrel, sort of "next generation lua" (http://www.squirrel-lang.org/). We still don't really now if the the point above are ok with squirrel, we have asked on their forum but until now we didn' get any answer (Marv correct me if I'm wrong) Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 04 07:59:47 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EitSz-00025I-Nf for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 07:59:46 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EitSv-00020x-VH for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 07:59:42 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EitSt-0001xv-5B for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 07:59:41 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EitSs-0001wM-9L for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 07:59:38 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EitTC-0005Y7-7a for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 07:59:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5769293B77 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:59:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30183-04 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:59:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D5193B6F for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:59:28 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Embedded scripting language Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:59:28 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512041359.28988.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:59:43 -0000 I would also be interested in what the people who are interested in map and campaign building would like to see in teh script language, if they do not take any technical detail or constraint into consideration. Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 04 08:11:39 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EiteU-0006fU-NH for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:11:38 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EiteS-0006cp-1X for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:11:36 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EiteQ-0006bH-2P for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:11:35 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EiteP-0006af-Dx for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:11:33 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eitej-0006vF-6p for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:11:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E443293B77 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:11:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30388-03 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:11:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25BE93B6F for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:11:24 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:11:25 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512041411.25350.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Subject: [glob2-devel] New gameplay element idea X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 13:11:37 -0000 Here is a new gameplay element I would like to present to you. Its purprose is to increase the set of strategic action players can do and thus, if it works as planned, make the game even more interesting :-) In the same time, it should also improve the ambiance. The idea is to add a new building, the singularity obelisk (the name is not definitive ;-)) that would allow any globule to instantly travel to any other obelisk, always using the optimal one. This can be not-too-hardly implemented by modifiying the gradient computation system so that when it encounters an obelisk, it looks around all other obelisks belonging to this player or its allies (obelisk sharing being a question to discuss) to see if there is a lower value for its target (or higher, depending the gradient algorithm conventions). Of course, an obelisk would be hard to build, and perhaps would consume, let say, papyrus ;-) (so that the Archwizards in it can write and cast spells to maintain singularity). We could even imagine to make the obelisks quite dangerous so that if they reserve of papyrus fall to zero singularity collapses and make a lot of damage around. What do you think of this idea ? Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 04 12:47:15 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EixxD-0002wv-7X for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:47:15 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EixxB-0002u4-1l for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:47:13 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eixx9-0002sw-Tw for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:47:12 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eixx7-0002sf-K4 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:47:11 -0500 Received: from [82.216.130.208] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EixxT-0002Cs-Kg for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:47:32 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8BA3F73B for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:47:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43932B94.6040006@fastmail.fm> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:47:00 +0100 From: MUNTEANU Olimpiu Andrei User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] New gameplay element idea References: <200512041411.25350.nct@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <200512041411.25350.nct@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:47:13 -0000 St=E9phane Magnenat wrote: >Here is a new gameplay element I would like to present to you. Its purpr= ose is=20 >to increase the set of strategic action players can do and thus, if it w= orks=20 >as planned, make the game even more interesting :-) In the same time, it= =20 >should also improve the ambiance. > >The idea is to add a new building, the singularity obelisk (the name is = not=20 >definitive ;-)) that would allow any globule to instantly travel to any = other=20 >obelisk, always using the optimal one. This can be not-too-hardly implem= ented=20 >by modifiying the gradient computation system so that when it encounters= an=20 >obelisk, it looks around all other obelisks belonging to this player or = its=20 >allies (obelisk sharing being a question to discuss) to see if there is = a=20 >lower value for its target (or higher, depending the gradient algorithm=20 >conventions). > >Of course, an obelisk would be hard to build, and perhaps would consume,= let=20 >say, papyrus ;-) (so that the Archwizards in it can write and cast spell= s to=20 >maintain singularity). We could even imagine to make the obelisks quite=20 >dangerous so that if they reserve of papyrus fall to zero singularity=20 >collapses and make a lot of damage around. > >What do you think of this idea ? > >Steph > > =20 > Its a good idea regarding speed too. We can change the way we see the=20 map. Why not make this obelisk make a light around at a very big=20 distance. We can make all other buildings without any flag. The rules should be: - if the player has no obelisk, he will be able to place one for free,=20 or the last obelisk a player has cannot be destroyed, and the player can=20 move it into a region already explored for free. - if the obelisk is inside a region that is already iluminated by some=20 other obelisk, it will cost a few money - if the obelisk is far in the dark, it will cost a lot much more Then the gradint of a building will only be computed in the area that is=20 illuminated by some obelisk that iluminated the building (one or more).=20 This way we do not have to compute gradients for the hole map. For all=20 other regions, the globule will have to travel through an obelisk, we=20 nead only one gradient to go to that obelisk. This also means players will not be able to atack without building an=20 obelisk. Other solution is to build global gradients for atack flags=20 that are in the dark. This gradients will not nead much recalcualtion=20 since the destination is not a resource. We laso nead global gradients for obelisks that are build in the dark,=20 only while they are constructed. No building should be alowed in the=20 dark since buildings do not make light any more. This will improve the speed on big maps, but will change also the gamepla= y. From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 04 13:09:15 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EiyIV-0002RD-Nf for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 13:09:15 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EiyIU-0002R8-Iz for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 13:09:14 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EiyIS-0002Qu-Tx for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 13:09:14 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EiyIS-0002Qr-Q3 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 13:09:12 -0500 Received: from [62.66.186.164] (helo=server.lue.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EiyIp-00075H-3s for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 13:09:35 -0500 Received: from [192.168.42.116] (node116.lue.dk [192.168.42.116]) by server.lue.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7938C5E51A for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:09:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <439330BF.4060201@lue.dk> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:09:03 +0100 From: Bo Lorentsen User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Embedded scripting language References: <200512041151.00890.nct@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <200512041151.00890.nct@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:09:14 -0000 St=E9phane Magnenat wrote: >Basically, as glob2 is synchronous, we need a script that: >- execute the same on all computers (that forbides any use of float) >- has a state that can be stored or reloaded > =20 > I think this is the most "special feature" that the glob2 demands of a=20 scripting language. To be able to execute only a limited and controlled=20 number of steps, and in the same time, also being able to persist this=20 together with the context and other runtime values, are quite demanding=20 :-) I think this is a interesting idea to implement, but it is also=20 demanding a very high level of control over the language VM. >Lua is a good script, and we were also thinking of squirrel, sort of "ne= xt=20 >generation lua" (http://www.squirrel-lang.org/). We still don't really n= ow if=20 >the the point above are ok with squirrel, we have asked on their forum b= ut=20 >until now we didn' get any answer (Marv correct me if I'm wrong) > =20 > I think non of these will be able to do these tricks, without rewrite of=20 some of the language core, and this goes for python too. But, what would happened if this execute step control, was droped ? What=20 are other RTS games doing to get this level of control ? /BL From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 04 15:05:03 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej06Y-0007e2-SJ for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:05:03 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej06W-0007cG-PP for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:05:00 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej06V-0007bK-IL for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:05:00 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej06V-0007bH-F0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:04:59 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ej06s-0006wG-1i for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:05:22 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Dec 2005 20:04:48 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-80-178.mnet-online.de (EHLO [192.168.0.25]) [82.135.80.178] by mail.gmx.net (mp035) with SMTP; 04 Dec 2005 21:04:48 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <43934C02.3050300@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:05:22 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] bug? or am i blind? References: <4390E753.2010106@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4390E753.2010106@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:05:01 -0000 hi list all my problems discussed in this thread are solved. The Loopback Interface somehow got lost and this did not result in an error :/ sorry for the confusion greets, Leo Leo Wandersleb wrote: > Hi List > > I have trouble compileing the cvs of 2nd of december 23:00 GMT. > > configure sais > > ./configure: line 6523: XIPH_PATH_VORBIS: command not found > > that seams to make make result in > > g++: @VORBIS_CFLAGS@: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden > (english: file or directory not found) > > thanx for support, > > Leo (Giszmo) > > > The complete output of bootstrap, configure, make: > > leo@giszmos:~/globulation/glob2$ ./bootstrap > configure.in: installing `./install-sh' > configure.in: installing `./missing' > data/Makefile.am:9: EXTRA_DIST multiply defined in condition TRUE ... > data/Makefile.am:5: ... `EXTRA_DIST' previously defined here > libgag/src/Makefile.am: installing `./depcomp' > src/Makefile.am:183: LIBS was already defined in condition TRUE, which > includes condition LINKSTATIC ... > configure.in:2: ... `LIBS' previously defined here > configure.in:3: installing `./config.guess' > configure.in:3: installing `./config.sub' > leo@giszmos:~/globulation/glob2$ ./configure > checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c > checking whether build environment is sane... yes > checking for gawk... no > checking for mawk... mawk > checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes > checking for gcc... gcc > checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out > checking whether the C compiler works... yes > checking whether we are cross compiling... no > checking for suffix of executables... > checking for suffix of object files... o > checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes > checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes > checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed > checking for style of include used by make... GNU > checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3 > checking for g++... g++ > checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes > checking whether g++ accepts -g... yes > checking dependency style of g++... gcc3 > checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c > checking for ranlib... ranlib > checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E > checking for egrep... grep -E > checking for ANSI C header files... yes > checking for working alloca.h... yes > checking for alloca... yes > checking for dirent.h that defines DIR... yes > checking for library containing opendir... none required > checking for sys/types.h... yes > checking for sys/stat.h... yes > checking for stdlib.h... yes > checking for string.h... yes > checking for memory.h... yes > checking for strings.h... yes > checking for inttypes.h... yes > checking for stdint.h... yes > checking for unistd.h... yes > checking for string.h... (cached) yes > checking sys/time.h usability... yes > checking sys/time.h presence... yes > checking for sys/time.h... yes > checking assert.h usability... yes > checking assert.h presence... yes > checking for assert.h... yes > checking zlib.h usability... yes > checking zlib.h presence... yes > checking for zlib.h... yes > checking for gzdopen in -lz... yes > checking speex/speex.h usability... yes > checking speex/speex.h presence... yes > checking for speex/speex.h... yes > checking speex.h usability... no > checking speex.h presence... no > checking for speex.h... no > checking for speex_encoder_init in -lspeex... yes > checking for sdl-config... /usr/bin/sdl-config > checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.0... yes > checking SDL_image.h usability... yes > checking SDL_image.h presence... yes > checking for SDL_image.h... yes > checking SDL_net.h usability... yes > checking SDL_net.h presence... yes > checking for SDL_net.h... yes > checking for IMG_Load_RW in -lSDL_image... yes > checking for SDLNet_UDP_Open in -lSDL_net... yes > checking for freetype-config... /usr/bin/freetype-config > checking for FreeType -- version >= 7.0.1... yes > ./configure: line 6523: XIPH_PATH_VORBIS: command not found > checking GL/gl.h usability... yes > checking GL/gl.h presence... yes > checking for GL/gl.h... yes > checking GL/glu.h usability... yes > checking GL/glu.h presence... yes > checking for GL/glu.h... yes > checking for glBegin in -lGL... yes > checking for gluOrtho2D in -lGLU... yes > checking for Mingw32... no > checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... g++ -E > checking vector usability... yes > checking vector presence... yes > checking for vector... yes > configure: creating ./config.status > config.status: creating Makefile > config.status: creating autopackage/default.apspec > config.status: creating autopackage/Makefile > config.status: creating src/Makefile > config.status: creating doc/Makefile > config.status: creating data/Makefile > config.status: creating data/gfx/Makefile > config.status: creating data/gfx/cursor/Makefile > config.status: creating data/fonts/Makefile > config.status: creating data/gui/Makefile > config.status: creating data/zik/Makefile > config.status: creating data/icons/Makefile > config.status: creating maps/Makefile > config.status: creating campaigns/Makefile > config.status: creating libgag/Makefile > config.status: creating libgag/include/Makefile > config.status: creating libgag/src/Makefile > config.status: creating gnupg/Makefile > config.status: creating config.h > config.status: executing depfiles commands > leo@giszmos:~/globulation/glob2$ make > make all-recursive > make[1]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2« > Making all in libgag > make[2]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« > Making all in src > make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/src« > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > GraphicContext.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GraphicContext.Tpo" -c -o > GraphicContext.o GraphicContext.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GraphicContext.Tpo" ".deps/GraphicContext.Po"; else rm > -f ".deps/GraphicContext.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT Sprite.o -MD > -MP -MF ".deps/Sprite.Tpo" -c -o Sprite.o Sprite.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/Sprite.Tpo" ".deps/Sprite.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/Sprite.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > TrueTypeFont.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/TrueTypeFont.Tpo" -c -o TrueTypeFont.o > TrueTypeFont.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/TrueTypeFont.Tpo" ".deps/TrueTypeFont.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/TrueTypeFont.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT FileManager.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/FileManager.Tpo" -c -o FileManager.o FileManager.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/FileManager.Tpo" ".deps/FileManager.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/FileManager.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT Toolkit.o -MD > -MP -MF ".deps/Toolkit.Tpo" -c -o Toolkit.o Toolkit.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/Toolkit.Tpo" ".deps/Toolkit.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/Toolkit.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT StringTable.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/StringTable.Tpo" -c -o StringTable.o StringTable.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/StringTable.Tpo" ".deps/StringTable.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/StringTable.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > CursorManager.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/CursorManager.Tpo" -c -o > CursorManager.o CursorManager.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/CursorManager.Tpo" ".deps/CursorManager.Po"; else rm > -f ".deps/CursorManager.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > SupportFunctions.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/SupportFunctions.Tpo" -c -o > SupportFunctions.o SupportFunctions.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/SupportFunctions.Tpo" ".deps/SupportFunctions.Po"; > else rm -f ".deps/SupportFunctions.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -MT SDL_ttf.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/SDL_ttf.Tpo" -c > -o SDL_ttf.o SDL_ttf.c; \ > then mv -f ".deps/SDL_ttf.Tpo" ".deps/SDL_ttf.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/SDL_ttf.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIBase.o -MD > -MP -MF ".deps/GUIBase.Tpo" -c -o GUIBase.o GUIBase.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUIBase.Tpo" ".deps/GUIBase.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUIBase.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIList.o -MD > -MP -MF ".deps/GUIList.Tpo" -c -o GUIList.o GUIList.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUIList.Tpo" ".deps/GUIList.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUIList.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIFileList.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIFileList.Tpo" -c -o GUIFileList.o GUIFileList.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUIFileList.Tpo" ".deps/GUIFileList.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUIFileList.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIRatio.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIRatio.Tpo" -c -o GUIRatio.o GUIRatio.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUIRatio.Tpo" ".deps/GUIRatio.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUIRatio.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUITextArea.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUITextArea.Tpo" -c -o GUITextArea.o GUITextArea.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUITextArea.Tpo" ".deps/GUITextArea.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUITextArea.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIButton.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIButton.Tpo" -c -o GUIButton.o GUIButton.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUIButton.Tpo" ".deps/GUIButton.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUIButton.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUINumber.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUINumber.Tpo" -c -o GUINumber.o GUINumber.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUINumber.Tpo" ".deps/GUINumber.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUINumber.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUIText.o -MD > -MP -MF ".deps/GUIText.Tpo" -c -o GUIText.o GUIText.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUIText.Tpo" ".deps/GUIText.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUIText.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > GUITextInput.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUITextInput.Tpo" -c -o GUITextInput.o > GUITextInput.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUITextInput.Tpo" ".deps/GUITextInput.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUITextInput.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT GUISelector.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUISelector.Tpo" -c -o GUISelector.o GUISelector.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUISelector.Tpo" ".deps/GUISelector.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUISelector.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > GUIAnimation.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIAnimation.Tpo" -c -o GUIAnimation.o > GUIAnimation.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUIAnimation.Tpo" ".deps/GUIAnimation.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/GUIAnimation.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > GUIMessageBox.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/GUIMessageBox.Tpo" -c -o > GUIMessageBox.o GUIMessageBox.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/GUIMessageBox.Tpo" ".deps/GUIMessageBox.Po"; else rm > -f ".deps/GUIMessageBox.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > StreamBackend.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/StreamBackend.Tpo" -c -o > StreamBackend.o StreamBackend.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/StreamBackend.Tpo" ".deps/StreamBackend.Po"; else rm > -f ".deps/StreamBackend.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > StreamFilter.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/StreamFilter.Tpo" -c -o StreamFilter.o > StreamFilter.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/StreamFilter.Tpo" ".deps/StreamFilter.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/StreamFilter.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT Stream.o -MD > -MP -MF ".deps/Stream.Tpo" -c -o Stream.o Stream.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/Stream.Tpo" ".deps/Stream.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/Stream.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT > BinaryStream.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/BinaryStream.Tpo" -c -o BinaryStream.o > BinaryStream.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/BinaryStream.Tpo" ".deps/BinaryStream.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/BinaryStream.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -I./../include/ -I/usr/include/SDL > -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -MT TextStream.o > -MD -MP -MF ".deps/TextStream.Tpo" -c -o TextStream.o TextStream.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/TextStream.Tpo" ".deps/TextStream.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/TextStream.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > rm -f libgag.a > ar cru libgag.a GraphicContext.o Sprite.o TrueTypeFont.o FileManager.o > Toolkit.o StringTable.o CursorManager.o SupportFunctions.o SDL_ttf.o > GUIBase.o GUIList.o GUIFileList.o GUIRatio.o GUITextArea.o GUIButton.o > GUINumber.o GUIText.o GUITextInput.o GUISelector.o GUIAnimation.o > GUIMessageBox.o StreamBackend.o StreamFilter.o Stream.o BinaryStream.o > TextStream.o > ranlib libgag.a > make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/src« > Making all in include > make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/include« > make[3]: Für das Ziel »all« ist nichts zu tun. > make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/include« > make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« > make[3]: Für das Ziel »all-am« ist nichts zu tun. > make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« > make[2]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« > Making all in src > make[2]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/src« > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT @VORBIS_CFLAGS@ -I./../libgag/include > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT > -MT IntBuildingType.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/IntBuildingType.Tpo" -c -o > IntBuildingType.o IntBuildingType.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/IntBuildingType.Tpo" ".deps/IntBuildingType.Po"; else > rm -f ".deps/IntBuildingType.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > g++: @VORBIS_CFLAGS@: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden > make[2]: *** [IntBuildingType.o] Fehler 1 > make[2]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/src« > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 > make[1]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2« > make: *** [all] Fehler 2 > leo@giszmos:~/globulation/glob2$ make > make all-recursive > make[1]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2« > Making all in libgag > make[2]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« > Making all in src > make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/src« > make[3]: Für das Ziel »all« ist nichts zu tun. > make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/src« > Making all in include > make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/include« > make[3]: Für das Ziel »all« ist nichts zu tun. > make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag/include« > make[3]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« > make[3]: Für das Ziel »all-am« ist nichts zu tun. > make[3]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« > make[2]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/libgag« > Making all in src > make[2]: Gehe in Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/src« > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT @VORBIS_CFLAGS@ -I./../libgag/include > -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -Wall -g -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT > -MT AI.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/AI.Tpo" -c -o AI.o AI.cpp; \ > then mv -f ".deps/AI.Tpo" ".deps/AI.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/AI.Tpo"; exit > 1; fi > g++: @VORBIS_CFLAGS@: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden > make[2]: *** [AI.o] Fehler 1 > make[2]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2/src« > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 > make[1]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/leo/globulation/glob2« > make: *** [all] Fehler 2 > leo@giszmos:~/globulation/glob2$ > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 04 15:37:08 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej0bc-0003Kg-4I for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:37:08 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej0bZ-0003K4-Vs for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:37:06 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej0bY-0003JD-EE for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:37:05 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej0bX-0003J6-Ol for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:37:03 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.48] (helo=mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ej0bv-0005xM-3i for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:37:27 -0500 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051204203655.MHUZ17804.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:36:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051204203655.DNMR16192.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:36:55 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1Ej0i1-3t4-00 for ; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:43:45 +0000 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:43:44 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Embedded scripting language Message-ID: <20051204204344.GA14857@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <200512041151.00890.nct@ysagoon.com> <439330BF.4060201@lue.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <439330BF.4060201@lue.dk> X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:37:06 -0000 On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 07:09:03PM +0100, Bo Lorentsen wrote: > > But, what would happened if this execute step control, was droped ? What > are other RTS games doing to get this level of control ? > Well, this can be dropped for AI scripting, where it's easy enough to have the AI run on one computer, and orders sent to the others. In fact, it should be possible to have map scripted events be calculated on one computer and sent as orders to the other computers, which would more-or-less remove the need for synchronous scripting. That said, this depends on a complete rewrite of the order system, which itself isn't scheduled until after 1.1alpha1 is released. Part of the reason we don't talk about this is that it becomes too tempting to go and rewrite it :) - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 04 16:00:01 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej0xl-0007H9-Bd for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:00:01 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej0xk-0007GG-2c for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:00:00 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej0xg-0007E9-CQ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:59:59 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej0uk-00060p-TR for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:56:54 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ej0v8-0002a9-FE for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:57:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B8D93B77 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:56:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15531-03 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:56:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61CE93B6F for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:56:44 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:56:46 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512042156.46351.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Subject: [glob2-devel] Glob2 0.8.16 has been release X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:00:00 -0000 source: http://epfl.ysagoon.com/~glob2/data/glob2-0.8.16.tar.gz debian sarge: http://epfl.ysagoon.com/~glob2/data/glob2_alpha16_i386.deb Changes since alpha15: * Gameplay - Exploration flag now allows the player to choose between basic explorers and upgraded ones that can attack ground - Explorer damage against buildings is now constant, rather than being proportional to the number of squares the explorer's pulse hits. - The "inn bug" has been fixed: vast numbers of workers could previously be trapped by almost-full inns. - The Campaign has been slightly improved - The game now admits it when you win by prestige - New AI: Nicowar (still unstable, for testing only for now) * General improvements - It is now possible to send IRC command from within the game by typing //CMD Argument (single / send YOG commands). In the chat room, of course, a single / works for both YOG and IRC. - PNG's sizes reduced by pngcrush - Several crash bugs fixed - The output of the game is now much quieter - Changed YOG metaserver address to yog.globulation2.org - Changed YOG IRC server address to irc.globulation2.org - IRC module now responds to IRC Pings - Use a free sans serif font from dejavu (http://dejavu.sourceforge.net) Ports and VoIP on Win32 and OS X welcome. Enjoy, Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 04 16:15:29 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej1Cj-00029a-IU for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:15:29 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej1Ch-00029Q-VF for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:15:28 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej1Cf-00029D-JW for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:15:26 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej1Cf-00029A-Gt for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:15:25 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ej1D3-0006YH-7x for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 16:15:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7CB93B77 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:15:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15743-04 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:15:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1895893B6F for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:15:16 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:15:17 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512042215.17785.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Subject: [glob2-devel] To anyone who use CVS X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:15:28 -0000 Please do a ./syncdata and a ./syncmaps. I've indeed modified the graphics (recompressed), changed the fonts (to get ride of the Serious policy violations debian put on my back) and Andrew fixed the English of the campaign. Thanks, Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 04 20:45:53 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej5QO-0007wA-VE for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:45:53 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej5QN-0007ud-Nd for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:45:51 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej5QM-0007uE-2u for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:45:51 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej5QL-0007uB-Us for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:45:50 -0500 Received: from [82.216.130.208] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ej5Ql-0001XG-Jr for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:46:15 -0500 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 0FE95AD350; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:48:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 02:48:04 +0100 From: Munteanu Alexandru To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] globulation2.org wiki database locked Message-ID: <20051205014804.GA2072@yahoo.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Munteanu Alexandru , Globulation2 development mailing list References: <438CF6BD.5050304@randomvoids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <438CF6BD.5050304@randomvoids.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 01:45:52 -0000 --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 04:47:57PM -0800, Kyle Lutze wrote: > I have currently locked the wiki database from being edited to keep=20 > things from going crazy. ion_bidon and I are working on some database=20 > changes, and any edits might corrupt everything, so it's locked to keep= =20 > it from doing that (yes, we do have plenty of backups). >=20 > Kyle The database is now unlocked. You can edit the wiki and post to the forums. We have finished the mediawiki/phpbb users integration. From now on, each person has the same account on both mediawiki and the forum. Those who were already registered can still register with their old username/password. Please report if you find any bugs on the mailing list (giving the exact error message - phpbb has nice error message :). We may put some news in the "migration news" section of the globulation2.org wiki if necessary. Have fun :) Alex --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDk5xUUgToylQKtsURAm4cAKCaHct1GNgGp14JX4vSf5YXZMinAACgnZNf 1nAjSIgEyUspIs7LQEVW/nk= =wU68 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 04 23:33:14 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej82M-0006W2-22 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:33:14 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej82J-0006TZ-Jk for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:33:11 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej82H-0006Rj-IF for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:33:11 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ej82H-0006RP-2F for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:33:09 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Ej82i-0005xq-4P for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:33:36 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Ej823-0007AL-Oz for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:32:55 -0600 Message-ID: <4393C2F9.7040005@randomvoids.com> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:32:57 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] globulation2.org wiki database locked References: <438CF6BD.5050304@randomvoids.com> <20051205014804.GA2072@yahoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <20051205014804.GA2072@yahoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 04:33:11 -0000 Munteanu Alexandru wrote: > We have finished the mediawiki/phpbb users integration. From now on, > each person has the same account on both mediawiki and the > forum. Those who were already registered can still register with their > old username/password. Please report if you find any bugs on the > mailing list (giving the exact error message - phpbb has nice error > message :). > > We may put some news in the "migration news" section of the > globulation2.org wiki if necessary. > Well, close enough anyway, we still got a few more things to do, such as email confirmation for mediawiki, and eventually I hope to mix the ban management. Side note: I'm taking C++ next year :D Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 05 03:33:45 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjBn6-0008QT-5x for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 03:33:44 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjBmb-000887-WF for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 03:33:14 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjBmW-00083C-A6 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 03:33:10 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjBmU-000823-IA for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 03:33:07 -0500 Received: from [129.194.9.228] (helo=romeo.unige.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjBmx-0005dm-F7 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 03:33:35 -0500 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.romeo.unige.ch by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) id <0IR000601NQVC0@romeo.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:32:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from eig.unige.ch (eig.unige.ch [129.194.184.2]) by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) with ESMTP id <0IR0000IRNQV9M@romeo.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:32:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from [192.168.4.5] ([129.194.185.167]) by EIG.UNIGE.CH (PMDF V5.2-32 #37940) with ESMTP id <01LW787S62LU9FM7TO@EIG.UNIGE.CH> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:41:13 +0200 (MET-DST) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:27:23 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3TDqXBoYW5lIE1hZ25lbmF0?= Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] globulation2.org wiki database locked In-reply-to: <4393C2F9.7040005@randomvoids.com> To: Globulation2 development mailing list Message-id: <4393F9EB.6090807@ysagoon.com> X-Envelope-from: nct@ysagoon.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) References: <438CF6BD.5050304@randomvoids.com> <20051205014804.GA2072@yahoo.fr> <4393C2F9.7040005@randomvoids.com> X-Comment: This message was scanned against viruses by romeo.unige.ch. X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:33:15 -0000 > Well, close enough anyway, we still got a few more things to do, su= ch as=20 > email confirmation for mediawiki, and eventually I hope to mix the = ban=20 > management. Please do not implement the stupid phpbb behaviour which send clear t= ext=20 password in mails! Thanks :-) Ste=C3=A8h From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 05 07:13:29 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjFDk-000878-Q7 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:13:29 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjF7S-0006sj-Ql for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:06:59 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjDDZ-0006M5-P3 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 05:05:13 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjD2I-0005Y2-VW for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 04:53:32 -0500 Received: from [64.233.162.197] (helo=zproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjD2m-0001dV-Cb for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 04:54:00 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so1139391nzh for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 01:53:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NXr07a45Gp1gN6T+28La8Kua0fNEY4VBA9jBjpTQbyUJIXxmBjzu0hu2P8ceo1qjH2RMrqEIrJmeScPaevZO/L5PQFCki2qER00GjUPZtE+J6VNU1PorAthvXuixtq2tAXe2MEATVfuyDCcWhpXdf/IkhpIIi2JKL+DlGxSA40E= Received: by 10.65.11.9 with SMTP id o9mr2554209qbi; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 01:53:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.199.19 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 01:53:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:53:20 +0100 From: Martin Voelkle To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Embedded scripting language In-Reply-To: <20051204204344.GA14857@nautilus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200512041151.00890.nct@ysagoon.com> <439330BF.4060201@lue.dk> <20051204204344.GA14857@nautilus> X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:13:26 -0000 > > But, what would happened if this execute step control, was droped ? Wha= t > > are other RTS games doing to get this level of control ? > > > > Well, this can be dropped for AI scripting, where it's easy enough to > have the AI run on one computer, and orders sent to the others. In > fact, it should be possible to have map scripted events be calculated on > one computer and sent as orders to the other computers, which would > more-or-less remove the need for synchronous scripting. That said, this > depends on a complete rewrite of the order system, which itself isn't > scheduled until after 1.1alpha1 is released. Part of the reason we > don't talk about this is that it becomes too tempting to go and rewrite > it :) Exactly. Determinism can be dropped if the script is executed on one host o= nly. But saving and restoring state is a must have if you want to keep the scenario state on the execution stack: wait(condition) do(something) wait(other condition) do(something else) ... Otherwise, we could use a special state machine library and a big switch: switch(getState()) { case 1: wait(condition) do(something) setState(2) case 2: wait(other condition) do(something else) ... } In this case, the script is executed at each step from the begining until we find a call to wait whose condition is false. The state mutators modify a variable external from the script which can be saved with the game. A complete analysis of TCO for both approaches from the point of view of a scenario writer is left as an exercise for the reader (drop it on this list in a message with subject 'get the facts'). Marv From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 05 09:15:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjH8A-0001NI-BO for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:15:50 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjH86-0001Me-Kt for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:15:47 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjH82-0001Lw-R9 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:15:45 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjH82-0001Lq-CD for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:15:42 -0500 Received: from [62.66.186.164] (helo=server.lue.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjH8X-00086R-J7 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:16:13 -0500 Received: from [192.168.42.116] (node116.lue.dk [192.168.42.116]) by server.lue.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DC95E51A for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:15:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43944B83.7080608@lue.dk> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:15:31 +0100 From: Bo Lorentsen User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Embedded scripting language References: <200512041151.00890.nct@ysagoon.com> <439330BF.4060201@lue.dk> <20051204204344.GA14857@nautilus> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:15:47 -0000 Martin Voelkle wrote: > Exactly. Determinism can be dropped if the script is executed on one > host only. > >But saving and restoring state is a must have if you want to keep the >scenario state on the execution stack: >wait(condition) >do(something) >wait(other condition) >do(something else) > > Ahh, so you wish to use "wait" like in the old days when we in windows (16) used "yield" to let other programs get some processor time. The only difference is the demand/need to persist in between waits ? I thought it had something to do with the network part of globulation to let all machines execute the same amount of functionality per node regardless of the hardware configuration, as a kind of fairness balancer :-) >A complete analysis of TCO for both approaches from the point of view >of a scenario writer is left as an exercise for the reader (drop it on >this list in a message with subject 'get the facts'). > > And the argument must be in favor of the switch/case solution then :-) /BL From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 05 10:42:15 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjITn-00049U-1r for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:42:15 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjITk-00046e-P5 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:42:12 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjITi-00044O-V5 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:42:12 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjITi-00043r-AK for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:42:10 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EjIUE-0007Sa-AU for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:42:42 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EjITW-00087h-Ko for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:41:58 -0600 Message-ID: <43945FC6.7020303@randomvoids.com> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:41:58 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] globulation2.org wiki database locked References: <438CF6BD.5050304@randomvoids.com> <20051205014804.GA2072@yahoo.fr> <4393C2F9.7040005@randomvoids.com> <4393F9EB.6090807@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <4393F9EB.6090807@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:42:13 -0000 Stéphane Magnenat wrote: >> Well, close enough anyway, we still got a few more things to do, such >> as email confirmation for mediawiki, and eventually I hope to mix the >> ban management. > > > Please do not implement the stupid phpbb behaviour which send clear text > password in mails! Thanks :-) > > Steèh > I don't know why it does that! :( If you know how to fix that, please do! From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 05 11:05:46 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjIqX-0002Ns-Qs for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:05:45 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjIqV-0002Lb-1v for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:05:43 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjIqQ-0002IC-SU for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:05:41 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjIqQ-0002I4-C1 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:05:38 -0500 Received: from [129.194.9.228] (helo=romeo.unige.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjIqw-0006EU-Id for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:06:10 -0500 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.romeo.unige.ch by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) id <0IR1008018P19D@romeo.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:05:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from eig.unige.ch (eig.unige.ch [129.194.184.2]) by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) with ESMTP id <0IR100L928P1BO@romeo.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:05:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from [192.168.4.5] ([129.194.185.167]) by EIG.UNIGE.CH (PMDF V5.2-32 #37940) with ESMTP id <01LW7O0S1YJC9FM8SH@EIG.UNIGE.CH> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:13:43 +0200 (MET-DST) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:59:47 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Embedded scripting language In-reply-to: To: Globulation2 development mailing list Message-id: <439463F3.1000202@ysagoon.com> X-Envelope-from: nct@ysagoon.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) References: <200512041151.00890.nct@ysagoon.com> <439330BF.4060201@lue.dk> <20051204204344.GA14857@nautilus> X-Comment: This message was scanned against viruses by romeo.unige.ch. X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:05:43 -0000 > Exactly. Determinism can be dropped if the script is executed on one host only. Yes but then the script must issues order and not modify any of the game variables directly, which imho is a too big drawback. Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 05 11:08:11 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjIst-0003gi-EX for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:08:11 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjIsp-0003fn-RK for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:08:08 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjIsm-0003eb-80 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:08:06 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjIsm-0003eU-1C for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:08:04 -0500 Received: from [129.194.9.198] (helo=mike.unige.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjItI-0006uA-0R for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:08:36 -0500 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mike.unige.ch by mike.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) id <0IR1000018T40N@mike.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:07:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from eig.unige.ch (eig.unige.ch [129.194.184.2]) by mike.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) with ESMTP id <0IR100N0Q8T351@mike.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:07:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.4.5] ([129.194.185.167]) by EIG.UNIGE.CH (PMDF V5.2-32 #37940) with ESMTP id <01LW7O3SPU8M9FM8SH@EIG.UNIGE.CH> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:16:09 +0200 (MET-DST) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:02:12 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Embedded scripting language In-reply-to: <43944B83.7080608@lue.dk> To: Globulation2 development mailing list Message-id: <43946484.6060306@ysagoon.com> X-Envelope-from: nct@ysagoon.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) References: <200512041151.00890.nct@ysagoon.com> <439330BF.4060201@lue.dk> <20051204204344.GA14857@nautilus> <43944B83.7080608@lue.dk> X-Comment: This message was scanned against viruses by mike.unige.ch. X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:08:09 -0000 >> A complete analysis of TCO for both approaches from the point of view >> of a scenario writer is left as an exercise for the reader (drop it on >> this list in a message with subject 'get the facts'). >> >> > And the argument must be in favor of the switch/case solution then :-) Well, I won't be so sure: having multiple cooperative thread (right now glob2 preempt threads if they use too much instruction per steps, and preemption is syncronous!) allow to specify one behaviour per thread, which is much cleaner, easier to understand and maintain that a big state machine. If you doubt, see how our big states machines in units and buildings are a mess and you'll get an idea of why we should avoid giant state machines whenever possible. Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 05 13:07:07 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjKjz-0000KG-5d for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:07:07 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjKjw-0000Jc-SX for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:07:05 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjKju-0000Iu-LC for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:07:04 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjKju-0000In-GJ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:07:02 -0500 Received: from [62.66.186.164] (helo=server.lue.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjKkR-0008LB-7s for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:07:35 -0500 Received: from [192.168.42.116] (node116.lue.dk [192.168.42.116]) by server.lue.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3B45E54B for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:06:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <439481BB.7060105@lue.dk> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:06:51 +0100 From: Bo Lorentsen User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Embedded scripting language References: <200512041151.00890.nct@ysagoon.com> <439330BF.4060201@lue.dk> <20051204204344.GA14857@nautilus> <43944B83.7080608@lue.dk> <43946484.6060306@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43946484.6060306@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:07:05 -0000 St=E9phane Magnenat wrote: > Well, I won't be so sure: having multiple cooperative thread (right=20 > now glob2 preempt threads if they use too much instruction per steps,=20 > and preemption is syncronous!) allow to specify one behaviour per=20 > thread, which is much cleaner, easier to understand and maintain that=20 > a big state machine. If you doubt, see how our big states machines in=20 > units and buildings are a mess and you'll get an idea of why we should=20 > avoid giant state machines whenever possible. Sorry about the misunderstanding, I totally agree with You. I just tried=20 to make a joke inspired by the "get the fact" hint ... and failed :-) /BL From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 05 16:34:18 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjNyU-00017l-Ec for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:34:18 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjNyT-00017f-Ks for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:34:17 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjNyR-00017F-Ux for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:34:17 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjNyR-00017C-Sq for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:34:15 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjNz0-0000cN-FI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:34:50 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Dec 2005 21:34:00 -0000 Received: from ppp-62-245-161-232.mnet-online.de (EHLO [192.168.0.25]) [62.245.161.232] by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 05 Dec 2005 22:34:00 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <4394B275.7080703@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:34:45 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] New gameplay element idea References: <200512041411.25350.nct@ysagoon.com> <43932B94.6040006@fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: <43932B94.6040006@fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:34:17 -0000 I like the original idea of obelisks very much (although it would collide with my ideas of makeing the explorers into public transportation.) but changeing the wavefront-algorithem in a way you MUST use obelisks for remote regions would interfere far more significantly than the original idea by Stephane and thus would probably mess up more than the gameplay would profit from it. i guess it would fit into the actual wavefront as i understood it with very few modifications (the local gradient every glob carries with it would multiply by the count of obeliscs if it walks past of one of these, right? same with buildings near obelisks.) how about diablo's teleports? you can use those you have already reached on your feet and they are static map elements. Or your swarms act as teleports for globs and take time to pass (15 steps in the wavefront = an adequate amount of time depending on walking-speed, or even a teleporting-speed ability developeable at a school-like building that comes after lev. 2 schools. but not for warriors and explorers. explorers can carry warriors (please!) ;) Greetings, Leo From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 05 20:44:55 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjRt0-0000dL-RI for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:44:55 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjRsy-0000cj-Qr for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:44:53 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjRsw-0000cH-Hk for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:44:52 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjRsv-0000cB-SB for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:44:50 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EjRtW-0007zY-Ih for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:45:26 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EjRse-00067O-WF for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:44:33 -0600 Message-ID: <4394ED02.8090501@randomvoids.com> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:44:34 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] New gameplay element idea References: <200512041411.25350.nct@ysagoon.com> <43932B94.6040006@fastmail.fm> <4394B275.7080703@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4394B275.7080703@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 01:44:53 -0000 for the obelisks, what about having them work by having to have multiple ones, and units can pass through them freely to get to their destination faster. Can't teleport to random spots, and must be of a certain level in school to do it, 3? Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 05 21:05:46 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjSDC-0007ti-Iv for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:05:46 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjSDB-0007tN-GB for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:05:45 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjSD9-0007sK-DY for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:05:44 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjSD9-0007sD-5K for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:05:43 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjSDj-0003tW-Nj for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:06:20 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 06 Dec 2005 02:05:31 -0000 Received: from ppp-62-245-161-232.mnet-online.de (EHLO [192.168.0.25]) [62.245.161.232] by mail.gmx.net (mp030) with SMTP; 06 Dec 2005 03:05:31 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <4394F21A.8060609@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 03:06:18 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] New gameplay element idea References: <200512041411.25350.nct@ysagoon.com> <43932B94.6040006@fastmail.fm> <4394B275.7080703@gmx.de> <4394ED02.8090501@randomvoids.com> In-Reply-To: <4394ED02.8090501@randomvoids.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 02:05:45 -0000 Kyle Lutze wrote: > for the obelisks, what about having them work by having to have multiple > ones, and units can pass through them freely to get to their destination > faster. Can't teleport to random spots, i thought it was meant that way. > and must be of a certain level > in school to do it, 3? that's what i would vote for (for a start) Leo From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 06 03:23:56 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjY79-0002VV-Ss for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 03:23:56 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjY77-0002VE-O7 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 03:23:53 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjY76-0002Ux-P6 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 03:23:52 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjY76-0002Ur-Bb for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 03:23:52 -0500 Received: from [64.233.184.203] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjY7k-0003iw-1p for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 03:24:32 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so294965wra for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:23:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GlrS/DcXJF8GkGc2TCGaw2mpLjX5JoHWz8yIOjffhOEKu7eNCDJLuSyDwVaB5S72BXY85EydslHz0jEjXzECXFjqQQsgLA5or+07ncpjsds/+JaAKF1wzt3YRGAql5jUGMbfdhFqk5HF1el5baTtZmfuMTRWyQLP4wVoHBRoE0A= Received: by 10.64.249.4 with SMTP id w4mr218229qbh; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.199.19 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:23:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:23:39 +0100 From: Martin Voelkle To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Embedded scripting language In-Reply-To: <43944B83.7080608@lue.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200512041151.00890.nct@ysagoon.com> <439330BF.4060201@lue.dk> <20051204204344.GA14857@nautilus> <43944B83.7080608@lue.dk> X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:23:54 -0000 > > Exactly. Determinism can be dropped if the script is executed on one > > host only. > > > >But saving and restoring state is a must have if you want to keep the > >scenario state on the execution stack: > >wait(condition) > >do(something) > >wait(other condition) > >do(something else) > > > > > Ahh, so you wish to use "wait" like in the old days when we in windows > (16) used "yield" to let other programs get some processor time. The > only difference is the demand/need to persist in between waits ? Yep. At least to _be able_ to persist, in case the user saves the game. > I thought it had something to do with the network part of globulation to > let all machines execute the same amount of functionality per node > regardless of the hardware configuration, as a kind of fairness balancer = :-) Actually, the current script execution limit is a fixed arbitrary amount of instructions and has nothing to do with execution time. But a dynamic limit could be computed between the different hosts of a game in order to lower the script execution time if one of the hosts is too slow. Martin From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 06 08:24:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjcoN-0001gK-2z for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:24:51 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjcoK-0001g4-LE for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:24:48 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjcoH-0001fX-Gz for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:24:48 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjcoG-0001fS-U0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:24:45 -0500 Received: from [62.66.186.164] (helo=server.lue.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ejcow-0000yY-Mc for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:25:26 -0500 Received: from [192.168.42.116] (node116.lue.dk [192.168.42.116]) by server.lue.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBF55E54B for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:24:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43959111.3090407@lue.dk> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:24:33 +0100 From: Bo Lorentsen User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Embedded scripting language References: <200512041151.00890.nct@ysagoon.com> <439330BF.4060201@lue.dk> <20051204204344.GA14857@nautilus> <43944B83.7080608@lue.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:24:49 -0000 Martin Voelkle wrote: >Actually, the current script execution limit is a fixed arbitrary >amount of instructions and has nothing to do with execution time. But >a dynamic limit could be computed between the different hosts of a >game in order to lower the script execution time if one of the hosts >is too slow. > > Ok, nice ... this is what I have plans for in TEA. The language have a small stack based VM and the executer will be able to execute a given number of instructions, or return on a wait instruction. I only need to make a special kind of context that are able to hold all execution relavant data, outside the executer and is able to persist 100%. I am not there yet but very close :-) /BL From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 06 08:55:52 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjdIN-0001Rt-C0 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:55:51 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjdIJ-0001QZ-Ox for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:55:47 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjdIH-0001PL-4T for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:55:46 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjdIG-0001PB-Vm for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:55:45 -0500 Received: from [129.194.9.228] (helo=romeo.unige.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjdIw-0004jb-VC for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:56:27 -0500 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.romeo.unige.ch by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) id <0IR200K01XCGN1@romeo.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:55:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from eig.unige.ch (eig.unige.ch [129.194.184.2]) by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) with ESMTP id <0IR200ENSXCI5F@romeo.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:55:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from [192.168.4.5] ([129.194.185.167]) by EIG.UNIGE.CH (PMDF V5.2-32 #37940) with ESMTP id <01LW8XR1GCKC9FMBW7@EIG.UNIGE.CH> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:03:46 +0200 (MET-DST) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:49:57 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3TDqXBoYW5lIE1hZ25lbmF0?= Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] New gameplay element idea In-reply-to: <4394F21A.8060609@gmx.de> To: Globulation2 development mailing list Message-id: <43959705.9080009@ysagoon.com> X-Envelope-from: nct@ysagoon.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) References: <200512041411.25350.nct@ysagoon.com> <43932B94.6040006@fastmail.fm> <4394B275.7080703@gmx.de> <4394ED02.8090501@randomvoids.com> <4394F21A.8060609@gmx.de> X-Comment: This message was scanned against viruses by romeo.unige.ch. X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:55:49 -0000 Leo Wandersleb wrote: > Kyle Lutze wrote: > >> for the obelisks, what about having them work by having to have >> multiple ones, and units can pass through them freely to get to their >> destination faster. Can't teleport to random spots, > > > i thought it was meant that way. It was. >> and must be of a certain level in school to do it, 3? > > that's what i would vote for (for a start) Well, I would much better require a certain level to build obelisk otherwise we have to make even more gradients, which is extremly bad for speed. Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 06 10:43:42 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejeyk-0006iB-JT for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:43:42 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejeyi-0006ha-8k for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:43:40 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejeyf-0006gl-Tz for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:43:39 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejeyf-0006gg-G7 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:43:37 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EjezM-0007nd-BM for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:44:20 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153]) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EjeyP-0005Rx-FB for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:43:21 -0600 Message-ID: <4395B197.5090909@randomvoids.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 07:43:19 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] New gameplay element idea References: <200512041411.25350.nct@ysagoon.com> <43932B94.6040006@fastmail.fm> <4394B275.7080703@gmx.de> <4394ED02.8090501@randomvoids.com> <4394F21A.8060609@gmx.de> <43959705.9080009@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43959705.9080009@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:43:40 -0000 Stéphane Magnenat wrote: > Leo Wandersleb wrote: > >> Kyle Lutze wrote: >> >>> for the obelisks, what about having them work by having to have >>> multiple ones, and units can pass through them freely to get to their >>> destination faster. Can't teleport to random spots, >> >> >> >> i thought it was meant that way. > > > It was. > >>> and must be of a certain level in school to do it, 3? >> >> >> that's what i would vote for (for a start) > > > Well, I would much better require a certain level to build obelisk > otherwise we have to make even more gradients, which is extremly bad for > speed. > > Steph well then, get crackin ;P Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 06 10:48:28 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejf3L-0008LZ-RL for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:48:27 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejf3K-0008L3-Fn for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:48:26 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejf3H-0008Jq-PC for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:48:25 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejf3H-0008Jk-Hg for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:48:23 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Ejf3y-0000to-9N for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:49:06 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Ejf31-0005es-Ep for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:48:07 -0600 Message-ID: <4395B2B7.8020403@randomvoids.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 07:48:07 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] big issue in .16 ! X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:48:26 -0000 appleboy@dioxide ~ $ glob2 Settings::load("preferences.txt") : error, can't open file. it won't create the preferences.txt file if it doesn't exist! From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 06 13:43:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejhn5-0003VX-8B for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:43:51 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejhn2-0003UA-NI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:43:48 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejhn0-0003Sk-1z for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:43:47 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejhmz-0003ST-Mo for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:43:45 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ejhnh-0003ZQ-QO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:44:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4268193B71 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:43:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08739-01 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:43:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (unknown [192.168.1.34]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EEE93B66 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:43:27 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?q?St=C3=A9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] big issue in .16 ! Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:43:37 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <4395B2B7.8020403@randomvoids.com> In-Reply-To: <4395B2B7.8020403@randomvoids.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512061943.37646.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:43:49 -0000 On Tuesday 06 December 2005 16:48, Kyle Lutze wrote: > appleboy@dioxide ~ $ glob2 > Settings::load("preferences.txt") : error, can't open file. > > it won't create the preferences.txt file if it doesn't exist! It will not load it, but on next settings change save it should create it. If the behaviours differs it is a bug; could you be more precise please? Thanks, Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 06 14:06:35 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Eji94-0001AW-UF for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:06:34 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eji92-00017h-Ix for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:06:32 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eji91-00016h-1l for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:06:31 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eji90-00016Z-VG for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:06:30 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eji9j-0000zi-9X for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:07:15 -0500 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051206190615.VZPX21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:06:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051206190615.FTAE18425.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:06:15 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1EjiFY-2nZ-00 for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:13:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:13:15 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] big issue in .16 ! Message-ID: <20051206191315.GA10638@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <4395B2B7.8020403@randomvoids.com> <200512061943.37646.nct@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200512061943.37646.nct@ysagoon.com> X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:06:33 -0000 On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 07:43:37PM +0100, St?phane Magnenat wrote: > On Tuesday 06 December 2005 16:48, Kyle Lutze wrote: > > appleboy@dioxide ~ $ glob2 > > Settings::load("preferences.txt") : error, can't open file. > > > > it won't create the preferences.txt file if it doesn't exist! > > It will not load it, but on next settings change save it should create it. If > the behaviours differs it is a bug; could you be more precise please? Thanks, It seems that the tarball: http://epfl.ysagoon.com/~glob2/data/glob2-0.8.16.tar.gz is missing data/texts.* (but on visual inspection seems to have all the other files), which is causing other errors: Fatal error : while loading "data/texts.list.txt" glob2: GlobalContainer.cpp:383: void GlobalContainer::load(): Assertion `false' failed. - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 06 14:13:54 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjiGA-00031v-Me for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:13:54 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjiG9-00031q-VY for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:13:54 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjiG8-00031b-6n for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:13:53 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjiG8-00031Y-0p for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:13:52 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.48] (helo=mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjiGq-0002kv-9s for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:14:36 -0500 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051206191336.YJNY17804.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:13:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051206191336.LEXK16192.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:13:36 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1EjiMe-2pn-00 for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:20:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:20:36 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] New gameplay element idea Message-ID: <20051206192036.GA10393@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <200512041411.25350.nct@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200512041411.25350.nct@ysagoon.com> X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:13:54 -0000 I have two big questions about this idea really: First, when would you plan to include it? If we're trying to move the 1.0 branch towards a beta stage, a big gameplay (and architecture) change would be quite hard to deal with. The 1.1 branch is currently aiming at having no significant gameplay changes, so that would be tricky too. Second, I'm always a bit skeptical of adding new buildings/units rather than working on old ones. Why not roll these ideas into markets? Markets are essentially useless for their stated purpose at the moment, as it's no easier to use a market than it is to go directly to the resources it's fed by. By allowing resources or even globs to be transported between markets, we make them much more interesting. - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 06 14:24:13 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjiQ9-0004xo-GF for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:24:13 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjiQ6-0004uf-MO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:24:10 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjiQ4-0004sh-OB for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:24:10 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjiQ4-0004sV-IY for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:24:08 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EjiQn-000534-4z for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:24:53 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EjiPo-0004QN-64 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:23:52 -0600 Message-ID: <4395E548.4060702@randomvoids.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:23:52 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] New gameplay element idea References: <200512041411.25350.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051206192036.GA10393@nautilus> In-Reply-To: <20051206192036.GA10393@nautilus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:24:11 -0000 I agree with Andrew, I would prefer to have the game rewritten, if that's what we're going to do, before we start making more changes. Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 06 14:32:19 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjiXz-00005u-47 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:32:19 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjiXx-0008W2-GE for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:32:17 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjiXv-0008UV-Ts for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:32:17 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjiXu-0008UJ-27 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:32:15 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjiYb-0007Q6-UO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:32:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D878C93B71 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:31:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11194-02 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:31:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (unknown [192.168.1.34]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBFF93B66 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:31:50 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?q?St=C3=A9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] New gameplay element idea Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:31:59 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <200512041411.25350.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051206192036.GA10393@nautilus> <4395E548.4060702@randomvoids.com> In-Reply-To: <4395E548.4060702@randomvoids.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512062032.00224.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:32:17 -0000 On Tuesday 06 December 2005 20:23, Kyle Lutze wrote: > I agree with Andrew, I would prefer to have the game rewritten, if > that's what we're going to do, before we start making more changes. I agree, those idea were not meant to go into 1.0 of course, but that's good people talk and think about new gameplay idea. But in the last, I sent them because I enjoy thinking to new ideas for glob2 ;-) I agree on a "Market Salvage Plan" ;-) Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 06 14:40:38 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejig2-00039b-2a for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:40:38 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejig0-00038n-1a for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:40:36 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejifz-00038C-1V for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:40:35 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejify-000388-V2 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:40:34 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ejigh-0000uF-8K for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:41:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30AFA93B71 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:40:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11194-05 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:40:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (unknown [192.168.1.34]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD50D93B66 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:40:18 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] big issue in .16 ! Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:40:29 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <4395B2B7.8020403@randomvoids.com> <200512061943.37646.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051206191315.GA10638@nautilus> In-Reply-To: <20051206191315.GA10638@nautilus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512062040.29893.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:40:36 -0000 On Tuesday 06 December 2005 20:13, Andrew Sayers wrote: > On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 07:43:37PM +0100, St?phane Magnenat wrote: > > On Tuesday 06 December 2005 16:48, Kyle Lutze wrote: > > > appleboy@dioxide ~ $ glob2 > > > Settings::load("preferences.txt") : error, can't open file. > > > > > > it won't create the preferences.txt file if it doesn't exist! > > > > It will not load it, but on next settings change save it should create > > it. If the behaviours differs it is a bug; could you be more precise > > please? Thanks, > > It seems that the tarball: > http://epfl.ysagoon.com/~glob2/data/glob2-0.8.16.tar.gz > > is missing data/texts.* (but on visual inspection seems to have all the > other files), which is causing other errors: > > Fatal error : while loading "data/texts.list.txt" > glob2: GlobalContainer.cpp:383: void GlobalContainer::load(): Assertion > `false' failed. Grrrr... someone screwed up the make dist by adding icons to it. Indeed EXTRA_DIST was overridden and .txt not present any more. Please, anyone who touch the build system, *be extremly carefull* New .tar.gz and deb uploaded on epfl, please test it and the deb again, thanks. Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 06 18:00:02 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejlmz-0005Pw-VL for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:00:02 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejlmx-0005ND-Gs for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:59:59 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejlmt-0005IM-8N for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:59:58 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejlmt-0005IC-2M for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:59:55 -0500 Received: from [81.185.25.103] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ejlnd-0003Kv-4Z for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:00:41 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5FF37A29; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:57:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 22:57:34 +0100 From: MOA3333 User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: debian-news-french-request@lists.debian.org, Globulation2 development mailing list , general-subscribe@gump.apache.org, alsa-user-request-old@alsa-project.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [glob2-devel] Free software forbiden in France X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 23:00:00 -0000 = Free software forbiden in France = Message from FSF France, for urgent distribution: Because pressure from music and film industry, the french gouvernement wants to forbid free software before christmas. Music industry is ready "to sue free software authors who will continue to release their source code", saying that "if they do not give up, they are going to be forced into changing the licence". For more information, wisit Free Software Foundation France (1) This folows the closure of Grokster (2) software comany in the US. (1) http://www.fsffrance.org/news/article2005-11-25.fr.html (2) http://www.grokster.com/ From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 06 19:13:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejmw9-0003pX-BA for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:13:34 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejmw5-0003ov-Mk for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:13:29 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejmw1-0003nJ-Bg for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:13:28 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejmw0-0003mv-Oh for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:13:24 -0500 Received: from [81.185.25.103] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ejmwh-0001za-I4 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:14:11 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFCE5EB18 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 00:10:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43961A81.2070507@fastmail.fm> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 00:10:57 +0100 From: MOA3333 User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Free software forbiden in France References: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 00:13:30 -0000 /wget will be illegal. It does not matter there are also legal uses,=20 even if they are more used than the illegal ones... Globulation2 also will be illegal, because it acts like a server (you=20 can include mp3 files into maps, or you will be alble to in a future=20 verssion) Also, it will be illegal to only speak about such software, directly or=20 indirectly. This is in order to impose full digital right management to=20 anyone, and control the software, and the music... Listen to free music in france: http://www.musique-libre.org/ /Disparition de la copie priv=E9e, atteintes multiples aux droits des=20 utilisateurs, n=E9gation de fait du r=F4le des biblioth=E8ques=20 , interdiction de fait des=20 logiciels libres, de la musique libre par imposition arbitraire de DRM=20 co=FBteux, inefficaces et dangeureux (cf. DRM-rootkit Sony=20 ,=20 "l'arbre qui cache la for=EAt"=20 ), etc... / assimiler =E0 un d=E9lit de contrefa=E7on l'=E9dition, la diffusion et la= =20 promotion de tout logiciel susceptible d'=EAtre utilis=E9 pour mettre =E0= =20 disposition des informations prot=E9g=E9es par le droit d'auteur et=20 n'int=E9grant pas un dispositif de contr=F4le et de tra=E7age de l'usage = priv=E9=20 (mesure technique)." "Tout logiciel permettant le t=E9l=E9chargement comm= e=20 certains logiciels de discussion instantan=E9e (chat), tout logiciel=20 serveur est concern=E9 (P2P, HTTP, FTP, SSH, ...). / / / From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 06 19:59:16 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjneM-0006sd-Qh for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:59:15 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjneJ-0006p9-Eu for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:59:11 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjneD-0006mg-Mu for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:59:09 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjneD-0006mI-1W for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:59:05 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Ejney-0003Fd-3t for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:59:52 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Ejndv-0007WS-Oz for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:58:47 -0600 Message-ID: <439633C9.2060306@randomvoids.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:58:49 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Free software forbiden in France References: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> <43961A81.2070507@fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: <43961A81.2070507@fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 00:59:12 -0000 MOA3333 wrote: > /wget will be illegal. It does not matter there are also legal uses, > even if they are more used than the illegal ones... > > Globulation2 also will be illegal, because it acts like a server (you > can include mp3 files into maps, or you will be alble to in a future > verssion) > > Also, it will be illegal to only speak about such software, directly or > indirectly. This is in order to impose full digital right management to > anyone, and control the software, and the music... > they can't stop glob2, most of it's hosted in the US From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 07 04:07:59 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjvHI-0007mc-AD for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 04:07:57 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjvHB-0007lz-Vr for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 04:07:50 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjvH4-0007lE-JI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 04:07:46 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjvH3-0007l4-SM for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 04:07:42 -0500 Received: from [129.194.9.228] (helo=romeo.unige.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjvHs-0000S1-97 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 04:08:32 -0500 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.romeo.unige.ch by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) id <0IR400201DD2UJ@romeo.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:39:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from eig.unige.ch (eig.unige.ch [129.194.184.2]) by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) with ESMTP id <0IR4006R7DD49B@romeo.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:39:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from [192.168.4.5] ([129.194.185.167]) by EIG.UNIGE.CH (PMDF V5.2-32 #37940) with ESMTP id <01LWA10247RY9FME6K@EIG.UNIGE.CH> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:47:20 +0200 (MET-DST) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:33:31 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3TDqXBoYW5lIE1hZ25lbmF0?= Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Free software forbiden in France In-reply-to: <439633C9.2060306@randomvoids.com> To: Globulation2 development mailing list Message-id: <43969E5B.8090601@ysagoon.com> X-Envelope-from: nct@ysagoon.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) References: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> <43961A81.2070507@fastmail.fm> <439633C9.2060306@randomvoids.com> X-Comment: This message was scanned against viruses by romeo.unige.ch. X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:07:51 -0000 > they can't stop glob2, most of it's hosted in the US Beware of the great Maginot Firewall ;-) Seriously, this issue is really worrying, thanks Moa3333 for reporting. French people here, please do something. Anyway, have a nice day, Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 07 07:40:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjyUa-0004LU-VW for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:33:53 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjyTC-0003pw-Gr for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:32:26 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EjyQK-00032A-Va for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:29:31 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjyP7-0002dv-NK for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:28:14 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjyPx-0003TG-Jo for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:29:06 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Dec 2005 12:27:46 -0000 Received: from ppp-62-245-163-62.mnet-online.de (EHLO [62.245.163.62]) [62.245.163.62] by mail.gmx.net (mp030) with SMTP; 07 Dec 2005 13:27:46 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <4396D57E.9030405@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:28:46 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Free software forbiden in France References: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> <43961A81.2070507@fastmail.fm> <439633C9.2060306@randomvoids.com> <43969E5B.8090601@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43969E5B.8090601@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:33:51 -0000 > Seriously, this issue is really worrying, thanks Moa3333 for reporting. > French people here, please do something. not only french people can sign the petition at http://eucd.info/petitions/?petition=2 I'm really shocked i did not get any infos about this ongoing issue via ffii which i'm member of. greets, leo From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 07 08:09:06 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejz2f-0006dj-NA for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:09:05 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejz2c-0006dD-E0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:09:02 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejz2Z-0006c7-Jg for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:09:01 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejz2Z-0006bp-0F for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:08:59 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Ejz3P-00005r-DN for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:09:51 -0500 Received: from [62.48.117.24] (helo=[192.168.1.10]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Ejz2D-0008DR-9j for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:08:37 +0100 Message-ID: <4396DEBD.4070602@ysagoon.com> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:08:13 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051102 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Free software forbiden in France References: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> <43961A81.2070507@fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: <43961A81.2070507@fastmail.fm> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:09:04 -0000 So, because winXP allows you to burn CD, and window media player actually allows you o rip CD down to your hard drive, like itunes. They all will be forbidden ? That will be allot of people to sue over. Let's sue internet because it helps downloading copyrighted content. Yes, internet is so bad. (This e-mail has been wrote my me, so I own the copyright on it, so you shall not copy it. Then I can sue nongnu.org because he's copying it into all emails glob2-devel members.) From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 07 08:59:52 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EjzpY-0000Ry-LH for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:59:36 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejzoo-0008WF-Re for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:58:51 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ejzno-00085G-V5 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:58:08 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjzSC-0003mK-EN for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:35:29 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EjzT2-0003cK-Vl for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:36:21 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Dec 2005 13:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [192.168.100.171]) [62.220.137.97] by mail.gmx.net (mp020) with SMTP; 07 Dec 2005 14:35:09 +0100 X-Authenticated: #5147708 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43961A81.2070507@fastmail.fm> References: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> <43961A81.2070507@fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Nyffenegger Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Free software forbiden in France Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:35:06 +0100 To: Globulation2 development mailing list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:59:33 -0000 > > Globulation2 also will be illegal, because it acts like a server > (you can include mp3 files into maps, or you will be alble to in a > future verssion) Well, following: http://eucd.info/index.php?2005/11/14/175-exclusif-amendement- interdisant-%20les-logiciels-non-equipes-de-mesures-techniques Globulation2 will NOT be illegal because transmitting mp3 files thanks to automatic map downloads is NOT at all Globulation2 s primary function nor goal. (And would include quite a bit of Hackerish work) But this still is very frightening because JBoss would in the contrary fall under this category, as would Apache, wget, curl and others... Martin From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 07 09:21:12 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek0AQ-00012i-Dh for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:21:10 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek0AM-00011q-99 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:21:06 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek0AG-00010A-R0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:21:04 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek0AF-0000zy-Rc for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:21:00 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ek0B6-0002xb-F5 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:21:52 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Dec 2005 14:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [192.168.100.171]) [62.220.137.97] by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 07 Dec 2005 15:20:39 +0100 X-Authenticated: #5147708 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43969E5B.8090601@ysagoon.com> References: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> <43961A81.2070507@fastmail.fm> <439633C9.2060306@randomvoids.com> <43969E5B.8090601@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Martin Nyffenegger Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Free software forbiden in France Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:20:37 +0100 To: Globulation2 development mailing list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:21:07 -0000 French people seem to do something: http://eucd.info/petitions/index.php?petition=3D2 In the mean time, we can protect glob2 by specifying in the user =20 licence that every map created with globulation 2 an this up/down-=20 loadable by it is automatically free and can not be under any =20 copyright protection. Martin Le 7 d=E9c. 05 =E0 09:33, St=E9phane Magnenat a =E9crit : >> they can't stop glob2, most of it's hosted in the US > > Beware of the great Maginot Firewall ;-) > > Seriously, this issue is really worrying, thanks Moa3333 for =20 > reporting. French people here, please do something. > > Anyway, have a nice day, > > Steph > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 07 11:43:07 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek2Nm-0000C0-FT for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:43:06 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek2Nj-0000A2-Ea for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:43:03 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek2Nh-00008a-7I for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:43:01 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek2Nf-00007f-Lm for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:43:00 -0500 Received: from [62.62.169.237] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ek2OX-0000mH-JU for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:43:54 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8B172E71 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:40:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43970279.90307@fastmail.fm> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:40:41 +0100 From: MOA3333 User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Free software forbiden in France References: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> <43961A81.2070507@fastmail.fm> <4396DEBD.4070602@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <4396DEBD.4070602@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:43:04 -0000 Nuage wrote: >So, because winXP allows you to burn CD, and window media player actually allows >you o rip CD down to your hard drive, like itunes. They all will be forbidden ? > >That will be allot of people to sue over. Let's sue internet because it helps >downloading copyrighted content. Yes, internet is so bad. > >(This e-mail has been wrote my me, so I own the copyright on it, so you shall >not copy it. Then I can sue nongnu.org because he's copying it into all emails >glob2-devel members.) > > > This is legal insecuity... Actualy, media player will become full-DRM with Windows Vista. The hole idea is to impose DRM to people. DRM was made to restrict wat the legal system did not restrict. This lw wants to impose what is restricting what the legal system do not restrict normaly (and much more, for example you will not be able to record music from radio or to speak about this). All this you are not alowed to speak directly or indirectly about this technologies is much like censorship, so i guess i will not be aowed to send this email once the law passes. However, i don't think they will pass it is this form. However, whethet they pass it or not, this must teach everyone about how music industry actualy see the world (and the world of intelectual propriety). How thay actualy want to controll everyone's acces to information in the name of selling proprietary plastic disks. Also, if you sign the petition "we are not criminals", how thy want to make free authors criminals. Actualy their most enemy in the long term is free music, not P2P systems. Actualy p2p systems help free music more than they help plastic disks, because someone using P2P will more likely buy free music than proprietary music once free music will become the majority... Actualy microsoft is involved here, because they want to sell Windows Vista to people, witch can control what application you run, but french administration is migrating quite masively to linux-based computers. Free software was developped because proprietary softwar was too bad (and still is), i think that free music will develop when proprietary music will become too bad. You haven't seen yet star academy, a tv show creating stars.. and they are best sellers... They are the new Microsoft, realy.. The new stars of music industry are created on mass braodband.. And most artists do not sell, they just loose their freedom of copyright. When most artist will realise this, they will not sign contracts where they loose the copyright for 20 years.. First they have to finish the contract they have, and then you may see them join the free music... From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 07 16:03:04 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek6RM-0007EQ-9a for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:03:04 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek6RJ-0007DK-Ae for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:03:01 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek6RF-0007Bz-HA for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:03:00 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek6RF-0007Bu-CE for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:02:57 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ek6S9-0004gS-Cx for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:03:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D0F93B66 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:02:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29365-01 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:02:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D84793B64 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:02:36 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Free software forbiden in France Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:02:34 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> <43969E5B.8090601@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512072202.34868.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:03:01 -0000 On Wednesday 07 December 2005 15:20, Martin Nyffenegger wrote: > French people seem to do something: > > http://eucd.info/petitions/index.php?petition=2 > > In the mean time, we can protect glob2 by specifying in the user > licence that every map created with globulation 2 an this up/down- > loadable by it is automatically free and can not be under any > copyright protection. Do the ml agrees that glob2 signs as an organisation? If so, which web site do I give (glob2.ysagoon.com or www.globulation2.org)? Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 07 16:26:36 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek6o8-0007KF-8X for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:26:36 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek6o6-0007J2-OZ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:26:35 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek6o4-0007HK-Ej for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:26:33 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek6o4-0007HD-1M for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:26:32 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ek6oy-0001M5-0P for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:27:28 -0500 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051207212613.JKAC8609.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:26:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051207212612.ZHSC18425.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:26:12 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1Ek6ud-4QM-00 for ; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:33:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:33:19 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Free software forbiden in France Message-ID: <20051207213319.GA16946@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> <43969E5B.8090601@ysagoon.com> <200512072202.34868.nct@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200512072202.34868.nct@ysagoon.com> X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:26:35 -0000 On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 10:02:34PM +0100, St?phane Magnenat wrote: > On Wednesday 07 December 2005 15:20, Martin Nyffenegger wrote: > > French people seem to do something: > > > > http://eucd.info/petitions/index.php?petition=2 > > > > In the mean time, we can protect glob2 by specifying in the user > > licence that every map created with globulation 2 an this up/down- > > loadable by it is automatically free and can not be under any > > copyright protection. > > Do the ml agrees that glob2 signs as an organisation? If so, which web site do > I give (glob2.ysagoon.com or www.globulation2.org)? I don't like signing online petitions because they're widely (and correctly, IMHO) viewed as pretty meaningless. Think of all the things you'd sign an online petition about. How many of them would you write a letter complaining about? How many would you go on a protest march about? On the other hand, if someone could find the relevant bit of proposed law, outline how it would make our life harder, and send that to someone that's actually involved in the decision-making process, I'd be very much up for that. - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 07 17:37:34 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek7uo-0006Rc-FB for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:37:34 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek7um-0006P1-Pq for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:37:32 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek7ul-0006Lm-8d for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:37:32 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek7ul-0006LX-4h for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:37:31 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ek7vf-0007Xe-SE for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:38:28 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Dec 2005 22:37:13 -0000 Received: from ppp-62-245-163-62.mnet-online.de (EHLO [62.245.163.62]) [62.245.163.62] by mail.gmx.net (mp024) with SMTP; 07 Dec 2005 23:37:13 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <43976455.7070605@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:38:13 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Free software forbiden in France References: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> <43969E5B.8090601@ysagoon.com> <200512072202.34868.nct@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <200512072202.34868.nct@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:37:33 -0000 www.globulation2.org I know these signatures may not count much as single ones and some say no matter how many sign they don't count. But ok i will not go to Paris neither will i contact members of the french national assembley. But those who do these things will be far more motivated with all these people who at least took the efford to sign a webform. and they can no more be considered as single strange people. So if you decide to do rather real action in this matter please take this minute extratime and support those who chose this way. If you say it's just worth to have a good conscience then please do more. just my 2 cents Stéphane Magnenat wrote: > On Wednesday 07 December 2005 15:20, Martin Nyffenegger wrote: > >>French people seem to do something: >> >>http://eucd.info/petitions/index.php?petition=2 >> >>In the mean time, we can protect glob2 by specifying in the user >>licence that every map created with globulation 2 an this up/down- >>loadable by it is automatically free and can not be under any >>copyright protection. > > > Do the ml agrees that glob2 signs as an organisation? If so, which web site do > I give (glob2.ysagoon.com or www.globulation2.org)? > > Steph > From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 07 18:13:53 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek8Tx-0003lD-3I for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:13:53 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek8Tv-0003ke-AT for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:13:51 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek8Tt-0003kH-8f for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:13:51 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek8Tt-0003kE-4f for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:13:49 -0500 Received: from [82.227.147.206] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ek8Uo-0006wj-4n for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:14:46 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290E14900A2 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:13:30 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <200512042156.46351.nct@ysagoon.com> References: <200512042156.46351.nct@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <9a7a8c06e93b989d7481e4cbf2b9658f@free.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: A little wood elfe Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Glob2 0.8.16 has been release Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:13:28 +0100 To: Globulation2 development mailing list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:13:51 -0000 Le 4 d=E9c. 05, =E0 21:56, St=E9phane Magnenat a =E9crit : > source: > http://epfl.ysagoon.com/~glob2/data/glob2-0.8.16.tar.gz > debian sarge: > http://epfl.ysagoon.com/~glob2/data/glob2_alpha16_i386.deb > > > Ports and VoIP on Win32 and OS X welcome. I have been able to compile and run it on Mac OS X, now I am = working=20 to make an app statically linked for distribution. I ran the ./configure with --enable-static, but when i make I = have=20 this error : Making all in src make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libSDL_image.a', needed=20 by `glob2'. Stop. I check the mpakefile and I found that : SDL_CFLAGS =3D -I/sw/include/SDL -D_THREAD_SAFE SDL_CONFIG =3D /sw/bin/sdl-config SDL_LIBS =3D -L/sw/lib -lSDLmain -lSDL -framework Cocoa -framework = OpenGL=20 -lSDL_image -lSDL_net SDL_image is installed via fink in /sw/lib, so it seems to me = that it=20 should be able to found it, especially when he found it when=20 dynamically linking. Is there a reason why it's working differently and=20= does anyone have an idea of a way to solve this issue ? =09 TIA @+ Benoit= From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 07 18:29:22 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek8iw-0001mf-Gr for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:29:22 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek8iu-0001mQ-KI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:29:20 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek8it-0001ln-Ui for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:29:20 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek8it-0001lk-Ps for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:29:19 -0500 Received: from [82.227.147.206] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ek8jo-0001r3-Po for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:30:17 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D8E49016F for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:29:01 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <9a7a8c06e93b989d7481e4cbf2b9658f@free.fr> References: <200512042156.46351.nct@ysagoon.com> <9a7a8c06e93b989d7481e4cbf2b9658f@free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <48d7a5f6df86770d5d033f49f8bf22e5@free.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: A little wood elfe Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Glob2 0.8.16 has been release Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:29:01 +0100 To: Globulation2 development mailing list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:29:20 -0000 Le 8 d=E9c. 05, =E0 00:13, A little wood elfe a =E9crit : > > Le 4 d=E9c. 05, =E0 21:56, St=E9phane Magnenat a =E9crit : > >> source: >> http://epfl.ysagoon.com/~glob2/data/glob2-0.8.16.tar.gz >> debian sarge: >> http://epfl.ysagoon.com/~glob2/data/glob2_alpha16_i386.deb >> >> >> Ports and VoIP on Win32 and OS X welcome. > > I have been able to compile and run it on Mac OS X, now I am = working=20 > to make an app statically linked for distribution. > > I ran the ./configure with --enable-static, but when i make I = have=20 > this error : > > Making all in src > make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libSDL_image.a', needed=20= > by `glob2'. Stop. > > > I check the mpakefile and I found that : > > SDL_CFLAGS =3D -I/sw/include/SDL -D_THREAD_SAFE > SDL_CONFIG =3D /sw/bin/sdl-config > SDL_LIBS =3D -L/sw/lib -lSDLmain -lSDL -framework Cocoa -framework=20 > OpenGL -lSDL_image -lSDL_net > > > SDL_image is installed via fink in /sw/lib, so it seems to me = that it=20 > should be able to found it, especially when he found it when=20 > dynamically linking. Is there a reason why it's working differently=20 > and does anyone have an idea of a way to solve this issue ? Well rereading me, I can of course copy the lib to /usr/lib but = it=20 happends to other libs too and I can't understand why it isn't=20 searching in /sw/lib. Maybe a bug in the configure/makefile when using=20= --enable-static ? From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 08 06:58:41 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EkJVl-0005Gp-SW for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 06:00:30 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkJR7-0004nZ-UO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 05:55:42 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkIRd-0000UL-9s for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:52:10 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkIQ7-0000HV-DU for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:50:35 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EkIR7-00024M-6j for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:51:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9292D93B74 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:50:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04030-04 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:50:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (unknown [192.168.1.35]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5376A93B63 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:50:14 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Glob2 0.8.16 has been release Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:50:25 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <200512042156.46351.nct@ysagoon.com> <9a7a8c06e93b989d7481e4cbf2b9658f@free.fr> In-Reply-To: <9a7a8c06e93b989d7481e4cbf2b9658f@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512081050.25550.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:00:25 -0000 > I have been able to compile and run it on Mac OS X, now I am working > to make an app statically linked for distribution. > > I ran the ./configure with --enable-static, but when i make I have > this error : > > Making all in src > make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libSDL_image.a', needed > by `glob2'. Stop. > > > I check the mpakefile and I found that : > > SDL_CFLAGS = -I/sw/include/SDL -D_THREAD_SAFE > SDL_CONFIG = /sw/bin/sdl-config > SDL_LIBS = -L/sw/lib -lSDLmain -lSDL -framework Cocoa -framework OpenGL > -lSDL_image -lSDL_net > > > SDL_image is installed via fink in /sw/lib, so it seems to me that it > should be able to found it, especially when he found it when > dynamically linking. Is there a reason why it's working differently and > does anyone have an idea of a way to solve this issue ? Bug found. Have a look at src/Makefile.am and you'll see why -enable-static try to link /usr/lib stuff. So there is definitively a bug there: the -enable-static only works on Linux. So either you add a -enable-static-osx with your own libs, which is not clean but will work, or we try to fix this -enable-static. Who added this -enable-static and why is it this way? A long time ago I had a small .sh script that made the static build, I didn't put it into the configure because it was hacky and system dependant. I've the feeling someone thought it was good and added it to the configure build system. Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 08 16:01:38 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EkStW-0007hl-3i for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:01:38 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkStT-0007gz-TT for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:01:36 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkStS-0007gf-1Y for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:01:35 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkStR-0007gc-SV for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:01:33 -0500 Received: from [82.227.147.206] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EkSuW-0002HT-EY for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:02:41 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1222492468 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:01:12 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <200512081050.25550.nct@ysagoon.com> References: <200512042156.46351.nct@ysagoon.com> <9a7a8c06e93b989d7481e4cbf2b9658f@free.fr> <200512081050.25550.nct@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: A little wood elfe Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Glob2 0.8.16 has been release Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:01:11 +0100 To: Globulation2 development mailing list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:01:36 -0000 Le 8 d=E9c. 05, =E0 10:50, St=E9phane Magnenat a =E9crit : > Bug found. Have a look at src/Makefile.am and you'll see why=20 > -enable-static > try to link /usr/lib stuff. Ok, I see it. > So there is definitively a bug there: the > -enable-static only works on Linux. So either you add a=20 > -enable-static-osx > with your own libs, which is not clean but will work, or we try to fix=20= > this > -enable-static. I would prefer to fix the -enable-static, but I don't know = anything to=20 autoconf... For now I will just change the src/Makefile.am to work with my = paths=20 in order to have a working binary... End, wait just a question the existing -enable-static link to = libz.a=20 but libz isn't under the GPL, so I think that's not allowed. Am I right=20= ? But a shared library of libz is installed on Mac OS X so I wouldn't=20 need to statically link it. Well if only I manage to change all this=20 Makefile thing to statically link against all but not on zlib... =09= From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 08 16:13:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EkT57-0005LQ-2L for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:13:37 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkT55-0005K9-Kn for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:13:35 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkT53-0005IQ-Ra for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:13:35 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkT53-0005IK-PT for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:13:33 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EkT68-000560-No for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:14:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B4393B74 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:13:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10709-03 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:13:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.36] (unknown [192.168.1.36]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14D793B63 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:13:09 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Glob2 0.8.16 has been release Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:13:22 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <200512042156.46351.nct@ysagoon.com> <200512081050.25550.nct@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512082213.22357.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:13:35 -0000 Hi, > I would prefer to fix the -enable-static, but I don't know anything to > autoconf... > > For now I will just change the src/Makefile.am to work with my paths > in order to have a working binary... Ok, please don't commit this. This hack is ugly enough now, I would prefer not having ping/pong between two incompatibles ugly hacks. > End, wait just a question the existing -enable-static link to libz.a > but libz isn't under the GPL, so I think that's not allowed. Am I right > ? But a shared library of libz is installed on Mac OS X so I wouldn't > need to statically link it. Well if only I manage to change all this > Makefile thing to statically link against all but not on zlib... I think that if zlib is GPL compatible, that's ok. I don't know wether it is or not. If I'm correct (90% confidence), it is easy to mix static/dynamic libs: If you don't specify -static to ld, then you have dynamic libc and any lib you do not specify by adding a .a to the object list. If you do specify -static to ld, then it will try to link everything in static, and fail otherwise. Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 08 17:00:41 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EkTof-0006my-HH for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:00:41 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkTod-0006mK-Ms for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:00:39 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkToc-0006lE-10 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:00:39 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkTob-0006lB-Tn for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:00:37 -0500 Received: from [82.227.147.206] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EkTpg-0006TV-VJ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:01:45 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80983492A36 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:00:16 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <200512082213.22357.nct@ysagoon.com> References: <200512042156.46351.nct@ysagoon.com> <200512081050.25550.nct@ysagoon.com> <200512082213.22357.nct@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5766033c14d18686b1c257f63b286018@free.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: A little wood elfe Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Glob2 0.8.16 has been release Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:00:15 +0100 To: Globulation2 development mailing list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:00:39 -0000 > Ok, please don't commit this. This hack is ugly enough now, I would > prefer not > having ping/pong between two incompatibles ugly hacks. Of course I won't commit it. I don't have CVS access. >> End, wait just a question the existing -enable-static link to libz.a >> but libz isn't under the GPL, so I think that's not allowed. Am I >> right >> ? But a shared library of libz is installed on Mac OS X so I wouldn't >> need to statically link it. Well if only I manage to change all this >> Makefile thing to statically link against all but not on zlib... > > I think that if zlib is GPL compatible, that's ok. I don't know wether > it is > or not. After reading the licence it looks compatible. Anyway I link it dynamically by doing more ugly things in my Makefile. So can someone confirm to me that those libs are no longer used in Globulation : libaudio.a libslang.a libgpm.a ? They were in the static linking but not in the dynamic linking as far as I see. Now I have mixed the flags for dynamic and static linking and I get that : g++ -Wall -g -L/sw/lib -L/usr/local/GNUstep/System/Library/Libraries -o glob2 IntBuildingType.o AI.o AINicowar.o AINull.o AINumbi.o AICastor.o AIToubib.o AIWarrush.o Building.o BuildingType.o Bullet.o Engine.o EntityType.o Fatal.o GUIGlob2FileList.o GUIMapPreview.o Game.o GameGUI.o GameGUIDialog.o GameGUILoadSave.o Glob2.o GlobalContainer.o Settings.o Map.o MapGenerator.o MapEdit.o NetGame.o Order.o Player.o SessionConnection.o Race.o Ressource.o Sector.o Session.o SGSL.o SoundMixer.o Team.o TeamStat.o Unit.o UnitType.o Utilities.o ChooseMapScreen.o CustomGameScreen.o MainMenuScreen.o CreditScreen.o CampaignScreen.o MultiplayersOfferScreen.o YOGScreen.o SettingsScreen.o MultiplayersHostScreen.o MultiplayersHost.o MultiplayersJoinScreen.o MultiplayersJoin.o MultiplayersConnectedScreen.o MultiplayersChooseMapScreen.o MultiplayersCrossConnectable.o NewMapScreen.o YOG.o MapGenerationDescriptor.o LogFileManager.o YOGPreScreen.o ScriptEditorScreen.o EndGameScreen.o BuildingsTypes.o GameUtilities.o BitArray.o Brush.o IRC.o VoiceRecorder.o ../libgag/src/libgag.a -lpthread /sw/lib/libSDL_image.a /sw/lib/libSDL_net.a /sw/lib/libpng*.a /sw/lib/libtiff.a /sw/lib/libjpeg.a /sw/lib/libvorbisfile.a /sw/lib/libvorbis.a/sw/lib/libogg.a /usr/local/lib/libspeex.a /sw/lib/libSDL.a /sw/lib/libSDLmain.a /sw/lib/libaa.a /sw/lib/ncurses/libncurses.a /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.a -lz -framework Cocoa -framework OpenGL ld: /sw/lib/libSDL.a(SDL_QuartzVideo.o) illegal reference to symbol: _HideMenuBar defined in indirectly referenced dynamic library /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox ld: /sw/lib/libSDL.a(SDL_coreaudio.o) illegal reference to symbol: _AudioUnitSetProperty defined in indirectly referenced dynamic library /System/Library/Frameworks/AudioUnit.framework/Versions/A/AudioUnit ld: /sw/lib/libSDL.a(SDL_romaudio.o) illegal reference to symbol: _NewSndCallBackUPP defined in indirectly referenced dynamic library /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ CarbonSound.framework/Versions/A/CarbonSound ld: /sw/lib/libSDL.a(SDL_sysjoystick.o) illegal reference to symbol: _IOCreatePlugInInterfaceForService defined in indirectly referenced dynamic library /System/Library/Frameworks/IOKit.framework/Versions/A/IOKit Looks like some incompatibility between the Cocoa framework (needed for OpenGL) and libSDL. But one more time when I was dynamic linking it worked fine. So i don't understand. Any idea ? @+ Benoit From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 08 17:01:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EkTpn-0007DY-6x for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:01:51 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkTpk-0007DG-DI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:01:48 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkTpi-0007Cj-L1 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:01:48 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkTpi-0007Cd-E6 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:01:46 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EkTqn-0006eo-MM for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:02:54 -0500 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051208220123.BBRU21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:01:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051208220123.SCNW18425.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:01:23 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1EkTwJ-56W-00 for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:08:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:08:35 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Glob2 0.8.16 has been release Message-ID: <20051208220835.GA19576@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <200512042156.46351.nct@ysagoon.com> <9a7a8c06e93b989d7481e4cbf2b9658f@free.fr> <200512081050.25550.nct@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:01:48 -0000 After discovering an important bug tonight, we'll probably release 0.8.17 on the weekend - would you be able to be on IRC some time Saturday or Sunday to iron this stuff out? - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 09 03:48:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ekdvg-00022T-71 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:48:36 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ekdva-0001zK-O4 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:48:31 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkdvY-0001yD-In for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:48:29 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkdvY-0001y0-6F for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:48:28 -0500 Received: from [129.194.9.228] (helo=romeo.unige.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ekdwi-0003W9-C8 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:49:40 -0500 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.romeo.unige.ch by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) id <0IR8006013433P@romeo.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:48:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from eig.unige.ch (eig.unige.ch [129.194.184.2]) by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) with ESMTP id <0IR800525343AW@romeo.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:48:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from [192.168.4.5] ([129.194.185.167]) by EIG.UNIGE.CH (PMDF V5.2-32 #37940) with ESMTP id <01LWCTT70K0S9FMKPZ@EIG.UNIGE.CH> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:54:08 +0200 (MET-DST) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:47:19 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Glob2 0.8.16 has been release In-reply-to: <5766033c14d18686b1c257f63b286018@free.fr> To: Globulation2 development mailing list Message-id: <43994497.1040806@ysagoon.com> X-Envelope-from: nct@ysagoon.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) References: <200512042156.46351.nct@ysagoon.com> <200512081050.25550.nct@ysagoon.com> <200512082213.22357.nct@ysagoon.com> <5766033c14d18686b1c257f63b286018@free.fr> X-Comment: This message was scanned against viruses by romeo.unige.ch. X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 08:48:32 -0000 Hi, > So can someone confirm to me that those libs are no longer used in > Globulation : > libaudio.a > libslang.a > libgpm.a ? > They were in the static linking but not in the dynamic linking as > far as I see. I confirm, they were internal SDL deps on Linux. Normally you just need: - libsdl1.2 - libsdl-image1.2 - libsdl-net1.2 - GL (optional) - libfreetype6 - libvorbis - libspeex - libz and their own dependencies of course > Now I have mixed the flags for dynamic and static linking and I get > that : > > g++ -Wall -g -L/sw/lib -L/usr/local/GNUstep/System/Library/Libraries > -o glob2 IntBuildingType.o AI.o AINicowar.o AINull.o AINumbi.o > AICastor.o AIToubib.o AIWarrush.o Building.o BuildingType.o Bullet.o > Engine.o EntityType.o Fatal.o GUIGlob2FileList.o GUIMapPreview.o Game.o > GameGUI.o GameGUIDialog.o GameGUILoadSave.o Glob2.o GlobalContainer.o > Settings.o Map.o MapGenerator.o MapEdit.o NetGame.o Order.o Player.o > SessionConnection.o Race.o Ressource.o Sector.o Session.o SGSL.o > SoundMixer.o Team.o TeamStat.o Unit.o UnitType.o Utilities.o > ChooseMapScreen.o CustomGameScreen.o MainMenuScreen.o CreditScreen.o > CampaignScreen.o MultiplayersOfferScreen.o YOGScreen.o SettingsScreen.o > MultiplayersHostScreen.o MultiplayersHost.o MultiplayersJoinScreen.o > MultiplayersJoin.o MultiplayersConnectedScreen.o > MultiplayersChooseMapScreen.o MultiplayersCrossConnectable.o > NewMapScreen.o YOG.o MapGenerationDescriptor.o LogFileManager.o > YOGPreScreen.o ScriptEditorScreen.o EndGameScreen.o BuildingsTypes.o > GameUtilities.o BitArray.o Brush.o IRC.o VoiceRecorder.o > ../libgag/src/libgag.a -lpthread /sw/lib/libSDL_image.a > /sw/lib/libSDL_net.a /sw/lib/libpng*.a /sw/lib/libtiff.a > /sw/lib/libjpeg.a /sw/lib/libvorbisfile.a > /sw/lib/libvorbis.a/sw/lib/libogg.a /usr/local/lib/libspeex.a > /sw/lib/libSDL.a /sw/lib/libSDLmain.a /sw/lib/libaa.a > /sw/lib/ncurses/libncurses.a /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.a -lz > -framework Cocoa -framework OpenGL > > ld: /sw/lib/libSDL.a(SDL_QuartzVideo.o) illegal reference to symbol: > _HideMenuBar defined in indirectly referenced dynamic library > /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ > HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox > ld: /sw/lib/libSDL.a(SDL_coreaudio.o) illegal reference to symbol: > _AudioUnitSetProperty defined in indirectly referenced dynamic library > /System/Library/Frameworks/AudioUnit.framework/Versions/A/AudioUnit > ld: /sw/lib/libSDL.a(SDL_romaudio.o) illegal reference to symbol: > _NewSndCallBackUPP defined in indirectly referenced dynamic library > /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ > CarbonSound.framework/Versions/A/CarbonSound > ld: /sw/lib/libSDL.a(SDL_sysjoystick.o) illegal reference to symbol: > _IOCreatePlugInInterfaceForService defined in indirectly referenced > dynamic library > /System/Library/Frameworks/IOKit.framework/Versions/A/IOKit > > Looks like some incompatibility between the Cocoa framework (needed > for OpenGL) and libSDL. But one more time when I was dynamic linking it > worked fine. So i don't understand. Any idea ? Hum, try to remove -framework Cocoa. I've the feeling that symbol got defined twice, both statically in libSDL.a and dynamically in framework Coca. Also, are you sure you have the same version of the framework in libSDL.a that you are using now? Those are just idea, please keep in mind that I'm not at all an OS X specialist. Of course, I would also suggest that you google search something like "illegal reference to symbol" OSX. Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 09 03:52:48 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ekdzj-0003Ub-6j for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:52:47 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ekdzf-0003TJ-Oz for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:52:44 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ekdzc-0003Rw-MF for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:52:42 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ekdzc-0003Rf-1x for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:52:40 -0500 Received: from [129.194.9.228] (helo=romeo.unige.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eke0m-0004YF-Cg for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:53:52 -0500 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.romeo.unige.ch by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) id <0IR8008013B5P6@romeo.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:52:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from eig.unige.ch (eig.unige.ch [129.194.184.2]) by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) with ESMTP id <0IR8006A33B53L@romeo.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:52:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from [192.168.4.5] ([129.194.185.167]) by EIG.UNIGE.CH (PMDF V5.2-32 #37940) with ESMTP id <01LWCU2178OK9FMKPZ@EIG.UNIGE.CH> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:00:29 +0200 (MET-DST) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:53:39 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Message-id: <43994613.2080600@ysagoon.com> X-Envelope-from: nct@ysagoon.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Comment: This message was scanned against viruses by romeo.unige.ch. Subject: [glob2-devel] 0.8.17, beta, web site X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 08:52:45 -0000 Hi, As Andrew previously said, Nuage found and fixed a bug that made saved games unstable and lead to crash or desynchronisation with network, because of unitinialized variables for tower reveal area (revealX/Y/W/H in Bullet.h/cpp for interested people). Anyway, this is fixed and we will release a 0.8.17. Now here is my question: - should we call this 0.8.17 (alpha 17) or 0.9.1 (beta 1)? - should we use the new web site? I plan to work a bit on the web site this week-end, because I think than the shorter we have two web sites the better it is. If you want to help with moving content, that would be nice. Kyle, is the SQL problem fixed? This problem displayed an error after a page was edited and saved, but did not affect the saved. Have a nice day, Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 09 10:29:30 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EkkBe-0004Lj-0Y for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:29:30 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkkBa-0004K2-F8 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:29:26 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkkBX-0004J8-3E for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:29:25 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkkBW-0004J3-U7 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:29:22 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EkkCk-0000Xm-5W for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:30:38 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153]) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EkkB6-00067Z-Vl for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:28:57 -0600 Message-ID: <4399A2B3.2010006@randomvoids.com> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:28:51 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] 0.8.17, beta, web site References: <43994613.2080600@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43994613.2080600@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:29:28 -0000 � wrote: [snip] > - should we call this 0.8.17 (alpha 17) or 0.9.1 (beta 1)? > - should we use the new web site? alpha still, let's wait for the rewrite and then go to 1.0 :) and you can use the new website if you want > > I plan to work a bit on the web site this week-end, because I think than > the shorter we have two web sites the better it is. If you want to help > with moving content, that would be nice. Kyle, is the SQL problem fixed? > This problem displayed an error after a page was edited and saved, but > did not affect the saved. the SQL error has not been fixed. to do so I have to upgrade mysql, but I need to clear up a few things on my system before I can do that. the earliest I'll be able to do that is saturday, about 24 hours from now since I'm going to be gone all day today. Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 09 10:45:28 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EkkPu-0001vj-8p for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:44:14 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkkO5-0000rm-1T for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:42:21 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkkLS-00086a-Tc for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:39:39 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkkL1-0007oq-Ip for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:39:11 -0500 Received: from [82.216.130.208] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EkkME-00037v-Bd for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:40:26 -0500 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 9263C1571; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:38:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:38:48 +0100 From: Munteanu Alexandru To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] 0.8.17, beta, web site Message-ID: <20051209153848.GA6217@yahoo.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Munteanu Alexandru , Globulation2 development mailing list References: <43994613.2080600@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43994613.2080600@ysagoon.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:44:10 -0000 --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 09:53:39AM +0100, St=E9phane Magnenat wrote: > - should we call this 0.8.17 (alpha 17) or 0.9.1 (beta 1)? > - should we use the new web site?=09 >=20 > I plan to work a bit on the web site this week-end, because I think than= =20 > the shorter we have two web sites the better it is. If you want to help= =20 > with moving content, that would be nice. Kyle, is the SQL problem fixed?= =20 > This problem displayed an error after a page was edited and saved, but=20 > did not affect the saved. I personally think we should call this release alpha17. As for the web site I suggest to fix the error before using the new web site. I think that the phpbb/mediawiki users integration has nothing to do with this error. Here are some of my conclusions : 20:14 < ion_bidon> AppleBoy: is there any way to upgrade your mysql ? 20:14 < ion_bidon> to make it >=3D 4.1.15 ? 20:14 < ion_bidon> http://tderouin.typepad.com/goodtimes/2005/09/incorrect_key_f.html 20:14 < ion_bidon> read this, they say it's a mysql bug =2E.. 20:15 < ion_bidon> something about conflict between FULLTEXT and UTF-8/Windows charsets =2E.. 21:53 < ion_bidon> AppleBoy: install mysql > 4.1.15 21:53 < ion_bidon> the error we are getting to the wiki appears to be because of a bug in mysql 21:54 < ion_bidon> versions <=3D 4.1.15 21:55 < ion_bidon> and we are not the only one having it, you can search the web for mediawiki incorrect key file for table or just incorrect key file for table Alex --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDmaUIUgToylQKtsURAi1MAKCodE0E44rfqB4L8G7x7rc9KtrfjQCcD6Rb mU2D7DfXOY6lt/+W7GAnv8g= =7JcD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N-- From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 09 15:28:55 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EkorO-0008U3-J4 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:28:54 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkorM-0008Sb-Fp for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:28:52 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkorL-0008Ro-8A for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:28:51 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkorK-0008Rh-T6 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:28:51 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ekosa-0005h5-06 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:30:08 -0500 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051209202826.QZKM21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 20:28:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051209202826.GOQX18425.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 20:28:26 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1Ekoxz-2Z7-00 for ; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:35:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 20:35:43 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] 0.8.17, beta, web site Message-ID: <20051209203543.GA9745@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <43994613.2080600@ysagoon.com> <4399A2B3.2010006@randomvoids.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4399A2B3.2010006@randomvoids.com> X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:28:53 -0000 On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 07:28:51AM -0800, Kyle Lutze wrote: > ??? wrote: > [snip] > >- should we call this 0.8.17 (alpha 17) or 0.9.1 (beta 1)? > >- should we use the new web site? > alpha still, let's wait for the rewrite and then go to 1.0 :) > and you can use the new website if you want I've been working on the basis that the map rewrite was the first part of a 1.1 branch that was under heavy development, whereas alpha16 was being frozen and tested on the way to becoming 1.0. If there are no more major features that we plan to add to the current alpha branch (like fixing markets or towers doing air damage), I think we should call this beta1. Otherwise, I think we should stick to calling it "alpha" until we're ready to really freeze the feature set. - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 09 15:49:01 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EkpAr-0000nI-OF for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:49:01 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkpAp-0000ml-FP for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:48:59 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkpAm-0000lq-Tp for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:48:59 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkpAm-0000ln-Mh for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:48:56 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EkpC2-0002tW-4L for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:50:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C663D93B76 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:48:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23707-05 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:48:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D8793B62 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:48:30 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?q?St=C3=A9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] 0.8.17, beta, web site Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:48:42 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <43994613.2080600@ysagoon.com> <4399A2B3.2010006@randomvoids.com> In-Reply-To: <4399A2B3.2010006@randomvoids.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512092148.43053.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:49:00 -0000 > > - should we call this 0.8.17 (alpha 17) or 0.9.1 (beta 1)? > > - should we use the new web site? > > alpha still, let's wait for the rewrite and then go to 1.0 :) > and you can use the new website if you want Ok for alpha. But the 1.0 will not be based on map-rewrite but on actual HEAD. Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 09 17:17:58 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EkqYw-0005Z8-Fx for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:17:58 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkqYu-0005Ud-AY for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:17:56 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EkqYr-0005Ox-WC for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:17:55 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkqYr-0005OL-Pa for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:17:53 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ekqa8-0007gr-2p for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:19:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EB593B76 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:17:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24489-03 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:17:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EE393B62 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:17:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from 192.168.1.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:17:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <40536.192.168.1.2.1134166646.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:17:26 +0100 (CET) From: nct@ysagoon.com To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [glob2-devel] 0.8.16 annoucne hit happypenguin X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 22:17:56 -0000 No idea who posted it. But as the save game bug is important, we better have to release 0.8.17 (or 0.9.1) fast. Is there anyone who wants a specific new feature for 1.0? Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 09 19:37:36 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Eksk2-0000Q2-LQ for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:37:35 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eksjy-0000OW-Rf for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:37:31 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eksjw-0000N3-8Q for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:37:30 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eksjv-0000MX-Au for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:37:27 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EkslC-0003Kv-IZ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:38:46 -0500 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051210003658.XQXE21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:36:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051210003657.PZJU16192.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:36:57 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1EksqS-3qM-00 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:44:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:44:12 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] 0.8.16 annoucne hit happypenguin Message-ID: <20051210004412.GA14737@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <40536.192.168.1.2.1134166646.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40536.192.168.1.2.1134166646.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:37:31 -0000 If we have to make a judgment sooner rather than later, let's stick with alpha17 for now - we can always change to beta later, but we shouldn't really go back to alpha. - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 10 07:28:19 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1El3pq-0003MW-Bo for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:28:18 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1El3pn-0003MI-3Y for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:28:15 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1El3pj-0003Ls-FI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:28:12 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1El3pj-0003Lo-A4 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:28:11 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1El3r6-0000f1-1v for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:29:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BB893B76 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:27:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02467-04 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:27:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B625B93B65 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:27:44 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] 0.8.16 annoucne hit happypenguin Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:27:42 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <40536.192.168.1.2.1134166646.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> <20051210004412.GA14737@nautilus> In-Reply-To: <20051210004412.GA14737@nautilus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512101327.42991.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:28:15 -0000 On Saturday 10 December 2005 01:44, Andrew Sayers wrote: > If we have to make a judgment sooner rather than later, let's stick with > alpha17 for now - we can always change to beta later, but we shouldn't > really go back to alpha. Ok. I've changed checksums from std::list to std::vector in CVS HEAD which should increase the speed of network games. Please test CVS HEAD so we are sure I haven't introduced any bug (should not, but never knows). Thanks Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 10 08:00:40 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1El4LA-00070G-4a for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:00:40 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1El4L6-0006zQ-Hf for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:00:36 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1El4L3-0006yY-BE for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:00:35 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1El4L1-0006y2-FL for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:00:32 -0500 Received: from [82.227.147.206] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1El4MO-0004li-F2 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:01:56 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CBB493C9C for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:00:05 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20051208220835.GA19576@nautilus> References: <200512042156.46351.nct@ysagoon.com> <9a7a8c06e93b989d7481e4cbf2b9658f@free.fr> <200512081050.25550.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051208220835.GA19576@nautilus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: A little wood elfe Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Glob2 0.8.16 has been release Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:00:04 +0100 To: Globulation2 development mailing list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:00:37 -0000 > After discovering an important bug tonight, we'll probably release > 0.8.17 on the weekend - would you be able to be on IRC some time > Saturday or Sunday to iron this stuff out? Do you have decided when I must be here ? About the directory issue that we solved the other night I just found a minor bug with our current solution, if I have a map folder at the same level than the Globulation2.app folder the game show me files of the two folders. Not a very frequent case but maybe we can do something about that. I gave a look at the input sound issue for voice over IP. I have some example code on my hard disk, the difficulty is that I never had code anything in C++ or in relation with sound. For now can you say to me which files in globulation are involved with this, and perhaps resume me the way it worked. @+ Benoit From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 10 11:27:16 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1El7Z5-0003PI-Mq for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:27:16 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1El7Z2-0003O7-Dd for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:27:12 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1El7Yz-0003MH-2v for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:27:11 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1El7Yw-0003M5-Ti for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:27:08 -0500 Received: from [82.216.130.208] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1El7aL-0008Ix-GY for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:28:33 -0500 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1003) id A42B03EBB0; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:26:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:26:15 +0100 From: Munteanu Alexandru To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] 0.8.17, beta, web site Message-ID: <20051210162615.GA6277@yahoo.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Munteanu Alexandru , Globulation2 development mailing list References: <43994613.2080600@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43994613.2080600@ysagoon.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:27:14 -0000 --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 09:53:39AM +0100, St=E9phane Magnenat wrote: > - should we use the new web site?=09 the error when editing has been solved. Solution :=20 mysql> repair table table_name; *other solution might have beep the upgrade of mysql apparently Alex --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDmwGnUgToylQKtsURApecAJ9b/WxQoXYeTyXyDw7Q6W1RbV4UMgCeJe0E qpOZhE4Py8REM6E5cb/voO0= =36rj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 10 14:47:20 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ElAgi-0007Wp-EP for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:47:20 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElAgg-0007Uq-RY for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:47:18 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElAgf-0007Sk-5J for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:47:18 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElAgf-0007ST-1G for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:47:17 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.48] (helo=mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ElAi5-0001vs-15 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:48:45 -0500 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051210194650.QFTU17804.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:46:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051210194650.QYPT18425.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:46:50 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1ElAnM-1f4-00 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:54:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:54:12 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Glob2 0.8.16 has been release Message-ID: <20051210195412.GA6253@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <200512042156.46351.nct@ysagoon.com> <9a7a8c06e93b989d7481e4cbf2b9658f@free.fr> <200512081050.25550.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051208220835.GA19576@nautilus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:47:19 -0000 On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 02:00:04PM +0100, A little wood elfe wrote: > >After discovering an important bug tonight, we'll probably release > >0.8.17 on the weekend - would you be able to be on IRC some time > >Saturday or Sunday to iron this stuff out? > > Do you have decided when I must be here ? I'd forgotten to chase Stephane up about this, sorry. Stephane, will you be about tomorrow to finalise 0.8.17? > About the directory issue that we solved the other night I just > found a minor bug with our current solution, if I have a map folder at the > same level than the Globulation2.app folder the game show me files of > the two folders. Not a very frequent case but maybe we can do something > about that. I've set it in CVS so that things are checked in the order: 1. $HOME/.glob2/ 2. ./Contents/Resources/ 3. ./ 4. (Linux only) /usr/share/glob2 or /usr/local/share/glob2 5. .. 6. ../.. > I gave a look at the input sound issue for voice over IP. I have > some example code on my hard disk, the difficulty is that I never had code > anything in C++ or in relation with sound. For now can you say to me > which files in globulation are involved with this, and perhaps resume > me the way it worked. That's great - but I'm afraid Stephane I'm not an expert on this either. Stephane, where would we look to hook OS-specific sound handling into the game? - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 10 17:27:59 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ElDCA-0008MI-SW for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:27:59 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElDC9-0008LG-Id for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:27:57 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElDC7-0008Je-U1 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:27:57 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElDC7-0008JO-OK for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:27:55 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ElDDY-0007pP-VY for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:29:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD58393B76 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:27:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07291-01 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:27:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB7C93B65 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:27:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from 192.168.1.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:27:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <33417.192.168.1.2.1134253645.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <20051210195412.GA6253@nautilus> References: <200512042156.46351.nct@ysagoon.com> <9a7a8c06e93b989d7481e4cbf2b9658f@free.fr> <200512081050.25550.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051208220835.GA19576@nautilus> <20051210195412.GA6253@nautilus> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:27:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Glob2 0.8.16 has been release From: nct@ysagoon.com To: "Globulation2 development mailing list" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:27:57 -0000 Hi, > I'd forgotten to chase Stephane up about this, sorry. Stephane, will > you be about tomorrow to finalise 0.8.17? I'll try to be there around 11 Swiss time. > That's great - but I'm afraid Stephane I'm not an expert on this either= . > Stephane, where would we look to hook OS-specific sound handling into > the game? src/VoiceRecorder.cpp Good night Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 11 07:53:07 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ElQhO-0001zS-RW for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:53:07 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElQhK-0001xs-T3 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:53:03 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElQZM-0007sB-8n for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:45:03 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElPVE-0002DQ-NA for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 06:36:29 -0500 Received: from [82.227.147.206] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ElPWl-0006W7-SM for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 06:38:04 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925C2495E33 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:35:58 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <33417.192.168.1.2.1134253645.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> References: <200512042156.46351.nct@ysagoon.com> <9a7a8c06e93b989d7481e4cbf2b9658f@free.fr> <200512081050.25550.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051208220835.GA19576@nautilus> <20051210195412.GA6253@nautilus> <33417.192.168.1.2.1134253645.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <6caad89263fc4aef191d4856f1b35ffb@free.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: A little wood elfe Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:35:56 +0100 To: Globulation2 development mailing list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Subject: [glob2-devel] VoIP with Mac OS X (was re Glob2 0.8.16 has been release) X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:53:03 -0000 Le 10 d=E9c. 05, =E0 23:27, nct@ysagoon.com a =E9crit : > Hi, > >> I'd forgotten to chase Stephane up about this, sorry. Stephane, will >> you be about tomorrow to finalise 0.8.17? > > I'll try to be there around 11 Swiss time. am or pm ? I am afraid that I miss you if it is am. >> That's great - but I'm afraid Stephane I'm not an expert on this=20 >> either. >> Stephane, where would we look to hook OS-specific sound handling into >> the game? > > src/VoiceRecorder.cpp Thanks, i have made some research yesterday. Having the Voice = Over IP=20 working with speex on mac is definetely possible, there is a closed=20 source software who use it : TeamSpeex (http://www.savvy.nl/blog/). Well closed source doesn't help me a lot so I check open source=20= software who have input audio, there is the well know Audacity software=20= (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/). I dig a little into their source=20 and I found in the file AudioIO.cpp that they use the PortAudio library=20= (http://www.portaudio.com) a cross platform, open-source, audio I/O=20 library. The code is quite clean but mixed with a lot of their stuff=20 and looks complexe to me (remember I am not a C++ programmer, usually I=20= code in obj-c for hobby and cobol or java for job). I dig too in Apple documentation of their CoreAudio APIs, not a = very=20 usefull doc as far as I can say, but well I have some example of code=20 which might be used. Another possibility is to use the MTCoreAudio framework (non = usual=20 licence but looks compatible with GPL), well it's an obj-c framework so=20= maybe it's not possible or wanted to incorpore it but it encapsulate=20 one of the CoreAudio API (C++ here mainly) and can be used as a good=20 source of inspiration. That's where I am, another thing to keep in ming is that I don't = have=20 access to Apple last OS version (10.4 say Tiger) only to 10.3 and 10.2.=20= So I can't guarantee anything on Tiger compatibility. Am I the only one Mac user here ? 'Cause if someone else knowing = to=20 code in C++ want to do the job it would far more better. @+ Benoit= From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 11 12:39:24 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ElVAR-0008Lj-Pz for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:39:24 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElVAP-0008KO-3Y for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:39:21 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElVAN-0008JB-2S for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:39:20 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElVAM-0008Ih-9F for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:39:18 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ElVBw-00053E-46 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:40:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5131493B78 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:38:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26195-02 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:38:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007F393B68 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:38:46 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:38:43 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512111838.44143.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Subject: [glob2-devel] 0.8.17 released, savannah server name changed X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:39:22 -0000 Hi, Glob2 version 0.8.17 (alpha17) has been released. Sources awailable here: http://epfl.ysagoon.com/~glob2/data/glob2-0.8.17.tar.gz Packages for debian sarge and win32 here: http://epfl.ysagoon.com/~glob2/data/glob2_alpha17_i386.deb http://epfl.ysagoon.com/~glob2/data/glob2win32-alpha17.zip Savannah's CVS server changed name from subversions.gnu.org to cvs.sv.gnu.org and sources repository from cvsroot to sources. The following script, launched from glob2 checkout top dir, will fix savannah's location: find . -name "Root" -exec sed -i.sed 's/subversions.gnu.org: \/cvsroot/cvs.sv.gnu.org:\/sources/g' {} \; We are now working on merging old site to new one at www.globulation2.org. Have a nice day and week, Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 12 12:13:05 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ElrDx-0001AR-3P for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:12:29 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElrDo-00018I-EW for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:12:21 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElrDl-00016X-Qb for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:12:18 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElrDl-00016G-AN for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:12:17 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ElrFV-0007Kp-IQ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:14:06 -0500 Received: from [195.190.170.133] (helo=[192.168.1.10]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1ElrD9-0007fm-Fe for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:11:39 +0100 Message-ID: <439DAF1C.5010003@ysagoon.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:10:52 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051102 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] 0.8.17 released, savannah server name changed References: <200512111838.44143.nct@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <200512111838.44143.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:12:25 -0000 Stéphane Magnenat wrote: > Hi, > > Glob2 version 0.8.17 (alpha17) has been released. Sources awailable here: > http://epfl.ysagoon.com/~glob2/data/glob2-0.8.17.tar.gz > Packages for debian sarge and win32 here: > http://epfl.ysagoon.com/~glob2/data/glob2_alpha17_i386.deb > http://epfl.ysagoon.com/~glob2/data/glob2win32-alpha17.zip > > Savannah's CVS server changed name from subversions.gnu.org to cvs.sv.gnu.org > and sources repository from cvsroot to sources. > > The following script, launched from glob2 checkout top dir, will fix > savannah's location: > find . -name "Root" -exec sed -i.sed 's/subversions.gnu.org: > \/cvsroot/cvs.sv.gnu.org:\/sources/g' {} \; > > We are now working on merging old site to new one at www.globulation2.org. > > Have a nice day and week, > > Steph > Hello, I don't know how does "sed" works, but I guess there is a typo somewhere: ~/glob2 $ find . -name "Root" -exec sed -i.sed 's/subversions.gnu.org: > \/cvsroot/cvs.sv.gnu.org:\/sources/g' {} \; sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 12 15:05:10 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Eltv4-0007fk-15 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:05:10 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eltv0-0007ct-4R for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:05:06 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eltuu-0007ZV-3n for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:05:02 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eltut-0007Z8-Bz for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:04:59 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eltwf-00072q-8F for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:06:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D9393B84 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:04:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09831-03 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:04:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4737693B81 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:04:23 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] 0.8.17 released, savannah server name changed Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:04:23 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <200512111838.44143.nct@ysagoon.com> <439DAF1C.5010003@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <439DAF1C.5010003@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512122104.24002.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:05:07 -0000 Hi, > Hello, I don't know how does "sed" works, but I guess there is a typo > somewhere: > > ~/glob2 $ find . -name "Root" -exec sed -i.sed 's/subversions.gnu.org: > > \/cvsroot/cvs.sv.gnu.org:\/sources/g' {} \; > > sed: -e expression #1, char 22: unterminated `s' command perhaps there is a bug in this command line although I can't find it. Are you sure you correctly joined the two lines without any space between ? There critical part is this string: 's/subversions.gnu.org:\/cvsroot/cvs.sv.gnu.org:\/sources/g' Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 12 16:33:07 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ElvIB-0005GM-6T for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:33:07 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElvI8-0005Ea-Or for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:33:04 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElvI6-0005DJ-HJ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:33:04 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElvI4-0005D8-1P for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:33:02 -0500 Received: from [62.66.186.164] (helo=server.lue.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ElvJq-0006dj-K7 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:34:50 -0500 Received: from [192.168.42.116] (node116.lue.dk [192.168.42.116]) by server.lue.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3714B5E514 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:32:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <439DEC68.1010801@lue.dk> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:32:24 +0100 From: Bo Lorentsen User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] 0.8.17 released, savannah server name changed References: <200512111838.44143.nct@ysagoon.com> <439DAF1C.5010003@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <439DAF1C.5010003@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:33:05 -0000 Nuage wrote: >Hello, I don't know how does "sed" works, but I guess there is a typo somewhere: > >~/glob2 $ find . -name "Root" -exec sed -i.sed 's/subversions.gnu.org:\/cvsroot/cvs.sv.gnu.org:\/sources/g' {} \; > > Just watch out for the newline, as this has to be one single line :-) /BL From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 12 16:37:38 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ElvMY-00081r-8B for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:37:38 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElvMV-0007wF-Gj for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:37:35 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElvMO-0007pt-TR for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:37:30 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElvMO-0007pp-R8 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:37:28 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ElvOB-0007iK-DT for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:39:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84F193B84 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:36:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10531-04 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:36:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8510893B81 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:36:53 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:36:54 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Subject: [glob2-devel] www.globulation2.org look updated X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:37:37 -0000 I've changed the look of the glob2 style (default one). There is still some minor work to do, but I'm quite happy with the result so far. What do you think? Have a nice evening, Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 12 18:08:45 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Elwmi-0002nP-PP for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:08:45 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Elwmg-0002mR-LY for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:08:43 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Elwmc-0002jr-A6 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:08:41 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Elwmb-0002jX-OI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:08:37 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ElwoP-0005Wb-0p for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:10:29 -0500 Received: from [195.190.170.133] (helo=[192.168.1.10]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Elwm0-0004V2-A8 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:08:00 +0100 Message-ID: <439E02A2.3050704@ysagoon.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:07:14 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051102 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] 0.8.17 released, savannah server name changed References: <200512111838.44143.nct@ysagoon.com> <439DAF1C.5010003@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <439DAF1C.5010003@ysagoon.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:08:43 -0000 Right there was an extra line return added by an e-mail client. Now if I use: ~/glob2 $ find . -name "Root" -exec sed -i.sed 's/subversions.gnu.org:\/cvsroot/cvs.sv.gnu.org:\/sources/g' {} \; ~/glob2 $ cvs up CVS moved to cvs.savannah.[non]gnu.org Check http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=4168 for details. Anonymous access over SSH is replaced by the (more efficient) pserver. cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) ~/glob2 $ cat CVS/Root nuage@savannah.nongnu.org:/cvsroot/glob2 I think it should be this: nuage@cvs.savannah.nongnu.org:/cvsroot/glob2 or cvs.savannah.nongnu.org:/cvsroot/glob2 If case you have the same problem, this line found on http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=4168 will work: find -path '.*/CVS/Root' -print0 | xargs -0 perl -i -p -e 's/\@s/\@cvs.s/' From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 12 21:05:13 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ElzXV-0005sD-F7 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:05:13 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElzXT-0005o9-LX for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:05:11 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElzXQ-0005jo-AJ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:05:10 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElzXP-0005jS-Ju for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:05:07 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ElzZE-0000Ok-0n for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:07:00 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Dec 2005 02:04:31 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-67-80.mnet-online.de (EHLO [82.135.67.80]) [82.135.67.80] by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 13 Dec 2005 03:04:31 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <439E2C99.7080906@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:06:17 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] www.globulation2.org look updated References: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:05:12 -0000 i like the school-image. although it is too small. and the last change i noticed was this all blue bg. that's not good as some links have it directly as bg so they are hard to read. btw: changeing the default appearance is a good idea. my little brother (moses for those who played against him already) wondered why the change-log i sent him is on wikipedia ;) greetz, leo Stéphane Magnenat wrote: > I've changed the look of the glob2 style (default one). There is still some > minor work to do, but I'm quite happy with the result so far. > > What do you think? > > Have a nice evening, > > Steph > From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 13 05:53:52 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Em7n5-0006ZL-7o for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:53:51 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Em7n1-0006Z9-Ok for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:53:48 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Em7my-0006Yk-SQ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:53:46 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Em7mx-0006Yc-I0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:53:43 -0500 Received: from [195.176.254.12] (helo=relay01.hgkz.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Em7oq-0003ZF-1o for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:55:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by relay01.hgkz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E54156CC9 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:53:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from relay01.hgkz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (relay01.hgkz.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20960-04 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:53:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from venus.hgkz.ch (venus.hgkz.ch [195.176.254.27]) by relay01.hgkz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01F9156CBC for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:53:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.31.7.232] (unknown [172.31.7.232]) by venus.hgkz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610723DE1C2 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:53:01 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> References: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Gabriel Walt Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] www.globulation2.org look updated Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:52:59 +0100 To: Globulation2 development mailing list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at relay01.hgkz.ch X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:53:48 -0000 > I've changed the look of the glob2 style (default one). There is > still some > minor work to do, but I'm quite happy with the result so far. > > What do you think? I like it! :) From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 13 15:27:54 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EmGkc-00044j-Ba for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:27:54 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmGkZ-0003xy-MK for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:27:51 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmGkW-0003vf-48 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:27:51 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmGkV-0003vR-UU for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:27:48 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EmGmS-00012F-45 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:29:48 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153]) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EmGjp-0000ke-Fx for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:27:05 -0600 Message-ID: <439F2E9A.5080701@randomvoids.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:27:06 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060707050603070500000107" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] [Fwd: Re: Your neural project] X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:27:52 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060707050603070500000107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit interesting? --------------060707050603070500000107 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Re: Your neural project" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re: Your neural project" X-Account-Key: account2 Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmgxi01.cox.net ([66.35.250.206]) by fed1rmmtai01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051213001426.OWTM14948.fed1rmmtai01.cox.net@fed1rmgxi01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:14:26 -0500 Received: from mail.sourceforge.net ([66.35.250.206]) by fed1rmgxi01.cox.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with ESMTP id <20051213001357.YVDH11849.fed1rmgxi01.cox.net@mail.sourceforge.net> for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:13:57 -0500 Received: from smtp02.unet.nl ([82.148.223.70]) by mail.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1Elxp3-0001pw-TU for appleboy@users.sourceforge.net; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:15:14 -0800 Received: from pang.alm.flutnet.org (82-148-197-136.adsl.unet.nl [82.148.197.136]) by smtp02.unet.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1BF16C21A for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:15:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from ed.unet.nl (ed.alm.flutnet.org [172.19.0.34]) by pang.alm.flutnet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405E113C for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:15:06 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20051213011349.031c5110@pop.unet.nl> X-Sender: ameulen@pop.unet.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:15:05 +0100 To: Kyle Lutze From: Ed van der Meulen Subject: Re: Your neural project Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Score: 2.3 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Report problems to http://sf.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1&atid=200001 1.0 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received: contains a forged HELO 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 HTML_00_10 BODY: Message is 0% to 10% HTML 1.2 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME parts At 16-10-2003 21:38 -0700, you wrote:

I find your project quite fascinating and would like to help
out in any way I could, but am not quite sure how I could.\
I've got the brains (started AP Calc), learned a bit of C++
and c, am in the process of learning Java, good at coding
webpages, and have a lot of experience with debugging and
have become very good at it even if I'm not too familiar
with the language. If there is anywhere where you think I
can help in the project please let me know as I would like
to be apart of this project that is fascinating and will

uncover new grounds in the world of AI!

Yes. And i gave you information and then? Are you still breathing

have a nice life,

ed




~Kyle


Hi Kyle,

How are you?

You didn't have to wait too long for a reply, did you? We
have maybe a time lag with your time zone -700, and sometimes I sleep.

This is a very strange project, but certainly, you are very
welcome. Let me start with this, all is new in this project. We don't
look at other neural nets. Knowledge of AI is here obsolete. I'm sorry
I have to tell you that. We do everything in another way. We think
bottom-up. Not top-down or better factual. We code in the same way
and not meeting mathematics, getting very fast neural nets and
coming further.

When you reply this email I like to ask you a few things.

The computer language is not so important we're using just C and that
for no one a problem.


I am Ed van der Meulen, short: Ed

I am a mathematician, but we don't use mathematics in this project,
it's just not possible, I've proved that.

I will tell you something more, and even about me.

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First we make neural nets in a very different way. We have thought about
the computer language, the way we analyze and develop ands all goes now
in another way.

For the real demos and other product we work with C, not with Java, or
another possibility. Some have tried it, but they didn't succeed. However
we do try outs in all language, Perl, Ruby, PHP.

We have the time, so we don't need those other language. Developing is for us
combining the realty of the brain with the realty of the computer. So we
prefer the low language C that stands close to the computer.

Then we can work for nano technology and embedded systems as well. Java
needs the Java machine, we see that as a bad way. But surely Java is simple.
But I wouldn't do that.

We are so successful because these kind of thoughts. We don't use OO, we have
a better way we like much more.

All is just different and active members like that. And in this way we have
already reached a lot. The secrete is we do all with friendly emailing,
not using theories, no instead we trust our brain. Much nicer to do.

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NNW is an open source project, with a lot of new thinking. We think
nicer, we develop nicer. We get better products. We get them also faster.

This is also a typical learning project for everybody, because so much is new.
The main thing is you have the brains for it. Thinking is a must.

Language is major side of this project. We have a language mailing list.
Many members like it, Developing combined with writing and correcting is
usual here. So it's a language project as well. I hope you will like that.

We're now working on the third demo, which we call Squid. The second demo
is stable and you can normally download it from sourceforge. Most open source
members use Linux or a BSD operation system, because the stability and far less
viruses. The demos don't work on MS windows.

We invest in the members. We invest in each other. And that is needed because
so much is new here.

I could now send you a long intro email. But I know many people have already
drowned in all those new things.

And therefore I give you now the url of an intro-course of the project.

This is important
We work in a way of building a tower. We have things that are given,
we try somewhat and then we make the ground floor. An early result but
users can play with it already and we get response and we get more ideas.
That's good. So we converse friendly on and using all our knowledge and our
thinking power we make a next floor. And so we are going on.

This is a special project. We use our brains for building in this way. For thinking
and analyzing, we use our brains. I am a mathematician but we don't use mathematics.
We work physically, we are interested in the results. And that makes a difference.
So yes, we need brains.

Essential is we are friendly emailing each other and so we stimulate each other. And
that's all. So we do all with friendly emailing each other about all things we like.
In this way we learn and do everything.

The current available modules are a nice source of examples of coding in C. But don't
look in them. That's really unhealthy. You wouldn't see the wood for the trees. And this
is very true.

By friendly conversing we make the demos always coming further than we planned before.
In this way we are building also the intro-course. The tower of the intro-course is neither
ready. The course has now an entrance page that I personally like. But members who like
to read books, want a more literary entrance. And some members who mainly want to code
want examples how we do that.

I will tell you some more.

We have chronicles each month. And I write the easy algorithms in those chronicles. I will
attach the latest chronicle with the a new algorithm. It's Chronicle 33. There are more useful old chronicles as well. Members can get them.

Out of those chronicle we will start with a FAQ list, also needed. There's enough to do here.

In the new modules you see those easy algorithms divided in algorithm steps. Play that please on paper, an input stream of numbers can fit in the cells or a new cell is taken into use. Just like our brain does. When you understand the algorithm steps you will soon understand de statements.

So starting with the easy algorithms, playing them on paper, then the algorithm steps, again playing it and then de code. So always the best way to understand these things is playing it on paper with an easy example.

When you look directly at the statements you will also drown easily. Due to the type of
coding we make we don't see the wood for the trees.

http://nnw.sourceforge.net/docs.php/intro

In the intro you can read that subscribing is necessary to get enough info. You can
only do it yourself.

1. The chronicle mailing lists and
2. the normal members mailing list.

Don't forget this.

The project has a huge spin off and about those findings I have now a world wide debate,
the postings for that debate you can reach via the intro-course. So their really enough
to do here.

The typical coding examples are still missing in the course. We code in C. There's a lot
to do in this open source project. I hope you will like the friendly emailing we do here.
This project runs on enthusiasm. It's not very important but knowledge is always nice.
However it's a typical learn project as well.

You can always ask all you want. There is already much info to read as well about this project.

But how do learn to swim? How did you learn to walk? By reading about it? Better is to feel the water and learning to swim in that water, and walking of course exercising in the reality. So you can read so much about this project. The real way to learn what this project means is to be active. And for that you haven't to have so much knowledge. No, but you need then your brains.

Members become really enthusiast, when they are active. The reason is simple, swimming
you learn in water not only looking at it. We start all in the same way, using all our
knowledge, but in another way than we are used to. We trust our brains, that's the
difference. Members are active in their free time so it must be better here than in
normal projects.

Ask always much. I will ask you much.

It's true you need to have some time for this project, and it's good to know the spin off
is enormous with very good thinks like protecting democracies, uniting scientists and a lot
more, so it's good also to show some commitment later. What do you think?

If you like languages, well you could call this project also a language project. Much goes
about languages here we have a special emailing list for it as well. The computer language is just C and the natural language is American English and you can see that I use now and then the Latin word order. Oh those Englishman why did you ever do that.

It's Saturday, time zone +200, The Netherlands.

It's here 11 degrees Celsius. The sky's covered with thin white clouds,
85 % humidity, 1027 mBar high pressure, wind 3 Beaufort West. Less road
accidents.

This is the Netherlands, 20 million inhabitant and the world power in the 17 century,
the seas, how'd that be possible.

Please Kyle, email me if you don't want to become a member, and else please
reply this email. And if you want to become a member, please feel yourself very
welcome,

Ed --------------060707050603070500000107-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 13 15:59:04 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EmHEl-0004OJ-TO for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:59:04 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmHEk-0004NU-1g for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:59:02 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmHEh-0004MI-UZ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:59:01 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmHEh-0004MA-Jt for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:58:59 -0500 Received: from [82.216.130.208] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EmHGe-0000ZJ-LG for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:01:00 -0500 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1003) id BC735AFB03; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:56:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:56:43 +0100 From: Munteanu Alexandru To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] www.globulation2.org look updated Message-ID: <20051213205643.GA6211@yahoo.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Munteanu Alexandru , Globulation2 development mailing list References: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:59:02 -0000 --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 10:36:54PM +0100, St=E9phane Magnenat wrote: > I've changed the look of the glob2 style (default one). There is still so= me=20 > minor work to do, but I'm quite happy with the result so far. >=20 > What do you think? Very nice -- Munteanu Alexandru --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDnzWLUgToylQKtsURAg3LAKClX5QqQNK3j8PFwm44nDI7AkOhRQCfXphj vzuQIJhHAuwQUcEzs5ciNw4= =oA3z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 13 16:36:13 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EmHoi-0006Zo-R1 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:36:12 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmHog-0006X5-MB for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:36:10 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmHoe-0006Vl-Td for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:36:10 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmHoe-0006Vh-QC for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:36:08 -0500 Received: from [64.233.162.197] (helo=zproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EmHqb-0001l2-QK for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:38:10 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r28so1781531nza for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:33:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OFJyfI+oKxET/MZnHgVPmMwgwCvvc8Fh3I4J6l0Gmpy2DynPWKhn2kucDFNNwU+SldQaaQYk8gO9gwHNUaGXArkBp4qvhbwMrG+mdqip+3BsnhL38epqtRTxx0wIF6IoUxxV5YCRh4Q2j4QdYhLKsCWAVPS5WQarW1I9aImlx7c= Received: by 10.36.221.45 with SMTP id t45mr7661583nzg; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.113.17 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:33:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:33:56 +0100 From: Martin Voelkle To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] [Fwd: Re: Your neural project] In-Reply-To: <439F2E9A.5080701@randomvoids.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <439F2E9A.5080701@randomvoids.com> X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:36:11 -0000 > interesting? Definitely. I didn't knew Van Damme was doing open source. Martin From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 13 16:55:17 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EmI7B-00008A-6j for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:55:17 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmI78-00006b-Rf for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:55:14 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmI70-0008Rr-Qc for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:55:14 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmI6x-0008R7-Dq for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:55:06 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EmI8u-0006s1-Vq for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:57:05 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153]) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EmI6J-000808-L7 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:54:23 -0600 Message-ID: <439F4310.7090204@randomvoids.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:54:24 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] [Fwd: Re: Your neural project] References: <439F2E9A.5080701@randomvoids.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:55:15 -0000 Martin Voelkle wrote: >>interesting? > > > Definitely. I didn't knew Van Damme was doing open source. > > Martin > I'm wonder if there is any way we can use that to help with some of our AI From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 13 21:01:26 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EmLxN-0000Zb-Oj for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:01:25 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmLxM-0000ZM-8Z for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:01:24 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmLxK-0000Z6-Gz for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:01:23 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmLxK-0000Z3-DW for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:01:22 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.48] (helo=mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EmLzJ-0008Qt-Or for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:03:26 -0500 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051214020042.BTKG17804.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:00:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051214020042.TMDT1233.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:00:42 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1EmM47-5Tp-00 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:08:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:08:22 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] www.globulation2.org look updated Message-ID: <20051214020822.GA20881@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051213205643.GA6211@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051213205643.GA6211@yahoo.fr> X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:01:24 -0000 I like the basic Wiki layout, but I've been playing round with some ideas today. I think I'll call it a day now, but you can see what I was doing here: http://www.globulation2.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=glob2test I got the green background by putting together all the grass tiles in the game. I think it works better than the water, and it seems to have been moved over to the main site (I hope it wasn't me that did that...) The sand in the left-hand menus was created the same way. Looking at it now, I don't like it - better to have text areas be white or grey. However, I do like the rounded borders, and I could move that over to the main section fairly easily. Kyle has also moved the "Powered by MediaWiki" logo from the bottom bar up to just below the toolbox. I have no opinion about that. I can easily change the green back to blue on the main site, and/or change the rounded borders there. Also, even if the sand/grass don't work on the web, I'd quite like to lighten the tiles in the game like I did with the sand/grass images here. Does anyone have any thoughts about that? - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 13 21:11:12 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EmM6q-0004cv-N8 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:11:12 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmM6p-0004cM-8U for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:11:11 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmM6o-0004c4-KI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:11:10 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmM6o-0004c1-Hn for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:11:10 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.48] (helo=mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EmM8n-0001n3-V9 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:13:14 -0500 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051214021033.BVQE17804.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:10:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051214021033.TNGH1233.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:10:33 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1EmMDe-5aT-00 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:18:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:18:13 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] [Fwd: Re: Your neural project] Message-ID: <20051214021813.GA21394@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <439F2E9A.5080701@randomvoids.com> <439F4310.7090204@randomvoids.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <439F4310.7090204@randomvoids.com> X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:11:11 -0000 How did you get in contact with these guys? Did they contact you or you contact them? In terms of us working together, Stephane does AI for a living (I think), and although I have a lot of thoughts about AI, it's something I've put on the shelf for long in the future. I certainly wouldn't object to people using Glob2 as a base for experimenting with NNs, but I wouldn't personally be interested in this. - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 14 03:45:00 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EmSFv-0005Zc-1b for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:44:59 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmSFp-0005Xq-Uw for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:44:54 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmSD0-00048d-PU for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:41:59 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmSCt-00045o-Hp for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:41:52 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EmSEv-0005fC-H9 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:43:57 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Dec 2005 08:41:06 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-5-97.mnet-online.de (EHLO [82.135.5.97]) [82.135.5.97] by mail.gmx.net (mp034) with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 09:41:06 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <439FDB17.5050005@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:43:03 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] www.globulation2.org look updated References: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051213205643.GA6211@yahoo.fr> <20051214020822.GA20881@nautilus> In-Reply-To: <20051214020822.GA20881@nautilus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:44:56 -0000 i like the round edges and the gras. but please make the sand lighter. the text can not be read like that. i tried myself to get that far but somehow my skin does only work when i am loged in. u can try it with http://globulation2.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=testgiszmo also the school is too small. i'd just scale it up by 20-30%. i'll see what i can do later Andrew Sayers wrote: > I like the basic Wiki layout, but I've been playing round with some > ideas today. I think I'll call it a day now, but you can see what I was > doing here: > > http://www.globulation2.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=glob2test > > I got the green background by putting together all the grass tiles in > the game. I think it works better than the water, and it seems to have > been moved over to the main site (I hope it wasn't me that did that...) > > The sand in the left-hand menus was created the same way. Looking at it > now, I don't like it - better to have text areas be white or grey. > However, I do like the rounded borders, and I could move that over to > the main section fairly easily. > > Kyle has also moved the "Powered by MediaWiki" logo from the bottom bar > up to just below the toolbox. I have no opinion about that. > > I can easily change the green back to blue on the main site, and/or > change the rounded borders there. > > Also, even if the sand/grass don't work on the web, I'd quite like to > lighten the tiles in the game like I did with the sand/grass images > here. Does anyone have any thoughts about that? > > > - Andrew > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > -- Dipl.-Math. Univ. Leo Wandersleb Kolumbusstr.2 81543 München Tel.: 0179-7748888 From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 14 08:24:24 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EmWcE-000354-Rz for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:24:23 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmWcC-00034K-Uc for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:24:17 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmWZW-0001WB-4P for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:21:31 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmWMA-0005Uu-0C for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:07:42 -0500 Received: from [195.176.254.13] (helo=relay02.hgkz.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EmWOE-0001zO-CK for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:09:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by relay02.hgkz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E47BDF4B5 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:07:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from relay02.hgkz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (relay02.hgkz.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16332-04 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:06:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from venus.hgkz.ch (venus.hgkz.ch [195.176.254.27]) by relay02.hgkz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F52DF4B6 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:06:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.31.7.232] (unknown [172.31.7.232]) by venus.hgkz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7353DE1C8 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:06:55 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20051214020822.GA20881@nautilus> References: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051213205643.GA6211@yahoo.fr> <20051214020822.GA20881@nautilus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0077ED07-31B0-483A-A42F-6478E4785C0D@ysagoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Gabriel Walt Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] www.globulation2.org look updated Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:06:54 +0100 To: Globulation2 development mailing list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at relay02.hgkz.ch X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:24:17 -0000 > The sand in the left-hand menus was created the same way. Looking > at it > now, I don't like it - better to have text areas be white or grey. > However, I do like the rounded borders, and I could move that over to > the main section fairly easily. I like much the rounded corners but i just think that the radius of the edge should be a bit smaller. The contrast blue - yellow/beige isn't beautiful and makes the menu really hard to read. Also i don't like that some parts of the menu are smaller and thus impossible to read on my computer without readjusting the font size and it makes the menu boxes not aligned any more. > Kyle has also moved the "Powered by MediaWiki" logo from the bottom > bar > up to just below the toolbox. I have no opinion about that. TBH, I prefer without. I like it really much more as it was before, discrete in the right corner of the bottom bar, it has nothing to do in the menu! > I can easily change the green back to blue on the main site, and/or > change the rounded borders there. I prefer the green to the blue. It's much more glob2 specific since i spend 98% of the game watching the grass, not the water, lol! I also prefer that green to the blue-violet bluish water. > Also, even if the sand/grass don't work on the web, I'd quite like to > lighten the tiles in the game like I did with the sand/grass images > here. Does anyone have any thoughts about that? The color of the grass was much lighter in older versions of glob2, but it was a very aggressive green. The problem with green is that it's not easy to find a nice green that looks good on the screen. The current one is quite pleasant to look at, but if you think you can do better, you can always try... It's not possible to judge the color before we actually see it ;) For the sand i think you can easily do better! :) Cheers! Gabriel From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 14 09:43:38 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EmXqJ-0001aO-1o for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:42:55 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmXpx-0001LA-CL for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:42:33 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmXbV-0005bG-0Q for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:27:40 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmXOq-0003OX-1f for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:14:33 -0500 Received: from [129.175.33.42] (helo=smtp2.u-psud.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EmXQu-0003H1-RB for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:16:41 -0500 Received: from smtp2.u-psud.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (MTA) with SMTP id 47E643828CE for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:11:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from post1.mail.u-psud.fr (post1.mail.u-psud.fr [129.175.34.87]) by smtp2.u-psud.fr (MTA) with ESMTP id 2B4393828CD for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:11:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from s3.ie2.u-psud.fr (s3.ie2.u-psud.fr [193.55.28.24]) by post1.mail.u-psud.fr (8.12.10/8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id jBEEBo45028192 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:11:50 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by s3.ie2.u-psud.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27C7B8B99 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:11:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from s3.ie2.u-psud.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (s3.ie2.u-psud.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17618-03 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:11:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from da08.ie2.u-psud.fr (da08.ie2.u-psud.fr [193.55.28.206]) by s3.ie2.u-psud.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AE6B8B79 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:11:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from da08.ie2.u-psud.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by da08.ie2.u-psud.fr (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBEEBnrx010911 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:11:49 +0100 Received: (from amuntean@localhost) by da08.ie2.u-psud.fr (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id jBEEBnKw010910 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:11:49 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:11:48 +0100 From: Munteanu Alexandru To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] www.globulation2.org look updated Message-ID: <20051214141148.GA10873@da08.ie2.u-psud.fr> References: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051213205643.GA6211@yahoo.fr> <20051214020822.GA20881@nautilus> <439FDB17.5050005@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <439FDB17.5050005@gmx.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ie2.u-psud.fr X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:42:52 -0000 On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:43:03AM +0100, Leo Wandersleb wrote: > i like the round edges and the gras. but please make the > sand lighter. the text can not be read like that. > i tried myself to get that far but somehow my skin does only > work when i am loged in. u can try it with > http://globulation2.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=testgiszmo This is much better. Alex From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 14 12:34:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EmaVw-0003JG-RA for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:34:05 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmaUX-0002Xg-Et for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:32:37 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmaSC-0000wP-O2 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:30:14 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmaO5-0007M2-JO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:25:57 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EmaQB-0000Ec-16 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:28:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE20893B73 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:25:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10159-01 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:25:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFA493B71 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:25:10 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] www.globulation2.org look updated Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:25:09 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051214020822.GA20881@nautilus> <439FDB17.5050005@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <439FDB17.5050005@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512141825.09878.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:34:01 -0000 Hi, I'm not trying to defend my skin, but imho there some problems with your skins: - Both grass and sand look ugly in glob2. They are from the 256 colors time. They should be remade one day. Water is much better as it has already been remade. - Using more than one texture is too much, it wraps from elegant to kitsch - The science building gras root contrast better with blue than with green. I hope this don't hurt your feelings, it's not the purprose 8after all, we did the ugly grass and sand), but you asked for opinion ;-) Other people, what is your opinion? Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 14 16:29:56 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EmeCC-0002pL-A4 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:29:56 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmeC9-0002oc-T6 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:29:54 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmeC8-0002oD-Vq for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:29:53 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmeC8-0002o7-N9 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:29:52 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EmeEG-0005Gt-VT for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:32:05 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Dec 2005 21:29:13 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-0-193.mnet-online.de (EHLO [192.168.0.25]) [82.135.0.193] by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 14 Dec 2005 22:29:13 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <43A08F24.7000503@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:31:16 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] www.globulation2.org look updated References: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051214020822.GA20881@nautilus> <439FDB17.5050005@gmx.de> <200512141825.09878.nct@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <200512141825.09878.nct@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:29:54 -0000 in order to not hurt the players community's feelings with our ugly site every criticism is welcome :) seriously i just tried to get my hand on this css-thing as i recently played around with css, too. i didn't work on the gfx except for makeing it more readable. my css has some bug now and is by far not complete. i just wanted to propose this sand over the obscureing contrast-rich version that was proposed earlier. for i final version i have something in mind with round edges only to the center of the page (right for the left column) with very light grafix. perhaps i can do it tonight. greetings, leo Stéphane Magnenat wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not trying to defend my skin, but imho there some problems with your > skins: > - Both grass and sand look ugly in glob2. They are from the 256 colors time. > They should be remade one day. Water is much better as it has already been > remade. > - Using more than one texture is too much, it wraps from elegant to kitsch > - The science building gras root contrast better with blue than with green. > I hope this don't hurt your feelings, it's not the purprose 8after all, we did > the ugly grass and sand), but you asked for opinion ;-) > > Other people, what is your opinion? > > Steph > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > -- Dipl.-Math. Univ. Leo Wandersleb Kolumbusstr.2 81543 München Tel.: 0179-7748888 From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 14 21:28:28 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Emir6-00055s-EN for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:28:28 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Emir3-000529-W5 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:28:26 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Emir3-000511-94 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:28:25 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Emir3-00050h-2j for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:28:25 -0500 Received: from [64.233.184.192] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EmitD-0005s3-M5 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:30:39 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i12so551788wra for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:27:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=QbFPWge8QgttTUlResZcnoy+ELUobVG8IV64kboouIrqTyVUWHRJ0wDWTzfXr2iqsEkdDkdGkDYi3klHlu59WnBtWoHJaYkgjYWQY08D6MO3r11KCacoDaFujT71Hjmd2TkWtVHcOnYjfQfc5FNPaTvxWQ9+fBKAzdxz3MHwS6A= Received: by 10.64.193.4 with SMTP id q4mr871075qbf; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:27:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.156.2 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:27:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:27:45 -0800 From: Bradley Arsenault To: Globulation2 development mailing list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [glob2-devel] Split calculation X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:28:26 -0000 I've ran into a bit of a delima in my ai, Nicowar. Nicowar uses very heavy algorithms when its deciding where to place a building, or exploration flag. At times, it can freeze for a quarter or half a second when thinking about it. I tried to fix this by building a split calculation framework, where a module could request extra ticks for a particular calculation. However, I've run into a delima: the amount of calculation done, and thus how much it should be split, depends on a good many factors. Particularly, in the terms of building placement, how much lag the ai goes through depends on the size of the map its operating in. Larger maps will require much more calculation, and have a good deal more lag. On a 512x512 map, splitting the calculation in two won't cut it, the calculation would have to be cut into about 5 before you would see the lag gone completely. Yet the lag could be properly hidden split into 2 on a 128x128 map. The lag is non existant on a 64x64 map. Whats worse, is that part of the problem is that this expensive calculation is done repedietely with slightly different variables each time, specifically during building placement searches because it chooses where to place a building differently for each building. So this calculation is done several times. It would be difficult to split the execution of calculations into multiple sections if they are in a loop. Further in pain, the calculation itself that chooses where to place a building does 3 loops, the expensive ones being the first and second. And these loops further call a function that examines a particular section of the grid, yet two more nested loops. However, a profile a while back showed that it was not the function that polled the sections of the grid for a particular piece of information that was taking up all the calculation time, but it seems that the function that examines this generated data (the one I was talking about a moment ago) is the one taking up the time. Its obvious that the grid polling calculation should be split up, but so many factors are involved, its hard to know how. How much the calculation should be split up varies on several factors, mainly map size. Splitting up the function involves deviding up loop calculations, and further more, the main lag is because the function is called multiple times (generally once per building type, and once again for each building placed, stopping). I managed to get a little speed up when I had the algorithm only executed when there was "space" for it. Meaning if there was nowhere to place a smaller building, then there is certainly no where to place this building. That saved some execution time, but the problem still persists. From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 14 21:36:31 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Emiys-0000GR-VX for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:36:31 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Emiyr-0000Ec-0H for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:36:29 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Emiyq-0000EB-Bo for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:36:28 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Emiyq-0000E3-80 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:36:28 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Emj10-0007J4-Nd for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:38:43 -0500 Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051215023546.OJKP21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:35:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051215023546.OEZZ11396.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:35:46 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1Emj0q-4mj-00 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:38:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:38:32 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] www.globulation2.org look updated Message-ID: <20051215023832.GA17041@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051214020822.GA20881@nautilus> <439FDB17.5050005@gmx.de> <200512141825.09878.nct@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200512141825.09878.nct@ysagoon.com> X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:36:29 -0000 Well, I wasn't sure whether I liked the skin even as I was writing it, and at any rate, if I wasn't big enough to take some criticism, I wouldn't be posting here :) Looking at it again, I agree that putting sand in the text boxes doesn't work. Personally, I rather like the bright green, although from the comments on here and on IRC, I think it's a colour that splits the community down the middle. It seems to me that the grass colour would be the best solution if it worked. As such, the solution to the website is to make better grass (and preferably sand) images for the game. I've worked out a rough procedure for making quite nice grass tiles in the GIMP. I'll lay it out here and show my results. I'd invite people to try playing with the recipe to try and make better grass. 1) create a new 128x128 image (it's important that it be this size). 2) Fill the image with grey. How bright you make the grey will affect how bright your final results are. 3) Go to filters->noise->scatter RGB. Deselect "independant RGB" and click OK. 4) Go to layer->colours->curves. Set the maximum value on the red and blue channels to 50%. Leave the green channel alone. On the value channel, add a 3rd point in the middle of the curve at about 30% height. Hit OK. 5) Go to filters->blur->gaussian blur. Set the blur radius to 2 on both the horizontal and vertical axis. Hit OK. 5) Split the image into 16 segments. Since this is quite hard to do manually, I've hacked (and I do mean hacked) a little bit of script-fu together. In the main GIMP window (not the image window), go to Xtns->Script Fu->Script Fu console. In the "current command" text box, paste the following lines: (define (my-copy-square x y from base) (gimp-rect-select 1 (* x 32) (* y 32) 32 32 2 0 0) (gimp-edit-copy (car (gimp-image-get-active-drawable 1))) (let* ((image (car (gimp-image-new 32 32 RGB))) (layer (car (gimp-layer-new image 32 32 RGB-IMAGE "foobar" 100 NORMAL-MODE))) (filename (string-append "terrain" (string-append (number->string (+ base (+ x (* 4 y)))) ".png")))) (gimp-image-add-layer image layer 0) (gimp-display-new image) (gimp-rect-select image 0 0 32 32 0 0 0) (gimp-edit-paste (car (gimp-image-get-active-drawable image)) 0) (gimp-image-flatten image) (file-png-save 1 image (car (gimp-image-get-active-drawable image)) filename filename 0 9 0 0 0 1 1) (gimp-display-delete image) (print filename) )) (define (my-copy-row y from base) (my-copy-square 0 y from base) (my-copy-square 1 y from base) (my-copy-square 2 y from base) (my-copy-square 3 y from base) ) (define (my-copy-all from base) (my-copy-row 0 from base) (my-copy-row 1 from base) (my-copy-row 2 from base) (my-copy-row 3 from base) ) Each image is referred to by a number internally by the GIMP. There's probably a clever way of finding the number of the image, but I don't know what that clever way is. If the image you're cutting up is the first one you created when you started the GIMP, your image number is 1. Assuming yours is image number 1, you can split up your files by doing: (my-copy-all 1 0) This will save each 32x32 section of your image in a file called terrain0.png, terrain1.png, and so on. 6) Copy the files into your ~/.glob2/data/gfx directory (which you'll probably have to create) and start glob2. You can now play a game with your new tiles. Going through this procedure myself, I got some grass that I rather like. It's available for now at http://www.globulation2.org/terrain.tar.bz2 Personally, I love these tiles for the game - they look luscious and grassy, rather than dreary like the old tiles. Although, having started this whole post on the premise that what looks good in the game will look good on the website, I've now updated glob2test and the same tiles just look pixely and unpleasant. So you can either agree with me that I'm no good at graphical design, or disagree and say that I am - whatever you say now, I'm happy :) - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 15 06:25:32 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EmrBQ-0001b4-Uy for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:22:03 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Emqh3-0008UD-WD for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:50:40 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmqRz-0007xc-FX for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:35:06 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmqPm-0007jE-KC for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:32:47 -0500 Received: from [66.111.4.28] (helo=out4.smtp.messagingengine.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EmqS0-00011r-Ms for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:35:04 -0500 Received: from frontend1.internal (mysql-sessions.internal [10.202.2.149]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899A1D24293 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.212]) by frontend1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:32:02 -0500 Received: by web3.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 96D4D3B4A; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:32:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1134642722.15261.249852581@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: /seRhGeboGvo5blBh9DEx2D4IAJtbtZLmscGrxqpal1c 1134642722 From: "MOA3333" To: "Globulation2 development mailing list" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.5 (F2.73; T1.15; A1.64; B3.05; Q3.03) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:32:02 -0800 Subject: [glob2-devel] Globule pathfinding X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:21:54 -0000 There are some older emails about this. I will continue my brainstorming on this subject. In the past emails, i thinked splitting the gradient in regions is good. It can help with speed, but it is both hard to code and with problems related to the border betwen regions. In order to eliminate this problems, regions should take as much as possible the shape of obstacles. Folowing this idea, i have found that the best should be to eliminate completly the gradient algorithm. Each obstacle is a region, each region is an obstacle. The new algorithm if it works, should be able to know a path to any region/obstacle, not the best, but one that is good enaught. This means it will at best know the average distance to the target, and it will be very difficult to know exactly witch building is closer. First, the base algorithm: - identify each obstacle as a region: it must be of a single type (wood, building, weet, etc) and must be continous, a single piece. Each case will have a number that is the same as the region, and i don't know yet if a type representing the region is useful. - apply an algorithm that will compute all free spaces that are near each region, at distance 1, then 2, etc, like in the gradient system, but starting with all the regions at the same time. The idea is that each free case should belong to a single region, the closest, and not try to cover the hole map. Finaly the hole map is covered, but each case with the gradient of a single region - Other diference from the gradient system, we can keep in each case other informations, not only how far it is from the building. One information should be in witch direction the closest region is. This can be one of the 8 directions (or a more precise direction, like a range of integers???) - Other infomration we can keep is witch case of the region is (or was when the gradient was first computed)) the closest. We can put numbers on the border of each region this way, and this is important. This algorithm is a very human one, and can replace the fact that ants can see. Actualy, globules can see the obstacles here. The clasical gradient algorithm thinks that globules should take the closest path by surfing on a line, taking a line. This algorithm thinks that globules should go directly to the building if they are near the building. If not, the globule must avoid obstacles and then go to the building. To avoid obstacles, it will travel in a cercle around each obstacle, even if it is closer to take the corner. The globule must be able to do the folowing: 1 - go straight into the region that is the closest. 2 - go away from that region into the oposite direction 3 - go round the obstacle clockwise 4 - go round the obstacle reverse clockwise For example, a travel can be the folowing staps: 3242423242421, or more general ([3 or 4] 2)* 1 The only problem is to decide a list of 3 and 4 to folow on the fly if possible... First way, the stupid one: - try to find the border of the region that is the closest to the destination. - go 3 or 4, depending witch is faster (we cana also consider haw large the road is) This will be easy to implement, but it is not sure it will find a good path, however it will always find a path suposing we do not have a labyrinth. Seccond way, a better one: - each region has a few neighbours. How do we know witch is the neighbour? Simple: when the gradient of two regions touch each other, then they are neighbours. - if we put numbers on the border of the region, than every border will have a neighbour and only one. (some time 2, but we ignore that for now) - a graph can be built, each region with his neighours and information about witch part of the region is closest to that neighbour. Two regions that touch each other are NOT neighbours, and it is better to consider a region only by the border that is possible to travel along, not the regions that are not accesible. - Now we can apply a simple A* or somethink on this graph. A* starting from the destination, or even a gradient system on the graph, not on the map directly. Optimisation: We consider a region of more than one type. This means each region will realy be a region surounded by spaces. This will simplify the problem related to regions that touch each other. This means the destination will not be a region, but only the border of a region. Globules will travel ([3 or 4] 2)* [3 or 4 ] 1 Optimisation2: We conider a single region all part that are separated by a single case. Actualy this means globules will not be able to travel there, but this is a good idea since this will produce congestion. It is up to the player to make space, especialy if bigger maps are possible. It will be possible in the future to implement a function (5) that means traversing a region, not by going round, but by going inside a thin hole like this. This should be however used carefuly. Globules will travel (([3 or 4] 5? 2)* 1. And the difficulty will be a list of 3 and 4, eventualy a 5. This is not yet the best, but it is what i have found for now. I hope it is not too complicated. If you find the idea good, maybe a more simple solution is possible. Actualy i think the graph will not change that much, only localy. And the gradient we will be able to regenerate more localy, ond only once from time to time. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 15 06:41:44 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EmrMH-0002pb-9t for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:33:14 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmrLX-0002i3-G0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:32:27 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmrCN-0001ez-4m for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:24:35 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmqX6-0008Cw-LO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:40:25 -0500 Received: from [195.176.254.13] (helo=relay02.hgkz.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EmqZK-000380-9i for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:42:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by relay02.hgkz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2FFDF512 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:39:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from relay02.hgkz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (relay02.hgkz.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12886-03 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:39:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from venus.hgkz.ch (venus.hgkz.ch [195.176.254.27]) by relay02.hgkz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D80EDF4A3 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:39:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.31.7.232] (unknown [172.31.7.232]) by venus.hgkz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15423DE1D0 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:39:32 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20051215023832.GA17041@nautilus> References: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051214020822.GA20881@nautilus> <439FDB17.5050005@gmx.de> <200512141825.09878.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051215023832.GA17041@nautilus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Gabriel Walt Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] www.globulation2.org look updated Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:39:32 +0100 To: Globulation2 development mailing list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at relay02.hgkz.ch X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:33:08 -0000 > Going through this procedure myself, I got some grass that I rather > like. It's available for now at > http://www.globulation2.org/terrain.tar.bz2 Very cool tiles, they are looking much better!! :D Very nice work, Gimp-hacker! ;) From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 15 07:13:01 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Emrux-0001Ii-GI for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:09:03 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmqUw-00089B-0q for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:38:08 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EmqQV-0007sm-VU for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:33:35 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmqPO-0007hv-Ms for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:32:25 -0500 Received: from [195.176.254.13] (helo=relay02.hgkz.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EmqRc-0000wC-KV for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:34:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by relay02.hgkz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DB6DF574 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:31:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from relay02.hgkz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (relay02.hgkz.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12319-05 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:31:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from venus.hgkz.ch (venus.hgkz.ch [195.176.254.27]) by relay02.hgkz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B043DF56C for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:31:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.31.7.232] (unknown [172.31.7.232]) by venus.hgkz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97E83DE1D0 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:31:31 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200512141825.09878.nct@ysagoon.com> References: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051214020822.GA20881@nautilus> <439FDB17.5050005@gmx.de> <200512141825.09878.nct@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Gabriel Walt Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] www.globulation2.org look updated Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:31:31 +0100 To: Globulation2 development mailing list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at relay02.hgkz.ch X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:08:40 -0000 > - Both grass and sand look ugly in glob2. They are from the 256 > colors time. > They should be remade one day. Water is much better as it has > already been > remade. I don't quite agree here, the old grass has been enhanced, blurred, etc and it isn't really 256 colors any more. I like the current grass tile and most importantly, it really communicates glob2's in-game feeling, the water tile isn't that glob2 specific. > - Using more than one texture is too much, it wraps from elegant to > kitsch Here I fully agree, there really shouldn't be too much graphical effects! Text backgrounds should have no texture, especially the main text, but imo even for the menu it's too much. > - The science building gras root contrast better with blue than > with green. That's not such a big issue... It's true that there's no big contrast there, but if you really want a contrast, it's not hard to change the building's roof color. > Other people, what is your opinion? :o) Gabriel From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 15 16:04:14 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1En0Gs-00036Q-0P for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:04:14 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1En0Gp-00035Y-PQ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:04:11 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1En0GV-000323-57 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:04:10 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1En0GV-000320-2D for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:03:51 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1En0Ih-0002ap-PO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:06:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DC393B73 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:02:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20060-02 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:02:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF3F93B64 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:02:52 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] www.globulation2.org look updated Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:02:53 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> <200512141825.09878.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051215023832.GA17041@nautilus> In-Reply-To: <20051215023832.GA17041@nautilus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512152202.53584.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:04:12 -0000 Hi, It would be very nice to add new grass to glob2. Problem is that the grass itself is not difficult to do, the difficult part is to have nice transitions from grass to sand in all situations. I was able to fix this with water by setting sand to transparent. We might be able to do the same with grass (grassa dn water never overlap in a single tile) bu that would require drawing water by 32x32 tiles which would be slow. Otherwise I prefer the grass of glob2test that the one of default skin. I think we should also modify skin property so that there is a single line of pixel between left menu and content, it would look cleaner imho. I also think we should remove the original one 1px line 3d effects as they don't fit well with a texture background. What do you think? Steph P.S. I'll have a look into this AI/NN thing when I'll feel better, I'm quite ill those days. -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 15 18:53:09 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1En2uL-0000uA-Be for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:53:09 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1En2uJ-0000tk-PE for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:53:08 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1En2uI-0000t5-De for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:53:07 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1En2uG-0000sw-H8 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:53:06 -0500 Received: from [64.233.184.192] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1En2wa-000261-7C for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:55:28 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so761095wra for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:52:19 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=izwO1KqsyMglfEcUZW75jXZJKs82cPgTPfYw+ISESgnUnly/yXdIdAt7J51tQl/RdN/wns6qetdO5UAU6NGDAc4BA3j+HJnkh2Y4HC0/X4w97mSkUVc+YkIeaQxYNJfFRuyVotXmtxYn8J1njOyJj31FllcqdYPhsjwPrC7oQ7M= Received: by 10.64.193.4 with SMTP id q4mr1588016qbf; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:52:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.156.2 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:52:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:52:18 -0800 From: Bradley Arsenault To: Globulation2 development mailing list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [glob2-devel] Revive the market X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:53:08 -0000 I read on stephanes neew gameplay idea, and noted that near the end everyone wanted to "revive the market." The market is ofcoarse a dead building. Its quite useless. I propose we fix that, and I have a simple way to do it. I say we implement resource sharing between markets. Meaning markets will become one global resevoir for recources. They can be used, for example, to harvest wheat in one area, and use it in another. I can't think of something simpler to implement, all it is is a few wavefront changes, a couple of added variables to the Team class, and a change in the gui. Thats practically it. Better yet, the usage of the new market still revolves around the name "market", and so the graphics for the market are also still going to work. This would add a simple, but entirely new element to the gameplay. You could have all of your resources harvested in one area, and then used in another, but then your using twice as many workers to carry the same amount of resource, and if your enemy decides to attack your market, one building can cause the destruction of a great deal, everything that depends on that market will soon run out of resources. So its not just a cheap way to gain an advantage, certainly using markets in this manner come with ups and downs. As well, the idea is wide open to be expanded upon later, but it doesn't all have to be done at th same time for the market to make sense. For example, in the future, it should be possible to select what kinds of resources are incoming and outgoing on a particular market, so that if there is lots of wood in one area dn lots of wheat in another, both of them can thrive easily, rather than having global a incoming/outgoing. As well, it may be made so that the global maximum that can be stored in the markets increases as you own more markets. From this idea, we can grow into upgrading: Higher level markets allow for more amount of global resource stoarge. Obvioussly, at the beggining, the global resource stoarge should be very low, perhaps 10 or 5 per resource, so that it requires constant input in order to be usefull. It would not be fun if your opponent builds one market, you go and destroy it, but it takes the next half hour for you to see the effects, and by then he has probably rebuilt his market. The idea has merit. It could be easily implemented, and to the best of my knowledge, do able in a weekend. Meaning we could do it soon, and have it well tested for 1.0, so that we don't go into 1.0 with a pretty much useless building. From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 16 09:12:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EnGIJ-0003s5-8a for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:10:47 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnGHN-0003UF-NO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:09:50 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnFks-0004YB-H6 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:36:16 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnFdR-0002sT-3C for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:28:33 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnFfr-00084z-CW for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:31:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E042293B67 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:27:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25001-01 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:27:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A224193B62 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:27:43 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:27:44 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512161427.44408.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Subject: [glob2-devel] Website look X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:10:41 -0000 Hi, I've worked a bit more on the website look. I've taken Andrew's grass, changed the science building's roof color, and modified some more CSS settings. Now it looks much more like the old website, although in green this time :-) Your opinions are welcome, enjoy, Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 16 09:21:06 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EnGSG-0006vw-Pl for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:21:05 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnGDa-0002Ti-GT for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:05:55 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnFtf-0006Ts-Mw for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:45:23 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnFj2-00046p-HB for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:34:20 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnFlS-0000T4-Am for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:36:50 -0500 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051216133332.XLDD8609.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:33:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051216133332.RZCR13162.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:33:32 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1EnFl3-0x7-00 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:36:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:36:25 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Revive the market Message-ID: <20051216133625.GA3627@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:21:01 -0000 I'd certainly be in favour of this - are you volunteering to do it? - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 16 15:11:23 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EnLvG-0003Sk-Vg for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:11:23 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnLvE-0003SM-8R for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:11:20 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnLvB-0003RS-1Q for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:11:19 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnLvA-0003RO-P4 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:11:16 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnLxd-0007g8-N9 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:13:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C1893B67 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:10:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26681-03 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:10:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E0293B62 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:10:27 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Revive the market Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:10:28 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512162110.28798.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:11:21 -0000 Please note that if there is no implementation bug (at there may be some as the market has not bee extensively tested), if you set a market to store all fruits, it will be filled until full. Then if you set it to unstore all fruits, it can provide fruits to nearby inns. If you want to test this theoretical behaviour, you'll be very welcomed :-) Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 16 21:03:09 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EnRPh-0002iK-15 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:03:09 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnRPe-0002hy-Sy for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:03:07 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnRPd-0002hm-CL for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:03:06 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnRPd-0002hj-9m for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:03:05 -0500 Received: from [64.233.162.202] (helo=zproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnRS9-0005On-Dy for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:05:41 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z3so758538nzf for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:02:19 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=e+Y+JZMRrb8qcLFBRg/Dgr438xw6N1WugK+F5gQWeTz8frx8YKFfEvs2IjOlOZ1vNV1l4O9woA/2X8q7EVU3snwI8pkzUbbOZsaVg3iIMjW6+ln9sUa0lWXl5/VNceywdYK9w5zUFJYwe/lbBbOyav6BWuoYsBvyqlReh1rt7fs= Received: by 10.64.253.1 with SMTP id a1mr325462qbi; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.156.2 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:02:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:02:19 -0800 From: Bradley Arsenault To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Revive the market In-Reply-To: <200512162110.28798.nct@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200512162110.28798.nct@ysagoon.com> X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 02:03:07 -0000 On 12/16/05, St=E9phane Magnenat wrote: > Please note that if there is no implementation bug (at there may be some = as > the market has not bee extensively tested), if you set a market to store = all > fruits, it will be filled until full. Then if you set it to unstore all > fruits, it can provide fruits to nearby inns. > > If you want to test this theoretical behaviour, you'll be very welcomed := -) Hmm. Well, I've put in the framework for such a thing. However... I'm not sure how to go about it. I have looked into the code, and I'm unable to figure out where the ressources variable in building gets updated. I have added in a new variable to team, teamRessources, changed the save/load code, updated and the save format version number. I've also added a new variable to building types indicating whether that building gets its ressources from the global resevoir or from the local one, i've modified the save/load code and the data/buildings.txt and data/buildings.default.txt approprietly. However, i'm not sure how to approach this otherwise. > Steph > > -- > http://nct.ysagoon.com > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 17 05:30:25 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EnZIM-0004qr-La for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:28:07 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnZIF-0004pr-7m for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:27:59 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnZIA-0004pP-GT for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:27:55 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnZI5-0004og-Gy for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:27:50 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnZKf-0004HD-7z for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:30:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267AB93B74 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:26:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30475-02 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:26:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFD793B6E for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:26:58 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:26:57 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512171126.57569.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Subject: [glob2-devel] Potential source of desyncronisation in network game with Ubuntu X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:28:01 -0000 Hi, Ubuntu has patched glob2 and made some gameplay tuning by modyfing some armor charateristics in data/building.txt ! http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/glob2/ It looks like they have backported part of 0.8.17 to 0.8.16 wit some other changes. I have not the time now to see into details now but I'm afraid that if they have changed settings files and no version numbver that will surely lead to desynchronisation in network game. Does anyone talked with them or suggested them to patch 0.8.16 instad of going to 0.8.17? Thanks, Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 17 05:33:50 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EnZNt-0006WT-T3 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:33:50 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnZNo-0006V4-4A for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:33:44 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnZNl-0006U8-MX for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:33:42 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnZNk-0006Tn-Sp for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:33:41 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnZQK-0005Jh-M3 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:36:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EB893B75 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:32:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30495-02 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:32:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD3F93B74 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:32:52 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:32:52 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512171132.52655.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Subject: [glob2-devel] Hum.. forget my mail about ubuntu's patch X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:33:47 -0000 It looks like their patch is in fact the 0.8.14 to 0.8.16 patch. I still don't understand why it's linked in the debian quality assurance tracker... Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 17 19:02:31 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Enm0U-0005xJ-7Z for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:02:30 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Enm0Q-0005uZ-NT for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:02:27 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Enlwt-0004m9-Dw for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:58:49 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Enlws-0004lv-Cw for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:58:46 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EnlzY-0002pR-Cu for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:01:32 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Enlw1-00062m-GD for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:57:53 -0600 Message-ID: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:57:54 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] forums! X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:02:28 -0000 start reading the forums! users have been putting up help requests without answers! I've been trying to reply to what I can, but I don't know everything. Please start using them more! Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 17 22:19:57 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Enp5Z-0004Qx-IF for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:19:57 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Enp5W-0004Pg-KD for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:19:55 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Enp5U-0004Oo-T6 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:19:54 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Enp5U-0004Ok-KZ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:19:52 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Enp8B-0006kF-Vm for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:22:40 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 18 Dec 2005 03:19:00 -0000 Received: from ppp-62-245-161-205.mnet-online.de (EHLO [192.168.0.25]) [62.245.161.205] by mail.gmx.net (mp033) with SMTP; 18 Dec 2005 04:19:00 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 04:21:30 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> In-Reply-To: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 03:19:55 -0000 just (re)found it. i'd want some mail-notifier on posts in the help-threads. although i will work on the faq as most noobs have the same problems that are not yet adressed anywhere. Kyle Lutze wrote: > start reading the forums! > > users have been putting up help requests without answers! > > I've been trying to reply to what I can, but I don't know everything. > > Please start using them more! > > Kyle > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > -- Dipl.-Math. Univ. Leo Wandersleb Kolumbusstr.2 81543 München Tel.: 0179-7748888 From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 17 22:35:25 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EnpKX-0001Db-QM for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:35:25 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnpKW-0001DO-0t for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:35:24 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnpKU-0001DC-KQ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:35:23 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnpKU-0001D9-Fe for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:35:22 -0500 Received: from [64.233.162.192] (helo=zproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnpNC-0000gW-5M for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:38:10 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 8so929727nzo for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:34:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sZWS4GoSEfWU5LqH8t5GbVUlgKeiYI7ZcYpotANr7NpTiaa42s9vJ0hG7vJ8Q3U97j2add/uhh8f+lKaDRK64XL7iPsSK21x0BrLtqpBLwflHYjRVJOLYb6g4MTnsUjq58A+sG4VxIvgEB37CjX1Q2hE6D3RH8lglBooEGXsZzk= Received: by 10.65.197.20 with SMTP id z20mr2741072qbp; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:34:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.156.2 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:34:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:34:32 -0800 From: Bradley Arsenault To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! In-Reply-To: <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 03:35:24 -0000 There is a person on the forums that has a patch that, as he says, can make a great improvement on the gradient calculation speed. From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 18 02:21:53 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ensrg-0001z0-PJ for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:21:53 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ensrd-0001y4-Uy for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:21:50 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ensrb-0001xc-TQ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:21:49 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ensrb-0001xV-7B for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:21:47 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EnsuK-0005t7-Jd for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:24:36 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Ensqg-00025U-Fj for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:20:50 -0600 Message-ID: <43A50DD5.9090202@randomvoids.com> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:20:53 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:21:50 -0000 after logging in, for specific groups there is a moderators only forum. Mostly it's for people working on the development of the site to read. please check it out. if you think you should get access, just let me know Right now there is info on mods to be added. please check them out Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 18 05:58:25 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EnwFD-0004F2-Lr for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 05:58:23 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnwFA-0004EO-8Q for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 05:58:20 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnwF8-0004Dg-7W for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 05:58:19 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnwF7-0004Db-Qz for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 05:58:18 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnwHs-0004kg-Nv for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 06:01:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F5B93B75 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:57:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03856-02 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:57:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (unknown [192.168.1.34]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6692493B65 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:57:24 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:57:37 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:58:21 -0000 On Sunday 18 December 2005 04:34, Bradley Arsenault wrote: > There is a person on the forums that has a patch that, as he says, can > make a great improvement on the gradient calculation speed. It's there: http://globulation2.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10 Nuage, could you have a look plz ? Your mediawiki account wotks flor forums Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 18 07:00:08 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EnxCw-0008JX-Fc for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:00:06 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnxCr-0008Gd-30 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:00:01 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnxCn-0008EE-K3 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 06:59:59 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnxCk-0008Cd-UM for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 06:59:56 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnxFW-0005dc-Bj for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:02:46 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 18 Dec 2005 11:59:03 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-11-223.mnet-online.de (EHLO [82.135.11.223]) [82.135.11.223] by mail.gmx.net (mp005) with SMTP; 18 Dec 2005 12:59:03 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <43A54F9F.2020705@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:01:35 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: [glob2-devel] [Mark this article as patrolled] X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:00:03 -0000 Hi List! How do we deal with [Mark this article as patrolled] in the wiki? I'd vote to use this not only for remacable excellent changes but to confirm the changes are meaningful. So every imported page gets my 'patroled' if i had a look at it and it was no nonsense. Giszmo From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 18 08:07:15 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EnyFu-00073s-40 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:07:14 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnyFp-000730-OO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:07:10 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnyFn-00071m-Ip for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:07:08 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnyFm-00070u-CO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:07:06 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnyIY-0004Fw-77 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:09:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CED993B75 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:06:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04297-04 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:06:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (unknown [192.168.1.34]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BDB93B65 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:06:13 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 list Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:06:26 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512181406.27039.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Subject: [glob2-devel] Wiki news X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:07:11 -0000 Hi, I've made a tour old old wiki, and moved or linked most of the community and developer related things. Those two page now link to the old one in case content has not been moved yet: * http://globulation2.org/wiki/Contributor_Center * http://globulation2.org/wiki/Developer_Center Please do not use any more epfl.ysagoon.com but lissrv3.epfl.ch to refer to the old web site as the name redirect could be stopped at any time. If you want to help but don't want to edit wiki pages, the trackback page: http://globulation2.org/wiki/Trackback List all known sites linking to glob2. Most of them need update about new versions. Once the download and player guide page are a bit more updated, we'll officialy move from glob2.ysagoon.com to globulation2.org. At that point, we should update all reference. I will also update glob2.ysagoon.com to point to www.globulation2.org at that point. Have a nice day, Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 18 08:12:16 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EnyKk-0000Od-IB for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:12:14 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnyKe-0000MT-GX for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:12:08 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnyJJ-0008N4-L0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:10:46 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnyJF-0008MF-FB for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:10:43 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnyM1-0004Z6-Dj for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:13:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2D193B75 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:09:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04278-05 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:09:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (unknown [192.168.1.34]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5229693B65 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:09:49 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] [Mark this article as patrolled] Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:10:03 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <43A54F9F.2020705@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <43A54F9F.2020705@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512181410.03286.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:12:10 -0000 > How do we deal with [Mark this article as patrolled] in the > wiki? I'd vote to use this not only for remacable excellent > changes but to confirm the changes are meaningful. So every > imported page gets my 'patroled' if i had a look at it and > it was no nonsense. Ok Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 18 08:30:40 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Enyca-0006vq-04 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:30:40 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnycW-0006ue-Rm for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:30:37 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnycT-0006tL-7x for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:30:35 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnycS-0006sz-Kr for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:30:32 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EnyfE-0006UP-OC for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:33:24 -0500 Received: from [62.48.111.45] (helo=[192.168.1.10]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Enyba-0004jT-3z for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:29:38 +0100 Message-ID: <43A563FA.6030404@ysagoon.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:28:26 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051102 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] tab and space conventions X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:30:38 -0000 Please do not replace tabs by spaces! Someone has mades changes in the code where tabs has been replaced by 8 spaces. I use 4 spaces for tabs, so not it's unreadeable for me now, I will fix it. Thank you. From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 18 08:50:30 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Enyvj-0003yu-3p for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:50:28 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Enyvb-0003yG-15 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:50:20 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnyvW-0003xN-0y for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:50:15 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnyvR-0003x0-OO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:50:11 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EnyyD-0000ZW-S2 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:53:02 -0500 Received: from [62.48.111.45] (helo=[192.168.1.10]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Enyub-0005dZ-0N for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:49:17 +0100 Message-ID: <43A5689B.2090100@ysagoon.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:48:11 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051102 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:50:22 -0000 The forum registration form keep saying this: The confirmation code you entered was incorrect Stéphane Magnenat wrote: > On Sunday 18 December 2005 04:34, Bradley Arsenault wrote: > >>There is a person on the forums that has a patch that, as he says, can >>make a great improvement on the gradient calculation speed. > > > It's there: > http://globulation2.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10 > > Nuage, could you have a look plz ? > Your mediawiki account wotks flor forums > > Steph > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 18 09:06:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EnzBa-0008Us-5G for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:06:50 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnzBW-0008Qv-Ii for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:06:46 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Enz8c-0006mJ-ND for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:03:47 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Enz5k-0006HG-22 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:00:49 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Enz8W-0002Dn-6f for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:03:40 -0500 Received: from [62.48.111.45] (helo=[192.168.1.10]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Enz4t-0005wk-88 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:59:55 +0100 Message-ID: <43A56B19.7030107@ysagoon.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:58:49 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051102 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:06:48 -0000 I have trouble to reply into the forums: 1) I had to make 8 tries before I could register. Most of the time, the registration form would say that I misstyped the control code. 2) I can't log in. If I type the wrong password, it's fine, it say I have entered a wrong password. But it I type the right one, then I am back into the login page... promting me for my login and passwd again (and forever). Nuage Stéphane Magnenat wrote: > On Sunday 18 December 2005 04:34, Bradley Arsenault wrote: > >>There is a person on the forums that has a patch that, as he says, can >>make a great improvement on the gradient calculation speed. > > > It's there: > http://globulation2.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10 > > Nuage, could you have a look plz ? > Your mediawiki account wotks flor forums > > Steph > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 18 09:36:19 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Enze6-0000kk-Iw for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:36:18 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Enze3-0000jh-Ha for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:36:15 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Enze1-0000j0-01 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:36:14 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Enzdo-0000fN-Py for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:36:01 -0500 Received: from [82.216.130.208] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Enzgb-0007wE-CS for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:38:53 -0500 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1003) id D88775B7BA; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:35:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:35:15 +0100 From: Munteanu Alexandru To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx Message-ID: <20051218143515.GA6423@yahoo.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Munteanu Alexandru , Globulation2 development mailing list References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43A56B19.7030107@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43A56B19.7030107@ysagoon.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:36:16 -0000 --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 02:58:49PM +0100, Nuage wrote: > I have trouble to reply into the forums: >=20 > 1) I had to make 8 tries before I could register. Most of the time, the > registration form would say that I misstyped the control code. > > 2) I can't log in. If I type the wrong password, it's fine, it say I have > entered a wrong password. But it I type the right one, then I am back int= o the > login page... promting me for my login and passwd again (and forever). Weird. Is there any way you can go on irc so that we solve the problem ? *contact me (ion_bidon) --=20 Munteanu Alexandru --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDpXOjUgToylQKtsURAkYzAJ0WO0a3M1kjhxytCLsb/Pnw0nWT/ACggasR TLP/rY+wGL9do9E5s/09Ix0= =oGAA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 18 09:39:00 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Enzgh-0001UZ-U1 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:39:00 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Enzgg-0001Tx-AY for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:38:58 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Enzgd-0001Si-5j for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:38:57 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnzdP-0000a0-5m for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:35:37 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EnzgB-0007s0-KC for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:38:27 -0500 Received: from [62.48.111.45] (helo=[192.168.1.10]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EnzcX-0008Pr-TF for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:34:42 +0100 Message-ID: <43A5733F.6000403@ysagoon.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:33:35 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051102 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43A56B19.7030107@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43A56B19.7030107@ysagoon.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:38:58 -0000 Nuage wrote: > I have trouble to reply into the forums: > > 1) I had to make 8 tries before I could register. Most of the time, the > registration form would say that I misstyped the control code. > > 2) I can't log in. If I type the wrong password, it's fine, it say I have > entered a wrong password. But it I type the right one, then I am back into the > login page... promting me for my login and passwd again (and forever). This is fixed now, sorry for trouble. (but I don't know about point 1) > Nuage > > Stéphane Magnenat wrote: > >>On Sunday 18 December 2005 04:34, Bradley Arsenault wrote: >> >> >>>There is a person on the forums that has a patch that, as he says, can >>>make a great improvement on the gradient calculation speed. >> >> >>It's there: >>http://globulation2.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10 >> >>Nuage, could you have a look plz ? >>Your mediawiki account wotks flor forums >> >>Steph >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>glob2-devel mailing list >>glob2-devel@nongnu.org >>http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 18 11:01:16 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo0yJ-0001OD-PM for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:01:15 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo0yI-0001Ny-HD for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:01:14 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo0yH-0001Nb-JA for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:01:14 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo0yH-0001NX-8t for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:01:13 -0500 Received: from [151.155.5.143] (helo=smtp-send.myrealbox.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Eo114-00063z-HE for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:04:06 -0500 Received: from seal mmarshall [200.112.47.166] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 1.6 $ on Linux via secured & encrypted transport (TLS); Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:00:21 -0700 From: Matthew Marshall To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:00:50 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43A5689B.2090100@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43A5689B.2090100@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512181300.50221.mmarshall@myrealbox.com> X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:01:15 -0000 On Sunday 18 December 2005 10:48, Nuage wrote: > The forum registration form keep saying this: > > The confirmation code you entered was incorrect Well, it's case sensitive. That tripped me up the first time. MWM From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 18 11:09:56 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo16i-0003wc-4t for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:09:56 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo16g-0003wO-Fs for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:09:54 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo16e-0003w7-RI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:09:54 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo16e-0003w4-Ny for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:09:52 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Eo19R-0007d9-UO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:12:46 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Eo15n-0003FX-Bq for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:08:59 -0600 Message-ID: <43A5899C.402@randomvoids.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:09:00 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] tab and space conventions References: <43A563FA.6030404@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43A563FA.6030404@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:09:54 -0000 Nuage wrote: > Please do not replace tabs by spaces! > > Someone has mades changes in the code where tabs has been replaced by 8 spaces. > I use 4 spaces for tabs, so not it's unreadeable for me now, I will fix it. > > Thank you. > 4 spaces is the standard! everybody, leave that!. and good work so far nuage :) Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 18 19:00:18 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo8Ru-00073p-KD for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:00:18 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo8Rp-00072k-6f for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:00:14 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo8Rh-00071m-RV for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:00:06 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo8Rf-00071g-3p for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:00:03 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eo8UV-00053T-7s for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:03:00 -0500 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051218235904.SLSB21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:59:04 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051218235903.DHO13162.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:59:03 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1Eo8Tg-6Q6-00 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:02:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:02:07 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] www.globulation2.org look updated Message-ID: <20051219000207.GA23977@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <200512122236.54595.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051214020822.GA20881@nautilus> <439FDB17.5050005@gmx.de> <200512141825.09878.nct@ysagoon.com> <20051215023832.GA17041@nautilus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051215023832.GA17041@nautilus> X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:00:16 -0000 Since I've started down this road of doing up the background tiles, I thought I'd move on, and have a go at redoing the sand tiles. Before I start, This experience has taught me something I ought to share with you all. I don't consider myself at all artistic, and have never done anything before more than look through the menus of the GIMP. One of the nicest things about working on an open source project is that it gives you the chance to do something completely off-the-wall that you've never done before. With a little perseverance and some constructive criticism, you can bootstrap a decent understanding of a topic, and I would recommend anyone reading this that's said to themselves "I'd love to help with Globulation 2, but I don't have " to stop making excuses and start using our community as the teaching tool that we are. Anyway, I've been thinking about the texture that tiles have. As Stephane previously mentioned, water was changed long ago. As I understand it, one huge tile is used for a plane of water instead of 32x32 tiles. I love the effect of the water - it gives a feeling of an ocean with calm waves. On the other hand, the new grass tiles are based on random noise, where every pixel has a slightly different hue, unrelated to its neighbours. Again, this seems very appropriate to me, because that's what grass is like - every blade slightly different. However, neither of these approaches is really applicable to sand, which is made up of rather grainier pebbles. After playing around some more with different effects, here's the method I settled on: 1) Create a new 672x672 image (again, the size is important) 2) Fill it with yellow. This colour will be the basic colour of your sand, so choose it carefully. 3) Filters->Distorts->Mosaic. You should play around with the settings, but I've found it's best to have a low neatness and a tile size of 16. 4) If you look carefully, the mosaic tool messes up the right and bottom edges of the screen, with a white or black line and some shading by it. I don't know why it does this, but rather than fix it, shrink the canvas size down to 640x480 with an offset of 0, so as to remove the corrupt sections. 5) Scale the image down to 128x128 pixels. This obscures the mosaic nature of the image, and leaves you with just a nice gritty patch of yellow. 6) Cut the image up as before. Well, not quite as before - I've managed to make a slightly less ugly version of my scripts from before: (define (my-copy-square x y from base) (gimp-rect-select from (* x 32) (* y 32) 32 32 2 0 0) (gimp-edit-copy (car (gimp-image-get-active-drawable from))) (let* ((image (car (gimp-image-new 32 32 RGB))) (layer (car (gimp-layer-new image 32 32 RGB-IMAGE "foobar" 100 NORMAL-MODE))) (filename (string-append "terrain" (string-append (number->string (+ base (+ x (* 4 y)))) ".png")))) (gimp-image-add-layer image layer 0) (gimp-display-new image) (gimp-rect-select image 0 0 32 32 0 0 0) (gimp-edit-paste (car (gimp-image-get-active-drawable image)) 0) (gimp-image-flatten image) (file-png-save 1 image (car (gimp-image-get-active-drawable image)) filename filename 0 9 0 0 0 1 1) (gimp-display-delete image) )) (define (my-copy-row y from base) (my-copy-square 0 y from base) (my-copy-square 1 y from base) (my-copy-square 2 y from base) (my-copy-square 3 y from base) ) (define (my-copy-all from base) (gimp-image-undo-disable from) (my-copy-row 0 from base) (my-copy-row 1 from base) (my-copy-row 2 from base) (my-copy-row 3 from base) (gimp-selection-none from) (gimp-image-undo-enable from) ) (my-copy-all (aref (car (cdr (gimp-image-list))) 0) 128) This script should work so long as you only have one image open, even if that image isn't the first one opened in this session. Note that the last line starts terrain numbers from 128 instead of 0, as sand terrain tiles start at 128. 7) Again, copy these images into ~/.glob2/data/gfx and play. Using this method, I've created some sand tiles: http://www.globulation2.org/sand1.tar (make sure to use the new grass tiles I mentioned in my previous post too). Personally, I'm undecided about these tiles. They give a real impression of a pebbly beach to me, but I'm not sure whether the yellow is too much. The transitions between sand and water/grass now look very silly - they'll be the hardest thing, so I'm leaving them until I'm happy with the two on their own. Stephane: the sand/water transition is currently done with the sand becoming transparent with water underneath. Is it possible to do the same with sand/grass? Also, do you know whether Glob2 can support partial transparency yet? - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Dec 18 23:50:21 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EoCyb-0005nH-JQ for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:50:21 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EoCyZ-0005kZ-R6 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:50:19 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EoCyX-0005iW-Re for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:50:19 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoCyX-0005iM-Ms for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:50:17 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EoD1Q-0005PF-CV for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:53:16 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EoCxZ-0004Zk-D8 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:49:17 -0600 Message-ID: <43A63BD0.5040802@randomvoids.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:49:20 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] Hosting stability status update X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:50:20 -0000 today was a little rough for a while when I was trying to fix my internet connection. I have two modems and my main one for the family was having issues, so I was trying to fix that. Anyway, throughout the termoil I put in some bidirection two way splitters that made a HUGE difference and really boosted my speed to what it should be - Your download speed : 7967 kbps or 995.9 KB/sec. Your upload speed : 1120 kbps or 140 KB/sec. that is from dslreports.com. For the moment I shouldn't have any more downtime, except for x-mas if I get what I'm asking for also, I will soon be willing to put globulation2.org on my ipv6 addy once I find that it is stable enough. I've got my tunnel through sixxs.net in the meantime, we've been installing mods to the forum which kicks ass, and ion_bidon is the php god :) Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 19 01:58:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EoEyi-00073N-L0 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:58:37 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EoEye-00070C-V0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:58:33 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EoEyb-0006wA-2Y for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:58:31 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoEya-0006v9-Fp for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:58:28 -0500 Received: from [194.158.229.31] (helo=obelix.sunrise.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EoF1U-0007Jb-8x for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 02:01:28 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (adsl-84-227-122-3.adslplus.ch [84.227.122.3]) by obelix.sunrise.ch (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBJ6vWUV000415; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:57:33 +0100 From: Cyrille Dunant To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] tab and space conventions Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:28:23 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <43A563FA.6030404@ysagoon.com> <43A5899C.402@randomvoids.com> In-Reply-To: <43A5899C.402@randomvoids.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512181728.24796.cyrille.dunant@epfl.ch> Cc: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 06:58:34 -0000 On Sunday 18 December 2005 17:09, Kyle Lutze wrote: > Nuage wrote: > > Please do not replace tabs by spaces! > > > > Someone has mades changes in the code where tabs has been replaced by 8 > > spaces. I use 4 spaces for tabs, so not it's unreadeable for me now, I > > will fix it. > > > > Thank you. > > 4 spaces is the standard! everybody, leave that!. and good work so far > nuage :) Arrrgh ! I hate it when people put spaces ! any editor that is better than crappy will display tabs at any size. I don't know one that will do the same for spaces... OK, OK, IHBT... :) -- CFD From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 19 20:26:54 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EoWHG-0002PR-4G for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:26:54 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EoWHF-0002P4-3M for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:26:53 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EoWHD-0002Oa-At for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:26:52 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoWHD-0002OW-6u for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:26:51 -0500 Received: from [82.216.130.208] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EoWKF-00048B-HO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:29:59 -0500 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1003) id CF7CBB03A7; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:29:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:29:22 +0100 From: Munteanu Alexandru To: Globulation2 Message-ID: <20051220012922.GA6460@yahoo.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Munteanu Alexandru , Globulation2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: [glob2-devel] Wiki additions and news X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:26:53 -0000 --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have been working on the wiki migration. I have modified the todo list here : http://globulation2.org/wiki/Todo Many things still need to be done, but finally we will migrate all :) I suggest we have 2 separate pages : Download and Install_Glob2 for example, the Download page contains too much infos. *you can also discuss this issue here : http://globulation2.org/wiki/Talk:Install_Glob2 --=20 Munteanu Alexandru --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDp15yUgToylQKtsURAqPPAJ45rSmgTBPiQrgZveHvr+6Q//ekLACfZ/s9 mdUfMeh33SLGqPjvQMHHceA= =sti9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o-- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 19 20:49:07 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EoWcl-0008EQ-73 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:49:07 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EoWci-0008Dj-0y for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:49:04 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EoWcg-0008DW-J2 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:49:03 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoWcg-0008DT-Fl for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:49:02 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EoWfi-0007zH-SA for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:52:11 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 20 Dec 2005 01:48:04 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-94-64.mnet-online.de (EHLO [192.168.0.25]) [82.135.94.64] by mail.gmx.net (mp034) with SMTP; 20 Dec 2005 02:48:04 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <43A7637A.3060802@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:50:50 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Wiki additions and news References: <20051220012922.GA6460@yahoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <20051220012922.GA6460@yahoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:49:04 -0000 For those who want to help with the new site please check these special pages: http://globulation2.org/wiki/Special:Allpages Maybe u see a site you can contribute http://globulation2.org/wiki/Special:Newpages The creator may only have provided content so you might be helpful by formating it http://globulation2.org/wiki/Special:Lonelypages It's nice to have good pages but they need to be linked properly http://globulation2.org/wiki/Special:Popularpages These are the pages _many_ people look at. so lets keep them up todate. there are other http://globulation2.org/wiki/Special:Specialpages that might help find places to work at Greetings, Leo Wandersleb Munteanu Alexandru wrote: > Hello, > > I have been working on the wiki migration. > > I have modified the todo list here : http://globulation2.org/wiki/Todo > > Many things still need to be done, but finally we will migrate all :) > > I suggest we have 2 separate pages : Download and Install_Glob2 for > example, the Download page contains too much infos. > *you can also discuss this issue here : > http://globulation2.org/wiki/Talk:Install_Glob2 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel -- Dipl.-Math. Univ. Leo Wandersleb Kolumbusstr.2 81543 München Tel.: 0179-7748888 From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 20 00:35:59 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EoaAJ-0000bL-7o for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:35:59 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EoaAG-0000aY-Qd for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:35:56 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EoaAE-0000ZV-WA for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:35:56 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoaAE-0000ZF-Ft for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:35:54 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EoaDI-0002x9-QI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:39:04 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Eoa9D-000588-Qs for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:34:51 -0600 Message-ID: <43A797FD.7080503@randomvoids.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:34:53 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] these damn net desyncs! X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:35:57 -0000 please please please try to fix them! s=Starting game... 0. World desynchronisation at executeUStep 4167. player 1 has a checkSum=1af4f889 player 0 has a checkSum=1af4f8c9 Dump full game memory glob2: NetGame.cpp:977: Order* NetGame::getOrder(int): Assertion `false' failed. Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted. [Switching to Thread 46912550234880 (LWP 11208)] 0x00002aaaabe5c839 in raise () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (gdb) ------------------------------- above is from gdb, obviously. WHY THE HELL DOES IT ALWAYS DO THAT! anyway, if we could keep it from doing that, that would be much appreciated. Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 20 17:17:15 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EopnG-0005fo-Ro for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:17:14 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EopnE-0005e6-8N for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:17:12 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EopnC-0005cb-Ck for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:17:11 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EopnC-0005cR-6u for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:17:10 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EopqN-0000Hi-RX for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:20:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB18893B78 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:16:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21740-03 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:16:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B5E93B6F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:16:07 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:16:08 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512202316.08705.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Subject: [glob2-devel] CCC X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:17:12 -0000 Hi everyone, Soon (27-30) december 2005 there is CCC in Berlin. I will perhaps go. Is there anyone that is going or planning to go ? http://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/ Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 20 18:04:46 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EoqXF-0008Im-Vc for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:04:46 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EoqXE-0008Ib-Br for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:04:44 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EoqXC-0008Hy-Ii for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:04:44 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoqXC-0008Ht-D2 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:04:42 -0500 Received: from [62.62.169.162] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EoqaN-0000qD-TF for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:08:00 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3666DF19 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:01:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43A87F26.7020008@fastmail.fm> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:01:10 +0100 From: MOA3333 User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] CCC References: <200512202316.08705.nct@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <200512202316.08705.nct@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:04:44 -0000 St=E9phane Magnenat wrote: >Hi everyone, > >Soon (27-30) december 2005 there is CCC in Berlin. I will perhaps go. Is= there=20 >anyone that is going or planning to go ? >http://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/ > >Steph > > =20 > I won't go sory, but i have a great aidea! Do you want a strong server=20 to host wikipedia or whatever? Anyway wikimedia neads... The Microfot XBOX360 costs only 300 euros but the real price is about=20 500 or 600 euros because microsoft hopes to obtain the money from games. You get a 3 PowerPC CPU's each 3.2 Ghz!!!! As much as two athlon64 best=20 servers in CPU power. You will soon be able to install linux on it, and php/apache.. and you=20 are not forced to buy the games... wow, microsoft is begining to help=20 open proects finaly! http://www.free60.org/wiki/Main_Page (i don't know about the bus speed, but i am sure is high) From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 20 18:15:31 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Eoqhf-0003tk-Ez for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:15:31 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eoqhd-0003qo-GL for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:15:29 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eoqha-0003n4-HH for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:15:28 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eoqha-0003mZ-2U for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:15:26 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Eoqkm-0002XE-5Z for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:18:44 -0500 Received: from [62.48.111.45] (helo=[192.168.1.10]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EoqgY-0002m2-Ji for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:14:22 +0100 Message-ID: <43A88FFE.4080607@ysagoon.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:13:02 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051102 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <43A797FD.7080503@randomvoids.com> In-Reply-To: <43A797FD.7080503@randomvoids.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] desync, howto help X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:15:29 -0000 Kyle Lutze wrote: > World desynchronisation at executeUStep 4167. > WHY THE HELL DOES IT ALWAYS DO THAT! This problem can be related to many things. First of all, be sure you use the *exact* same version of glob2 on all computers. Then, is this still happen, then it's a bug. If this does happen, please send up all of these files from *all* computers playing: glob2.world-desynchronization.dump.txt ChecksumUnits.log ChecksumBuildings.log Checksum.log And a saved game if possible. (AutoSave.game) And the way each computer got glob2 installed. (for instance: "self-compiled CVS" or "debian package"). And options. (for instance "with "-O2" optimisation flags, or "debian sarge".) Then which username each computer did use. Without at least full logs of 2 computers, we *cannot* find out anything. These desync bug are especially tough to debug, they don't occur easily to us, because we use the same compiler and same OS. So every piece of information can help. Thank you for any help! Nuage From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 20 21:02:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EotJN-00046w-5e for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:02:37 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EotJL-00046m-KM for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:02:35 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EotJI-00046Q-56 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:02:35 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EotJI-00046K-25 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:02:32 -0500 Received: from [64.233.184.197] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EotMV-000370-Ih for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:05:51 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i31so36745wra for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:01:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KwI75d0MV5Z7QMoNlQZQU9nHvNpBSqCjpA19MlLLQJjYW/OHUv7cL0DyDTDqqwtfjsyFcwLzhDswcZBsnwU6elzYxF6BYPYDedtmZS4i+lpH7xonYYmQf5Fg6HJDuWUCjfXkGW5cTyZriXmUfDEyPophK3Vp2SCRc5YZVN7h/eg= Received: by 10.65.121.8 with SMTP id y8mr126854qbm; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:01:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.145.1 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:01:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:01:32 -0500 From: Christopher Covington To: Globulation2 development mailing list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [glob2-devel] Compile trouble X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:02:35 -0000 SSByZWNlbnRseSBzdWJtaXR0ZWQgYSByZXF1ZXN0IG9uIGdlbnRvbydzIGJ1Z3ppbGxhIHRvIGJ1 bXAgZ2xvYjIgdG8KdmVyc2lvbiAwLjguMTcgYW5kIGluY2x1ZGVkIGFuIGVidWlsZCB0aGF0IHdh cyB0aGUgZXhhY3Qgc2FtZSBhcyB0aGUKb2xkIG9uZSBleGNlcHQgdGhhdCBpdCByZWZsZWN0ZWQg dGhlIHVybCBjaGFuZ2VzLiAoTm93IEkga25vdyBpdApzaG91bGQgaGF2ZSBqdXN0IGJlZW4gYSBk aWZmIGJ1dCBzbyBpdCBnb2VzLikgU29tZW9uZSBjYW5ub3QgZW1lcmdlCnRoaXMgZ2xvYjIgdmVy c2lvbiAodGhpcyB2ZXJzaW9uIGhhcyBub3QgaGl0IHBvcnRhZ2UgeWV0LCBidXQtLWEgbm90ZQpm b3IgYW55b25lIHVuZmFtaWxpYXIgd2l0aCBnZW50b28tLW9uZSBpcyBhYmxlIHRvIHVzZSBhIGxv Y2FsIHBvcnRhZ2UKb3ZlcmxheSB0aGF0IGhhcyB3aGF0ZXZlciBlYnVpbGRzIHlvdSB3YW50IGlu IGl0KS4gSWYgYW55b25lIGNvdWxkCmhlbHAgb3V0IHdpdGggdGhlIGlzc3VlLCB0aGF0IHdvdWxk IGJlIGF3ZXNvbWUuIEZ1bGwgZGV0YWlscyBhcmUgYXQKaHR0cDovL2J1Z3MuZ2VudG9vLm9yZy9z aG93X2J1Zy5jZ2k/aWQ9MTE1MjMxLgoKQ2hlZXJzIQpDaHJpcwo= From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 21 00:06:59 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EowBm-0001vg-RA for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:06:58 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EowBk-0001tL-Jv for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:06:56 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EowBi-0001rr-S0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:06:56 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EowBh-0001rl-E1 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:06:54 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EowEw-0005dD-Bo for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:10:14 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EowAe-0002aI-5l for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:05:48 -0600 Message-ID: <43A8E2AE.3080509@randomvoids.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:05:50 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] CCC References: <200512202316.08705.nct@ysagoon.com> <43A87F26.7020008@fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: <43A87F26.7020008@fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:06:57 -0000 MOA3333 wrote: > I won't go sory, but i have a great aidea! Do you want a strong server > to host wikipedia or whatever? Anyway wikimedia neads... > > The Microfot XBOX360 costs only 300 euros but the real price is about > 500 or 600 euros because microsoft hopes to obtain the money from games. > > You get a 3 PowerPC CPU's each 3.2 Ghz!!!! As much as two athlon64 best > servers in CPU power. > > You will soon be able to install linux on it, and php/apache.. and you > are not forced to buy the games... wow, microsoft is begining to help > open proects finaly! > that's funny. I'll now forget to laugh at the dead horse being kicked again... (if you're serious, remind me to kick your ass later :) Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 21 07:17:21 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep2iY-0002LS-B5 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:05:16 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep2Uj-0001bz-Fk for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:51:01 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep1su-0000Ci-G9 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:11:57 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep1nA-0008Ja-Cz for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:05:56 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Ep1qR-0000RL-SM for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:09:20 -0500 Received: from [62.48.111.45] (helo=[192.168.1.30]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Ep1m9-0001si-5u for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:04:53 +0100 Message-ID: <43A93707.6040208@ysagoon.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:05:43 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051107 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Compile trouble References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:04:55 -0000 I have gentoo, I am using CVS without trouble. I read the bug page. I don't know anything about auto-tools, but I can't see what is the problem, sorry. I have libsdl-1.2.8-r1. Christopher, you have gentoo and you have it working, right ? NCT any idea what we can try? Nuage Christopher Covington wrote: > I recently submitted a request on gentoo's bugzilla to bump glob2 to > version 0.8.17 and included an ebuild that was the exact same as the > old one except that it reflected the url changes. (Now I know it > should have just been a diff but so it goes.) Someone cannot emerge > this glob2 version (this version has not hit portage yet, but--a note > for anyone unfamiliar with gentoo--one is able to use a local portage > overlay that has whatever ebuilds you want in it). If anyone could > help out with the issue, that would be awesome. Full details are at > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115231. > > Cheers! > Chris > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 21 09:17:22 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep4mO-0005Zm-BI for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:17:20 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep4k5-0004n6-JO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:14:58 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep4k1-0004kW-13 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:14:54 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep4jy-0004jH-C7 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:14:50 -0500 Received: from [129.194.9.198] (helo=mike.unige.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ep4nH-0002oQ-AE for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:18:15 -0500 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mike.unige.ch by mike.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) id <0IRU00I01Q2XSR@mike.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:11:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from eig.unige.ch (eig.unige.ch [129.194.184.2]) by mike.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) with ESMTP id <0IRU00GHVQ2X37@mike.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:11:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.4.5] ([129.194.185.167]) by EIG.UNIGE.CH (PMDF V5.2-32 #37940) with ESMTP id <01LWTWOGREWY9FNELF@EIG.UNIGE.CH> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:19:18 +0200 (MET-DST) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:05:35 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Compile trouble In-reply-to: <43A93707.6040208@ysagoon.com> To: Globulation2 development mailing list Message-id: <43A9612F.2060908@ysagoon.com> X-Envelope-from: nct@ysagoon.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) References: <43A93707.6040208@ysagoon.com> X-Comment: This message was scanned against viruses by mike.unige.ch. X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:17:18 -0000 > NCT any idea what we can try? no sorry Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 21 14:58:31 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpA6Z-0006n4-Pl for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:58:31 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpA6X-0006mn-37 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:58:29 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpA6U-0006li-Td for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:58:28 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpA6U-0006lb-Q0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:58:26 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpA9q-0006Uw-8z for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:01:54 -0500 Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051221195724.XZYJ21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:57:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051221195724.XASY1068.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:57:24 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1EpA8e-3MD-00 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:00:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:00:40 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] desync, howto help Message-ID: <20051221200040.GA12492@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <43A797FD.7080503@randomvoids.com> <43A88FFE.4080607@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43A88FFE.4080607@ysagoon.com> X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:58:29 -0000 I've written up a page about how to make good bug reports: http://www.globulation2.org/wiki/Bug_Reports I would really like to shrink the technical part of this page (OS, autosave game, etc.) down into "zip ~/.glob2/logs and send it". Therefore, how about we make the following changes: * Whatever information we can get about the current OS should be printed in `glob2 -version`. * on start-up, the text that would otherwise be printed in `glob2 -version` should be saved as ~/.glob2/logs/version.log * When an autosave game is created, it should be copied to ~/.glob2/logs I think I can do the first two myself, but I don't know enough about the autosave system to do the others. As for the bug mentioned above, Leo and I reported it as bug #15206, but didn't respond to Stephane's follow-up, so I guess this is partly my fault. It's been widely reported as a problem between the released versions of 0.8.17 on different OSes, but I'll double-check the version information before confirming it on Savannah. - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 22 01:37:03 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpK4V-0006b4-0H for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:37:03 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpK4U-0006ar-1B for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:37:02 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpK4S-0006a9-5y for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:37:01 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpK4R-0006a4-V3 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:37:00 -0500 Received: from [64.233.162.205] (helo=zproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpK3W-0000TN-D3 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:36:02 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n29so442510nzf for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:35:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=a915p9FFctlfXsxKqG6MkNOuHADaxxR+a1Lmd//528DlcpP26p64kPdhCBPxVlE4tMAQTrXYmjLvd+d4QcV95wDMdxSziz4pimFLtHD+HzUMVmnrAgHDHFOymKaf/5YD34B5Q3Ndwd/O0pc31kBomwiHaALB4f9/8MSfRz6KzKE= Received: by 10.64.181.12 with SMTP id d12mr868963qbf; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:35:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.156.2 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:35:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:35:55 -0800 From: Bradley Arsenault To: Globulation2 development mailing list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [glob2-devel] Random Map Generator Noy Producing Enough Resources X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 06:37:02 -0000 I've been looking at the random map generator, it produces very nice maps when the ratios turned to 0 and its set to maximum smoothing. But there is one exception: It doesn't place resources well. I've been trying to pluck through the code and see if I could get it to place more resources and in more variety of places, but i'm unsure where in MapGenerator.cpp the resources are actually placed. So just to ask nuage about how I should go about this task. From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 22 07:02:28 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpP8O-00039l-1C for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:01:24 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpP7G-0002eH-3L for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:00:14 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpOxe-00005n-GM for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 06:50:19 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpOoh-0006m2-4F for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 06:41:03 -0500 Received: from [64.233.162.199] (helo=zproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpOno-0001A7-0F for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 06:40:08 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r28so374013nza for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:39:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MZBQcgq+RwYMtpquMXrw8SZv/Fe/SXiN3wMURsE+up2VFszrWfIVZ7aWYQI2+NlO9Z+tOy/dTdpQFJDKScTH/popWRsydiECjtwsnHsAEiKYohw5DQCHuPkAuTpK5iFlx8K1idy5125l6L1anialohUU52IMdTV3fjyfiRB4aVo= Received: by 10.36.129.6 with SMTP id b6mr356032nzd; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:39:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.115.1 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:39:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:39:59 +0100 From: Martin Voelkle To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Free software forbiden in France In-Reply-To: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:01:21 -0000 > =3D Free software forbiden in France =3D > > Message from FSF France, for urgent distribution: > > Because pressure from music and film industry, the french gouvernement > wants to forbid free software before christmas. Music industry is ready > "to sue free software authors who will continue to release their source > code", saying that "if they do not give up, they are going to be forced > into changing the licence". > > For more information, wisit Free Software Foundation France (1) > > This folows the closure of Grokster (2) software comany in the US. > > > > (1) http://www.fsffrance.org/news/article2005-11-25.fr.html > (2) http://www.grokster.com/ Looks like people in the parliament reacted: http://www.afp.com/francais/news/stories/051222105018.kpdfp9kf.html Martin From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 22 08:10:10 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpQCg-0002Vb-Pp for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:09:55 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpQC9-00022U-Ak for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:09:21 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpQC3-0001uv-2C for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:09:19 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpQC0-0001tL-B7 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:09:14 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EpQB7-0003o0-OX for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:08:18 -0500 Received: from [195.190.188.128] (helo=[192.168.1.30]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EpQAv-00015Y-1Z for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:08:05 +0100 Message-ID: <43AAA569.3090101@ysagoon.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:08:57 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051107 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Random Map Generator Noy Producing Enough Resources References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:09:52 -0000 That's true, the ressources are badly placed, and I did not worked on it really. Then it's a good idea to fix it. The files are: MapGenerationDescriptor.cpp MapGenerationDescriptor.h MapGenerator.cpp The process is roughly like this: 1-create a random map, but only the ground: water, sand or grass. 2-find a place for each team 3-put a 9x9 square of each ressources near each team. The current main method where the ressources are added is into MapGenerator.cpp, line 778 now: void Map::addRessourcesRandomMap(MapGenerationDescriptor &descriptor) So what I would suggest is that you change this addRessourcesRandomMap() method until you'r happy. Have fun! Nuage Bradley Arsenault wrote: > I've been looking at the random map generator, it produces very nice > maps when the ratios turned to 0 and its set to maximum smoothing. But > there is one exception: It doesn't place resources well. I've been > trying to pluck through the code and see if I could get it to place > more resources and in more variety of places, but i'm unsure where in > MapGenerator.cpp the resources are actually placed. > > So just to ask nuage about how I should go about this task. > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 22 09:51:49 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpRkh-0003Cv-17 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:49:07 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpRfe-0001gt-Ny for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:43:55 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpRfa-0001fF-3g for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:43:51 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpRfY-0001ew-AM for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:43:48 -0500 Received: from [64.233.184.203] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpReg-0001UY-Io for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:42:54 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so355847wri for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 06:42:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tkayDyCfR61Kg6a9EXPRPVRVVdMZs+vtMqWyI/OkOCdTVONFnRGYtIVaRenviwbdZk8v/qJb/S6qgESWbOP8MUn2ruH4t3qwXsYHFKuVT8JRWsJoFkBLrQ3mBb/fLKwjWuc91ny7S4vJZ7nGTzBYytppaL0wYyy/Ol0xzRS0tVk= Received: by 10.65.177.14 with SMTP id e14mr279569qbp; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 06:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.145.1 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 06:42:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:42:44 -0500 From: Christopher Covington To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Compile trouble In-Reply-To: <43A93707.6040208@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:13:40 -0000 ...add your name here : https://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/wiki/Globulation_2 Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 22 11:17:54 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpT8b-0000XD-V9 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:17:54 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpT8a-0000Ue-Dv for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:17:52 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpT8Y-0000Rt-1B for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:17:51 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpT8V-0000RD-R4 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:17:49 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpT7e-0003Pp-J9 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:16:54 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Dec 2005 16:16:38 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-68-24.mnet-online.de (EHLO [82.135.68.24]) [82.135.68.24] by mail.gmx.net (mp015) with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 17:16:38 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <43AAD175.6090707@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:16:53 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Random Map Generator Noy Producing Enough Resources References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:17:53 -0000 thoughts on random maps: i once played around with perlin noise. i guess that's very suitable for map-generation. 1st generate a hightmap of 8bit or even 16bit values instead of starting with 1bit like it is now. 2nd do a coarse histogram of the used values to find out, wich values would correspond to water, coastline and grass (maybe interactively, so the percentages are adjusted when the hightmap is already generated) 3rd place ressources everywhere near water and let them grow a bit. This should result in very natural looking maps Bradley Arsenault wrote: > I've been looking at the random map generator, it produces very nice > maps when the ratios turned to 0 and its set to maximum smoothing. But > there is one exception: It doesn't place resources well. I've been > trying to pluck through the code and see if I could get it to place > more resources and in more variety of places, but i'm unsure where in > MapGenerator.cpp the resources are actually placed. > > So just to ask nuage about how I should go about this task. > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > -- Dipl.-Math. Univ. Leo Wandersleb Kolumbusstr.2 81543 München Tel.: 0179-7748888 From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 22 12:22:03 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpU8g-0000Ig-DN for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:22:02 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpU8Y-0000GZ-Ha for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:21:55 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpU8V-0000F2-Fs for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:21:53 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpU8T-0000EF-ON for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:21:50 -0500 Received: from [128.178.2.14] (helo=smtp1.epfl.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpU7a-0005Ac-Hv for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:20:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 17205 invoked by uid 107); 22 Dec 2005 17:20:39 -0000 Received: from mailav2.epfl.ch (128.178.50.191) by smtp1.epfl.ch with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 17:20:39 -0000 Received: from (128.178.50.133) by MAILAV2.epfl.ch via smtp id 2abb_45e408e2_730f_11da_8464_00114337c797; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:20:39 +0100 Received: from liapc32.epfl.ch (128.178.155.105) by smtp2.epfl.ch (AngelmatoPhylax SMTP proxy); Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:20:39 +0100 From: Emmanuel Eckard Organization: EPFL LIA To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Free software forbiden in France Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:23:21 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> <200512221622.56779.nct@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <200512221622.56779.nct@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512221823.21916.emmanuel.eckard@epfl.ch> X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:21:55 -0000 Beware: 1) the modification of the law will very probably get shot down later 2) the situtation is not quite as clear as Stephane puts it. Some important= =20 personalities of the PS were favourable to the law while one of the=20 staunchest opponents, and a very firm ally on the subject now, was none oth= er=20 than Christine Boutin ! (if someone had told me that I would be agreed with= =20 her on something one day, I would have believed that it would have involved= =20 heavy brain surgery on one of us at least). On Thursday 22 December 2005 16:22, St=E9phane Magnenat wrote: > Thanks to the Socialist Party ;-) (the rest of the left and the > center helped too, thanks also) > > Steph =2D-=20 Emmanuel Eckard Ing=E9nieur Physicien de l'=C9cole Polytechnique de Lausanne Laboratoire d'Intelligence Artificielle, EPFL LIA/IC 1014 Ecublens, Suisse +41 21 693 66 97 From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 22 12:40:13 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpUQH-0004NZ-Ih for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:40:13 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpUQF-0004Mm-TQ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:40:11 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpUQE-0004MG-Bd for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:40:11 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpUQE-0004MA-3U for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:40:10 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpUPN-0000xV-Hh for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:39:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1788C93B71 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:39:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00914-04 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:39:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B035A93B63 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:39:03 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Random Map Generator Noy Producing Enough Resources Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:39:04 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <43AAD175.6090707@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <43AAD175.6090707@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512221839.04501.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:40:12 -0000 On Thursday 22 December 2005 17:16, Leo Wandersleb wrote: > thoughts on random maps: > i once played around with perlin noise. i guess that's very > suitable for map-generation. > > 1st generate a hightmap of 8bit or even 16bit values instead > of starting with 1bit like it is now. > > 2nd do a coarse histogram of the used values to find out, > wich values would correspond to water, coastline and grass > (maybe interactively, so the percentages are adjusted when > the hightmap is already generated) > > 3rd place ressources everywhere near water and let them grow > a bit. > > This should result in very natural looking maps I agree, are you willing to test ? :-) Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 22 13:38:58 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVL8-0002Yj-Cc for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:38:58 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVL7-0002YR-HC for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:38:57 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVL6-0002Y4-MM for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:38:57 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVL6-0002Xw-GM for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:38:56 -0500 Received: from [64.233.184.199] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpVKG-0006Rg-Hh for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:38:04 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i4so411956wra for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:37:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q/Z27qHvcp3nOikdXVL2KpYXa6LyzinX7+OU8PEAAJF7i7uP/iw4NhdFhRtOe3BP7OduNFc0JQuoKk4LVmT3HVULIKN8UIiQO/Rorub7glfFqgBFT/wXdOX6NvvgzaCerv2qxyxC9A/v6dklbRPPsnI6C6aa6EJ5Fk4dQ12teCs= Received: by 10.64.199.7 with SMTP id w7mr1199377qbf; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.156.2 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:37:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:37:51 -0800 From: Bradley Arsenault To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Random Map Generator Noy Producing Enough Resources In-Reply-To: <43AAA569.3090101@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43AAA569.3090101@ysagoon.com> X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:38:57 -0000 I was thinking about having it go over every square, adding a resource based on a random chance of how far it is away from water, and how many neighboring resources it has. This should naturally put resources in clumps around water. On 12/22/05, Nuage wrote: > That's true, the ressources are badly placed, and I did not worked on it = really. > Then it's a good idea to fix it. > > The files are: > MapGenerationDescriptor.cpp > MapGenerationDescriptor.h > MapGenerator.cpp > > The process is roughly like this: > 1-create a random map, but only the ground: water, sand or grass. > 2-find a place for each team > 3-put a 9x9 square of each ressources near each team. > > The current main method where the ressources are added is into MapGenerat= or.cpp, > line 778 now: > void Map::addRessourcesRandomMap(MapGenerationDescriptor &descriptor) > > So what I would suggest is that you change this addRessourcesRandomMap() = method > until you'r happy. > > Have fun! > > Nuage > > > Bradley Arsenault wrote: > > I've been looking at the random map generator, it produces very nice > > maps when the ratios turned to 0 and its set to maximum smoothing. But > > there is one exception: It doesn't place resources well. I've been > > trying to pluck through the code and see if I could get it to place > > more resources and in more variety of places, but i'm unsure where in > > MapGenerator.cpp the resources are actually placed. > > > > So just to ask nuage about how I should go about this task. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > glob2-devel mailing list > > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 22 13:44:27 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVQO-00049U-UD for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:44:27 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVQN-00047l-6A for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:44:23 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVQK-00044d-OF for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:44:22 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVQK-00044G-I5 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:44:20 -0500 Received: from [82.227.147.206] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpVPU-0007oZ-HY for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:43:28 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963C54A9F1D for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:43:15 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <200512221823.21916.emmanuel.eckard@epfl.ch> References: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> <200512221622.56779.nct@ysagoon.com> <200512221823.21916.emmanuel.eckard@epfl.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <9b2bca7164072d578f82ae47c6390548@free.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: A little wood elfe Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Free software forbiden in France Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:43:14 +0100 To: Globulation2 development mailing list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:44:23 -0000 Le 22 d=E9c. 05, =E0 18:23, Emmanuel Eckard a =E9crit : > Beware: > 1) the modification of the law will very probably get shot down later Well, even if the actual modification of the law, which concern = the=20 P2P, are shot down, the most important thing for the free software is=20 that some modifications for interoperability are now proposed by the=20 UMP itself and thus have better chances to stay. > 2) the situtation is not quite as clear as Stephane puts it. Some=20 > important > personalities of the PS were favourable to the law while one of the > staunchest opponents, and a very firm ally on the subject now, was=20 > none other > than Christine Boutin ! (if someone had told me that I would be agreed=20= > with > her on something one day, I would have believed that it would have=20 > involved > heavy brain surgery on one of us at least). Yes, I have quite the same feeling. @+ A little wood elfe= From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 22 13:57:29 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVd3-0002Lb-4h for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:57:29 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVd1-0002LL-LK for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:57:27 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVcz-0002L8-0C for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:57:27 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVcy-0002L5-QG for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:57:24 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpVc8-0002HS-P7 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:56:33 -0500 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051222185620.DHKK8609.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:56:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051222185620.LOJA29634.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:56:20 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1EpVfD-1qP-00 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:59:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:59:43 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Random Map Generator Noy Producing Enough Resources Message-ID: <20051222185943.GA7043@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:57:27 -0000 I had a go at clearing up the map generation code for the map rewrite, although I've never really tested it. I only ever managed to get a vague understanding of the high level issues in the code, but it's a bit more compact so you might find it a bit easier to read. - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 22 14:25:22 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpW41-0003Um-Qh for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:25:21 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpW40-0003Tm-F9 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:25:20 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpW3y-0003SF-Hs for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:25:19 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpW3y-0003S7-DH for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:25:18 -0500 Received: from [64.233.184.204] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpW38-000839-Pt for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:24:26 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so422546wra for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:24:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CJbNk+H0gaQAoarJh9xEHVfgfW7qLqtdSDdhaOdwx8o5PiQ9MviANXGFvnvQ1R00LTgIhPRnmOBf2dwRNnEhAI9yPSzjQ8hywfLWBEwlm4p8J8l9dZYMUSqVDmuWMHdBWFcaH4+yB5DXr9G0HKXTa2FSTw7C6ZKZfdM91/kRg3w= Received: by 10.64.209.19 with SMTP id h19mr415030qbg; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.156.2 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:24:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:24:14 -0800 From: Bradley Arsenault To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Random Map Generator Noy Producing Enough Resources In-Reply-To: <20051222185943.GA7043@nautilus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051222185943.GA7043@nautilus> X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:25:20 -0000 On 12/22/05, Andrew Sayers wrote: > I had a go at clearing up the map generation code for the map rewrite, > although I've never really tested it. I only ever managed to get a > vague understanding of the high level issues in the code, but it's a bit > more compact so you might find it a bit easier to read. > > - Andrew > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 22 14:28:39 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpW7D-0004qD-KA for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:28:39 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpW7C-0004pX-An for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:28:38 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpW7A-0004o0-Oh for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:28:37 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpW7A-0004nx-LQ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:28:36 -0500 Received: from [64.233.184.198] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpW6L-0000P4-40 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:27:45 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so427891wri for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:27:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Qt0HZcZ95oPqJVUF/6MkXAKuzfltp6kEpWOPaIvENENGFYwdK1ReqNFhoYWg/2Vzxx7QKVYO+1RucsCg+QbHsrYv6HNwCbWpX6v40CFqMU1U3g7kg9mgy1hZP+xG8ctBkGqwWFf/nn4bVwzod2vn6X5RJuRsTYVJ/ki1btquGfo= Received: by 10.64.203.5 with SMTP id a5mr417040qbg; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:27:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.156.2 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:27:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:27:30 -0800 From: Bradley Arsenault To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Random Map Generator Noy Producing Enough Resources In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051222185943.GA7043@nautilus> X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:28:38 -0000 I guess my dream for random maps in globulation 2 is to implement themes, rather than just realistic looking shapes. In age of mythology, for example, you would play on a set of random map scripts which would generate their random map based on a set of constraints. The various maps would be themed, you ould have things liek gold rush, highland, king of the hill, water way, islands, etc. I was figuring this was possible in the language we embedded when I talked about using the embedded language for random map generation. A constraint based random map generation would allow map makers he ability to make a map, but also, each time its played, it would be somewhat different. From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 22 15:13:07 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpWoF-0007k0-Bl for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:13:07 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpWoD-0007js-T6 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:13:05 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpWoC-0007jg-Dx for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:13:05 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpWoC-0007jd-9y for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:13:04 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpWnM-0001kf-Sj for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:12:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A9893B71 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:11:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01519-03 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:11:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6AC93B63 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:11:56 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Free software forbiden in France Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:11:57 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <4396094E.2040009@fastmail.fm> <200512221622.56779.nct@ysagoon.com> <200512221823.21916.emmanuel.eckard@epfl.ch> In-Reply-To: <200512221823.21916.emmanuel.eckard@epfl.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512222111.57359.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:13:06 -0000 You killed my troll. May it rest in pieces... Deep deep in the Forest of Silence lies a troll's grave, on which those small words are written: "Here lies a troll whose name was written in water" Bye the way, motivated by a sudden inspiration boost, I've written some lyrics in French for a glob2's song. I'm sure you don't want to hear them. I've also a vague idea for melody. I don't know which is worst ;-) Have a nice day, Only one work day left ! :-) Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 22 22:38:18 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Epdl4-0003te-0X for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:38:18 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Epdl2-0003t8-P1 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:38:16 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Epdl0-0003sY-SO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:38:16 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Epdl0-0003sO-7z for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:38:14 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpdkD-0003Tg-VD for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:37:26 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Dec 2005 03:37:08 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-68-24.mnet-online.de (EHLO [82.135.68.24]) [82.135.68.24] by mail.gmx.net (mp029) with SMTP; 23 Dec 2005 04:37:08 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <43AB70FA.1090307@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 04:37:30 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Random Map Generator Noy Producing Enough Resources References: <43AAD175.6090707@gmx.de> <200512221839.04501.nct@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <200512221839.04501.nct@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 03:38:17 -0000 on the way. so far i have an undermap but something wrong happens afterwards. will continue debugin later (4:30 :( ) Leo Wandersleb Stéphane Magnenat wrote: > On Thursday 22 December 2005 17:16, Leo Wandersleb wrote: > >>thoughts on random maps: >>i once played around with perlin noise. i guess that's very >>suitable for map-generation. >> >>1st generate a hightmap of 8bit or even 16bit values instead >>of starting with 1bit like it is now. >> >>2nd do a coarse histogram of the used values to find out, >>wich values would correspond to water, coastline and grass >>(maybe interactively, so the percentages are adjusted when >>the hightmap is already generated) >> >>3rd place ressources everywhere near water and let them grow >>a bit. >> >>This should result in very natural looking maps > > > I agree, are you willing to test ? :-) > > Steph > From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 23 07:08:28 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpliS-0005bA-2o for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:08:08 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eplgw-0005KR-0B for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:06:34 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Epkfa-0001Il-Fg for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:01:08 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpkSQ-0008LM-HL for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:47:31 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpkRh-0006CO-Lj for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:46:45 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Dec 2005 10:46:24 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-76-99.mnet-online.de (EHLO [82.135.76.99]) [82.135.76.99] by mail.gmx.net (mp033) with SMTP; 23 Dec 2005 11:46:24 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <43ABD596.6040402@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:46:46 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: [glob2-devel] who's doing mapgeneration? X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:07:59 -0000 Hi List for those interested in mapgeneration i'd like to present how far i got by now. Please see http://home.mnet-online.de/LeoWandersleb/maps.png as an example of maps with varieing smoothing and proportions. main problem about my algo so far is that it is not torodial so far. The Algo: use perlin-noise to generate a (8bit so far but due to be adjusted as proportions can not be maintained very well with hundreds of tiles at the same level) heightmap. count height values. set them to be water/sand/grass accordingly. this algo is fine to have tiny islands as well as big islands with both rough or smooth coastlines as the basefrequency and the octaves are adjustably independently. i have ideas on makeing my algo torodial by superposeing heightmaps that fade in and out to fit the rectangle as needed. Greetings, Leo From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 23 07:46:16 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpmJL-0000YK-Ev for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:46:15 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpmJI-0000Y0-HV for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:46:12 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpmJH-0000Xl-F8 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:46:12 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpmJG-0000Xe-Oo for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:46:10 -0500 Received: from [129.194.9.198] (helo=mike.unige.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpmIY-0005pK-Gs for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:45:26 -0500 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mike.unige.ch by mike.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) id <0IRY00K01BF29P@mike.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:45:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from eig.unige.ch (eig.unige.ch [129.194.184.2]) by mike.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) with ESMTP id <0IRY00IJ7BF2J4@mike.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:45:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.4.5] ([129.194.185.167]) by EIG.UNIGE.CH (PMDF V5.2-32 #37940) with ESMTP id <01LWWM92Q3W69FNL6A@EIG.UNIGE.CH> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:52:56 +0200 (MET-DST) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:46:08 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Message-id: <43ABF190.5050001@ysagoon.com> X-Envelope-from: nct@ysagoon.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Comment: This message was scanned against viruses by mike.unige.ch. Subject: [glob2-devel] Blender 2.40 => Introduction cinematic X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:46:13 -0000 Hi, Blender (www.blender.org) has released the long awaited version 2.40 I take this as the occasion to suggest again the idea of an introduction cinematic. I think that perhaps we can make 3d models of buildings and then paint them using textures and toon shading so that they look like the ones in the game. Some preliminary blender work are available here: * blender globules (the ones used in game now): ftp://ftp.ysagoon.com/artworks/globules.tar.gz * there was some buildings in blender, but I can't find them again I would also be interested in trying to make a music for such a video. I've an idea of storyboard I should extend, but here the overall direction: * In a quite fantastic looking forest, everything is calm, wind is slightly blowing. * Then a repetitive but light sound arrives and get louder and louder: a globule is coming * The globule is then harvesting a tree, turning back and bringing it with her (globules are all females didn't you know ?). To transport the tree, she is launching it, exchanging legs, then holding the tree back. * The globule follows a way, exiting the forest, passing near a wheat field. Another globule joins her. Music get a second voice. * Both globules are walking in a sand area. In the far, the great sea, some seewheats and aquatic globules. In the sky, some explorers make large circles. Wind is blowing a bit stronger. * The globules are then turning right, going up on a hill. At the top of the hill, we see a defense tower and a piece of wall. The music is getting more and more constructed. * Then, at the top of the hill, the globules go down to glob city, where a lot of activities take place. The music is getting really symphonic (well, sort of). Then all the globule move to special positions so that the word Globulation 2 is made by their position. What do you think ? Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 23 08:44:34 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpnDl-0006x3-59 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:44:33 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpnDi-0006vm-Tk for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:44:31 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpnDg-0006uz-MO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:44:30 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpnDg-0006ui-99 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:44:28 -0500 Received: from [129.194.9.228] (helo=romeo.unige.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpnCy-0004LG-TP for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:43:45 -0500 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.romeo.unige.ch by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) id <0IRY00701E48Q8@romeo.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:43:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from eig.unige.ch (eig.unige.ch [129.194.184.2]) by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) with ESMTP id <0IRY0058BE487R@romeo.unige.ch> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:43:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from [192.168.4.5] ([129.194.185.167]) by EIG.UNIGE.CH (PMDF V5.2-32 #37940) with ESMTP id <01LWWOAD6WT09FNLUH@EIG.UNIGE.CH> for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:51:14 +0200 (MET-DST) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:44:27 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] who's doing mapgeneration? In-reply-to: <43ABD596.6040402@gmx.de> To: Globulation2 development mailing list Message-id: <43ABFF3B.4020106@ysagoon.com> X-Envelope-from: nct@ysagoon.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) References: <43ABD596.6040402@gmx.de> X-Comment: This message was scanned against viruses by romeo.unige.ch. X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:44:31 -0000 Hi, Very nice maps. > i have ideas on makeing my algo torodial by superposeing heightmaps that > fade in and out to fit the rectangle as needed. If you use wrap-safe accessors for all your operations, any noise-based map should be toroidal? Perhaps I missed some key thing. Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 23 10:32:41 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EpouO-0005Yq-J9 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:32:40 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpouK-0005XJ-PK for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:32:37 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EpouH-0005WU-VO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:32:35 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpouH-0005WQ-HI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:32:33 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Epota-0008MG-Qd for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:31:51 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Dec 2005 15:31:26 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-76-99.mnet-online.de (EHLO [82.135.76.99]) [82.135.76.99] by mail.gmx.net (mp032) with SMTP; 23 Dec 2005 16:31:26 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <43AC1867.2010509@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:31:51 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] who's doing mapgeneration? References: <43ABD596.6040402@gmx.de> <43ABFF3B.4020106@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43ABFF3B.4020106@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:32:38 -0000 i made them torodial. u can find some examples here: http://home.mnet-online.de/LeoWandersleb/examplemaps.tar.gz randomtweaked.map is the first test with varieing smoothnes on one map. > If you use wrap-safe accessors for all your operations, any noise-based > map should be toroidal? Perhaps I missed some key thing. thing is, this is no uncorrelated noise that's smoothed afterwards. i have a noisefunktion that looks like that: float pn.noise(float, float) once initialized it always returns the same value for the same coordinates. all changed/added files attached here as i will not comit them. perhaps someone knows what causes randommapgeneration to fail and bring one back to the new-map screen without any message? greetings, leo From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 23 13:26:31 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Eprcd-0003rT-8p for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:26:31 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eprcb-0003qw-LE for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:26:29 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EprcZ-0003qA-Or for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:26:29 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EprcZ-0003q5-JJ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:26:27 -0500 Received: from [64.233.184.192] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eprbu-000529-DE for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:25:46 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so607718wri for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:25:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sBPZYeFQBnCVwJeoQYwCzKKc3gmpCqiClX+4RjHdNc8DlQ/6lqyfZaBMb8/eLE1kAKxjUUiKUp5tuSI7Jjsf9JbjGCmRmU6FVbFkeJGKHaVBWGxFZliPxfl4lwiZ11w/3sxGOSYah4YHE/uCEVNh4WecT9aEkxyZC8plCdJVldM= Received: by 10.64.199.7 with SMTP id w7mr1843169qbf; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:25:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.156.2 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:25:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:25:19 -0800 From: Bradley Arsenault To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Blender 2.40 => Introduction cinematic In-Reply-To: <43ABF190.5050001@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43ABF190.5050001@ysagoon.com> X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:26:30 -0000 On 12/23/05, St=E9phane Magnenat wrote: > What do you think ? Well it sounds quite nice actually. I think it needs to have more of the feeling of an actual glob2 game though, for example, her would be my storyline for a glob2 opening cinamatic: - Your overlooking a wheat field, brilliant, majestic, calm - This thing is coming. Whats that thing you wonder? A glob is coming! You only see the glob harvesting a piece of wheat at the edge of the field. - The camera zooms around to the magnicant swarm, (which of coarse will be absolutely huge) - The glob puts the wheat infront of the swarm (where there is a pile of wheat), and suddenly the wheat disseapears (a poof of stars), and out comes a new glob - The camera spins around. Globs are assembling a few inns. The music is still peacefull. - The music gets deeper, the camera runs around and you see a barracks nearly finished. The music gets louder, deeper, bigger drumming, but not climatic - You see the barracks get finished, and a bunch of globs cheer. Some particularly weak looking globs go into the barracks, and they come out again fairly tough looking. - The camera swings ontop of a mountain top where globs are on a tower. The camera overlooks a deep valley. The music is exciting, fast beating, not really deep - Explorers start to fly into the valley - The camera follows the explorers into the valley. I'm not sure how, but at this point you will figure out that your overlooking the enemy - The camera goes over the mountain quickly back to the base. The base is well developed now, there is a swimming pool, barracks, school, racing track, several inns, and many globs working. - In the center of the village, a bunch of the warrior globs begin to gath= er - About 30 of them, big, buff and mean looking (perhaps even with armor!) start to go over the mountain side. The drums in the music are no beating it out, this is the climax. - The globs roll down the mountain side and engage the enemy in combat. - We are winning, the enemies globs are dissapearing. - Our warriors shake buildings (as in literally grab on and shake) untill they fall down. - The enemies base is nearly gone, the music turns to a sort of victory music, and the globs cheer "hip hip horay" sort of - The seen fades away into a well formed glob2 logo From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 23 13:29:17 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EprfJ-0004kr-5y for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:29:17 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EprfI-0004kk-0D for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:29:16 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EprfG-0004kY-JS for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:29:15 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EprfG-0004kU-G7 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:29:14 -0500 Received: from [64.233.162.207] (helo=zproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Epreb-0005ar-9u for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:28:33 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 8so692022nzo for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:28:07 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lTP8n0Ogsq/ZS4XWASoX70oiUgTKisLatU/zvSBYhFBe27c2VModxYQWve5TVvZK9C2Dv5AC5/+Vxbem1v3my/Wncm234pwJo3OvyYfhXmB8RLNsX6dIMwLP/yzSLI0PM6UII8e9dTp9iFSCd4x6UpeovvZ2Hprw6i2Am8N+8ig= Received: by 10.64.21.10 with SMTP id 10mr1013769qbu; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.156.2 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:28:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:28:07 -0800 From: Bradley Arsenault To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Blender 2.40 => Introduction cinematic In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43ABF190.5050001@ysagoon.com> X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:29:16 -0000 I also wonder how hard it would be to turn glob2 into a 3d game if we have the models of all the buildings. Most of the existing engine can remain intact, but the gui could change. Say as something expiremental for 1.2 ? From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 24 02:22:55 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Eq3jy-0004N5-RK for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:22:55 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eq3jt-0004Lm-TE for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:22:50 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eq3jp-0004KT-5a for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:22:47 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eq3jo-0004KE-Pg for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:22:44 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Eq3jF-0007mO-Fw for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:22:09 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Eq3iZ-0005WY-EL for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 01:21:28 -0600 Message-ID: <43ACF6F8.70004@randomvoids.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:21:28 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Blender 2.40 => Introduction cinematic References: <43ABF190.5050001@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:22:51 -0000 Bradley Arsenault wrote: > I also wonder how hard it would be to turn glob2 into a 3d game if we > have the models of all the buildings. Most of the existing engine can > remain intact, but the gui could change. Say as something expiremental > for 1.2 ? Honestly, I love all these ideas, and I would love to implement them, but first I want to see our priorities taken care of. To start (should probably start a new thread on this) what is going to be our highest priority change right now for how we have the backend work? have we decided on gtk++ yet? and how we're going to do map generation, the rewrite, etc? Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 24 07:13:33 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Eq8HE-0000R6-Lg for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:13:32 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eq8H9-0000Ph-Nn for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:13:28 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eq8H5-0000OI-Li for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:13:25 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eq8H3-0000O7-TZ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:13:22 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eq8GW-0005C6-Ju for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:12:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5FD93B67 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:12:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12317-02 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:12:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BCE93B64 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:12:08 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?q?St=C3=A9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Blender 2.40 => Introduction cinematic Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:12:05 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <43ABF190.5050001@ysagoon.com> <43ACF6F8.70004@randomvoids.com> In-Reply-To: <43ACF6F8.70004@randomvoids.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512241312.05750.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:13:30 -0000 > To start (should probably start a new thread on this) what is going to > be our highest priority change right now for how we have the backend > work? have we decided on gtk++ yet? and how we're going to do map > generation, the rewrite, etc? so you've found a way to force me to rewrite Glob2 in Qt ? ;-) I was suggesting new backend in the case we drasticly chance the network model. The critical feature present in modern GUI toolkit is dynamic UI creation and scripting binding. If we do *not* need those features, I don't see why we should switch backend. Libgag works fine and is perfectly able to seemlessly integrate with 3d game rendering in case we want it. We can even let the user chose the mode in case of GL rendering, and keep using 2d in case of software one. But I agree that 3d rendering is far far from being the critical thing to do, as the principal interest of Glob2 is not in state of the art 3d graphics. Merry Christmas, Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 26 11:43:03 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EqvR9-0008Qn-Ee for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:43:03 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EqvR8-0008Qi-LA for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:43:02 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EqvR6-0008PK-IS for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:43:02 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EqvR6-0008P9-Ds for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:43:00 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EqvQw-0007ZM-Vu for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:42:51 -0500 Received: from [62.48.117.212] (helo=[192.168.1.30]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EqvPn-0007vK-Gt for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:41:39 +0100 Message-ID: <43B01C38.5020402@ysagoon.com> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:37:12 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051107 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] Building *Team::findNearestFood(Unit *unit) X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:43:02 -0000 Hello, who did add this comment into Building *Team::findNearestFood(Unit *unit) I don't know where it's wrong, but it is mean to act this way. If you don't turn on food vision, then you can't convert units. Anyone want another behaviour ? Nuage if (!concurency) return NULL;//This is bad, bad, bad. It means that if you have no opponents with Inn View on, //your units CANNOT be converted --- even if an enemy inn is in normal view range. //Later in the code, this turns out to mean that no team can convert any units without //both being your enemy and turning on Inn View. This is inconsistent with the current //documentation and with the meaning of 'inn view'. It's a convenient way to do things, //but should be done away with sometime. From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 26 15:46:13 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EqzET-00011G-Py for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:46:13 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EqzES-00010O-NH for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:46:12 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EqzER-00010C-6d for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:46:12 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EqzER-000109-2T for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:46:11 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EqzEJ-0002Dz-DE for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:46:03 -0500 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051226204452.VEAJ8609.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:44:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051226204452.BPTX13162.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:44:52 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1EqzGl-1jg-00 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:48:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:48:35 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Building *Team::findNearestFood(Unit *unit) Message-ID: <20051226204835.GA6579@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <43B01C38.5020402@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43B01C38.5020402@ysagoon.com> X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:46:12 -0000 This sounds very much like one of Eli's comments. Thinking about it now, the current behaviour is best - if I have turned inn view off, I would be very unhappy to suddenly be asked to deal with an influx of starving new guys because another team caught a glance at my inn. On the other hand, he's right that it's inconsistent with the documentation (which should be changed). It's also technically inconsistent with the term "inn view", but no-one seems to be confused in practice, and the alternatives all seem at least as confusing. - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 26 17:36:10 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Er0ws-0002WC-M0 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:36:10 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Er0wr-0002W7-9C for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:36:09 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Er0wo-0002Vv-Mh for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:36:09 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Er0wo-0002Vs-JX for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:36:06 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Er0wh-0003GK-V8 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:36:00 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Er0vV-0003tP-CA for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:34:45 -0600 Message-ID: <43B07007.80007@randomvoids.com> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:34:47 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Building *Team::findNearestFood(Unit *unit) References: <43B01C38.5020402@ysagoon.com> <20051226204835.GA6579@nautilus> In-Reply-To: <20051226204835.GA6579@nautilus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:36:09 -0000 I still like the idea of having it set at the beginning of the game, so it's either on, or it's off, no middle of the game screw the other person type stuff From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 26 17:58:02 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Er1I1-0003V9-Vh for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:58:02 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Er1I0-0003V4-De for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:58:00 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Er1Hy-0003Ub-Pi for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:58:00 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Er1Hy-0003UY-Mg for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:57:58 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Er1Hs-0006oe-5Z for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:57:52 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Er1Gf-0004dP-RV for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:56:37 -0600 Message-ID: <43B07528.6090503@randomvoids.com> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:56:40 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] jackd support X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:58:00 -0000 how hard would it be to implement this? http://jackit.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/lxr/http/source/example-clients/simple_client.c and just put an option in the settings? From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 26 18:02:23 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Er1MF-0003uZ-Hk for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:02:23 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Er1MD-0003uH-SR for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:02:21 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Er1MA-0003to-79 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:02:21 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Er1MA-0003tl-2c for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:02:18 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Er1M3-0007ND-Fl for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:02:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923B393B76 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:00:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25858-02 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:00:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8AA93B6E for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:00:58 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?q?St=C3=A9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] jackd support Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:00:56 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <43B07528.6090503@randomvoids.com> In-Reply-To: <43B07528.6090503@randomvoids.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512270000.57061.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:02:22 -0000 On Monday 26 December 2005 23:56, Kyle Lutze wrote: > how hard would it be to implement this? > > http://jackit.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/lxr/http/source/example-clients/simpl >e_client.c > > and just put an option in the settings? We are using SDL for sound output. If someone wants jack support, it should be implemented in SDL. Steph -- http://nct.ysagoon.com From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 26 18:06:55 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Er1Qd-0004Xn-2n for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:06:55 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Er1Qb-0004Xi-MN for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:06:53 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Er1QY-0004XU-6Y for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:06:53 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Er1QY-0004XR-4A for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:06:50 -0500 Received: from [64.233.162.203] (helo=zproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Er1QR-00084V-J1 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:06:43 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k1so1364569nzf for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:05:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=agojRss33IIbtWEuKKF/3VZoH+YidE9y58ogyLlDvmFeD9Y/6UhVVCO6WOB0bIPzaRfljQ6jPAjk9ETY/lpJi7n0Q9qbfDnSfMpbOe1Rgu+qkSrxiCUjflgm9EB5xvRgWvN1FagghVYJOCJQyPCu7/YXW4csbUs23Fp7Hu+QC7c= Received: by 10.64.196.3 with SMTP id t3mr1243706qbf; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.156.2 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:05:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:05:32 -0800 From: Bradley Arsenault To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Building *Team::findNearestFood(Unit *unit) In-Reply-To: <20051226204835.GA6579@nautilus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43B01C38.5020402@ysagoon.com> <20051226204835.GA6579@nautilus> X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:06:53 -0000 > On the other hand, he's right that it's inconsistent with the > documentation (which should be changed). It's also technically > inconsistent with the term "inn view", but no-one seems to be confused > in practice, and the alternatives all seem at least as confusing. The term inn view is used to describe two actions, and yes its a bad name. One, it allows enemy units to be converted to your team based on happiness levels. As a counter to that strategy, all of your inns are "viewable" by your enemy. The two are loosly related, your supposed to be able to convert enemy units be exposing them to your inns. I like the behaviour where i am able to control the conversion better than the conversion just happeneing whenever he can see one of my inns. The docs should be updated, the term "Inn View" can be used to describe exposing your inns to enemy units in an attempt to convert them. From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 26 18:53:17 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Er29V-0007fd-Of for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:53:17 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Er29U-0007dy-FT for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:53:16 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Er29S-0007cP-Rz for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:53:16 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Er29S-0007cI-PF for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:53:14 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Er29M-0005zW-K0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:53:08 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Dec 2005 23:51:54 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-78-117.mnet-online.de (EHLO [82.135.78.117]) [82.135.78.117] by mail.gmx.net (mp019) with SMTP; 27 Dec 2005 00:51:54 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <43B0824D.7030005@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:52:45 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: [glob2-devel] German Forum X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:53:16 -0000 Hi Forum admins as I'm the only german who's active with glob2 now, please leave the german channel of the forum ( http://globulation2.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=12 ) to me. And if I'm not given the administrative rights to name it Deutsch rather than German, please change that as well. Greetings, Leo From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 26 20:29:44 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Er3eq-00073V-Oi for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:29:44 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Er3ep-00073O-7a for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:29:43 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Er3en-000739-L9 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:29:42 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Er3en-000736-Id for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:29:41 -0500 Received: from [82.216.130.208] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Er3ei-0002bA-5W for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:29:36 -0500 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 2236C9547D; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:28:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:28:25 +0100 From: Munteanu Alexandru To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] German Forum Message-ID: <20051227012824.GA6526@yahoo.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Munteanu Alexandru , Globulation2 development mailing list References: <43B0824D.7030005@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43B0824D.7030005@gmx.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:29:43 -0000 --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 12:52:45AM +0100, Leo Wandersleb wrote: > Hi Forum admins >=20 > as I'm the only german who's active with glob2 now, please=20 > leave the german channel of the forum ( > http://globulation2.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=3D12 > ) to me. And if I'm not given the administrative rights to=20 > name it Deutsch rather than German, please change that as well. I have renamed it to Deutsch. You have admin rights on that forum. I think it's always better to have more admins even if it's in another language to avoid spam for example. Alex --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDsJi4UgToylQKtsURAqlmAJwIspsSEf1kjwFJbSO6MXfsfDMFFgCgofWI HIkGCcOnS35MiZesCf3r0dQ= =GsI3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+-- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 26 20:38:31 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Er3nK-0001Ds-RI for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:38:30 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Er3nJ-0001DJ-FI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:38:29 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Er3nH-0001Ch-Mg for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:38:28 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Er3nH-0001Ce-Jc for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:38:27 -0500 Received: from [82.216.130.208] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Er3nC-0003td-60 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:38:22 -0500 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1003) id BEE7C954A2; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:37:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:37:11 +0100 From: Munteanu Alexandru To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] German Forum Message-ID: <20051227013711.GB6526@yahoo.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Munteanu Alexandru , Globulation2 development mailing list References: <43B0824D.7030005@gmx.de> <20051227012824.GA6526@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yNb1oOkm5a9FJOVX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051227012824.GA6526@yahoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:38:29 -0000 --yNb1oOkm5a9FJOVX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 02:28:25AM +0100, Munteanu Alexandru wrote: >... > > as I'm the only german who's active with glob2 now, please=20 > > leave the german channel of the forum ( > > http://globulation2.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=3D12 > > ) to me. And if I'm not given the administrative rights to=20 > > name it Deutsch rather than German, please change that as well. >=20 > You have admin rights on that forum. Sorry, I wanted to say that you have moderator rights. I don't know how to give you administrator rights on a single forum.=20 But basically an admin is to rename and remove a entire forum. We only do this when we create the forums. Alex --yNb1oOkm5a9FJOVX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDsJrHUgToylQKtsURAjlJAJ4vP0DSLrQVKdBt6zF0A/Fq9FJuOgCffjLz inSVeW4OisoNHlAXv5G/+TM= =dpEw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yNb1oOkm5a9FJOVX-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 27 13:10:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ErJHR-0001qA-Ml for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:10:37 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErJHP-0001ni-Vf for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:10:36 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErJHO-0001kp-1R for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:10:35 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErJHN-0001kd-Tc for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:10:33 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ErJHP-00030e-TD for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:10:36 -0500 Received: from [62.48.117.212] (helo=[192.168.1.30]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1ErJG1-0005Xq-FM for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:09:09 +0100 Message-ID: <43B18348.4000900@ysagoon.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:09:12 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051107 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] explorers behaviour and conversion behaviour changes X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:10:36 -0000 Hi all, I have made these changes: -The explorers are now trying to explore the oldest unchecked area. As usually, I added some random fancy behaviour, so they don't behave deterministicaly at all. They are meant to explore the cloest area more likely too. -The unit get converted to another team more likely when it really have the food. This make the conversion harder but more fair I think. In the old behaviour you could see some units which would get converted, but won't go to the other team to eat! Actualy this can still happen, but this is incredibley less likely to happen. Please report cons and pros, thank you! Nuage From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 28 10:59:03 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Erdhe-0005EC-OT for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:59:03 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErdhZ-0005Cl-Ai for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:59:00 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErdhU-0005AD-DX for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:58:55 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErdhT-00059j-75 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:58:51 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Erdhe-0008Cc-L0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:59:03 -0500 Received: from [62.48.117.212] (helo=[192.168.1.30]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Erdg4-0007Dv-Jf for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:57:25 +0100 Message-ID: <43B2B5E2.2000802@ysagoon.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:57:22 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051107 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Globule pathfinding References: <1134642722.15261.249852581@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: <1134642722.15261.249852581@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:59:01 -0000 Hello, sorry for super-delay answer. I read your idea. You will like to know that it was almost the same idea that was in glob2 just before the gradient pathfinding system. One of your assumption is that you actualy know where is the target. When you to to a building, this is true, but when you go to a ressource, this is wrong. With this old system allot of time where lost to scan the map to find rare ressources. In map where the Algae was depleted or rare where suddently very slow because every simple globule looking for algae would scan all the map. The second problem was that players where really unhappy when globules took the wrong way, especialy at critical things. So I am sorry, but I won't try to implement this idea. If you want faster game, I need speed stats for all of you, thank you. Nuage MOA3333 wrote: > There are some older emails about this. I will continue my brainstorming > on this subject. In the past emails, i thinked splitting the gradient in > regions is good. It can help with speed, but it is both hard to code and > with problems related to the border betwen regions. > > In order to eliminate this problems, regions should take as much as > possible the shape of obstacles. Folowing this idea, i have found that > the best should be to eliminate completly the gradient algorithm. Each > obstacle is a region, each region is an obstacle. > > The new algorithm if it works, should be able to know a path to any > region/obstacle, not the best, but one that is good enaught. This means > it will at best know the average distance to the target, and it will be > very difficult to know exactly witch building is closer. > > First, the base algorithm: > - identify each obstacle as a region: it must be of a single type > (wood, building, weet, etc) and must be continous, a single piece. > Each case will have a number that is the same as the region, and i > don't know yet if a type representing the region is useful. > - apply an algorithm that will compute all free spaces that are near > each region, at distance 1, then 2, etc, like in the gradient system, > but starting with all the regions at the same time. The idea is that > each free case should belong to a single region, the closest, and not > try to cover the hole map. Finaly the hole map is covered, but each > case with the gradient of a single region > - Other diference from the gradient system, we can keep in each case > other informations, not only how far it is from the building. One > information should be in witch direction the closest region is. This > can be one of the 8 directions (or a more precise direction, like a > range of integers???) > - Other infomration we can keep is witch case of the region is (or was > when the gradient was first computed)) the closest. We can put numbers > on the border of each region this way, and this is important. > > This algorithm is a very human one, and can replace the fact that ants > can see. Actualy, globules can see the obstacles here. The clasical > gradient algorithm thinks that globules should take the closest path by > surfing on a line, taking a line. > > This algorithm thinks that globules should go directly to the building > if they are near the building. If not, the globule must avoid obstacles > and then go to the building. To avoid obstacles, it will travel in a > cercle around each obstacle, even if it is closer to take the corner. > > The globule must be able to do the folowing: > 1 - go straight into the region that is the closest. > 2 - go away from that region into the oposite direction > 3 - go round the obstacle clockwise > 4 - go round the obstacle reverse clockwise > > For example, a travel can be the folowing staps: 3242423242421, or more > general ([3 or 4] 2)* 1 > > The only problem is to decide a list of 3 and 4 to folow on the fly if > possible... > > First way, the stupid one: > - try to find the border of the region that is the closest to the > destination. > - go 3 or 4, depending witch is faster (we cana also consider haw large > the road is) > This will be easy to implement, but it is not sure it will find a good > path, however it will always find a path suposing we do not have a > labyrinth. > > > Seccond way, a better one: > - each region has a few neighbours. How do we know witch is the > neighbour? Simple: when the gradient of two regions touch each other, > then they are neighbours. > - if we put numbers on the border of the region, than every border will > have a neighbour and only one. (some time 2, but we ignore that for > now) > - a graph can be built, each region with his neighours and information > about witch part of the region is closest to that neighbour. > Two regions that touch each other are NOT neighbours, and it is better > to consider a region only by the border that is possible to travel > along, not the regions that are not accesible. > - Now we can apply a simple A* or somethink on this graph. A* starting > from the destination, or even a gradient system on the graph, not on > the map directly. > > > > Optimisation: We consider a region of more than one type. This means > each region will realy be a region surounded by spaces. This will > simplify the problem related to regions that touch each other. This > means the destination will not be a region, but only the border of a > region. Globules will travel ([3 or 4] 2)* [3 or 4 ] 1 > > Optimisation2: We conider a single region all part that are separated by > a single case. Actualy this means globules will not be able to travel > there, but this is a good idea since this will produce congestion. It > is up to the player to make space, especialy if bigger maps are > possible. It will be possible in the future to implement a function (5) > that means traversing a region, not by going round, but by going inside > a thin hole like this. This should be however used carefuly. > Globules will travel (([3 or 4] 5? 2)* 1. And the difficulty will be a > list of 3 and 4, eventualy a 5. > > This is not yet the best, but it is what i have found for now. I hope it > is not too complicated. If you find the idea good, maybe a more simple > solution is possible. Actualy i think the graph will not change that > much, only localy. And the gradient we will be able to regenerate more > localy, ond only once from time to time. > > > > > From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 28 11:19:53 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ere1o-0001tr-Ty for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:19:53 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ere1l-0001tZ-RP for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:19:50 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ere1k-0001tC-Af for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:19:48 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ere1j-0001t4-Bf for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:19:47 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Ere1v-0004ZK-7e for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:19:59 -0500 Received: from [62.48.117.212] (helo=[192.168.1.30]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Ere0L-0008Pn-Ey for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:18:21 +0100 Message-ID: <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:18:25 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051107 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:19:51 -0000 1) Who locked it and why is this thread locked now ? 2) This guy don't like our coding conventions. Why not, but we don't want to change it now. So we keep "myVariable" and will not use "my_variable". 3) His patch compute gradients another way. What is wrong is that it only check for 4 directions instead of 8. So I guess it will help speed, but globule would not be able to walk trough a diagonal tight path. What is bad is that the resources is computed less often. So yes, it's faster, but some units can wait longer. If we add any "hard drop" policy, then it has to be a flag, and dis-activated by default. 4) He suggested some smart optimization in the pre-gradient computation. I knew about it but I where too lazy to do it until now. He provided a patch with other "improvements" (see 3), and his coding way. So I just added it cleanly my own way. He said it would improve about 30% of the speed. I would have expected some good improvement, but... after serious tests I found it to be 0% to 1% slower on my computer. I am really surprised. Did you see any changes on your computer? 5) Some statements he did like "it's memory optimized instead of speed optimized" are ... wrong ? Well which of these two lines is faster: (y << wDec | x) (y*w + x) He says the second is faster, and I don't see why, because I think it's either the same or the first is faster. Can someone explain me why ? Computer never do it the way you expect it.... Nuage Stéphane Magnenat wrote: > On Sunday 18 December 2005 04:34, Bradley Arsenault wrote: > >>There is a person on the forums that has a patch that, as he says, can >>make a great improvement on the gradient calculation speed. > > > It's there: > http://globulation2.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10 > > Nuage, could you have a look plz ? > Your mediawiki account wotks flor forums > > Steph > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 28 13:02:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ErfdF-0004NU-Rw for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:02:37 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErfdD-0004NB-QN for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:02:35 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErfdC-0004Mm-5i for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:02:35 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErfdB-0004Mj-RZ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:02:33 -0500 Received: from [82.216.130.208] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ErfdO-0006Ox-OT for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:02:46 -0500 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 9DBDF6DE25; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:01:09 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:01:09 +0100 From: Munteanu Alexandru To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx Message-ID: <20051228180109.GA6525@yahoo.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Munteanu Alexandru , Globulation2 development mailing list References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:02:36 -0000 --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 05:18:25PM +0100, Nuage wrote: > 1) Who locked it and why is this thread locked now ? I don't know, but I have just unlocked it. Alex --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDstLlUgToylQKtsURApSPAKCQo8ZDFoqlWsPAjSHKh3febU8nRQCfWu9Z 6jnbJsijip5Cxa4omBE9bdc= =LezZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+-- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 28 16:45:41 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Erj77-0002ZV-NT for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:45:41 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Erj75-0002ZC-UZ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:45:40 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Erj73-0002Z0-VL for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:45:39 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Erj73-0002Yx-Qr for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:45:37 -0500 Received: from [128.178.2.14] (helo=smtp1.epfl.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Erj7I-0001Yo-Aw for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:45:52 -0500 Received: (qmail 27167 invoked by uid 107); 28 Dec 2005 21:44:12 -0000 Received: from mailav3.epfl.ch (128.178.2.11) by smtp1.epfl.ch with SMTP; 28 Dec 2005 21:44:12 -0000 Received: from (128.178.50.133) by MAILAV3.epfl.ch via smtp id 2e33_15aab6fe_77eb_11da_86e6_0014221528b0; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:44:12 +0100 Received: from sicdec1.epfl.ch (128.178.50.33) by smtp2.epfl.ch (AngelmatoPhylax SMTP proxy); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:44:12 +0100 Received: from sicdec1.epfl.ch (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sicdec1.epfl.ch (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBSLiCeO021074; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:44:12 +0100 Received: (from apache@localhost) by sicdec1.epfl.ch (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id jBSLiCQJ021073; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:44:12 +0100 Received: from pop-zh-17-2-dialup-137.freesurf.ch (pop-zh-17-2-dialup-137.freesurf.ch [194.230.218.137]) by imapwww.epfl.ch (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:44:12 +0100 Message-ID: <1135806252.43b3072c30176@imapwww.epfl.ch> X-Imap-User: cyrille.dunant@epfl.ch Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:44:12 +0100 From: cyrille.dunant@epfl.ch To: Globulation2 development mailing list , Nuage Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 194.230.218.137 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: Globulation2 development mailing list X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:45:40 -0000 > 5) Some statements he did like "it's memory optimized instead of speed > optimized" are ... wrong ? > Well which of these two lines is faster: > (y << wDec | x) > (y*w + x) > He says the second is faster, and I don't see why, because I think it's > either the same or the first is faster. Can someone explain me why ? > The first one should be faster : less micro-ops in the resulting assembly, I would expect. However, it might very well be that the compiler is better at optimizing the second line... This *might* result in slightly better cache use. But as this is a kind of optimization that is super compiler- and optimization-level- dependant, you might as well do nothing :) > Computer never do it the way you expect it.... Especially not when the compiler tries to be clever. Sometimes, the naive code is better than the optimized, just because the compiler is so much better at optimizing naive code... CU -- CFD PS my message said essentially "beware compilers !" From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 28 18:43:06 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Erkwj-00086A-St for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:43:05 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Erkwi-000865-Ib for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:43:04 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Erkwh-00085n-4h for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:43:04 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Erkwh-00085d-17 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:43:03 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Erkww-0005Lg-DI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:43:18 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Dec 2005 23:41:37 -0000 Received: from adsl-138-41-bs1.datacomm.ch (EHLO [192.168.201.201]) [212.254.138.41] by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 00:41:37 +0100 X-Authenticated: #24160434 Message-ID: <43B32112.40806@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:34:42 +0100 From: simon schuler User-Agent: Mail/News 1.4 (X11/20050914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:43:04 -0000 Nuage wrote: > 3) His patch compute gradients another way. > What is wrong is that it only check for 4 directions instead of 8. So I guess it > will help speed, but globule would not be able to walk trough a diagonal tight path. > This leads me to an interesting idea about the gradient computations. In updateGradientSmall you don't always have to add every neighbour of a square into the listedAddr list. If you process a square and for example the squares on the upper left and the lower left aren't obstacles you can just update the square on the left, without having to add it into the list. Every square which could be reached from there can also be reached from one of the other two squares. I wrote a quick hack against 0.8.15 (later releases didn't compile on my machine and cvs has some strange gradient computation). It always computes the gradient in the old and my new way and then compares the results. The two gradients were always exactly the same and the gprof results are quite impressive: on the map WaterInTheDesert: % self time seconds calls name 12.79 7.16 1961 Map::updateGlobalGradientSmallOld(unsigned char*) 8.11 4.54 1961 Map::updateGlobalGradientSmall(unsigned char*) on the map migration: 10.25 4.86 1786 Map::updateGlobalGradientSmallOld(unsigned char*) 7.74 3.67 1786 Map::updateGlobalGradientSmall(unsigned char*) If you're interested, I'll clean up my quick hack and write a patch tomorrow. Simon From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 28 20:14:48 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ErmNU-0001ha-4e for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:14:48 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErmNS-0001hU-V5 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:14:47 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErmNR-0001hI-BQ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:14:46 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErmNR-0001hF-6x for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:14:45 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ErmNh-0002S1-90 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:15:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B020E93B76 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:13:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06151-04 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:13:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FDF93B65 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:13:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from 84.190.70.60 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:13:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <62005.84.190.70.60.1135818797.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43B32112.40806@gmx.net> References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> <43B32112.40806@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:13:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx From: nct@ysagoon.com To: "Globulation2 development mailing list" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:14:47 -0000 Hi, > on the map WaterInTheDesert: > % self > time seconds calls name > 12.79 7.16 1961 Map::updateGlobalGradientSmallOld(unsigned char*= ) > 8.11 4.54 1961 Map::updateGlobalGradientSmall(unsigned char*) > > on the map migration: > 10.25 4.86 1786 Map::updateGlobalGradientSmallOld(unsigned char*= ) > 7.74 3.67 1786 Map::updateGlobalGradientSmall(unsigned char*) Very interested, but could you also try to first compute using your algorithm then using the old one? Indeed, there is a high probability the speed difference is partially due to the gradient already being cached by updateGlobalGradientSmallOld (thus the slowness) when updateGlobalGradientSmall is called (thus the fastness). Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 28 20:55:41 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ern12-0006GB-KS for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:55:40 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ern10-0006Dx-4V for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:55:38 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ern0x-0006BT-SE for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:55:37 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ern0x-0006BG-NA for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:55:35 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Ern1E-0000Vf-7G for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:55:52 -0500 Received: from [62.48.117.212] (helo=[192.168.1.30]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1ErmzW-0005rK-Q5 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:54:07 +0100 Message-ID: <43B341BE.10307@ysagoon.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:54:06 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051107 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] I will make gradients up to 270% slower X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:55:38 -0000 No no, I am joking, I hope you where affraid... he he he he I did try another optimisation and here are the results: (All this has been compiled with "-march=pentium3 -O3") -On a 128x128 active map, runing for 60s, I got a cpu median use going down from 30% to 23%, that is a +30% relative speed improvement. (see the plot at the end of the e-mail) -On a 256x256 not really active map, runing for 185s, I got a cpu median use staying at 30%. The average time is about 2% faster anyway, that is a +6% relative speed improvement. Can you notice any change ? Nuage before cpu usage graph: 100.0 % | * 98.5 % | 95.0 % | 93.5 % | 90.0 % | 88.5 % | 85.0 % | 83.5 % | 80.0 % | 78.5 % | 75.0 % | 73.5 % | 70.0 % | 68.5 % | 65.0 % | 63.5 % | 60.0 % | 58.5 % | 55.0 % | 53.5 % | 50.0 % | 48.5 % | 45.0 % | 43.5 % | * 40.0 % | * 38.5 % | ** 35.0 % | ***** 33.5 % | ************** 30.0 % | *************************** 28.5 % | **************** 25.0 % | ************** 23.5 % | **************** 20.0 % | *** 18.5 % | 15.0 % | 13.5 % | 10.0 % | 8.5 % | 5.0 % | 3.5 % | 0.0 % | after cpu usage graph: 100.0 % | * 98.5 % | 95.0 % | 93.5 % | 90.0 % | 88.5 % | 85.0 % | 83.5 % | 80.0 % | 78.5 % | 75.0 % | 73.5 % | 70.0 % | 68.5 % | 65.0 % | 63.5 % | 60.0 % | 58.5 % | 55.0 % | 53.5 % | 50.0 % | 48.5 % | 45.0 % | 43.5 % | 40.0 % | 38.5 % | 35.0 % | * 33.5 % | ** 30.0 % | * 28.5 % | ********* 25.0 % | *********************************** 23.5 % | ******************************************* 20.0 % | ******** 18.5 % | 15.0 % | 13.5 % | 10.0 % | 8.5 % | 5.0 % | 3.5 % | 0.0 % | From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 28 22:50:54 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ErooY-0001ey-FG for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:50:54 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErooX-0001dz-9i for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:50:53 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErooV-0001cR-6G for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:50:52 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErooV-0001cL-19 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:50:51 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Eroom-0001l1-6F for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:51:08 -0500 Received: from [62.48.117.212] (helo=[192.168.1.30]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Eron2-0001Iw-KT for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 04:49:20 +0100 Message-ID: <43B35CC6.7020408@ysagoon.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 04:49:26 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051107 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] My thoughts on the new gamplay for alpha 15 References: <1121017414.10277.238140946@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: <1121017414.10277.238140946@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:50:53 -0000 > Change in defense towers: > I like how they are weaker and the walls are cheaper. BUT, Their shells > don't do near enough damage. The wimpy-Ness of the shells is awful. It > makes it impossible to guard anything with only defense towers. I > suggest that the shells be made more affective. This is done, now the towers are damn effective. It's meant to be 100% accuracy, but for some computation speed things, it's about 99%. I did change the way a tower choose its target too. There where some bugs. I did not really fine tuned it, but it's quite good. Now the towers tends to shoot on the most damaged units too, how mean :) Nuage From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 00:18:10 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ErqB0-0002fc-4e for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:18:10 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErqAn-0002aa-5t for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:17:57 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErqAe-0002VW-8V for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:17:52 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErqAd-0002VN-Rc for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:17:47 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ErqAv-0006QZ-Cg for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:18:05 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153]) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Erq9C-0006Ze-1y for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:16:18 -0600 Message-ID: <43B37122.10002@randomvoids.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:16:18 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] My thoughts on the new gamplay for alpha 15 References: <1121017414.10277.238140946@webmail.messagingengine.com> <43B35CC6.7020408@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43B35CC6.7020408@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 05:18:01 -0000 Nuage wrote: >>Change in defense towers: >>I like how they are weaker and the walls are cheaper. BUT, Their shells >>don't do near enough damage. The wimpy-Ness of the shells is awful. It >>makes it impossible to guard anything with only defense towers. I >>suggest that the shells be made more affective. > > > This is done, now the towers are damn effective. It's meant to be 100% accuracy, > but for some computation speed things, it's about 99%. > > I did change the way a tower choose its target too. There where some bugs. I did > not really fine tuned it, but it's quite good. Now the towers tends to shoot on > the most damaged units too, how mean :) > > Nuage > It should only shoot at a unit until it's too injured to fight. Damn that would be evil :D but yes, it should pick on the hurt guys before the fresh guys From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 02:26:09 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsAq-0004Tn-Ed for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:26:08 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsAl-0004Sb-UY for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:26:04 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsAh-0004RO-Ao for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:26:03 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsAf-0004Qs-5w for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:25:57 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ErsAy-0008VN-88 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:26:16 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Ers9A-0000Qz-VM for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:24:25 -0600 Message-ID: <43B38F2B.7030300@randomvoids.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:24:27 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> <20051228180109.GA6525@yahoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <20051228180109.GA6525@yahoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:26:06 -0000 Munteanu Alexandru wrote: > On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 05:18:25PM +0100, Nuage wrote: > >>1) Who locked it and why is this thread locked now ? > > > I don't know, but I have just unlocked it. > > Alex > It was supposed to be locked against future posting since nct wanted all dev stuff to be exclusive to bugzilla and mailing list If nobody objects, I'll relock everything except for that thread (until it dies) Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 02:30:26 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsEz-0005J8-DG for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:30:25 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsEv-0005Iz-Bx for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:30:21 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsEt-0005Ib-4m for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:30:20 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsEs-0005IT-2Z for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:30:18 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ErsFA-0000iB-Ur for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:30:37 -0500 Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051229072852.LGLZ21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:28:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051229072852.VJBT1068.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:28:52 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1ErsHI-5WZ-00 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:32:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:32:48 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] My thoughts on the new gamplay for alpha 15 Message-ID: <20051229073248.GA21181@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <1121017414.10277.238140946@webmail.messagingengine.com> <43B35CC6.7020408@ysagoon.com> <43B37122.10002@randomvoids.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43B37122.10002@randomvoids.com> X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:30:22 -0000 I agree that towers should go for the most damaged troops first, but they certainly shouldn't spare those that are too injured to fight - if you let your opponents' globs flee, they'll just go into a hospital and come back again. If you destroy them, your opponent has to spend a long time producing and training a new warrior. - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 02:32:29 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsGz-00068Q-Bk for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:32:29 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsGx-00068L-IA for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:32:27 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsGv-000680-Ak for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:32:26 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsGv-00067x-0p for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:32:25 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ErsHE-00014m-0B for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:32:44 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1ErsFO-0001mh-NY for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:30:52 -0600 Message-ID: <43B390A6.6040908@randomvoids.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:30:46 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] somebody with php knowledge, please help with forums X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:32:27 -0000 I've been trying to get this to work, but so far it's failed - I want to have it so when somebody replies to you in the forum, or sends you a private message it will tell you who replied, and what they said. so, in receipt of a private message it should be somebody like: Subject: PERSON sent you a private message Body: on globulation2.org/forums PERSON sent you a private message ------------ privmsg body ------------ Do not reply to this, this is atuomated message, etc, etc This would be awesome, but the PERSON part won't fill in :( More information on the mod is in the mods thread in the forums (must be a mod to read it) otherwise, just contact me and I can give you access Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 02:33:10 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsHd-0006Rd-La for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:33:09 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsHb-0006Pn-AL for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:33:07 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsHa-0006OO-BI for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:33:06 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsHa-0006OA-0w for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:33:06 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ErsHs-0001Cz-QU for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:33:25 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153]) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1ErsG2-0001n9-Vj for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:31:32 -0600 Message-ID: <43B390D2.5030001@randomvoids.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:31:30 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] My thoughts on the new gamplay for alpha 15 References: <1121017414.10277.238140946@webmail.messagingengine.com> <43B35CC6.7020408@ysagoon.com> <43B37122.10002@randomvoids.com> <20051229073248.GA21181@nautilus> In-Reply-To: <20051229073248.GA21181@nautilus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:33:07 -0000 Andrew Sayers wrote: > I agree that towers should go for the most damaged troops first, but > they certainly shouldn't spare those that are too injured to fight - if > you let your opponents' globs flee, they'll just go into a hospital and > come back again. If you destroy them, your opponent has to spend a long > time producing and training a new warrior. > good point, kill them all! :P From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 02:36:25 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsKm-0007LT-I0 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:36:25 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsKj-0007LK-V3 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:36:22 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsKf-0007L2-1y for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:36:21 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsKe-0007Kx-Le for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:36:16 -0500 Received: from [82.216.130.208] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ErsKx-0001go-N0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:36:35 -0500 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 94D44B72F7; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:38:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:38:53 +0100 From: Munteanu Alexandru To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx Message-ID: <20051229073853.GB6525@yahoo.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Munteanu Alexandru , Globulation2 development mailing list References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> <20051228180109.GA6525@yahoo.fr> <43B38F2B.7030300@randomvoids.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yNb1oOkm5a9FJOVX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43B38F2B.7030300@randomvoids.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:36:22 -0000 --yNb1oOkm5a9FJOVX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 11:24:27PM -0800, Kyle Lutze wrote: > Munteanu Alexandru wrote: > >On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 05:18:25PM +0100, Nuage wrote: > > > >>1) Who locked it and why is this thread locked now ? > > > > > >I don't know, but I have just unlocked it. > > > >Alex > > >=20 > It was supposed to be locked against future posting since nct wanted all= =20 > dev stuff to be exclusive to bugzilla and mailing list >=20 > If nobody objects, I'll relock everything except for that thread (until= =20 > it dies) >=20 > Kyle Ok Alex --yNb1oOkm5a9FJOVX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDs5KNUgToylQKtsURAnPjAJ9anWPAVLuasRPILOVEMeZTpNplnQCfY31R vLTmed53Ckm4qDjURoQv5Gc= =hx9r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yNb1oOkm5a9FJOVX-- From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 02:39:16 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsNX-0007cc-CU for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:39:16 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsNT-0007by-N3 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:39:12 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsNR-0007bU-Hs for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:39:11 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsNQ-0007bH-6Z for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:39:08 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ErsNj-0002Ah-9P for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:39:27 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153]) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1ErsLy-0003Yl-UV for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:37:39 -0600 Message-ID: <43B39244.7000804@randomvoids.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:37:40 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] don't die on desync X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:39:12 -0000 how hard would it be to make it so it disconnects the two people, and says "Disconnected due to desync" or something like that instead of just dying? That would make the game be so much smoother. Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 03:00:28 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ersi3-0004d1-JW for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:00:27 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ershz-0004cl-CG for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:00:23 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ershy-0004cV-35 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:00:22 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ershx-0004cP-6J for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:00:21 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ErsiG-0005dE-97 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:00:40 -0500 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051229075855.LPXX21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:58:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051229075855.VEJA774.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:58:55 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1ErskO-5tI-00 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:02:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:02:52 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org Message-ID: <20051229080252.GA22571@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: [glob2-devel] Development Cycle X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:00:24 -0000 Are we still aiming to get a 1.0 version of Glob2 released as soon as possible, or are we now looking to have an extended development period on the current codebase? Since Nuage has returned, development of the current codebase seems to have increased significantly - that's not necessarily a bad thing, but (for example) there's no point in me trying to move code over to the map rewrite when I'm porting from a moving target. Stephane and Nuage - if you want a 1.0 version in the near future, what sort of roadmap are you looking at, and when will we have a feature freeze? I'm sorry to nag, but if we're going to develop Glob2 in bazaar mode, you need to be a lot more transparent and accessible about things. In particular, it would be very helpful if you could get into the habit of being on IRC whenever you can (e.g. when you're programming). Even if you only check back at the screen every hour or two, it really helps the project along in the long-run. - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 03:15:38 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Erswi-0007ND-IB for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:15:37 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Erswe-0007MT-NA for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:15:33 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Erswb-0007Lw-95 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:15:30 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErswZ-0007Lk-O7 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:15:28 -0500 Received: from [82.216.130.208] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Erswt-0007md-1s for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:15:47 -0500 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 7907DB7312; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:18:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:18:18 +0100 From: Munteanu Alexandru To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] somebody with php knowledge, please help with forums Message-ID: <20051229081818.GC6525@yahoo.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Munteanu Alexandru , Globulation2 development mailing list References: <43B390A6.6040908@randomvoids.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KN5l+BnMqAQyZLvT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43B390A6.6040908@randomvoids.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:15:34 -0000 --KN5l+BnMqAQyZLvT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 11:30:46PM -0800, Kyle Lutze wrote: > I've been trying to get this to work, but so far it's failed - >=20 > I want to have it so when somebody replies to you in the forum, or sends= =20 > you a private message it will tell you who replied, and what they said. >=20 > so, in receipt of a private message it should be somebody like: >=20 > Subject: PERSON sent you a private message > Body: > on globulation2.org/forums PERSON sent you a private message >=20 > ------------ > privmsg body > ------------ >=20 > Do not reply to this, this is atuomated message, etc, etc >=20 >=20 >=20 > This would be awesome, but the PERSON part won't fill in :( >=20 > More information on the mod is in the mods thread in the forums (must be= =20 > a mod to read it) >=20 > otherwise, just contact me and I can give you access >=20 > Kyle fixed. Alex --KN5l+BnMqAQyZLvT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDs5vKUgToylQKtsURAivOAJ9bqjxmJrVwjF2N5XqblG9puFwN5QCggylN 2wEBhEY/bHQdJuj4HLh8aU0= =2dej -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KN5l+BnMqAQyZLvT-- From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 03:16:31 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Ersxa-0007ox-K2 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:16:30 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsxY-0007o7-CQ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:16:28 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsxW-0007nH-UW for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:16:27 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsxW-0007n7-FX for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:16:26 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Ersxp-0007wY-PN for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:16:45 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Ersw4-0004mp-V5 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:14:57 -0600 Message-ID: <43B39B04.4070305@randomvoids.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:15:00 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Development Cycle References: <20051229080252.GA22571@nautilus> In-Reply-To: <20051229080252.GA22571@nautilus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:16:28 -0000 Andrew Sayers wrote: > Are we still aiming to get a 1.0 version of Glob2 released as soon as > possible, or are we now looking to have an extended development period > on the current codebase? Since Nuage has returned, development of the > current codebase seems to have increased significantly - that's not > necessarily a bad thing, but (for example) there's no point in me trying > to move code over to the map rewrite when I'm porting from a moving > target. > I think extended dev time is now necessary, let's get any rewrites we're going to get down out of the way, solidify documentation and coding structures, update wiki and forums, etc. My goal is that before we hit 1.0 we get as many new changes in as possible, and really work on fixing the bugs and speed improvements we have availible right now. > Stephane and Nuage - if you want a 1.0 version in the near future, what > sort of roadmap are you looking at, and when will we have a feature > freeze? I'm sorry to nag, but if we're going to develop Glob2 in bazaar > mode, you need to be a lot more transparent and accessible about things. > In particular, it would be very helpful if you could get into the habit > of being on IRC whenever you can (e.g. when you're programming). Even > if you only check back at the screen every hour or two, it really helps > the project along in the long-run. I agree, whenever you are making changes please stop into the channel and ask around as many people are working on the same stuff, and it doesn't work well with half of the devs unavailable for comment. Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 08:58:05 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EryI6-0003QY-5H for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:58:02 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EryHp-0003FS-2l for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:57:45 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EryH3-0002sF-4p for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:56:59 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EryAx-0001Bd-O0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:50:43 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EryBJ-00062i-A6 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:51:01 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Dec 2005 13:49:14 -0000 Received: from adsl-138-41-bs1.datacomm.ch (EHLO [192.168.201.201]) [212.254.138.41] by mail.gmx.net (mp030) with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 14:49:14 +0100 X-Authenticated: #24160434 Message-ID: <43B3E7C3.4040706@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:42:27 +0100 From: simon schuler User-Agent: Mail/News 1.4 (X11/20050914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> <43B32112.40806@gmx.net> <62005.84.190.70.60.1135818797.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <62005.84.190.70.60.1135818797.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010204030505060400020006" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:57:59 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010204030505060400020006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi nct@ysagoon.com wrote: > Very interested, but could you also try to first compute using your > algorithm then using the old one? Indeed, there is a high probability the > speed difference is partially due to the gradient already being cached by > updateGlobalGradientSmallOld (thus the slowness) when > updateGlobalGradientSmall is called (thus the fastness). > I tested it both ways and it's almost the same result. I've made a patch against 0.8.17. It's attached. note: i have only compile-tested it with 0.8.17 because I can't compile the whole release. But on 0.8.15 it worked perfectly. I hope it doesn't interfere with nuage's new optimization... 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Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Dec 2005 14:12:13 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-13-136.mnet-online.de (EHLO [82.135.13.136]) [82.135.13.136] by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 15:12:13 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <43B3EF08.7090800@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:13:28 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Development Cycle References: <20051229080252.GA22571@nautilus> In-Reply-To: <20051229080252.GA22571@nautilus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:13:46 -0000 if next thing we do is 1.0 there are still features to be brought in. please think of 'only' 40 people willing to play via yog with the interface as is. *games don't tell you who hostes them *games still appear double (do they?) *no password on games (the wrong people will keep joining) *how does it look with 10 open games? 20? 100? *market needs to be removed although i think this teamwise stock idea would perfectly fit in (new feature). *these time-to-time-desyncs cry for a feature like "vote on who's local version to continue to play" instead of going down and manualy rehost ... I would vote for a .18 if win-lin is solved as it looks poor to tell people to please use .15 if win-lin is a problem. I could provide a random map generator for 0.18 (give me 3 days so i can fit it in parrallel to the existing one and add some parameters.) Someone did a mapgenerator that grew ressources instead of placing rectangular fields. Could he please provide me with his function or commit this function? Greetings, Leo Wandersleb Andrew Sayers wrote: > Are we still aiming to get a 1.0 version of Glob2 released as soon as > possible, or are we now looking to have an extended development period > on the current codebase? Since Nuage has returned, development of the > current codebase seems to have increased significantly - that's not > necessarily a bad thing, but (for example) there's no point in me trying > to move code over to the map rewrite when I'm porting from a moving > target. > > Stephane and Nuage - if you want a 1.0 version in the near future, what > sort of roadmap are you looking at, and when will we have a feature > freeze? I'm sorry to nag, but if we're going to develop Glob2 in bazaar > mode, you need to be a lot more transparent and accessible about things. > In particular, it would be very helpful if you could get into the habit > of being on IRC whenever you can (e.g. when you're programming). Even > if you only check back at the screen every hour or two, it really helps > the project along in the long-run. > > - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 09:30:39 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Erynd-0005HR-Vx for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:30:38 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErynZ-0005Gy-6I for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:30:33 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ErynX-0005GT-IU for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:30:32 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErynV-0005GK-VS for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:30:30 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Erynr-0004bo-UR for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:30:52 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Dec 2005 14:29:03 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-13-136.mnet-online.de (EHLO [82.135.13.136]) [82.135.13.136] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 29 Dec 2005 15:29:03 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <43B3F2FA.2090300@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:30:18 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] My thoughts on the new gamplay for alpha 15 References: <1121017414.10277.238140946@webmail.messagingengine.com> <43B35CC6.7020408@ysagoon.com> <43B37122.10002@randomvoids.com> <20051229073248.GA21181@nautilus> In-Reply-To: <20051229073248.GA21181@nautilus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:30:34 -0000 think of small passages, 40 warriors heading for your base. now you pray for your turrets not to shoot at thos cowards that try to flee against those onrushing masses. play joey mission 6 and you know what i meen. 4 turrets shoot the first to 1%. now on the 2nd shot they all decide to shoot him again. what a waste of bullets. but in most other cases it is better to kill than to hurt. Andrew Sayers wrote: > I agree that towers should go for the most damaged troops first, but > they certainly shouldn't spare those that are too injured to fight - if > you let your opponents' globs flee, they'll just go into a hospital and > come back again. If you destroy them, your opponent has to spend a long > time producing and training a new warrior. > > - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 11:32:44 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Es0hn-0006cs-3S for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:32:43 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es0hj-0006be-0V for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:32:39 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es0hf-0006aq-TU for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:32:38 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es0he-0006ai-JQ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:32:35 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Es0i1-0006qN-Jy for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:32:57 -0500 Received: from [62.48.117.212] (helo=[192.168.1.30]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Es0gB-0001KW-8w for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:31:03 +0100 Message-ID: <43B40F47.3020503@ysagoon.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:31:03 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051107 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Development Cycle References: <20051229080252.GA22571@nautilus> In-Reply-To: <20051229080252.GA22571@nautilus> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:32:40 -0000 You are right, I am *sorry* that I made changes why you'r working on cleaning the code in a branche!! Anyway, I am really not supposed to work on glob2 now, I have damn other work to do... So now I stop changing the code, and let you the time to make the map rewrite. What I did where almost only quick fixes. Can you write somewhere what changes we can make while you clean and rewrite things ? For instance are you doing anything with Yog and the network ? Nuage Andrew Sayers wrote: > Are we still aiming to get a 1.0 version of Glob2 released as soon as > possible, or are we now looking to have an extended development period > on the current codebase? Since Nuage has returned, development of the > current codebase seems to have increased significantly - that's not > necessarily a bad thing, but (for example) there's no point in me trying > to move code over to the map rewrite when I'm porting from a moving > target. > > Stephane and Nuage - if you want a 1.0 version in the near future, what > sort of roadmap are you looking at, and when will we have a feature > freeze? I'm sorry to nag, but if we're going to develop Glob2 in bazaar > mode, you need to be a lot more transparent and accessible about things. > In particular, it would be very helpful if you could get into the habit > of being on IRC whenever you can (e.g. when you're programming). Even > if you only check back at the screen every hour or two, it really helps > the project along in the long-run. > > - Andrew > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 11:48:38 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Es0xB-0001x3-TY for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:48:38 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es0x9-0001wd-Mw for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:48:35 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es0x7-0001w5-Oy for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:48:35 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es0x7-0001w1-GC for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:48:33 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Es0xU-0001cg-He for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:48:56 -0500 Received: from [62.48.117.212] (helo=[192.168.1.30]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Es0vh-0001yn-05 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:47:05 +0100 Message-ID: <43B4130E.5010004@ysagoon.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:47:10 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051107 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <1121017414.10277.238140946@webmail.messagingengine.com> <43B35CC6.7020408@ysagoon.com> <43B37122.10002@randomvoids.com> <20051229073248.GA21181@nautilus> <43B3F2FA.2090300@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <43B3F2FA.2090300@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] towers changes X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:48:36 -0000 I changed the code again (last change for at time). Now it's tuned this way: 0- don't shoot if you can miss the target, wait instead. 1- shoot on the most dangerous warrior, computed by the damage per second. 2- shoot much more likely if the warrior can be killed in one shot. <---he he he 3- shoot much more likely if the warrior is hitting the tower. 4- shoot more likely on a closer warrior. 5- shoot more likely on a damaged warrior. 6- if there is no warrior, shoot on a worker 7- if there is no worker, shoot on a building Secondly, I did try to address one request stating that towers are not able to defend anything by themselves. After some tougths I found out that the towers have properties that are much too differents from units. So I changes the properties ratio to make them closer of units. Like 5 wheat is needed to builds the 250 hp of an unit, that is 50 hp per ressource, the first tower get 40 hp per ressource. As a result one tower level 1 is more like 4 warriors level 1, or 3 warriors level 2. I made some practical systhetic tests on a special map to balance the value, and one game to try it. I think it's ok but it's quite a big change and I need your comments on the overall gameplay changes. Nuage From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 11:55:44 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Es140-0004b1-OT for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:55:41 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es13w-0004a7-Fh for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:55:36 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es13t-0004ZV-Qo for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:55:36 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es13s-0004ZP-VS for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:55:33 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Es14G-0003D4-1x for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:55:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CC593B78 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:54:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11155-04 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:54:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738EE93B6F for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:54:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from 81.163.146.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:54:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <58505.81.163.146.193.1135875243.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43B3E7C3.4040706@gmx.net> References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> <43B32112.40806@gmx.net> <62005.84.190.70.60.1135818797.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> <43B3E7C3.4040706@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:54:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: Nuage plz read (was Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx) From: nct@ysagoon.com To: "Globulation2 development mailing list" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:55:37 -0000 > I tested it both ways and it's almost the same result. > I've made a patch against 0.8.17. It's attached. > note: i have only compile-tested it with 0.8.17 because I can't compile > the whole release. But on 0.8.15 it worked perfectly. > I hope it doesn't interfere with nuage's new optimization... Ok, Nuage, I let you have a look, thanks. Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 12:04:46 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1Co-0007LR-QW for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:04:46 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1Cm-0007Km-Jd for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:04:44 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1BQ-0006zC-Ic for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:03:23 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1BP-0006ye-MC for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:03:20 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Es1Bm-0004uZ-Pu for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:03:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D726F93B78 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:01:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11254-01 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:01:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BD393B6F for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:01:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from 81.163.146.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:01:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41032.81.163.146.193.1135875710.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43B39244.7000804@randomvoids.com> References: <43B39244.7000804@randomvoids.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:01:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] don't die on desync From: nct@ysagoon.com To: "Globulation2 development mailing list" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:04:45 -0000 > how hard would it be to make it so it disconnects the two people, and > says "Disconnected due to desync" or something like that instead of jus= t > dying? That would make the game be so much smoother. It would be quite easy (essentially removing an assert, add some blabla i= n GUI and make sure it works (the GUI blabla may even already be in place))= , *but* as we are still in development phase, it is very important that people notice a desync has occured so that we have the opportunity to fix it. Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 12:10:30 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1IM-0001EI-9M for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:10:30 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1IJ-0001Cq-VE for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:10:28 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1IH-0001Bi-Mr for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:10:27 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1IH-0001Ba-7l for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:10:25 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Es1Ie-0006fC-KX for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:10:48 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Es1Gq-0005bd-RO for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:08:57 -0600 Message-ID: <43B41829.3050105@randomvoids.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:08:57 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] we need to do some big games X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:10:28 -0000 I know everybody is having fun developing and all, but we need to setup a time where 4 or 5 of us get on to play a game. Reason being, in the past that seems to bring out the most bugs. So, who's availible when? My schedule, in PST: M-F 5PM-9PM usually Weekends, 9A-9P Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 12:16:52 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1OV-0003On-MC for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:16:51 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1OU-0003Og-Jm for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:16:50 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1OS-0003OS-P7 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:16:50 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1OS-0003ON-Gg for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:16:48 -0500 Received: from [66.98.198.82] (helo=squall.platinum-hosting.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Es1Oq-00080E-0h for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:17:12 -0500 Received: from ip68-231-211-153.oc.oc.cox.net ([68.231.211.153] ident=appleboy) by squall.platinum-hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Es1N2-0005ni-I2 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:15:20 -0600 Message-ID: <43B419A9.2080105@randomvoids.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:15:21 -0800 From: Kyle Lutze User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Development Cycle References: <20051229080252.GA22571@nautilus> <43B40F47.3020503@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43B40F47.3020503@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - squall.platinum-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - randomvoids.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:16:50 -0000 Nuage wrote: > You are right, I am *sorry* that I made changes why you'r working on cleaning > the code in a branche!! > > Anyway, I am really not supposed to work on glob2 now, I have damn other work to > do... So now I stop changing the code, and let you the time to make the map > rewrite. What I did where almost only quick fixes. > > Can you write somewhere what changes we can make while you clean and rewrite > things ? For instance are you doing anything with Yog and the network ? > > Nuage if you want something to do, PLEASE take a look at the network stack. The metaserver needs to be rewritten with mysql and md5 support so it can interact with the mysql database of forum users, etc. the goal is to have universal logins, Yog is currently the last needed part. talk to nct, he can get you access to dioxide. please come into #glob2-dev to chat about it Kyle From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 12:33:33 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1ef-0007UG-06 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:33:33 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1ed-0007Tp-B8 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:33:31 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1eb-0007TG-OX for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:33:30 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1eb-0007T9-B9 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:33:29 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Es1ey-0003GY-Gu for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:33:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C9F93B78 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:32:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11467-04 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:32:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AC393B6F for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:31:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from 81.163.146.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:32:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <60455.81.163.146.193.1135877520.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43B39B04.4070305@randomvoids.com> References: <20051229080252.GA22571@nautilus> <43B39B04.4070305@randomvoids.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:32:00 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Development Cycle From: nct@ysagoon.com To: "Globulation2 development mailing list" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:33:31 -0000 This question of release is not easy, which explains why it always popup again and again. We have to admit that the 1.0 release will not be perfect, far from there, otherwise there won't be any 1.0 release at all. Nevertheless, I see the 1.0 release as basically the same game, codebase and architecture as today, but with gameplay tuning and fix (such as the changes Nuage did last days) as well as least possible bugs. To clarify my thought, here is a list of things that qualify for 1.0: - yog game display fix - yog auth integration with mediawiki on www.globulation2.org - specific behaviours of units fix - display fix - graphic improvement - market tuning - option changes - bug fix - ... Then here is a list of things that do NOT qualify for 1.0: - change of architecture (network model, graphic backend, yog, ...) - big change of gameplay (adding/removing units, removing any basic buildings, changing basic tech tree, ...) - big display change (3d rendering, ...) So my proposal is to complete the first list of things and release 1.0 as soon as possible, not before we have found and fixed all reasonable known bugs and made tuning, but before any grand rewrite. If we feel the urge o= f grand rewrite, I suggest we really release 1.0 before. Glob2 has been under work for more than 6 years, if we don't release soon but make a rewrite instead, it will be for more years without release. Andrew, I think it's indeed good if you freeze development on map-rewrite and help us in HEAD until release. I totally agree we have to be more transparent and more communicative. The community has to keep in mind that both Nuage and me are quite busy and that is also one of the reason we should not be too optimistic on the number of things we still want up to 1.0 Have a nice day, Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 12:44:43 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1pT-000257-4U for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:44:43 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1pS-00024d-1O for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:44:42 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1pP-00023f-Il for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:44:41 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1pP-00023Y-85 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:44:39 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Es1pm-0005LK-Mj for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:45:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34C093B78 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:43:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11597-01 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:43:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AD593B6F for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:43:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from 81.163.146.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:43:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <57284.81.163.146.193.1135878190.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43B419A9.2080105@randomvoids.com> References: <20051229080252.GA22571@nautilus> <43B40F47.3020503@ysagoon.com> <43B419A9.2080105@randomvoids.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:43:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Development Cycle From: nct@ysagoon.com To: "Globulation2 development mailing list" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:44:42 -0000 > if you want something to do, PLEASE take a look at the network stack. > The metaserver needs to be rewritten with mysql and md5 support so it > can interact with the mysql database of forum users, etc. > > the goal is to have universal logins, Yog is currently the last needed > part. talk to nct, he can get you access to dioxide. I can perhaps help with YOG. Is there a specification of sql tables and command we have to use? If you want to help us make this change, I sugges= t we make a small C++ object, that looks like this: //! Interface to mediawiki user and password class YOGMediaWikiInterface { //! Create a new login, return true on success bool createLogin(const std::string &username, const std::string &password= ); //! Login a user, return true on success bool login(const std::string &username, const std::string &password); //! Logout a user void logout(const std::string &username); }; We can test the implementation of this class using a C++ SQL interface (any C++ SQL guru here?) separately and when it works, it shouldn't be that difficult to implement in YOGserver, I think could manage this if nuage is occupied. Nuage, did I forget anything in the class that is required by YOG? Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 12:50:21 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1uu-0003P7-T0 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:50:20 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1ut-0003Oo-B2 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:50:19 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1ur-0003O1-7G for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:50:19 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es1ur-0003Ny-4l for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:50:17 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Es1vE-0006SF-I6 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:50:41 -0500 Received: from [62.48.117.212] (helo=[192.168.1.30]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Es1tQ-0004EH-Bo for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:48:48 +0100 Message-ID: <43B42185.4050704@ysagoon.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:48:53 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051107 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> <43B32112.40806@gmx.net> <62005.84.190.70.60.1135818797.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> <43B3E7C3.4040706@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <43B3E7C3.4040706@gmx.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:50:19 -0000 Hello, First, I have to say the idea is smart! I am sure we'll get out with something. There are two optimisations since 0.8.17, and the second one would require to test the improvement again. The second optimisation was very simple: move the "if (g > 2)" out of the inner loop, and test "if (g <= 2)" just when you read the gradient. I read your patch. Just one comment: try to use the same variable type naming conventions than localy. Like using "Uint32" here. I did apply your idea on the current code. My problem is that it's not slow enough on my computer to notice anything. I ran a test on an active 128x128 map. Here is the cpu usage graph: (there is nothing above 40% so it's croped) before: 40.0 % | 38.5 % | * 35.0 % | ** 33.5 % | ** 30.0 % | ******* 28.5 % | ************************ 25.0 % | ******************************* 23.5 % | ***************************** 20.0 % | *** 18.5 % | * 15.0 % | 13.5 % | 10.0 % | 8.5 % | 5.0 % | 3.5 % | 0.0 % | after: 40.0 % | 38.5 % | * 35.0 % | * 33.5 % | **** 30.0 % | **** 28.5 % | *************** 25.0 % | *************************** 23.5 % | *************************************** 20.0 % | ***** 18.5 % | * 15.0 % | 13.5 % | 10.0 % | 8.5 % | 5.0 % | 3.5 % | 0.0 % | Maybe it's 2.5% faster. Relatively to the 25% peak, that's 10% faster. On a 256x256 map, I can't see any change (again). Maybe my test case is not active enough. But, to me, that proves that the ressources gradients is more than fast enough. I did try a 512x512 map too without any problem. I will try to find a good 256x256 test case, and tune your optimisation, and then commit it. So, thank you for the idea !!! >From your idea, I did try another one: depending on which direction a gradient is receiving the update, it can be propagated only to 3 or 5 direction, that's only 4 on average. But I couldn't see any improvements. Nuage simon schuler wrote: > Hi > > nct@ysagoon.com wrote: > >> Very interested, but could you also try to first compute using your >> algorithm then using the old one? Indeed, there is a high probability the >> speed difference is partially due to the gradient already being cached by >> updateGlobalGradientSmallOld (thus the slowness) when >> updateGlobalGradientSmall is called (thus the fastness). >> > > I tested it both ways and it's almost the same result. > I've made a patch against 0.8.17. It's attached. > note: i have only compile-tested it with 0.8.17 because I can't compile > the whole release. But on 0.8.15 it worked perfectly. > I hope it doesn't interfere with nuage's new optimization... > > Simon > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 13:29:10 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Es2WT-0004Tx-Pj for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:29:09 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es2WS-0004Tj-2N for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:29:08 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es2WQ-0004TG-I1 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:29:07 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es2WQ-0004TD-FM for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:29:06 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Es2Wo-00060K-D7 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:29:30 -0500 Received: from [62.48.117.212] (helo=[192.168.1.30]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Es2Uy-0005sn-SC for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:27:37 +0100 Message-ID: <43B42A9E.4030007@ysagoon.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:27:42 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051107 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: Nuage plz read (was Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx) References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> <43B32112.40806@gmx.net> <62005.84.190.70.60.1135818797.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> <43B3E7C3.4040706@gmx.net> <58505.81.163.146.193.1135875243.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <58505.81.163.146.193.1135875243.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:29:08 -0000 nct@ysagoon.com wrote: >>I tested it both ways and it's almost the same result. >>I've made a patch against 0.8.17. It's attached. >>note: i have only compile-tested it with 0.8.17 because I can't compile >>the whole release. But on 0.8.15 it worked perfectly. >>I hope it doesn't interfere with nuage's new optimization... > > > Ok, Nuage, I let you have a look, thanks. yes Sir! any other orders ? > > Steph > > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 13:39:30 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Es2gU-0006iP-4o for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:39:30 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es2gT-0006iE-32 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:39:29 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es2gQ-0006hn-SK for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:39:28 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es2gQ-0006hk-Q8 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:39:26 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Es2go-0007zV-Ot for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 13:39:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75A393B78 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:37:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11823-05 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:37:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8729A93B6F for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:37:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from 81.163.146.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:37:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <40255.81.163.146.193.1135881477.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43B42A9E.4030007@ysagoon.com> References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> <43B32112.40806@gmx.net> <62005.84.190.70.60.1135818797.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> <43B3E7C3.4040706@gmx.net> <58505.81.163.146.193.1135875243.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> <43B42A9E.4030007@ysagoon.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:37:57 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Nuage plz read (was Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx) From: nct@ysagoon.com To: "Globulation2 development mailing list" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:39:29 -0000 > yes Sir! any other orders ? lol... battlestar galactica overload? ;-) We tested a game with AppleBoy, and we think that the towers are too expensive. You are not on jabber aren't you? Bye the way, how are you? ;-) Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 14:04:29 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Es34f-0005VV-AD for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:04:29 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es34d-0005Uz-60 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:04:27 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es34Z-0005Ud-Rj for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:04:26 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es34Z-0005UZ-Aj for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:04:23 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Es34x-0004h2-9J for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:04:47 -0500 Received: from [62.48.117.212] (helo=[192.168.1.30]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Es337-0007IA-Q5 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:02:54 +0100 Message-ID: <43B432E2.6070009@ysagoon.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:02:58 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051107 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> <43B32112.40806@gmx.net> <62005.84.190.70.60.1135818797.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> <43B3E7C3.4040706@gmx.net> <43B42185.4050704@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43B42185.4050704@ysagoon.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [glob2-devel] Simon's idea on gradiens X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:04:27 -0000 Hello, I did ran afew more tests on 256x256 maps. To get some measurable improvement, I had to make some variations, but the code is more complex. At the end of the e-mail you can see the result from the latest code, to the best way I found with your idea. You can see a 2.5% improvement. That is a relative 8% improvement. Now, the CVS is using the same code, but I put my working implementation of your idea into comment. When you have a chance to get this code, please run some wide tests to find out the fastest and cleanest way. It's not that I don't want to add your idea now. But it increases the complexitly of the code much, and maybe, another totaly different idea may increase the speed more significalty. So if you either find a simpler way, or a bit faster way, we'll definitively take it. You got the idea ? Nuage before: cpu usage graph: 100.0 % | ** 98.5 % | 95.0 % | 93.5 % | 90.0 % | 88.5 % | 85.0 % | 83.5 % | 80.0 % | 78.5 % | * 75.0 % | 73.5 % | 70.0 % | * 68.5 % | 65.0 % | 63.5 % | * 60.0 % | * 58.5 % | * 55.0 % | ** 53.5 % | *** 50.0 % | *** 48.5 % | ***** 45.0 % | ******* 43.5 % | *************** 40.0 % | *********** 38.5 % | ************ 35.0 % | ************** 33.5 % | ********** 30.0 % | **** 28.5 % | **** 25.0 % | 23.5 % | 20.0 % | 18.5 % | 15.0 % | 13.5 % | 10.0 % | 8.5 % | 5.0 % | 3.5 % | 0.0 % | after: cpu usage graph: 100.0 % | ** 98.5 % | 95.0 % | 93.5 % | 90.0 % | 88.5 % | 85.0 % | 83.5 % | 80.0 % | 78.5 % | 75.0 % | 73.5 % | 70.0 % | * 68.5 % | * 65.0 % | * 63.5 % | 60.0 % | * 58.5 % | * 55.0 % | * 53.5 % | ** 50.0 % | *** 48.5 % | ** 45.0 % | **** 43.5 % | ********* 40.0 % | ************* 38.5 % | ********* 35.0 % | *********** 33.5 % | **************** 30.0 % | ********* 28.5 % | ***** 25.0 % | ******** 23.5 % | 20.0 % | 18.5 % | 15.0 % | 13.5 % | 10.0 % | 8.5 % | 5.0 % | 3.5 % | 0.0 % | From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 14:30:29 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Es3Tp-0005Ge-N9 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:30:29 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es3Tp-0005GZ-36 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:30:29 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es3Tm-0005GJ-RH for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:30:28 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es3Tm-0005GG-P4 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:30:26 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Es3UB-0002Cp-1o for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:30:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F3493B78 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:28:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12146-03 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:28:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A2A93B6F for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:28:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from 81.163.146.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:28:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54520.81.163.146.193.1135884537.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:28:57 +0100 (CET) From: nct@ysagoon.com To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [glob2-devel] File hierarchy X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:30:29 -0000 Hi everyone, In the Great Effort of Transparance (pronounce Glasnost), I've made a pag= e that briefly explains which file/directories are what in glob2 tree: http://globulation2.org/wiki/File_Hierarchy Enjoy, Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 14:35:01 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Es3YD-0006Ls-3q for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:35:01 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es3YB-0006Ld-Jg for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:34:59 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es3YA-0006LQ-3W for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:34:59 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es3YA-0006LN-1Z for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:34:58 -0500 Received: from [62.2.195.66] (helo=coldwar2.swisslink.ch) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Es3YY-0003Hh-CP for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:35:22 -0500 Received: from [62.48.117.212] (helo=[192.168.1.30]) by coldwar2.swisslink.ch with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Es3Wi-0008LA-U6 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:33:29 +0100 Message-ID: <43B43A0D.60907@ysagoon.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:33:33 +0100 From: Nuage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051107 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: Nuage plz read (was Re: [glob2-devel] forums! nuag eplease read thx) References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> <43B32112.40806@gmx.net> <62005.84.190.70.60.1135818797.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> <43B3E7C3.4040706@gmx.net> <58505.81.163.146.193.1135875243.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> <43B42A9E.4030007@ysagoon.com> <40255.81.163.146.193.1135881477.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <40255.81.163.146.193.1135881477.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - coldwar2.swisslink.ch X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ysagoon.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:35:00 -0000 nct@ysagoon.com wrote: >>yes Sir! any other orders ? > > > lol... battlestar galactica overload? ;-) no, orders overloaded > We tested a game with AppleBoy, and we think that the towers are too > expensive. You are not on jabber aren't you? I changed the towers properties again, now the tower level 1 is cheap and almost like the old one. The tower levels 2 and 3 are shifted from the just-old towers levels 1 and 2. This way you can: 1-for cheap, just get a tower level 1, see areas, like before. 2-for more ressources, get a tower level 2 and 3 which can really guard an area by its own. But you need the techo obviously. You like it now ? What about the new aiming system ? > Bye the way, how are you? ;-) stressed, very bye the way, kiki.ysagoon now send me every e-mail twice. bye the way I won't come to any IM now, because I only have time to code, and I really have work to do. 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline This is my present (my 2 =C2=A2) for Globulation 2 development team. =2D-=20 TOOLKOM: Estudio Creativo de Comunicaci=C3=B3n Visual - http://toolkom.com --Boundary-00=_zdItDuH3gxrHoH3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; name="texts.es.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="texts.es.txt" [language] Castellano [language-code] es [language-tr] Idioma [hp] HP [heal] Salud [armor] Armadura [damage] Da=C3=B1o [food] Comida [working] Trabajando [inside] Dentro [ressources] Recursos [Wood] Madera [Corn] Ma=C3=ADz [Papyrus] Papiro [Stone] Piedra [Alga] Alga [Cherry] Cereza [Orange] Naranja [Prune] Pasa [Clearing:] Limpiando: [Min required level:] Nivel m=C3=ADnimo requerido: [Bullets] Balas [range] Rango [destroy] Destruir [cancel destroy] Cancelar destrucci=C3=B3n [wait destroy] Esperar la destrucci=C3=B3n [upgrade] Mejorar [repair] Reparar [cancel upgrade] Cancelar la mejora [cancel repair] Cancelar la reparaci=C3=B3n [units type] tipo de unidad [workers] trabajadores [explorers] exploradores [warriors] guerreros [Unit type] Tipo de unidad [Worker] Trabajador [Explorer] Explorador [Warrior] Guerrero [still (w)] Todav=C3=ADa hay [units working] unidades trabajando [still one unit working] Una unidad a=C3=BAn trabajando [Still (i)] A=C3=BAn [Still one] =46alta una [Building name] Nombre del edificio [swarm building] Enjambre [food building] Taberna [health building] Hospital [walkspeed building] Circuito [swimspeed building] Piscina [attack building] Cuarteles [science building] Escuela [defense building] Torre defensiva [exploration flag] Bandera de exploraci=C3=B3n [war flag] Bandera de guerra [clearing flag] Bandera de clarear [stone wall] Muro de piedra [market] Mercado [forbidden area] =C3=81rea prohibida [guard area] =C3=81rea protegida [clear area] =C3=81rea visible [Building short explanation] Corta explicaci=C3=B3n de los edificios (24 caracteres m=C3=A1ximo) [swarm building explanation] Crea nuevas unidades [food building explanation] Alimenta tus unidades [health building explanation] Cura tus unidades [walkspeed building explanation] Mejora velocidad a la [swimspeed building explanation] Mejora velocidad a la [attack building explanation] Mejora nivel de lucha [science building explanation] Mejora nivel de [defense building explanation] Ataca unidades o [exploration flag explanation] Atrae exploradores [war flag explanation] Atrae guerreros [clearing flag explanation] Permite visualizar y [stone wall explanation] Elemento de defensa [market explanation] Permite intercambios de [Building short explanation 2] Corta explicaci=C3=B3n de los edificios 2 (24 caracteres m=C3=A1ximo) [swarm building explanation 2] =20 [food building explanation 2] =20 [health building explanation 2] =20 [walkspeed building explanation 2] que andan tus unidades [swimspeed building explanation 2] que nadan tus unidades [attack building explanation 2] de tus guerreros [science building explanation 2] edificaci=C3=B3n [defense building explanation 2] edificios cercanos [exploration flag explanation 2] =20 [war flag explanation 2] =20 [clearing flag explanation 2] recolectar recursos [stone wall explanation 2] pasiva [market explanation 2] frutos con otros [waiting for %s] Esperando a %s [%s has left the game] %s a abandonado el juego. [%s has been deconnected of the game] %s se ha desconectado. [load game] Cargar juego [save game] Salvar juego [options] Opciones [alliances] Alianzas [return to game] Volver al juego [quit the game] Salir del juego [ok] Aceptar [Cancel] Cancelar [you have lost] =C2=A1Has perdido! [you have won] =C2=A1Has ganado! [campaign] Campa=C3=B1a [tutorial] Tutorial [custom game] Juego personalizado [yog] Juego en linea con Ysagoon [Enter your nickname :] Introduce tu apodo : [Enter your password :] Introduce tu contrase=C3=B1a : [lan] Juego en LAN [settings] Opciones [Warning, you need to reboot the game for changes to take effect] Aviso, necesitas reiniciar el juego para que los cambios tengan efecto [editor] Editor [credits] Cr=C3=A9ditos [quit] Salir [create game] Crear juego [update list] Actualizar lista [connecting to] Conectando a [connect] Conectado [Disconnect] Desconectado [please wait] Por favor, espere [loading glob2] Cargando Globulation 2 [host] Servir un juego [join a game] Unirse a un juego [join] Unirse [goto main menu] Volver al men=C3=BA principal [player name] Nombre del jugador [svr hostname] Nombre del servidor [hp] Da=C3=B1o [carry] Transporte : [don't carry anything] No transporta nada [level] Nivel [levels] Niveles [building site] sitio de construcci=C3=B3n [create map] Crear un mapa [map size x] Anchura del mapa [map size y] Altura del mapa [default terrain] Terreno por defecto [water] Agua [sand] Arena [grass] Hierba [teams] equipos [choose map] Elegir un mapa [choose game] Elegir un juego [awaiting players] Esperando jugadores [stat] Estadisticas [food left] Comida restante [the building is finished] El edificio est=C3=A1 terminado [the swarm is finished] El enjambre est=C3=A1 terminado [the food building is finished] La taberna est=C3=A1 terminada [the health building is finished] El hospital est=C3=A1 terminado [the walkspeed building is finished] El circuito est=C3=A1 terminado [the swimspeed building is finished] La piscina est=C3=A1 terminada [the attack building is finished] El campo de entrenamiento est=C3=A1 terminado [the science building is finished] La escuela est=C3=A1 terminada [the tower building is finished] La torre de defensa est=C3=A1 terminada [the exploration flag is finished] ?? Bandera de exploraci=C3=B3n terminada ?? [the war flag is finished] ?? Bandera de guerra terminada ?? [the clearing flag is finished] ?? Bandera de aclarado terminada ?? [the stone wall is finished] Una secci=C3=B3n del muro ha sido terminada [the market is finished] Ul mercado est=C3=A1 terminado [the building is under attack] El edificio est=C3=A1 bajo un ataque [the swarm is under attack] El enjambre est=C3=A1 bajo un ataque [the food building is under attack] La taberna est=C3=A1 bajo un ataque [the health building is under attack] El hospital est=C3=A1 bajo un ataque [the walkspeed building is under attack] El circuito est=C3=A1 bajo un ataque [the swimspeed building is under attack] La piscina est=C3=A1 bajo un ataque [the attack building is under attack] El campo de entrenamiento est=C3=A1 bajo un ataque [the science building is under attack] La escuela est=C3=A1 bajo un ataque [the defense building is under attack] Tus defensas est=C3=A1n bajo un ataque [the exploration flag is under attack] ?? La bandera de exploraci=C3=B3n est=C3=A1 bajo un ataque ?? [the war flag is under attack] ?? La bandera de guerra est=C3=A1 bajo un ataque ?? [the clearing flag is under attack] ?? La bandera de clarear est=C3=A1 bajo un ataque ?? [the stone wall is under attack] El enemigo est=C3=A1 ante tus murallas [the market is under attack] El mercado est=C3=A1 bajo un ataque [Your %s are under attack] Tus %s est=C3=A1n bajo un ataque [Your unit got converted to another team] Tu unidad se ha pasado a otro quipo [Another team's unit got converted to your team] Una unidad de otro equipo se ha pasado al tuyo [Uncontrolled] Incontrolado [ai] IA [closed] Cerrado [close] Cerrar [player] Jugador [STARTING GAME ...] Iniciando el juego... [Statistics] Estad=C3=ADsticas [Buildings] Edificios [Prestige] Prestigio [Units] Unidades [Attack] Ataque [Defense] Defensa [free] libre [of which] de los que [are ok] est=C3=A1n bien [are hungry] tienen hambre [are dying hungry] est=C3=A1n famelicos [are wonded] est=C3=A1n heridos [and] y [seeking a job] buscan trabajo [Walk] Andar [Swim] Nadar [Build] Construir [Harvest] Recolectar [At. speed] Rapidez ataque [At. strength] =46uerza ataque [Magic At. Air] Da=C3=B1o desde el aire [Magic At. Ground] Da=C3=B1o desde el suelo [Total] Total [free] libran [seeking] buscando [Free] Libre [hungry] hambriento [starving] famelico [wounded] herido [In way] En camino [On the spot] Aqu=C3=AD [Version] Versi=C3=B3n [open] abrir [Add AI] A=C3=B1adir IA [AI] IA [AINone] IANone [AINumbi] IANumbi [AICastor] IACastor [AINicowar] Nicowar (inestable) [AIToubib] IAToubib [AIWarrush] IAWarrush [the games] Juegos [the maps] Mapas [was] era [was AI] era IA [state] estado [Start] Comenzar [not ready] no est=C3=A1 preparado [has joined] ha entrado [has quit] se ha ido [yog-chat] #yog-es [speed] Velocidad [current speed] Velocidad actual [attack speed] Velocidad de ataque [new] Nuevo [load] Cargar [handmade map] Mapa hecho a mano [mapGenerationDescriptor Methodes] M=C3=A9todos de generaci=C3=B3n del mapas aleatorios [uniform terrain] Terreno uniforme [random terrain] Terreno aleatorio [islands terrain] Islas [ratios] Proporciones [smoothing] Alisado [number of teams] n=C3=BAmero de equipos [islands size] tama=C3=B1o de la isla [beach size] tama=C3=B1o de la playa [workers] Trabajadores [bad error in connection system] Error en el sistema de conexi=C3=B3n [not connected] No conectado [presence request sent] Petici=C3=B3n de presencia enviada ... [session request sent] Petici=C3=B3n de sesi=C3=B3n enviada ... [checksum sent] Checksum enviado ... [connected to server] Conectado al servidor [connecting to all players] Conectando a todos los jugadores [connected to all players] Conectado a todos los jugadores [available lan games] Juegos locales disponibles [login] Conectar [from:] de: [to:] para: [away:] ausente: [compile] Compilar el script [downloaded at] Bajado en=20 [percent] porcentaje [download finished] Descarga terminada [Map name: %s] Nombre del mapa: %s. [one player] Un jugador ha entrado. [number of players: %d] %d jugadores est=C3=A1n presentes. [number of teams: %d] %d equipos. [game full] Juego completo [small] peque=C3=B1o [medium] mediano [large] grande [network latency] Latencia de la red [game speed] Velocidad del juego [Paused] Pausado [Register a new YOG user with password] Registrar un nuevo usuario YOG con contrase=C3=B1a. (inseguro) [Remember YOG password localy] Recordar la contrase=C3=B1a localmente. (inseguro) [YESTS_BAD] Error de consistencia interna mientras se conectaba. [YESTS_UNABLE_TO_CONNECT] Imposible conectar. El metaservidor YOG est=C3=A1 caido. [YESTS_CREATED] El sistema de conexi=C3=B3n est=C3=A1 listo para contactar con el metaservi= dor YOG. [YESTS_CONNECTING] Estableciendo conexi=C3=B3n con el metaservidor YOG... [YESTS_DECONNECTING] Desconectando del metaservidor YOG... [YESTS_YOG_KILLED] Un administrador a parado el metaservidor YOG. [YESTS_CONNECTION_LOST] La conexi=C3=B3n al metaservidor YOG se ha perdido. [YESTS_CONNECTION_REFUSED_PROTOCOL_TOO_OLD] El metaservidor YOG ha rechazado tu conexi=C3=B3n porque tu cliente de glob= ulation2 est=C3=A1 obsoleto. [YESTS_CONNECTION_REFUSED_USERNAME_ALLREADY_USED] El metaservidor YOG ha rechazado tu conexi=C3=B3n porque tu nombre de usuar= io est=C3=A1 siendo usado por otro. [YESTS_CONNECTION_REFUSED_BAD_PASSWORD] El metaservidor YOG ha rechazado tu conexi=C3=B3n porque la contrase=C3=B1a= proporcionada es incorrecta. [YESTS_CONNECTION_REFUSED_BAD_PASSWORD_NON_ZERO] El metaservidor YOG ha rechazado tu conexi=C3=B3n porque este nombre de usu= ario no tiene ninguna contrase=C3=B1a a=C3=BAn. Tu probablemente quieras re= gistrar tu nombre de usuario con est=C3=A1 contrase=C3=B1a.Por lo tanto, ac= tiva la opci=C3=B3n =C2=ABRegistrar un nuevo usuario de YOG con contrase=C3= =B1a=C2=BB antes de conectar. Necesitaras activar est=C3=A1 opcion solament= e una vez. [YESTS_CONNECTION_REFUSED_ALREADY_PASSWORD] El metaservidor YOG ha rechazado tu conexi=C3=B3n porque este nombre de usu= ario ya est=C3=A1 registrado. Si este nombre de usuario es el tuyo, desacti= va la opci=C3=B3n =C2=ABRegistrar un nuevo usuario de YOG con contrase=C3= =B1a=C2=BB. [YESTS_CONNECTION_REFUSED_ALREADY_AUTHENTICATED] El metaservidor YOG ha rechazado tu conexi=C3=B3n por un error de protocolo= : apareces como ya autentificado. Intentalo de nuevo en 45 segundos. [YESTS_CONNECTION_REFUSED_NOT_CONNECTED_YET] El metaservidor YOG ha rechazado tu conexi=C3=B3n por un error interno: no = est=C3=A1s conectado mientras te autentificas. Por favor reporta este fallo. [YESTS_CONNECTION_REFUSED_UNEXPLAINED] =C2=A1El metaservidor YOG ha rechazado tu conexi=C3=B3n inexplicablementes! [The player %s has left YOG] %s ha abandonado YOG. [The player %s has joined YOG] %s se ha unido a YOG. [You are now marked as away] Estas marcado como ausente. [You are no more marked as away] Ya no estas marcado como ausente. [YOG_HELP] El sistema de mensajes YOG tiene dos comandos, =C2=ABmsg=C2=BB y =C2=ABaway= =C2=BB. Escribe =C2=AB/help =C2=BB para aprender m=C3=A1s sobre un= o de ellos. [YOG_HELP_AWAY] El comando =C2=AB/away ()=C2=BB te permite indicar a los dem=C3=A1= s usuarios de YOG que est=C3=A1s temporalmente ausente. Puedes a=C3=B1adir = un peque=C3=B1o mensaje explicativo. Por ejemplo =C2=AB/away Estoy comiendo= una hamburguesa y volver=C3=A9 a la 1 en punto". Alias "/a" [YOG_HELP_MSG] El comando =C2=AB/msg =C2=BB envia un mensaje privado. Po= r ejemplo =C2=AB/msg John Hola John, =C2=BFc=C3=B3mo estas?=C2=BB. Alias "/= m". [save before quit?] =C2=BFDeseas guardar antes de salir? [Yes] Si [No] No [Save] Guardar [auto save] Autoguardado [Total prestige reached] Prestigio total alcanzado [Continue playing] Continuar jugando [Lost : your colony is dead] Derrota: tu colonia ha sido aniquilada [Won : you defeated your opponents] Victoria: has destruido a tus enemigos [Won : your ally %s has the most prestige] Victoria: tu aliado %s ha alcanzado el mayor prestigio [Lost : %s has more prestige than you] Derrota: %s tiene m=C3=A1s prestigio que tu [Won : you have the most prestige] Victoria: tu eres el que m=C3=A1s prestigio tiene [The game has not been finished] El juego no ha terminado [display] Resoluci=C3=B3n [username] Nombre de usuario [fullscreen] Pantalla completa [hwaccel] Aceleraci=C3=B3n por hardware [dblbuff] Doble almacenamiento intermedio [lowquality] Baja calidad [audio] Audio [Music volume] Volumen (m=C3=BAsica) [Happyness] =46elicidad [customcur] Cursor personalizado [choose campaign] Elige una campa=C3=B1a [nick taken] Lo sentimos mucho pero el nombre que has elegido ya est=C3=A1 cogido en fre= enode,solo podras hablar con YOG [mute] silencio [abreaviation explanation A] A : Aliados [abreaviation explanation V] V : Permite la visi=C3=B3n de todos los edificios [abreaviation explanation Vf] Vf: Permite la visi=C3=B3n de las tabernas (para robar unidades) [abreaviation explanation mV] mV : Permite visi=C3=B3n de mercados (intercambio de frutas) [abreaviation explanation C] C : Enviar mensajes de charla a [shortcut explanation enter] Tecla enter : env=C3=ADa un mensaje de charla [shortcut explanation v] Tecla v : sostengala para hablar [Delete game] Borrar el juego seleccionado [any explorer] cualquier explorador [ground attack] ataque en tierra --Boundary-00=_zdItDuH3gxrHoH3-- From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 20:18:17 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Es8uP-0000Dz-2Q for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:18:17 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es8uN-0000Dk-VK for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:18:16 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es8uM-0000DX-EP for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:18:15 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es8uM-0000DU-As for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:18:14 -0500 Received: from [64.233.184.206] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Es8un-0003LR-Go for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:18:41 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 57so1555326wri for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:16:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=pZXgqVXU19uVIx+KThK1x3m1Sq0KLSplh0kP/L+mE+8Vcm5/Afhe4xn6xYLn2xiuGrGsN4TM4Ykmcov0AwZK5it4b9G1LRzUn+3j16fJ8U9aAevsQsFQT8R0WkeNfji+OJ/nl0nShKjx0VlC2hwlaRqZSZAaPkNwGJvL+tF7JVk= Received: by 10.65.197.10 with SMTP id z10mr3940357qbp; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.156.2 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:16:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:16:47 -0800 From: Bradley Arsenault To: Globulation2 development mailing list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [glob2-devel] Feature Freeze X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:18:16 -0000 I'm going to collect 1.0 stuff here. I think where all on the same boat. There should be a feature freeze, soon. I don't think any of yus can decide when or how. So I'm going to suggest some times, straight up that we should do everything in preperation for 1.0. Everyone and anyone who wants to make thier contributation before 1.0 should say so here, so we knopw exactly everything that needs to be done. We can adjust the times as neccessary. I think we should freeze the feature set on the 10'th of January, 2006. This should give us just enough time (maybe a little tight though) to get everythin that needs done, that is rendered as a feature or behaviour change, enough time to get done, although it may be a rather tight schedual I admit. After that, one month (or less) of extrenuous testing, and we shall release on the 1.0 and the 10'th of Febuary. Opponions on these times, too soon too late, are welcome. Bradley Arsenault From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 29 20:28:45 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Es94X-0002Ox-59 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:28:45 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es94U-0002Lm-J9 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:28:42 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Es94S-0002Ka-Lp for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:28:41 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Es94S-0002KX-Ir for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:28:40 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Es94t-00058s-KD for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:29:07 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Dec 2005 01:27:12 -0000 Received: from ppp-82-135-13-136.mnet-online.de (EHLO [82.135.13.136]) [82.135.13.136] by mail.gmx.net (mp038) with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 02:27:12 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6128592 Message-ID: <43B48D41.6090602@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:28:33 +0100 From: Leo Wandersleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Feature Freeze References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:28:42 -0000 I agree on jan. 10th. my contribution will be random maps with a series of themes. Leo Wandersleb Bradley Arsenault wrote: > I'm going to collect 1.0 stuff here. I think where all on the same > boat. There should be a feature freeze, soon. I don't think any of yus > can decide when or how. So I'm going to suggest some times, straight > up that we should do everything in preperation for 1.0. Everyone and > anyone who wants to make thier contributation before 1.0 should say so > here, so we knopw exactly everything that needs to be done. We can > adjust the times as neccessary. I think we should freeze the feature > set on the 10'th of January, 2006. This should give us just enough > time (maybe a little tight though) to get everythin that needs done, > that is rendered as a feature or behaviour change, enough time to get > done, although it may be a rather tight schedual I admit. After that, > one month (or less) of extrenuous testing, and we shall release on the > 1.0 and the 10'th of Febuary. Opponions on these times, too soon too > late, are welcome. > > Bradley Arsenault > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel > -- Dipl.-Math. Univ. Leo Wandersleb Kolumbusstr.2 81543 München Tel.: 0179-7748888 From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 30 02:17:06 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EsEVd-0005ct-1M for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:17:05 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsEVX-0005ZA-5m for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:16:59 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsEVT-0005X0-L0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:16:57 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsEVS-0005WL-Ms for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:16:54 -0500 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsEVw-0004Ly-CL for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:17:24 -0500 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051230071526.RPVT21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:15:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [81.99.77.64]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051230071526.GKFM774.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.3]> for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:15:26 +0000 Received: from andrew by nautilus with local (masqmail 0.2.21) id 1EsEXw-4Zz-00 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:19:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:19:27 +0000 From: Andrew Sayers To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org Message-ID: <20051230071927.GA17504@nautilus> Mail-Followup-To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP: http://www.ccl.bham.ac.uk/~andrew/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: [glob2-devel] New terrain tiles X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:17:00 -0000 Wow, I've finally finished making these new terrain tiles. This is a complete set of new tiles, designed to match the background on the new website. Please try them out by putting them in your ~/.glob2/data/gfx directory: http://www.globulation2.org/terrain.tar I'll write a long explanation of how I produced these (including ugly Perl scripts!) tomorrow or the next day, and put it on the wiki. - Andrew From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 30 04:09:50 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EsGGg-00014C-3w for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:09:46 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsGGb-00013R-MK for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:09:42 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsGGX-00012C-6v for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:09:39 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsGGW-000120-C8 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:09:36 -0500 Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsGH0-0007BN-BZ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:10:06 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Dec 2005 09:08:04 -0000 Received: from adsl-138-41-bs1.datacomm.ch (EHLO [192.168.201.201]) [212.254.138.41] by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 10:08:04 +0100 X-Authenticated: #24160434 Message-ID: <43B4F74F.2020608@gmx.net> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:01:03 +0100 From: simon schuler User-Agent: Mail/News 1.4 (X11/20050914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Simon's idea on gradiens References: <43A4A602.6000008@randomvoids.com> <43A4D5BA.6020501@gmx.de> <200512181157.38205.nct@ysagoon.com> <43B2BAD1.8080908@ysagoon.com> <43B32112.40806@gmx.net> <62005.84.190.70.60.1135818797.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> <43B3E7C3.4040706@gmx.net> <43B42185.4050704@ysagoon.com> <43B432E2.6070009@ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <43B432E2.6070009@ysagoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:09:43 -0000 Hi Nuage wrote: > Now, the CVS is using the same code, but I put my working implementation of your > idea into comment. When you have a chance to get this code, please run some wide > tests to find out the fastest and cleanest way. > > It's not that I don't want to add your idea now. But it increases the > complexitly of the code much, and maybe, another totaly different idea may > increase the speed more significalty. > > So if you either find a simpler way, or a bit faster way, we'll definitively > take it. You got the idea ? > I also feared that perhaps it could prevent other (better) optimizations, so it's perfectly OK if it's not included before some more gradient testing is done. I have had yet another completely different optimization idea yesterday. It's more complicated but could be implemented much cleaner. I don't know yet how much performance benefit it would give. I'll try to implement this and then run some more tests... simon From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 30 09:11:48 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EsKoH-0000OK-Cq for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:00:45 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsKhm-0007kx-Qg for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:54:04 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsKhh-0007jg-Db for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:54:00 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsKhf-0007j8-90 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:53:55 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsKiB-0001W0-U6 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:54:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ADBB93B73 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:52:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17753-05 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:52:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A720793B71 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:52:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from 81.163.142.231 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:52:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <56789.81.163.142.231.1135950742.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:52:22 +0100 (CET) From: nct@ysagoon.com To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [glob2-devel] Usability + web site X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:00:36 -0000 Hi everyone, Just some minuts ago I attended the following talk by girls form openusability.org: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/fahrplan/events/498.en.html It was quite nice. I talked a bit with the speaker later and she will perhaps have a lok at glob2 if she has some time. I think that would be cool :-) I've seen that there is lot of contributions on the wiki, which is very nice and I thank all contributors. I've tried to answer questions on the unit page. Unfortunatly those pages are not linked by main pages. I think it would be good to link them, for instance from http://globulation2.org/wiki/User_Manual for user related things (there i= s a further reading section and subsection could link to more detailed page= s such as it is done in Wikipedia) and from http://globulation2.org/wiki/Contributor_Center or http://globulation2.org/wiki/Developer_Center for development related things. There is a wishlist page, I think that should go to the bugtracker, what do you think? We could keep this page for general game or gameplay idea that has been discussed on the mailing list? http://globulation2.org/wiki/Wishlist Thanks for all help, you are a great community :-) Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 30 09:17:18 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EsL4F-0004DR-D8 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:17:15 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsKzu-0002qL-5s for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:12:46 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsKyx-0002Uf-Bq for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:11:50 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsKyw-0002U7-Lb for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:11:46 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsKzT-00049b-CH for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:12:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB9093B73 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:10:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17817-04 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:10:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40AD793B71 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:10:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from 81.163.142.231 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:10:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <49028.81.163.142.231.1135951815.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:10:15 +0100 (CET) From: nct@ysagoon.com To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [glob2-devel] Download / Install page X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:17:13 -0000 Hi, It looks like there is some work on both http://globulation2.org/wiki/Install_Glob2 and http://globulation2.org/wiki/Download pages. I'm a bit afraid there is work duplication. So I suggest we just synchronize here. Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 30 09:26:14 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EsLCw-00012j-4m for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:26:14 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsLCs-00012I-Lu for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:26:11 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsLCq-00011w-4n for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:26:09 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsLCn-00011m-PT for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:26:06 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsLDK-00074R-NS for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:26:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE40793B73 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:24:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17920-05 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:24:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9073193B71 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:24:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from 81.163.142.231 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:24:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <40342.81.163.142.231.1135952674.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:24:34 +0100 (CET) From: nct@ysagoon.com To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [glob2-devel] More duplication in the wiki, please solve X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:26:12 -0000 Hi, There is duplication in the wiki: http://globulation2.org/wiki/Scripting and http://globulation2.org/wiki/Map_editor_guide contain the same info but not written exactly the same. I've added a duplication resolution section in the TODO page: http://globulation2.org/wiki/Todo#Duplication Have a nice day, Steph, who try to have a maintainable and usable wiki ;-) From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 30 09:39:10 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EsLPR-0004mP-OQ for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:39:09 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsLPO-0004m3-Dq for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:39:06 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsLPM-0004lF-GU for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:39:05 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsLPK-0004l7-3u for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:39:04 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsLPr-0001M8-4v for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:39:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C26E93B73 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:37:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18037-03 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:37:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61A893B71 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:37:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from 81.163.142.231 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:37:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <39735.81.163.142.231.1135953450.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:37:30 +0100 (CET) From: nct@ysagoon.com To: glob2-devel@nongnu.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [glob2-devel] Links redirected + backup X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:39:07 -0000 Hi, I've redirected glob2.ysagoon.com to www.globulation2.org and forums.ysagoon.com to www.globulation2.org/forums. Now there should not be any reference of epfl.ysagoon.com anywhere. Kyle, now that www.globulation2.org is our main site, I would like to mak= e regular backup of both the db and the web site. Is there any structure in place yet? Thanks, Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 30 09:57:10 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EsLgs-0001me-72 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:57:10 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsLgk-0001kG-Gy for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:57:02 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsLgg-0001ht-4P for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:57:00 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsLgf-0001hX-Lz for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:56:57 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsLhC-0004kK-3o for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:57:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6189693B73 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:55:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18139-05 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:55:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0509D93B71 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:55:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from 81.163.142.231 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:55:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <36840.81.163.142.231.1135954524.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <20051230071927.GA17504@nautilus> References: <20051230071927.GA17504@nautilus> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:55:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] New terrain tiles From: nct@ysagoon.com To: "Globulation2 development mailing list" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:57:03 -0000 > Wow, I've finally finished making these new terrain tiles. This is a > complete set of new tiles, designed to match the background on the new > website. Please try them out by putting them in your ~/.glob2/data/gfx > directory: > > http://www.globulation2.org/terrain.tar > > I'll write a long explanation of how I produced these (including ugly > Perl scripts!) tomorrow or the next day, and put it on the wiki. I've just tested it, and it's really nice. You also redid the sand did yo= u ? I'm a bit afraid the grass is too light (or saturated). Messages are not = very readable on it. But on the other hand that really makes a nice fantastici= sh ambiance :-). As you have the script I suppose changing some parameters w= ould be trivial wouldn't it? Anyone else, your opinions? Thanks a lot for this work ;-) Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 30 11:02:43 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EsMiG-000570-F9 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:02:40 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsMiE-00056l-17 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:02:38 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsMiB-00056R-KM for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:02:37 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsMiA-00056I-Ly for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:02:34 -0500 Received: from [82.216.130.208] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsMii-0001fu-Ee for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:03:08 -0500 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1003) id C5D196DE01; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:01:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:01:11 +0100 From: Munteanu Alexandru To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Links redirected + backup Message-ID: <20051230160111.GA6518@yahoo.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Munteanu Alexandru , Globulation2 development mailing list References: <39735.81.163.142.231.1135953450.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <39735.81.163.142.231.1135953450.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:02:38 -0000 --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 03:37:30PM +0100, nct@ysagoon.com wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I've redirected glob2.ysagoon.com to www.globulation2.org and > forums.ysagoon.com to www.globulation2.org/forums. >=20 > Now there should not be any reference of epfl.ysagoon.com anywhere. It seems that the redirection is strange : http://globulation2.org/public_files/screen.jpg Alex --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDtVnHUgToylQKtsURAkowAJwPogfbM+TAWP1Yz6jITjTckSVYfACcC12U cvZSuI2kr4dDemUFhgPEXsA= =kp8U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx-- From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 30 11:18:34 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EsMxc-0002jC-RN for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:18:33 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsMxa-0002i5-3B for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:18:30 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsMxT-0002h7-OH for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:18:25 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsMxS-0002gr-L0 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:18:22 -0500 Received: from [66.111.4.28] (helo=out4.smtp.messagingengine.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsMy0-000578-Ja for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:18:56 -0500 Received: from frontend1.internal (mysql-sessions.internal [10.202.2.149]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62684D2DCAB for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from web2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.211]) by frontend1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:16:50 -0500 Received: by web2.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id EDABA27D5; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:16:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1135959404.12185.250788994@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: irY/1rpFlHhXj/DwXD44pDzb+qtd2jAhjlJk/sbQCO2z 1135959404 From: "Joey Marshall" To: "Globulation2 development mailing list" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.5 (F2.73; T1.15; A1.64; B3.05; Q3.03) References: <20051230071927.GA17504@nautilus> Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] New terrain tiles In-Reply-To: <20051230071927.GA17504@nautilus> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:16:44 -0800 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:18:31 -0000 I think it looks really good! I like the color of the grass... a lot more... bright. fits glob2 very well IMO. The only thing is that you can see seems in the grass where the tiles meet. joey On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:19:27 +0000, "Andrew Sayers" said: > Wow, I've finally finished making these new terrain tiles. This is a > complete set of new tiles, designed to match the background on the new > website. Please try them out by putting them in your ~/.glob2/data/gfx > directory: > > http://www.globulation2.org/terrain.tar > > I'll write a long explanation of how I produced these (including ugly > Perl scripts!) tomorrow or the next day, and put it on the wiki. > > - Andrew > > > _______________________________________________ > glob2-devel mailing list > glob2-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/glob2-devel -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 30 11:55:13 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EsNX4-0006RO-Bj for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:55:11 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsNWk-00066c-NT for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:54:52 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsNVs-0005EH-UF for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:53:59 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsNVQ-0004rq-6G for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:53:29 -0500 Received: from [82.216.130.208] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsNVy-00041W-8z for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:54:02 -0500 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1003) id E8B31B72D2; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:52:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:52:22 +0100 From: Munteanu Alexandru To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Links redirected + backup Message-ID: <20051230165222.GB6518@yahoo.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Munteanu Alexandru , Globulation2 development mailing list References: <39735.81.163.142.231.1135953450.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> <20051230160111.GA6518@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yEPQxsgoJgBvi8ip" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051230160111.GA6518@yahoo.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:55:02 -0000 --yEPQxsgoJgBvi8ip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 05:01:11PM +0100, Munteanu Alexandru wrote: > On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 03:37:30PM +0100, nct@ysagoon.com wrote: > > Hi, > >=20 > > I've redirected glob2.ysagoon.com to www.globulation2.org and > > forums.ysagoon.com to www.globulation2.org/forums. > >=20 > > Now there should not be any reference of epfl.ysagoon.com anywhere. >=20 > It seems that the redirection is strange : >=20 > http://globulation2.org/public_files/screen.jpg >=20 > Alex My bad, sorry. I was trying epfl.ysagoon.com. Alex --yEPQxsgoJgBvi8ip Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDtWXGUgToylQKtsURAneXAJsEM8e65VcuWeH4ppPYu8lHnNjpswCgmUIj DiFfRW7Wm11Nku+DjSxWeeo= =HWx2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yEPQxsgoJgBvi8ip-- From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 30 12:04:05 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EsNeq-0003AL-Ag for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:03:12 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsNeU-00032a-Hr for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:02:50 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsNd4-00027s-Dr for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:01:24 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsNcl-0001un-Sa for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:01:05 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsNdK-0005u5-1J for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:01:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26E093B73 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:59:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18976-02 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:59:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A287C93B71 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:59:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from 81.163.142.231 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:59:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <39406.81.163.142.231.1135961971.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <20051230160111.GA6518@yahoo.fr> References: <39735.81.163.142.231.1135953450.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> <20051230160111.GA6518@yahoo.fr> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:59:31 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Links redirected + backup From: nct@ysagoon.com To: "Globulation2 development mailing list" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:03:03 -0000 > On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 03:37:30PM +0100, nct@ysagoon.com wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've redirected glob2.ysagoon.com to www.globulation2.org and >> forums.ysagoon.com to www.globulation2.org/forums. >> >> Now there should not be any reference of epfl.ysagoon.com anywhere. > > It seems that the redirection is strange : > > http://globulation2.org/public_files/screen.jpg Which file did you try to access ? Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 30 12:55:28 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EsOTO-0007Lc-KU for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:55:26 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsOTH-0007K0-SH for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:55:22 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsOTC-0007Ip-SY for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:55:16 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsOTB-0007Ib-Ln for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:55:13 -0500 Received: from [82.216.130.208] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsOTj-0000QH-Ef for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:55:47 -0500 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1003) id EA408B747F; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:54:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:54:27 +0100 From: Munteanu Alexandru To: Globulation2 development mailing list Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Links redirected + backup Message-ID: <20051230175427.GC6518@yahoo.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Munteanu Alexandru , Globulation2 development mailing list References: <39735.81.163.142.231.1135953450.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> <20051230160111.GA6518@yahoo.fr> <39406.81.163.142.231.1135961971.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qjNfmADvan18RZcF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <39406.81.163.142.231.1135961971.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:55:23 -0000 --qjNfmADvan18RZcF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 05:59:31PM +0100, nct@ysagoon.com wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 03:37:30PM +0100, nct@ysagoon.com wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I've redirected glob2.ysagoon.com to www.globulation2.org and > >> forums.ysagoon.com to www.globulation2.org/forums. > >> > >> Now there should not be any reference of epfl.ysagoon.com anywhere. > > > > It seems that the redirection is strange : > > > > http://globulation2.org/public_files/screen.jpg >=20 > Which file did you try to access ? >=20 > Steph epfl.ysagoon.com Alex --qjNfmADvan18RZcF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDtXRTUgToylQKtsURAqaOAJsFLMcYoqLYX23la4TAGPg5eJjDjQCeOsMd Zef+qPehMB75AvH90G8n52c= =/q6L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qjNfmADvan18RZcF-- From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 30 13:04:36 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EsOcF-0001Tv-RY for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:04:35 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsOcD-0001TV-HG for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:04:33 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsObi-0001MV-EZ for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:04:33 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsObi-0001MO-34 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:04:02 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsOcF-00029U-W1 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:04:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A0393B73 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:02:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19267-05 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:02:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD6393B71 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:02:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from 81.163.142.231 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:02:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <35827.81.163.142.231.1135965739.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <1135959404.12185.250788994@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20051230071927.GA17504@nautilus> <1135959404.12185.250788994@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:02:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] New terrain tiles From: nct@ysagoon.com To: "Globulation2 development mailing list" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:04:34 -0000 > I think it looks really good! I like the color of the grass... a lot > more... bright. fits glob2 very well IMO. Aren't you disturbed by the reduced readableness of the overlay messages and informations? Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 30 13:17:20 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EsOoZ-0000SB-G2 for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:17:19 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsOoR-0000Ox-8X for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:17:11 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsOoL-0000M4-GB for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:17:10 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsOoL-0000M0-3r for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:17:05 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsOot-0005gz-8r for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:17:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDACE93B73 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:15:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19431-01 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:15:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D23B93B71 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:15:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from 81.163.142.231 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nct) by kiki.ysagoon.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:15:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <37445.81.163.142.231.1135966531.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> In-Reply-To: <20051230175427.GC6518@yahoo.fr> References: <39735.81.163.142.231.1135953450.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> <20051230160111.GA6518@yahoo.fr> <39406.81.163.142.231.1135961971.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> <20051230175427.GC6518@yahoo.fr> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:15:31 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] Links redirected + backup From: nct@ysagoon.com To: "Globulation2 development mailing list" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:17:12 -0000 >> Which file did you try to access ? >> >> Steph > > epfl.ysagoon.com well, you should use lissrv3.epfl.ch instead of epfl.ysagoon.com Steph From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 30 13:44:33 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EsPEu-0004KT-Ob for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:44:33 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsPEq-0004Gt-4a for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:44:28 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EsPEm-0004DF-I5 for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:44:26 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsPEl-0004CL-Nx for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:44:23 -0500 Received: from [66.111.4.28] (helo=out4.smtp.messagingengine.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsPFK-0003sx-PT for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:44:58 -0500 Received: from frontend1.internal (mysql-sessions.internal [10.202.2.149]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A9ED2DF10 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from web2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.211]) by frontend1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:42:53 -0500 Received: by web2.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 66CB16103; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:42:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1135968166.25876.250796910@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: tBI01Mh+y7vlbmCkTSppP/JWYtHajMw1PVm9O0O3Pt9u 1135968166 From: "Joey Marshall" To: "Globulation2 development mailing list" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.5 (F2.73; T1.15; A1.64; B3.05; Q3.03) References: <20051230071927.GA17504@nautilus> <1135959404.12185.250788994@webmail.messagingengine.com> <35827.81.163.142.231.1135965739.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> Subject: Re: [glob2-devel] New terrain tiles In-Reply-To: <35827.81.163.142.231.1135965739.squirrel@kiki.ysagoon.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:42:46 -0800 X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:44:30 -0000 On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:02:19 +0100 (CET), nct@ysagoon.com said: > > I think it looks really good! I like the color of the grass... a lot > > more... bright. fits glob2 very well IMO. > > Aren't you disturbed by the reduced readableness of the overlay messages > and informations? I didn't really notice it, at least no more than before. Joey -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 31 10:39:52 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Esipj-0005To-VT for mharc-glob2-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:39:52 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Esipf-0005SW-Vk for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:39:48 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Esipa-0005Rp-MR for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:39:46 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsipY-0005RY-Vb for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:39:41 -0500 Received: from [212.254.188.177] (helo=kiki.ysagoon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EsiqH-0004Ze-Aj for glob2-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:40:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4FF93B74 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:38:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiki.ysagoon.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kiki.ysagoon.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25345-04 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:38:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [192.168.1.33]) by kiki.ysagoon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96C393B63 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:38:05 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane_Magnenat?= To: Globulation2 development mailing list Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:38:29 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512311638.30065.nct@ysagoon.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ysagoon.com Subject: [glob2-devel] Logo X-BeenThere: glob2-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Id: Globulation2 development mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:39:49 -0000 Hi, It would be nice to have Globulation 2 nicely written and sophistically rendered in a bitmap. Usage would be main game screen and web site top bar. I could organize a contest but I'm afraid there won't be more than zero or one entry which would look bad... Steph