From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Feb 02 12:31:33 2009 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1LU2dw-0000lu-Qq for mharc-gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:31:32 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LU2dv-0000lI-3u for gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:31:31 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LU2dt-0000kk-U9 for gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:31:30 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43207 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LU2dt-0000kc-LB for gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:31:29 -0500 Received: from mail95c0.megamailservers.com ([69.49.121.201]:33119) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LU2dt-0003yu-9B for gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:31:29 -0500 X-POP-User: drh.firethorne.com Received: from [192.168.0.100] (d75-157-172-9.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.172.9]) by mail95c0.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n12HVJDY018751 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:31:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: gnuspeech Message-Id: <9989D505-CB90-4E38-BB60-5F2E5D050334@firethorne.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13--261785585 From: David Hill Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:32:48 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Subject: [gnuspeech-contact] Wkipedia entry X-BeenThere: gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Communication about gnuspeech in general." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:31:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail-13--261785585 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi people, I see that the Wikipedia entry for Gnuspeech: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnuspeech is under threat of removal -- as in: > "This article may not meet the general notability guideline. Please > help to establish notability by adding reliable, secondary sources > about the topic. If notability cannot be established, the article > is likely to be merged or deleted. (November 2008) > > This article needs sources or references that appear in reliable > third-party publications. Primary sources or those affiliated with > the subject are generally not sufficient for a Wikipedia article. > Please include more appropriate citations from reliable sources. > (November 2008)" Anyone any suggestions? "Secondary sources" and "reliable third party" references are needed. Any suggestions for improvement would be welcome. Thanks. david ------- David Hill drh@firethorne.com http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnuspeech -------- The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable. (J.K. Galbraith) -------- --Apple-Mail-13--261785585 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi people,

I = see that the Wikipedia entry for Gnuspeech:


is under threat of removal -- = as in:

"This = article may not meet the general notability guideline. Please help to = establish notability by adding reliable, secondary sources about the = topic. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be = merged or deleted. (November 2008)


Anyone any suggestions? = =A0"Secondary sources" and "reliable third party" references are needed. = =A0Any suggestions for improvement would be = welcome.

Thanks.

david
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David = Hill
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=A0The only = function of=A0economic forecasting is to make astrology look = respectable. (J.K. Galbraith)
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= --Apple-Mail-13--261785585-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Feb 03 22:07:34 2009 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1LUY6w-0004No-BA for mharc-gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:07:34 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LUY6u-0004Nh-Rz for gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:07:32 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LUY6u-0004NT-25 for gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:07:32 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38614 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LUY6t-0004NQ-Vi for gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:07:32 -0500 Received: from mail97c0.megamailservers.com ([69.49.121.203]:45828) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LUY6t-0007k3-97 for gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:07:31 -0500 X-POP-User: drh.firethorne.com Received: from [192.168.0.100] (d75-157-172-9.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.172.9]) by mail97c0.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n1437JfZ007021; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 22:07:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: <49887a40.1d1e640a.6498.5b02SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-30--140824583 Message-Id: <19855FFF-7B8C-4697-AD32-505F42443223@firethorne.com> From: David Hill Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 19:08:49 -0800 To: Dalmazio Brisinda X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Cc: gnuspeech Subject: [gnuspeech-contact] Gnuspeech Wikipedia entry X-BeenThere: gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Communication about gnuspeech in general." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:07:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail-30--140824583 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Dalmazio, Well, actually, there is an entry on the "Articulatory synthesis" page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articulatory_synthesis the relevant bit appears in the "Commercial models" section which =20 reads as follows: > Commercial Models > > One of the few commercial articulatory speech synthesis systems is =20 > the NeXT-based system originally developed and marketed by Trillium =20= > Sound Research, a spin-off company of the University of Calgary, =20 > where much of the original research was conducted. Following the =20 > demise of the various incarnations of NeXT (started by Steve Jobs =20 > in the late 1980s and merged with Apple Computer in 1997), the =20 > Trillium software was published under a GNU General Public Licence, =20= > with work continuing as gnuspeech. The system, first marketed in =20 > 1994, provides full articulatory-based text-to-speech conversion =20 > using a waveguide or transmission-line analog of the human oral and =20= > nasal tracts controlled by Rene Carr=E9's "distinctive region =20 > model"[14]. and the reference points to Ren=E9 Carr=E9's web page. It was, in fact, = =20 the presence of the red letter (i.e. "not in the Wikipedia") word =20 "gnuspeech" in that section (which was an edited version of a longer =20 piece I had put in and in which the other editor put "gnuspeech" in =20 double square brackets in the edited version leading to the missing =20 reference) that caused me to add a page for Gnuspeech itself. Which =20 makes it all the stranger that they now have marked it as under =20 threat of removal. There is another entry on the "Speech synthesis" page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_synthesis in the section headed "Articulatory synthesis" which reads as follows: > Until recently, articulatory synthesis models have not been =20 > incorporated into commercial speech synthesis systems. A notable =20 > exception is the NeXT-based system originally developed and =20 > marketed by Trillium Sound Research, a spin-off company of the =20 > University of Calgary, where much of the original research was =20 > conducted. Following the demise of the various incarnations of NeXT =20= > (started by Steve Jobs in the late 1980s and merged with Apple =20 > Computer in 1997), the Trillium software was published under the =20 > GNU General Public License, with work continuing as gnuspeech. The =20 > system, first marketed in 1994, provides full articulatory-based =20 > text-to-speech conversion using a waveguide or transmission-line =20 > analog of the human oral and nasal tracts controlled by Carr=E9's =20 > "distinctive region model". Maybe I need to contact the real Wikipedia editors for clarification. Thanks for the suggestion anyway. Warm regards. david -------- On Feb 3, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Dalmazio Brisinda wrote: > Hi David, > > What about making an entry in Wikipedia entry under the heading =20 > "Speech Synthesis"? I looked at this article, and there is no =20 > reference to the Gnuspeech project, and yet the topic seems to be =20 > covered in some detail. > > Perhaps having this other wikipedia article reference the Gnuspeech =20= > project article, and have the Gnuspeech project reference the =20 > general speech synthesis Wikipedia article might satisfy these =20 > requirements... > > Best, > Dalmazio > > >> >> >> Hi people, >> >> I see that the Wikipedia entry for Gnuspeech: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnuspeech >> >> is under threat of removal -- as in: >> >>> "This article may not meet the general notability guideline. =20 >>> Please help to establish notability by adding reliable, secondary =20= >>> sources about the topic. If notability cannot be established, the =20= >>> article is likely to be merged or deleted. (November 2008) >>> >>> This article needs sources or references that appear in reliable =20 >>> third-party publications. Primary sources or those affiliated =20 >>> with the subject are generally not sufficient for a Wikipedia =20 >>> article. Please include more appropriate citations from reliable =20 >>> sources. (November 2008)" >> >> Anyone any suggestions? "Secondary sources" and "reliable third =20 >> party" references are needed. Any suggestions for improvement =20 >> would be welcome. >> >> Thanks. >> >> david >> ------- >> >> David Hill >> drh@firethorne.com >> http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnuspeech >> -------- >> The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology =20 >> look respectable. (J.K. Galbraith) >> -------- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnuspeech-contact mailing list >> gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnuspeech-contact > --Apple-Mail-30--140824583 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Dalmazio,

Well, actually, there is an entry on the = "Articulatory synthesis" page:


the = relevant bit appears in the "Commercial models" section which reads as = follows:

Commercial Models

One = of the few commercial articulatory speech synthesis systems is the = NeXT-based system originally developed and marketed by Trillium Sound = Research, a spin-off company of the University of Calgary, where much of = the original research was conducted. Following the demise of the various = incarnations of NeXT (started by Steve Jobs in the late 1980s and merged = with Apple Computer in 1997), the Trillium software was published under = a GNU General Public Licence, with work continuing as gnuspeech. The = system, first marketed in 1994, provides full articulatory-based = text-to-speech conversion using a waveguide or transmission-line analog = of the human oral and nasal tracts controlled by Rene Carr=E9's = "distinctive region = model"[14].

and the reference = points to Ren=E9 Carr=E9's web page. =A0It was, in fact, the presence of = =A0the red letter (i.e. "not in the Wikipedia") word "gnuspeech" in that = section (which was an edited version of a longer piece I had put in and = in which the other editor put "gnuspeech" in double square brackets in = the edited version leading to the missing reference) that caused me to = add a page for Gnuspeech itself. =A0Which makes it all the stranger that = they now have marked it as under threat of = removal.

There is another entry on the "Speech = synthesis" page:


in the section = headed "Articulatory synthesis" which reads as = follows:

Until recently, articulatory synthesis models = have not been incorporated into commercial speech synthesis systems. A = notable exception is the NeXT-based system originally developed and = marketed by Trillium Sound Research, a spin-off company of the = University of Calgary, where much of the original research was = conducted. Following the demise of the various incarnations of NeXT = (started by Steve Jobs in the late 1980s and merged with Apple Computer = in 1997), the Trillium software was published under the GNU General = Public License, with work continuing as gnuspeech. The system, first = marketed in 1994, provides full articulatory-based text-to-speech = conversion using a waveguide or transmission-line analog of the human = oral and nasal tracts controlled by Carr=E9's "distinctive region = model".

Maybe I = need to contact the =A0real Wikipedia editors for = clarification.

Thanks for the suggestion = anyway.

Warm = regards.

david

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On Feb 3, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Dalmazio = Brisinda wrote:

Hi David,

What about making an entry in = Wikipedia entry under the heading "Speech Synthesis"? I looked at this = article, and there is no reference to the Gnuspeech project, and yet the = topic seems to be covered in some = detail.

Perhaps having this other wikipedia = article reference the Gnuspeech project article, and have the Gnuspeech = project reference the general speech synthesis Wikipedia article might = satisfy these = requirements...

Best,
Dalmazio




Hi = people,

I see that the Wikipedia entry for = Gnuspeech:


is under threat of removal -- = as in:

"This = article may not meet the general notability guideline. Please help to = establish notability by adding reliable, secondary sources about the = topic. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be = merged or deleted. (November 2008)


Anyone any suggestions? = =A0"Secondary sources" and "reliable third party" references are needed. = =A0Any suggestions for improvement would be = welcome.

Thanks.

david
-------

David = Hill
--------
=A0The only = function of=A0economic forecasting is to make astrology look = respectable. (J.K. Galbraith)
--------
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= --Apple-Mail-30--140824583-- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Feb 04 01:47:19 2009 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1LUbXb-0004Yf-9A for mharc-gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:47:19 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LUbXZ-0004YM-3G for gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:47:17 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LUbXX-0004Xz-1l for gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:47:15 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41334 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LUbXW-0004Xw-PV for gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:47:14 -0500 Received: from mail96c0.megamailservers.com ([69.49.121.202]:44529) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LUbXW-0004ek-B5 for gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:47:14 -0500 X-POP-User: drh.firethorne.com Received: from [192.168.0.100] (d75-157-172-9.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.172.9]) by mail96c0.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n146l8A7018810; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 01:47:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) References: <5EA40EEA-4A79-46CA-AD46-A3975DBA2551@firethorne.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-33--127635893 Message-Id: <5BB7EA0A-990F-468B-BE91-B5242F05F62F@firethorne.com> From: David Hill Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 22:48:38 -0800 To: Dalmazio Brisinda X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Cc: gnuspeech Subject: [gnuspeech-contact] Wikipedia Correction... X-BeenThere: gnuspeech-contact@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Communication about gnuspeech in general." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 06:47:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail-33--127635893 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Dalmazio, Oh dear! I replied to your first before opening your second email :- ( Sorry. On Feb 3, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Dalmazio Brisinda wrote: > Actually the article that I mentioned does reference your work and > the Gnuspeech project further down. > > But still adding a reference to the general article from within the > gnuspeech article might help... Maybe a "See also" section for > anything related to Gnuspeech that also back-links back to Gnuspeech? Yes, that is a good suggestion on which I will act, according to what I can divine concerning Wikipedia policy on that sort of thing. Warm regards. david -------- --Apple-Mail-33--127635893 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hi = Dalmazio,

Oh dear! =A0I replied to your first before = opening your second email :-( =A0Sorry.

On Feb 3, = 2009, at 10:25 AM, Dalmazio Brisinda wrote:

Actually the article that I mentioned does reference = your work and the Gnuspeech project further down.

But still = adding a reference to the general article from within the gnuspeech = article might help... Maybe a "See also" section for anything related to = Gnuspeech that also back-links back to Gnuspeech?
=

Yes, that is a good suggestion on = which I will act, according to what I can divine concerning Wikipedia = policy on that sort of thing.

Warm = regards.

david

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