From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Mar 01 07:31:43 2012 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1S35Ad-000765-6t for mharc-gpsd-dev@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 07:31:43 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43404) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S35AQ-00075i-Jy for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 07:31:42 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S35A9-0004kY-Fn for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 07:31:30 -0500 Received: from mail.recluse.de ([217.196.146.213]:51798) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S35A9-0004kH-9M for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 07:31:13 -0500 Received: from mail.recluse.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.recluse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEFC2688A for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 13:31:10 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at recluse.de Received: from mail.recluse.de ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.recluse.de (mail.recluse.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZvDQi29OC0Jx for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 13:31:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (congw.dc1.conova.com [217.196.145.250]) by mail.recluse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E70012513F for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 13:31:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4F4F6C0C.2020108@bzed.de> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 13:31:08 +0100 From: Bernd Zeimetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111114 Icedove/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org References: <4F3E2BDF.9050409@kera.name> <20120226065150.GC27593@thyrsus.com> <4F4A2B39.2070200@kera.name> <20120226134637.GA29434@thyrsus.com> <4F4E159E.4010003@bzed.de> In-Reply-To: <4F4E159E.4010003@bzed.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 217.196.146.213 Subject: Re: [gpsd-dev] [gpsd-users] Problems with the gpsd website move X-BeenThere: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:31:42 -0000 On 02/29/2012 01:10 PM, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > On 02/26/2012 02:46 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote: >> Tomalak Geret'kal : >>> How about option 3, find a real webhost? >> >> All of them suck in various painful ways, most having to do with >> the extremely primitive state of forge software. I know how to fix this, but >> doing so will require about six months of concentration that I haven't >> been able to give the problem yet. > > I wouldn't mind to setup gitlabhq and provide a vhost for gpsd and even > sponsor a domain. Gitlabhq is still in development, but upstream > responds fast. > The other option would be to use github as it is widely used already. It > is great for merging and tracking changes and collaborating with others. > As github is a commercial service, one might want to have the official > repository somewhere else and push to github automatically. Actually while thinking about it it would be good to be able to host a site on its own server so we are able to integrate automatic scan-build results. -- Bernd Zeimetz Debian GNU/Linux Developer http://bzed.de http://www.debian.org GPG Fingerprint: ECA1 E3F2 8E11 2432 D485 DD95 EB36 171A 6FF9 435F From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Mar 03 12:11:20 2012 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1S3sUK-0005ZC-Pv for mharc-gpsd-dev@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 12:11:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58236) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3sUH-0005Yb-JK for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 12:11:19 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3sUE-0003fT-Bm for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 12:11:17 -0500 Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5]:34648 helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3sUE-0003fN-7X for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 12:11:14 -0500 Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D35FB40616; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 12:10:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 12:10:39 -0500 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Bernd Zeimetz Message-ID: <20120303171039.GB16647@thyrsus.com> References: <4F3E2BDF.9050409@kera.name> <20120226065150.GC27593@thyrsus.com> <4F4A2B39.2070200@kera.name> <20120226134637.GA29434@thyrsus.com> <4F4E159E.4010003@bzed.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F4E159E.4010003@bzed.de> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 71.162.243.5 Cc: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [gpsd-dev] [gpsd-users] Problems with the gpsd website move X-BeenThere: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 17:11:19 -0000 Bernd Zeimetz : > I wouldn't mind to setup gitlabhq and provide a vhost for gpsd and even > sponsor a domain. Gitlabhq is still in development, but upstream > responds fast. Yes, I think gitlabhq looks promising, but still in early days and with festures missing that we have on Savahnnah now. > Mailing lists is the other thing which is a bit more painful, as it is > not integrated - and as they are a source for a lot of spam usually - > even if you need a registration - I'm not keen on hosting something like > that nor would I recommend to do it on your own unless you have a nice > provider and enough time to handle it. Yes, this is a serious problem. And it's another reason that the friction cost of changing hosting for a project (something I've had to do way too often) is higher than people on the kist seem to be estimating. -- Eric S. Raymond From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Mar 09 06:01:14 2012 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1S5xZS-0002vT-75 for mharc-gpsd-dev@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 06:01:14 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52567) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S5xZO-0002k9-Do for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 06:01:11 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S5xZH-0005Mx-Pk for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 06:01:09 -0500 Received: from mail1.nippynetworks.com ([91.220.24.129]:41544) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S5xZH-0005Ma-JN for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 06:01:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (mail1.nippynetworks.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.nippynetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFF134033B for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:01:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nippynetworks.com Received: from mail1.nippynetworks.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1.nippynetworks.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id YUTEnDRcTfsD for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:01:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from Ed-Wildgooses-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [212.69.38.73]) (Authenticated sender: edward@wildgooses.com) by mail1.nippynetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9326C3400BE for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 11:01:01 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4F59E2ED.1070405@wildgooses.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 11:01:01 +0000 From: Ed W User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org References: <4F3E2BDF.9050409@kera.name> <20120226065150.GC27593@thyrsus.com> <4F4A2B39.2070200@kera.name> <20120226134637.GA29434@thyrsus.com> <4F4E159E.4010003@bzed.de> <20120303171039.GB16647@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <20120303171039.GB16647@thyrsus.com> X-TagToolbar-Keys: D20120309110101107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 91.220.24.129 Subject: Re: [gpsd-dev] [gpsd-users] Problems with the gpsd website move X-BeenThere: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 11:01:12 -0000 On 03/03/2012 17:10, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Bernd Zeimetz: >> I wouldn't mind to setup gitlabhq and provide a vhost for gpsd and even >> sponsor a domain. Gitlabhq is still in development, but upstream >> responds fast. > Yes, I think gitlabhq looks promising, but still in early days and with > festures missing that we have on Savahnnah now. There is also gitosis (the software, not the hosting service) and redmine (a trac alternative) Neither have "email mailing list integration", but all can blurt out emails in response to stuff happening (is that what integration means?) >> Mailing lists is the other thing which is a bit more painful, as it is >> not integrated - and as they are a source for a lot of spam usually - >> even if you need a registration - I'm not keen on hosting something like >> that nor would I recommend to do it on your own unless you have a nice >> provider and enough time to handle it. > Yes, this is a serious problem. And it's another reason that the friction > cost of changing hosting for a project (something I've had to do way too > often) is higher than people on the kist seem to be estimating. I'm not joining in anymore, but: a) I think moving hosting *is* a big undertaking. Hence my previous attempts to help you get it right this time b) It's not clear to me what you actually mean by "email integration". If you wanted help, perhaps you should define what you mean by this, for example perhaps by pointing to another project which achieves this integration that you desire? As near as I can understand, you don't believe that you have such integration right now, so I don't see why it should become a factor in deciding to switch (no worse than the status quo)? c) Related to b) It's not clear why you feel the mailing lists need to move if the rest of the project hosting moves? Good luck finding a solution Ed W From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Mar 09 10:57:00 2012 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1S62Bg-0000YW-5U for mharc-gpsd-dev@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:57:00 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37867) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S5xjp-00068T-Ur for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 06:12:02 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S5xjP-0007i5-RY for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 06:11:57 -0500 Received: from f24.mail.ru ([217.69.129.90]:44561) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S5xjP-0007hj-AR for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 06:11:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail; h=Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Reply-To:Date:Mime-Version:Subject:To:From; bh=IFwzRwA+rzj/ZW6vYDeeg1ZmS07uZ4g/j2C634w16ZE=; b=d/1qnUeQZFxAhFWev8txyeMjdMNGZuTDdFvSlbRNivVB6tTrIhrqdkIA26RLAUHWbe1CpHtc+/SjodBiR+BnM/6Y++oQ8oJpuaPkHFmbVlHBawiXwpGt3HixY6LJ/Cot; Received: from mail by f24.mail.ru with local (envelope-from ) id 1S5xjM-0007HY-B3 for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:11:28 +0400 Received: from [46.242.98.94] by e.mail.ru with HTTP; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:11:28 +0400 From: =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcmV3IEV2ZG9raW1vdg==?= To: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [46.242.98.94] Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:11:28 +0400 X-Priority: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Message-Id: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. 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X-Received-From: 217.196.146.213 Subject: Re: [gpsd-dev] [gpsd-users] Problems with the gpsd website move X-BeenThere: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:55:03 -0000 On 03/09/2012 12:01 PM, Ed W wrote: > On 03/03/2012 17:10, Eric S. Raymond wrote: >> Bernd Zeimetz: >>> I wouldn't mind to setup gitlabhq and provide a vhost for gpsd and even >>> sponsor a domain. Gitlabhq is still in development, but upstream >>> responds fast. >> Yes, I think gitlabhq looks promising, but still in early days and with >> festures missing that we have on Savahnnah now. Which features are missing we are actually using? > There is also gitosis (the software, not the hosting service) and > redmine (a trac alternative) gitosis sucks imho - and unfortunately. I still prefer github - working with it is very easy and it is especially easy to keep track of commits other people made to their own forks of your project and to comment on them or merge them. > [...] > c) Related to b) It's not clear why you feel the mailing lists need to > move if the rest of the project hosting moves? (also I fail to understand why its such a pain to have two passwords - I never ever used the password for the mailman or whatever runs the list as there is no need to use it) -- Bernd Zeimetz Debian GNU/Linux Developer http://bzed.de http://www.debian.org GPG Fingerprint: ECA1 E3F2 8E11 2432 D485 DD95 EB36 171A 6FF9 435F From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Mar 13 12:28:01 2012 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1S7UZt-0003Pe-7Y for mharc-gpsd-dev@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:28:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41529) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7UZl-0003Kc-Cg for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:27:59 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7UZd-0001TE-2m for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:27:52 -0400 Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5]:48494 helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7UZc-0001Sy-UU for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:27:44 -0400 Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A7A2D40617; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:27:26 -0400 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Bernd Zeimetz Message-ID: <20120313162726.GB22944@thyrsus.com> References: <4F3E2BDF.9050409@kera.name> <20120226065150.GC27593@thyrsus.com> <4F4A2B39.2070200@kera.name> <20120226134637.GA29434@thyrsus.com> <4F4E159E.4010003@bzed.de> <20120303171039.GB16647@thyrsus.com> <4F59E2ED.1070405@wildgooses.com> <4F5DF1FD.7010207@bzed.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F5DF1FD.7010207@bzed.de> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 71.162.243.5 Cc: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [gpsd-dev] [gpsd-users] Problems with the gpsd website move X-BeenThere: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:27:59 -0000 Bernd Zeimetz : > Which features are missing we are actually using? Commits that mention Savannnah v=bugs get their change comments appended to the bug thread. > (also I fail to understand why its such a pain to have two passwords - I > never ever used the password for the mailman or whatever runs the list > as there is no need to use it) That's because you don't have to moderate the mailing list. I do. -- Eric S. Raymond From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Mar 13 18:18:58 2012 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1S7a3V-0004m2-Vf for mharc-gpsd-dev@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:18:57 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43209) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7a3T-0004lh-FR for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:18:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7a3R-00031k-RY for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:18:55 -0400 Received: from mail1.nippynetworks.com ([91.220.24.129]:59306) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7a3R-0002zr-LN for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:18:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail1.nippynetworks.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.nippynetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDD13402EB for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:18:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nippynetworks.com Received: from mail1.nippynetworks.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1.nippynetworks.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id VRiInsS7biOg for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:18:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from Ed-Wildgooses-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [212.69.38.73]) (Authenticated sender: edward@wildgooses.com) by mail1.nippynetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CF24A340232 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:18:50 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4F5FC7CA.3000106@wildgooses.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:18:50 +0000 From: Ed W User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org References: <4F3E2BDF.9050409@kera.name> <20120226065150.GC27593@thyrsus.com> <4F4A2B39.2070200@kera.name> <20120226134637.GA29434@thyrsus.com> <4F4E159E.4010003@bzed.de> <20120303171039.GB16647@thyrsus.com> <4F59E2ED.1070405@wildgooses.com> <4F5DF1FD.7010207@bzed.de> In-Reply-To: <4F5DF1FD.7010207@bzed.de> X-TagToolbar-Keys: D20120313221850459 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 91.220.24.129 Subject: Re: [gpsd-dev] [gpsd-users] Problems with the gpsd website move X-BeenThere: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:18:56 -0000 On 12/03/2012 12:54, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: >> There is also gitosis (the software, not the hosting service) and >> redmine (a trac alternative) > gitosis sucks imho - and unfortunately. > Sorry, you are right - I meant *Gitorious*... (which is both a hosted "forge", but also opensource and available for download) Yes, gitosis is "old and busted", the new equivalent is gitolite (So many similarly named projects... gah) Ed W From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Mar 13 18:19:41 2012 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1S7a4D-0004y1-3a for mharc-gpsd-dev@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:19:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43333) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7a49-0004xK-PL for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:19:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7a47-000398-NE for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:19:37 -0400 Received: from mail1.nippynetworks.com ([91.220.24.129]:59419) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7a47-000394-HU for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:19:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail1.nippynetworks.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.nippynetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9643402EB for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:19:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nippynetworks.com Received: from mail1.nippynetworks.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1.nippynetworks.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id sUijBgCexDuH for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:19:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from Ed-Wildgooses-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [212.69.38.73]) (Authenticated sender: edward@wildgooses.com) by mail1.nippynetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 20B09340232 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:19:34 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4F5FC7F5.7010400@wildgooses.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:19:33 +0000 From: Ed W User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org References: <4F3E2BDF.9050409@kera.name> <20120226065150.GC27593@thyrsus.com> <4F4A2B39.2070200@kera.name> <20120226134637.GA29434@thyrsus.com> <4F4E159E.4010003@bzed.de> <20120303171039.GB16647@thyrsus.com> <4F59E2ED.1070405@wildgooses.com> <4F5DF1FD.7010207@bzed.de> <20120313162726.GB22944@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <20120313162726.GB22944@thyrsus.com> X-TagToolbar-Keys: D20120313221933932 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 91.220.24.129 Subject: Re: [gpsd-dev] [gpsd-users] Problems with the gpsd website move X-BeenThere: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:19:39 -0000 On 13/03/2012 16:27, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Bernd Zeimetz: >> Which features are missing we are actually using? > Commits that mention Savannnah v=bugs get their change comments appended > to the bug thread. For reference I believe you get something similar with github. In that case it can update either it's own bug tracker, or a number of third party ones (quite probably it can update the savannah one if you wish...). Redmine can also do similar There is a large migration issue between bug trackers if you change "brand" of course. However, given the big gap beween good and bad bug trackers this is probably worth doing if you find something you like... >> (also I fail to understand why its such a pain to have two passwords - I >> never ever used the password for the mailman or whatever runs the list >> as there is no need to use it) > That's because you don't have to moderate the mailing list. I do. I personally: a) use different passwords on *every* website (with so many sites getting hacked at the moment, a shared password is a liability) b) use a password manager so that I never need to know what these passwords are (I personally use Lastpass, but there are other good alternatives) I guess Bernd's point was that most of us who adopt a procedure something like the above have zero issue with multiple passwords for different sites, even more we *promote* having unique passwords per site as being normal and proper security! That you have a problem with something that others consider "solved" *might* mean that it's worth looking at your process, rather than the tools themselves..? Just a thought... Happy to suggest a bunch of alternatives if you are interested..? Good luck Ed W From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Mar 14 05:13:26 2012 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1S7kGs-0004Yp-4x for mharc-gpsd-dev@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:13:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47105) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7kGk-0004WC-Dz for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:13:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7kGa-0003vC-PQ for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:13:17 -0400 Received: from mail.recluse.de ([217.196.146.213]:37166) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7kGa-0003uu-Id for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:13:08 -0400 Received: from mail.recluse.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.recluse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD2726AC4; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:13:05 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at recluse.de Received: from mail.recluse.de ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.recluse.de (mail.recluse.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FfBGeoq+HR+b; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:13:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (congw.dc1.conova.com [217.196.145.250]) by mail.recluse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A4D2526A8F; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:13:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4F60611C.4040300@bzed.de> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:13:00 +0100 From: Bernd Zeimetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111114 Icedove/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esr@thyrsus.com References: <4F3E2BDF.9050409@kera.name> <20120226065150.GC27593@thyrsus.com> <4F4A2B39.2070200@kera.name> <20120226134637.GA29434@thyrsus.com> <4F4E159E.4010003@bzed.de> <20120303171039.GB16647@thyrsus.com> <4F59E2ED.1070405@wildgooses.com> <4F5DF1FD.7010207@bzed.de> <20120313162726.GB22944@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <20120313162726.GB22944@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 217.196.146.213 Cc: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [gpsd-dev] [gpsd-users] Problems with the gpsd website move X-BeenThere: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:13:24 -0000 On 03/13/2012 05:27 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Bernd Zeimetz : >> Which features are missing we are actually using? > > Commits that mention Savannnah v=bugs get their change comments appended > to the bug thread. That is not a feature of some crappy web interface. That is a hook you could install whereever you want in a few minutes. Also you can still keep a copy of the git on savanna and push to it, if you want to use savannah. Same for most other sites - without looking deeply into the the gitlabhq code it should be easy to add such a comment. >> (also I fail to understand why its such a pain to have two passwords - I >> never ever used the password for the mailman or whatever runs the list >> as there is no need to use it) > > That's because you don't have to moderate the mailing list. I do. So you want to do an insane amount of work because its too hard for you to enter a different password. Interesting. Probably just find some others to help to moderate the lists, or save the password in your favourite browser (evil, yes, I know). There are no proper software choices to run a mailing list, all are more or less a major PITA to setup und adding something similar quickly into some other kind of software is not trivial. You could use a SSO solution like DACS and patch mailman to use it. Which means to fight with cookies. Not better. So the summary would be: - writing a proper list software or addins something like it to a forge is a hard task (you would have to implement bounce and error handling and so on) - administrating a list server is a PITA (configuration, fighting with abuse messages, spammers and so on) - integrating SSO into an existing solution is a PITA, too (setup, configutaion, ....) My suggestion would be that you talk to the mailman developers, they are working on mailman3 at the moment and ask them to integrate other ways to authenticate users. http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Mailman+3.0 And then ask your favourite forge to integrate the new mailman. And in the meantime maybe just give github a try while keeping the main copy at savannah and pushing to github automatically. -- Bernd Zeimetz Debian GNU/Linux Developer http://bzed.de http://www.debian.org GPG Fingerprint: ECA1 E3F2 8E11 2432 D485 DD95 EB36 171A 6FF9 435F From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Mar 14 09:41:16 2012 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1S7oS4-0002M9-Dl for mharc-gpsd-dev@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:41:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45343) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7oRb-0002Ke-CK for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:41:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7oRC-000073-Hk for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:40:46 -0400 Received: from mail.recluse.de ([217.196.146.213]:33001) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7oRC-00006B-Br for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:40:22 -0400 Received: from mail.recluse.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.recluse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3629268F1 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:40:15 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at recluse.de Received: from mail.recluse.de ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.recluse.de (mail.recluse.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L5xCYFny6Saz for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:40:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (congw.dc1.conova.com [217.196.145.250]) by mail.recluse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B0DED2684F for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:40:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4F609FBD.9030809@bzed.de> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:40:13 +0100 From: Bernd Zeimetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111114 Icedove/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org References: <4F3E2BDF.9050409@kera.name> <20120226065150.GC27593@thyrsus.com> <4F4A2B39.2070200@kera.name> <20120226134637.GA29434@thyrsus.com> <4F4E159E.4010003@bzed.de> <20120303171039.GB16647@thyrsus.com> <4F59E2ED.1070405@wildgooses.com> <4F5DF1FD.7010207@bzed.de> <4F5FC7CA.3000106@wildgooses.com> In-Reply-To: <4F5FC7CA.3000106@wildgooses.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 217.196.146.213 Subject: Re: [gpsd-dev] [gpsd-users] Problems with the gpsd website move X-BeenThere: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:41:15 -0000 On 03/13/2012 11:18 PM, Ed W wrote: > On 12/03/2012 12:54, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: >>> There is also gitosis (the software, not the hosting service) and >>> redmine (a trac alternative) >> gitosis sucks imho - and unfortunately. >> > > Sorry, you are right - I meant *Gitorious*... (which is both a hosted > "forge", but also opensource and available for download) > > Yes, gitosis is "old and busted", the new equivalent is gitolite No I actually meant gitorious - last time I tried it it was annoying to use unfortunately. > > (So many similarly named projects... gah) > > Ed W > -- Bernd Zeimetz Debian GNU/Linux Developer http://bzed.de http://www.debian.org GPG Fingerprint: ECA1 E3F2 8E11 2432 D485 DD95 EB36 171A 6FF9 435F From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Mar 18 07:02:19 2012 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1S9DsR-0006uI-3y for mharc-gpsd-dev@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 07:02:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52368) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S9DsN-0006rf-SO for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 07:02:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S9DsL-0005Qm-PZ for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 07:02:15 -0400 Received: from mail.recluse.de ([217.196.146.213]:40944) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S9DsL-0005QQ-JD for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 07:02:13 -0400 Received: from mail.recluse.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.recluse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD4C26B74 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:02:10 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at recluse.de Received: from mail.recluse.de ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.recluse.de (mail.recluse.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cHkrGx2TD07E for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:02:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from think.bzed.org (188-195-124-69-dynip.superkabel.de [188.195.124.69]) by mail.recluse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 50C62218F1 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:02:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4F65C0AC.3040104@bzed.de> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:02:04 +0100 From: Bernd Zeimetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20120216 Icedove/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org References: <4F3E2BDF.9050409@kera.name> <20120226065150.GC27593@thyrsus.com> <4F4A2B39.2070200@kera.name> <20120226134637.GA29434@thyrsus.com> <4F4E159E.4010003@bzed.de> <20120303171039.GB16647@thyrsus.com> <4F59E2ED.1070405@wildgooses.com> <4F5DF1FD.7010207@bzed.de> <20120313162726.GB22944@thyrsus.com> <4F60611C.4040300@bzed.de> In-Reply-To: <4F60611C.4040300@bzed.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 217.196.146.213 Subject: Re: [gpsd-dev] [gpsd-users] Problems with the gpsd website move X-BeenThere: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 11:02:17 -0000 On 03/14/2012 10:13 AM, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > On 03/13/2012 05:27 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote: >> Bernd Zeimetz : >>> Which features are missing we are actually using? >> >> Commits that mention Savannnah v=bugs get their change comments appended >> to the bug thread. > > That is not a feature of some crappy web interface. That is a hook you > could install whereever you want in a few minutes. Also you can still > keep a copy of the git on savanna and push to it, if you want to use > savannah. Same for most other sites - without looking deeply into the > the gitlabhq code it should be easy to add such a comment. > >>> (also I fail to understand why its such a pain to have two passwords - I >>> never ever used the password for the mailman or whatever runs the list >>> as there is no need to use it) >> >> That's because you don't have to moderate the mailing list. I do. > > So you want to do an insane amount of work because its too hard for you > to enter a different password. Interesting. Probably just find some > others to help to moderate the lists, or save the password in your > favourite browser (evil, yes, I know). (or just use the mail interface instead of the web thing - modrating a list using that is pretty easy after someinitian MUA tweaking). -- Bernd Zeimetz Debian GNU/Linux Developer http://bzed.de http://www.debian.org GPG Fingerprint: ECA1 E3F2 8E11 2432 D485 DD95 EB36 171A 6FF9 435F From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Mar 18 10:30:37 2012 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1S9H81-0004Jb-Jw for mharc-gpsd-dev@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:30:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57944) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S9H7z-0004Iy-S5 for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:30:37 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S9H7y-00020S-5j for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:30:35 -0400 Received: from mail1.nippynetworks.com ([91.220.24.129]:48547) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S9H7x-00020E-WE for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:30:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail1.nippynetworks.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.nippynetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6043402E9 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:30:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nippynetworks.com Received: from mail1.nippynetworks.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1.nippynetworks.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 6ukLULu23nWm for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:30:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from Ed-Wildgooses-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [212.69.38.73]) (Authenticated sender: edward@wildgooses.com) by mail1.nippynetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 957583402E7 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:30:31 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4F65F187.2090207@wildgooses.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:30:31 +0000 From: Ed W User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org References: <4F3E2BDF.9050409@kera.name> <20120226065150.GC27593@thyrsus.com> <4F4A2B39.2070200@kera.name> <20120226134637.GA29434@thyrsus.com> <4F4E159E.4010003@bzed.de> <20120303171039.GB16647@thyrsus.com> <4F59E2ED.1070405@wildgooses.com> <4F5DF1FD.7010207@bzed.de> <20120313162726.GB22944@thyrsus.com> <4F60611C.4040300@bzed.de> <4F65C0AC.3040104@bzed.de> In-Reply-To: <4F65C0AC.3040104@bzed.de> X-TagToolbar-Keys: D20120318143031530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 91.220.24.129 Subject: Re: [gpsd-dev] [gpsd-users] Problems with the gpsd website move X-BeenThere: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:30:37 -0000 On 18/03/2012 11:02, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > (or just use the mail interface instead of the web thing - modrating a list > using that is pretty easy after someinitian MUA tweaking). If you used a very scriptable mail client such as Mutt, then google throws up a bunch of suggestions for scripts to help out with that kind of administration... Ed From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Mar 21 16:50:15 2012 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1SASU3-0006QQ-Rr for mharc-gpsd-dev@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:50:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53111) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SAQeQ-00035A-D1 for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:52:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SAQeO-0000zX-FG for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:52:49 -0400 Received: from lmv.inov.pt ([146.193.64.2]:45286) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SAQeO-0000zQ-3r for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:52:48 -0400 Received: from [10.154.0.246] (gtout.inov.pt [146.193.64.254]) by lmv.inov.pt (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q2LIex6C030544 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:41:00 GMT Message-ID: <4F6A20C2.3090908@inov.pt> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:41:06 +0000 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Miguel_Gon=E7alves?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (lmv.inov.pt [146.193.64.2]); Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:41:00 +0000 (WET) X-INOV-EmailServer-Information: Please contact the Email service provider for more information X-INOV-EmailServer: Found to be clean X-INOV-EmailServer-From: jose.goncalves@inov.pt Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by lmv.inov.pt id q2LIex6C030544 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Received-From: 146.193.64.2 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:50:14 -0400 Subject: [gpsd-dev] [PATCH] Fix on NMEA driver 2D mode X-BeenThere: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:52:51 -0000 Hi, While working with a Septentrio PolarRx2 receiver, I've noticed that I ne= ver got=20 2D fixes with xgps, while the Septentrio proprietary software told me tha= t it had=20 a fix. I've tracked down the bug to the GGA processing in the NMEA driver. Best regards, Jos=E9 Gon=E7alves diff --git a/driver_nmea.c b/driver_nmea.c index 8eb5c1f..e1626f3 100644 --- a/driver_nmea.c +++ b/driver_nmea.c @@ -364,12 +364,11 @@ static gps_mask_t processGPGGA(int c UNUSED, char *= field[], /* * SiRF chipsets up to version 2.2 report a null altitude field. * See . - * If we see this, force mode to 2D at most. + * If we see this, force mode to 2D. */ if (altitude[0] =3D=3D '\0') { - if (session->newdata.mode =3D=3D MODE_3D) { - session->newdata.mode =3D - session->gpsdata.status ? MODE_2D : MODE_NO_FIX; + if (session->newdata.mode !=3D MODE_2D) { + session->newdata.mode =3D MODE_2D; mask |=3D MODE_SET; } } else { From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Mar 21 18:12:45 2012 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1SATlt-0001eP-Gu for mharc-gpsd-dev@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:12:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38609) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SATlq-0001dm-8O for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:12:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SATlm-0006Tc-QD for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:12:41 -0400 Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5]:47624 helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SATlm-0006T2-Mi for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:12:38 -0400 Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2F7154081F; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:12:32 -0400 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Miguel_Gon=E7alves?= Message-ID: <20120321221232.GA22792@thyrsus.com> References: <4F6A20C2.3090908@inov.pt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F6A20C2.3090908@inov.pt> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 71.162.243.5 Cc: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [gpsd-dev] [PATCH] Fix on NMEA driver 2D mode X-BeenThere: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:12:43 -0000 Jos=E9 Miguel Gon=E7alves : > While working with a Septentrio PolarRx2 receiver, I've noticed that > I never got 2D fixes with xgps, while the Septentrio proprietary > software told me that it had a fix. I've tracked down the bug to the > GGA processing in the NMEA driver. If you re-patch yours so the test (session->newdata.mode !=3D MODE_2D) is replaced by (session->newdata.mode > MODE_2D), do you still get fixes? > Best regards, > Jos=E9 Gon=E7alves >=20 > diff --git a/driver_nmea.c b/driver_nmea.c > index 8eb5c1f..e1626f3 100644 > --- a/driver_nmea.c > +++ b/driver_nmea.c > @@ -364,12 +364,11 @@ static gps_mask_t processGPGGA(int c UNUSED, char= *field[], > /* > * SiRF chipsets up to version 2.2 report a null altitude field= . > * See . > - * If we see this, force mode to 2D at most. > + * If we see this, force mode to 2D. > */ > if (altitude[0] =3D=3D '\0') { > - if (session->newdata.mode =3D=3D MODE_3D) { > - session->newdata.mode =3D > - session->gpsdata.status ? MODE_2D : MODE_NO_FIX; > + if (session->newdata.mode !=3D MODE_2D) { > + session->newdata.mode =3D MODE_2D; > mask |=3D MODE_SET; > } > } else { >=20 I'd like to have a test logfile for this receiver. Can you supply one? --=20 Eric S. Raymond From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Mar 22 09:52:40 2012 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1SAiRU-0001H3-ML for mharc-gpsd-dev@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:52:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38683) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SAiRN-0001Fs-8J for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:52:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SAiRF-0006z1-5W for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:52:32 -0400 Received: from lmv.inov.pt ([146.193.64.2]:35624) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SAiRE-0006yG-NH for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:52:25 -0400 Received: from [10.154.0.246] (gtout.inov.pt [146.193.64.254]) by lmv.inov.pt (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q2MDq8Gp025159; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:52:08 GMT Message-ID: <4F6B2E91.3060507@inov.pt> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:52:17 +0000 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Miguel_Gon=E7alves?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120310 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esr@thyrsus.com References: <4F6A20C2.3090908@inov.pt> <20120321221232.GA22792@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <20120321221232.GA22792@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090005060909000608040201" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (lmv.inov.pt [146.193.64.2]); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:52:08 +0000 (WET) X-INOV-EmailServer-Information: Please contact the Email service provider for more information X-INOV-EmailServer: Found to be clean X-INOV-EmailServer-From: jose.goncalves@inov.pt X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Received-From: 146.193.64.2 Cc: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [gpsd-dev] [PATCH] Fix on NMEA driver 2D mode X-BeenThere: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:52:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090005060909000608040201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by lmv.inov.pt id q2MDq8Gp025159 Hi Eric, On 21-03-2012 22:12, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Jos=E9 Miguel Gon=E7alves: >> While working with a Septentrio PolarRx2 receiver, I've noticed that >> I never got 2D fixes with xgps, while the Septentrio proprietary >> software told me that it had a fix. I've tracked down the bug to the >> GGA processing in the NMEA driver. > If you re-patch yours so the test (session->newdata.mode !=3D MODE_2D) > is replaced by (session->newdata.mode> MODE_2D), do you still get fixe= s? No! > I'd like to have a test logfile for this receiver. Can you supply one? Sure. I attach two NMEA log files for this device with a 2D fix. One outp= utting=20 GGA+GSA+GSV+VTG+ZDA+GST (nmea_2d.log) and the other outputting all the NM= EA=20 messages that the receiver supports (nmea_2d_full.log). 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (lmv.inov.pt [146.193.64.2]); Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:42:30 +0100 (WEST) X-INOV-EmailServer-Information: Please contact the Email service provider for more information X-INOV-EmailServer: Found to be clean X-INOV-EmailServer-From: jose.goncalves@inov.pt Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by lmv.inov.pt id q2UAgUeX017869 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Received-From: 146.193.64.2 Subject: [gpsd-dev] NMEA driver's ZDA parsing X-BeenThere: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:57:24 -0000 When my receiver has no position fix I see the following log messages in = gpsd: gpsd:WARN: unknown sentence: "$GPZDA,,,,,,*48\x0d\x0a" gpsd:WARN: malformed ZDA I think this is misleading to the user, because there is nothing wrong wi= th that=20 message. It's correctly formatted according with the NMEA 0183 standard (just don'= t report=20 any valid date), so I think that log report should be removed. Best regards, Jos=E9 Gon=E7alves From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Mar 30 17:08:12 2012 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1SDj3M-00015J-Kx for mharc-gpsd-dev@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:08:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53189) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SDNRT-0006Sl-PF for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:03:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SDNRS-0000mh-4z for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:03:39 -0400 Received: from mga02.intel.com ([134.134.136.20]:65424) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SDNRR-0000mT-Uy for gpsd-dev@nongnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:03:38 -0400 Received: from orsmga001.jf.intel.com ([10.7.209.18]) by orsmga101.jf.intel.com with ESMTP; 29 Mar 2012 15:03:33 -0700 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,352,1309762800"; d="scan'208";a="123299703" Received: from linux.jf.intel.com (HELO linux.intel.com) ([10.23.219.25]) by orsmga001.jf.intel.com with ESMTP; 29 Mar 2012 15:03:33 -0700 Received: from [10.7.197.57] (tripzero-desktop.jf.intel.com [10.7.197.57]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by linux.intel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326652C8001 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F74DC4F.5000007@linux.intel.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:03:59 -0700 From: Kevron Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120313 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 134.134.136.20 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:08:10 -0400 Subject: [gpsd-dev] trouble with new gpsd API 5 X-BeenThere: gpsd-dev@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:03:41 -0000 I seem to be having trouble with the new API on Ubuntu 12.04. I try to open up a connection to gpsd and I get a -1, unknown error. Here is the relevant code snippit: #if(GPSD_API_MAJOR_VERSION >= 5) int ret = gps_open("localhost","2947", gps); if(ret != 0) { qWarning("failed to open gps"); qDebug()<<"return value: "<setInterval(1000); connect(timer, SIGNAL(timeout()), this, SLOT(updateGpsposition())); timer->start(); } The old API still works. I'm wondering if I'm doing something obviously wrong with the new API. cheers,