From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 01 05:41:30 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CZRvO-0000vG-Hj for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 05:41:30 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZRvL-0000u1-Fu for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 05:41:27 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZRvJ-0000tI-UB for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 05:41:26 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZRvJ-0000tD-S5 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 05:41:25 -0500 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=main.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZRlE-0001Qm-L0 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 05:31:00 -0500 Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CZRlC-0004HO-00 for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:30:58 +0100 Received: from pc77.cemo.nioo.knaw.nl ([194.171.40.77]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:30:58 +0100 Received: from h.andersson by pc77.cemo.nioo.knaw.nl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:30:58 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org From: Henrik Andersson Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:21:10 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pc77.cemo.nioo.knaw.nl User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Sender: news Subject: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:41:28 -0000 I would like to change the default font, but I'm not sure to what? Does anyone have a good idea about a particular font which is easy to read and does not strain the eyes? --------------------------------------------- Henrik Andersson Netherlands Institute of Ecology - Centre for Estuarine and Marine Ecology P.O. Box 140 4400 AC Yerseke Phone: +31 113 577473 h.andersson@nioo.knaw.nl http://www.nioo.knaw.nl/ppages/handersson From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 01 05:44:18 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CZRy5-0002Ll-Rm for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 05:44:17 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZRy0-0002Iq-4u for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 05:44:12 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZRxy-0002Hj-JX for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 05:44:10 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZRxy-0002HX-ES for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 05:44:10 -0500 Received: from [193.129.86.178] (helo=TANKARD.brighton.climax.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZRoG-00029T-2e for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 05:34:08 -0500 Received: by tankard.brighton.climax.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:34:05 -0000 Message-ID: <56C9B4CE640B7044AAF74431F9C963E10343348F@tankard.brighton.climax.co.uk> From: Damyan Pepper To: 'Henrik Andersson' , help-emacs-windows@gnu.org Subject: RE: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:33:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:44:14 -0000 I like: -*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-11-82-96-96-c-*-iso8859-1 > -----Original Message----- > From: help-emacs-windows-bounces+dpepper=climaxgroup.com@gnu.org > [mailto:help-emacs-windows-bounces+dpepper=climaxgroup.com@gnu.org]On > Behalf Of Henrik Andersson > Sent: 01 December 2004 10:21 > To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org > Subject: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use > > > I would like to change the default font, but I'm not sure to what? > > Does anyone have a good idea about a particular font which is easy to > read and does not strain the eyes? > > --------------------------------------------- > Henrik Andersson > Netherlands Institute of Ecology - > Centre for Estuarine and Marine Ecology > P.O. Box 140 > 4400 AC Yerseke > Phone: +31 113 577473 > h.andersson@nioo.knaw.nl > http://www.nioo.knaw.nl/ppages/handersson > > > From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 01 06:59:29 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CZT8q-00087r-SB for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 06:59:29 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZT8p-00086q-3z for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 06:59:27 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZT8m-00085u-KH for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 06:59:24 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZT8m-00085l-Dv for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 06:59:24 -0500 Received: from [217.158.85.122] (helo=clive.cambridge-optical.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZSz3-0001rO-FD for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 06:49:21 -0500 Received: from SIRIUS.cambridge-optical.com (unknown [192.168.13.2]) by clive.cambridge-optical.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3E23377A for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:44:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: by sirius.cambridge-optical.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:49:11 -0000 Message-ID: <2C3D9CF879FB5141937D3A7CB93D66E2133317@sirius.cambridge-optical.com> From: "Mason, Michael M" To: "'help-emacs-windows@gnu.org'" Subject: RE: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:49:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:59:27 -0000 > I would like to change the default font, but I'm not sure to what? > > Does anyone have a good idea about a particular font which is easy > to read and does not strain the eyes? I like Andale Mono, which is a free Microsoft font. You can't download it from Microsoft any more, but I think you can get it from SourceForge or I could e-mail you a copy. It's freely distributable as long as it's supplied as the original self-installing EXE accompanied by a copy of the EULA. -- Michael From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 01 07:10:59 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CZTJz-00031V-Sn for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 07:10:59 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZTJx-00030x-FQ for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 07:10:57 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZTJx-00030k-0f for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 07:10:57 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZTJw-00030h-R9 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 07:10:56 -0500 Received: from [217.207.198.106] (helo=exchange.integrasp.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZT9u-0004aT-IP for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 07:00:35 -0500 Received: from ASSP-nospam (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by exchange.integrasp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SBWN85AA; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:00:01 -0000 Received: from 192.168.111.196 ([192.168.111.196] helo=[192.168.111.196]) by ASSP-nospam ; 1 Dec 04 12:00:00 -0000 Message-ID: <41ADB268.8080409@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:00:40 +0000 From: Jason Rumney User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mason, Michael M" Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use References: <2C3D9CF879FB5141937D3A7CB93D66E2133317@sirius.cambridge-optical.com> In-Reply-To: <2C3D9CF879FB5141937D3A7CB93D66E2133317@sirius.cambridge-optical.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030200020505080105010404" Cc: "'help-emacs-windows@gnu.org'" X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:10:57 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030200020505080105010404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mason, Michael M wrote: >>I would like to change the default font, but I'm not sure to what? >> >>Does anyone have a good idea about a particular font which is easy >>to read and does not strain the eyes? >> >> > >I like Andale Mono, which is a free Microsoft font. You can't download it >from Microsoft any more, but I think you can get it from SourceForge or I >could e-mail you a copy. It's freely distributable as long as it's supplied >as the original self-installing EXE accompanied by a copy of the EULA. > > Another alternative is "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono", which is available from http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10/ Like the other fonts people are recommending, it is a Sans Serif font (easier to read, especially at small sizes), and like Andale Mono it has very distinct differences between 0 and O and l, I and 1, (especially useful for O and 0, which are very close on the keyboard and easy to accidentally hit). --------------030200020505080105010404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mason, Michael M wrote:
I would like to change the default font, but I'm not sure to what?

Does anyone have a good idea about a particular font which is easy
to read and does not strain the eyes?
    

I like Andale Mono, which is a free Microsoft font.  You can't download it
from Microsoft any more, but I think you can get it from SourceForge or I
could e-mail you a copy.  It's freely distributable as long as it's supplied
as the original self-installing EXE accompanied by a copy of the EULA.
  
Another alternative is "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono", which is available from

http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10/

Like the other fonts people are recommending, it is a Sans Serif font (easier to read, especially at small sizes), and like Andale Mono it has very distinct differences between 0 and O and l, I  and 1, (especially useful for O and 0, which are very close on the keyboard and easy to accidentally hit).

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I use this size, by default: "-*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-14-112-96-96-c-*-iso8859-1" For any easy way to _zoom_ an Emacs frame, to change the font size, see command `doremi-font-size' in package `doremi-frm.el'. You can get it here: http://www.emacswiki.org/elisp/doremi-frm.el; additional doc is here: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/DoReMi. HTH, - Drew From: Damyan Pepper - -*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-11-82-96-96-c-*-iso8859-1 From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 01 12:52:29 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CZYeT-0000og-EK for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:52:29 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZYeR-0000oU-9G for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:52:27 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZYeQ-0000oB-Na for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:52:26 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZYeQ-0000o8-LB for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:52:26 -0500 Received: from [216.136.173.134] (helo=web12407.mail.yahoo.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZYU9-0004Uj-FI for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:41:49 -0500 Received: (qmail 51772 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2004 17:41:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=kQxW7a+yRqZ6wgpGO/SJYi8TwvpI/PXUi4mwwA10ODptPFIr3HtmkTgh9pmgcxlk5M3N4YNv2LxbMt5Ben/tcOlgRje2SEgHsRbqm89bQrUX55Vkn5c8qnkXX9uXFaEbpn7RPC37rLZ3OqS4murIDMDPDxFyVHzNEl4MPVF+Kv4= ; Message-ID: <20041201174138.51770.qmail@web12407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.95.150.205] by web12407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:41:32 PST Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:41:32 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Campbell Subject: RE: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use To: Drew Adams , Damyan Pepper , 'Henrik Andersson' , help-emacs-windows@gnu.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:52:27 -0000 --- Drew Adams wrote: > I too recommend Lucid Console. I use this size, by default: > > "-*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-14-112-96-96-c-*-iso8859-1" it's good, but for a really nice monofont, check out "Andale Mono". You'll never go back. From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 01 12:54:35 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CZYgU-0002h2-Sx for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:54:35 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZYgR-0002eR-RS for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:54:31 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZYgQ-0002db-LN for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:54:30 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZYgQ-0002dV-Dq for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:54:30 -0500 Received: from [216.136.173.131] (helo=web12404.mail.yahoo.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZYWi-00054s-Ji for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:44:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 99840 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2004 17:44:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=F0QXIQMBccSzUIj3Y/Fc8W2KK/FOaPJsz6BUGGAk2YXfLWrpRLJjpK8B8Gem1apWhAHKZquiMTGw8aWnWwt9Xi3IOuyQaTY6DSX73CmcCFComjsaMMmHXQ7EB7f+DCUbFsaJR1IJdewvPMYiaxfHS9AhOd7rNIrqjA58MV4+ZhE= ; Message-ID: <20041201174412.99838.qmail@web12404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.95.150.205] by web12404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:44:12 PST Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:44:12 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Campbell To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-e-w] How do I get emacs to stop ignoring .log files in tab-completion? X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:54:32 -0000 Subject pretty much says it, but when I want to read a log file, emacs won't tab-complete the name in the minibuffer. What's worse, I use log4j for a lot of things, ending up with a lot of timestamped log files, and emacs will autocomplete to the timestamped version. Where is the setting that tells it which file extensions to ignore during tab-complete, so I can change that to my liking? Thanks! From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 01 13:10:12 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CZYvc-0006hU-C2 for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:10:12 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZYva-0006gr-Uz for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:10:11 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZYvZ-0006gA-S4 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:10:10 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZYvZ-0006ft-LX for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:10:09 -0500 Received: from [217.207.198.106] (helo=exchange.integrasp.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZYlf-0000Jm-UM for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:59:56 -0500 Received: from ASSP-nospam (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by exchange.integrasp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SBWN85P6; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:59:22 -0000 Received: from 192.168.111.196 ([192.168.111.196] helo=[192.168.111.196]) by ASSP-nospam ; 1 Dec 04 17:59:22 -0000 Message-ID: <41AE06A2.7050803@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:00:02 +0000 From: Jason Rumney User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Campbell Subject: Re: [h-e-w] How do I get emacs to stop ignoring .log files in tab-completion? References: <20041201174412.99838.qmail@web12404.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041201174412.99838.qmail@web12404.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:10:11 -0000 Michael Campbell wrote: >Where is the setting that tells it which file extensions to ignore >during tab-complete, so I can change that to my liking? > > completion-ignored-extensions From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 01 14:25:27 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CZa6R-0004lG-Pr for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:25:27 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZa6Q-0004lB-PZ for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:25:26 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZa6Q-0004kz-C3 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:25:26 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZa6Q-0004kw-A5 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:25:26 -0500 Received: from [129.34.20.6] (helo=igw2.watson.ibm.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZZwj-0008TD-AR for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:15:25 -0500 Received: from sp1n293en1.watson.ibm.com (sp1n293en1.watson.ibm.com [129.34.20.41]) by igw2.watson.ibm.com (8.11.7-20030924/8.11.4) with ESMTP id iB1JFA3163752; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:15:11 -0500 Received: from sp1n293en1.watson.ibm.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sp1n293en1.watson.ibm.com (8.11.7-20030924/8.11.7/01-14-2004_2) with ESMTP id iB1JFNB128430; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:15:23 -0500 Received: from alpha.watson.ibm.com (alpha.watson.ibm.com [9.2.16.245]) by sp1n293en1.watson.ibm.com (8.11.7-20030924/8.11.7/01-14-2004_1) with ESMTP id iB1JFMA128428; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:15:23 -0500 Received: (from kgold@localhost) by alpha.watson.ibm.com (AIX5.1/8.11.6p2/8.11.0/03-06-2002) id iB1JFJY55210; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:15:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:15:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200412011915.iB1JFJY55210@alpha.watson.ibm.com> X-Authentication-Warning: alpha.watson.ibm.com: kgold set sender to kgold@watson.ibm.com using -f From: Ken Goldman To: michael_s_campbell@yahoo.com In-reply-to: <20041201174412.99838.qmail@web12404.mail.yahoo.com> (message from Michael Campbell on Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:44:12 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: [h-e-w] How do I get emacs to stop ignoring .log files in tab-completion? References: <20041201174412.99838.qmail@web12404.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 19:25:27 -0000 > Subject pretty much says it, but when I want to read a log file, > emacs won't tab-complete the name in the minibuffer. What's worse, I > use log4j for a lot of things ... (setq completion-ignored-extensions (delete ".log" completion-ignored-extensions)) Bonus: My log4j mode (defface font-lock-fatal-face '((((type tty) (class color)) (:foreground "red" )) (t )) "Font Lock mode face used to highlight fatal errors." :group 'font-lock-highlighting-faces) (define-generic-mode 'log4j-mode '("#") '("WARN" "INFO" "DEBUG") '( ("ERROR" . 'paren-face-mismatch) ("INFO" . 'font-lock-constant-face) ("WARN" . 'font-lock-type-face) ("FATAL" . 'font-lock-fatal-face) ) '(".log4j\\'") nil "Major mode for editing log4j logs") -- Ken Goldman kgold@watson.ibm.com 914-784-7646 From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 01 20:20:01 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CZfdX-0004NF-D1 for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:20:00 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZfdU-0004Mf-Mr for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:19:56 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZfdS-0004Lj-Oe for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:19:55 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZfdS-0004Lg-LX for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:19:54 -0500 Received: from [212.247.154.193] (helo=mailfe07.swip.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZfTf-0003Rx-CS; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:09:47 -0500 X-T2-Posting-ID: tZ4E9ZU+aS9yNnXg3wPAvw== Received: from [213.101.87.142] (HELO fusionficteoen) by mailfe07.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.6) with SMTP id 36159189; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 02:09:44 +0100 Message-ID: <003901c4d80b$aab27b00$8e5765d5@fusionficteoen> From: "August" To: "Jason Rumney" , "Mason, Michael M" References: <2C3D9CF879FB5141937D3A7CB93D66E2133317@sirius.cambridge-optical.com> <41ADB268.8080409@gnu.org> Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 02:10:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:19:57 -0000 Is there any bitmap (non-true type) version of the Bitstream Vera Sans Mono font? On my display most True Type fonts in Emacs are not very sharp. Regards, August ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Rumney To: Mason, Michael M Cc: 'help-emacs-windows@gnu.org' Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use Mason, Michael M wrote: I would like to change the default font, but I'm not sure to what? Does anyone have a good idea about a particular font which is easy to read and does not strain the eyes? I like Andale Mono, which is a free Microsoft font. You can't download it from Microsoft any more, but I think you can get it from SourceForge or I could e-mail you a copy. It's freely distributable as long as it's supplied as the original self-installing EXE accompanied by a copy of the EULA. Another alternative is "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono", which is available from http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10/ Like the other fonts people are recommending, it is a Sans Serif font (easier to read, especially at small sizes), and like Andale Mono it has very distinct differences between 0 and O and l, I and 1, (especially useful for O and 0, which are very close on the keyboard and easy to accidentally hit). From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 02 04:18:39 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CZn6k-0003E3-Ky for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:18:38 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZn6i-0003CQ-5i for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:18:36 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZn6f-0003BB-I5 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:18:34 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZn6f-0003B3-6r for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:18:33 -0500 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CZmwp-0001v8-7V for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:08:23 -0500 Received: from wanchan.jasonrumney.net (i-195-137-77-250.freedom2surf.net [195.137.77.250]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB298GnF031824; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:08:16 GMT Received: from TONKOTSU-RAMEN (tonkotsu-ramen.jasonrumney.net [10.0.0.28]) by wanchan.jasonrumney.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F04DDD47; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:08:16 +0000 (GMT) To: "August" Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use References: <2C3D9CF879FB5141937D3A7CB93D66E2133317@sirius.cambridge-optical.com> <41ADB268.8080409@gnu.org> <003901c4d80b$aab27b00$8e5765d5@fusionficteoen> From: Jason Rumney Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 09:08:00 +0000 In-Reply-To: <003901c4d80b$aab27b00$8e5765d5@fusionficteoen> (August's message of "Thu, 2 Dec 2004 02:10:08 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org, "Mason, Michael M" X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 09:18:37 -0000 "August" writes: > Is there any bitmap (non-true type) version of the Bitstream Vera Sans > Mono font? On my display most True Type fonts in Emacs are not very > sharp. Bitstream Vera has bitmaps to cover smaller sizes, as do most Truetype fonts. Perhaps what you are seeing is "Cleartype", which you can turn off in the Display Properties (Appearance tab, Effects...). From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 02 12:38:17 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CZuuH-0008Og-R5 for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:38:17 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZuuG-0008NW-6a for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:38:16 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CZuuF-0008NK-Op for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:38:15 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZuuF-0008NH-Mt for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:38:15 -0500 Received: from [63.148.37.131] (helo=phononexchange.PHONON.COM) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CZukd-0000Ed-DV for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:28:19 -0500 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:28:17 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: help-emacs-windows Digest, Vol 16, Issue 2 thread-index: AcTYjwmHEZemgvgbSlWo5tpuUTw1twABB+0Q From: "Raymond Zeitler" To: Subject: [h-e-w] RE: Suggestion of a good font standard font to use X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:38:16 -0000 I've been using FixedSys for over a year. (font . "-raster-Fixedsys-normal-r-normal-normal-12-90-96-96-c-*-iso10646-1") -----Original Message----- =20 Mason, Michael M wrote: I would like to change the default font, but I'm not sure to what? Does anyone have a good idea about a particular font which is easy to read and does not strain the eyes? From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 02 20:51:53 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca2bx-0006vO-03 for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:51:53 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca2bu-0006vH-KK for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:51:50 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca2bu-0006v4-4F for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:51:50 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca2bu-0006v1-0G for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:51:50 -0500 Received: from [212.247.154.225] (helo=mailfe08.swip.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ca2Ry-00066x-Ht for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:41:34 -0500 X-T2-Posting-ID: tZ4E9ZU+aS9yNnXg3wPAvw== Received: from [213.101.91.26] (HELO fusionficteoen) by mailfe08.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.6) with SMTP id 36795425 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 02:41:31 +0100 Message-ID: <004601c4d8d9$393cdf50$1a5b65d5@fusionficteoen> From: "August" To: References: <2C3D9CF879FB5141937D3A7CB93D66E2133317@sirius.cambridge-optical.com> <41ADB268.8080409@gnu.org> Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 02:41:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C4D8E1.93C99780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 01:51:50 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C4D8E1.93C99780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I use the "Standard" option. Selecting "Cleartype" or None does=20 not affect Emacs. The problem is that TrueType and PostScript fonts=20 (font names beginning with -outline- in Emacs) that don't contain=20 embedded bitmaps for smaller font sizes are either anti-aliased and=20 somewhat blurred (e.g. Bitstream Vera Sans Mono 8pt) or jagged (e.g.=20 Type 1 Lucida Console 9pt ). I really like the Bitstream Vera Sans=20 Mono font though. -- August ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jason Rumney=20 To: Mason, Michael M=20 Cc: 'help-emacs-windows@gnu.org'=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use Mason, Michael M wrote:=20 I would like to change the default font, but I'm not sure to what? Does anyone have a good idea about a particular font which is easy to read and does not strain the eyes? =20 I like Andale Mono, which is a free Microsoft font. You can't download = it from Microsoft any more, but I think you can get it from SourceForge or = I could e-mail you a copy. It's freely distributable as long as it's = supplied as the original self-installing EXE accompanied by a copy of the EULA. Another alternative is "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono", which is available = from=20 http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10/ Like the other fonts people are recommending, it is a Sans Serif font = (easier to read, especially at small sizes), and like Andale Mono it has = very distinct differences between 0 and O and l, I and 1, (especially = useful for O and 0, which are very close on the keyboard and easy to = accidentally hit). ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C4D8E1.93C99780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No, I use the=20 "Standard" option. Selecting "Cleartype"  or None does
not = affect=20 Emacs. The problem is that TrueType and PostScript fonts
(font names = beginning with -outline- in Emacs) that don't contain
embedded = bitmaps for=20 smaller font sizes are either anti-aliased and
somewhat blurred = (e.g.=20 Bitstream Vera Sans Mono 8pt) or jagged (e.g.
Type 1 Lucida Console = 9pt ). I=20 really like the Bitstream Vera Sans
Mono font though.

--=20 August

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jason = Rumney
To: Mason, Michael M =
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, = 2004 1:00=20 PM
Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Suggestion = of a good=20 font standard font to use

Mason, Michael M wrote:=20
I would like to change the =
default font, but I'm not sure to what?

Does anyone have a good idea about a particular font which is easy
to read and does not strain the eyes?
    

I like Andale Mono, which is a free Microsoft font.  You can't download =
it
from Microsoft any more, but I think you can get it from SourceForge or =
I
could e-mail you a copy.  It's freely distributable as long as it's =
supplied
as the original self-installing EXE accompanied by a copy of the EULA.
  
Another alternative is "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono", = which=20 is available from

= http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10/
Like=20 the other fonts people are recommending, it is a Sans Serif font = (easier to=20 read, especially at small sizes), and like Andale Mono it has very = distinct=20 differences between 0 and O and l, I  and 1, (especially useful = for O and=20 0, which are very close on the keyboard and easy to accidentally=20 hit).

------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C4D8E1.93C99780-- From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 03 12:08:06 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CaGuc-0001b1-HE for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:08:06 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CaGub-0001aR-7p for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:08:05 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CaGuZ-0001Zl-Uo for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:08:04 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CaGuZ-0001Zi-Qa for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:08:03 -0500 Received: from [141.146.126.231] (helo=agminet04.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CaGkr-0005mj-0X for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:58:01 -0500 Received: from rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (rgmgw3.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.12]) by agminet04.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iB3Gvvah016250; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:57:57 -0800 Received: from rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iB3Gvu31003673; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:57:56 -0700 Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id iB3Gvu7t003660; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:57:56 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "August" , Subject: RE: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:57:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C4D916.2E5692B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <004601c4d8d9$393cdf50$1a5b65d5@fusionficteoen> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 17:08:05 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C4D916.2E5692B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are you speaking about smoothing the edges of screen fonts? It works fine for me. Right-click display > Properties > Appearance > Effects > Use the following method to smooth edges of screen fonts > ClearType. It's one of the main reasons I prefer to use Emacs on Windows. - Drew Selecting "Cleartype" or None does not affect Emacs. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C4D916.2E5692B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Are=20 you speaking about smoothing the edges of screen fonts? It works fine = for me.=20 Right-click display > Properties >=20 Appearance > Effects > = Use the=20 following method to smooth edges of screen fonts >=20 ClearType. It's one of the main reasons I prefer to use = Emacs=20 on Windows.
 
   - Drew
Selecting = "Cleartype"  or None=20 does not affect Emacs.
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C4D916.2E5692B0-- From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 03 12:39:26 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CaHOv-0002NP-Ld for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:39:25 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CaHOu-0002KY-BU for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:39:24 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CaHOt-0002Jm-Ba for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:39:23 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CaHOt-0002J8-08 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:39:23 -0500 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=main.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CaHEo-0004E5-Qe for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:28:59 -0500 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CaHEn-0004Oi-00 for ; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 18:28:57 +0100 Received: from chrsc2.ikp.liu.se ([130.236.35.73]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 18:28:57 +0100 Received: from cs-usenet by chrsc2.ikp.liu.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 18:28:57 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org From: Christian Schlauer Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 18:28:45 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <004601c4d8d9$393cdf50$1a5b65d5@fusionficteoen> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: chrsc2.ikp.liu.se User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (windows-nt) Sender: news Subject: [h-e-w] Re: Suggestion of a good font standard font to use X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cs-usenet@arcor.de List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 17:39:24 -0000 "Drew Adams" writes: > Are you speaking about smoothing the edges of screen fonts? It works > fine for me. Right-click display > Properties > > Appearance > Effects > Use > the following method to smooth edges of screen fonts > > ClearType. Which Emacs version are you using? This works for me, too, in 21.3.50, but it doesn't in 21.3. I agree it's very nice. > It's one of the main reasons I prefer to use Emacs on Windows. Is this really not working at all on GNU/Linux? It's somehow strange that there is something in Emacs that works better on Windows than on GNU/Linux... -- Christian Schlauer From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 06 15:10:10 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CbPBS-00011x-FV for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:10:10 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbPBQ-00011a-49 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:10:08 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbPBP-00011H-7V for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:10:07 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CbPBO-000117-Ru for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:10:06 -0500 Received: from [204.127.202.56] (helo=sccrmhc12.comcast.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CbP12-0001F3-P5 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:59:25 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (c-67-180-30-12.client.comcast.net[67.180.30.12]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2004120619592301200as3r9e>; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:59:23 +0000 Message-ID: <41B4BA25.5020805@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:59:33 -0800 From: Beverley Eyre User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.2 (Windows/20040707) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Drew Adams , help-emacs-windows@gnu.org Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000700030408090804060009" Cc: X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 20:10:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000700030408090804060009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What version of Windows are you using? I'm using 2K, and I don't have "Effects" as an option under "Appearance". Does anyone know whether this is possible under 2K? thanks Bev Drew Adams wrote: > Are you speaking about smoothing the edges of screen fonts? It works > fine for me. Right-click display > *Properties* > *Appearance* > > *Effects* > *Use the following method to smooth edges of screen fonts* > > *ClearType*. It's one of the main reasons I prefer to use Emacs on > Windows. > > - Drew > > Selecting "Cleartype" or None does not affect Emacs. > -- _ _____ \ )__ \ )_ \ / \/ --------------000700030408090804060009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
What version of Windows are you using? I'm using 2K, and I don't have "Effects" as an option under "Appearance". Does anyone know whether this is possible under 2K?

thanks

Bev


Drew Adams wrote:
Are you speaking about smoothing the edges of screen fonts? It works fine for me. Right-click display > Properties > Appearance > Effects > Use the following method to smooth edges of screen fonts > ClearType. It's one of the main reasons I prefer to use Emacs on Windows.
 
   - Drew
Selecting "Cleartype"  or None does not affect Emacs.


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--------------000700030408090804060009-- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 06 15:23:09 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CbPNs-0005TK-Lu for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:23:02 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbPNn-0005Rr-OX for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:22:55 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbPNk-0005Qp-S2 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:22:53 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CbPNk-0005PN-KT; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:22:52 -0500 Received: from [204.152.47.133] (helo=dommail2.nyiso.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CbPCE-0003TF-AZ; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:10:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: <41B4BA25.5020805@comcast.net> To: Beverley Eyre Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.1 January 21, 2004 Message-ID: From: EScott@nyiso.com Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:10:25 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DomMail2/NYISO(Release 6.51HF99 | March 17, 2004) at 12/06/2004 15:10:57, Serialize complete at 12/06/2004 15:10:57 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 006ED19E85256F62_=" Cc: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org, help-emacs-windows-bounces+escott=nyiso.com@gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 20:22:57 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006ED19E85256F62_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > Drew Adams wrote: > Are you speaking about smoothing the edges of screen fonts? It works > fine for me. Right-click display > Properties > Appearance > Effects > > Use the following method to smooth edges of screen fonts > ClearType > . It's one of the main reasons I prefer to use Emacs on Windows. > > - Drew > Selecting "Cleartype" or None does not affect Emacs. > help-emacs-windows-bounces+escott=nyiso.com@gnu.org wrote on 12/06/2004 02:59:33 PM: > > What version of Windows are you using? I'm using 2K, and I don't > have "Effects" as an option under "Appearance". Does anyone know > whether this is possible under 2K? > > thanks > > Bev Right-click display > Properties > Effects. Try "smooth edges of screen fonts" Eric --=_alternative 006ED19E85256F62_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
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> Are you speaking about smoothing the edges of screen fonts? It works
> fine for me. Right-click display > Properties > Appearance > Effects >
> Use the following method to smooth edges of screen fonts > ClearType
> . It's one of the main reasons I prefer to use Emacs on Windows.

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>    - Drew
> Selecting "Cleartype"  or None does not affect Emacs.
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help-emacs-windows-bounces+escott=nyiso.com@gnu.org wrote on 12/06/2004 02:59:33 PM:

>
> What version of Windows are you using? I'm using 2K, and I don't
> have "Effects" as an option under "Appearance". Does anyone know
> whether this is possible under 2K?
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> thanks
>
> Bev


Right-click display > Properties > Effects.  Try "smooth edges of screen fonts"

Eric
--=_alternative 006ED19E85256F62_=-- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 06 16:32:22 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CbQT0-0005lY-0y for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:32:22 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbQSy-0005l4-At for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:32:20 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbQSx-0005kj-Fu for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:32:19 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CbQSx-0005kN-Bd for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:32:19 -0500 Received: from [199.46.198.233] (helo=bos-gate4.raytheon.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CbQIl-0000KJ-Kr for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:21:47 -0500 Received: from ds02e00.directory.ray.com (ds02e00.directory.ray.com [147.25.130.245]) by bos-gate4.raytheon.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB6LLaO6026134; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ds02e00 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ds02e00.directory.ray.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iB6LLNuV014888; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:21:24 GMT Received: from ds02e00.directory.ray.com with LMTP by ds02e00 (2.0.6/sieved-2-0-build-559); Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:21:22 +0000 Received: from tu2-mta01.rsc.raytheon.com (tu2-mta01.RSC.RAYTHEON.COM [147.24.232.78]) by ds02e00.directory.ray.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iB6LK9lA014482 sender sarir.khamsi@raytheon.com; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:20:24 GMT Received: from ZTUAC763013 ([147.24.52.80]) by tu2-msg07.rsc.raytheon.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.52HF311) with ESMTP id 2004120614214991-124 ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:21:49 -0700 To: Beverley Eyre Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use References: <41B4BA25.5020805@comcast.net> From: Sarir Khamsi Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:20:17 -0700 In-Reply-To: <41B4BA25.5020805@comcast.net> (Beverley Eyre's message of "Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:59:33 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-SPAM: 0.00 Cc: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:32:20 -0000 Beverley Eyre writes: > What version of Windows are you using? I'm using 2K, and I don't have > "Effects" as an option under "Appearance". Does anyone know whether this is > possible under 2K? I have Win2K and if you right-click on the desktop and select Properties, you will see an Effects tab. There's a "Smooth edges for screen fonts" checkbox there. Sarir From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 06 16:48:53 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CbQiz-0001LY-6R for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:48:53 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbQiw-0001L5-EA for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:48:50 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbQiv-0001KU-7d for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:48:49 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CbQiv-0001K7-1c for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:48:49 -0500 Received: from [204.127.202.56] (helo=sccrmhc12.comcast.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CbQXf-0003IZ-EM for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:37:11 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (c-67-180-30-12.client.comcast.net[67.180.30.12]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2004120621370901200asjcqe>; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:37:10 +0000 Message-ID: <41B4D10E.90201@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:37:18 -0800 From: Beverley Eyre User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.2 (Windows/20040707) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Raymond Zeitler , help-emacs-windows@gnu.org Subject: Re: [h-e-w] RE: Suggestion of a good font standard font to use References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:48:50 -0000 Raymond, I've also been using Fixedsys and like it. I have a question in this regard. Unitl I saw your font assignment statement below I hadn't known how to make the fonts you get by shift-left_click (the fonts installed in Windows) properly put into the kind of form you used below. Is there some place where this is expressly described? For example, the "raster" value in the foundry variable is new to me, and I'm not sure whether this would apply to all Windows-installed fonts, or just some? Thanks Bev -- _ _____ \ )__ \ )_ \ / \/ Raymond Zeitler wrote: >I've been using FixedSys for over a year. > >(font . >"-raster-Fixedsys-normal-r-normal-normal-12-90-96-96-c-*-iso10646-1") >-----Original Message----- > >Mason, Michael M wrote: >I would like to change the default font, but I'm not sure to what? > >Does anyone have a good idea about a particular font which is easy >to read and does not strain the eyes? > > > > > > From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 06 17:22:29 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CbRFV-0006aY-6Q for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:22:29 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbRFT-0006Zy-9k for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:22:27 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbRFS-0006ZZ-7D for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:22:26 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CbRFS-0006ZT-2V for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:22:26 -0500 Received: from [216.240.32.16] (helo=delight.idiom.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CbR5W-0001US-Tv for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:12:11 -0500 Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by delight.idiom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE311AF27B for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:12:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from idiom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by idiom.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB6MC1Gb045756; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:12:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ixian@idiom.com) Received: (from ixian@localhost) by idiom.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iB6MC1SE045741; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:12:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ixian) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16820.55601.35017.909419@idiom.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:12:01 -0800 From: Eric De Mund To: X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under Emacs 21.2.1 X-Humans-Reply-To: Eric De Mund X-Fax: 240.282.4443 X-URL: X-Mailer: GNU Emacs 21.2.1 (i386--freebsd) X-pom: The Moon is Waning Crescent (32% of Full) Organization: Ixian Systems, Inc. Subject: [h-e-w] Re: Suggestion of a good font standard font to use X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric De Mund List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:22:27 -0000 All, ] Does anyone have a good idea about a particular font which is easy to ] read and does not strain the eyes? Because these are all easy on the eyes, I use: - sixbyten (very nice for coding and viewing volumes of output in an rxvt(1); cf. ) - vt100 (also very nice; taken from VanDyke's SecureCRT--and probably CRT-- product; cf. ) - Courier New - Courier - Lucida Console (very nice sans serif font) Here is the "set-default-font" section of my .emacs file: :::::::: CUT HERE :::::::: ;;----------------- ;; set default font ;;----------------- (cond ((string= window-system "w32") ;; MS Windows-specific ;; To see the name of the font selected by M-x mouse-set-font, evaluate ;; the expression (insert (prin1-to-string (w32-select-font))). ; (set-default-font "-*-Courier-normal-r-*-*-13-97-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-") ; (set-default-font "-*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-15-112-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-") ; (set-default-font "-*-Courier-normal-r-*-*-13-97-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-") ; (set-default-font "-*-vt100-normal-r-*-*-13-97-96-96-c-*-iso8859-1") ; (set-default-font "-outline-Verdana-normal-r-normal-normal-11-82-96-96-p-*-iso10646-1") (set-default-font "-raster-sixbyten-normal-r-normal-normal-10-75-96-96-c-60-iso8859-1") ;; --------[ Courier/Regular/* ]-------- ;; Courier/Reg/10 "-*-Courier-normal-r-*-*-13-97-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; --------[ Courier/Bold/* ]-------- ;; Courier/Bold/9 "-*-Courier-bold-r-*-*-12-90-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier/Bold/10 "-*-Courier-bold-r-*-*-13-97-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; --------[ Courier New/Regular/* ]-------- ;; Courier New/Reg/8 "-*-Courier New-normal-r-*-*-11-82-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Reg/9 "-*-Courier New-normal-r-*-*-12-90-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Reg/10 "-*-Courier New-normal-r-*-*-13-97-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Reg/11 "-*-Courier New-normal-r-*-*-15-112-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Reg/12 "-*-Courier New-normal-r-*-*-16-120-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Reg/14 "-*-Courier New-normal-r-*-*-19-142-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Reg/16 "-*-Courier New-normal-r-*-*-21-157-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Reg/18 "-*-Courier New-normal-r-*-*-24-180-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Reg/20 "-*-Courier New-normal-r-*-*-27-202-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Reg/22 "-*-Courier New-normal-r-*-*-29-217-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Reg/24 "-*-Courier New-normal-r-*-*-32-240-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Reg/26 "-*-Courier New-normal-r-*-*-35-262-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Reg/28 "-*-Courier New-normal-r-*-*-37-277-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Reg/36 "-*-Courier New-normal-r-*-*-48-360-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Reg/48 "-*-Courier New-normal-r-*-*-64-480-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Reg/72 "-*-Courier New-normal-r-*-*-96-720-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; --------[ Courier New/Bold/* ]-------- ;; Courier New/Bold/8 "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-11-82-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Bold/9 "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-12-90-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Bold/10 "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-13-97-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Bold/11 "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-15-112-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Bold/12 "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-16-120-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Bold/14 "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-19-142-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Bold/16 "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-21-157-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Bold/18 "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-24-180-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Bold/20 "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-27-202-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Bold/22 "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-29-217-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Bold/24 "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-32-240-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Bold/26 "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-35-262-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Bold/28 "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-37-277-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Bold/36 "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-48-360-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Bold/48 "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-64-480-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Courier New/Bold/72 "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-96-720-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; --------[ vt100/Regular/* ]-------- ;; vt100/Reg/5 "-*-vt100-normal-r-*-*-7-52-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; vt100/Reg/8 "-*-vt100-normal-r-*-*-11-82-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; vt100/Reg/10 "-*-vt100-normal-r-*-*-13-97-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; vt100/Reg/11 "-*-vt100-normal-r-*-*-15-112-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; vt100/Reg/15 "-*-vt100-normal-r-*-*-20-150-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; --------[ vt100/Bold/* ]-------- ;; vt100/Bold/5 "-*-vt100-bold-r-*-*-7-52-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; vt100/Bold/8 "-*-vt100-bold-r-*-*-11-82-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; vt100/Bold/10 "-*-vt100-bold-r-*-*-13-97-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; vt100/Bold/11 "-*-vt100-bold-r-*-*-15-112-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; vt100/Bold/15 "-*-vt100-bold-r-*-*-20-150-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; --------[ Lucida Console/Regular/* (Script: Western) ]-------- ;; Lucida Cons/Reg/8 "-*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-11-82-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Lucida Cons/Reg/9 "-*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-12-90-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Lucida Cons/Reg/10 "-*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-13-97-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Lucida Cons/Reg/11 "-*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-15-112-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Lucida Cons/Reg/12 "-*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-16-120-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Lucida Cons/Reg/14 "-*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-19-142-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Lucida Cons/Bold/8 "-*-Lucida Console-bold-r-*-*-11-82-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Lucida Cons/Bold/9 "-*-Lucida Console-bold-r-*-*-12-90-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Lucida Cons/Bold/10 "-*-Lucida Console-bold-r-*-*-13-97-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Lucida Cons/Bold/11 "-*-Lucida Console-bold-r-*-*-15-112-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Lucida Cons/Bold/12 "-*-Lucida Console-bold-r-*-*-16-120-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;; Lucida Cons/Bold/13 "-*-Lucida Console-bold-r-*-*-19-142-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" ;;--------------------------- ;; set default frame position ;;--------------------------- ;; MS Windows-specific (setq default-frame-alist '((top . 49) (left . 147) (width . 80) (height . 60)) ) ) ((string= window-system "x") (set-default-font "6x10") ) ) :::::::: CUT HERE :::::::: The w32 section is not cleaned up at the top because I've at least temp- orarily achieved escape velocity from the Windows world and am back in UNIX. Even so, some might find it useful. Regards, Eric -- "In the skin of our fingers we can see the trail of the wind; it shows us where the wind blew when our ancestors were created." --Navajo Legend Eric De Mund | Ixian Systems, Inc. | 53 49 B2 23 AF 6C 20 81 http://www.ixian.com/ead/ | Mountain View, CA | ED DD 4C 81 AA C9 D1 A5 From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 06 18:38:51 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CbSRP-0002xx-Dt for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:38:51 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbSRN-0002xp-QS for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:38:49 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbSRN-0002xc-E0 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:38:49 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CbSRN-0002xZ-AN for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:38:49 -0500 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CbSH7-0007mk-0r for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:28:13 -0500 Received: from wanchan.jasonrumney.net (i-195-137-77-250.freedom2surf.net [195.137.77.250]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB6NSAnF012760; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:28:10 GMT Received: from TONKOTSU-RAMEN (tonkotsu-ramen.jasonrumney.net [10.0.0.28]) by wanchan.jasonrumney.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1C4DDD43; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:28:10 +0000 (GMT) To: Beverley Eyre Subject: Re: [h-e-w] RE: Suggestion of a good font standard font to use References: <41B4D10E.90201@comcast.net> From: Jason Rumney Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:27:52 +0000 In-Reply-To: <41B4D10E.90201@comcast.net> (Beverley Eyre's message of "Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:37:18 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org, Raymond Zeitler X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:38:50 -0000 Beverley Eyre writes: > I've also been using Fixedsys and like it. I have a question in this > regard. Unitl I saw your font assignment statement below I hadn't known > how to make the fonts you get by shift-left_click (the fonts installed in > Windows) properly put into the kind of form you used below. Is there some > place where this is expressly described? For example, the "raster" value in > the foundry variable is new to me, and I'm not sure whether this would apply > to all Windows-installed fonts, or just some? Windows fonts will have either "raster" or "outline" in the foundry field, since the actual foundry is not easily available from Windows (truetype fonts do have an integer field that is supposed to indicate foundry, but lists of what foundrys are assigned what numbers are not publically available AFAIK) so we might as well put some potentially useful information about the font there. You can get the full XFLD name for any font by inserting the following in *scratch* and pressing Ctrl-J at the end of the line: (w32-select-font) From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 07 08:52:53 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1Cbflt-0001qK-G6 for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 08:52:53 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbPri-0004uP-1p for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:53:50 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbPrh-0004u2-6w for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:53:49 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CbPrh-0004tz-3x for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:53:49 -0500 Received: from [131.107.3.124] (helo=mail2.microsoft.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CbPhs-0001Uh-0s for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:43:40 -0500 Received: from mailout2.microsoft.com ([157.54.1.120]) by mail2.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:43:48 -0800 Received: from red-hub-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.7.71]) by mailout2.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:43:37 -0800 Received: from win-imc-02.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com ([157.54.0.84]) by red-hub-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1277); Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:43:37 -0800 Received: from WIN-MSG-10.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com ([157.54.12.81]) by win-imc-02.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1277); Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:43:37 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:44:31 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use thread-index: AcTbzkEAN8C1do9gRy2sErjgACEB6QABgDBQ From: "Ben Luna" To: "Beverley Eyre" , "Drew Adams" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2004 20:43:37.0559 (UTC) FILETIME=[42ECEE70:01C4DBD4] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 08:52:51 -0500 Cc: X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 20:53:50 -0000 >=20 > What version of Windows are you using? I'm using 2K, and I don't have > "Effects" as an option under "Appearance". Does anyone know whether this > is possible under 2K? This feature first shipped with Windows XP. Ben From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 07 10:46:27 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CbhXn-0004HN-GS for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:46:27 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbhXl-0004HI-6S for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:46:25 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbhXk-0004H6-Na for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:46:24 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CbhXk-0004H3-JZ for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:46:24 -0500 Received: from [63.148.37.131] (helo=phononexchange.PHONON.COM) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CbhNe-0007IH-RO; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:36:00 -0500 Subject: RE: [h-e-w] RE: Suggestion of a good font standard font to use MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:35:58 -0500 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-e-w] RE: Suggestion of a good font standard font to use thread-index: AcTb9SN5ZLHxpxU4TYy6Mo4Yq6z6FwAeysvg From: "Raymond Zeitler" To: "Jason Rumney" , "Beverley Eyre" Cc: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:46:25 -0000 It is hard to figure out the syntax of the font assignment statement. I thought I'd find it mentioned in the FAQs (I checked both the FAQ for Win32 and the regular Emacs FAQ.) Searching the Manual for font reveals many topics on fontify and font-lock, but nothing on how to change the font. Then I remembered that there was a command to describe a character. Doing M-x apropos, I found the interactive function `describe-char-after'. So the way I came up with the font assignment statement is to first select the font using S-mouse-1 (shift mouse click) in a buffer. This opens the Windows font dialog. Then I chose FixedSys. Then I did M-x describe-char-after, which displays in the *Message* buffer everything you wanted to know about a character in the buffer, including the font it's displayed with. After reading this thread I decided to try Bitstream Vera Sans Mono. I liked it so much, I decided to switch. It seems to look better with the faces that planner.el uses and takes up less screen space. All the best! =20 -----Original Message----- From: Jason Rumney [mailto:jasonr@gnu.org] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:28 PM To: Beverley Eyre Cc: Raymond Zeitler; help-emacs-windows@gnu.org Subject: Re: [h-e-w] RE: Suggestion of a good font standard font to use Beverley Eyre writes: > I've also been using Fixedsys and like it. I have a question in this > regard. Unitl I saw your font assignment statement below I hadn't known > how to make the fonts you get by shift-left_click (the fonts installed in > Windows) properly put into the kind of form you used below. Is there some > place where this is expressly described? For example, the "raster" value in > the foundry variable is new to me, and I'm not sure whether this would apply > to all Windows-installed fonts, or just some? Windows fonts will have either "raster" or "outline" in the foundry field, since the actual foundry is not easily available from Windows (truetype fonts do have an integer field that is supposed to indicate foundry, but lists of what foundrys are assigned what numbers are not publically available AFAIK) so we might as well put some potentially useful information about the font there. You can get the full XFLD name for any font by inserting the following in *scratch* and pressing Ctrl-J at the end of the line: (w32-select-font) From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 07 12:57:27 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CbjaZ-000668-MK for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:57:27 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbjaX-00065F-IR for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:57:25 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbjaW-00064p-Pi for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:57:25 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CbjaW-00064f-LL for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:57:24 -0500 Received: from [149.173.6.5] (helo=merc95.na.sas.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CbjQ4-0000Nz-MH for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:46:36 -0500 Received: from mozart.unx.sas.com ([10.19.150.41]) by merc95.na.sas.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:47:02 -0500 Received: from D4566.d5120.us.sas.com (sasdjb@D4566.na.sas.com [10.26.11.241]) by mozart.unx.sas.com (8.11.1 (Revision 1.5+JAGae91741) /8.11.1) with ESMTP id iB7HkYC23062 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:46:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:46:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200412071746.iB7HkYC23062@mozart.unx.sas.com> From: "David J. Biesack" To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-e-w] Resizing a frame's font X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:57:26 -0000 The recent discussion of font choice, coupled with a thread in another forum discussing the Mozilla Firefox browser inspired me to write up the following Elisp functions. ;; font-resize.el ;; David Biesack David.Biesack@sas.com ;; ;; This file is not part of GNU Emacs. ;; ;;; Commentary: ;; Functions to change the default font size of the current buffer, ;; similar to how Mozilla Firefox changes the font with C-KP-Add, C-KP-Subtract ;;; Code: (defun font-increase (arg) "Increase the current frame's default font by twice arg. Arg may be negative to decrease the font size." (interactive "p") (font-resize (* 2 arg))) (defun font-decrease (arg) "Decrease the current frame's default font by twice arg. Arg may be negative to increase the font size." (interactive "p") (font-resize (* -2 arg))) (defun font-resize (arg) "Increase the current frame's default font by arg. Arg may be negative to decrease the font size." (interactive "p") (let ((font (cdr (assoc 'font (frame-parameters)))) size new-font new-size) (string-match "\\(-\\w+-[^-]+-\\w+-.-\\w+-\\w+-\\)\\([0-9]+\\)\\(-.*\\)$" font) (setq size (string-to-int (substring font (match-beginning 2) (match-end 2)))) (setq new-size (+ size arg)) (setq new-font (concat (substring font (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1)) (int-to-string new-size) (substring font (match-beginning 3) (match-end 3)))) (set-default-font new-font) (message "Set default font: %s" new-font))) ;; I bind to Control Keypad Add and Control Keypad Subtract with: (define-key global-map [C-kp-add] 'font-increase) (define-key global-map [C-kp-subtract] 'font-decrease) Now, I can increase or decrease the current frame's font size (in increments of two), just like I can in the Firefox browser. I'm not sure if it works for all fonts; it is provided as is. -- David J. Biesack SAS Institute Inc. (919) 531-7771 SAS Campus Drive http://www.sas.com Cary, NC 27513 From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 07 13:05:04 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1Cbjhw-0007Up-7B for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:05:04 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbhiT-00073P-Vl for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:57:30 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbhiT-00073D-Ij for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:57:29 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CbhiT-00073A-FS for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:57:29 -0500 Received: from [153.2.232.206] (helo=ups.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CbhXs-0001Ce-VP for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:46:33 -0500 Received: from ([153.2.23.69]) by magma2.ups.com with ESMTP id KP-NTM36.62682113; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:46:14 -0500 Received: by 02usnjrarps29j0.win.us.ups.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:46:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:46:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4DC73.DC625C80" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:05:01 -0500 Subject: [h-e-w] Fonts X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:57:30 -0000 This message is in MIME format. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4DC73.DC625C80-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 07 14:20:34 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1Cbkt0-0003lO-91 for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:20:34 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cbksw-0003lI-O3 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:20:30 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cbksw-0003l6-BS for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:20:30 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cbksw-0003l3-4L for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:20:30 -0500 Received: from [149.173.6.5] (helo=merc95.na.sas.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cbkif-00088x-Kt for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:09:53 -0500 Received: from mozart.unx.sas.com ([10.19.150.41]) by merc95.na.sas.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:10:19 -0500 Received: from D4566.d5120.us.sas.com (sasdjb@D4566.na.sas.com [10.26.11.241]) by mozart.unx.sas.com (8.11.1 (Revision 1.5+JAGae91741) /8.11.1) with ESMTP id iB7J9pC25501 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:09:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:09:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200412071909.iB7J9pC25501@mozart.unx.sas.com> From: "David J. Biesack" To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-e-w] Re: Resizing a frame's font X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 19:20:31 -0000 David Vanderschel pointed out to me that my little contribution did not work if your font spec contains a wildcard, such as "-*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-18-108-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" This patch fixes it. (defun font-resize (arg) "Increase the current frame's default font by ARG. ARG may be negative to decrease the font size." (interactive "p") (let ((font (cdr (assoc 'font (frame-parameters)))) size new-font new-size) (string-match "\\(-[^-]*-[^-]+-[^-]*-.-[^-]*-[^-]*-\\)\\([0-9]+\\)\\(-.*\\)$" font) (setq size (string-to-int (substring font (match-beginning 2) (match-end 2)))) (setq new-size (+ size arg)) (setq new-font (concat (substring font (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1)) (int-to-string new-size) (substring font (match-beginning 3) (match-end 3)))) (set-default-font new-font) (message "Set default font: %s" new-font))) -- David J. Biesack SAS Institute Inc. (919) 531-7771 SAS Campus Drive http://www.sas.com Cary, NC 27513 From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Dec 07 15:14:57 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1Cbljd-00030u-Ra for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:14:57 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cbljb-00030F-Qm for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:14:55 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cbljb-000302-8S for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:14:55 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cbljb-0002zz-45 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:14:55 -0500 Received: from [216.237.82.16] (helo=server1.aspenres.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CblZY-0001rQ-Ju for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:04:32 -0500 Received: from gw-mis-webshld (192.168.50.28) by server1.aspenres.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:04:29 -0700 Received: From ASSP-nospam ([192.168.50.13]) by gw-mis-webshld (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a); id 1102449858217; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:04:18 -0700 Received: from 192.168.30.239 ([192.168.30.239] helo=juliet) by ASSP-nospam ; 7 Dec 04 20:04:17 -0000 From: "Robert Praetorius" Organization: Ministry of Hobo Regalia, Gauntlet Division To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:04:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Suggestion of a good font standard font to use Message-ID: <41B5C671.24339.1E84F88D@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Cc: Henrik Andersson X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: RPraetorius@AspenRes.Com List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 20:14:56 -0000 > I would like to change the default font, but I'm not sure to what? > Does anyone have a good idea about a particular font which is easy to > read and does not strain the eyes? (for the archive, mostly, as was http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-emacs-windows/2002-01/msg00063.html , but the links in that one are now dead) I fall into the fixedsys camp myself, but. . . No discussion of monospaced fonts would be complete without citing some of the font lists that are out there Robert Crooks' Fixed-Width Fonts Page http://www.aliveonline.com/homesite/fonts.html Luc Devroye's Monospaced fonts list http://jeff.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/mono.html (Pragmata looks particularly nice to me, but I'm not sure I'd want to shell out 90 Euros for it http://www.fsd.it/fonts/pragma.htm ) (I can't find a current copy of Paul Neubauer's list, but earlier versions of http://nova.bsuvc.bsu.edu/prn/monofont/ can be found at http://web.archive.org/ and the archived versions include the sample screenshots) From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 08 06:24:36 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1Cbzvw-0002Ve-7B for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 06:24:36 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cbzvt-0002VC-J3 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 06:24:33 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cbzvr-0002Uc-Df for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 06:24:32 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cbzvq-0002UR-S7 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 06:24:31 -0500 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=main.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cbzlr-0006uv-3k for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 06:14:11 -0500 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cbzlo-0007eZ-00 for ; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:14:08 +0100 Received: from pc101.cemo.nioo.knaw.nl ([194.171.40.101]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:14:08 +0100 Received: from h.andersson by pc101.cemo.nioo.knaw.nl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:14:08 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org From: Henrik Andersson Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:12:31 +0100 Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: <200412071746.iB7HkYC23062@mozart.unx.sas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pc101.cemo.nioo.knaw.nl User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <200412071746.iB7HkYC23062@mozart.unx.sas.com> Sender: news Subject: [h-e-w] Re: Resizing a frame's font X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 11:24:34 -0000 Wow, that's neat. I love this open-source stuff, where everone contributes their own ideas. - Henrik David J. Biesack wrote: > The recent discussion of font choice, coupled with a thread in another forum discussing the Mozilla Firefox browser inspired me to write up the following Elisp functions. > > ;; font-resize.el > ;; David Biesack David.Biesack@sas.com > ;; > ;; This file is not part of GNU Emacs. > ;; > ;;; Commentary: > > ;; Functions to change the default font size of the current buffer, > ;; similar to how Mozilla Firefox changes the font with C-KP-Add, C-KP-Subtract > > ;;; Code: > > (defun font-increase (arg) > "Increase the current frame's default font by twice arg. Arg may be negative to decrease the font size." > (interactive "p") > (font-resize (* 2 arg))) > > (defun font-decrease (arg) > "Decrease the current frame's default font by twice arg. Arg may be negative to increase the font size." > (interactive "p") > (font-resize (* -2 arg))) > > (defun font-resize (arg) > "Increase the current frame's default font by arg. Arg may be negative to decrease the font size." > (interactive "p") > (let ((font (cdr (assoc 'font (frame-parameters)))) > size > new-font > new-size) > (string-match "\\(-\\w+-[^-]+-\\w+-.-\\w+-\\w+-\\)\\([0-9]+\\)\\(-.*\\)$" font) > (setq size (string-to-int (substring font (match-beginning 2) (match-end 2)))) > (setq new-size (+ size arg)) > (setq new-font (concat (substring font (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1)) > (int-to-string new-size) > (substring font (match-beginning 3) (match-end 3)))) > (set-default-font new-font) > (message "Set default font: %s" new-font))) > > ;; I bind to Control Keypad Add and Control Keypad Subtract with: > > (define-key global-map [C-kp-add] 'font-increase) > (define-key global-map [C-kp-subtract] 'font-decrease) > > Now, I can increase or decrease the current frame's font size (in increments of two), > just like I can in the Firefox browser. I'm not sure if it works for all fonts; > it is provided as is. > -- --------------------------------------------- Henrik Andersson Netherlands Institute of Ecology - Centre for Estuarine and Marine Ecology P.O. Box 140 4400 AC Yerseke Phone: +31 113 577473 h.andersson@nioo.knaw.nl http://www.nioo.knaw.nl/ppages/handersson From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 08 12:31:04 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1Cc5ea-0000sA-OK for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:31:04 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cc5eY-0000qs-IS for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:31:02 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cc5Sw-0005wR-D1 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:19:06 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cc5Ss-0005oz-Nb for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:18:58 -0500 Received: from [148.87.2.204] (helo=inet-mail4.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1Cc55s-0001Mn-Cj for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 11:55:12 -0500 Received: from inet-mail4.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet-mail4.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iB8Gt9ir005873; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.50]) by inet-mail4.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iB8Gt50A005789; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iB8Gt4qc014865; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:55:05 -0700 Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-amer-csvpn-gw2-141-144-84-174.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.84.174]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id iB8Gt3Bb014852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:55:04 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "David J. Biesack" , Subject: RE: [h-e-w] Resizing a frame's font Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:55:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200412071746.iB7HkYC23062@mozart.unx.sas.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:31:03 -0000 You can alternatively use my library doremi-frm.el to change font size incrementally using the arrow keys or mouse wheel (zooming the page). See http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/DoReMi for more information, and http://www.emacswiki.org/elisp/doremi-frm.el for the library. Library doremi-frm.el requires a couple of other libraries that are also available on the EmacsWiki, at http://www.emacswiki.org/elisp/. In addition to the code for changing font size, it has code for other incremental frame-property changes, such as frame size, position, and background color. - Drew -----Original Message----- The recent discussion of font choice, coupled with a thread in another forum discussing the Mozilla Firefox browser inspired me to write up the following Elisp functions. From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 08 17:29:56 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CcAJo-0005DH-55 for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:29:56 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CcAJl-0005BJ-Bi for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:29:53 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CcAJk-0005B0-Ih for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:29:52 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CcAJk-0005Ax-DB for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:29:52 -0500 Received: from [129.34.20.6] (helo=igw2.watson.ibm.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CcA9q-0008OG-QY for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:19:38 -0500 Received: from sp1n293en1.watson.ibm.com (sp1n293en1.watson.ibm.com [129.34.20.41]) by igw2.watson.ibm.com (8.11.7-20030924/8.11.4) with ESMTP id iB8MJ73121870; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:19:07 -0500 Received: from sp1n293en1.watson.ibm.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sp1n293en1.watson.ibm.com (8.11.7-20030924/8.11.7/01-14-2004_2) with ESMTP id iB8MJWB68184; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:19:32 -0500 Received: from alpha.watson.ibm.com (alpha.watson.ibm.com [9.2.16.245]) by sp1n293en1.watson.ibm.com (8.11.7-20030924/8.11.7/01-14-2004_1) with ESMTP id iB8MJVA68180; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:19:31 -0500 Received: (from kgold@localhost) by alpha.watson.ibm.com (AIX5.1/8.11.6p2/8.11.0/03-06-2002) id iB8MJVH52210; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:19:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:19:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200412082219.iB8MJVH52210@alpha.watson.ibm.com> X-Authentication-Warning: alpha.watson.ibm.com: kgold set sender to kgold@watson.ibm.com using -f From: Ken Goldman To: David.Biesack@sas.com In-reply-to: (message from Henrik Andersson on Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:12:31 +0100) Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Re: Resizing a frame's font References: <200412071746.iB7HkYC23062@mozart.unx.sas.com> Cc: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 22:29:54 -0000 > > The recent discussion of font choice, coupled with a thread in another forum discussing the Mozilla Firefox browser inspired me to write up the following Elisp functions. > > > > ;; font-resize.el When I try this, I get Wrong type argument: integerp, nil Any hints? emacs 20.7 with this font: name: -*-lucidatypewriter-*-r-normal-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-*-* full name: -b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-r-normal-sans-16-116-100-100-m-100-iso8859-1 -- Ken Goldman kgold@watson.ibm.com 914-784-7646 From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 09 12:56:05 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CcSWL-00080W-6h for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:56:05 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CcSWI-0007wj-RM for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:56:02 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CcSWI-0007wX-As for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:56:02 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CcSWG-0007wN-Bp for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:56:01 -0500 Received: from [148.87.2.201] (helo=inet-mail1.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CcSMA-0007LV-UC for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:45:35 -0500 Received: from inet-mail1.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet-mail1.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iB9HjGJ6007192; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:45:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.50]) by inet-mail1.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iB9HjDxv007152; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iB9HjC4A007902; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:45:13 -0700 Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id iB9HjBpY007892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:45:12 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "David Vanderschel" Subject: RE: [h-e-w] Resizing a frame's font Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:45:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Cc: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:56:03 -0000 Hi David, CC'ing the list, in case others had similar questions on library dependencies. On Wednesday, December 08, "Drew Adams" wrote: >You can alternatively use my library doremi-frm.el to change font size >incrementally using the arrow keys or mouse wheel (zooming the page). See >http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/DoReMi for more information, and >http://www.emacswiki.org/elisp/doremi-frm.el for the library. >Library doremi-frm.el requires a couple of other libraries that are also >available on the EmacsWiki, at http://www.emacswiki.org/elisp/. ... Can you say which ones? They should all be `require'd in `doremi-frm.el', recursively. That is, a required library might require another library, but all requires should be explicit, in any case. At the top level (doremi-frm.el), the following are required: doremi.el hexrgb.el ring+.el frame-fns.el frame-cmds.el (not a hard require - no error if not found) If you look at each of these libraries, you might find additional require's. I just checked them, however, and it looks like the only other hard `require' used is `strings.el' (for `frame-cmds.el'). And I now see that that should in fact be a soft require (thank you!), so I've changed it and uploaded a new version of `frame-cmds.el'. The only function that I noted as being used from `strings.el' is my version of `read-buffer'; if you don't have `strings.el' you can use the standard `read-buffer' instead, with no problem. Since I use all of my libraries together, I occasionally get the `require's slightly wrong. I try to indicate, as a comment next to each `require', all of the functions and variables (e.g. `read-buffer') that a library uses from the `require'd library. If you find other `require' errors or problems, please let me know. I was interested, but when I tried to compile your .el files I got errors attributable to not finding files "strings" and "ring+". strings.el is there, but not ring+. Where do I find the latter? EmacsWiki does not allow characters like `+' in file names, so this was uploaded to EmacsWiki as `ring-plus.el'. After downloading it, you will need to rename it back to `ring+.el' (or load it explicitly as ring-plus) so that other libraries can find it correctly. This should all be explained here: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/DrewsElispLibraries. See that page also for info on which libraries work with which versions of Emacs (the info should also be in each library as a comment, under "Compatibility". I had mentioned privately to Biesack that I would like to bind his function to Ctrl-mouse-wheel, but I could not figure out how to do it in 20.7 - at least not without reading input directly myself. I wanted it to be like a key binding - valid globally, continuously. I don't infer that your solution would achieve that either; but I'll settle for it anyway - especially since you solve so many other problems as well. Do Re Mi does read input directly. However, take a look at its code, and you might find what you're looking for - you should be able to bind the mouse wheel globally with no problem. In particular, the doremi.el code shows you how to take care of the mouse wheel in both Emacs 20 and Emacs 21. I think your package may suffer from lack of name which suggests the function. I would use words like "WYSIWIG configuration-choice adjustment". I think I understand what you're getting at here - the idea of what is usually referred to in user-interface lingo as "direct manipulation" - see, for instance (he googles...), http://cal.bemidji.msus.edu/webtraining/yalemanual/papers/gui1.html and Horton, W. K. 1990. Designing and writing online documentation. New York: Wiley. The term WYSIWYG was originally used for word processing and has come to mean different things to different people, but I see that it could be appropriate here too. As for the specific functionality of Do Re Mi, that name was meant to indicate doing something repetitively or incrementally, like runnning up and down a musical scale. I am definitely with you on the general principle here, having wasted a lot of time tediously 'trying' variations to find the one I like. I find it interesting that, so often coming from an efficiency-oriented background, we force users to make choices in order to observe the results. Yet the cost of actually implementing the choice is now so often minimal that there is no reason not to display the effect while the user is pondering the choice. Yes. However, it depends on what is being changed/chosen. I don't think that direct, immmediate change is always appropriate, but there are probably a lot more places in Emacs (for example) where it could usefully be tried. It could be interesting, for instance (as mentioned at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/DoReMi), to interface Do Re Mi commands with Customize, to let you see and choose at the same time (Do Re Mi) and set parameters for future sessions (Customize). I haven't yet gotten around to trying to do that, and I welcome any attempts by others to do so. Command `doremi' in library `doremi.el' is very general - I would be interested in seeing applications of it to new areas. - Drew From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Dec 11 20:35:23 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CdIdu-0008BN-UU for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:35:23 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CdIdr-0008Am-Ai for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:35:19 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CdIdq-0008AP-FQ for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:35:18 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdIdp-00089a-3f; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:35:17 -0500 Received: from [81.228.11.113] (helo=av7-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CdISv-0006f4-UU; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:24:02 -0500 Received: by av7-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 3C80137E78; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:24:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.163]) by av7-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6D037E4A; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:24:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from sedrcw11488 (t1o58p46.telia.com [62.20.164.46]) by smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B8DC37E44; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:24:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003e01c4dfe9$35c36b70$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> From: "Lennart Borgman" To: "Emacs Devel" , Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:23:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: Subject: [h-e-w] Welcome to test Emacs Setup Utilities for MS Windows X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 01:35:19 -0000 I have long been trying to write an installer for Emacs on MS Windows. I believe now that I have something that is reasonable to test. It should work with both current Emacs and CVS Emacs. There have been some requests to make the installer able to build Emacs from CVS repository. I have not included that, but I have instead written a guide for how to build Emacs from CVS. There is also a tool to check the setup for building Emacs. (You may think that it is unnecessary with such a guide, but I have not yet seen instructions that are entirely correct.) Go to http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/WThirtyTwoInstallationKit to get more info. - Lennart From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 16 05:07:52 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CesG4-0006BI-QB for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:49:17 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CesEh-0003V9-9U for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:47:51 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CesEL-0002io-PB for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:47:30 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CesE1-0001tj-W4 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:47:10 -0500 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=main.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ces3j-0002RL-H5 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:36:31 -0500 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ces3g-00017Y-00 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:36:28 +0100 Received: from pc123.cemo.nioo.knaw.nl ([194.171.40.123]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:36:28 +0100 Received: from h.andersson by pc123.cemo.nioo.knaw.nl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:36:28 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org From: Henrik Andersson Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:34:39 +0100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pc123.cemo.nioo.knaw.nl User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Sender: news Subject: [h-e-w] Customizing run-shell-command X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:49:15 -0000 How can I change run-shell-command (X in Dired) to run acrord32 instead of xpdf on .pdf for instance or even better the program which is associated with the extension in windows? --------------------------------------------- Henrik Andersson Netherlands Institute of Ecology - Centre for Estuarine and Marine Ecology P.O. Box 140 4400 AC Yerseke Phone: +31 113 577473 h.andersson@nioo.knaw.nl http://www.nioo.knaw.nl/ppages/handersson From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 16 05:36:56 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1Cet0C-0002az-MX for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:36:56 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cet0A-0002Z6-Dn for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:36:54 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cet09-0002XH-96 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:36:53 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cet08-0002WX-It for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:36:52 -0500 Received: from [80.84.71.201] (helo=mail2.its-linux.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CespM-0001oR-Ig for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:25:44 -0500 Received: (qmail 24886 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2004 10:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk) (81.97.79.40) by mail2.its-linux.co.uk with SMTP; 16 Dec 2004 10:18:39 -0000 Received: by chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 502) id C9E6A4AC; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:25:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Marshall MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16833.25236.623221.434853@jailhouse.chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:25:24 +0000 To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Customizing run-shell-command In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 for GNU Emacs 21.3.50.4 using tc 0.11.4 X-Attribution: rajm X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:36:54 -0000 On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Henrik Andersson wrote: > How can I change run-shell-command (X in Dired) to run acrord32 instead > of xpdf on .pdf for instance You need to set (setq dired-guess-shell-alist-user (list '("\\.pdf$" "acroread") ;; etc )) > or even better the program which is associated with the extension in > windows? Some playing around with "open" in that alist Robert -- Links and things http://rmstar.blogspot.com/ Robert Marshall From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 16 09:34:16 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1Cewhs-0000JT-Ic for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:34:16 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cewhi-0000H2-V0 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:34:07 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cewhg-0000GI-V7 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:34:05 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cewhg-0000FX-Qc for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:34:04 -0500 Received: from [138.37.6.6] (helo=mail2.qmul.ac.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CewWe-0008TC-Rb for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:22:41 -0500 Received: from smtp.qmul.ac.uk ([138.37.6.40]) by mail2.qmul.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CewWa-000498-5V; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:22:36 +0000 Received: from centaur.maths.qmul.ac.uk ([138.37.80.58] helo=centaur) by smtp.qmul.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CewWa-0001Ql-2O; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:22:36 +0000 From: "Dr Francis J. Wright" To: "'Henrik Andersson'" Subject: RE: [h-e-w] Customizing run-shell-command Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:20:24 -0000 Organization: Mathematical Sciences, Queen Mary, University of London MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTjU6yOJlM9h1NqTguBi3mLLBHJpgAJaomA In-Reply-To: X-Sender-Host-Address: 138.37.80.58 X-QM-Scan-Virus: virusscan says the message is clean X-QM-Scan-Virus: ClamAV says the message is clean Message-Id: Cc: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:34:11 -0000 > From: > help-emacs-windows-bounces+f.j.wright=qmul.ac.uk@gnu.org > [mailto:help-emacs-windows-bounces+f.j.wright=qmul.ac.uk@gnu.o > rg] On Behalf Of Henrik Andersson > Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 9:35 am > To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org > Subject: [h-e-w] Customizing run-shell-command > > How can I change run-shell-command (X in Dired) to run > acrord32 instead of xpdf on .pdf for instance or even better > the program which is associated with the extension in windows? I use this: ;;; w32-shellex.el --- Windows 95/NT Explorer Shell-based program/file launching ;; Author: Theodore A. Jump (tjump@tertius.com) ;; Maintainer: taj / http://www.tertius.com/tjump ;; Keywords: NTemacs (defconst w32-shellex-version "$VER: 1.6.4 (1999-11-10 11:39:59(-0600))") with slightly modified key bindings. Actually, I think there is more than one package around that provides similar functionality, but this is the one I use. As you can see, it's been around for a while. It does essentially what opening a document under Windows would do. It still works under Windows XP and, for example, it opens a .pdf file in Adobe Reader. I just tried it to make sure! Francis From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 16 10:40:38 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1Cexk5-00023k-Rj for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:40:38 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cexk3-00021M-UY for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:40:36 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cexk1-0001ze-Gh for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:40:33 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cexk1-0001zP-De for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:40:33 -0500 Received: from [155.247.166.196] (helo=po-smtp2.temple.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CexY4-0006Qj-Su for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:28:13 -0500 Received: from po-d.temple.edu (po-d.temple.edu [155.247.166.222]) by po-smtp2.temple.edu (MOS 3.5.5-GR) with ESMTP id CQI23353; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 155.247.229.5 by po-d.temple.edu (MOS 3.5.5-GR) with HTTPS/1.1; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:25:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:25:05 -0500 From: "Richard M. Heiberger" Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Customizing run-shell-command To: Henrik Andersson , help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.5-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <4225d14f.afa5f167.8204800@po-d.temple.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host=po-smtp2.temple.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:40:36 -0000 I use the file exec.el, which I wrote based on discussion on this list about three years ago. It gives keystrokes for specific programs and a generic keystroke C-c C-f to do what doubleclicking in Windows Explorer would do. I keep this file in site-lisp and load it from site-start.el with the lines ;;; allows files to be executed directly from the dired window (load-library "exec.el") To change the default behavior in Windows Explorer, it is necessary to use the Windows Explorer menu item Tools/Folder Options/File Types ;; exec.el ;; ----------------------------------------------------------------- (require 'dired) (defun execute-dired-find-file () "In dired, run the w32-shell-execute on this file." (interactive) ;; dired-get-filename is defined in dired.el (w32-shell-execute nil (dos-canonical-name (dired-get-filename nil t)))) (define-key dired-mode-map "\C-c\C-f" 'execute-dired-find-file) (defun word-dired-find-file () "In dired, run the MS Word on this file." (interactive) ;; dired-get-filename is defined in dired.el (w32-shell-execute nil "winword" (w32-short-file-name (dired-get-filename)))) (define-key dired-mode-map "\C-c\C-w" 'word-dired-find-file) (defun excel-dired-find-file () "In dired, run the MS Excel on this file." (interactive) ;; dired-get-filename is defined in dired.el (w32-shell-execute nil "c:/progra~1/micros~2/office10/excel.exe" (w32-short-file-name (dired-get-filename)))) (define-key dired-mode-map "\C-cx" 'excel-dired-find-file) (defun wordpad-dired-find-file () "In dired, run the MS wordpad on this file." (interactive) ;; dired-get-filename is defined in dired.el (w32-shell-execute nil "wordpad" (w32-short-file-name (dired-get-filename)))) (define-key dired-mode-map "\C-c\C-p" 'wordpad-dired-find-file) (defun explorer-dired-find-file () "In dired, run the MS Windows Explorer on this file." (interactive) ;; dired-get-filename is defined in dired.el (w32-shell-execute nil "explorer" (concat "/e," (dos-canonical-name (file-name-directory (w32- short-file-name (dired-get-filename nil t))))))) (define-key dired-mode-map "\C-c\C-e" 'explorer-dired-find-file) (defun dos-canonical-name (filename) "Canonicalize filename forcing `\\' as directory-sep-char." (let ((directory-sep-char ?\ )) (expand-file-name filename))) (defun gsview-dired-find-file () "In dired, run Ghostview on this file." (interactive) ;; dired-get-filename is defined in dired.el (w32-shell-execute nil "gsview32" (dired-get-filename))) (define-key dired-mode-map "\C-c\C-g" 'gsview-dired-find-file) ;; ----------------------------------------------------------------- From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 16 11:39:16 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1Ceyeq-0002Qn-G1 for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:39:16 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Ceyeo-0002Oi-BX for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:39:14 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Ceyen-0002Nz-2c for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:39:13 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ceyem-0002NV-HA for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:39:12 -0500 Received: from [66.218.93.152] (helo=web41901.mail.yahoo.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CeyTT-0002Ah-G4 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:27:31 -0500 Received: (qmail 20803 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2004 16:27:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=I/LW4SArFp1YbkIymEriQ7HoWlfVDuJ9oiUSPxWI6F7Zska4QUwMvKTZhHH6rLLBj8x9mpNPQTKHcB8hgGDODfViYAxM+GBj769vscvTedYBhCWiEUQzkHl0kesyjAT1kUHba7KX0m6Ccc1ODsGo1p5/D1rZEoDOUrk+xZXSRYU= ; Message-ID: <20041216162708.20801.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.188.171.52] by web41901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:27:08 PST Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:27:08 -0800 (PST) From: Radomir Hejl To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-e-w] wrong dired format X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:39:14 -0000 I get wrong format listing for months in dired buffer - roman numerals. So for January it is I, for May V and then of course I have 'No file on this line'. ls command from shell is ok: Jan or May for these examples. OS is XP, the same on W2k, gnu emacs 21.3.1. How to fix the date format? Thanks Radek __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 16 12:14:38 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CezD3-0006F2-Lp for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:14:37 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CezD0-0006BA-FT for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:14:35 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CezCx-00069V-No for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:14:32 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CezCx-000694-7A for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:14:31 -0500 Received: from [155.109.5.33] (helo=mail1.fpl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cez2T-0003AX-RM for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:03:42 -0500 Received: from goxng04.fpl.com ([155.109.192.172]) by mail1.fpl.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16765 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:04:37 -0500 From: Daniel_J_Celta@fpl.com To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:03:38 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on GOXNG04/GATEWAY/SRV/FPL(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 12/16/2004 12:03:40 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-e-w] Daniel J Celta/EMT/FPL is out of the office. X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:14:36 -0000 I will be out of the office starting 12/16/2004 and will not return until 01/05/2005. I will be out of the office starting end of business 12/16/04 and will return 01/05/05. I will respond to your message when I return. From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 16 12:56:07 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CezrD-0006Sy-1j for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:56:07 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CezrA-0006RU-33 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:56:04 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cezr8-0006QK-Gm for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:56:02 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cezr8-0006QH-E6 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:56:02 -0500 Received: from [155.247.166.196] (helo=po-smtp2.temple.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1Cezgm-0005FA-Ds for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:45:20 -0500 Received: from po-d.temple.edu (po-d.temple.edu [155.247.166.222]) by po-smtp2.temple.edu (MOS 3.5.5-GR) with ESMTP id CQI66142; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 155.247.29.9 by po-d.temple.edu (MOS 3.5.5-GR) with HTTPS/1.1; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:43:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:43:32 -0500 From: "Richard M. Heiberger" Subject: Re: [h-e-w] wrong dired format To: Radomir Hejl , help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.5-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <31496d68.afb29e58.832d500@po-d.temple.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host=po-smtp2.temple.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:56:05 -0000 I would guess you have loaded an obolete version of ls-lisp.el Check for the existence of such a file and check whether site-start.el or .emacs loads it. I verified that the current dired works correctly when I changed a month from "Feb" to "II ". ls-lisp.el as of March 8 2000 handled this correctly. It has since been included in the base emacs and is no longer needed. Prior to March 2000, both emacs and ls-lisp.el would have given the error message you are seeing. From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 16 15:37:41 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1Cf2NY-00025f-Uh for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:37:41 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cf2NW-000253-Er for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:37:38 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cf2NV-00024P-96 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:37:37 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cf2NV-00024M-5j for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:37:37 -0500 Received: from [47.129.242.57] (helo=zcars04f.nortelnetworks.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cf2CV-0007ch-FA for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:26:15 -0500 Received: from zrtpd0j7.us.nortel.com (zrtpd0j7.us.nortel.com [47.140.203.25]) by zcars04f.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id iBGKQDo24755 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by zrtpd0j7.us.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:26:12 -0500 Message-ID: <78FB705E9F238240AC22761580A7A8FB0460C5D7@zrc2hxm1.corp.nortel.com> From: "Timothy Babin" To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:25:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4E3AD.3AC4DFCF" Subject: [h-e-w] Use Cygwin bash as shell but use cmdproxy for compile?? X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:37:38 -0000 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4E3AD.3AC4DFCF Content-Type: text/plain I can't stop my compiles gracefully when they are invoked from bash since cygwin doesn't handle the signal appropriately. What I'd like to do is to bypass cygwin when running the compile command and have it use the cmdproxy instead. Is there an easy way to do this? Tim ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4E3AD.3AC4DFCF Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Use Cygwin bash as shell but use cmdproxy for compile??

I can't stop my compiles gracefully when they = are invoked from bash since cygwin doesn't handle the signal = appropriately. What I'd like to do is to bypass cygwin when running the = compile command and have it use the cmdproxy instead.

Is there an easy way to do this?

Tim

------_=_NextPart_001_01C4E3AD.3AC4DFCF-- From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Dec 16 15:48:51 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1Cf2YM-0003yS-Bk for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:48:50 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cf2YK-0003y7-VP for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:48:49 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Cf2YI-0003wg-Da for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:48:46 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Cf2YI-0003wd-BO for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:48:46 -0500 Received: from [64.233.184.206] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cf2Ni-0003NG-8q for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:37:51 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so1694846wra for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:37:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CiPLhtIPlIrZ8OFqhEj6TYOs/kBlOVlxND74kk9JDi7zw/w0QJLG5rmbOLz32CsndadNGjXjyC/X2ReCexY5OWwgUedrfPjNPVj5EkCwoeepiNpeC+ZlXnNNyaQKImO+5YjSDKtIQA18iQcAPydyunxEELL2ti+tmiIhMPcGPnM= Received: by 10.54.47.62 with SMTP id u62mr3555036wru; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.43.52 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:37:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:37:49 -0500 From: Eli Daniel To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Use Cygwin bash as shell but use cmdproxy for compile?? In-Reply-To: <78FB705E9F238240AC22761580A7A8FB0460C5D7@zrc2hxm1.corp.nortel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <78FB705E9F238240AC22761580A7A8FB0460C5D7@zrc2hxm1.corp.nortel.com> X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Daniel List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:48:49 -0000 On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:25:59 -0500, Timothy Babin wrote: > > I can't stop my compiles gracefully when they are invoked from bash since > cygwin doesn't handle the signal appropriately. What I'd like to do is to > bypass cygwin when running the compile command and have it use the cmdproxy > instead. > > Is there an easy way to do this? > > Tim If you like bash for interactive use but don't care that emacs use it internally, you can just write your own function to run a bash shell, and use that instead of M-x shell. This lets emacs use cmd/cmdproxy for running things internally (like compile, grep, etc), but you get the bash you want for interactive use. I have this in my .emacs to set this up: ;;---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ;; Set up shell and bash commands ;;---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ;; create a shell buffer, but not necessarily called *shell* (defun ewd-shell (&optional bufname) "Just like `shell', only takes buffer name as argument." (interactive) (require 'shell) (if (null bufname) (setq bufname "shell")) (if (not (comint-check-proc (concat "*" bufname "*"))) (let* ((prog (or explicit-shell-file-name (getenv "ESHELL") (getenv "SHELL") "/bin/sh")) (name (file-name-nondirectory prog)) (startfile (concat "~/.emacs_" name)) (xargs-name (intern-soft (concat "explicit-" name "-args"))) shell-buffer) (save-excursion (set-buffer (apply 'make-comint bufname prog (if (file-exists-p startfile) startfile) (if (and xargs-name (boundp xargs-name)) (symbol-value xargs-name) '("-i")))) (setq shell-buffer (current-buffer)) (shell-mode)) (pop-to-buffer shell-buffer)) (pop-to-buffer (concat "*" bufname "*")))) ;; create a bash buffer called *bash* (defun ewd-bash() "Runs the bash shell" (interactive) (let* ((shell-file-name "bash") (explicit-shell-file-name shell-file-name) (explicit-sh-args '("-login" "-i")) (w32-quote-process-args ?\")) ;; Use Cygnus quoting rules. (ewd-shell "bash"))) From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 17 09:02:29 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CfIgf-0007EX-82 for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:02:29 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CfIgd-0007BH-6p for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:02:27 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CfIgb-000798-Qq for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:02:26 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CfIgb-00078k-MA for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:02:25 -0500 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=main.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CfIVV-0002Gv-TD for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:50:58 -0500 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CfIVS-0000Bh-00 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:50:54 +0100 Received: from user.ifsab.se ([193.41.170.225]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:50:53 +0100 Received: from brakjoller by user.ifsab.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:50:53 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org From: Mathias Dahl Date: 17 Dec 2004 14:50:33 +0100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: user.ifsab.se User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 Sender: news Subject: [h-e-w] Re: Customizing run-shell-command X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:02:27 -0000 Henrik Andersson writes: > How can I change run-shell-command (X in Dired) to run > acrord32 instead of xpdf on .pdf for instance or even > better the program which is associated with the extension > in windows? I use this: (defun dired-w32-open-files (&optional arg files) "*Open FILES using the applications registered to handle them. Return an error message if there is no application registered to handle the files. This command simply calls `w32-shell-execute' and only works on Window systems." (interactive (list current-prefix-arg (dired-get-marked-files nil current-prefix-arg))) (unless (fboundp 'w32-shell-execute) (error "This command is not available on this system.")) (mapc (lambda (fn) (w32-shell-execute "Open" (subst-char-in-string ?/ ?\\ (expand-file-name fn)))) files)) Map it to some easy to use key. /Mathias From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 17 12:14:31 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CfLgV-0003aF-PP for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:14:31 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CfLgU-0003ZH-ET for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:14:30 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CfLgT-0003Yo-LJ for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:14:29 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CfLgT-0003Yc-IH for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:14:29 -0500 Received: from [155.109.5.33] (helo=mail1.fpl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CfLW5-0004Lu-PI for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:03:45 -0500 Received: from goxng04.fpl.com ([155.109.192.172]) by mail1.fpl.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16201 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:04:41 -0500 From: Daniel_J_Celta@fpl.com To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 12:03:42 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on GOXNG04/GATEWAY/SRV/FPL(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 12/17/2004 12:03:43 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-e-w] Daniel J Celta/EMT/FPL is out of the office. X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:14:30 -0000 I will be out of the office starting 12/16/2004 and will not return until 01/05/2005. I will be out of the office starting end of business 12/16/04 and will return 01/05/05. I will respond to your message when I return. From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Dec 17 14:22:07 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CfNfz-0006C5-GT for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:22:07 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CfNfw-0006Ap-AK for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:22:04 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CfNfu-0006A3-Tr for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:22:03 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CfNfu-00069l-Qq for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:22:02 -0500 Received: from [24.93.47.40] (helo=ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CfNV8-0005N9-0S for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:10:54 -0500 Received: from UNKNOWN (cs6668174-193.austin.rr.com [66.68.174.193]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iBHJAnYm011081; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:10:49 -0600 (CST) To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Customizing run-shell-command X-Mailer: ntemacs 20.7 on Windows 98 From: David Vanderschel Date: 17 Dec 2004 13:18:18 -0600 Message-ID: Lines: 54 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:22:04 -0000 On Thursday, December 16, "Henrik Andersson" wrote: >How can I change run-shell-command (X in Dired) to run acrord32 instead >of xpdf on .pdf for instance or even better the program which is >associated with the extension in windows? I know this is getting a bit old; but, by far, the simplest solution I have seen to this problem was contributed by Howard Melman (and I think he deserves some credit for it): ______________________________________________________________________ ;; dired stuff to open files a la Windows from Howard Melman (defun dired-execute-file (&optional arg) (interactive "P") (mapcar #'(lambda (file) (w32-shell-execute "open" (convert-standard-filename file))) (dired-get-marked-files nil arg))) ______________________________________________________________________ He also offered the following to allow access to the function via a mouse click: ______________________________________________________________________ (defun dired-mouse-execute-file (event) "In dired, execute the file or goto directory name you click on." (interactive "e") (set-buffer (window-buffer (posn-window (event-end event)))) (goto-char (posn-point (event-end event))) (if (file-directory-p (dired-get-filename)) (dired-find-file) (dired-execute-file))) ______________________________________________________________________ Finally, here is a suggestion about how to bind them: ______________________________________________________________________ (defun hrm-dired-mode-hook () "Hook run when entering dired-mode." (define-key dired-mode-map "X" 'dired-execute-file) (define-key dired-mode-map [M-down-mouse-1] 'dired-mouse-mark-file)) (add-hook 'dired-mode-hook 'hrm-dired-mode-hook) ______________________________________________________________________ As far as I can recall, "X" was never bound in dired until after I had added Melman's code to my initialization - so I am wondering what bound "X" in Henrik's installation. Regards, David V. From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Dec 22 15:49:34 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1ChDQM-0003vI-Nx for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:49:34 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1ChDQJ-0003up-Sd for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:49:32 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1ChDQI-0003tq-3z for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:49:31 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1ChDQH-0003tU-Sd for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:49:29 -0500 Received: from [128.183.244.130] (helo=mailhost2.gsfc.nasa.gov) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ChDDI-0003gP-RC for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:36:05 -0500 Received: from popc.gsfc.nasa.gov (popc.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.244.176]) by mailhost2.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBMKa1Ch029487; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:36:01 -0500 Received: from SHEVEK (shevek.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.235.101]) by popc.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBMKZs6U008770; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:35:55 -0500 (EST) To: "Timothy Babin" Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Use Cygwin bash as shell but use cmdproxy for compile?? References: <78FB705E9F238240AC22761580A7A8FB0460C5D7@zrc2hxm1.corp.nortel.com> From: Stephen Leake Date: 22 Dec 2004 15:35:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: <78FB705E9F238240AC22761580A7A8FB0460C5D7@zrc2hxm1.corp.nortel.com> Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:49:32 -0000 "Timothy Babin" writes: > I can't stop my compiles gracefully when they are invoked from bash since > cygwin doesn't handle the signal appropriately. It does for me; Win2k, Emacs 21.3, Cygwin DLL 1.5.12-1. I use Ctl-C Ctl-K to interrupt builds all the time. -- -- Stephe From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 27 07:43:17 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CiuDV-0006dj-Gg for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:43:17 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CiuDQ-0006c7-6O for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:43:14 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CiuDN-0006aZ-5T for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:43:09 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CiuDM-0006a0-QC for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:43:08 -0500 Received: from [66.218.93.158] (helo=web41907.mail.yahoo.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ciu1L-0002Sh-Jn for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:30:44 -0500 Received: (qmail 5855 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2004 12:30:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=GDNxuGs4o83GiKD+Z+HpJPZGbKiz1qWG9G7JeJ2B13FMqXDDGOox4eNljqCZ8i8l7cUX3RRihFhOwvCLwWfcaOiJNkf4wNPI4IV0ZYoxNu+S2sX0Lka/+a4OYBXLedd0vg5y6odedEtXCi6UKIVf1ZzOPzUDUxrunEB+U4FPr1k= ; Message-ID: <20041227123041.5853.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.188.171.52] by web41907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 04:30:41 PST Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 04:30:41 -0800 (PST) From: Radomir Hejl To: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-e-w] Re: Re: wrong dired format X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:43:15 -0000 > 2. Re: wrong dired format (Richard M. Heiberger) > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:43:32 -0500 > From: "Richard M. Heiberger" > Subject: Re: [h-e-w] wrong dired format > To: Radomir Hejl , > help-emacs-windows@gnu.org > Message-ID: > <31496d68.afb29e58.832d500@po-d.temple.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I would guess you have loaded an obolete version of > ls-lisp.el > Check for the existence of such a file and check > whether site-start.el > or .emacs loads it. > > I verified that the current dired works correctly > when I changed a month > from "Feb" to "II ". > > > ls-lisp.el as of March 8 2000 handled this > correctly. It has since been included > in the base emacs and is no longer needed. Prior to > March 2000, both emacs and ls-lisp.el > would have given the error message you are seeing. > I've got ls-lisp.el as of Dec 2002 included in emacs 21.3.1. Nevertheless the problem persists. How do you change from "Feb" to "II"? In Windows I have DD.MM.YYYY date format, but dired clings to I,II,III,IV... for months. Thanks for info. Radek H. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Dec 27 12:09:51 2004 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.33) id 1CiyNS-0002Uy-Py for mharc-help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:09:50 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CiyNQ-0002Tz-SB for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:09:48 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CiyNP-0002TA-Ih for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:09:47 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CiyNP-0002S7-4v for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:09:47 -0500 Received: from [155.247.166.196] (helo=po-smtp2.temple.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CiyA2-000616-26 for help-emacs-windows@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:55:58 -0500 Received: from po-d.temple.edu (po-d.temple.edu [155.247.166.222]) by po-smtp2.temple.edu (MOS 3.5.5-GR) with ESMTP id CSB30926; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 151.197.27.140 by po-d.temple.edu (MOS 3.5.5-GR) with HTTPS/1.1; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:55:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:55:54 -0500 From: "Richard M. Heiberger" Subject: Re: [h-e-w] Re: Re: wrong dired format To: Radomir Hejl , help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.5-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host=po-smtp2.temple.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion forum for users of the GNU Emacs port to Windows List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:09:49 -0000 > I've got ls-lisp.el as of Dec 2002 included in emacs > 21.3.1. Nevertheless the problem persists. How do you > change from "Feb" to "II"? In Windows I have > DD.MM.YYYY date format, but dired clings to > I,II,III,IV... for months. I did it by C-x C-q in a dired buffer to toggle the read-only, then I edited one of the entries.