From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Mar 25 10:05:48 2011 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Q37e8-0006r4-1t for mharc-help-hurd@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:05:48 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34428 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q37e4-0006ml-3i for help-hurd@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:05:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q37I5-0005K3-1d for help-hurd@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:43:02 -0400 Received: from mail-qy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.216.169]:58552) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q37I4-0005Jm-Uo for help-hurd@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:43:01 -0400 Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2so6679099qyk.0 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:42:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tW9zLdbTIbstI7kyUhSSetBW+CTykIZjaf5OZI07nLg=; b=nYbP9eWWBJ5ZyHozNG5aBX/hBnIA5zr+341WY+A9oLVIcbINdjXvlG2Cr8gKXyhkJS PDmZlrqj+gAE/Cv3Brko5txzCG96GFX87zZrS5E/W2CQpG7np72lzFbNfgkGGCsVTi9d Az9C065ISNNXkCvx1+DVzUMA7/sM2wttnFmlM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=CJfn1NNpi4nwVjJ0qV13jqAJN31rp0GzPAB2OZv/+/V9ElTUghXq1VaZgAeo6x4NtE 4TRyiDPMCoMlStTLNZ/Nz7uPzkXJKDTvQsW66RELPGk35blaQaToQuS33bLVGQtEDTfY eHZr8WCchTq0G25JEhCQPNgjkDahKExH6jfjU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.213.4 with SMTP id gu4mr644999qab.369.1301060579677; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.32.196 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:42:59 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tanguy LE CARROUR To: help-hurd@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb1ebaed6bd049f4ec58d X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.216.169 Subject: It may sound stupid... X-BeenThere: help-hurd@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Hurd List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:05:46 -0000 --20cf300fb1ebaed6bd049f4ec58d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Hurd Community...mmm... Hi guys! I've been following the Hurd for few years now. Unfortunately I haven't (yet) been able to actively participate. I'm not a good developper, and I don't know much about Micro Kernels. Still, Hurd is (with Coreboot) my favorite Free Software project and I'm really sad not having more time to help! So recently I made a decision. If I have not time to work on it, maybe I should pay someone to do it for me? Maybe not a full time job (I'm not B.G.), but if some people would invest couple of hundreds $/=80 per year it could make a difference!? Maybe the idea sounds stupid, but recently I registered to FlattR to "support" projects that I like and I realized that I'd never paid [1] for all the things that the Free Software Community had given me those past 10 years. I could give this money in cash, using FlattR [2] (you do need a flattR button on your website [3]) or even by buying some stuff on amazon wish list. It doesn't really matter. We could even pool the money and "buy" one coding week for one of the developper. The thing is to show you guys that we believe in you and in the project and that we are willing to support your effort. I hope that this e-mail doesn't sound too...[4]...much. Thanks again for all the good work you've done so far. Tanguy [1] As a member of the FSF since 2007, I've paid quite a lot! :-) [2] And I will as soon as possible "flattr" the guys form ArchHurd! [3] Actually, Hurd could use a more "sexy" web site and more visibility. I was quite surprised to read about the Hurd on the Debian web site [http://www.debian.org/intro/about#what], we don't hear a lot about the project :-( [4] Sorry, bad english! :-) Don't know the proper word to say what I have o= n my mind! :-) --20cf300fb1ebaed6bd049f4ec58d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Hurd Community...mmm... Hi guys!

I'v= e been following the Hurd for few years now.=A0
Unfortunately I h= aven't (yet) been able to actively participate.
I'm not a= good developper, and I don't know much about Micro Kernels.
Still, Hurd is (with Coreboot) my favorite Free Software project and= =A0
I'm really sad not having more time to help!
So recently I made a decision. If I have not time to work on i= t, maybe I should
pay someone to do it for me?
Maybe not a full time job (I= 9;m not B.G.), but if some people would=A0
invest couple of hundr= eds $/=80 per year it could make a difference!?

Ma= ybe the idea sounds stupid, but recently I registered to FlattR to "su= pport"
projects that I like and I realized that I'd never paid [1] for al= l the things that=A0
the Free Software Community had given me tho= se past 10 years.

I could give this money in cash,= using FlattR [2] (you do need a flattR button on your website [3])
or even by buying some stuff on amazon wish list. It doesn't reall= y matter.
We could even pool the money and "buy" one co= ding week for one of the developper.
The thing is to show you guy= s that we believe in you and in the project and that=A0
we are willing to support your effort.

I hope= that this e-mail doesn't sound too...[4]...much.=A0
Thanks a= gain for all the good work you've done so far.

Tanguy


[1] As a member of the FSF s= ince 2007, I've paid quite a lot! :-)
[2] And I will as soon = as possible "flattr" the guys form ArchHurd!
[3] Actual= ly, Hurd could use a more "sexy" web site and more visibility.=A0=
=A0=A0 =A0I was quite surprised to read about the Hurd on the Debian w= eb site=A0
=A0=A0 =A0[http://www.debian.org/intro/about#what], we don't hear a lo= t about the project :-(
[4] Sorry, bad english! :-) Don't know the proper word to say what= I have on my mind! :-)

--20cf300fb1ebaed6bd049f4ec58d-- From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Mar 25 14:04:29 2011 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Q3BN7-0000BU-M8 for mharc-help-hurd@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:04:29 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56512 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q3BN5-0000A8-Dh for help-hurd@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:04:28 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3BN4-0004o1-FF for help-hurd@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:04:27 -0400 Received: from mail-bw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]:57361) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3BN4-0004nd-Ai for help-hurd@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:04:26 -0400 Received: by bwz17 with SMTP id 17so1320286bwz.0 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:04:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3OxCrenSFiyvshZ+ERopG8C8AzvwiD82lao+yvOrcUI=; b=jrc95VB2I8Hyo3szQlN1rMVeVFTr8gmP/NGC4ZXgMChQUU6GzvrnoMCSS1uDJ3RjQZ Pl0/oOJNDp1lh+K0R3YtK1qppXGka7vOiOHtvDWGFoCyavJleY3R3wWRYHnmFcbqqHyj OYxIvCXJ+nvGVaEvg9nYLhg5efq/7ybqdoons= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DwGvK8me3JUTP87v0eTxlw8P5QS8XBamU0Vw4q2Y8rJGMAX81x0kbInGFrXVtIUnki YLOvWtIW/XOIAUQBHRhndxqs8onMYk6eP+u++7gnEnDDYL2xFaLAUnC/1vtcyokOQhkI NyFOByZSIXOFoMB/41Y3kW8LSsH8Jblwi3/M0= Received: by 10.204.136.213 with SMTP id s21mr1026681bkt.0.1301076053200; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:00:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.172.194 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:00:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Marcelo Sena Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:00:33 -0300 Message-ID: To: Tanguy LE CARROUR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.214.41 Cc: help-hurd@gnu.org Subject: Re: It may sound stupid... X-BeenThere: help-hurd@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Hurd List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:04:28 -0000 I like the idea, although I am not much of a contributor as well. -- "" Marcelo Sena On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Tanguy LE CARROUR wrote: > Dear Hurd Community...mmm... Hi guys! > I've been following the Hurd for few years now. > Unfortunately I haven't (yet) been able to actively participate. > I'm not a good developper, and I don't know much about Micro Kernels. > Still, Hurd is (with Coreboot) my favorite Free Software project and > I'm really sad not having more time to help! > So recently I made a decision. If I have not time to work on it, maybe I > should > pay someone to do it for me? > Maybe not a full time job (I'm not B.G.), but if some people would > invest couple of hundreds $/=E2=82=AC per year it could make a difference= !? > Maybe the idea sounds stupid, but recently I registered to FlattR to > "support" > projects that I like and I realized that I'd never paid [1] for all the > things that > the Free Software Community had given me those past 10 years. > I could give this money in cash, using FlattR [2] (you do need a flattR > button on your website [3]) > or even by buying some stuff on amazon wish list. It doesn't really matte= r. > We could even pool the money and "buy" one coding week for one of the > developper. > The thing is to show you guys that we believe in you and in the project a= nd > that > we are willing to support your effort. > I hope that this e-mail doesn't sound too...[4]...much. > Thanks again for all the good work you've done so far. > Tanguy > > [1] As a member of the FSF since 2007, I've paid quite a lot! :-) > [2] And I will as soon as possible "flattr" the guys form ArchHurd! > [3] Actually, Hurd could use a more "sexy" web site and more visibility. > =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0I was quite surprised to read about the Hurd on the De= bian web site > =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0[http://www.debian.org/intro/about#what], we don't hea= r a lot about the > project :-( > [4] Sorry, bad english! :-) Don't know the proper word to say what I have= on > my mind! :-) > From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Mar 27 10:01:50 2011 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Q3qXN-0002DQ-V5 for mharc-help-hurd@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:01:49 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54061 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q3HiT-0006Xy-Hd for help-hurd@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:51:01 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3HiS-0005sW-1L for help-hurd@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:50:57 -0400 Received: from capella.opentrend.net ([64.22.125.103]:35751) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3HiR-0005rZ-V3 for help-hurd@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:50:55 -0400 Received: by capella.opentrend.net (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F222C138CAE; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 00:50:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from proxima.opentrend.net (unknown [192.168.121.26]) by capella.opentrend.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F345DF2C; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 00:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by proxima.opentrend.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 76FAC7A4B03; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:50:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by proxima.opentrend.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74940795174; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:50:51 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:50:51 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Brockway X-X-Sender: robert@localhost.localdomain To: Tanguy LE CARROUR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 64.22.125.103 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:01:48 -0400 Cc: help-hurd@gnu.org Subject: Re: It may sound stupid... X-BeenThere: help-hurd@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Hurd List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 00:51:01 -0000 On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, Tanguy LE CARROUR wrote: > So recently I made a decision. If I have not time to work on it, maybe I > should pay someone to do it for me? Maybe not a full time job (I'm not That's a great way to contibute. I have an OSS consultancy and contribute 2% of gross revenue to OSS projects. I also encourage corporate users of OSS to budget a contribution or buy services from the core development team. Quite a number of organisations exist to manage the finances of OSS projects, eg SPI[1]. [1] SPI is a non-profit organization which was founded to help organizations develop and distribute open hardware and software. http://www.spi-inc.org/ Disclaimer: I'm a contributing member of SPI. Another great way for non-developers to contribute to OSS projects is to write documentation. Cheers, Rob -- Email: robert@timetraveller.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode) Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com Contributing member of Software in the Public Interest (http://spi-inc.org/) Open Source: The revolution that silently changed the world From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Mar 27 10:01:50 2011 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Q3qXO-0002Dc-2H for mharc-help-hurd@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:01:50 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53588 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q3MhG-00047v-5D for help-hurd@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 02:10:03 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3MhE-0001QH-Rv for help-hurd@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 02:10:02 -0400 Received: from caiajhbdcbef.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.145]:35574 helo=homiemail-a22.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3MhE-0001Pz-Io for help-hurd@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 02:10:00 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a22.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a22.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1941A8063 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 23:09:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=booleanize.com; h=subject:from :reply-to:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=booleanize.com ; b=HekdCIKnr88c2imow8rts1412e74NpOGkZhxOZJlWNV5L+1KejJpY5Wyq+ot Pkc+FWDdUZVTmrvXB4Ib1ZoYCf7zN1gME1igYHdxDxKaf51PJ0kLBaJVyXMGE0Fe ZKNiILMVAxdqO2/h5W4qz/loUUNvcpSN+IgtC91iqIpopcg= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=booleanize.com; h=subject :from:reply-to:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; s= booleanize.com; bh=e8FpJ9Y6zNWLHWqF05f+wNXMPZc=; b=eINNvXcHTYSw3 QE5FOFFrfJZLnnXahkkzKb4u+19CRzLQDziWzroXyHXMt5fZ2filzS9QIiHuqDOs OMU9PYumV3BT1MI0CmOUB2Ag3LqvX5PTra6qWUdkCULwCVGk1FI84f3Wih9LDg5N dFKVp8vllZDP2WWc3r8O6dMw1A69es= Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [180.211.165.28]) (Authenticated sender: pasha@booleanize.com) by homiemail-a22.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7767E1A8061 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 23:09:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Pasha To: help-hurd@gnu.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Organization: Booleanize Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 12:09:49 +0600 Message-ID: <1301119789.4190.5.camel@debian> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.97.132.145 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:01:48 -0400 Subject: Re: It may sound stupid... X-BeenThere: help-hurd@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pasha@booleanize.com List-Id: Users list for the GNU Hurd List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:10:03 -0000 On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 15:00 -0300, Marcelo Sena wrote: > I like the idea, although I am not much of a contributor as well. >=20 > -- > "" > Marcelo Sena >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Tanguy LE CARROUR > wrote: > > Dear Hurd Community...mmm... Hi guys! > > I've been following the Hurd for few years now. > > Unfortunately I haven't (yet) been able to actively participate. > > I'm not a good developper, and I don't know much about Micro Kernels. > > Still, Hurd is (with Coreboot) my favorite Free Software project and > > I'm really sad not having more time to help! > > So recently I made a decision. If I have not time to work on it, mayb= e I > > should > > pay someone to do it for me? > > Maybe not a full time job (I'm not B.G.), but if some people would > > invest couple of hundreds $/=E2=82=AC per year it could make a differ= ence!? > > Maybe the idea sounds stupid, but recently I registered to FlattR to > > "support" > > projects that I like and I realized that I'd never paid [1] for all t= he > > things that > > the Free Software Community had given me those past 10 years. > > I could give this money in cash, using FlattR [2] (you do need a flat= tR > > button on your website [3]) > > or even by buying some stuff on amazon wish list. It doesn't really m= atter. > > We could even pool the money and "buy" one coding week for one of the > > developper. > > The thing is to show you guys that we believe in you and in the proje= ct and > > that > > we are willing to support your effort. > > I hope that this e-mail doesn't sound too...[4]...much. > > Thanks again for all the good work you've done so far. > > Tanguy > > > > [1] As a member of the FSF since 2007, I've paid quite a lot! :-) > > [2] And I will as soon as possible "flattr" the guys form ArchHurd! > > [3] Actually, Hurd could use a more "sexy" web site and more visibili= ty. > > I was quite surprised to read about the Hurd on the Debian web si= te > > [http://www.debian.org/intro/about#what], we don't hear a lot abo= ut the > > project :-( > > [4] Sorry, bad english! :-) Don't know the proper word to say what I = have on > > my mind! :-) > > >=20 Indeed its a good idea. I appreciate your efforts. regards Pasha From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Mar 27 10:05:00 2011 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Q3qaS-0003fv-Nn for mharc-help-hurd@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:05:00 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=58465 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q3qaQ-0003fg-KX for help-hurd@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:04:59 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3qaP-0002il-0H for help-hurd@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:04:58 -0400 Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com ([209.85.216.176]:37592) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3qaO-0002if-Tw for help-hurd@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:04:56 -0400 Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30so1881672qyk.0 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:04:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=QxQYgDkMaIsr86dnnVt0bjgBs43mQ2fgYqL3A0Wyzl0=; b=SNcXJceOTSJ08A8+5ZeDDIOelzB+XvaUhvlOdIDFdkJ1RzJ6p23J36hidJcQsXTN+l yd2XRmBA+yxNAPUx5HD/aFIZgA5W5F2qFP00LPPjaxttJm7Pnqf8xY2NCy2myOAUsHAc L95kbrQWRnMpKKND/EZts7ZykmGHQNfk6Te9c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=yEwaKXGPmgAzcaqyMmmFdV6pK/mQxZ5uDjeOYa+BX753zUyoKhgERDVRCBtScwsHYy nt7y8ePbLsREkg7sO+XNnp/MsThyP0kG+v3oJz56O9ELRci2H3EWF7BFTsqEcFkAUcdK ep2b2GZErwqM1Az3zEF0+sOexSVmtg70lXlPw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.49.130 with SMTP id v2mr2370002qcf.264.1301234695776; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.32.196 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:04:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:04:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: Tanguy LE CARROUR To: Robert Brockway Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d038cfab58049f774fbf X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.216.176 Cc: help-hurd@gnu.org Subject: Re: It may sound stupid... X-BeenThere: help-hurd@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Hurd List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:04:59 -0000 --00163646d038cfab58049f774fbf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, 2011/3/26 Robert Brockway > > Quite a number of organisations exist to manage the finances of OSS > projects, eg SPI[1]. > The "problem" is how do the developers get the money if they are not "officially working" on the Hurd?! For me it sould be like : hey guys, can one of you take a week off and work 100% on the Hurd?... we pay you for that! :-D [1] SPI is a non-profit organization which was founded to help organizations > develop and distribute open hardware and software. http://www.spi-inc.org/ Sounds nice. I'll take a look at it. Thx Oh, one more question... was it the proper mailing list to post to?! If yes, where are the developers' answers!? ^_^' hey guys... we are offering money here ! :-P I really hope we can find a way to help you guys create what should be the GNU OS's heart. [1] Cheers, Tanguy [1] No hard feelings, I'm a big penguin fan! :-P --00163646d038cfab58049f774fbf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

2011/3/26 Robert Brockway <robert@timetravell= er.org>
Quite a number of organisations exist to manage the finan= ces of OSS projects, eg SPI[1].
The "problem&qu= ot; is how do the developers get the money if they are not "officially= working" on the Hurd?!
For me it sould be like : hey guys, can one of you take a week off and= work 100% on the Hurd?... we pay you for that! :-D

[1] SPI is a non-profit organization which was founded to help organization= s develop and distribute open hardware and software. http://www.spi-inc.org/ Sounds nice. I'll take a look at it. Thx
=A0
Oh, on= e more question... was it the proper mailing list to post to?! If yes, wher= e are the developers' answers!? ^_^'
hey guys... we are o= ffering money here ! :-P

I really hope we can find a way to help you guys create= what should be the GNU OS's heart. [1]

Cheers= ,
Tanguy

[1] No hard feelings, I'm a= big penguin fan! :-P
--00163646d038cfab58049f774fbf-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Mar 29 12:10:19 2011 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4bUo-00080o-NI for mharc-help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:10:18 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56969 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4bUl-0007Wn-Ix for help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:10:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4bR4-0002xB-SO for help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:06:27 -0400 Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de ([217.72.192.227]:56209) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4bR3-0002wH-3X; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:06:25 -0400 Received: from smtp03.web.de ( [172.20.0.65]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D8C19B47F2E; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:05:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [109.192.87.31] (helo=fluss.localnet) by smtp03.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.110 #2) id 1Q4bQJ-0003gm-00; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:05:39 +0200 From: Arne Babenhauserheide To: bug-hurd@gnu.org Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:05:32 +0200 Message-Id: <11333744.gLVUBs0ohq@fluss> User-Agent: KMail/4.6 beta4 (Linux/2.6.36-gentoo-r5; KDE/4.6.1; x86_64; git-333f7e6; 2011-03-28) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2292295.CA6SG0WALi"; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Sender: arne_bab@web.de X-Sender: arne_bab@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19eUlH97wMVPouOdIzVVfaSJfEXwJN8FLe4Gsb9 50IWSVbir6ECtZBmBGuYyX/GXXVP/IHxQt27xNUzjuKbTbo0qP G2dNdAMC0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-Received-From: 217.72.192.227 Cc: Tanguy LE CARROUR , Robert Brockway , help-hurd@gnu.org Subject: forwarded proposal to finance some hurd work X-BeenThere: help-hurd@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Arne Babenhauserheide List-Id: Users list for the GNU Hurd List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:10:17 -0000 --nextPart2292295.CA6SG0WALi Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" forwarded from help-hurd On Sunday 27 March 2011 16:04:55 Tanguy LE CARROUR wrote: Hi, 2011/3/26 Robert Brockway > Quite a number of organisations exist to manage the finances of OSS > projects, eg SPI[1]. The "problem" is how do the developers get the money if they are not "officially working" on the Hurd?! For me it sould be like : hey guys, can one of you take a week off and work 100% on the Hurd?... we pay you for that! :-D [1] SPI is a non-profit organization which was founded to help organizations > develop and distribute open hardware and software. > http://www.spi-inc.org/ Sounds nice. I'll take a look at it. Thx Oh, one more question... was it the proper mailing list to post to?! If yes, where are the developers' answers!? ^_^' hey guys... we are offering money here ! :-P I really hope we can find a way to help you guys create what should be the GNU OS's heart. 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X-Received-From: 192.134.164.104 Cc: Tanguy LE CARROUR , Robert Brockway , help-hurd@gnu.org, bug-hurd@gnu.org Subject: Re: forwarded proposal to finance some hurd work X-BeenThere: help-hurd@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Hurd List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:20:50 -0000 Arne Babenhauserheide, le Tue 29 Mar 2011 18:05:32 +0200, a écrit : > For me it sould be like : hey guys, can one of you take a week off and work > 100% on the Hurd?... we pay you for that! :-D I just can't take a week off. Money is not the issue. Samuel From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Mar 29 12:28:36 2011 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4bmW-0005Gt-QW for mharc-help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:28:36 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=58541 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4bmT-0005Ce-Rv for help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:28:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4bmQ-0007QC-UX for help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:28:33 -0400 Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:60123) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4bmO-0007PL-62; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:28:28 -0400 Received: by qwa26 with SMTP id 26so312235qwa.0 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:28:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=REoob8uEUHAh3Osx45GCFIxzWaoGbkQJ27pBFX3Ktls=; b=jAP/EyGQoCQUb4bd5Frimlc1VFfBNRvxXdAlvdIjXptlVM1KtQjiw3kRiaY2fnUKeF BaR6arqaqgToepQZSJy6gBkrJFHyg47eTkduKZCFWt3lR1vsFeJV8BVuOviXumNoLK81 fasrg/2KLd/nGM6XbFOj+45LRm+OrJIXvphVU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=kCFzoUNOobMuNd3lUeHtKSnnuqBbkGNhYwzHJf+zWa52WIRH9OAkMQUqzbXB6sdvYK S5KXbEy2HdGiZdxLH0wPf+E9F2PY7l7edeVy1AzQ4VoK08RlOkq5yDKw5vpJsd6VSemm fJxoU6+sLhvQcsbZkbRaSKbFkC6cs77XJ/SjY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.135.223 with SMTP id o31mr4683294qat.319.1301416106955; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.32.196 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:28:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110329162042.GG5482@const.bordeaux.inria.fr> References: <11333744.gLVUBs0ohq@fluss> <20110329162042.GG5482@const.bordeaux.inria.fr> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:28:26 +0200 Message-ID: From: Tanguy LE CARROUR To: Arne Babenhauserheide , bug-hurd@gnu.org, Tanguy LE CARROUR , Robert Brockway , help-hurd@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd50916c29285049fa18c10 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.216.41 Cc: Samuel Thibault Subject: Re: forwarded proposal to finance some hurd work X-BeenThere: help-hurd@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Hurd List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:28:35 -0000 --000e0cd50916c29285049fa18c10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/3/29 Samuel Thibault > Arne Babenhauserheide, le Tue 29 Mar 2011 18:05:32 +0200, a =E9crit : > > For me it sould be like : hey guys, can one of you take a week off and > work > > 100% on the Hurd?... we pay you for that! :-D > I just can't take a week off. Money is not the issue. > The worst thing is that I could take a week of "un paid" vacation (thanks t= o my boss who is SO great) but as I'm not a real developer I would spend the week understanding the basic... of C! :-) I'm in touch with the people of the FSF... still no solution! :-( What about the students of the GSoC? Do they get paid? Can't we "hire" more?! Cheers, Tanguy --000e0cd50916c29285049fa18c10 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2011/3/29 Samuel Thibault <= samuel.thibault@gnu.org><= /span>
Arne Babenhauserheide, le Tue 29 Mar 2011 18:05:32 +0200, a =E9crit :
> For me it sould be like : hey guys, can one of you t= ake a week off and work
> 100% on the Hurd?... we pay you for that! :-D
I just can't take= a week off. Money is not the issue.
The worst thing= is that I could take a week of "un paid" vacation (thanks to my = boss who is SO great) but as I'm not a real developer I would spend the= week understanding the basic... of C! :-)
I'm in touch with the people of the FSF... still no solution! :-(<= /div>

What about the students of the GSoC? Do they get p= aid? Can't we "hire" more?!

Cheers,<= /div>
Tanguy

--000e0cd50916c29285049fa18c10-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Mar 29 12:38:45 2011 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4bwL-000433-8b for mharc-help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:38:45 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35872 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4bwI-0003yh-Vy for help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:38:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4bwH-00016y-VG for help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:38:42 -0400 Received: from mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr ([192.134.164.105]:10881) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4bwF-00015p-NK; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:38:39 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,263,1299452400"; d="scan'208";a="91484886" Received: from unknown (HELO const.ipv6) ([193.50.110.76]) by mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 29 Mar 2011 18:38:38 +0200 Received: from samy by const.ipv6 with local (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4bwD-0007QR-R3; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:38:37 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:38:37 +0200 From: Samuel Thibault To: Tanguy LE CARROUR Message-ID: <20110329163837.GJ5482@const.bordeaux.inria.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Tanguy LE CARROUR , Arne Babenhauserheide , bug-hurd@gnu.org, Robert Brockway , help-hurd@gnu.org References: <11333744.gLVUBs0ohq@fluss> <20110329162042.GG5482@const.bordeaux.inria.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 192.134.164.105 Cc: Robert Brockway , Arne Babenhauserheide , bug-hurd@gnu.org, help-hurd@gnu.org Subject: Re: forwarded proposal to finance some hurd work X-BeenThere: help-hurd@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Hurd List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:38:43 -0000 Tanguy LE CARROUR, le Tue 29 Mar 2011 18:28:26 +0200, a écrit : > What about the students of the GSoC? Do they get paid? Sure they do. > Can't we "hire" more?! As many as Google gives us. And they are not really like maintainers, they need to get mentored etc. Samuel From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Mar 29 22:53:56 2011 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4lXg-0001BX-2E for mharc-help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:53:56 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=36878 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4lXd-0001A0-2s for help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:53:54 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4lXb-0001do-I3 for help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:53:52 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]:59161) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4lXb-0001dK-4x for help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:53:51 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2011 02:53:49 -0000 Received: from port-92-195-39-114.dynamic.qsc.de (EHLO sky.local) [92.195.39.114] by mail.gmx.net (mp066) with SMTP; 30 Mar 2011 04:53:49 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1379927 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1916mMOALZ1djP+Yt0tsO0Y00JsgxEQ6rwBU3FR35 F0Xz0uWasDi1Nc Received: from 192.168.1.6 (ident=unknown) by sky.local with smtp (masqmail 0.2.27) id 1Q4hQK-5hc-00; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:30:04 +0200 Received: by alien.local (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:30:52 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:30:52 +0200 From: To: help-hurd@gnu.org Message-ID: <20110329223049.GD645@alien.local> Mail-Followup-To: help-hurd@gnu.org, bug-hurd@gnu.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 213.165.64.22 Cc: bug-hurd@gnu.org Subject: Paying developers? (was: It may sound stupid...) X-BeenThere: help-hurd@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Hurd List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 02:53:54 -0000 Hi, On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 02:42:59PM +0100, Tanguy LE CARROUR wrote: > If I have not time to work on it, maybe I should pay someone to do it > for me? Maybe not a full time job (I'm not B.G.), but if some people > would invest couple of hundreds $/? per year it could make a > difference!? First of all, I'm glad you want to help :-) Unfortunately, people making such offers tend to underestimate the cost of software development. It would take a *lot* of donations, to actually pay a fulltime developer a proper salary for a meaningful amount of time. (Some weeks at least do an amount of work that would really make a difference; more likely months...) Donations would generally only suffice for some small bounties. However, such things do not really work most of the time. A symbolic amount of money doesn't really motivate anyone to do extra development work. (Except perhaps for highschool students, for whom the money wouldn't be just symbolic...) Either people donate their own spare time; or they do development as a proper job, with the expectation of a normal salary. Donations could in principle be used for other purposes, such as funding developer conferences. But again, money is not the major problem here... It would take someone who is actually willing to organise such a conference. We still have $1700 from our GSoC participation in 2008, and we honestly don't know how to spend it... Having said all that, I agree in principle that there should be an easy way to donate money for the development of GNU projects. Unfortunately this is a bit tricky, as the FSF is the legal entity behind GNU projects -- but the FSF refuses to take donations for actual software development :-( (They fear that would take away from "normal" FSF donations, used for campaining -- which is of course also important, and indirectly benefits all free software projects... However, IMHO the assumption that donations to individual projects would take away from FSF donations is just a serious misunderstanding of how donations work on a psychological level :-( ) -antrik- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Mar 29 22:54:01 2011 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4lXl-0001Fe-Ed for mharc-help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:54:01 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=36900 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4lXf-0001B0-6f for help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:53:59 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4lXd-0001ej-SX for help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:53:55 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]:59266) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4lXd-0001eX-DK for help-hurd@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:53:53 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2011 02:53:49 -0000 Received: from port-92-195-39-114.dynamic.qsc.de (EHLO sky.local) [92.195.39.114] by mail.gmx.net (mp066) with SMTP; 30 Mar 2011 04:53:49 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1379927 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1916mMOALZ1djP+Yt0tsO0Y00JsgxEQ6rwBU3FR35 F0Xz0uWasDi1Nc Received: from 192.168.1.6 (ident=unknown) by sky.local with smtp (masqmail 0.2.27) id 1Q4hAc-5e1-00 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:13:50 +0200 Received: by alien.local (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:14:38 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:14:38 +0200 From: To: help-hurd@gnu.org Message-ID: <20110329221434.GC645@alien.local> Mail-Followup-To: help-hurd@gnu.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 213.165.64.22 Subject: Re: It may sound stupid... X-BeenThere: help-hurd@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Hurd List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 02:54:00 -0000 Hi, On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 04:04:55PM +0200, Tanguy LE CARROUR wrote: > Oh, one more question... was it the proper mailing list to post to?! > If yes, where are the developers' answers!? ^_^' No, not really -- see Arne's forward. More importantly however, the subject line was useless. I assumed it was mail from some junk list such as the GSoC discuss list. I do not see in my inbox where a mail comes from; and as I get a lot of mails from some lists, where only few messages are actually interesting to me, I generally ignore anything that doesn't have a relevant subject... -antrik- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Mar 30 04:08:07 2011 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4qRi-0003Y3-4H for mharc-help-hurd@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:08:06 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34024 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4qRa-0003W0-Dt for help-hurd@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:08:01 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4qRY-0007D6-30 for help-hurd@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:07:56 -0400 Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:38046) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4qRX-0007D2-US for help-hurd@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:07:56 -0400 Received: by qwa26 with SMTP id 26so830488qwa.0 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:07:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=G8TmUTkkmTcYfSsp6NTwHrSJ/1GALpCtf9k+QCxvq48=; b=AmzQyzafu6SSq3n0VKrtcuEP/f7W/eXKRKjn9dJ5CJFMQ1YgLAoY6UqJG2N9eRA/99 LNE0NX4pd6d6PONYS5Kd3K+kw79eGq33WJYAv6tAvLjfstGWOwxEcRJ9VCqDtgQ6OqVY gCxlUN0eh0aba2ZRtemynITcj+FP94tWRON1w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=tehMvmJF8FKp5IJeonjkKrWYa+imufEvmnZhckyLCEqAu8j2LM/M/GvZYqrjhAqf4y LEJLXFER25XV/xl1uva9HsrhQfgBBbK9iNk3ooj64cWHXp1L/vQtfHMYKw2NT8qux+Op rysdHcusfW8pjQXDtSkGGqszMxqEZtVhq0qXw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.49.130 with SMTP id v2mr693872qcf.264.1301472475637; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.32.196 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:07:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110329221434.GC645@alien.local> References: <20110329221434.GC645@alien.local> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:07:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: Tanguy LE CARROUR To: help-hurd@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d038986c9e049faeac42 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.216.41 Cc: olafBuddenhagen@gmx.net Subject: Re: It may sound stupid... X-BeenThere: help-hurd@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Hurd List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:08:03 -0000 --00163646d038986c9e049faeac42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi! 2011/3/30 > More importantly however, the subject line was useless. [...] I > generally ignore anything that doesn't have a relevant subject... > Good point! I'll try to be more specific next time! :-) Cheers, Tanguy --00163646d038986c9e049faeac42 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi!

2011/3/30 <olafBuddenhagen@gmx.net>
More importantly however, the subject line was useless. [...]=A0I
generally ignore anything that doesn't have a relevant subject...
Good point! I'll try to be more specific next time! :-)=

Cheers,
Tanguy
--00163646d038986c9e049faeac42-- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Mar 30 04:14:54 2011 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4qYH-0004sa-5V for mharc-help-hurd@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:14:53 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42022 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4qY8-0004r1-UW for help-hurd@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:14:47 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4qY7-00088z-DQ for help-hurd@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:14:44 -0400 Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:55234) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4qXx-00087b-Iy; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:14:33 -0400 Received: by qwa26 with SMTP id 26so834360qwa.0 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:14:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Cxtqj9+vqvOZdSWrG3cnM/F7WJ4ovm9zcPpvO1vYISQ=; b=m/m04zk/wra0InUNZzI/2bgTh9Oum23/jjFLYDeeXtbVzvak2b+uxtFX4O/+IHhZb0 Z/pM4OMVMRYOx3dyqUxcZwhBjt9yv8dQFwuoU8opHwSlmn4W1SUm0shuREaN4e9F2Am4 yTewXTkyxtpaJ/wsCnbFe3e5hkp5W+RZHaZ8E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=iYsKj25nVPM/7m+vNIVytkEqLc6VKPxhKeASgCAcWzrqJ+jo7vncrLeCws0A2Z7eDa q5p/I/6+GNML70O989kRH8wQWFLK/CF4a4PrnlUDxZZ0NcRscMiJICcD34FMjWRxHhqs fq5Dh+cnnDuYY4RdWwHu5IK1kvNjw2Y4YDvPI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.49.130 with SMTP id v2mr698133qcf.264.1301472873046; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.32.196 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:14:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110329223049.GD645@alien.local> References: <20110329223049.GD645@alien.local> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:14:32 +0200 Message-ID: From: Tanguy LE CARROUR To: help-hurd@gnu.org, bug-hurd@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d038486192049faec48d X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.216.41 Cc: olafBuddenhagen@gmx.net Subject: Re: Paying developers? (was: It may sound stupid...) X-BeenThere: help-hurd@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Hurd List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:14:48 -0000 --00163646d038486192049faec48d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi! 2011/3/30 > First of all, I'm glad you want to help :-) > And still willing to! > Unfortunately, people making such offers tend to underestimate the cost > of software development. It would take a *lot* of donations, [...], as the > FSF is the legal entity behind GNU projects > -- but the FSF refuses to take donations for actual software development > I can see clearly now the... *EUH*... thanks for your answer. It all makes sense! ... unfortunately! :-( I'll keep working on the FSF side of the problem. As soon as I have some time again I'll start working on porting some packages that I am familiar with, and maybe work on web site related stuff (doc, design...). Cheers, Tanguy PS : Money will still be available if someone finds a way to use it for development! :-D --00163646d038486192049faec48d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi!

2011/3/30 <olafBuddenhagen@gmx.net>
First of all, I'm glad you want to help :-)
And st= ill willing to!
=A0
Unfortu= nately, people making such offers tend to underestimate the cost
of software development. It would take a *lot* of donations, [...], as the = FSF is the legal entity behind GNU projects
-- but the FSF refuses to take donations for actual software development
I can see clearly now the... *EUH*... =A0thanks for your= answer. It all makes sense! ... unfortunately! :-(
I'll keep= working on the FSF side of the problem.

As soon as I have some time again I'll start workin= g on porting some packages that I am familiar with, and maybe work on web s= ite related stuff (doc, design...).

Cheers,
Tanguy

PS : Money will still be available if = someone finds a way to use it for development! :-D
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