From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 01 07:58:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSD5o-0006hS-S6 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 07:58:36 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSD5n-0006hN-RX for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 07:58:35 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSD5n-0006hB-EZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 07:58:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSD5n-0006AS-Bd for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 07:58:35 -0400 Received: from [193.213.115.42] (helo=mail42.e.nsc.no) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSD8n-0007fr-8C for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 08:01:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (ti541210a080-2026.bb.online.no [80.213.159.234]) by mail42.nsc.no (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j41BvELS006485 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 13:57:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tom by localhost with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DSD4Z-0001aQ-AC for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 13:57:19 +0200 Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 13:57:19 +0200 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: <20050501115719.GA5990@tomsin-laptop> Mail-Followup-To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: Tom Cato Amundsen Subject: convert-ly patch X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 11:58:36 -0000 Below is a small patch for convert-ly. I must say I'm impressed with the latest devel releases. Unicode lyrics are great! What kind of problems/missing features can I expect when compiling --without-ghostscript since I only have the old package from debian? 2257c2257 < str = re.sub (r'pagenumber\s*=', 'firstpagenumber', str) --- > str = re.sub (r'pagenumber\s*=', 'firstpagenumber =', str) -- Tom Cato Amundsen http://www.solfege.org/ GNU Solfege - free ear training http://www.gnu.org/software/solfege/ From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 01 10:06:13 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSF5J-0000re-KZ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 10:06:13 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSF5H-0000rC-Fe for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 10:06:11 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSF5G-0000qr-RF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 10:06:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSF5F-0007Fw-Oj; Sun, 01 May 2005 10:06:09 -0400 Received: from [195.241.79.176] (helo=smtp-out1.tiscali.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSF8G-0006Mz-8x; Sun, 01 May 2005 10:09:16 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [82.171.177.250]) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127B7801121F; Sun, 1 May 2005 16:04:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4274E1F6.8090401@mutopiaproject.org> Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 16:04:38 +0200 From: Ruud van Silfhout Organization: Mutopia User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lilypond Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "bug-lilypond"@gnu.org Subject: Slur combined with acciaccatura shows incorrect slur X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ruud.vanSilfhout@mutopiaproject.org List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 14:06:11 -0000 Hi guys, When converting a piece of music for Mutopia I ran into the follwoing problem. I got the warning: "No slur to end" from the following piece of music. <<{g4( \acciaccatura a16 g8 f g a)}\\{e2.}>> The slur connects to the a16 instead of the last a. platform: XP machine with cygwin running Lilypond 2.4.3 Bye, Ruud Mutopia Maintainer From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 01 10:40:21 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSFcK-0002hv-In for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 10:40:20 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSFcI-0002cc-Er for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 10:40:18 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSFcH-0002be-R8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 10:40:18 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSFcH-0000NH-35; Sun, 01 May 2005 10:40:17 -0400 Received: from [130.238.4.153] (helo=pernis.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSFfC-0008L8-0G; Sun, 01 May 2005 10:43:18 -0400 Received: by pernis.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id CD371240; Sun, 1 May 2005 16:38:48 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from pernis.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by pernis.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s340; Sun, 1 May 05 16:38:47 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.50] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by pernis.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4910C1DB; Sun, 1 May 2005 16:38:47 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Ruud.vanSilfhout@mutopiaproject.org Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 16:38:47 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4274E1F6.8090401@mutopiaproject.org> In-Reply-To: <4274E1F6.8090401@mutopiaproject.org> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505011638.48882.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: bug-lilypond@gnu.org Subject: Re: Slur combined with acciaccatura shows incorrect slur X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 14:40:18 -0000 On Sunday 01 May 2005 16.04, Ruud van Silfhout wrote: > Hi guys, > > When converting a piece of music for Mutopia I ran into the follwoing > problem. > I got the warning: "No slur to end" from the following piece of music. > <<{g4( \acciaccatura a16 g8 f g a)}\\{e2.}>> > The slur connects to the a16 instead of the last a. > platform: XP machine with cygwin running Lilypond 2.4.3 This is a known bug, see slur-appoggiatura.ly in the bug cvs. A workaround can be to use phrasing slurs, though this isn't 100% accurate. Erik From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 01 12:09:21 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSH0T-0003gl-A3 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:09:21 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSH0R-0003fu-Qy for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:09:19 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSH0R-0003fa-4L for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:09:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSGwr-0001Yx-DX for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:05:37 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DSGkh-0005mj-Uz for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 11:53:04 -0400 Received: from [130.238.7.33] (helo=limicola.its.uu.se) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DS2AU-0005dR-2Q for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:18:42 -0400 Received: by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id A0A634965; Sun, 1 May 2005 02:17:09 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from limicola.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by limicola.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s22547; Sun, 1 May 05 02:17:00 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.50] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19034946; Sun, 1 May 2005 02:16:59 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 02:16:58 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505010216.59434.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: Graham Percival Subject: Re: New manual chapter: Putting it all together X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 16:09:20 -0000 Another good thing, could be to just let a relatively experienced lily user typeset a piece in practise, and write a pretty detailed document (or log) about how he/she does this. This could be useful as a suggestion of how the entire typesetting procedure can look like. It could also be a way of showing potential users what lily really is about. (I'm not sure this should be a part of the official documentation though) Erik On Friday 29 April 2005 02.38, Graham Percival wrote: > I'm proposing that we add a chapter (to become the new chapter 4) which > demonstrates practical examples of lilypond. For example, > > \header{ > title = \markup \center-align < "Title first line" "Title second > line, longer" > > subsubtitle = #(string-append "subsubtitle LilyPond version " > (lilypond-version)) > composer = \markup \center-align < "composer" \small "(1847-1973)" > > } > > All this information is present in the manual somewhere, but beginners > may > have difficulty putting it together. This kind of doc has been > requested > numerous times, and most people who start to write their own lilypond > tutorial want to do this kind of thing. The idea is to have three or > four > complicated but short examples (maybe 20 lines each), with wordy > explanations for each line. Basically, it's an Advanced Tutorial. > > > Any objections? > - Graham > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 01 12:48:25 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSHYf-0005i3-H0 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:44:41 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSHYW-0005en-6x for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:44:32 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSHYS-0005cX-IE for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:44:28 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSHYR-0005Uj-1j for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:44:27 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DSHbj-0003f4-J8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:47:51 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd2mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DRjBx-0001L6-LM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:02:57 -0400 Received: from pd5mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr6so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.182]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IFQ00FZTQZVG6B0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:57:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml10so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.80]) by pd5mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IFQ003WGQZVJY30@pd5mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:57:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IFQ00C4MQZUQH@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:57:30 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:57:30 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: <634342126d7ac9669653884c1bd3d9cd@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Request: lilypond fragment option "notime" X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 16:44:33 -0000 Could "notime" also do \set Score.timing = ##f ? Currently it just suppresses the time signature, but in most cases (in the manual) we want to suppress the time signature and set Score.timing to be false. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 01 12:50:44 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSHYc-0005hb-Kh for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:44:39 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSHYR-0005c5-Dz for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:44:27 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSHYO-0005ah-Uk for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:44:25 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSHYO-0005Uj-39 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:44:24 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DSHa0-0003PQ-8o for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:46:04 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DRjfD-0008Fd-NW for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:33:11 -0400 Received: from pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.213]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IFQ00HSOSGCGQPQ@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml10so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.80]) by pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IFQ009W4SGCIU80@pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IFQ00C0PSGB0Q@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:28:59 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: <0b3a0837f0a8fd0495b52042d34db0a7@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Matthias Neeracher Subject: encoding again X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 16:44:29 -0000 I'm building 2.5.20 on fink, and I noticed this: --- Writing fonts to music-glossary.fonts.ps LANG= makeinfo --enable-encoding -I ./out --output=out/music-glossary.info out/music-glossary.texi out/music-glossary.texi:7: warning: unrecognized encoding name `utf-8'. ---- mspark:~ gperciva$ makeinfo --version makeinfo (GNU texinfo) 4.8 Does makeinfo 4.8 not recognize "utf-8" ? Is this an OSX problem? Should it be "utf8" instead? Is this a spurious error message? Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 01 12:51:04 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSHYg-0005i5-07 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:44:42 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSHYc-0005hQ-DT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:44:38 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSHYX-0005fL-VV for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:44:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSHYW-0005Uj-Oy for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:44:32 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DSHZV-0003Cz-Gu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:45:33 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DRjzC-0001eK-ON for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:53:51 -0400 Received: from pd5mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr6so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.182]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IFQ008CWTEG09E0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:49:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml10so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.80]) by pd5mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IFQ003LXTEGK080@pd5mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:49:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IFQ00L03TEGHE@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:49:28 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:49:28 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: <53cd9b6a9fbc9ec017f376b7a14d5fed@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: remove-first X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 16:44:40 -0000 I've just changed the default value of RemoveEmptyVerticalGroup's remove-first to set it to #f. The docs suggest that this is so, and it makes more sense to me that way. (I've also fixed the docs to reflect the fact that you need to set this to #t to remove stuff.) Just warning you about this; I don't normally touch files outside of Documentation/ or input/ Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 01 12:54:26 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSHi4-0002LC-SB for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:54:25 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSHfW-0000a1-An for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:51:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSHeo-00008P-8T for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:51:02 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSHYg-0005Uj-EW for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:44:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DSHZ6-00039R-DZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 12:45:08 -0400 Received: from [62.251.70.160] (helo=hns1.grootaers-nl.com) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DRkEy-0006yv-Lu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 01:10:09 -0400 Received: from mandrake01.grootaers-nl.com (herman1 [192.168.26.100]) by hns1.grootaers-nl.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j3U585Ug010203 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:08:06 +0200 From: Herman Grootaers To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <1114609994.28607.3.camel@dhcppc0> In-Reply-To: <1114609994.28607.3.camel@dhcppc0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:08:01 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200504300708.02298.herman@grootaers-nl.com> Subject: Re: Strange programming error X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 16:54:17 -0000 On Wednesday 27 April 2005 15:53, David Bobroff wrote: > In recent CVS I'm getting this: > > GNU LilyPond 2.5.21 > Processing `/home/david/dean/ode/test.ly' > Parsing... > Interpreting music... [3] > Preprocessing graphical objects... > Calculating line breaks... > programming error: Stem has no extent in Slur_score_state > continuing, cross fingers > programming error: Stem has no extent in Slur_score_state > continuing, cross fingers > Calculating page breaks... > Layout output to `test.ps'... > Converting to `test.pdf'... > > When processing this: > > \version "2.5.21" > > mus =3D \relative c' { > \key d \major > \clef F > a2-( cis > a1-) > } > > \score { > \relative c' { > \mus > } > } > > The output look ok, but it is weird to get this error from apparently > legitimate input. > I get the same results when I was compiling a piece for our churchchoir. The output is defective, because a slur is not completed over a break, just= as=20 a descrecendo in the following snippet from that piece: %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% \header { maintainer =3D "Lezer Herman (Grootaers)" lastupdated =3D "2003/07/08" } \version "2.5.19" global =3D { \key f \major \time 4/4 \autoBeamOff } sop =3D \relative c'' { bes2.^\>( a4^\( \break a4.^\!^\))^\p g8 g4 r } alt =3D \relative c' { g2._\>( f4_\( f4._\!_\))_\p e8 e4 r } ten =3D \relative c' { c1^\>( c4.^\!)^\p c8 c4 r } bas =3D \relative c { e2._\>( f4_\( c4._\!_\))_\p c8 c4 r } koor =3D \lyricmode { =D0=B3=D0=BE- =D1=80=D0=BE- =D0=B4=D0=B8- =D1=86=D1=83 } \score { \context ChoirStaff << \context Staff =3D "women" << \context Voice =3D "soprano" { \voiceOne << \global \sop >> } \context Voice =3D "alto" { \voiceTwo << \global \alt >> } \context Lyrics =3D alto { s1 } >> \context Staff =3D "men" << \clef bass \context Voice =3D "tenor" { \voiceOne << \global \ten >> } \context Voice =3D "bass" { \voiceTwo << \global \bas >> } >> \context Lyrics =3D alto \lyricsto alto \koor >> \layout { indent =3D 0.0\mm raggedright=3D##t raggedlast=3D##t \context { \Staff } } } %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% I am trying to file a bug-report about this, but I do not know if this is=20 succeeded. BTW.: Does anybody know how I can get an indication on which part is sung=20 where, usually it is Soprane, Alto, Tenor, and Bass, but in the scores I ge= t=20 they are sometimes changed, because they are taken from copies of old books. =2D-=20 Herman Grootaers herman@grootaers-nl.com From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 01 16:09:03 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSKk4-0006aW-Uw for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 16:08:41 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSKjc-0006Fm-Td for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 16:08:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSKjY-0006Dj-Hu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 16:08:08 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSKjX-0006AB-Mm for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 16:08:07 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.28] (helo=smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSKk0-0002Zg-6P for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 16:08:36 -0400 Received: from muurbloem (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j41K4AYZ040082; Sun, 1 May 2005 22:04:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@lilypond.org) From: Han-Wen Nienhuys To: Graham Percival In-Reply-To: <634342126d7ac9669653884c1bd3d9cd@shaw.ca> References: <634342126d7ac9669653884c1bd3d9cd@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: LilyPond Software Design Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 22:05:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1114977945.6339.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Request: lilypond fragment option "notime" X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: hanwen@lilypond.org List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 20:08:40 -0000 Op vr, 29-04-2005 te 20:57 -0700, schreef Graham Percival: > Could "notime" also do > \set Score.timing = ##f > ? > > Currently it just suppresses the time signature, but in most cases > (in the manual) we want to suppress the time signature and set > Score.timing to be false. > done. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@lilypond.org LilyPond Software Design - http://www.lilypond-design.com From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 02 12:13:27 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSdXz-0001LU-Kk for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 12:13:27 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSdXw-0001K8-EM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 12:13:24 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSdXv-0001Js-NH for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 12:13:23 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSdT1-0008G1-Rd for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 12:08:19 -0400 Received: from [195.241.79.176] (helo=smtp-out1.tiscali.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DScwL-0007l0-OO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 11:34:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [82.171.177.250]) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9268011146 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 17:30:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4276477E.7070707@mutopiaproject.org> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 17:30:06 +0200 From: Ruud van Silfhout Organization: Mutopia User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lilypond Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Wrong order of staffs in score X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ruud.vanSilfhout@mutopiaproject.org List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 16:13:24 -0000 With the score below I get the staffs in the wrong order. Although it is specified that the pianostaff should appear before the pedal staff (as for organ-scores), it appears with the pedal staff first and then the piano staff. I vaguely remember to have run into such a problem before, but I have a new PC without the old information on it and, as said before, I cannot reach lists.gnu.org (I get access denied errors). Still running lily 2.4.3 on cygwin (XP) TIA, Ruud Mutopia maintainer \score { \context GrandStaff << \context PianoStaff = "piano" << \context Staff = "treble" << {c''1} >> \context Staff = "bass" << {c''1} >> >> \context Staff = "pedal" << {c''1} >> >> } From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 02 12:40:59 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSdom-0002rf-Th for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 12:30:49 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSdob-0002nS-Dx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 12:30:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSdoQ-0002fA-Mt for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 12:30:30 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSdoP-0002ck-C0 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 12:30:25 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSdqs-0006B8-Pz for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 12:32:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B2D61A8C; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:28:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 27896-09; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:28:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8212761A90; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:28:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B33661A8C; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:28:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42765528.9050200@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 18:28:24 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ruud.vanSilfhout@mutopiaproject.org References: <4276477E.7070707@mutopiaproject.org> In-Reply-To: <4276477E.7070707@mutopiaproject.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Lilypond Development Subject: Re: Wrong order of staffs in score X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 16:30:43 -0000 A typical question for lilypond-user (since you use the stable version) or bug-lilypond (if you suspect it's a bug), but not directly for lilypond-devel, which should be reserved to discussions on the development version and ideas for future versions (at least that's the impression I've got). Anyway, I have just played enough with your example to notice that it works correctly if you replace the GrandStaff with a StaffGroup, which may also give a more pleasing layout. By default, GrandStaff contexts can only contain Staff contexts, not PianoStaff contexts. If you really want that, you could add \layout{\context{\GrandStaff \accepts "PianoStaff" }} but I don't think you will like the resulting layout. /Mats Ruud van Silfhout wrote: > With the score below I get the staffs in the wrong order. Although it is > specified that the pianostaff should appear before the pedal staff (as > for organ-scores), it appears with the pedal staff first and then the > piano staff. I vaguely remember to have run into such a problem before, > but I have a new PC without the old information on it and, as said > before, I cannot reach lists.gnu.org (I get access denied errors). > Still running lily 2.4.3 on cygwin (XP) > > TIA, > Ruud > Mutopia maintainer > > \score { > \context GrandStaff << > \context PianoStaff = "piano" << > \context Staff = "treble" << > {c''1} > >> \context Staff = "bass" << > {c''1} > >> >> > \context Staff = "pedal" << > {c''1} > >> >> > } > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 02 13:15:39 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSeWB-0005Py-EH for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:15:39 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSeW6-0005Mq-2Y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:15:34 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSeW4-0005LY-8X for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:15:32 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSeW3-0005KU-Ra for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:15:31 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DSeZW-0003wq-LC for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:19:06 -0400 Received: from [195.241.79.175] (helo=smtp-out0.tiscali.nl) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSY1a-0002OD-AB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 06:19:38 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [82.171.177.250]) by smtp-out0.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3018011189; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:17:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4275FE3A.9000606@mutopiaproject.org> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 12:17:30 +0200 From: Ruud van Silfhout Organization: Mutopia User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mats Bengtsson References: <4274E1F6.8090401@mutopiaproject.org> <200505011638.48882.ersa9195@student.uu.se> <4275E547.2060302@s3.kth.se> In-Reply-To: <4275E547.2060302@s3.kth.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se Subject: Re: Slur combined with acciaccatura shows incorrect slur X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ruud.vanSilfhout@mutopiaproject.org List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 17:15:35 -0000 Mats Bengtsson wrote: > > > Erik Sandberg wrote: > >> On Sunday 01 May 2005 16.04, Ruud van Silfhout wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> When converting a piece of music for Mutopia I ran into the follwoing >>> problem. >>> I got the warning: "No slur to end" from the following piece of music. >>> <<{g4( \acciaccatura a16 g8 f g a)}\\{e2.}>> >>> The slur connects to the a16 instead of the last a. >>> platform: XP machine with cygwin running Lilypond 2.4.3 >> >> >> >> This is a known bug, see slur-appoggiatura.ly in the bug cvs. > > > This answer is gibberish to a normal user. Should he/she be expected > to know what CVS is and how it's accessed for LilyPond? > > Some months ago, there was a web version of the bug database at > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/bugs/out/index.html but now it's gone > (or moved somewhere else). Could we please have it back on the web > with some nice links from relevant pages at lilypond.org? > > /Mats > > Hi Mats, Thanks for taking it up for the average user. I agree that most users don't know about CVS. I suppose am not an average user, as I know my way around in CVS ;-). But nevertheless I support your opinion. It would be nice to have a bug database online. savannah supplies the notion of tasks and patches, would that be something that can be used to browse the bug database?. Bye, Ruud. From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 02 13:22:45 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSed2-0008N7-Qu for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:22:45 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSecy-0008L0-Tu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:22:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSecx-0008K7-NM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:22:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSeVn-0005CT-Mk; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:15:15 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DSeYw-0003cU-EZ; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:18:30 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSYCQ-00038g-B1; Mon, 02 May 2005 06:30:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id F180261A8C; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:28:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 20690-03; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:28:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62A361A92; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:28:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FFE61A8C; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:28:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <427600C1.8090204@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 12:28:17 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fairchild References: <001401c54cd8$a9e289d0$6501a8c0@Notebook> In-Reply-To: <001401c54cd8$a9e289d0$6501a8c0@Notebook> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: new title on multiple \score blocks in same file X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 17:22:42 -0000 If you want the same titling on all scores in your .ly file, the easiest solution is: \paper{ scoreTitleMarkup = \bookTitleMarkup } /Mats Fairchild wrote: > The doc link isn't clear, but it implies that a second invocation of \header > is still limited. > > I now get the desired result by using \markup and \tag. This works, but > horizontal positioning is tedious. > > Feature request: add "\margin-align dir arg" to \markup commands, similar to > \halign, but relative to page margins, not the associated note. If dir = > -1, flush left, dir = +1, flush right, interpolate linearly in between. > > - Bruce > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se] > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:31 AM > To: Fairchild > Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org > Subject: Re: new title on multiple \score blocks in same file > > > In the development versions, it is now easy to redefine how the titling is > done for each score, see the bottom of the page at > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/Creating-ti > tles.html#Creating-titles > For page breaks, see the section on page breaking. > > /Mats > > Fairchild wrote: > >>Mats - >> >>Looking for a neat way to insert complete \header information for >>selected \score blocks in a sequence of \score blocks. >> >>Found the below message in the archives. >> >>Did the feature ever happen? >> >> - Bruce >> >>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >> >>From: Mats Bengtsson >>Subject: Re: new title on multiple \score blocks in same file >>Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:40:43 +0100 >> >>I send a copy of this to bug-lilypond since it's a feature request. >> >>As you have noted, you will only get a new indication of piece and >>opus for each subsequent \score. I agree with you that it would be >>great to have some option to automatically print a number of >>individual parts from a single input file. However, then you would >>also like a new page for each new \score. Also, the page numbers >>should be reset and maybe the layout should be changed to typeset the >>instrument name in the page heading. >> >>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>lilypond-user mailing list >>lilypond-user@gnu.org >>http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 02 13:38:01 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSero-0001d6-9V for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:38:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSeqq-0001BE-Po for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:37:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSeqX-00011I-Ms for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:36:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSepG-0000DT-8x; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:35:22 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DSeod-0000HT-RC; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:34:43 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSWMx-0001Jn-PZ; Mon, 02 May 2005 04:33:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5BDA61A92; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:31:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 18133-05; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:31:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DE661A95; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:31:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4738461A92; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:31:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4275E547.2060302@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:31:03 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se References: <4274E1F6.8090401@mutopiaproject.org> <200505011638.48882.ersa9195@student.uu.se> In-Reply-To: <200505011638.48882.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bug-lilypond@gnu.org, lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Slur combined with acciaccatura shows incorrect slur X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 17:37:57 -0000 Erik Sandberg wrote: > On Sunday 01 May 2005 16.04, Ruud van Silfhout wrote: > >>Hi guys, >> >>When converting a piece of music for Mutopia I ran into the follwoing >>problem. >>I got the warning: "No slur to end" from the following piece of music. >><<{g4( \acciaccatura a16 g8 f g a)}\\{e2.}>> >>The slur connects to the a16 instead of the last a. >>platform: XP machine with cygwin running Lilypond 2.4.3 > > > This is a known bug, see slur-appoggiatura.ly in the bug cvs. This answer is gibberish to a normal user. Should he/she be expected to know what CVS is and how it's accessed for LilyPond? Some months ago, there was a web version of the bug database at http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/bugs/out/index.html but now it's gone (or moved somewhere else). Could we please have it back on the web with some nice links from relevant pages at lilypond.org? /Mats From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 02 13:38:54 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSese-00020V-Kv for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:38:52 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSesc-0001zq-PD for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:38:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSesb-0001zK-89 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:38:49 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSep4-0000DT-6F for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:35:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DSeph-0000b7-TR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:35:49 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSWEP-000055-Pn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 04:24:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBB661A92 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:23:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 17778-10 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:23:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAB061A95 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:23:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB58961A92 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:23:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4275E372.9010308@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:23:14 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond devel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Duration of contexts? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 17:38:51 -0000 Hi, In several examples and templates in the manual, we use constructs like \context Lyrics = "somename" {s1*20} to create an empty context that will live for at least 20 bars. However, I noticed more or less by accident that if you instead do \context Lyrics = "somename" { } then you'll get a context that is automatically kept alive during the full score. Of course, this feature is very nice since you don't have to calculate how many empty bars are needed. If this is a deliberate feature, then it should be properly documented and advertised in the manual and all the corresponding examples should be modified to use the feature. If it's just a coincidence, I strongly recommend to make it a supported feature. /Mats -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 02 13:47:06 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSf0c-0005Un-8z for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:47:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSevu-0003HM-Na for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:42:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSeqt-0001D4-MW for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:37:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSepw-0000D4-KN; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:36:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DSemh-000866-FX; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:32:43 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSWd6-0002qZ-LJ; Mon, 02 May 2005 04:50:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAAD261A8C; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:47:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 18530-06; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:47:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB9061A92; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:47:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E92261A8C; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:47:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4275E930.3080606@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:47:44 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bertalan Fodor References: <42713B7C.7050001@freemail.hu> <42725135.8030907@s3.kth.se> <42726A86.5040208@freemail.hu> In-Reply-To: <42726A86.5040208@freemail.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond devel , lilypond-user Subject: Re: Ossia above staff X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 17:47:05 -0000 I turn this into a feature request (alternatively a question to those who are more competent than me). Is there any way to produce an ossia that begins in the middle of a score line and is printed above the main stave? /Mats Bertalan Fodor wrote: > >> Are you refering to something similar to the ossia.ly example >> in Tips and Tricks document? > > > Yes. > >> In that case, use Solution 2 in the example and just move the >> ossia Staff before the main Staff in the \score{...}. > > > But that way my ossia Staff will not be instantiated at the place I want > it. > Actually the 2nd Solution is not an ossia, because the staff starts at > the beginning of the line, not the place where it should. > > So that tip is not correct at all. > > Bert -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 02 15:07:11 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSgG7-0006PU-I9 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 15:07:11 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSgG2-0006MD-SC for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 15:07:07 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSgF3-0005bt-2N for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 15:06:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSgEK-00057c-Ut for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 15:05:21 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.21] (helo=smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSfic-0000yz-4E for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 14:32:34 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j42IRxdf094079; Mon, 2 May 2005 20:27:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4276718F.1070400@xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 20:29:35 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ruud.vanSilfhout@mutopiaproject.org References: <4274E1F6.8090401@mutopiaproject.org> <200505011638.48882.ersa9195@student.uu.se> <4275E547.2060302@s3.kth.se> <4275FE3A.9000606@mutopiaproject.org> In-Reply-To: <4275FE3A.9000606@mutopiaproject.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se, lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Mats Bengtsson Subject: Re: Slur combined with acciaccatura shows incorrect slur X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 19:07:07 -0000 Ruud van Silfhout wrote: >> Some months ago, there was a web version of the bug database at >> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/bugs/out/index.html but now it's gone >> (or moved somewhere else). Could we please have it back on the web >> with some nice links from relevant pages at lilypond.org? > Thanks for taking it up for the average user. I agree that most users > don't know about CVS. I suppose am not an average user, as I know my way > around in CVS ;-). But nevertheless I support your opinion. It would be > nice to have a bug database online. savannah supplies the notion of > tasks and patches, would that be something that can be used to browse > the bug database?. Maintenance of the bug database has lagged somewhat (mainly: fixed bugs are not removed from it), which is why I stopped updating the website. Also, I believe the plan was to migrate the bug database to the LSR. Are there any updates on that? From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 02 17:35:36 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSiZj-0000io-LX for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 17:35:35 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSiSi-0006xM-4z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 17:28:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSiSd-0006vo-9x for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 17:28:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSiOk-0005Rn-4w for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 17:24:14 -0400 Received: from [85.197.192.10] (helo=mx2.hive.is) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSiOM-0006Zg-Q3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 17:23:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 31714 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 21:17:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dhcppc0) (85.197.199.198) by postur.hive.is with SMTP; 2 May 2005 21:17:32 -0000 From: David Bobroff To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 21:19:03 +0000 Message-Id: <1115068743.16181.1.camel@dhcppc0> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 'make all' error ChangeLog 1.3527 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bobroff@centrum.is List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 21:35:33 -0000 Trying to compile latest CVS. Here is the tail-end of the output: echo feta-braces-a feta-braces-b feta-braces-c feta-braces-d feta- braces-e feta-braces-f feta-braces-g feta-braces-h feta-braces-i > out/aybabtu.subfonts echo -n 'aybabtu' > out/aybabtu.fontname cat out/feta-braces-a.otf-table out/feta-braces-b.otf-table out/feta- braces-c.otf-table out/feta-braces-d.otf-table out/feta-braces-e.otf- table out/feta-braces-f.otf-table out/feta-braces-g.otf-table out/feta- braces-h.otf-table out/feta-braces-i.otf-table > out/aybabtu.otf-table echo '(design_size . 20)' > out/aybabtu.otf-gtable (cd ./out && /usr/local/bin/fontforge -script aybabtu.pe) Copyright (c) 2000-2005 by George Williams. Executable based on sources from 16:12 15-Apr-2005. /usr/bin/python ../buildscripts/ps-embed-cff.py out/aybabtu.cff `cat out/aybabtu.fontname` out/aybabtu.cff.ps rm ./out/*.scale.pfa make[1]: *** No rule to make target `out/lilypond.map', needed by `default'. Stop. make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/lilypond/mf' make: *** [all] Error 2 [root@dhcppc0 lilypond]# -David From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 02 18:36:23 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSjWY-0001Dy-5c for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 18:36:22 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSjSg-0007x3-UX for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 18:32:23 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSjSb-0007v0-O7 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 18:32:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSjSb-0007t6-1g for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 18:32:17 -0400 Received: from [130.238.4.153] (helo=pernis.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSjKM-0007C1-22 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 18:23:46 -0400 Received: by pernis.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id 713D0151; Tue, 3 May 2005 00:19:08 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from pernis.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by pernis.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s334; Tue, 3 May 05 00:18:56 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.51] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by pernis.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD82151; Tue, 3 May 2005 00:18:56 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg To: Han-Wen Nienhuys Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 00:18:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4274E1F6.8090401@mutopiaproject.org> <4275FE3A.9000606@mutopiaproject.org> <4276718F.1070400@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <4276718F.1070400@xs4all.nl> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505030018.54921.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se, lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Mats Bengtsson Subject: Re: Slur combined with acciaccatura shows incorrect slur X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:36:18 -0000 On Monday 02 May 2005 20.29, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Ruud van Silfhout wrote: > >> Some months ago, there was a web version of the bug database at > >> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/bugs/out/index.html but now it's gone > >> (or moved somewhere else). Could we please have it back on the web > >> with some nice links from relevant pages at lilypond.org? I added a signature, which hopefully will be enough for the average user. > > Thanks for taking it up for the average user. I agree that most users > > don't know about CVS. I suppose am not an average user, as I know my way > > around in CVS ;-). But nevertheless I support your opinion. It would be > > nice to have a bug database online. savannah supplies the notion of > > tasks and patches, would that be something that can be used to browse > > the bug database?. > > Maintenance of the bug database has lagged somewhat (mainly: fixed bugs > are not removed from it), which is why I stopped updating the website. > Also, I believe the plan was to migrate the bug database to the LSR. Are > there any updates on that? sorry for that. The repository was even unbuildable for a while. I fixed it some days ago but forgot to commit. Should be fixed now. -- Erik Sandberg Maintainer of the Lilypond bug CVS archive, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/lilypond/lily-bugs/bugs/ http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/bugs/out/index.html From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 03 02:07:29 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSqXS-00056I-Cq for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 02:05:47 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSqWR-0004j8-22 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 02:04:44 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSqUg-00040s-Sp for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 02:02:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSqTE-00039m-BO; Tue, 03 May 2005 02:01:24 -0400 Received: from [195.70.32.130] (helo=mail.interware.hu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSqQs-0004VT-IU; Tue, 03 May 2005 01:58:58 -0400 Received: from caracas-1575.adsl.interware.hu ([213.178.106.39]) by mail.interware.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1DSqMJ-0003lC-Fx; Tue, 03 May 2005 07:54:15 +0200 Message-ID: <42771200.7040209@freemail.hu> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 07:54:08 +0200 From: Bertalan Fodor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: hu-hu, hu, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hans Forbrich References: <42713B7C.7050001@freemail.hu> <42726A86.5040208@freemail.hu> <4275E930.3080606@s3.kth.se> <200505021322.56680.hforbric_lilypond@telus.net> In-Reply-To: <200505021322.56680.hforbric_lilypond@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: Ossia above staff X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 06:05:42 -0000 I'd be happy to donate for this as well. And not to forget multiple ossias in the same line. Bert Hans Forbrich írta: >I second that, together with an offer for a modest amount of funding. > >Note that the ossia samples to which I have access include the following >features: > >1) above the 'master' >2) smaller font >3) may start at location other than bar line >4) dashed lines (lined up with bar lines) join master to ossia > >Samples are in Schirmer's Operatic Anthology (Vol V - bass). let me know if >copies are required. > >/Hans > > > From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 03 04:03:26 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSsJq-0000ST-Qh for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 03:59:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSsJT-0000K0-Ge for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 03:59:28 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSsJM-0000IH-Lf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 03:59:21 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSsHs-0008PW-7R for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 03:57:48 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSsJF-00031Z-1s for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 03:59:13 -0400 Received: from pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr7so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.23]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IFW00BBSLYUN8E0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 01:54:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml5so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.149]) by pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IFW009G1LYU2D40@pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 01:54:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IFW0042TLYUZG@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 01:54:30 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 00:54:30 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> To: hanwen@lilypond.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: New manual chapter: Putting it all together X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 07:59:31 -0000 On 29-Apr-05, at 12:44 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Op do, 28-04-2005 te 17:38 -0700, schreef Graham Percival: >> I'm proposing that we add a chapter (to become the new chapter 4) >> which >> demonstrates practical examples of lilypond. For example, > We went away from commented wordy examples in the tutorial (a long time > ago, I believe for 1.4 or 1.6), because we felt they weren't clear > enough. Perhaps, in this case, the actual documentation of titling, > markup and header should first be revised so it shows more examples and > is clearer? The response I've gotten (both public and private) is that text markup definitely needs better docs. I'll work on that now. People don't seem to realize that you can do anything with titles that you can do with text markup; I'll also make this more obvious. I'll try to figure out how lyrics work, too, but the archives are down right now. > The basic problem with complex examples, is that they're > difficult to read if you don't already know what they say. I confess that I haven't completely thought out what to do with this new possible chapter. I'm pretty sure that we could use another wordy chapter that explains some of the more complicated lilypond stuff; I'm not certain whether that should take the form of annotated short examples, annotated complicated contrived examples, or just an extension of the existing tutorial (but in a separate chapter for ease of reading). If we're going to have a new chapter, IMO it should be included before 2.6.0. We've rearranged the manual between 2.4 and 2.6, so users will have to get used to a new chapter numbering scheme; it would be a pity if 2.6.5 (or whatever) introduced a new chapter which changed the chapter numbering scheme again. I'll fix the current text markup stuff and make a more concrete proposal in a few days. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 03 06:09:53 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSuJG-0006EJ-BX for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 06:07:25 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DStzs-0004R8-Fb for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 05:47:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DStlg-0002HP-8f for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 05:32:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DStbD-0000W2-Km for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 05:21:52 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.23] (helo=smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSteR-0007PX-Ms for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 05:25:12 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j439KNPU025199; Tue, 3 May 2005 11:20:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@lilypond.org) Message-ID: <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 11:21:59 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lily-devel Subject: 2.6 release. (Was: new manual chapter) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:07:03 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > >> The basic problem with complex examples, is that they're >> difficult to read if you don't already know what they say. > > > I confess that I haven't completely thought out what to do with this > new possible chapter. I'm pretty sure that we could use another > wordy chapter that explains some of the more complicated lilypond > stuff; I'm not certain whether that should take the form of annotated > short examples, annotated complicated contrived examples, or just > an extension of the existing tutorial (but in a separate chapter for > ease of reading). > > If we're going to have a new chapter, IMO it should be included before > 2.6.0. We've rearranged the manual between 2.4 and 2.6, so users will > have to get used to a new chapter numbering scheme; it would be a pity > if 2.6.5 (or whatever) introduced a new chapter which changed the > chapter numbering scheme again. In general, I advise to resist the temptation to start something new (new chapter, new approaches), until you're sure that what we have doesn't work. Starting something new is easy, but following through with something isn't. Regarding the release: you can insert an empty chapter now. I hope to release 2.6 Real Soon Now, and I don't want to stop the release because of unwritten doc chapters. At the moment there are still these show-stoppers before I can release 2.6 - add encoding to emmentaler font for correct PDF embedding - MacOS X doesn't get dynamic fonts - drum notation is broken. Any other pressing problems? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@lilypond.org LilyPond Software Design - http://www.lilypond-design.com From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 03 07:34:50 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSvft-0003Hk-AI for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 07:34:49 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSvdL-0002hb-Uy for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 07:32:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSvZK-0001ib-MZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 07:28:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSvX0-00011a-4o for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 07:25:42 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.25] (helo=smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSvaa-0007hd-Nz for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 07:29:21 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j43BOaAU091620; Tue, 3 May 2005 13:24:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <42775FD3.8030404@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:26:11 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mats Bengtsson References: <4275E372.9010308@s3.kth.se> In-Reply-To: <4275E372.9010308@s3.kth.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: Duration of contexts? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 11:34:46 -0000 Mats Bengtsson wrote: > Hi, > > In several examples and templates in the manual, we use constructs like > > \context Lyrics = "somename" {s1*20} > > to create an empty context that will live for at least 20 bars. > However, I noticed more or less by accident that if you instead do > > \context Lyrics = "somename" { } > > then you'll get a context that is automatically kept alive during the > full score. Of course, this feature is very nice since you don't have > to calculate how many empty bars are needed. > If this is a deliberate feature, then it should be properly documented > and advertised in the manual and all the corresponding examples should > be modified to use the feature. If it's just a coincidence, I strongly > recommend to make it a supported feature. Imagine the performance impact if contexts (eg. short-lived like << c \\ d >> ) never die. Bugreport please. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 03 07:46:59 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSvYd-0001V0-8X for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 07:27:19 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSvEG-0004jF-Ii for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 07:06:16 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSusH-0000pf-6k for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 06:47:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSuVz-0007Nh-Sm for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 06:20:33 -0400 Received: from [130.238.7.33] (helo=limicola.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSuNm-0006e8-Is for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 06:12:02 -0400 Received: by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id 8EADB49C6; Tue, 3 May 2005 12:07:18 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from limicola.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by limicola.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s223251; Tue, 3 May 05 12:07:10 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.51] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7F84972 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 12:07:10 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:07:08 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505031207.08848.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Subject: Bugfixes X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 11:27:16 -0000 Hi all, I just closed a big bunch of bugs from the archive. (around 13 bugs, I think). They were all recently fixed by Han-Wen. This makes a total of around 30 bugfixes this year, leaving only around 80 open bugs left. May I suggest a big applause for Han-Wen? -- Erik Sandberg Maintainer of the Lilypond bug CVS archive, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/lilypond/lily-bugs/bugs/ http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/bugs/out/index.html From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 03 07:47:29 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSuqn-0000fB-50 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 06:42:01 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSumL-0000D3-Uo for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 06:37:27 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSuKf-0006MZ-D6 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 06:10:37 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSu8f-0005L1-Su for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 05:56:27 -0400 Received: from [130.238.7.33] (helo=limicola.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSuC5-0002Q8-Su for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 06:00:00 -0400 Received: by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id 654BE49C2; Tue, 3 May 2005 11:55:14 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from limicola.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by limicola.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s26643; Tue, 3 May 05 11:55:11 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.51] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8775548B5; Tue, 3 May 2005 11:55:11 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:55:08 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <1114609994.28607.3.camel@dhcppc0> <200504300708.02298.herman@grootaers-nl.com> In-Reply-To: <200504300708.02298.herman@grootaers-nl.com> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505031155.09782.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: Subject: Re: Strange programming error X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:41:48 -0000 Thanks, I added this to bug cvs. On Saturday 30 April 2005 07.08, Herman Grootaers wrote: > On Wednesday 27 April 2005 15:53, David Bobroff wrote: > > In recent CVS I'm getting this: > > > > GNU LilyPond 2.5.21 > > Processing `/home/david/dean/ode/test.ly' > > Parsing... > > Interpreting music... [3] > > Preprocessing graphical objects... > > Calculating line breaks... > > programming error: Stem has no extent in Slur_score_state > > continuing, cross fingers > > programming error: Stem has no extent in Slur_score_state > > continuing, cross fingers > > Calculating page breaks... > > Layout output to `test.ps'... > > Converting to `test.pdf'... > > > > When processing this: > > > > \version "2.5.21" > > > > mus = \relative c' { > > \key d \major > > \clef F > > a2-( cis > > a1-) > > } > > > > \score { > > \relative c' { > > \mus > > } > > } > > > > The output look ok, but it is weird to get this error from apparently > > legitimate input. > > I get the same results when I was compiling a piece for our churchchoir. > > The output is defective, because a slur is not completed over a break, just > as a descrecendo in the following snippet from that piece: -- Erik Sandberg Maintainer of the Lilypond bug CVS archive, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/lilypond/lily-bugs/bugs/ http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/bugs/out/index.html From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 03 08:49:36 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DSwbE-0007nP-8F for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 08:34:04 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSwTF-0005pC-ME for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 08:25:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSwN5-0004Jg-3v for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 08:19:27 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSwKQ-0003dU-Oi; Tue, 03 May 2005 08:16:44 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSwNk-0003C6-3O; Tue, 03 May 2005 08:20:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC9361A8F; Tue, 3 May 2005 14:15:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 09862-04; Tue, 3 May 2005 14:15:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9935561A90; Tue, 3 May 2005 14:15:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786EC61A8F; Tue, 3 May 2005 14:15:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42776B59.7010508@s3.kth.se> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 14:15:21 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han-Wen Nienhuys References: <4275E372.9010308@s3.kth.se> <42775FD3.8030404@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <42775FD3.8030404@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Lilypond bug , lilypond devel Subject: Re: Duration of contexts? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 12:33:53 -0000 As I said, I didn't consider it a bug but a feature. Short-lived contexts do die and I haven't objected against that. The feature is that contexts that are completely empty at the top of the score never die. Here are two illustrating examples. The second one shows why I find this a useful feature. Without it, I would need to find out how many empty bars to include in an initial \context Lyrics = "above" {s1*10}. \version "2.5.20" % Useless illustration of the feature \score{ \relative c' << \context Staff = "eternal" {} \context Staff = "ephemeral" {s1} \context Staff = "main" { c1 | c1 << c1 \context Staff = "ephemeral" { e1^"ephemeral" } \context Staff = "eternal" { g1^"eternal" } >> c1 | c1 << c1 \context Staff = "ephemeral" { e1^"ephemeral" } \context Staff = "eternal" { g1^"eternal" } >> } >> } % Useful illustration of the feature \score{ << \context Lyrics = "above" {} \new Staff \context Voice = "main" \relative c' { c1 d << \context Voice = "upper" {\voiceOne e2 d2} \voiceTwo c1 >> \oneVoice e } \new Lyrics \lyricsto "main" {do re do mi } \context Lyrics = "above" \lyricsto "upper" { mi re } >> } /Mats Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Mats Bengtsson wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> In several examples and templates in the manual, we use constructs like >> >> \context Lyrics = "somename" {s1*20} >> >> to create an empty context that will live for at least 20 bars. >> However, I noticed more or less by accident that if you instead do >> >> \context Lyrics = "somename" { } >> >> then you'll get a context that is automatically kept alive during the >> full score. Of course, this feature is very nice since you don't have >> to calculate how many empty bars are needed. >> If this is a deliberate feature, then it should be properly documented >> and advertised in the manual and all the corresponding examples should >> be modified to use the feature. If it's just a coincidence, I strongly >> recommend to make it a supported feature. > > > Imagine the performance impact if contexts (eg. short-lived like << c \\ > d >> ) never die. > > Bugreport please. > > -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 03 14:59:00 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DT2Xz-0002A8-PA for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 14:55:07 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DT2Xu-000285-DZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 14:55:02 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DT2Wl-0001aq-Hu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 14:53:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DT2Ng-00067Z-VY for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 14:44:29 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.25] (helo=smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DT2MZ-00058p-B0 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 14:43:20 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j43FxBZC033280; Tue, 3 May 2005 17:59:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4277A02F.5090601@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 18:00:47 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: neeracher@mac.com, lily-devel Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000609090407030607050102" X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Subject: feta dynamics on Fink? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 18:55:04 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000609090407030607050102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, i've delved slightly deeper into the problem with dynamics not showing up on fink. The problem apparently has to do with Pango not taking into account the settings of FontConfig. I'm not sure what causes this. I did notice somethign fishy: libfontconfig is not available as a dynamic library. Maybe that could be a reason? In any event, there is some fiddling with the font configuration going on, since Pango can find Apple fonts from /Library find attached a small test program to test FontConfig/Pango. If the path in the .c is correct, I get something like font descr string 'feta-alphabet20 0' fname 'feta-alphabet20_0'type name PangoFT2Font Pattern 23 of 32 autohint: FcFalse(s) charset: set(s) dpi: 1200(f)(s) family: "feta-alphabet20"(s) file: "/home/hanwen/src/lilypond/mf/out//feta-alphabet20.pfa"(s) fontversion: 0(i)(s) foundry: "unknown"(s) any ideas? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen --------------000609090407030607050102 Content-Type: application/zip; name="fctest.zip" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="fctest.zip" UEsDBBQAAAAIAMqOozLHEhMM1AYAAFQSAAAMABUAZm9udGNvbmZpZy5jVVQJAAOrnndCf553 QlV4BAD1AfUBnRdrT9tI8HP9K/ZSQe00NCG6DyelIIU0yXGFEEH4UJWTZey1Y86xLe+mkKL+ 95uZXa8fgap3Edi7s/N+7fhtwMM45cydL27dm6vb68nUeqthy/FifuVOF+Ozi6l7Np58ni4+ WdbbOPWTbcDZR08IXsgP69MaLPfSKOvT89WDUA5fP/OPwixtMQ0LzuUu5/1QRskuX7dOAd/P 0jCO+tUSUWo4QhZxGjXphAzibA+UxPdt2D7pqyK/ZXFg5UAg3YL7ktlLNOoalvBOOOsWjvVs MUYoIbM7T70dOwh68Mcee2u1vEs7PVYcnT7Rc0fPxziQa1qteRytpTOyfphAhV4iOBuYvSy2 nB1bFuglJPPXXsG6QVywE9bpr7MN76+99JGnfVH4/SQGj2Zp0N+E/Wwr+52RRTrPVsMZmHbp 5axLkXEhbC5au/Fyd2SB/kzBgzx2gfXxcDAYWcoDcRpLl05tZa9iqfh183AD+E2mLnJN+SOz wTJ00J5IdgJgxubu6sty6k7+nE4+u+eLm9V4MYHt+GZlA9+e9ebNG6Z+Kn0JG4xxZ1eLlXs5 XjZQmpaCaPaSUW11SFnBMcYiS7YyzlJm72tMkpSoimmvtqYgkseY5KLpMfQv4NR0gD8VSkY6 hN4GQocxDbn0jrwkX3v3XA4HnVHp8Ang8ScJFEqmr/fKk5XCEZhSntkgtIeSnVE9bp+48Is4 J1O7JD+oIIjZhlURbh2YKLPXENCz2jq7fdhjkQsVGWxzfaYQHeLX7/+Up5A7KMEXWA4HNXW0 I5QWbaPsBk5vz2pM3tJtYymLixgKsOvByk1wWTrFQNAbyhkqtmAbhlSE3ymMc8WAxZJvhKHG Xfyd72kDxD02oHfCUxtejs5BI6/HFrcXF47Op5J9TlJJCJ48rmN0FEAdypRnq1Yu54DFuoiL +kjoSIEnvZFGUY3NZp0sDKGbMdADX+l2w3RjQ8qjUzgGB5c7wIqwvakdILvoDeGUXOvyx6mX 7EQswBfZ/YNW++jU0+DRi7hYAYB6SDTUYKryb2c3hfOl9L0njx+dIsiohjmHP3UZ7mcXOzlh tHWaLoLej6jqjKlLhr07EO9YmHobTssORI/V+sdeVsvM1ZS2kvELBCHEliRokpKi7WyjJt68 jCgOBEUwchHkKia6H8+ury5NO6685DiNeMx89DZ2MJ+MP/lpO9dMVArDr97QJ9TPq6OKu2PC O/OXkPe8wI7l5x6KU3IVX2i3dDpqoy/Rcogk0hj9VXkWXH7zEnbSuU+8Tsthhn7O5Q1FRbHo MdT2/GJKtWnP/Amw+oN1uw47VPz2U0PL0Q43WKWklTvzfLj3ZYgvk6q+CniS+f+4dGIreytK I0CsPYjqwfYJZLAEyGlNQcEFQrZe5BHKXRpKRvxo08Er7OiUOLhQuDBxmLSbu1dnf00nKxWl xfhS5UIdt56jUPkgqGTCTMTNEegAcGWn06zbOU6Cys8woURVd6QRUddF1V6rolCm29Qs650S juE/gq7DSkGYB3FJHWYFs/FCHoxYzD4iqupVJFAA8P17qKZnNK/S8DwNM9QPCYlCYbP3yBgw m9iAQnixxhs1j+ccpjdZ7FgU8cwgaqBhZ4LsY+t9xMcTPnZlC86jHnH4oKdKWj+5uidbOLMQ aKdB2BuQMdUA+Orr8WD4+98kD1IR0t0l7dwFdQQVLSWFnIzYzqihGRlXpjd6H45/tHP0Ll3e NBqPFrbMhFQtrSHRaSVINXUXx6NXDobtprefQXCz8lQKaP2RqKfoYXGMj2GzePXYD4evwId7 fZbuXrpIU5C11wruUgTTLQdO0NQwNsKfnraDWOSJt6Pix2jZqhHewLIbimqcfFBzGmTxg8ri B8jiEJMYKWGL+Yvcn01H062KzttA8I9xuO7mMx8DcpvmcHljXIRylvj68LcxOw5RwXarbCI3 W+YhJgjeozP/mottAqO69NdQasZHiNrMpv8qa3x5fvHlF6Xp2RTlsf8lsAM3bxylAma4zi/K rChelGvwtBMaIwp+PqvBxGTPj1bq0HCKVxN9yeJ96au8McZ01QVq9pOCe5KXn2sz/+r+ATKc ci4TlF6WcsdvmVBZReAa4tk2TgIQWnkfljerLxh1W123DhuU/MuMZjg9KE4IogEWrjkfSxOq MlNDY00MzHayyOBTQh+hTnixW40722CpO1/jhaJZEKaK8LdXdmE1sBp9DV9zSM4HRtbGi1O7 9PI5fDHb5VjeiAOZqvaQUJNtUXCcTtQXSxl2Lwgwz3T04Vtfe0HRjfMc1RkHwacYqn/wNChx rMqMpPSk8lLtCx739e/T8lOLYDRxkPnqaxYM+BdQSwMEFAAAAAgA8Y2jMvgDewZMAAAAcgAA AAgAFQBNYWtlZmlsZVVUCQADFp13QlGdd0JVeAQA9QH1AXN283F0D7ZV0C0uSbFNtrRUUNBN V0goyE7XTc7PS8tMV9DVTU7LSUwvBjJyMpOKFdLy80ogUgkKCnhVFiTmpeenlRglcHEhNFlx AQBQSwECFwMUAAAACADKjqMyxxITDNQGAABUEgAADAANAAAAAAABAAAApIEAAAAAZm9udGNv bmZpZy5jVVQFAAOrnndCVXgAAFBLAQIXAxQAAAAIAPGNozL4A3sGTAAAAHIAAAAIAA0AAAAA AAEAAACkgRMHAABNYWtlZmlsZVVUBQADFp13QlV4AABQSwUGAAAAAAIAAgCKAAAAmgcAAAAA --------------000609090407030607050102-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 03 22:04:48 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DT9Fm-0007q7-Ms for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; 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Tue, 03 May 2005 20:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IFY00J0G0C3PC@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 20:02:27 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 19:02:28 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <427775A0.8020005@lilypond.org> To: Han-Wen Nienhuys Message-id: <6a966fd525dd1a5d70fe0894d6a6fa14@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> <7fd7899ff1386714469a99abb6107bab@shaw.ca> <427775A0.8020005@lilypond.org> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: 2.6 release. (Was: new manual chapter) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 02:04:44 -0000 On 3-May-05, at 5:59 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: >> Pressing: as of 2.5.20 (last version in fink), >> - lilypond-book: \usepackage{graphics} is not automatically added >> when creating >> the .tex file. > > Is that pressing? (I'm not sure whether to inlcude graphics, > graphicx, or another package.) Yes. People with working lilypond-book files will want to use them in 2.6.0, and there's no reason why they should modify all their .lytex files to include \usepackage. Especially if they would delete that line later, in 2.6.4 (or whenever we decided which package to use). And we'd need to change the docs to reflect the new requirement of the explicit \usepackage. Why not use graphics for now? It can always change later on. >> - I just moved Text stuff around in the manual, but I don't know what >> it looks like >> (committing blindly; see below). If you're going to release 2.5.22, I > > see the CVS commit list for a few tweaks that I had to do to make the > docs compile. Thanks. >> Not pressing (ie old bug, but personally annoying :) >> - lilypond-book: \pageBreak is ignored. I'll send another message to >> bug-lilypond; >> I was hoping it'd get fixed automagically when you changed backends, >> but it's still there. > > I think \pageBreak is rather silly when you use lilypond-book, since > the point is to let LaTeX figure out the breaking. If you need it, you > can use \book, though. Different circumstances -- I've got a four-page piece with only one rest that's near the midway point. I'd like to force a pagebreak at that rest to allow for page turning. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 03 22:17:30 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DT9S6-00061V-0J for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 22:17:30 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DT9Rx-0005yh-Pt for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 22:17:23 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DT9Rr-0005tE-Vu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 22:17:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DT9Rn-0005sR-HI for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 22:17:11 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DT9Uy-0005lJ-Eg for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 22:20:31 -0400 Received: from pd4mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr5so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.50]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IFY007OU0XWXN80@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 20:15:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IFY00MFB0XWHH60@pd4mr5so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 20:15:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IFY0025Z0XU84@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 20:15:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 19:15:31 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <427775A0.8020005@lilypond.org> To: Han-Wen Nienhuys Message-id: <34eadc0dfae48b3880f2ebd1c8fc2367@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> <7fd7899ff1386714469a99abb6107bab@shaw.ca> <427775A0.8020005@lilypond.org> Cc: lily-devel Subject: 2.5.22 on OSX X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 02:17:26 -0000 On 3-May-05, at 5:59 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >> It would be nice if the docs could be built in OSX for 2.6.0, but >> that isn't pressing. I'm >> going to get access to a linux box soon, so I could do my doc testing >> on > > Why can't you build the docs on your mac? At the moment I can't build lilypond at all. In a fresh source tree (2.5.22 tarball), I removed the fink patches (for 2.5.20-2) against clean-fonts.sh and lilypond-profile.sh (since those files were removed), and I also removed the fink patch to configure.in (since that patch was merged with CVS). Attempting to "make all" gives me this: ... rm -f ./out/interval.dep; DEPENDENCIES_OUTPUT="./out/interval.dep ./out/interval.o" g++ -c -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -Iinclude -I./out -I../flower/include -I../flower/./out -I/sw/include/ -no-cpp-precomp -I/sw/include/python2.3 -g -pipe -I/sw/include -I/sw/lib/pango-ft219/include/pango-1.0 -I/sw/lib/fontconfig2/include -I/sw/lib/freetype219/include/freetype2 -I/sw/lib/freetype219/include -I/sw/include/glib-2.0 -I/sw/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/sw/lib/freetype219/include/freetype2 -I/sw/include/ -no-cpp-precomp -I/sw/include/python2.3 -g -pipe -I/sw/include -I/sw/lib/pango-ft219/include/pango-1.0 -I/sw/lib/fontconfig2/include -I/sw/lib/freetype219/include/freetype2 -I/sw/lib/freetype219/include -I/sw/include/glib-2.0 -I/sw/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/sw/lib/freetype219/include/freetype2 -W -Wall -Wconversion -o out/interval.o interval.cc include/interval.tcc: In member function `void Interval_t::unite(Interval_t) [with T = int]': interval.cc:41: instantiated from here include/interval.tcc:92: warning: invalid conversion from `int' to `const char* ' include/interval.tcc:92: warning: initializing argument 1 of ` String::String(const char*)' include/interval.tcc:92: warning: invalid conversion from `int' to `const char* ' include/interval.tcc:92: warning: initializing argument 1 of ` String::String(const char*)' include/interval.tcc:92: error: cannot convert `const String' to `int' in assignment interval.cc:41: instantiated from here include/interval.tcc:93: warning: invalid conversion from `int' to `const char* ' include/interval.tcc:93: warning: initializing argument 1 of ` String::String(const char*)' include/interval.tcc:93: warning: invalid conversion from `int' to `const char* ' include/interval.tcc:93: warning: initializing argument 1 of ` String::String(const char*)' include/interval.tcc:93: error: cannot convert `const String' to `int' in assignment include/interval.tcc: In member function `void Interval_t::intersect(Interval_t) [with T = int]': interval.cc:41: instantiated from here include/interval.tcc:100: warning: invalid conversion from `int' to `const char*' include/interval.tcc:100: warning: initializing argument 1 of ` String::String(const char*)' include/interval.tcc:100: warning: invalid conversion from `int' to `const char*' include/interval.tcc:100: warning: initializing argument 1 of ` String::String(const char*)' include/interval.tcc:100: error: cannot convert `const String' to `int' in assignment interval.cc:41: instantiated from here include/interval.tcc:101: warning: invalid conversion from `int' to `const char*' include/interval.tcc:101: warning: initializing argument 1 of ` String::String(const char*)' include/interval.tcc:101: warning: invalid conversion from `int' to `const char*' include/interval.tcc:101: warning: initializing argument 1 of ` String::String(const char*)' include/interval.tcc:101: error: cannot convert `const String' to `int' in assignment include/interval.hh: In member function `void Interval_t::add_point(T) [with T = int]': interval.cc:41: instantiated from here include/interval.hh:53: warning: invalid conversion from `int' to `const char*' include/interval.hh:53: warning: initializing argument 1 of ` String::String(const char*)' include/interval.hh:53: warning: invalid conversion from `int' to `const char*' include/interval.hh:53: warning: initializing argument 1 of ` String::String(const char*)' include/interval.hh:53: error: cannot convert `const String' to `int' in assignment interval.cc:41: instantiated from here include/interval.hh:54: warning: invalid conversion from `int' to `const char*' include/interval.hh:54: warning: initializing argument 1 of ` String::String(const char*)' include/interval.hh:54: warning: invalid conversion from `int' to `const char*' include/interval.hh:54: warning: initializing argument 1 of ` String::String(const char*)' include/interval.hh:54: error: cannot convert `const String' to `int' in assignment include/interval.tcc: In member function `void Interval_t::unite(Interval_t) [with T = Real]': interval.cc:42: instantiated from here include/interval.tcc:92: error: could not convert ` (&h)->Drul_array::elem(Direction) const [with T = Real](LEFT)' to `const String&' include/string.hh:179: error: in passing argument 1 of `const String& min(const String&, const String&)' interval.cc:42: instantiated from here include/interval.tcc:93: error: could not convert ` (&h)->Drul_array::elem(Direction) const [with T = Real](RIGHT)' to `const String&' include/string.hh:179: error: in passing argument 1 of `const String& max(const String&, const String&)' include/interval.tcc: In member function `void Interval_t::intersect(Interval_t) [with T = Real]': interval.cc:42: instantiated from here include/interval.tcc:100: error: could not convert ` (&h)->Drul_array::elem(Direction) const [with T = Real](LEFT)' to `const String&' include/string.hh:179: error: in passing argument 1 of `const String& max(const String&, const String&)' interval.cc:42: instantiated from here include/interval.tcc:101: error: could not convert ` (&h)->Drul_array::elem(Direction) const [with T = Real](RIGHT)' to `const String&' include/string.hh:179: error: in passing argument 1 of `const String& min(const String&, const String&)' include/interval.hh: In member function `void Interval_t::add_point(T) [with T = Real]': interval.cc:42: instantiated from here include/interval.hh:53: error: could not convert ` this->Drul_array::elem(Direction) const [with T = Real](LEFT)' to `const String&' include/string.hh:179: error: in passing argument 1 of `const String& min(const String&, const String&)' interval.cc:42: instantiated from here include/interval.hh:54: error: could not convert ` this->Drul_array::elem(Direction) const [with T = Real](RIGHT)' to `const String&' include/string.hh:179: error: in passing argument 1 of `const String& max(const String&, const String&)' make[1]: *** [out/interval.o] Error 1 make: *** [all] Error 2 I don't know if OSX's version of gcc requires some special flags, or if it needs some extra libraries included... other than the problem of checking the docs, I'm content to wait until the fink port catches up. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 03 22:54:01 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTA1Q-0006R9-KR for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 22:54:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTA1M-0006Pl-Qe for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 22:53:56 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTA1J-0006OQ-Sr for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 22:53:54 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DT9zS-0005b9-Kh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 22:51:58 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DT9wy-0004ra-NJ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 22:49:25 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.21] (helo=smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSxYa-0005pM-JF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 09:35:24 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j43CvZIS090638; Tue, 3 May 2005 14:57:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@lilypond.org) Message-ID: <427775A0.8020005@lilypond.org> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 14:59:12 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival , lily-devel References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> <7fd7899ff1386714469a99abb6107bab@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <7fd7899ff1386714469a99abb6107bab@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Subject: Re: 2.6 release. (Was: new manual chapter) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 02:53:58 -0000 (replying to list) Graham Percival wrote: > Pressing: as of 2.5.20 (last version in fink), > - lilypond-book: \usepackage{graphics} is not automatically added when > creating > the .tex file. Is that pressing? (I'm not sure whether to inlcude graphics, graphicx, or another package.) > - I just moved Text stuff around in the manual, but I don't know what it > looks like > (committing blindly; see below). If you're going to release 2.5.22, I see the CVS commit list for a few tweaks that I had to do to make the docs compile. > > It would be nice if the docs could be built in OSX for 2.6.0, but that > isn't pressing. I'm > going to get access to a linux box soon, so I could do my doc testing on Why can't you build the docs on your mac? > Not pressing (ie old bug, but personally annoying :) > - lilypond-book: \pageBreak is ignored. I'll send another message to > bug-lilypond; > I was hoping it'd get fixed automagically when you changed backends, but > it's still there. I think \pageBreak is rather silly when you use lilypond-book, since the point is to let LaTeX figure out the breaking. If you need it, you can use \book, though. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@lilypond.org LilyPond Software Design - http://www.lilypond-design.com From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 04 14:29:30 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTOcj-0007Ie-VX for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 14:29:30 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTOcg-0007EH-MN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 14:29:27 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTOcf-0007Ca-H5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 14:29:25 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTOcf-00078l-8N for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 14:29:25 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DTOgU-00055S-Oj for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 14:33:22 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.33] (helo=smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTJen-0005mC-V9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 09:11:18 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j44D9aLD094303; Wed, 4 May 2005 15:09:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@lilypond.org) Message-ID: <4278C9F2.6000500@lilypond.org> Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 15:11:14 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stan Sanderson , lily-devel References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> <10751b38e0391423c11f5d2397249c20@ameritech.net> In-Reply-To: <10751b38e0391423c11f5d2397249c20@ameritech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Subject: Re: 2.6 release. (Was: new manual chapter) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 18:29:28 -0000 [redirecting to -devel list] Stan Sanderson wrote: > > Greetings and handclaps for bug fixes. thanks > > Despite long experience coding with Lilypond, I hardly feel competent > asking the question, but under what circumstances are dynamic fonts > missing from the OS X build? I don't actually know, but I have the problem over here, and so do some others. > I just finished coding over 50 pieces with the latest development > versions of Lilypond (as Matthias provided) and have seen no font > problems. I mentioned this earlier on the list. That's curious. Can you tell me the output of the following commands? * locate feta-alphabet20.pfa * lilypond --version * otool -L /path/to/lilypond * dpkg-query -l pangoft2'*' pango'*' fontconfig'*' freetype'*' -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@lilypond.org LilyPond Software Design - http://www.lilypond-design.com From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 04 14:37:00 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTOjz-0003fA-9C for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 14:36:59 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTOjw-0003dd-2T for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 14:36:56 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTOjr-0003c1-C7 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 14:36:53 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTOjq-0003Xa-Fu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 14:36:50 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DTOm6-00079Y-FO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 14:39:10 -0400 Received: from [64.233.184.203] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTKbY-00088k-4e for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 10:12:00 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so201591wri for ; Wed, 04 May 2005 07:09:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EuUVMFPg6aEyqeBtUVeL8PQOUxxTcpy5eyrIMtwyjaRo7gXn4SpUBkv4Ie0HSeiajhYNiEea2QuVns0YH3JwBubJuWJLnuS1j921/nLVgp+w5Oi8wT8s0zkQmiQBadUiZNgX6sya1JCyz/vPqd6x5hrcuIlKvLtQ96otQY10ZFY= Received: by 10.54.10.25 with SMTP id 25mr254740wrj; Wed, 04 May 2005 07:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.7.28 with HTTP; Wed, 4 May 2005 07:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:09:58 +0200 From: Erlend Aasland To: Han-Wen Nienhuys In-Reply-To: <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4047_12024748.1115215798678" References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: 2.6 release. (Was: new manual chapter) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Erlend Aasland List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 18:36:57 -0000 ------=_Part_4047_12024748.1115215798678 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 5/3/05, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >=20 > At the moment there are still these show-stoppers before I can release 2.= 6 > - drum notation is broken. >=20 > Any other pressing problems? Well, tablature is broken (seems to be related to the broken drum notation?= ) Erlend -- > Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@lilypond.org > LilyPond Software Design - http://www.lilypond-design.com >=20 > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > ------=_Part_4047_12024748.1115215798678 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 5/3/05, Han-Wen Nienhuys <hanwen@lilypond.org> wrote:
At the moment there are still these show-stoppers before I can release 2.6<= br>  - drum notation is broken.

Any other  pressing p= roblems?

Well, tablature is broken (seems to be related to the broken drum notation?= )

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------=_Part_4047_12024748.1115215798678-- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 04 15:27:46 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTPX1-0006TS-R6 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 15:27:40 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTPWy-0006Md-Os for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 15:27:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTPWx-0006It-Br for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 15:27:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTPWl-0005so-15 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 15:27:23 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DTPPh-0007Hj-T8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 15:20:06 -0400 Received: from [213.228.0.62] (helo=postfix4-1.free.fr) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTH1d-0002j9-ER for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 06:22:41 -0400 Received: from robert (aqu33-3-82-226-195-151.fbx.proxad.net [82.226.195.151]) by postfix4-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BB331786C; Wed, 4 May 2005 12:21:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nicolas by robert with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DTH5E-0001wn-D7; Wed, 04 May 2005 12:26:27 +0200 To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se References: <200505031207.08848.ersa9195@student.uu.se> From: Nicolas Sceaux X-Face: "gf86$#p, 6cy*Hn!InZ-W/%Hq+@V\Of4rnxOf`tol$KI?yE7=, m0K+H[PW#\! gy8HEFjW$0a^#9H$SOaZ[/Y-7qfM[5)*x=qW7bX{[{}wc."y$5e; nU9rxhIq`F0LaSvl9ws%p{B0$3 cHU1dw^>dB:s7c>Ebsbo}d{r5@J]P>Hnbmx| Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 12:26:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200505031207.08848.ersa9195@student.uu.se> (Erik Sandberg's message of "Tue, 3 May 2005 12:07:08 +0200") Message-ID: <87wtqfb833.fsf@free.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: nicolas.sceaux@free.fr X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on robert) Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Bugfixes X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 19:27:38 -0000 Erik Sandberg writes: > Hi all, > > I just closed a big bunch of bugs from the archive. (around 13 bugs, I think). > They were all recently fixed by Han-Wen. > > This makes a total of around 30 bugfixes this year, leaving only around 80 > open bugs left. > > May I suggest a big applause for Han-Wen? There is on my chimney a representation of Han-Wen as an Hindoo divinity (one that plays music, but flute, not French horn), with incense burning, and something like "hack and be merry" written in Sanskrit on it -- I guess. From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 04 15:30:50 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTPa4-0001K9-Ew for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 15:30:48 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTPa1-0001Is-Oh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 15:30:45 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTPa0-0001II-Hd for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 15:30:44 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTPa0-0001Em-4x for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 15:30:44 -0400 Received: from [130.233.228.92] (helo=smtp-2.hut.fi) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DTPcn-0005T6-Ht for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 15:33:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (katosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.115]) by smtp-2.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j44JSWZP003363 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 22:28:32 +0300 Received: from smtp-2.hut.fi ([130.233.228.92]) by localhost (katosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.115]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11467-13-2 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 22:28:31 +0300 (EEST) Received: from baresi.hut.fi (baresi-m.hut.fi [130.233.228.121]) by smtp-2.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j44JRZGs003234 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 22:27:35 +0300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by baresi.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.6/Submit) id j44JRZIs013915 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 4 May 2005 22:27:35 +0300 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: <1115234855.427922276e359@webmail1.hut.fi> Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 22:27:35 +0300 (EEST) From: Heikki Johannes Junes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: HUT webmail, IMP 2.2.6 X-Authenticated-Sender: hjunes@cc.hut.fi X-Originating-IP: 81.17.197.24 X-TKK-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.1.2-hutcc at katosiko.hut.fi Subject: Missing file lily/include/context-handle.hh X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Heikki.Junes@hut.fi List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 19:30:46 -0000 >From a fresh cvs-source, I got the following error messages: In file included from include/simple-music-iterator.hh:12, from apply-context-iterator.cc:9: include/music-iterator.hh:15:29: context-handle.hh: No such file or directory In file included from include/simple-music-iterator.hh:12, from apply-context-iterator.cc:9: include/music-iterator.hh:63: error: `Music' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:63: error: parse error before `)' token include/music-iterator.hh:64: error: syntax error before `*' token include/music-iterator.hh:65: error: `Context' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:65: error: parse error before `)' token include/music-iterator.hh:66: error: `Music' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:66: error: `mus' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:66: error: invalid data member initialization include/music-iterator.hh:66: error: (use `=' to initialize static data members) include/music-iterator.hh:67: error: `Music' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:67: error: parse error before `,' token include/music-iterator.hh:69: error: `Context' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:69: error: `from' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:69: error: `Context' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:69: error: `to' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:69: error: invalid data member initialization include/music-iterator.hh:69: error: variable or field `substitute_outlet' declared void include/music-iterator.hh:70: error: `Context' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:70: error: parse error before `,' token include/music-iterator.hh:78: error: `Music' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:78: error: parse error before `)' token include/music-iterator.hh:80: error: `Music' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:80: error: parse error before `)' token include/music-iterator.hh:82: error: syntax error before `*' token include/music-iterator.hh:85: error: `Context' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:85: error: parse error before `)' token include/music-iterator.hh:88: error: 'Context_handle' is used as a type, but is not defined as a type. include/music-iterator.hh:89: error: syntax error before `*' token include/music-iterator.hh:92: error: `Context' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:92: error: `me' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:92: error: `Context' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:92: error: `child' was not declared in this scope include/music-iterator.hh:92: error: initializer list being treated as compound expression apply-context-iterator.cc: In member function `virtual void Apply_context_iterator::process(Moment)': apply-context-iterator.cc:28: error: `get_music' undeclared (first use this function) apply-context-iterator.cc:28: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) apply-context-iterator.cc:31: error: `get_outlet' undeclared (first use this function) make[1]: *** [out/apply-context-iterator.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/hjunes/build/lilypond/lily' make: *** [all] Error 2 Seems like context-handle.hh is missing, and music.hh is missing in lily/include/music-iterator.hh -- Terveisin Heikki Junes From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 04 15:51:49 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTPuP-0000hz-NG for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; 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Wed, 4 May 05 11:59:54 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.51] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by pernis.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406B2257; Wed, 4 May 2005 11:59:54 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 11:59:52 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> In-Reply-To: <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505041159.54006.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: Han-Wen Nienhuys , Graham Percival Subject: Re: 2.6 release. (Was: new manual chapter) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 19:51:48 -0000 On Tuesday 03 May 2005 11.21, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: > >> The basic problem with complex examples, is that they're > >> difficult to read if you don't already know what they say. > > > > I confess that I haven't completely thought out what to do with this > > new possible chapter. I'm pretty sure that we could use another > > wordy chapter that explains some of the more complicated lilypond > > stuff; I'm not certain whether that should take the form of annotated > > short examples, annotated complicated contrived examples, or just > > an extension of the existing tutorial (but in a separate chapter for > > ease of reading). > > > > If we're going to have a new chapter, IMO it should be included before > > 2.6.0. We've rearranged the manual between 2.4 and 2.6, so users will > > have to get used to a new chapter numbering scheme; it would be a pity > > if 2.6.5 (or whatever) introduced a new chapter which changed the > > chapter numbering scheme again. > > In general, I advise to resist the temptation to start something new > (new chapter, new approaches), until you're sure that what we have > doesn't work. Starting something new is easy, but following through with > something isn't. > > Regarding the release: you can insert an empty chapter now. I hope to > release 2.6 Real Soon Now, and I don't want to stop the release because > of unwritten doc chapters. > > At the moment there are still these show-stoppers before I can release 2.6 > > - add encoding to emmentaler font for correct PDF embedding I suppose this is what causes bugs/chord-name-dim-symbol.ly. If not, this problem should be fixed as well. > - MacOS X doesn't get dynamic fonts > - drum notation is broken. > Any other pressing problems? There's nothing more that's strictly release-critical AFAIK, but you can consider these problems: - Midi is slightly more broken than before also (I think midi output worked better in 2.2 than in 2.4, but I don't know about any negative differences betw. 2.4 and 2.5). I don't think this is release-critical. - hangs-quote-grace.ly: This is a hang, but it occurs in 2.4 as well so it isn't strictly critical. - Two people complained already about progerror-stem-has-no-extent.ly. Could be worth fixing; just removing that progerror call could be OK for the stable branch. - slur-appoggiatura.ly: outstanding bug with no known good workaround. Occurs in 2.4 as well so not strictly critical. - Do a big grep -r 2.4 in e.g. documentation, this is sometimes forgotten in x.2n.0 releases. This list of issues is just based on what I have in the bug archive now, there could exist more problems. Erik From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 04 15:52:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTPvP-00016l-8M for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 15:52:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTPvN-00015S-MC for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 15:52:49 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTPvM-00014r-Ts for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 15:52:49 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTPvM-00014d-7n for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 15:52:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DTPR5-0007kX-T8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 15:21:32 -0400 Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by mx20.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTGje-0001QK-GQ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 06:04:06 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 May 2005 10:02:05 -0000 Received: from p54A9B8D4.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Beastland) [84.169.184.212] by mail.gmx.net (mp032) with SMTP; 04 May 2005 12:02:05 +0200 X-Authenticated: #8251126 Received: from al by Beastland with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DTGiU-0000Sh-00 for ; Wed, 04 May 2005 12:02:54 +0200 Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 12:02:54 +0200 From: Alexander Strasser To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: <20050504100254.GB967@Beastland> Mail-Followup-To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i Sender: al karma X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: 2.6 release. (Was: new manual chapter) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 19:52:50 -0000 Hi, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: > > > >> The basic problem with complex examples, is that they're > >>difficult to read if you don't already know what they say. > > > > > >I confess that I haven't completely thought out what to do with this > >new possible chapter. I'm pretty sure that we could use another > >wordy chapter that explains some of the more complicated lilypond > >stuff; I'm not certain whether that should take the form of annotated > >short examples, annotated complicated contrived examples, or just > >an extension of the existing tutorial (but in a separate chapter for > >ease of reading). > > > >If we're going to have a new chapter, IMO it should be included before > >2.6.0. We've rearranged the manual between 2.4 and 2.6, so users will > >have to get used to a new chapter numbering scheme; it would be a pity > >if 2.6.5 (or whatever) introduced a new chapter which changed the > >chapter numbering scheme again. > > In general, I advise to resist the temptation to start something new > (new chapter, new approaches), until you're sure that what we have > doesn't work. Starting something new is easy, but following through with > something isn't. > > Regarding the release: you can insert an empty chapter now. I hope to > release 2.6 Real Soon Now, and I don't want to stop the release because > of unwritten doc chapters. Just wanted to note that as a lilypond user i find Graham's idea very good. Also some time passed already since i last used lilypond, i still remember very clearly that i had big problems getting the pieces together to form a bigger picture of how my typical lily source file should look like. Release of course is different problem, and i don't want to say anything about that as you should know best about that topic. I only wanted to give feedback as it can be useful for developers (documentation writers are also devels in my oppinion). Alex (beastd) From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 04 18:29:36 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTSN6-0003ky-GK for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 18:29:36 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTSLi-0002wp-JX for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 18:28:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTSLT-0002Za-Jy for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 18:27:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTSLK-0002LH-6d for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 18:27:46 -0400 Received: from [130.233.228.92] (helo=smtp-2.hut.fi) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DTS1n-0006aL-Nq for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 18:07:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (katosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.115]) by smtp-2.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j44M27hJ031540 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 01:02:07 +0300 Received: from smtp-2.hut.fi ([130.233.228.92]) by localhost (katosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.115]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10714-23 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 01:02:07 +0300 (EEST) Received: from maldini.hut.fi (maldini-m.hut.fi [130.233.228.122]) by smtp-2.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j44LlH4C024450 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 00:47:17 +0300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by maldini.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.6/Submit) id j44LlH3A012854 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 5 May 2005 00:47:17 +0300 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: <1115243237.427942e509f9a@webmail2.hut.fi> Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 00:47:17 +0300 (EEST) From: Heikki Johannes Junes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: HUT webmail, IMP 2.2.6 X-Authenticated-Sender: hjunes@cc.hut.fi X-Originating-IP: 81.17.197.24 X-TKK-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.1.2-hutcc at katosiko.hut.fi Subject: NEW FEATURE (?): selecting voices for midi2ly X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Heikki.Junes@hut.fi List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 22:29:34 -0000 It would be nice if midi2ly could optionally treat only one channel. Below is the case in which it is nice. I accidentally deleted a .ly source, newly written. Fortunately, I had the .midi there. I had entered the source using SATB -template, thus all voices were there. But, alas, midi2ly produced the ly-source in pairs of Voices, like '', and the source produced was useless since I wanted also to put again lyrics in. I would like to do the conversion channel by channel, which is, currently, not possible. -- Terveisin Heikki Junes From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 04 18:29:55 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTSKG-0000Gd-P0 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 18:26:40 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTSJX-0007Ad-1i for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 18:25:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTSJT-00075u-RC for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 18:25:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTSJS-00073i-Vm; Wed, 04 May 2005 18:25:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DTPjF-0007qQ-Ey; Wed, 04 May 2005 15:40:17 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTEmZ-0002ge-Mz; Wed, 04 May 2005 03:59:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E5861A8C; Wed, 4 May 2005 09:56:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 24967-06; Wed, 4 May 2005 09:56:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id B769B61A8F; Wed, 4 May 2005 09:56:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94B561A8C; Wed, 4 May 2005 09:56:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4278802A.5050501@s3.kth.se> Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 09:56:26 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bertalan Fodor References: <42713B7C.7050001@freemail.hu> <42726A86.5040208@freemail.hu> <4275E930.3080606@s3.kth.se> <200505021322.56680.hforbric_lilypond@telus.net> <42771200.7040209@freemail.hu> In-Reply-To: <42771200.7040209@freemail.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org, lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Ossia above staff X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 22:26:38 -0000 I just discovered the example called staff-container.ly in the Tips and Tricks document, that might provide a solution to this problem. I haven't tried to work out the details, though. /Mats Bertalan Fodor wrote: > I'd be happy to donate for this as well. And not to forget multiple=20 > ossias in the same line. >=20 > Bert >=20 > Hans Forbrich =EDrta: >=20 >> I second that, together with an offer for a modest amount of funding. >> Note that the ossia samples to which I have access include the=20 >> following features: >> >> 1) above the 'master' 2) smaller font >> 3) may start at location other than bar line >> 4) dashed lines (lined up with bar lines) join master to ossia >> >> Samples are in Schirmer's Operatic Anthology (Vol V - bass). let me=20 >> know if copies are required. >> >> /Hans >> >> =20 >> >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 =09 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 04 20:40:44 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTUPz-0005Fo-GZ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 20:40:43 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTUPx-0005Ex-Gh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 20:40:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTUPw-0005EY-QP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 20:40:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTUMv-0001Zt-Sr for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 20:37:33 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.21] (helo=smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTU1x-0005Dl-4Z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 20:15:53 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j450AfsY034756; Thu, 5 May 2005 02:10:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@lilypond.org) Message-ID: <427964E5.5070006@lilypond.org> Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 02:12:21 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> <200505041159.54006.ersa9195@student.uu.se> In-Reply-To: <200505041159.54006.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Graham Percival , lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: 2.6 release. (Was: new manual chapter) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 00:40:42 -0000 Erik Sandberg wrote: >>Regarding the release: you can insert an empty chapter now. I hope to >>release 2.6 Real Soon Now, and I don't want to stop the release because >>of unwritten doc chapters. >> >>At the moment there are still these show-stoppers before I can release 2.6 >> >> - add encoding to emmentaler font for correct PDF embedding > > > I suppose this is what causes bugs/chord-name-dim-symbol.ly. If not, this > problem should be fixed as well. ah, that's a pressing issue too: unicode handling seems to be broken on MacOS X. What happens if you try to set cyrillic texts on MacOS X ? > - Two people complained already about progerror-stem-has-no-extent.ly. Could > be worth fixing; just removing that progerror call could be OK for the stable > branch. I'll look into it. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@lilypond.org LilyPond Software Design - http://www.lilypond-design.com From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 04 20:54:00 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTUcq-0001hd-Go for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 20:54:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTUco-0001gF-PZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 20:53:58 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTUcm-0001ep-Ki for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 20:53:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTUcm-0001e7-1R for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 20:53:56 -0400 Received: from [130.238.7.33] (helo=limicola.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTUgG-00015L-2V for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 20:57:32 -0400 Received: by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id AE3964961; Thu, 5 May 2005 02:52:25 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from limicola.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by limicola.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s217107; Thu, 5 May 05 02:52:14 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.51] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68F048BA; Thu, 5 May 2005 02:52:13 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg To: Han-Wen Nienhuys Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 02:52:14 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <200505041159.54006.ersa9195@student.uu.se> <427964E5.5070006@lilypond.org> In-Reply-To: <427964E5.5070006@lilypond.org> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505050252.16623.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: Graham Percival , lilypond-devel@gnu.org, erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se Subject: Re: 2.6 release. (Was: new manual chapter) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 00:53:59 -0000 On Thursday 05 May 2005 02.12, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Erik Sandberg wrote: > >>Regarding the release: you can insert an empty chapter now. I hope to > >>release 2.6 Real Soon Now, and I don't want to stop the release because > >>of unwritten doc chapters. > >> > >>At the moment there are still these show-stoppers before I can release > >> 2.6 > >> > >> - add encoding to emmentaler font for correct PDF embedding > > > > I suppose this is what causes bugs/chord-name-dim-symbol.ly. If not, this > > problem should be fixed as well. > > ah, that's a pressing issue too: unicode handling seems to be broken on > MacOS X. What happens if you try to set cyrillic texts on MacOS X ? I'm afraid this is not the problem in this case: chord-name-dim-symbol occurs for me under debian/testing, and cyrillic texts work perfectly. -- Erik Sandberg Maintainer of the Lilypond bug CVS archive, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/lilypond/lily-bugs/bugs/ http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/bugs/out/index.html From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 04 23:30:05 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTX3s-0004tL-PF for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 23:30:04 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTX3j-0004kv-5m for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 23:29:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTX3f-0004hS-Ni for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 23:29:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTX3e-0004e5-OK for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 23:29:50 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DTX6e-0001z2-C8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 23:32:56 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DTWul-0004JG-0P for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 05:20:39 +0200 Received: from 66-90-147-100.dyn.grandenetworks.net ([66.90.147.100]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 05 May 2005 05:20:38 +0200 Received: from robert.wyatt by 66-90-147-100.dyn.grandenetworks.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 05 May 2005 05:20:38 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org From: Robert T Wyatt Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 22:17:21 -0500 Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 14 Message-ID: <42799041.8000503@mail.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66-90-147-100.dyn.grandenetworks.net User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Sender: news Subject: 2.5.20-2 on MacOS 10.3.9 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 03:29:57 -0000 I was able to build it and install it, but when I try to run it: -bash-3.00$ lilypond test.ly dyld: lilypond can't open library: /usr/X11R6/lib/libexpat.1.dylib (No such file or directory, errno = 2) Trace/BPT trap -bash-3.00$ lilypond --version dyld: lilypond can't open library: /usr/X11R6/lib/libexpat.1.dylib (No such file or directory, errno = 2) Trace/BPT trap -bash-3.00$ fink list lilypond Information about 4863 packages read in 66 seconds. lilypond 2.4.5-2 GNU Music Typesetter i lilypond-devel 2.5.20-2 GNU Music Typesetter From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 05 01:15:09 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTYhY-0002AT-7o for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 01:15:08 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTYhT-00029O-Rd for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 01:15:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTYhR-00028s-CF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 01:15:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTYXq-0006Nt-LQ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 01:05:06 -0400 Received: from [4.156.189.105] (helo=tuba.laymusic.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTYA1-0001Os-DA for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 00:40:34 -0400 Received: by tuba.laymusic.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 72CAAFA0009; Thu, 5 May 2005 00:35:18 -0400 (EDT) To: Han-Wen Nienhuys , lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Face: +h=WU/v,Ro}5P&TcQ=|qp9>.kdKUH!`7s(WC)X/15|Nd{D!]zW(^%[Sp(}0v"O|b=C9z}*4@)x_C2fgA~Wi&@/V"f6vs*B.1`(}; T=]?M6O; HvGS References: <4277B123.5050308@xs4all.nl> From: Laura Conrad Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 00:29:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4277B123.5050308@xs4all.nl> (Han-Wen Nienhuys's message of "Tue, 03 May 2005 19:13:07 +0200") Message-ID: <87psw6nvlu.fsf@serpent.laymusic.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: Re: .22 is out X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 05:15:05 -0000 --=-=-= >>>>> "HN" == Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: HN> LilyPond version 2.5.22 is out. The crash problem I reported that was introduced between 2.5.20 and 2.5.21 has gone away, thanks. 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for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 08:33:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTfXa-0004Jo-UA for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 08:33:19 -0400 Received: from [213.163.128.201] (helo=lotus.glocalnet.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTfbB-0001Oa-K6 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 08:37:01 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (84.217.112.219) by lotus.glocalnet.net (7.1.016.1) (authenticated as matsb@glocalnet.net) id 41EB6A2F026F954A; Thu, 5 May 2005 14:31:15 +0200 Message-ID: <427A1201.9070905@s3.kth.se> Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 14:30:57 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han-Wen Nienhuys References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> <7fd7899ff1386714469a99abb6107bab@shaw.ca> <427775A0.8020005@lilypond.org> In-Reply-To: <427775A0.8020005@lilypond.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: 2.6 release. (Was: new manual chapter) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 12:33:25 -0000 Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > > (replying to list) > > Graham Percival wrote: > >> Pressing: as of 2.5.20 (last version in fink), >> - lilypond-book: \usepackage{graphics} is not automatically added >> when creating >> the .tex file. > > > Is that pressing? (I'm not sure whether to inlcude graphics, graphicx, > or another package.) In my opinion, lilypond-book should include a line \RequirePackage{graphicx} just before \begin{document}. This means that you don't get an error on documents where graphicx is already loaded. Another question is graphicx versus graphics, but as far as I know, the graphicx package is the newer and better of the two. I have also recently reported other another lilypond-book, namely that the linewidth of LaTeX documents isn't taken into account in the scores. I could probably fix these two issues myself, but since I don't have a good grasp of the overall structure of the program for the moment, it might take me some time, so if someone else wants to do it, please go ahead. /Mats From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 05 11:48:57 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTiau-0005b6-VP for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 11:48:57 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTias-0005aa-Um for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 11:48:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTias-0005aO-Ky for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 11:48:54 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTiZ5-0004vE-SU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 11:47:03 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.112] (helo=BAY0-SMTP05.phx.gbl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTid5-0003Fv-Em for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 11:51:11 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.174.203] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.174.203]) by BAY0-SMTP05.phx.gbl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 5 May 2005 08:44:53 -0700 Message-ID: <008801c55189$612d3810$cbae0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Stephen" , "Mats Bengtsson" References: <4256A587.7060908@s3.kth.se> Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 10:44:34 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2005 15:44:54.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[61F6A290:01C55189] Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: \midi in \book X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 15:48:55 -0000 Perhaps my suggestion was not clear enough, I am suggesting placing one midi block outisde of the score blocks to effect every score block in the book. This would allow multiple midi scores be automatically concatenated into a single midi file. Otherwise, only the midi file in the last score is saved, the previous ones being overwritten. But I suppose multiple midi files overwriting each other instead of being saved as mid-1, mid-2, etc. is a bug? and therefore this is fixing a problem that should not exist? Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" To: "Mats Bengtsson" Cc: "lilypond devel" Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 8:53 AM Subject: Re: \midi in \book >I am thinking more in terms of making this legal: > > \book { > \score { \header { piece = "Adjutant's Call" } \transpose c c'' { > \adjutantscall } \layout { } } > \score { \header { piece = "Retreat" } \transpose c c'' { \retreat } > \layout { } } > \score { \header { piece = "To The Color" } \transpose c c'' { > \tothecolor } \layout { } } > \score { \header { piece = "Tatoo" } \transpose c c'' { \tattoo } \layout > { } } > \score { \header { piece = "Call To Quarters" } \transpose c c'' { > \calltoquarters } \layout { } } > \score { \header { piece = "Taps" } \transpose c c'' { \taps } \layout > { } } > \midi { \context { \Voice \remove Span_dynamic_performer } } > } > > Stephen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mats Bengtsson" > To: "Stephen" > Cc: "lilypond devel" > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: \midi in \book > > >> How about: >> \score{ s4 \midi {\tempo 4=60 }} >> >> /Mats >> >> Stephen wrote: >> >>> There is a need for a book scope \midi block that has a one second >>> silence inserted between scores analogous to beforetitlespace in page >>> layout. >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> lilypond-devel mailing list >>> lilypond-devel@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 05 14:47:00 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTlNE-0003V2-Qm for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 14:47:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSISs-0004Z6-1v for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 13:42:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DSISr-0004YQ-BE for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 13:42:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSIN0-00015M-IL for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 13:36:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DSINL-0001hA-HW for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 13:37:03 -0400 Received: from [24.214.63.101] (helo=smtp.knology.net) by mx20.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DRYPC-0003Y3-Hj for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:31:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 22971 invoked by uid 0); 29 Apr 2005 16:29:53 -0000 Received: from user-24-214-73-158.knology.net (HELO Notebook) (24.214.73.158) by smtp7.knology.net with SMTP; 29 Apr 2005 16:29:53 -0000 From: "Fairchild" To: "'Mats Bengtsson'" Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:29:48 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c54cd8$a9e289d0$6501a8c0@Notebook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <42709F2C.2060000@s3.kth.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 May 2005 14:46:58 -0400 Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: RE: new title on multiple \score blocks in same file X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 17:42:46 -0000 The doc link isn't clear, but it implies that a second invocation of = \header is still limited. I now get the desired result by using \markup and \tag. This works, but horizontal positioning is tedious. Feature request: add "\margin-align dir arg" to \markup commands, = similar to \halign, but relative to page margins, not the associated note. If dir = =3D -1, flush left, dir =3D +1, flush right, interpolate linearly in = between. - Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se]=20 Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:31 AM To: Fairchild Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: new title on multiple \score blocks in same file In the development versions, it is now easy to redefine how the titling = is done for each score, see the bottom of the page at http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/Creating= -ti tles.html#Creating-titles For page breaks, see the section on page breaking. /Mats Fairchild wrote: > Mats - >=20 > Looking for a neat way to insert complete \header information for=20 > selected \score blocks in a sequence of \score blocks. >=20 > Found the below message in the archives. >=20 > Did the feature ever happen? >=20 > - Bruce >=20 > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >=20 > From: Mats Bengtsson =20 > Subject: Re: new title on multiple \score blocks in same file =20 > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:40:43 +0100 =20 >=20 > I send a copy of this to bug-lilypond since it's a feature request. >=20 > As you have noted, you will only get a new indication of piece and=20 > opus for each subsequent \score. I agree with you that it would be=20 > great to have some option to automatically print a number of=20 > individual parts from a single input file. However, then you would=20 > also like a new page for each new \score. Also, the page numbers=20 > should be reset and maybe the layout should be changed to typeset the=20 > instrument name in the page heading. >=20 > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org=20 > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 =09 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 05 14:53:00 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTlT1-0007e1-IC for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 14:52:59 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTQDO-0003Ka-Kc for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 16:11:26 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTQDM-0003EK-0g for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 16:11:24 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTQDL-00039n-8t for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 16:11:23 -0400 Received: from [213.197.64.6] (helo=relay.freestart.hu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTQGt-00071F-3E for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 16:15:03 -0400 Received: from mail by freestart.hu with local (Freestart relay 1 (FS-Lin)) id 1DTQCG-0001Gw-00 for ; Wed, 04 May 2005 22:10:16 +0200 Received: from line-66-39.dial.freestart.hu ([213.197.66.39] helo=localhost.localdomain)by freestart.hu with esmtp (Freestart relay 1 (FS-Lin))id 1DTQCE-0001GC-00; Wed, 04 May 2005 22:10:14 +0200 To: reuter@ipd.uka.de Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 22:09:52 +0200 From: "Pal Benko" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54u1 (Linux, build 892) X-freestart-banner: Yes X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 May 2005 14:52:58 -0400 Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: mensural notation X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 20:11:27 -0000 Hi Jürgen, > What I do not understand, if you want neo-mensural noteheads, why not just > doing "\override Voice.NoteHead #'style = #'neomensural"? As far as I can see, the main difference between neomensural and mensural notehead are (besides the different parameters) that mensural noteheads have diamond shape at their centerline, while neomensural heads have it at the outer boundary, and I just need this. Note that with my patch the mensural and neomensural noteheads still look different. My main point is to have bigger noteheads, almost two linespaces high; but it should not be so big that a notehead between two stafflines have those lines visible in the interior hole. p ____________________________________________________________________ Miert fizetsz az internetert? Korlatlan, ingyenes internet hozzaferes a FreeStarttol. Probald ki most! http://www.freestart.hu From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 05 16:04:17 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTma0-0007m1-TM for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 16:04:17 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTmO9-00070X-Gi for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 15:52:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTmO4-0006tV-TF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 15:51:58 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTmO3-0006q1-Ei for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 15:51:55 -0400 Received: from [128.119.243.168] (helo=mail.cs.umass.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DTmRs-0003fL-H3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 15:55:52 -0400 Received: from tungsten.cs.umass.edu (tungsten.cs.umass.edu [128.119.240.42]) by mail.cs.umass.edu (8.12.11/8.12.5) with ESMTP id j45JoYrj027842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:50:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Phillip Kirlin To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2004888304-968877230-1115322631=:6113" X-Spam-Net-Tests: NO (loki, relay 128.119.240.42 auth=site-local) X-Spam-Checked: This message probably not SPAM X-Spam-Score: -4.901, Required: 5 X-Spam-Tests: BAYES_00 X-Spam-Report-$ThisHost: ---- Start SpamAssassin (v2.6xx-cscf) results -4.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-MIMEDefang-Relay-1852595aaf0946a4530a11f79d6f33e3dfd75698: 128.119.240.42 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 May 2005 16:04:14 -0400 Subject: lily 2.5.22 compiling X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 19:52:03 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2004888304-968877230-1115322631=:6113 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Hi all, Here's an error message I'm getting...any ideas? It appears to be=20 something wrong with lily.scm in the Scheme code... --Phil Kirlin =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D [snip...] make[2]: Entering directory=20 `/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/Documentation/user' cd ./out &&=20 /nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/lily/out/lilypond=20 --verbose=20 /nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/ly/generate-documentation GNU LilyPond 2.5.22 LILYPOND_DATADIR=3D"/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/share/lilypond/2.5.22" LILYPONDPREFIX=3D"/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/li= lypond/2.5.22" LOCALEDIR=3D"/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/share/locale" Effective prefix:=20 "/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22" [/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm= /lily-library.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/l= ilypond/2.5.22/scm/file-cache.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypon= d-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/define-music-types.scm][/nfs/tungsten/us= ers2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/output-lib.scm][= /nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/= c++.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.= 5.22/scm/chord-ignatzek-names.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypon= d-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/chord-entry.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pk= irlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/chord-generic-names.scm= ][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/sc= m/stencil.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilyp= ond/2.5.22/scm/markup.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22= /share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/bass-figure.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/sr= c/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/music-functions.scm][/nfs/tungs= ten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/part-combi= ner.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.= 5.22/scm/define-music-properties.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lily= pond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/auto-beam.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/p= kirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/chord-name.scm][/nfs/t= ungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/ly-fro= m-scheme.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypo= nd/2.5.22/scm/define-context-properties.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/s= rc/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/translation-functions.scm][/nf= s/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/scr= ipt.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.= 5.22/scm/midi.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/l= ilypond/2.5.22/scm/beam.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.= 22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/clef.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lil= ypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/slur.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirl= in/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/font.scm][/nfs/tungsten/us= ers2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/encoding.scm][/n= fs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/fr= et-diagrams.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lil= ypond/2.5.22/scm/define-markup-commands.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/s= rc/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/define-grob-properties.scm][/n= fs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/de= fine-grobs.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lily= pond/2.5.22/scm/define-grob-interfaces.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/sr= c/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/page-layout.scm][/nfs/tungsten/= users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/titling.scm][/= nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/p= aper.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2= =2E5.22/scm/backend-library.scm][/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-= 2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/x11-color.scmBacktrace: In=20 /nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/= lily.scm: 185: 0* [for-each # #] In /nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/share/guile/1.6/srfi/srfi-1.scm: 661: 1 (if (null? rest) (letrec ((lp #)) (lp list1)) ...) ... 665: 2 (begin (f (car l)) (lp (cdr l))) 666: 3* [ly:load "x11-color.scm"] In=20 /nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/= lily.scm: 72: 4 (let (#) (if # #) (primitive-load file-name) ...) 75: 5* [primitive-load=20 "/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lil$ /nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/= lily.scm:75:5:=20 In procedure scm_lreadr in expression (primitive-load file-name): /nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/= lily.scm:75:5:=20 unknown # object make[2]: *** [out/lilypond-internals.texi] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory=20 `/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/Documentation/user' make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory=20 `/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/Documentation' make: *** [all] Error 2 --2004888304-968877230-1115322631=:6113-- From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 05 16:38:40 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTn7G-0003Tj-9h for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 16:38:38 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTn75-0003Pt-7R for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 16:38:27 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTn71-0003Mk-AG for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 16:38:23 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTn70-0003K9-Q8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 16:38:22 -0400 Received: from [195.70.32.130] (helo=mail.interware.hu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTn7n-0006T7-1P; Thu, 05 May 2005 16:39:11 -0400 Received: from caracas-3989.adsl.interware.hu ([213.178.115.149]) by mail.interware.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1DTn2d-0008Iq-4D; Thu, 05 May 2005 22:33:51 +0200 Message-ID: <427A8324.4060600@freemail.hu> Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 22:33:40 +0200 From: Bertalan Fodor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: hu-hu, hu, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen References: <426A036C.2020904@freemail.hu> <871x8zkyxi.fsf@peder.flower> <426CD4E2.6080903@freemail.hu> <87oec2kimf.fsf@peder.flower> <426D1C95.9000100@freemail.hu> <87hdhukb8u.fsf@peder.flower> <426D441D.30102@freemail.hu> <87acnmk5of.fsf@peder.flower> <87is1x8luc.fsf@peder.flower> In-Reply-To: <87is1x8luc.fsf@peder.flower> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Build error using kpathsea-4 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 20:38:30 -0000 Yeah! It builds and runs. Bert Jan Nieuwenhuizen írta: >Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes: > >There was a problem with cygkpathsea-4.dll. Can you try the >unreleased tetex-3.0.0-3 from lilypond.org/cygwin? That should work >now. > >Jan. > > > From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 05 16:43:13 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTnBh-000625-9E for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 16:43:13 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTnBf-00060M-Fr for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 16:43:11 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTnBe-0005zT-Kg for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 16:43:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTn7a-0003K9-GJ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 16:38:58 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.27] (helo=smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTmwR-00044N-71 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 16:27:27 -0400 Received: from peder.flower (appel.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.178]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j45KM8fP090389; Thu, 5 May 2005 22:22:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janneke@gnu.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTmrE-0000EU-59; Thu, 05 May 2005 22:22:04 +0200 To: Bertalan Fodor References: <426A036C.2020904@freemail.hu> <871x8zkyxi.fsf@peder.flower> <426CD4E2.6080903@freemail.hu> <87oec2kimf.fsf@peder.flower> <426D1C95.9000100@freemail.hu> <87hdhukb8u.fsf@peder.flower> <426D441D.30102@freemail.hu> <87acnmk5of.fsf@peder.flower> From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: Jan at Appel Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 22:22:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87acnmk5of.fsf@peder.flower> (Jan Nieuwenhuizen's message of "Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:38:40 +0200") Message-ID: <87is1x8luc.fsf@peder.flower> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Build error using kpathsea-4 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 20:43:12 -0000 Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes: There was a problem with cygkpathsea-4.dll. Can you try the unreleased tetex-3.0.0-3 from lilypond.org/cygwin? That should work now. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 05 17:11:00 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTncZ-00087u-JJ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 17:10:59 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTncS-00086D-Lc for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 17:10:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTncH-00082A-3P for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 17:10:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTncG-0007yH-WB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 17:10:41 -0400 Received: from [213.163.128.201] (helo=lotus.glocalnet.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTndq-00082W-DF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 17:12:18 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (84.217.112.219) by lotus.glocalnet.net (7.1.016.1) (authenticated as matsb@glocalnet.net) id 41EB6A2F02716780; Thu, 5 May 2005 23:06:59 +0200 Message-ID: <427A8AF7.2000004@s3.kth.se> Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 23:07:03 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen References: <4256A587.7060908@s3.kth.se> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: \midi in \book X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 21:10:56 -0000 Yes, this bug has been fixed in recent 2.5.xx versions, if I remember correctly. /Mats Stephen wrote: > Perhaps my suggestion was not clear enough, I am suggesting placing one > midi block outisde of the score blocks to effect every score block in > the book. This would allow multiple midi scores be automatically > concatenated into a single midi file. Otherwise, only the midi file in > the last score is saved, the previous ones being overwritten. But I > suppose multiple midi files overwriting each other instead of being > saved as mid-1, mid-2, etc. is a bug? and therefore this is fixing a > problem that should not exist? > > Stephen > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" > To: "Mats Bengtsson" > Cc: "lilypond devel" > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: \midi in \book > > >> I am thinking more in terms of making this legal: >> >> \book { >> \score { \header { piece = "Adjutant's Call" } \transpose c c'' { >> \adjutantscall } \layout { } } >> \score { \header { piece = "Retreat" } \transpose c c'' { \retreat } >> \layout { } } >> \score { \header { piece = "To The Color" } \transpose c c'' { >> \tothecolor } \layout { } } >> \score { \header { piece = "Tatoo" } \transpose c c'' { \tattoo } >> \layout { } } >> \score { \header { piece = "Call To Quarters" } \transpose c c'' { >> \calltoquarters } \layout { } } >> \score { \header { piece = "Taps" } \transpose c c'' { \taps } \layout >> { } } >> \midi { \context { \Voice \remove Span_dynamic_performer } } >> } >> >> Stephen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Bengtsson" >> >> To: "Stephen" >> Cc: "lilypond devel" >> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:38 AM >> Subject: Re: \midi in \book >> >> >>> How about: >>> \score{ s4 \midi {\tempo 4=60 }} >>> >>> /Mats >>> >>> Stephen wrote: >>> >>>> There is a need for a book scope \midi block that has a one second >>>> silence inserted between scores analogous to beforetitlespace in >>>> page layout. >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> lilypond-devel mailing list >>>> lilypond-devel@gnu.org >>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lilypond-devel mailing list >> lilypond-devel@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 05 18:32:40 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTotc-0001T1-Of for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 18:32:40 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTomM-0006Tb-I6 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 18:25:11 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTomB-0006Oc-VA for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 18:25:00 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTomB-0006GN-9H for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 18:24:59 -0400 Received: from [130.238.4.153] (helo=pernis.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTom5-0003XL-CT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 18:24:53 -0400 Received: by pernis.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id 52E99310; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:19:34 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from pernis.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by pernis.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s385; Fri, 6 May 05 00:19:31 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.51] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by pernis.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BB8310; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:19:31 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Stephen Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 00:19:31 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: In-Reply-To: X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505060019.32333.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: Mats Bengtsson Subject: Re: \midi in \book X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 22:32:38 -0000 On Thursday 05 May 2005 17.44, Stephen wrote: > Perhaps my suggestion was not clear enough, I am suggesting placing one > midi block outisde of the score blocks to effect every score block in the > book. This would allow multiple midi scores be automatically concatenated > into a single midi file. Otherwise, only the midi file in the last score is > saved, the previous ones being overwritten. But I suppose multiple midi > files overwriting each other instead of being saved as mid-1, mid-2, etc. > is a bug? and therefore this is fixing a problem that should not exist? The problem with midi files overwriting each other, should be fixed in 2.5.22. -- Erik Sandberg Maintainer of the Lilypond bug CVS archive, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/lilypond/lily-bugs/bugs/ http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/bugs/out/index.html From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 05 19:54:15 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTq9X-0004ka-CN for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:53:11 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTq9C-00045i-6W for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:52:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTq8y-0003fx-HM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:52:37 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTq8G-0002MV-9y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:51:52 -0400 Received: from [128.119.243.168] (helo=mail.cs.umass.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DTqCJ-0003A4-F8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:56:03 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (68-112-238-33.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com [68.112.238.33]) (authenticated bits=0 authid=pkirlin) by mail.cs.umass.edu (8.12.11/8.12.5) with ESMTP id j45NohRD008952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 19:50:43 -0400 Message-ID: <427AB153.40201@cs.umass.edu> Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 19:50:43 -0400 From: Phillip Kirlin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org References: <427A86B3.5020109@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <427A86B3.5020109@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Net-Tests: NO (loki, relay 68.112.238.33 auth=pkirlin) X-Spam-Checked: This message probably not SPAM X-Spam-Score: -4.901, Required: 5 X-Spam-Tests: BAYES_00 X-Spam-Report-$ThisHost: ---- Start SpamAssassin (v2.6xx-cscf) results -4.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-MIMEDefang-Relay-1852595aaf0946a4530a11f79d6f33e3dfd75698: 68.112.238.33 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 Subject: Re: lily 2.5.22 compiling X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 23:53:09 -0000 pkirlin@tungsten:~/src/lilypond-2.5.22$ guile-config --version guile-config - Guile version 1.6.5 If it helps to know, compiling the stable version (2.4.5) works, so I have all the necessary software for that. Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Phillip Kirlin wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Here's an error message I'm getting...any ideas? It appears to be >> something wrong with lily.scm in the Scheme code... > > > which version of GUILE are you running? > From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 05 20:08:13 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DTqO4-0002d7-Lu for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 20:08:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTqO3-0002cD-1w for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 20:08:11 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTqH9-0008Cp-AU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 20:01:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTqGy-0007S5-Em for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 20:00:52 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.29] (helo=smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTqDo-0003Z1-Vw for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:57:37 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j45NqGQ8089128; Fri, 6 May 2005 01:52:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <427AB216.5010909@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 01:53:58 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se References: <8f608d6ee7772366ce92fcd6aa5f0fd5@seanreed.de> <42796701.7060100@xs4all.nl> <200505060055.19755.ersa9195@student.uu.se> In-Reply-To: <200505060055.19755.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Sean Reed , lily-devel Subject: Re: non-markup stencils X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 00:08:11 -0000 Erik Sandberg wrote: > On Thursday 05 May 2005 02.21, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > >>2. the >>internal design document (some versions have been floating on the >>lilypond-devel list) > > > That sounds useful. I can't find that document in the ml archives though, do > you have any hints about which keywords to search for? try Sorensen Linhardt LilyPond -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 06 06:25:44 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DU01K-0005MM-Lt for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 06:25:23 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTzzI-0004eM-Li for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 06:23:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTzpt-0002CE-KK for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 06:13:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTzoO-00014a-Ui for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 06:12:02 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.24] (helo=smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTzNI-0001lw-MP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 05:44:01 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j469cWdD007354; Fri, 6 May 2005 11:38:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <427B3B7D.70505@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 11:40:13 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phillip Kirlin References: <427A86B3.5020109@xs4all.nl> <427AB153.40201@cs.umass.edu> In-Reply-To: <427AB153.40201@cs.umass.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: lily 2.5.22 compiling X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 10:25:04 -0000 Phillip Kirlin wrote: > pkirlin@tungsten:~/src/lilypond-2.5.22$ guile-config --version > guile-config - Guile version 1.6.5 > > If it helps to know, compiling the stable version (2.4.5) works, so I > have all the necessary software for that. Can you try work out (by removing sections of the file) exactly which line is causing the problem? I can't see anything out of the ordinary with lily.scm line 75. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 06 07:08:23 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DU0gw-0007Pf-Dl for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 07:08:22 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DU0gs-0007Nk-Rk for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 07:08:19 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DU0gq-0007M9-5R for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 07:08:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DU0dJ-00064t-O4 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 07:04:37 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DU0Yv-0005H8-G7 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 07:00:06 -0400 Received: from pd3mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr6so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.21]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG200KA5EB2OU50@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 04:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd3mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG200D4UEB21F40@pd3mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 04:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IG200A1IEAXN9@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 04:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 03:54:30 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Docs before 2.6 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 11:08:20 -0000 Here's the list of things to be done before 2.6 comes out: - (right before 2.6) change all "2.4.0" to "2.6.0" in Documentation/user/examples.itely A simple regex will get them all and won't disrupt anything else, but we shouldn't do it right now or else all the templates will be broken. - preface.itely: Notes for 2.6. This should be written by Jan and Han-Wen. - invoking.itely: 5.3 Environment variables. Do we need these any more? I guess we still have LILYPONDPREFIX and LANG, but I'm not certain if everything else in this section is needed. - INSTALL: this still lists TeX as a requirement for compiling. Is that still true? There's a few things that I can improve (how to do markup in lyrics, the new and mysterious chapter 4, general cleanup, misc stuff from -user), but IMO those aren't release-critical. Thoughts? - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 06 07:17:27 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DU0MU-0001Q2-7e for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 06:47:14 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTzw0-0003WD-8m for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 06:19:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DTzbF-0001Pv-3U for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 05:58:31 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTzT3-00014a-W9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 05:49:59 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTzX9-0005F2-NX for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 05:54:11 -0400 Received: from pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.212]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG200DVGB99WX70@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 03:48:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG200K2FB991A40@pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 03:48:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IG200J23B987I@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 03:48:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 02:48:43 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: default MetronomeMark #padding X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 10:47:11 -0000 I think we should increase the default amount of #padding for MetronomeMark. I personally use 2.5 for all my scores; that may be a bit much for some people, so I propose making it 1.5. We've recently had a bunch of people on lilypond-user asking how to make it higher. Obviously it's good to have them learn about \override and the like, but I think that 0.8 is too small for any engraving project. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 06 08:16:28 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DU1gL-0005sn-2s for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 08:11:49 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DU1gB-0005oB-Fb for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 08:11:39 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DU1g4-0005lk-QC for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 08:11:33 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DU1g4-0005lB-Lq for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 08:11:32 -0400 Received: from [130.233.228.94] (helo=smtp-4.hut.fi) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DU1iL-0004Yb-4v for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 08:13:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (katosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.115]) by smtp-4.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46C8Nt6008598 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:08:23 +0300 Received: from smtp-4.hut.fi ([130.233.228.94]) by localhost (katosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.115]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08880-21-5 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:08:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from baresi.hut.fi (baresi-m.hut.fi [130.233.228.121]) by smtp-4.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46C7XJ3008414 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:07:33 +0300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by baresi.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.6/Submit) id j46C7Xjo014419 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:07:33 +0300 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: <1115381253.427b5e051af87@webmail1.hut.fi> Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 15:07:33 +0300 (EEST) From: Heikki Johannes Junes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: HUT webmail, IMP 2.2.6 X-Authenticated-Sender: hjunes@cc.hut.fi X-Originating-IP: 130.233.172.74 X-TKK-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.1.2-hutcc at katosiko.hut.fi Subject: missing Tab_staff_symbol_engraver X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Heikki.Junes@hut.fi List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 12:11:47 -0000 In ly/engraver-init.ly (CVS), there is \context { \Staff \alias "Staff" \name "TabStaff" \denies "Voice" \remove "Staff_symbol_engraver" \consists "Tab_staff_symbol_engraver" ... } But, "Tab_staff_symbol_engraver" is not defined anywhere. This results in an error in "make all". -- Terveisin Heikki Junes From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 06 09:53:49 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DU3H0-0004dn-IZ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 09:53:48 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DU3Gu-0004cZ-PQ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 09:53:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DU3Gs-0004ba-Ds for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 09:53:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DU3Ep-0003uV-Qy for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 09:51:32 -0400 Received: from [128.119.243.168] (helo=mail.cs.umass.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DU3D9-0000tt-DH for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 09:49:47 -0400 Received: from loki.cs.umass.edu (IDENT:sbmrFNMSzNPENeHPtDs7P0q741FLWTFg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.umass.edu (8.12.11/8.12.5) with ESMTP id j46DiJ5D001887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 09:44:19 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by loki.cs.umass.edu (8.12.11/8.12.5/Submit) id j46DiJF9001886 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 6 May 2005 09:44:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: loki.cs.umass.edu: apache set sender to pkirlin@cs.umass.edu using -f Received: from edwin22.cs.umass.edu (edwin22.cs.umass.edu [128.119.41.65]) by loki.cs.umass.edu (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 06 May 2005 09:44:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1115387059.427b74b3635f9@loki.cs.umass.edu> Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:44:19 -0400 From: pkirlin@cs.umass.edu To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org References: <427A86B3.5020109@xs4all.nl> <427AB153.40201@cs.umass.edu> <427B3B7D.70505@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <427B3B7D.70505@xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 128.119.41.65 Subject: Re: lily 2.5.22 compiling X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 13:53:43 -0000 I'll take another look at it. The error I'm getting seems similar to the one mentioned here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2005-04/msg00299.html Again, the full message is pkirlin@tungsten:~/src/lilypond-2.5.22/Documentation$ make make --no-builtin-rules PACKAGE=LILYPOND package=lilypond -C user all && make --no-builtin-rules PACKAGE=LILYPOND package=lilypond -C bibliography all && make --no-builtin-rules PACKAGE=LILYPOND package=lilypond -C pictures all && make --no-builtin-rules PACKAGE=LILYPOND package=lilypond -C topdocs all && make --no-builtin-rules PACKAGE=LILYPOND package=lilypond -C misc all && true make[1]: Entering directory `/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond- 2.5.22/Documentation/user' cd ./out && /nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond- 2.5.22/lily/out/lilypond --verbose /nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond- 2.5.22/ly/generate-documentation GNU LilyPond 2.5.22 LILYPOND_DATADIR="/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/share/lilypond/2.5.22" LILYPONDPREFIX="/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond- 2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22" LOCALEDIR="/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/share/locale" Effective prefix: "/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond- 2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22" [snip...] nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond-2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/x11- color.scmBacktrace: In /nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond- 2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/lily.scm: 185: 0* [for-each # #] In /nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/share/guile/1.6/srfi/srfi-1.scm: 661: 1 (if (null? rest) (letrec ((lp #)) (lp list1)) ...) ... 665: 2 (begin (f (car l)) (lp (cdr l))) 666: 3* [ly:load "x11-color.scm"] In /nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond- 2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/lily.scm: 72: 4 (let (#) (if # #) (primitive-load file-name) ...) 75: 5* [primitive-load "/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond- 2.5.22/share/lil$ /nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond- 2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/lily.scm:75:5: In procedure scm_lreadr in expression (primitive-load file-name): /nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond- 2.5.22/share/lilypond/2.5.22/scm/lily.scm:75:5: unknown # object make[1]: *** [out/lilypond-internals.texi] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/nfs/tungsten/users2/pkirlin/src/lilypond- 2.5.22/Documentation/user' make: *** [all] Error 2 Quoting Han-Wen Nienhuys : > Phillip Kirlin wrote: > > pkirlin@tungsten:~/src/lilypond-2.5.22$ guile-config --version > > guile-config - Guile version 1.6.5 > > > > If it helps to know, compiling the stable version (2.4.5) works, so I > > have all the necessary software for that. > > Can you try work out (by removing sections of the file) exactly which > line is causing the problem? I can't see anything out of the ordinary > with lily.scm line 75. > > > -- > Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 06 11:46:22 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DU51x-0003Dh-LB for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 11:46:21 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DU1i8-0006DI-DA for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 08:13:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DU1i6-0006Cm-Mq for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 08:13:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DU1gu-0005lB-Dh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 08:12:24 -0400 Received: from [193.252.22.20] (helo=smtp12.wanadoo.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DU1Pu-0000Xq-Cg for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 07:54:50 -0400 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1209.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 668961C000B4 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 13:49:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [81.251.237.143] (AMarseille-152-1-32-143.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.251.237.143]) by mwinf1209.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 18C511C00090; Fri, 6 May 2005 13:49:21 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20050506114921101.18C511C00090@mwinf1209.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <427B59CB.3000207@wanadoo.fr> Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 13:49:31 +0200 From: Jean-Charles & Isabelle Malahieude User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; fr-FR; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gauvainpocentek@yahoo.fr X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 06 May 2005 11:46:20 -0400 Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: A french Website X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 12:13:41 -0000 Sorry to come so late on this topic, but lists were unreachable for more than a week. As a french user, I would be glad to contribute to this plan, either as translator or proof reader. The best thing, in my opinion, would be to translate one part, and on another hand making proof reading of another part that has been translated by someone else. Jean-Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 06 11:46:22 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DU51y-0003E5-2O for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 11:46:22 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DU4qI-00065M-0m for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 11:34:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DU4qB-00061I-1B for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 11:34:11 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DU4qA-0005z2-2u for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 11:34:10 -0400 Received: from [24.214.63.101] (helo=smtp.knology.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DU4tr-0007ED-23 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 11:37:59 -0400 Received: (qmail 31025 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2005 15:32:28 -0000 Received: from user-24-214-73-158.knology.net (HELO Notebook) (24.214.73.158) by smtp1.knology.net with SMTP; 6 May 2005 15:32:28 -0000 From: "Fairchild" To: Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 10:32:13 -0500 Message-ID: <005c01c55250$ca97bb50$6501a8c0@Notebook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <42773147.8050209@s3.kth.se> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 06 May 2005 11:46:20 -0400 Subject: RE: Slur attachment gone in 2.4? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 15:34:22 -0000 Feature request: slur-interface A slur attachment (pair) cons of symbols indicating how a slur should be attached at the = ends. The format is '(LEFT-TYPE . RIGHT-TYPE), where both TYPEs are symbols. = The values of these symbols may be alongside-stem, stem, head or loose-end. Default value: '(#f . #f) - Bruce -----Original Message----- From: lilypond-user-bounces+fairchild=3Dknology.net@gnu.org [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+fairchild=3Dknology.net@gnu.org] On Behalf = Of Mats Bengtsson Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 3:08 AM To: Ruud.vanSilfhout@mutopiaproject.org Cc: Lilypond User Subject: Re: Slur attachment gone in 2.4? Ruud van Silfhout wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Still busy converting Mutopia files I ran into the a piece containing=20 > a > Slur attachment =3D (head . head). > It looks as though it is either not translated into an appropriate new = > attribute of Slur (by convert-ly) or it is gone in 2.4.3. As far as I know it was removed in 2.4. However, in 2.5, a new mechanism = has been introduced to adjust slur positions, see the example called slur-manual.ly in=20 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/input/regression/out-www/collated-files.html= > I tried to look on the mailing lists, but I could not access the gnu > website. It seems to be down for the moment. However, in the few cases when this server is down, you could also use the mail archive instead http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-user%40gnu.org/ Among others, the following mail provides some answers to your question, http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-user@gnu.org/msg10696.html /Mats _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org = http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 06 12:11:20 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DU5Q7-0005s6-GM for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:11:19 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DU5Q3-0005rI-Me for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:11:16 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DU5Q0-0005qv-Q0 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:11:13 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DU5PS-0005Cz-LD for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:10:38 -0400 Received: from [130.233.228.92] (helo=smtp-2.hut.fi) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DU5Ak-0004X2-6i for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 11:55:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (katosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.115]) by smtp-2.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46FnshJ015962 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 18:49:54 +0300 Received: from smtp-2.hut.fi ([130.233.228.92]) by localhost (katosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.115]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07257-11-4 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 18:49:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from baresi.hut.fi (baresi-m.hut.fi [130.233.228.121]) by smtp-2.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j46FmR4C015726 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 18:48:27 +0300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by baresi.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.6/Submit) id j46FmRuq028599 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 6 May 2005 18:48:27 +0300 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: <1115394507.427b91cb85e38@webmail1.hut.fi> Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 18:48:27 +0300 (EEST) From: Heikki Johannes Junes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: HUT webmail, IMP 2.2.6 X-Authenticated-Sender: hjunes@cc.hut.fi X-Originating-IP: 130.233.172.74 X-TKK-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.1.2-hutcc at katosiko.hut.fi Subject: makeinfo-4.8 (last stable) vs. makeinfo-4.7 (debian-sid) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Heikki.Junes@hut.fi List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 16:11:17 -0000 Seems like makeinfo-4.8 is needed over makeinfo-4.7 in order to properly `make install`. With makeinfo-4.7 (from debian sid), I got install-info --remove --info-dir=/usr/local/info ./out/lilypond.info install-info(./out/lilypond.info): no entry for file `lilypond'. install-info --info-dir=/usr/local/info ./out/lilypond.info install-info(./out/lilypond.info): Invalid info entry make[2]: *** [local-install-info] Error 9 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/hjunes/src/lilypond/Documentation/user' make[1]: *** [install] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/hjunes/src/lilypond/Documentation' make: *** [install] Error 2 but compiling with makeinfo-4.8 (get it from http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/texinfo/texinfo-4.8.tar.bz2) install-info --remove --info-dir=/usr/local/info ./out/lilypond.info install-info --info-dir=/usr/local/info ./out/lilypond.info *************************************************************** For images in the INFO docs to work, do make out=www install-info So, that finally all compiled nicely using, however, makeinfo-4.8. -- Terveisin Heikki Junes From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 06 13:19:55 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DU6UV-0001ih-BC for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 13:19:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DU6UR-0001hc-9n for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 13:19:51 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DU6UQ-0001hJ-EB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 13:19:50 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DU6Ql-0007xm-Vu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 13:16:04 -0400 Received: from [128.187.22.98] (helo=Damato.exch.ad.byu.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DU6R8-00051u-Q3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 13:16:27 -0400 Received: from STRONG.exch.ad.byu.edu ([128.187.22.100]) by Damato.exch.ad.byu.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 6 May 2005 11:10:47 -0600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:10:45 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: non-markup stencils Thread-Index: AcVSXop12N9+LnTkTzamCDxaEobHJA== From: "Carl D. Sorensen" To: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2005 17:10:48.0147 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C238A30:01C5525E] Cc: Sean Reed , lily-devel Subject: RE: non-markup stencils X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 17:19:53 -0000 Han-Wen wrote: >Erik Sandberg wrote: >> On Thursday 05 May 2005 02.21, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >>=20 >>>2. the >>>internal design document (some versions have been floating on the=20 >>>lilypond-devel list) >>=20 >>=20 >> That sounds useful. I can't find that document in the ml archives=20 >> though, do you have any hints about which keywords to search for? > >try > > Sorensen Linhardt LilyPond The latest version that I've seen on the list is at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2005-04/msg00204.html Carl Sorensen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 06 15:08:13 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DU8BH-000548-SI for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 15:08:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DU8BB-00050a-SG for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 15:08:06 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DU8B7-0004yl-Uh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 15:08:02 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DU8B6-0004us-GO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 15:08:00 -0400 Received: from [128.119.243.168] (helo=mail.cs.umass.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DU8Dq-0006Vv-Bk for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 15:10:50 -0400 Received: from [128.119.240.196] (silver.cs.umass.edu [128.119.240.196]) by mail.cs.umass.edu (8.12.11/8.12.5) with ESMTP id j46J5IC3022359 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:05:19 -0400 Message-ID: <427BBFEE.8070705@cs.umass.edu> Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 15:05:18 -0400 From: Phillip Kirlin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Net-Tests: NO (loki, relay 128.119.240.196 auth=site-local) X-Spam-Checked: This message probably not SPAM X-Spam-Score: -4.901, Required: 5 X-Spam-Tests: BAYES_00 X-Spam-Report-$ThisHost: ---- Start SpamAssassin (v2.6xx-cscf) results -4.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-MIMEDefang-Relay-1852595aaf0946a4530a11f79d6f33e3dfd75698: 128.119.240.196 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 Subject: Suggestion: EPS backend X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 19:08:09 -0000 Hi, Here's an idea I've been wondering about: it would be nice if lilypond were able to automatically generated encapsulated postscript files (EPS) as well as regular postscript files (PS) if so desired. I believe lilypond-book already does this, so presumably there's a good way to do it, however, there are other reasons why you might want an EPS file of your score when you're not using LaTeX/lilypond-book. So what about an "--eps" option to generate EPS like there is a "--ps" option now? --Phil Kirlin From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 06 21:15:18 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUDtI-0005Hk-5W for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 21:14:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUDt6-0005Dr-N2 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 21:13:49 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUDt5-0005DN-Kd for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 21:13:47 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUDrF-00041a-QV for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 21:11:53 -0400 Received: from [130.233.228.92] (helo=smtp-2.hut.fi) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DUDq1-0004iz-AZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 21:10:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (putosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.114]) by smtp-2.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j47151hJ018608 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 04:05:01 +0300 Received: from smtp-2.hut.fi ([130.233.228.92]) by localhost (putosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.114]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29478-34-2 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 04:05:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from maldini.hut.fi (maldini-m.hut.fi [130.233.228.122]) by smtp-2.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j471484C018537 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 04:04:08 +0300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by maldini.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.6/Submit) id j47148d5007116 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 7 May 2005 04:04:08 +0300 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: <1115427848.427c14085d82e@webmail2.hut.fi> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 04:04:08 +0300 (EEST) From: Heikki Johannes Junes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: HUT webmail, IMP 2.2.6 X-Authenticated-Sender: hjunes@cc.hut.fi X-Originating-IP: 81.17.197.24 X-TKK-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.1.2-hutcc at putosiko.hut.fi Subject: Bug or Feature?: Lyrics have no durations X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Heikki.Junes@hut.fi List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 01:13:51 -0000 Should the durations in Lyrics affect the placement of lyrics? Currently, { c4 d8 e8 f4 } \addlyrics { Hii,4 hei4 ho!4 } produces { c4 d8 e8 f4 } \addlyrics { Hii,4 hei8 ho!8 } but I wanted { c4 d8 e8 f4 } \addlyrics { Hii, hei \skip 8 ho! } Durations have no effect, contrary to what is written in http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/Entering-lyrics.html#Entering-lyrics In general, I can have any numbers in Lyrics -mode -- they will have no effect. -- Terveisin Heikki Junes From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 07 04:47:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUKxe-0000hL-LJ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 04:46:59 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUKwH-00088O-Dc for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 04:45:33 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUKpt-00066t-Mr for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 04:38:58 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUKc8-0004hj-PV for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 04:24:46 -0400 Received: from [130.238.7.33] (helo=limicola.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUKcb-0002W6-8n for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 04:25:13 -0400 Received: by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id 8957A4936; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:19:31 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from limicola.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by limicola.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s258053; Sat, 7 May 05 10:19:25 +0200 Received: from tyto.its.uu.se (tyto3.its.uu.se [130.238.4.192]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9DB48DC; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:19:24 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by tyto.its.uu.se with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUKVY-0003iu-Kq; Sat, 07 May 2005 10:17:56 +0200 Received: from h164n2fls306o1114.telia.com (h164n2fls306o1114.telia.com [81.225.203.164]) by webmail.uu.se (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sat, 07 May 2005 10:17:56 +0200 Message-ID: <1115453876.427c79b493a78@webmail.uu.se> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 10:17:56 +0200 From: Erik Sandberg To: Heikki.Junes@hut.fi, Heikki Johannes Junes References: <1115427848.427c14085d82e@webmail2.hut.fi> In-Reply-To: <1115427848.427c14085d82e@webmail2.hut.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Bug or Feature?: Lyrics have no durations X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 08:46:01 -0000 Citerar Heikki Johannes Junes : >=20 > Should the durations in Lyrics affect the placement of lyrics? >=20 > Currently, >=20 > { c4 d8 e8 f4 } \addlyrics { Hii,4 hei4 ho!4 } >=20 > produces >=20 > { c4 d8 e8 f4 } \addlyrics { Hii,4 hei8 ho!8 } >=20 > but I wanted >=20 > { c4 d8 e8 f4 } \addlyrics { Hii, hei \skip 8 ho! } >=20 > Durations have no effect, contrary to what is written in >=20 > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/Entering= -lyrics.html#Entering-lyrics There is a difference between \addlyrics and \lyricmode. \addlyrics or \l= yricsto ignore all durations and aligns syllables to notes, if you just use \lyr= icmode lily will use the durations you typed. Erik From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 07 10:40:45 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUQU0-0004tR-L2 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 10:40:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUQTw-0004ry-LP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 10:40:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUQTt-0004qJ-Gy for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 10:40:37 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUQS8-0003cc-Fz for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 10:38:48 -0400 Received: from [144.140.71.18] (helo=gizmo08ps.bigpond.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUQIj-00057e-6Q for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 10:29:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 19073 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 14:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO psmam12.bigpond.com) (144.135.25.103) by gizmo08ps.bigpond.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 14:23:11 -0000 Received: from cpe-203-45-88-35.nsw.bigpond.net.au ([203.45.88.35]) by psmam12.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_4_2a 228/24816535) with SMTP id 24816535; Sun, 08 May 2005 00:23:11 +1000 Message-ID: <009501c55310$3f567520$0700a8c0@MANGAS2> From: "Peter Leschev" To: Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 00:22:46 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0092_01C55364.0F181A40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Problem with PNG output X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 14:40:41 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C55364.0F181A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm trying to produce png formatted output using = lilypond for the first time. I'm using FC3 with an rpm install. See the = output below. Looks like it's trying to execute 'ps2png' rather than = 'lilypond-ps2png'. Copying '/usr/bin/lilypond-ps2png' to = '/usr/bin/ps2png' is a quick fix for now... Cheers, Peter [pleschev@white ~]$ lilypond --formats=3Dpng lily-303112308.ly GNU LilyPond 2.5.23 Processing `lily-303112308.ly' Parsing... Interpreting music... [1] Preprocessing graphical objects... Calculating line breaks... Calculating page breaks... Layout output to `lily-303112308.ps'... Converting to PNG... `ps2png --resolution=3D90 --papersize=3D"a4" 'lily-303112308.ps'' failed = (32512) error: failed files: "lily-303112308.ly" [pleschev@white ~]$ which ps2png /usr/bin/which: no ps2png in [pleschev@white ~]$ which lilypond-ps2png /usr/bin/lilypond-ps2png ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C55364.0F181A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
       =20         I'm trying to produce png = formatted output=20 using lilypond for the first time. I'm using FC3 with an rpm install. = See the=20 output below. Looks like it's trying to execute 'ps2png' rather than=20 'lilypond-ps2png'. Copying '/usr/bin/lilypond-ps2png' to = '/usr/bin/ps2png' is a=20 quick fix for now...
 
Cheers,
Peter
 
[pleschev@white ~]$ lilypond = --formats=3Dpng=20 lily-303112308.ly
GNU LilyPond 2.5.23
Processing=20 `lily-303112308.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music... = [1]
Preprocessing=20 graphical objects...
Calculating line breaks...
Calculating page=20 breaks...
Layout output to `lily-303112308.ps'...
Converting to=20 PNG...
`ps2png --resolution=3D90 --papersize=3D"a4" = 'lily-303112308.ps'' failed=20 (32512)
error: failed files: "lily-303112308.ly"
[pleschev@white ~]$ which = ps2png
/usr/bin/which:=20 no ps2png in <SNIPPED>
 
[pleschev@white ~]$ which=20 lilypond-ps2png
/usr/bin/lilypond-ps2png
 
------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C55364.0F181A40-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 07 17:09:23 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUWY5-0001Wt-Gm for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:09:21 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUWY2-0001VX-H0 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:09:18 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUWY1-0001V5-Bl for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:09:17 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUWWt-0000yM-Vw for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:08:08 -0400 Received: from [212.227.126.177] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUWG2-0005a0-On for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:50:43 -0400 Received: from pD9FDC989.dip0.t-ipconnect.de[217.253.201.137] (helo=rigel.site) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1DUWAN1H65-0005tW; Sat, 07 May 2005 22:44:51 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rigel.site (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id j47CwBAw013111 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:58:11 +0200 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 14:58:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20050507.145810.123972768.wl@gnu.org> To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org From: Werner LEMBERG X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2.50 on Emacs 22.0.50.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:2dc398bc694a1e60948148ba0a42c0da Subject: framework-ps.scm bug X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 21:09:19 -0000 [CVS 2005-05-06 21:33] Saying lilypond --ps typography-demo.ly gives a lot of unpleasant warnings before it dies (see below for a log with additional option `-V'). Werner ====================================================================== GNU LilyPond 2.5.24 LILYPOND_DATADIR="/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24" LOCALEDIR="/usr/local/share/locale" Effective prefix: "/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24" [/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/lily-library.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/file-cache.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/define-music-types.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/output-lib.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/c++.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/chord-ignatzek-names.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/chord-entry.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/chord-generic-names.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/stencil.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/markup.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/bass-figure.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/music-functions.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/part-combiner.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/define-music-properties.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/auto-beam.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/chord-name.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/ly-from-scheme.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/define-context-properties.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/translation-functions.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/script.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/midi.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/beam.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/clef.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/slur.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/font.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/encoding.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/fret-diagrams.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/define-markup-commands.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/define-grob-properties.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/define-grobs.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/define-grob-interfaces.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/page-layout.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/titling.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/paper.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/backend-library.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/x11-color.scm][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/safe-lily.scm] Initializing FontConfig... adding font directory: /usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/fonts/otf/ adding font directory: /usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/fonts/type1/ adding font directory: /usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/fonts/svg/ Processing `typography-demo.ly' Parsing...[/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/init.ly[/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/declarations-init.ly[/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/music-functions-init.ly][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/nederlands.ly][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/drumpitch-init.ly][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/chord-modifiers-init.ly][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/script-init.ly][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/scale-definitions-init.ly][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/grace-init.ly][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/midi-init.ly[/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/performer-init.ly]][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/paper-defaults.ly[/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/titling-init.ly]][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/engraver-init.ly][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/dynamic-scripts-init.ly][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/spanners-init.ly][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/ly/property-init.ly]][typography-demo.ly Interpreting music... [/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/fonts/otf/emmentaler-20.otf][8] elapsed time: 0.96 seconds Element count 1337 (spanners 76) Preprocessing graphical objects... Grob count 1691[/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/fonts/otf/emmentaler-11.otf][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/fonts/otf/emmentaler-13.otf][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/fonts/otf/emmentaler-14.otf][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/fonts/otf/emmentaler-16.otf][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/fonts/otf/emmentaler-18.otf][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/fonts/otf/emmentaler-23.otf] Calculating line breaks... Global shortest duration is 1/16 [feta-alphabet20_7.3798828125][feta-alphabet14_5.21875] programming error: adding reverse spring, setting to unit continuing, cross fingers [century_schoolbook_l__3.615234375][century_schoolbook_l__bold_4.05859375] programming error: Multi_measure_rest::get_rods (): I am not spanned! continuing, cross fingers [century_schoolbook_l__3.220703125][3][century_schoolbook_l__4.05859375][6] Optimal demerits: 2.453014 programming error: Spanner `Hairpin' is not fully contained in parent spanner `DynamicLineSpanner'. Element count 554.[[/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/fonts/otf/aybabtu.otf]0][1][[century_schoolbook_l__italic_4.5556640625]2] Interpreting music... elapsed time: 0.30 seconds MIDI output to `typography-demo.midi'... Track... [0][1][2][3][4][century_schoolbook_l__bold_6.4423828125] Calculating page breaks... Layout output to `typography-demo.ps'...[/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/fonts/type1/PFAaybabtu.pfa][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/fonts/type1/PFAemmentaler-11.pfa][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/fonts/type1/PFAemmentaler-14.pfa][/usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/fonts/type1/PFAemmentaler-20.pfa]Backtrace: In /usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/lily.scm: 312: 8* [ly:parse-file "typography-demo.ly"] In unknown file: ?: 9* [ly:parser-print-book # #] ?: 10* [output-framework "typography-demo" # ...] In /usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/framework-ps.scm: 317: 11* (let* (# # # ...) (output-scopes scopes fields ...) ...) 328: 12* [write-preamble #< Output_def> #t #] In unknown file: ?: 13 (letrec ((load-fonts #) (load-font #)) (if load-fonts? (for-each # #)) ...) In /usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/framework-ps.scm: 299: 14* (if load-fonts? (for-each (lambda # # # ...) (load-fonts paper))) 300: 15 [for-each # ... 305: 16* [load-fonts #< Output_def>] 269: 17 (let* ((fonts #) (all-font-names #) (font-names #) (pfas #)) pfas) 296: 18* [map # (# # # # ...)] In /usr/local/share/guile/1.6/srfi/srfi-1.scm: 647: 19 (if (null? rest) (map1 f list1) ...) ... 638: 20 (begin (set-cdr! p (list (f #))) (lp (cdr ls) (cdr p))) 639: 21* [set-cdr! (#) ... 639: 22* [list ... 639: 23* [load-font #] In /usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/framework-ps.scm: 236: 24 (let* (# # # #) (cons # #)) 241: 25 [cons "Kochi-Gothic" ... 243: 26* (cond (# #) (# #) (# #) ...) 254: 27 [ly:ttf->pfa "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/kochi-gothic.ttf"] /usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/framework-ps.scm:254:10: In procedure scm_allocate_string in expression (ly:ttf->pfa bare-file-name): /usr/local/share/lilypond/2.5.24/scm/framework-ps.scm:254:10: Argument 1 out of range: 16845688 From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 07 17:11:04 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUWZj-00025q-20 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:11:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUWZc-00023G-7j for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:10:56 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUWZb-000230-1k for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:10:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUWWu-0000yM-9C for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:08:08 -0400 Received: from [212.227.126.187] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUWFt-0005Zi-C3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:50:33 -0400 Received: from pD9FDC989.dip0.t-ipconnect.de[217.253.201.137] (helo=rigel.site) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1DUWAG32fJ-0005tW; Sat, 07 May 2005 22:44:44 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rigel.site (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id j47H5KAw023794 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:05:20 +0200 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 19:05:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20050507.190520.252838546.wl@gnu.org> To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org From: Werner LEMBERG X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2.50 on Emacs 22.0.50.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:2dc398bc694a1e60948148ba0a42c0da Subject: option --ps doesn't behave correctly X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 21:10:57 -0000 If I say lilypond --ps foo.ly I expect to get `foo.ps', and nothing else, but lilypond always runs ps2pdf to produce a PDF file. Werner From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 07 17:11:24 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUWa3-0002Am-5T for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:11:23 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUWZj-00026C-S5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:11:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUWZi-00025L-22 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:11:02 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUWWu-0000yM-3J for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:08:08 -0400 Received: from [212.227.126.177] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUWFx-0005a0-DA for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:50:37 -0400 Received: from pD9FDC989.dip0.t-ipconnect.de[217.253.201.137] (helo=rigel.site) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1DUWAL03xT-0005tW; Sat, 07 May 2005 22:44:49 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rigel.site (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id j47CdBAw004769 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:39:11 +0200 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 14:39:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20050507.143910.85822901.wl@gnu.org> To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org From: Werner LEMBERG X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2.50 on Emacs 22.0.50.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:2dc398bc694a1e60948148ba0a42c0da Subject: compiling CVS 2005-05-06 21:33 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 21:11:05 -0000 Studying the output of `make all', I've found some minor issues (note that I've stripped all irrelevant directory prefixes): . python buildscripts/substitute-encoding.py --outdir=mf/out \ mf/out/PFAemmentaler-11.pfa rm mf/out/*.scale.pfa rm: cannot remove `mf/out/*.scale.pfa': No such file or directory . makeinfo --enable-encoding \ -I Documentation/user/out \ --output=Documentation/user/out/music-glossary.info \ Documentation/user/out/music-glossary.nexi Documentation/user/out/music-glossary.nexi:1029: warning: @strong{Note...} produces a spurious cross-reference in Info; reword to avoid that. ... Werner From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 07 18:12:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUXXV-0004wm-UF for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:12:50 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUXRv-0002u5-R8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:07:03 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUXRc-0002ni-Lh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:06:44 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUXRc-0002he-Hr for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:06:44 -0400 Received: from [66.181.240.7] (helo=Mail.Ultrasw.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUXQ6-0007RL-RR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:05:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unverified [66.181.242.216]) by Mail.Ultrasw.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.1.361.0) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:59:15 -0700 Message-ID: <427D3A37.1080002@ultrasw.com> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 14:59:19 -0700 From: Paul Scott User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org References: <20050507.190520.252838546.wl@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <20050507.190520.252838546.wl@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: option --ps doesn't behave correctly X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 22:12:47 -0000 Werner LEMBERG wrote: >If I say > > lilypond --ps foo.ly > >I expect to get `foo.ps', and nothing else, but lilypond always runs >ps2pdf to produce a PDF file. > > What version? It works fine on 2.4.x. Paul Scott From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 07 18:55:45 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUYD2-0003PU-Vh for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:55:45 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUVgf-0003UY-1h for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:14:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUVgb-0003SZ-CX for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:14:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUVga-0003PO-G0 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:14:04 -0400 Received: from [131.111.8.130] (helo=ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUVjh-0004w9-3f for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:17:17 -0400 X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from c16.al.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.110.66]:52206 helo=beethoven) by ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.130]:25) with esmtp id 1DUVe2-0007LG-1m (Exim 4.51) for lilypond-devel@gnu.org (return-path ); Sat, 07 May 2005 21:11:26 +0100 Received: from ssb22 by beethoven with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DUVdp-0003np-00; Sat, 07 May 2005 21:11:13 +0100 From: "Silas S. Brown" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17021.8417.665318.719227@beethoven.homeunix.net> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 21:11:13 +0100 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailer: VM 7.03 under 21.4 (patch 6) "Common Lisp" XEmacs Lucid X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 07 May 2005 18:55:44 -0400 Subject: Making lilypond MIDI output more expressive X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 20:14:13 -0000 Hi, I found a GPL program called Director Musices (the result of a PhD thesis) that makes MIDI output more expressive. I found it works quite well with Lilypond's MIDI output. You might want to package it with lilypond (I'm not sure how permanent its current site is) or make a script that calls it or something. Here's how I got it to work: 1. Download Director Musices from http://www.speech.kth.se/music/performance/download/dm-download.html 2. Follow the instructions in README.txt about downloading CMU Lisp and editing the make-dm1-cmulisp.lsp file 3. Do lisp -load /path/to/dm/lib/make-dm1-cmulisp.lsp (substituting /path/to/dm appropriately) 4. When the menu comes up, select option 2 and type in the full pathname of Lilypond's MIDI output (WITHOUT putting quotes around it, contrary to what the prompt seems to suggest) 5. Select option 3 and type /path/to/dm/rulepalettes/default.pal (substituting /path/to/dm appropriately) 6. Select option 7 or 8 and type a pathname for the output MIDI file 7. Select q, and enter (quit) at the Lisp prompt An "expect" script could be used as a quick way of automating this, or you could go into the Lisp internals. It would be nice to be able to take Lilypond to expressive MIDI in one command. Best wishes. Silas -- Silas S. Brown, Cambridge Univ. Computer Lab, http://www.cus.cam.ac.uk/~ssb22 "When particulars are lacking, it is almost impossible to understand or judge a matter and equally impossible to commit it to memory" - Comenius From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 08 00:09:23 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUd6W-0005B4-LS for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 00:09:20 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUd6R-00058f-IL for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 00:09:15 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUd6N-00056b-56 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 00:09:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUd5i-0004UY-5z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 00:08:30 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUcox-0007kO-4h for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 23:51:11 -0400 Received: from pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.177]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG500F94JPNOLPA@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 21:44:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.152]) by pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG5002ZTJPNLC40@pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 21:44:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IG500685JPM9M@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 21:44:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 20:44:09 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: <62db9c5899647e7d9c7e347a9d57f6d7@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--222303605 Cc: Matthias Neeracher Subject: international fonts in OSX X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 04:09:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1--222303605 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'm trying to build 2.5.23 docs in OSX; it fails on input/regression/utf-8.ly (file included below). The file notes that ---- You may have to install additional fonts. Red Hat Fedora taipeifonts fonts-xorg-truetype ttfonts-ja fonts-arabic \ ttfonts-zh_CN fonts-ja fonts-hebrew Debian GNU/Linux apt-get install emacs-intl-fonts xfonts-intl-.* \ ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho ---- I've installed a number of fink font packages, but it isn't working. Does anybody know what the equivalent fink packages are? ------ (installed font packages) spark:~/tmp gperciva$ fink list fonts Information about 4599 packages read in 3 seconds. i appleotffonts 0.1-7 Make Apple otf fonts available to Freetype, dvipdfmx and so on. i applesystemfonts 1.1-1 Make Apple system fonts available to X11R6 i ec-fonts-mftraced 1.0.9-1 Sauter EC PostScript Type1 Fonts i fc-ghostscript-fonts 20050128-1 Add ghostscript fonts to fontconfig search fnlib-fonts 0.5-4 Font rendering library for X11 i fs-fonts 0.1test3-2 Japanese TTF "FS-font" i ghostscript-fonts 8.11-2 Standard fonts for Ghostscript gimp-freefonts 0.10-2 Freeware scalable X11 fonts gimp-sharefonts 0.10-2 Shareware scalable X11 fonts latex-xft-fonts 0.1-11 TTF math fonts for lyx and latex mplus-bitmap-fonts 2.2.4-2 M+ BITMAP FONTS msttcorefonts 1.2-12 Microsoft's TrueType core fonts for the web ptex-jisfonts 1.0-2 JIS fontmetric files for pTeX/dvips texmacs-fonts 1.0.16-1 Precompiled fonts for TeXmacs x-ghostscript-fonts 20020206-3 Allows ghostscript fonts to be used within X-windows i xfonts-intl 1.2.1-1 International Fonts spark:~/tmp gperciva$ ----- Thanks, - Graham --Apple-Mail-1--222303605 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; 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Sun, 08 May 2005 01:23:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUeFq-0006Lt-MR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 01:23:02 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUeCv-0004AT-9l for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 01:20:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUeCi-0003rH-F9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 01:19:48 -0400 Received: from [62.251.70.160] (helo=hns1.grootaers-nl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DUe8H-0000ar-SV for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 01:15:14 -0400 Received: from mandrake01.grootaers-nl.com (herman1 [192.168.26.100]) by hns1.grootaers-nl.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j4859Kiu030574 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 07:09:20 +0200 From: Herman Grootaers To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 07:09:17 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <20050507.190520.252838546.wl@gnu.org> <427D3A37.1080002@ultrasw.com> In-Reply-To: <427D3A37.1080002@ultrasw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505080709.18074.herman@grootaers-nl.com> Subject: Re: option --ps doesn't behave correctly X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 05:23:04 -0000 On Saturday 07 May 2005 23:59, Paul Scott wrote: > Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >If I say > > > > lilypond --ps foo.ly > > > >I expect to get `foo.ps', and nothing else, but lilypond always runs > >ps2pdf to produce a PDF file. > > What version? It works fine on 2.4.x. > > Paul Scott > I geuss he is using the 2.5.2x tree, because I have the same problems with this command-line. Lilypond -f ps foo.ly works though, so I am using that to do the works. -- Herman Grootaers From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 08 08:10:25 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUkbN-0005Fx-ME for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 08:09:42 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUkZC-0004Z5-MC for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 08:07:27 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUkXq-0004BW-Bb for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 08:06:02 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUkWm-0003rm-DU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 08:04:56 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUkQJ-0003eW-1o for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 07:58:15 -0400 Received: from pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr5so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.8]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG600EV669FXPES@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 05:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.152]) by pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG6009Z269F1D20@pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 05:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IG60092J69FYM@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 05:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 04:51:14 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: <8067e01bfaf49cb22db20deff1c42de4@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: fink 2.5.23, lilypond-book: warning: option --psfonts=FILE not used X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 12:09:39 -0000 What's the new series of commands for lilypond-book? Do I need to specify a PSFONTS file? Input: ---- \documentclass[]{article} \usepackage{graphics} \begin{document} Normal LaTeX text. \begin{lilypond} \relative c'' { a4 b c d } \end{lilypond} \end{document} ---- Output: ----- ... Layout output to `lily-1656636127-1.eps'... Layout output to `lily-1656636127.eps'... Compiling bar.tex... bar.tex is up to date. lilypond-book: warning: option --psfonts=FILE not used lilypond-book: warning: processing with dvips will have no fonts DVIPS usage: dvips -h PSFONTS-FILE bar.dvi ----- Attempting to process the file normally (with the instructions in 12.6 Invoking lily-book; yes I remembered the "-u+ec-mftrace.map -u+lilypond.map" this time :) results in a pdf with the notes, clef, etc missing. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 08 08:40:20 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUl1z-0004b2-8d for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 08:37:11 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUl1t-0004ZC-M6 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 08:37:06 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUl1q-0004YB-Lz for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 08:37:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUl1R-00044C-3U for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 08:36:37 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUkyC-0002jH-Mv for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 08:33:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2328461A97; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:27:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 17941-03; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:27:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4E961A9A; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:27:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (aphrodite.s3.kth.se [130.237.43.45]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E59461A97; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:27:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 84.217.112.219 ([84.217.112.219]) by webmail.s3.kth.se (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:27:19 +0200 Message-ID: <1115555239.427e05a77b36b@webmail.s3.kth.se> Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 14:27:19 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson To: Graham Percival References: <8067e01bfaf49cb22db20deff1c42de4@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <8067e01bfaf49cb22db20deff1c42de4@shaw.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.8 X-Originating-IP: 84.217.112.219 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: fink 2.5.23, lilypond-book: warning: option --psfonts=FILE not used X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 12:37:08 -0000 See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2005-04/msg00221.htm= l and the aother emails of the same thread. /Mats Quoting Graham Percival : > What's the new series of commands for lilypond-book? Do I need to > specify a PSFONTS file? > > Input: > ---- > \documentclass[]{article} > \usepackage{graphics} > \begin{document} > > Normal LaTeX text. > > \begin{lilypond} > \relative c'' { > a4 b c d > } > \end{lilypond} > > \end{document} > ---- > > Output: > ----- > ... > Layout output to `lily-1656636127-1.eps'... > Layout output to `lily-1656636127.eps'... > > > Compiling bar.tex... > bar.tex is up to date. > lilypond-book: warning: option --psfonts=3DFILE not used > lilypond-book: warning: processing with dvips will have no fonts > > DVIPS usage: > dvips -h PSFONTS-FILE bar.dvi > ----- > > Attempting to process the file normally (with the instructions in > 12.6 Invoking lily-book; yes I remembered the > "-u+ec-mftrace.map -u+lilypond.map" this time :) results in a pdf > with the notes, clef, etc missing. > > Cheers, > - Graham > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 08 08:41:32 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUl6C-0006SI-8R for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 08:41:32 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUl5q-0006D8-N0 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 08:41:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUl1H-0004Hb-5g for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 08:36:27 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUl11-00044C-Pm for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 08:36:11 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.34] (helo=smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUl3C-0003YN-4p for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 08:38:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j48CWTq4071971; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:32:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <427E0745.8080607@xs4all.nl> Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 14:34:13 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <8067e01bfaf49cb22db20deff1c42de4@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <8067e01bfaf49cb22db20deff1c42de4@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: fink 2.5.23, lilypond-book: warning: option --psfonts=FILE not used X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 12:41:31 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > What's the new series of commands for lilypond-book? Do I need to > specify a PSFONTS file? Yes. And do > DVIPS usage: > dvips -h PSFONTS-FILE bar.dvi -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 08 09:40:03 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUm0n-000318-LB for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 09:40:02 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUlzA-0002Z4-Nm for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 09:38:21 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUlz0-0002UU-MW for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 09:38:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUlz0-0002Pi-8w for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 09:38:10 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUlya-0007YT-Sf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 09:37:45 -0400 Received: from pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr6so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.69]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG60082VAWX1G00@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 07:31:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.152]) by pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG6008HEAWXPVB0@pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 07:31:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IG600E21AWXIW@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 07:31:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 06:31:44 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: <9442f761585c5291167887e4b43c2f43@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: 2.5.23, lilypond-book missing right margin X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 13:39:58 -0000 Using the same sample .lytex file, the right margin is nonexistant; the bar line of the example comes directly on the right-hand edge of the paper. The left-hand margin looks suspiciously big; is the right-hand margin getting added to the left-hand margin by mistake? ---- \documentclass[]{article} \usepackage{graphics} \begin{document} Normal LaTeX text. \begin{lilypond} \relative c'' { a4 b c d } \end{lilypond} \end{document} ---- Compiled with: ----- #!/bin/sh FILE="$(basename -s .lytex $1 )" rm ~/tmp/fonts.ps lilypond-book --psfonts=~/tmp/fonts.ps $FILE.lytex latex $FILE.tex dvips -h ~/tmp/fonts.ps -Ppdf -u+lilypond.map -u+ec-mftrace.map $FILE.dvi -o ps2pdf $FILE.ps ------ Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 08 09:42:17 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUm2x-00049T-GI for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 09:42:16 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUm2r-00046s-N7 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 09:42:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUm2q-00046D-7a for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 09:42:08 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUlzF-0002Pi-Ll for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 09:38:25 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUlvL-0006Yz-I5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 09:34:23 -0400 Received: from pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.177]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG600HULAMDH4ZU@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 07:25:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.152]) by pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG6001NUAMDE7L0@pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 07:25:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IG600J60AMCFZ@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 07:25:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 06:25:23 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <427E0745.8080607@xs4all.nl> To: Han-Wen Nienhuys Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <8067e01bfaf49cb22db20deff1c42de4@shaw.ca> <427E0745.8080607@xs4all.nl> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: fink 2.5.23, lilypond-book: warning: option --psfonts=FILE not used X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 13:42:10 -0000 On 8-May-05, at 5:34 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: >> What's the new series of commands for lilypond-book? Do I need to >> specify a PSFONTS file? > > Yes. And do > >> DVIPS usage: >> dvips -h PSFONTS-FILE bar.dvi Ah, I get it now! I didn't realize that the PSFONTS file was something lilypond-book created; I thought it was some library or font package that I was missing. I'll update the docs later today. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 08 14:22:19 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUqPy-0006Qf-Ks for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:22:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUqPw-0006Q0-TH for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:22:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUqM3-0004r0-9B for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:18:15 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUqJk-0003aS-TG for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:15:52 -0400 Received: from [141.3.10.81] (helo=iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DUpxF-0006AO-1Y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 13:52:37 -0400 Received: from irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.5] helo=irams1.ira.uka.de) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1DUprM-0003wv-A6; Sun, 08 May 2005 19:46:35 +0200 Received: from i41pc36.ipd.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.49.176] ident=[U2FsdGVkX1/9G4c0bHuuXYjqUck0V8E61D49cZfp71o=]) by irams1.ira.uka.de with esmtps id 1DUprL-00017I-OA; Sun, 08 May 2005 19:46:31 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 19:46:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Juergen Reuter X-X-Sender: reuter@i41pc36.ipd.uni-karlsruhe.de To: Erik Sandberg In-Reply-To: <1115453876.427c79b493a78@webmail.uu.se> Message-ID: References: <1115427848.427c14085d82e@webmail2.hut.fi> <1115453876.427c79b493a78@webmail.uu.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -5.8 (-----) Cc: Heikki Johannes Junes , lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Juergen Reuter Subject: Re: Bug or Feature?: Lyrics have no durations X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 18:22:17 -0000 I think I already proposed this feature request, but anyway: When \addlyrics or \lyricsto is used, but the user nevertheless provides durations along with the lyrics, maybe lily should just spit out a warning saying that the durations will be ignored. Greetings, Juergen On Sat, 7 May 2005, Erik Sandberg wrote: > Citerar Heikki Johannes Junes : > >> >> Should the durations in Lyrics affect the placement of lyrics? >> >> Currently, >> >> { c4 d8 e8 f4 } \addlyrics { Hii,4 hei4 ho!4 } >> >> produces >> >> { c4 d8 e8 f4 } \addlyrics { Hii,4 hei8 ho!8 } >> >> but I wanted >> >> { c4 d8 e8 f4 } \addlyrics { Hii, hei \skip 8 ho! } >> >> Durations have no effect, contrary to what is written in >> >> > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/Entering-lyrics.html#Entering-lyrics > > There is a difference between \addlyrics and \lyricmode. \addlyrics or \lyricsto > ignore all durations and aligns syllables to notes, if you just use \lyricmode > lily will use the durations you typed. > > Erik > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 08 14:41:50 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUqiq-0004qt-AA for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:41:48 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUqig-0004mF-17 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:41:38 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUqiZ-0004je-VU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:41:32 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUqiZ-0004iF-4L for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:41:31 -0400 Received: from [130.238.7.33] (helo=limicola.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUqn0-0001gQ-LO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:46:07 -0400 Received: by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id 06EAB498C; Sun, 8 May 2005 20:40:06 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from limicola.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by limicola.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s264201; Sun, 8 May 05 20:39:58 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.51] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE744815 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 20:39:58 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 20:39:55 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505082039.56177.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Subject: Make failure on 2.5.22 and later X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 18:41:41 -0000 Hi, Make seems to fail when -DSTRING_UTILS_INLINED isn't passed to gcc (e.g. when --no-optimising is passed to configure). The place of the first occurance of the problem seems to vary randomly between minor lily versions, but this is the last lines from 'configure --disable-optimising && make' for latest cvs: rm -f ./out/performer.dep; DEPENDENCIES_OUTPUT="./out/performer.dep ./out/performer.o" g++ -c -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -Iinclude -I./out -I../flower/include -I../flower/./out -I../flower/include -I../ttftool/include -I/usr/include/python2.4 -g -pipe -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/python2.4 -g -pipe -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -W -Wall -Wconversion -o out/performer.o performer.cc rm -f ./out/pfb.dep; DEPENDENCIES_OUTPUT="./out/pfb.dep ./out/pfb.o" g++ -c -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -Iinclude -I./out -I../flower/include -I../flower/./out -I../flower/include -I../ttftool/include -I/usr/include/python2.4 -g -pipe -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/python2.4 -g -pipe -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -W -Wall -Wconversion -o out/pfb.o pfb.cc pfb.cc: In function `scm_unused_struct* ly_otf_to_pfa(scm_unused_struct*)': pfb.cc:124: error: invalid conversion from `Byte*' to `const char*' make[1]: *** [out/pfb.o] Error 1 Erik From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 08 16:39:18 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUsYY-0004hG-Kw for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 16:39:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUsYX-0004gf-Cn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 16:39:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUsXC-0004XW-9R for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 16:37:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUsXB-0004Kj-L5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 16:37:53 -0400 Received: from [130.238.4.153] (helo=pernis.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUsQn-0004mB-JV for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 16:31:18 -0400 Received: by pernis.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id CAC051E6; Sun, 8 May 2005 22:25:16 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from pernis.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by pernis.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s345; Sun, 8 May 05 22:25:11 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.51] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by pernis.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C741E6; Sun, 8 May 2005 22:25:11 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 22:25:01 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200505082039.56177.ersa9195@student.uu.se> In-Reply-To: <200505082039.56177.ersa9195@student.uu.se> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505082225.04616.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: Subject: Re: Make failure on 2.5.22 and later X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 20:39:17 -0000 Oops, this particular error was not related to -DSTRING_UTILS_NEEDED, it occurs using default settings of ./configure as well. Erik On Sunday 08 May 2005 20.39, Erik Sandberg wrote: > Hi, > > Make seems to fail when -DSTRING_UTILS_INLINED isn't passed to gcc (e.g. > when --no-optimising is passed to configure). The place of the first > occurance of the problem seems to vary randomly between minor lily > versions, but this is the last lines from 'configure --disable-optimising > && make' for latest cvs: > > rm -f ./out/performer.dep; > DEPENDENCIES_OUTPUT="./out/performer.dep ./out/performer.o" g++ -c > -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -Iinclude -I./out -I../flower/include -I../flower/./out > -I../flower/include -I../ttftool/include -I/usr/include/python2.4 -g > -pipe -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include > -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/python2.4 -g -pipe -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 > -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 > -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -W -Wall > -Wconversion -o out/performer.o performer.cc > rm -f ./out/pfb.dep; DEPENDENCIES_OUTPUT="./out/pfb.dep ./out/pfb.o" g++ -c > -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -Iinclude -I./out -I../flower/include -I../flower/./out > -I../flower/include -I../ttftool/include -I/usr/include/python2.4 -g > -pipe -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include > -I/usr/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/include/python2.4 -g -pipe -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 > -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 > -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -W -Wall > -Wconversion -o out/pfb.o pfb.cc pfb.cc: In function `scm_unused_struct* > ly_otf_to_pfa(scm_unused_struct*)': pfb.cc:124: error: invalid conversion > from `Byte*' to `const char*' make[1]: *** [out/pfb.o] Error 1 > > Erik > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 08 17:16:48 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUt8q-0002i3-1W for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 17:16:48 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUt8n-0002fS-BS for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 17:16:45 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUt8l-0002ee-T3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 17:16:44 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUt8l-0002eJ-Mr for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 17:16:43 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.109] (helo=BAY0-SMTP02.phx.gbl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUtD6-0001sK-Am for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 17:21:12 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.175.238] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.175.238]) by BAY0-SMTP02.phx.gbl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 8 May 2005 14:15:10 -0700 Message-ID: <003501c55413$0420fdf0$eeaf0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Graham Percival" , "lily-devel" References: Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:15:04 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2005 21:15:11.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[04B80DD0:01C55413] Cc: Subject: Re: default MetronomeMark #padding X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 21:16:46 -0000 Is there a way to shift the metronome mark to the left? If so, how? If not, then this is a feature request. There. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Percival" To: "lily-devel" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 4:48 AM Subject: default MetronomeMark #padding >I think we should increase the default amount of #padding for >MetronomeMark. > I personally use 2.5 for all my scores; that may be a bit much for some > people, > so I propose making it 1.5. We've recently had a bunch of people on > lilypond-user > asking how to make it higher. Obviously it's good to have them learn > about > \override and the like, but I think that 0.8 is too small for any > engraving project. > > Cheers, > - Graham > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 08 17:17:13 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUt98-0002ub-Ki for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 17:17:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUt8w-0002mo-9a for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 17:16:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUt8s-0002k2-9w for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 17:16:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUt8r-0002eJ-V1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 17:16:50 -0400 Received: from [64.233.184.201] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUtAe-00016Y-A1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 17:18:40 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so1542730wri for ; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:12:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MRFNU17zI8rRaZ+8MZjKUVbuedyeRfDstdkRBYLjWEO53DVVVYI7/TnVaz8cDYL228Y5S9DMpkzBydZYZCBVgIFYFtbqkXoa8YjULsUdlAhunWnKkS9VkEnsqxJcTNoyfZjEonDQMokzraD1kgt+NAx1MSd5MzNiJDa70RunAiQ= Received: by 10.54.41.20 with SMTP id o20mr2071504wro; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.7.28 with HTTP; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 23:12:39 +0200 From: Erlend Aasland To: Han-Wen Nienhuys In-Reply-To: <42795540.5080901@lilypond.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> <42795540.5080901@lilypond.org> Cc: Lilypond Devel Subject: Re: 2.6 release. (Was: new manual chapter) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Erlend Aasland List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 21:16:57 -0000 On 5/5/05, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > > Any other pressing problems? > > Well, tablature is broken (seems to be related to the broken drum notat= ion?) > can you be more specific? Never mind, it's fixed in .23 Erlend =20 > -- > Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@lilypond.org > LilyPond Software Design - http://www.lilypond-design.com > From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 08 19:40:28 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUvKN-0004Ca-Jn for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 19:36:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUvK2-00048f-HS for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 19:36:30 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUvJs-00041b-9Y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 19:36:20 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUvJr-00040x-WE for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 19:36:20 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUvLR-0004Jn-KZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 19:37:57 -0400 Received: from pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.213]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG700HOI2P7GWSB@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 17:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml3so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.147]) by pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG700C0Y2P7OO70@pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 17:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IG70030Y2P78E@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 17:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 16:31:55 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: To: Stephen Message-id: <29af07a6a86b3ba9e8ccfbabf075ef2c@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: default MetronomeMark #padding X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 23:36:35 -0000 On 8-May-05, at 2:15 PM, Stephen wrote: > Is there a way to shift the metronome mark to the left? If so, how? If > not, then this is a feature request. There. Is this for a one-time project, or in general? For a one-time use, please read the "Changing Defaults" chapter. In general, I thing this is a bad idea. It might look nice for the initial tempo marking, but any tempo markings in the middle of a piece would look odd. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 08 23:08:50 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DUydV-0007Cs-Cg for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 23:08:49 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUydP-00079Y-Qp for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 23:08:44 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUydN-000785-3O for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 23:08:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUydM-00077F-U6 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 23:08:40 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUygW-0007j3-72 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 23:11:56 -0400 Received: from pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.177]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG700E9SCL3XPLT@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 21:05:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml2so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.146]) by pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG700JB1CL3KH60@pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 21:05:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IG700D1WCL2NG@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 21:05:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 20:05:25 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <1115544189.427dda7d3485d@webmail2.hut.fi> To: Heikki.Junes@hut.fi Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <1115427848.427c14085d82e@webmail2.hut.fi> <1115453876.427c79b493a78@webmail.uu.se> <1115544189.427dda7d3485d@webmail2.hut.fi> Cc: Erik Sandberg , lily-devel Subject: Re: Bug or Feature?: Lyrics have no durations X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 03:08:47 -0000 On 8-May-05, at 2:23 AM, Heikki Johannes Junes wrote: > On Sat, 07 May 2005 10:17:56 +0200 Erik Sandberg > wrote: >> There is a difference between \addlyrics and \lyricmode. \addlyrics or >> \lyricsto >> ignore all durations and aligns syllables to notes, if you just use >> \lyricmode >> lily will use the durations you typed. > > This distiction is now clear to me when you said it. But I could not > find it > explicitly in the manual. Therefore the chapter naming in 7.3.1 and > 7.3.2 should > be changed to a more descriptive one. I'd rather not mess with the titles... at least, I don't think we should specify \addlyric and \lyricmode in the titles. I've added this paragraph to 7.3.2. Does it look good? --- There is a difference between @code{\addlyrics} and @code{\lyricmode}. @code{\addlyrics} and @code {\lyricsto} ignore all durations and aligns syllables to notes; @code{\lyricmode} uses the durations specified. --- I guess this part of the docs (bottom of 7.3.1) is false? Should I delete it entirely, or just modify it in some way? ---- The \addlyrics command is actually just a convienient way to write a more complicated LilyPond structure that sets up the lyrics. You should use \addlyrics unless you need to do fancy things, in which case you should investigate \lyricsto or \lyricmode. { MUSIC } \addlyrics { LYRICS } is the same as \context Voice = blah { music } \lyricsto "blah" \new lyrics { LYRICS } ---- Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 02:21:32 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV1dy-0001l9-Pl for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 02:21:31 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV1dt-0001jD-Il for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 02:21:26 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV1dr-0001iT-NV for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 02:21:24 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV1T6-0008AH-TK for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 02:10:17 -0400 Received: from [17.250.248.47] (helo=smtpout.mac.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV1Xi-0000eb-SU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 02:15:03 -0400 Received: from mac.com (smtpin01-en2 [10.13.10.146]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout09/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j4968u8x028784; Sun, 8 May 2005 23:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.219.205.226] ([17.219.205.226]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin01/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j4968s3l014671; Sun, 8 May 2005 23:08:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1114648294.8383.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <7F08CDA8-6FBA-4A78-99A0-C8D4FFC34CDE@mac.com> <1113556820.4537.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1114648294.8383.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--127220800 Message-Id: <180693AC-429F-4D8E-B252-DF3E4BC93725@mac.com> From: Matthias Neeracher Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 23:08:52 -0700 To: hanwen@lilypond.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Cc: lilypond-devel Subject: Heureka! (Was: Some chord symbols still broken in 2.5.19) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 06:21:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1--127220800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Apr 27, 2005, at 5:31 PM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Op wo, 27-04-2005 te 14:31 -0700, schreef Matthias Neeracher: >> Can you tell me where in the lilypond code the font for the >> triangle is >> looked up? I could probably understand the issue better if I know >> where >> to hook up the debugger. >> >> > > in ly/chord-modifiers-init.ly, the appropriate UTF-8 chars are > defined. > These are passed through lily. At some point, they end up at > Stencil Pango_font::text_stencil (), which calls > Stencil Pango_font::pango_item_string_stencil(). I finally found what was going on: Pango and freetype were actually working just fine, as far as I can tell. The problem was that wcrtomb on MacOS X does not necessarily perform Unicode->UTF8 conversion because it's locale sensitive, and it seems that the default locale setting is not UTF8 friendly for this call. Simply hand coding the conversion seemed to work fine, but I'm not sure what other places in the code rely on wide character functionality. Matthias --Apple-Mail-1--127220800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/octet-stream; x-unix-mode=0644; name="utf8.patch" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=utf8.patch diff -ruN lilypond-2.5.23-orig/lily/general-scheme.cc lilypond-2.5.23/lily/general-scheme.cc --- lilypond-2.5.23-orig/lily/general-scheme.cc 2005-05-08 21:23:31.000000000 -0700 +++ lilypond-2.5.23/lily/general-scheme.cc 2005-05-08 21:36:27.000000000 -0700 @@ -12,11 +12,6 @@ #include /* isinf */ #include #include /* memset */ -#if HAVE_UTF8_WCHAR_H -#include /* wcrtomb */ -#else -#include /* wcrtomb */ -#endif #include "international.hh" #include "libc-extension.hh" @@ -249,17 +244,29 @@ 1, 0, 0, (SCM wc), "Encode the Unicode codepoint @var{wc} as UTF-8") { - char buf[100]; + char buf[5]; SCM_ASSERT_TYPE (scm_is_integer (wc), wc, SCM_ARG1, __FUNCTION__, "integer"); - wchar_t wide_char = (wchar_t) scm_to_int (wc); + unsigned wide_char = (unsigned) scm_to_int (wc); + char * p = buf; - mbstate_t state; - memset (&state, '\0', sizeof (state)); - memset (buf, '\0', sizeof (buf)); + if (wide_char < 0x0080) { + *p++ = (char)wide_char; + } else if (wide_char < 0x0800) { + *p++ = (char)(((wide_char >> 6) ) | 0xC0); + *p++ = (char)(((wide_char ) & 0x3F) | 0x80); + } else if (wide_char < 0x10000) { + *p++ = (char)(((wide_char >> 12) ) | 0xE0); + *p++ = (char)(((wide_char >> 6) & 0x3F) | 0x80); + *p++ = (char)(((wide_char ) & 0x3F) | 0x80); + } else { + *p++ = (char)(((wide_char >> 18) ) | 0xF0); + *p++ = (char)(((wide_char >> 12) & 0x3F) | 0x80); + *p++ = (char)(((wide_char >> 6) & 0x3F) | 0x80); + *p++ = (char)(((wide_char ) & 0x3F) | 0x80); + } + *p = 0; - wcrtomb (buf, wide_char, &state); - return scm_makfrom0str (buf); } --Apple-Mail-1--127220800-- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 03:40:57 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV2sm-0007nN-KV for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 03:40:53 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV2se-0007mJ-OY for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 03:40:45 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV2sb-0007ll-7o for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 03:40:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV2sY-0007eg-Fh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 03:40:39 -0400 Received: from [85.197.192.10] (helo=mx2.hive.is) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV2pF-0006zm-F7 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 03:37:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 3717 invoked from network); 9 May 2005 07:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dhcppc0) (85.197.199.198) by postur.hive.is with SMTP; 9 May 2005 07:28:45 -0000 From: David Bobroff To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 07:31:06 +0000 Message-Id: <1115623866.28343.1.camel@dhcppc0> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 'make all' fails ChangeLog 1.3572 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bobroff@centrum.is List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 07:40:47 -0000 Here is the end of the output from 'make all' on Fedora Core 3: Compiling cheatsheet.texi... Writing `cheatsheet.texi'... Processing include: fdl.itexi Reading fdl.itexi... Dissecting... Writing snippets... All snippets are up to date... Compiling fdl.texi... Writing `fdl.texi'... DVIPS usage: dvips -h ./out/ ./out/lilypond.dvi mv ./out/lilypond.texinfo out/lilypond.nexi 2>/dev/null || mv ./out/lilypond.texi out/lilypond.nexi LANG= makeinfo --enable-encoding -I ./out --output=./out/lilypond.info out/lilypond.nexi /usr/src/lilypond/Documentation/user/out//instrument-notation.texi:1313: @code expected braces. /usr/src/lilypond/Documentation/user/out//instrument-notation.texi:1313: Misplaced {. /usr/src/lilypond/Documentation/user/out//instrument-notation.texi:1313: Misplaced }. /usr/src/lilypond/Documentation/user/out//instrument-notation.texi:1313: @code missing close brace. makeinfo: Removing output file `./out/lilypond.info' due to errors; use --force to preserve. make[2]: *** [out/lilypond.info] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/lilypond/Documentation/user' make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/lilypond/Documentation' make: *** [all] Error 2 -David From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 04:04:42 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV3Fe-0005VZ-S9 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:04:31 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV3FI-0005O5-IB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:04:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV3F7-0005Hx-Rs for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:04:00 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV3F6-0005CA-3b for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:03:56 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV3Fl-0006qD-Me for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:04:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9A361A8F; Mon, 9 May 2005 09:58:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 27312-09; Mon, 9 May 2005 09:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2334861A97; Mon, 9 May 2005 09:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E48861A8F; Mon, 9 May 2005 09:58:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <427F1825.6070209@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 09:58:29 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Graham Percival Subject: Re: lilypond ./ChangeLog Documentation/user/lilypon... X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 08:04:29 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > +To produce PDF output from the lilypond-book file (here called > +@code{yourfile.lytex}), you should do > > @example > +lilypond-book --psfonts=tempfonts.ps yourfile.lytex > latex yourfile.tex > -dvips -Ppdf -u+ec-mftrace.map -u+lilypond.map yourfile.dvi > +dvips -h tempfonts.ps -Ppdf -u+ec-mftrace.map -u+lilypond.map yourfile.dvi > ps2pdf yourfile.ps > @end example Wrong! The map files shouldn't be used at all. I'll submit a corrected version. /Mats From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 04:10:19 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV3LF-0006Pj-KZ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:10:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV3L9-0006OQ-7c for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:10:11 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV3L5-0006Nq-TR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:10:09 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV3FL-0005CA-Qy for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:04:12 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV3D8-00062Z-07 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:01:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6895C61A9C; Mon, 9 May 2005 09:55:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 27284-04; Mon, 9 May 2005 09:55:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F84F61A9A; Mon, 9 May 2005 09:55:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F01C61A97; Mon, 9 May 2005 09:55:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <427F1781.7030807@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 09:55:45 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <1115427848.427c14085d82e@webmail2.hut.fi> <1115453876.427c79b493a78@webmail.uu.se> <1115544189.427dda7d3485d@webmail2.hut.fi> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lily-devel , Erik Sandberg , Heikki.Junes@hut.fi Subject: Re: Bug or Feature?: Lyrics have no durations X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 08:10:14 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > I guess this part of the docs (bottom of 7.3.1) is false? Should I > delete it entirely, > or just modify it in some way? > ---- > The \addlyrics command is actually just a convienient way to write a > more complicated LilyPond structure that sets up the lyrics. You should > use \addlyrics unless you need to do fancy things, in which case you > should investigate \lyricsto or \lyricmode. > > { MUSIC } > \addlyrics { LYRICS } > is the same as > > \context Voice = blah { music } > \lyricsto "blah" \new lyrics { LYRICS } What's wrong about it? I corrected the syntax some months ago and think it's still correct by now. On the other hand, if you read the manual page by page, you could argue that the information here isn't very helpful since \lyricsto hasn't been explained yet. /Mats From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 05:21:04 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV4Rh-0002aJ-UB for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 05:21:02 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV4RY-0002XX-Ng for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 05:20:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV4RV-0002Vg-HR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 05:20:50 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV4N6-0001oG-LO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 05:16:17 -0400 Received: from [213.155.196.143] (helo=mail.knowhow7.it) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV4RF-000472-Pt for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 05:20:34 -0400 Received: (qmail 25593 invoked from network); 9 May 2005 09:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.199?) (500@192.168.2.199) by gateway.loc with SMTP; 9 May 2005 09:14:23 -0000 From: Giancarlo Niccolai To: lily-devel Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 11:17:22 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200505091117.22580.gc@niccolai.ws> Subject: e-mail change notice. X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 09:20:57 -0000 Hello people, I am sorry I have to change my e-mail address again due to a new form of nasty spam. This new kind of spam uses your e-mail address (and when possible, also your web service domain name) to send virus around the world. 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From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 05:22:27 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV4Sv-0003xk-3C for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 05:22:17 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV4Sl-0003j1-Hn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 05:22:08 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV4Sf-0003Zq-FG for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 05:22:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV4Lq-0001N8-8n for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 05:14:58 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV43H-0005MR-CP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:55:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5560061A8F for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 10:49:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 29067-09 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 10:49:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB2C61A9A for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 10:49:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C89861A8F for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 10:49:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <427F2422.3010709@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 10:49:38 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Vertical alignment order X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 09:22:15 -0000 Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > CVSROOT: /cvsroot/lilypond > Index: lilypond/Documentation/topdocs/NEWS.tely > diff -u lilypond/Documentation/topdocs/NEWS.tely:1.34 lilypond/Documentation/topdocs/NEWS.tely:1.35 > --- lilypond/Documentation/topdocs/NEWS.tely:1.34 Thu May 5 23:45:29 2005 > +++ lilypond/Documentation/topdocs/NEWS.tely Sun May 8 23:17:49 2005 > @@ -34,6 +34,15 @@ > @itemize @bullet > > @item > +Newly created staves and lyric lines, can be put in any vertical order, > +by setting @code{alignBelowContext} or @code{alignAboveContext} > +properties in the newly created context. An example of the use of this > +is in @inputfileref{input/regression,alignment-order.ly}. > + > +This feature has been sponsored by Bertalan Fodor. > + > + This is great news! However, in order to make it a useful feature, it needs some documentation. Also, we have a number of examples and templates that can be rewritten and simplified using this new feature, for example in http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/Vocal-ensembles.html#Vocal-ensembles where there's no need for placeholders like context Lyrics = sopranos { s1 }. Also, if I understand correctly, it makes my comments in http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2005-05/msg00012.html more or less obsolete, so Han-Wen, you are free to define that feature as a bug. /Mats From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 05:36:56 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV4h5-0003b2-KT for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 05:36:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV4h3-0003aS-GX for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 05:36:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV4h1-0003a0-RD for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 05:36:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV4ei-0002Xv-By for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 05:34:28 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.28] (helo=smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV4Yf-0006QT-Fh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 05:28:13 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j499Lrwc030946; Mon, 9 May 2005 11:22:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@lilypond.org) Message-ID: <427F2C1A.8000003@lilypond.org> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 11:23:38 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Neeracher References: <7F08CDA8-6FBA-4A78-99A0-C8D4FFC34CDE@mac.com> <1113556820.4537.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1114648294.8383.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <180693AC-429F-4D8E-B252-DF3E4BC93725@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <180693AC-429F-4D8E-B252-DF3E4BC93725@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel Subject: Re: Heureka! (Was: Some chord symbols still broken in 2.5.19) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 09:36:54 -0000 Matthias Neeracher wrote: >> in ly/chord-modifiers-init.ly, the appropriate UTF-8 chars are defined. >> These are passed through lily. At some point, they end up at >> Stencil Pango_font::text_stencil (), which calls >> Stencil Pango_font::pango_item_string_stencil(). > > I finally found what was going on: Pango and freetype were actually > working just fine, as far as I can tell. The problem was that wcrtomb > on MacOS X does not necessarily perform Unicode->UTF8 conversion > because it's locale sensitive, and it seems that the default locale > setting is not UTF8 friendly for this call. > > Simply hand coding the conversion seemed to work fine, but I'm not sure > what other places in the code rely on wide character functionality. thanks for the patch, I applied it. For the future, could you provide ChangeLogs? That makes it easier to track the copyright status of LilyPond. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@lilypond.org LilyPond Software Design - http://www.lilypond-design.com From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 06:35:38 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5bt-0003Ym-6O for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:35:37 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5aN-0003OX-N1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:34:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5aC-0003Ik-Cg for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:33:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5a4-0003Dy-3c for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:33:44 -0400 Received: from [141.3.10.81] (helo=iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DV5ao-0008BF-CT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:34:33 -0400 Received: from irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.5] helo=irams1.ira.uka.de) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1DV5Ul-0006gH-8O; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:28:21 +0200 Received: from i41pc36.ipd.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.49.176] ident=[U2FsdGVkX1+Y3vIhhHuuo8Y+FrI3lCz0naabL4QsB7w=]) by irams1.ira.uka.de with esmtps id 1DV5Ug-00020t-N6; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:28:10 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 12:28:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Juergen Reuter X-X-Sender: reuter@i41pc36.ipd.uni-karlsruhe.de To: Pal Benko In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="59617329-244243740-1115634490=:6368" X-Spam-Score: -5.8 (-----) Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Juergen Reuter Subject: Re: mensural notation X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 10:35:34 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --59617329-244243740-1115634490=:6368 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Wed, 4 May 2005, Pal Benko wrote: > Hi J=FCrgen, > >> What I do not understand, if you want neo-mensural noteheads, why not ju= st >> doing "\override Voice.NoteHead #'style =3D #'neomensural"? > > As far as I can see, the main difference between neomensural and mensural > notehead are (besides the different parameters) that mensural noteheads h= ave > diamond shape at their centerline, while neomensural heads have it at the > outer boundary, and I just need this. Note that with my patch the mensur= al > and neomensural noteheads still look different. > My main point is to have bigger noteheads, almost two linespaces high; > but it should not be so big that a notehead between two stafflines have > those lines visible in the interior hole. > > p > Ah, ok. But I would not like to completely drop the current mensural=20 shapes, since I have seen quite some printed ancient examples (mostly=20 in [1]) with noteheads very similar to the current mensural shapes. But=20 maybe you can convince me that your shapes are the more authentic or the=20 more beautiful ones... So, maybe for the time being, we should just add a= =20 new notehead style? Do you have any idea for a naming convention (for the= =20 clefs, we e.g. have mensural and petrucci style)? Greetings, Juergen [1] F. Blume (Ed.): Die Musik in Geschichte und Gegenwart (MGG). > ____________________________________________________________________ > Miert fizetsz az internetert? Korlatlan, ingyenes internet hozzaferes a= =20 > FreeStarttol. > Probald ki most! http://www.freestart.hu > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > --59617329-244243740-1115634490=:6368-- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 06:41:14 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5hK-0005dP-7j for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:41:14 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5hI-0005b1-IE for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:41:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5hG-0005ZF-KN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:41:11 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5al-0003Dy-4d for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:34:27 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV5MW-0005qR-Mj for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:19:44 -0400 Received: from pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.213]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG700K0PWE95W20@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:13:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml10so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.80]) by pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG7007ZMWE9PMG0@pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:13:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IG700524WE956@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:13:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 03:13:20 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <4279527C.8020200@lilypond.org> To: Han-Wen Nienhuys Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> <7fd7899ff1386714469a99abb6107bab@shaw.ca> <427775A0.8020005@lilypond.org> <6a966fd525dd1a5d70fe0894d6a6fa14@shaw.ca> <4279527C.8020200@lilypond.org> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Pagebreak in lilypond-book (was: 2.6 release) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 10:41:13 -0000 On 4-May-05, at 3:53 PM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: >> Different circumstances -- I've got a four-page piece with only one >> rest that's near the midway >> point. I'd like to force a pagebreak at that rest to allow for page >> turning. > > I still don't understand. Why are you using lilypond-book? I've got a few collections of pieces created in the 2.2 days, well before \book. I spent many hours on the LaTeX formatting and macros, so I'd rather keep it as lilypond-book. An alternative would be to use \book for each piece individually, keeping the headers in LaTeX. Currently \book forces a newpage, so I'd need to turn that off somehow. > If you force a page-break, Latex (depending on page size settings) > could put that system on a single page or commit other atrocities. True, but LilyPond can commit similar atrocities. That's what proofreading is for. :) I know that manual breaks are often a bad idea, but this piece only has two rests to turn pages, so I need to force a pagebreak at one of those rests. > You should have better results if you use \book; inside a > lilypond-book document, \book will output each page as a single .eps , > so \pageBreak will probably work. What if I use an embedded LaTeX \newpage? lilypond-book produces a .tex file that includes a "whole piece" .tex file. That "whole piece" .tex file includes many .eps files. If there's a \markup{ \\newpage } halfway through the .ly file, wouldn't it end up halfway through the .eps files ? or would it end up at the beginning or end of the .eps files? Alternatively I could try to redefine \betweenLilyPondSystem so that it acts like normal for most of the time, but does a \newpage when it gets to number 7. That seems like a much worse solution than figuring out how to make \pageBreak (or even defining a new \lpbookPageBreak macro) work in lilypond-book. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 06:46:19 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5mF-0008UO-76 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:46:19 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5mC-0008Tk-Mq for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:46:16 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5mA-0008SV-BW for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:46:14 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5mA-0008SM-7H for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:46:14 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV5qe-0002uH-2o for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:50:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8086F61A8F; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:44:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 31582-05; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:44:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC3961A97; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:44:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3581661A8F; Mon, 9 May 2005 12:44:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <427F3F19.5020209@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 12:44:41 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giancarlo Niccolai References: <200505091117.22580.gc@niccolai.ws> In-Reply-To: <200505091117.22580.gc@niccolai.ws> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: e-mail change notice. X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 10:46:17 -0000 You are lucky if you haven't been hit by this kind of spam until now, it has been very frequent for several years by now. The lilypond mailing lists are archived in a few different archives. Those I know of are http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/, http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-devel@gnu.org/ and http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.devel/ The HTML code for the archived emails on the two first of these servers contain code like
reply via email to
to let users send a reply. As you can see, it's fairly easy for a human to decipher your email address from the information in these lines, but I doubt that any spam server implementor will take the effort to handle it. The gmane server includes the email address written in the form From: Giancarlo Niccolai niccolai.ws> I don't know if spam servers today are clever enough to decipher this simple reformulation. My guess is that as long as there are so many email addresses in clear text on the web, the spam server implementors don't find it worth the effort to handle more than, possibly, the most common tricks to hide the email address, but you can never know what will happen in a year or two. /Mats Giancarlo Niccolai wrote: > Hello people, > > I am sorry I have to change my e-mail address again due to a new form of nasty > spam. > This new kind of spam uses your e-mail address (and when possible, also your > web service domain name) to send virus around the world. Then, you get 1) > belived as the original sender of the virus and 2) bombed with server notices > of inexistent mails being blocked by the anti-virus service. > > For this reason, I am going to drop my last mail and never use mailing lists > which get published on the internet anymore. > > Now, is this list publishing e-mails in web-based services? If so, I am forced > to quit participating it. > > Best regards, > Giancarlo Niccolai. > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 07:09:41 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV68q-00063Q-Sk for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 07:09:41 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV66I-0005Iw-E8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 07:07:02 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV666-0005Bi-Vn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 07:06:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV664-00059N-MF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 07:06:48 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV68B-0006PS-8c for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 07:08:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA1561A8F; Mon, 9 May 2005 13:02:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 31924-06; Mon, 9 May 2005 13:02:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123B261A9A; Mon, 9 May 2005 13:02:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAC461A8F; Mon, 9 May 2005 13:02:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <427F4358.3060406@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 13:02:48 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giancarlo Niccolai References: <200505091117.22580.gc@niccolai.ws> <427F3F19.5020209@s3.kth.se> In-Reply-To: <427F3F19.5020209@s3.kth.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: e-mail change notice. X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 11:09:39 -0000 See also the second last FAQ at http://gmane.org/faq.php /Mats Mats Bengtsson wrote: > You are lucky if you haven't been hit by this kind of spam until now, > it has been very frequent for several years by now. > The lilypond mailing lists are archived in a few different archives. > Those I know of are http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/, > http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-devel@gnu.org/ and > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.devel/ > > The HTML code for the archived emails on the two first of these servers > contain code like > >
> > > > >
reply via email to
>
> > to let users send a reply. As you can see, it's fairly easy for a human > to decipher your email address from the information in these lines, but > I doubt that any spam server implementor will take the effort to handle > it. The gmane server includes the email address written in the form > > From: Giancarlo Niccolai niccolai.ws> > > I don't know if spam servers today are clever enough to decipher > this simple reformulation. My guess is that as long as there are so > many email addresses in clear text on the web, the spam server > implementors don't find it worth the effort to handle more than, > possibly, the most common tricks to hide the email address, but > you can never know what will happen in a year or two. > > /Mats > > Giancarlo Niccolai wrote: > >> Hello people, >> >> I am sorry I have to change my e-mail address again due to a new form >> of nasty spam. This new kind of spam uses your e-mail address (and >> when possible, also your web service domain name) to send virus around >> the world. Then, you get 1) belived as the original sender of the >> virus and 2) bombed with server notices of inexistent mails being >> blocked by the anti-virus service. >> >> For this reason, I am going to drop my last mail and never use mailing >> lists which get published on the internet anymore. >> >> Now, is this list publishing e-mails in web-based services? If so, I >> am forced to quit participating it. >> >> Best regards, >> Giancarlo Niccolai. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lilypond-devel mailing list >> lilypond-devel@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > > -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 07:39:14 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV6bS-0006pV-4Y for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 07:39:14 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV6WW-0004dI-EA for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 07:34:08 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV6WL-0004Y6-H3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 07:34:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV6WJ-0004Mv-M8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 07:33:55 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV6SW-000319-5P for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 07:30:00 -0400 Received: from pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr6so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.69]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG700HN3WP8H84D@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:19:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml10so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.80]) by pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG700966WP8AJ90@pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:19:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IG700C0FWP8ZP@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:19:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 03:19:55 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <200505091117.22580.gc@niccolai.ws> To: Giancarlo Niccolai Message-id: <5c6505793df829be117b70ffda53bf4a@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <200505091117.22580.gc@niccolai.ws> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: e-mail change notice. X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 11:39:12 -0000 On 9-May-05, at 2:17 AM, Giancarlo Niccolai wrote: > I am sorry I have to change my e-mail address again due to a new form > of nasty > spam. > This new kind of spam uses your e-mail address (and when possible, > also your > web service domain name) to send virus around the world. Then, you get > 1) > belived as the original sender of the virus and 2) bombed with server > notices > of inexistent mails being blocked by the anti-virus service. That's unfortunate, but it's nothing new. I've heard of this happening at least five years ago. > Now, is this list publishing e-mails in web-based services? If so, I > am forced > to quit participating it. AFAIK, it's published in these two places: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/ http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-devel@gnu.org/ However, both places remove email addresses. Good luck! - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 08:36:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV7VB-0000u4-Uo for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:36:50 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV7V5-0000rU-TA for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:36:44 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV7V3-0000pi-3m for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:36:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV7V0-0000k6-9a for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:36:38 -0400 Received: from [141.3.10.81] (helo=iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DV7VF-0001Tp-9F for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:36:53 -0400 Received: from irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.5] helo=irams1.ira.uka.de) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1DV7P9-0002Mt-ME; Mon, 09 May 2005 14:30:38 +0200 Received: from i41pc36.ipd.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.49.176] ident=[U2FsdGVkX19bffOH/yY6xL2B8wXARLNjBml26jIMDIs=]) by irams1.ira.uka.de with esmtps id 1DV7P8-0004cG-Jy; Mon, 09 May 2005 14:30:34 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:30:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Juergen Reuter X-X-Sender: reuter@i41pc36.ipd.uni-karlsruhe.de To: Pal Benko In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="59617329-173349719-1115640715=:6368" Content-ID: X-Spam-Score: -5.8 (-----) Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Juergen Reuter Subject: Re: mensural notation X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 12:36:47 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --59617329-173349719-1115640715=:6368 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=UTF-8; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: Ok, then I will apply your noteheads as "petrucci" style (hopefully, I=20 will be able to spend some time this evening). What about the remaining=20 durations (maxima, ...) for petrucci style? I guess, they should be the=20 same as for mensural style? Anyway, this can easily be changed in the find-notehead-symbol function in scm/output-lib.scm. Greetings, Juergen On Mon, 9 May 2005, Pal Benko wrote: > Hi J=FCrgen, > >>>> What I do not understand, if you want neo-mensural noteheads, why not= =20 >>>> just >>>> doing "\override Voice.NoteHead #'style =3D #'neomensural"? >>>=20 >>> As far as I can see, the main difference between neomensural and mensur= al >>> notehead are (besides the different parameters) that mensural noteheads= =20 >>> have >>> diamond shape at their centerline, while neomensural heads have it at t= he >>> outer boundary, and I just need this. Note that with my patch the=20 >>> mensural >>> and neomensural noteheads still look different. >>> My main point is to have bigger noteheads, almost two linespaces high; >>> but it should not be so big that a notehead between two stafflines have >>> those lines visible in the interior hole. >>>=20 >>> p >>>=20 >>=20 >> Ah, ok. But I would not like to completely drop the current mensural >> shapes, since I have seen quite some printed ancient examples (mostly >> in [1]) with noteheads very similar to the current mensural shapes. > > Let me clarify me a bit: my core problem with the current official ancien= t > noteheads is that they are way smaller than those I've seen in manuscipts= and > Petrucci prints. First I wanted to have larger mensural noteheads, and t= hen > I saw the problem written above, i.e. for a note on a staff-line the line= did > not cross the left and right corners of the notehead (and if I interprete= d > the comments correctly, that is a problem for you as well). I've tried t= o > modify the description, but didn't succeed; and then I found out that > neomensural heads can be parametrised so that I get what I want. > > I have seen such tiny noteheads in modern print (Wolf, Crevel's edition o= f > Obrecht's Missa Maria zart), but these are not facsimiles. I'll check MG= G. > >> But maybe you can convince me that your shapes are >> the more authentic or the more beautiful ones... > > I can make scans of the facsimiles I have. Perhaps it would be good anyw= ay > (e.g. Lilypond doesn't have Gamma clef). > >> So, maybe for the time being, we should just add a >> new notehead style? Do you have any idea for a naming convention (for t= he >> clefs, we e.g. have mensural and petrucci style)? > > My style is quite close (a little bit bigger) to that of Petrucci; > if you think it's worth the trouble, I'll scan some Petrucci, magnify it, > take exact measurements and then we can call the style in the patch > Petrucci-style. > > Cheers, > p > --59617329-173349719-1115640715=:6368-- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 08:37:08 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV7VT-00010q-BS for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:37:07 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV7VN-0000yQ-8Q for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:37:02 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV7VH-0000wM-Av for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:36:56 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV7VG-0000k6-UO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:36:55 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DV7OF-0008JW-DP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:29:39 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DV79b-0003Ig-8L for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 14:14:31 +0200 Received: from 66-90-147-100.dyn.grandenetworks.net ([66.90.147.100]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 09 May 2005 14:14:31 +0200 Received: from robert.wyatt by 66-90-147-100.dyn.grandenetworks.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 09 May 2005 14:14:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org From: Robert T Wyatt Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 07:19:53 -0500 Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 36 Message-ID: <427F5569.7060300@mail.utexas.edu> References: <200505091117.22580.gc@niccolai.ws> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66-90-147-100.dyn.grandenetworks.net User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <200505091117.22580.gc@niccolai.ws> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Sender: news Subject: Re: e-mail change notice. X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 12:37:04 -0000 We call it spoofing and it does suck. For what it's worth, here's an article on it: http://www.wiredsafety.org/law/spam/spoofing.html We have sometimes lost considerable connectivity and productivity by being blacklisted (that is the entire University of Texas -- including the 70,000 current faculty, staff, and students and also past employees and students) due to this spam technique. It can be a BIG headache. As others have noted in this thread, the better news servers now hide the address in such a way as to make grep searches somewhat more difficult for address harvesters. It works for us--for now. Best, Robert Giancarlo Niccolai wrote: > Hello people, > > I am sorry I have to change my e-mail address again due to a new form of nasty > spam. > This new kind of spam uses your e-mail address (and when possible, also your > web service domain name) to send virus around the world. Then, you get 1) > belived as the original sender of the virus and 2) bombed with server notices > of inexistent mails being blocked by the anti-virus service. > > For this reason, I am going to drop my last mail and never use mailing lists > which get published on the internet anymore. > > Now, is this list publishing e-mails in web-based services? If so, I am forced > to quit participating it. > > Best regards, > Giancarlo Niccolai. From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 09:14:27 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV85a-0003EG-6z for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 09:14:26 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV85T-00035t-Ar for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 09:14:19 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV85Q-00034F-OG for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 09:14:17 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV85Q-00033B-Bn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 09:14:16 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV89i-0001kG-W3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 09:18:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7D761A8F; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:12:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 02772-05; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:12:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4D061A97; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:12:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBE561A8F; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:12:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <427F61BC.8040005@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 15:12:28 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> <7fd7899ff1386714469a99abb6107bab@shaw.ca> <427775A0.8020005@lilypond.org> <6a966fd525dd1a5d70fe0894d6a6fa14@shaw.ca> <4279527C.8020200@lilypond.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Han-Wen Nienhuys , lily-devel Subject: Re: Pagebreak in lilypond-book X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 13:14:23 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > > On 4-May-05, at 3:53 PM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > >> Graham Percival wrote: >> >>> Different circumstances -- I've got a four-page piece with only one >>> rest that's near the midway >>> point. I'd like to force a pagebreak at that rest to allow for page >>> turning. >> >> >> I still don't understand. Why are you using lilypond-book? > > > I've got a few collections of pieces created in the 2.2 days, well > before \book. I > spent many hours on the LaTeX formatting and macros, so I'd rather keep > it as > lilypond-book. > > An alternative would be to use \book for each piece individually, > keeping the > headers in LaTeX. Currently \book forces a newpage, so I'd need to turn > that > off somehow. ??? When I try it here, I get a separate output PDF file for each \book{...}. Bug or feature? How can I use it to get all the resulting scores in the same file as you describe it? >> If you force a page-break, Latex (depending on page size settings) >> could put that system on a single page or commit other atrocities. > > > True, but LilyPond can commit similar atrocities. That's what > proofreading is for. :) > I know that manual breaks are often a bad idea, but this piece only has > two rests > to turn pages, so I need to force a pagebreak at one of those rests. > >> You should have better results if you use \book; inside a >> lilypond-book document, \book will output each page as a single .eps , >> so \pageBreak will probably work. I have only partial success here. When trying the example attached at the end of this email, I only get the first score line of the first page, the second one is lost. On the second page, I get the desired two score lines. Please debug and fix before version 2.6! > What if I use an embedded LaTeX \newpage? > > lilypond-book produces a .tex file that includes a "whole piece" .tex > file. That > "whole piece" .tex file includes many .eps files. If there's a > \markup{ \\newpage } > halfway through the .ly file, wouldn't it end up halfway through the > .eps files ? > or would it end up at the beginning or end of the .eps files? > > > Alternatively I could try to redefine \betweenLilyPondSystem so that it > acts > like normal for most of the time, but does a \newpage when it gets to > number 7. > That seems like a much worse solution than figuring out how to make > \pageBreak (or even defining a new \lpbookPageBreak macro) work > in lilypond-book. With the default treatment in lilypond-book, where each score line is typeset in its own .eps file, it would be extremely tricky to implement a \lpbookPageBreak, since then lilypond would have to report information back to lilypond-book on where it should insert the page break. However, if you use the completely undocumented feature that you only get one .eps file per page if you enclose your \score in a \book, then you could use normal \pageBreak, as soon as the bugs have been fixed. Example: \documentclass[a4paper]{article} \usepackage{graphicx} \begin{document} Hello! \begin{lilypond} \book { \markup { \fill-line { "High up above" } } \score { << \relative { \clef bass d,2 d c4 bes a2 \break c2 c d4 f g2 \pageBreak d2 d c4 bes a2 \break c2 c d4 f g2 } \addlyrics { My first Li -- ly song, Not much can go wrong! Next page will be here or may -- be else -- where } >> } \markup { %%TODO: make \verse markup. \fill-line { \line { "2. " \column { \line { My next Li-ly verse } \line { Now it's getting worse! } } } } } \markup { \fill-line { \line { "3. " \column { \line { My last Li-ly text } \line { See what will be next! } } } } } } \end{lilypond} \end{document} /Mats From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 10:15:50 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV8xa-0007Fl-4R for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:10:14 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV8xH-00075s-EM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:09:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV8xC-000737-HH for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:09:50 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV8xC-00072r-Cm for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:09:50 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.114] (helo=BAY0-SMTP07.phx.gbl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV91d-00022Y-1a for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:14:25 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.172.29] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.172.29]) by BAY0-SMTP07.phx.gbl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 9 May 2005 07:08:13 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c554a0$89ad1750$1dac0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Graham Percival" References: <29af07a6a86b3ba9e8ccfbabf075ef2c@shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 09:08:07 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2005 14:08:14.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A617330:01C554A0] Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: default MetronomeMark #padding X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 14:10:08 -0000 There is nothing about the Metronome Mark in the Changing Defaults chapter. I have already ready the documentation. I figured out how to move it up or down, but not left or right. In general, I think it would look better over the time signature instead of over the first note. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Percival" To: "Stephen" Cc: "lily-devel" Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 6:31 PM Subject: Re: default MetronomeMark #padding > > On 8-May-05, at 2:15 PM, Stephen wrote: > >> Is there a way to shift the metronome mark to the left? If so, how? If >> not, then this is a feature request. There. > > Is this for a one-time project, or in general? > > For a one-time use, please read the "Changing Defaults" chapter. > > In general, I thing this is a bad idea. It might look nice for the > initial tempo marking, > but any tempo markings in the middle of a piece would look odd. > > Cheers, > - Graham > From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 10:38:18 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV9Oj-0005G7-R2 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:38:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV9Od-0005C8-IQ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:38:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV9OZ-0005As-Qu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:38:08 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV9OZ-0005Aa-I9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:38:07 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV9T6-0003XV-6F for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:42:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFA961A97; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:36:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 04924-09; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:36:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C7361A9A; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:36:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1D661A97; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:36:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <427F756F.10905@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:36:31 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen References: <29af07a6a86b3ba9e8ccfbabf075ef2c@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: default MetronomeMark #padding X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 14:38:15 -0000 The chapter describes the general mechanisms for setting properties. In particular, the section called "Common Tweaks" describes a property called extra-offset that can be used to move things around. Even if you use an older version of LilyPond, I can recommend to take a look at the manual for version 2.5, since this section has been updated and improved recently and most of the facts are true also for version 2.4 and even for 2.2. The manual cannot possibly describe every conceivable setting that can be done, but the information in "Common Tweaks" together with "Constructing a Tweak" and "Navigating the program reference" should hopefully describe the general mechanisms well enough that you will be able to find the solution to your particular needs yourself. In this case, I happened to notice that the section on Metronome marks misses the relevant link to the program reference: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond-internals/MetronomeMark.html#MetronomeMark (Graham, I will fix it in CVS). /Mats Stephen wrote: > There is nothing about the Metronome Mark in the Changing Defaults > chapter. I have already ready the documentation. I figured out how to > move it up or down, but not left or right. In general, I think it would > look better over the time signature instead of over the first note. > > Stephen > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Percival" > To: "Stephen" > Cc: "lily-devel" > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 6:31 PM > Subject: Re: default MetronomeMark #padding > > >> >> On 8-May-05, at 2:15 PM, Stephen wrote: >> >>> Is there a way to shift the metronome mark to the left? If so, how? >>> If not, then this is a feature request. There. >> >> >> Is this for a one-time project, or in general? >> >> For a one-time use, please read the "Changing Defaults" chapter. >> >> In general, I thing this is a bad idea. It might look nice for the >> initial tempo marking, >> but any tempo markings in the middle of a piece would look odd. >> >> Cheers, >> - Graham >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 11:05:22 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV9o5-0002Wm-2n for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:04:29 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV9nl-0002TH-B1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:04:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV9ni-0002Rq-HU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:04:06 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV9nh-0002Aa-1Z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:04:05 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV9j8-0000uT-02 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:59:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189B761A97; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:53:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 05276-06; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:53:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D744961A9A; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:53:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84C661A97; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:53:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <427F7955.2070003@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:53:09 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> <7fd7899ff1386714469a99abb6107bab@shaw.ca> <427775A0.8020005@lilypond.org> <6a966fd525dd1a5d70fe0894d6a6fa14@shaw.ca> <4279527C.8020200@lilypond.org> <427F61BC.8040005@s3.kth.se> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Han-Wen Nienhuys , lily-devel Subject: Re: Pagebreak in lilypond-book X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 15:04:24 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: >>>> You should have better results if you use \book; inside a >>>> lilypond-book document, \book will output each page as a single .eps >>>> , so \pageBreak will probably work. >> >> >> I have only partial success here. When trying the example attached at >> the end of this email, I only get the first score line of the first >> page, the second one is lost. On the second page, I get the desired >> two score lines. Please debug and fix before version 2.6! > > > The second line of the first page _is_ in the .eps file. My guess is that > the "high above" text pushes it too low, and the second line gets cut > off by the bottom margin. > > You didn't mention this, so I'm not certain if you see the same behavior: > On fink 2.5.23 (and your test file) my first page consists of only > "Hello!"; > there's a pagebreak, then the "high above" and one line of music on page > 2. It would great if this was tweakable; if breakbefore (or > firstbreakbefore) > is false, don't insert a pagebreak before the \book. Now I see. Then the problem is that each .eps file has the size of an A4 page (well not exactly, the lily-*.eps files are 600x815pt whereas an A4 is 595x842pt). Since the .eps takes more space then what fits into the margins of the document, LaTeX will typeset it on a page of its own, so there's no chance to add your own titling above the first score line. /Mats From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 11:08:48 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV9sG-0003tH-8b for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:08:48 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV9sE-0003sW-LK for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:08:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV9sD-0003s4-UK for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:08:46 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV9o7-0002Aa-0H for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:04:31 -0400 Received: from [130.233.228.92] (helo=smtp-2.hut.fi) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DV9XS-0005cO-Sm for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:47:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (katosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.115]) by smtp-2.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j49Ef7hJ015341 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 17:41:07 +0300 Received: from smtp-2.hut.fi ([130.233.228.92]) by localhost (katosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.115]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08268-15-10 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 17:41:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: from baresi.hut.fi (baresi-m.hut.fi [130.233.228.121]) by smtp-2.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j49Eee4C015208 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 17:40:40 +0300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by baresi.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.6/Submit) id j49Eed4W031150 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 9 May 2005 17:40:39 +0300 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: <1115649639.427f7667c0194@webmail1.hut.fi> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 17:40:39 +0300 (EEST) From: Heikki Johannes Junes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: HUT webmail, IMP 2.2.6 X-Authenticated-Sender: hjunes@cc.hut.fi X-Originating-IP: 130.233.172.74 X-TKK-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.1.2-hutcc at katosiko.hut.fi Subject: Default action (give just a warning?) of non-defined variables X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Heikki.Junes@hut.fi List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 15:08:46 -0000 Would there be any sence if the default action of a non-defined variable would be `give just a warning'? I would like to do the following % mysong.ly % \global is not defined myMusic = { c4 d } myWordsA = { Hel- lo } myWordsB = { fel- low } % \myWordsC, \myWordsD, and \myWordsE are not defined \include "songtemplate.ily" % songtemplate.ily \score { \new Staff << \context Voice = myvoice { \voiceOne << \global \myMusic >> } \context Lyrics = myvoiceA { s1 } \context Lyrics = myvoiceB { s1 } \context Lyrics = myvoiceC { s1 } \context Lyrics = myvoiceD { s1 } \context Lyrics = myvoiceE { s1 } \context Lyrics = myvoiceA \lyricsto myvoice \WordsA \context Lyrics = myvoiceB \lyricsto myvoice \WordsB \context Lyrics = myvoiceC \lyricsto myvoice \WordsC \context Lyrics = myvoiceD \lyricsto myvoice \WordsD \context Lyrics = myvoiceE \lyricsto myvoice \WordsE >> } -- Terveisin Heikki Junes From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 11:09:13 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DV9sf-00042L-OK for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:09:13 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV9sc-000419-HR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:09:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV9sa-00040U-TD for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:09:09 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV9o7-0002Aa-9c for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:04:31 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV9Wz-0005Sj-NK for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:46:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA44861A97; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:40:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 05077-03; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:40:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41A061A9A; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:40:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9372661A97; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:40:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <427F7665.7050804@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:40:37 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> <7fd7899ff1386714469a99abb6107bab@shaw.ca> <427775A0.8020005@lilypond.org> <6a966fd525dd1a5d70fe0894d6a6fa14@shaw.ca> <4279527C.8020200@lilypond.org> <427F61BC.8040005@s3.kth.se> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Han-Wen Nienhuys , lily-devel Subject: Re: Pagebreak in lilypond-book X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 15:09:11 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > > On 9-May-05, at 6:12 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > >> Graham Percival wrote: >> >>> An alternative would be to use \book for each piece individually, >>> keeping the >>> headers in LaTeX. Currently \book forces a newpage, so I'd need to >>> turn that >>> off somehow. >> >> >> >> ??? When I try it here, I get a separate output PDF file for each >> \book{...}. Bug or feature? >> How can I use it to get all the resulting scores in the same file as >> you describe it? > > > Actually, I haven't tried more than one \book{} in a .lytex file; I > couldn't > get the first one to work. I was primarily talking about using \book in an ordinary .ly file /Mats From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 11:34:35 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVAHC-0004Lo-KJ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:34:34 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVAH9-0004Jt-EB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:34:32 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVAH8-0004JK-H0 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:34:30 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVAH8-0004JB-Cx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:34:30 -0400 Received: from [213.55.22.208] (helo=firebird.uklinux.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVALj-0002yC-QC for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:39:16 -0400 Received: by firebird.uklinux.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 730FF48110; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:33:02 +0100 (BST) From: Bernard Hurley To: Mats Bengtsson In-Reply-To: <427F61BC.8040005@s3.kth.se> References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> <7fd7899ff1386714469a99abb6107bab@shaw.ca> <427775A0.8020005@lilypond.org> <6a966fd525dd1a5d70fe0894d6a6fa14@shaw.ca> <4279527C.8020200@lilypond.org> <427F61BC.8040005@s3.kth.se> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:33:01 +0100 Message-Id: <1115652781.11290.19.camel@writer> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel , Han-Wen Nienhuys Subject: Re: Pagebreak in lilypond-book X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bernard@fong-hurley.org.uk List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 15:34:33 -0000 Mats Bengtsson wrote: > With the default treatment in lilypond-book, where each score line > is typeset in its own .eps file, it would be extremely tricky to > implement a \lpbookPageBreak, since then lilypond would have to > report information back to lilypond-book on where it should insert > the page break. I don't see why information like this could not be reported to lilypond-book. It presumably would be a matter of creating an extra LaTeX file while the eps files are being generated that is then including it into the lytex file. It seem to me that no matter how sophisticated lilypond becomes, there will always be things that can be done better with lilypond-book, unless, of course, you re-implement the whole of LaTeX! OTOH I don't suppose this is a priority for most users. However I would find various extensions to lp-book very useful as I am producing texts on harmony, orchestration, musical analysis etc. with some very long examples. > However, if you use the completely undocumented feature that you only > get one .eps file per page if you enclose your \score in a \book, > then you could use normal \pageBreak, as soon as the bugs have been > fixed. I hope the default behaviour remains possible (although maybe it doesn't need to be the default). As I like to be able to re-format my LaTeX doc without re-running lilypond. /Bernard From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 12:09:54 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVApO-00035f-AM for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:09:54 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVAk5-0002DG-Ms for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:04:28 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVAjv-000282-5q for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:04:15 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVAju-0001y7-8X for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:04:14 -0400 Received: from [213.55.22.208] (helo=firebird.uklinux.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVAXy-0006aU-MR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:51:54 -0400 Received: by firebird.uklinux.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9477A48110; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:45:41 +0100 (BST) From: Bernard Hurley To: Heikki.Junes@hut.fi In-Reply-To: <1115649639.427f7667c0194@webmail1.hut.fi> References: <1115649639.427f7667c0194@webmail1.hut.fi> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:45:40 +0100 Message-Id: <1115653541.11290.31.camel@writer> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Cc: Lilypond Development Subject: Re: Default action (give just a warning?) of non-defined variables X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bernard@fong-hurley.org.uk List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:09:52 -0000 This is a problem in all programming languages - what to do with undefined variables. There are 3 common solutions: 1) Stop with an error message 2) Ignore any statements that contain the variable and optionally issue a warning. 3) Assume a "default" value (e.g. "{}") and optionally issue a warning. For very small examples (2) and (3) seem to be useful, but IMHO they end up more nuisance than they are worth and make typos very difficult to find (e.g. if you typed \MyWondsA instead of \MyWordsA). Of course you could always read the warnings but anyone who seriously makes use of a feature like this will end up with so many warnings that it will be difficult to see which are informative and which are not. /Bernard On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 17:40 +0300, Heikki Johannes Junes wrote: > Would there be any sence if the default action of a non-defined variable > would be `give just a warning'? I would like to do the following > > % mysong.ly > % \global is not defined > myMusic = { c4 d } > myWordsA = { Hel- lo } > myWordsB = { fel- low } > % \myWordsC, \myWordsD, and \myWordsE are not defined > \include "songtemplate.ily" > > % songtemplate.ily > \score { > \new Staff << > \context Voice = myvoice { \voiceOne << \global \myMusic >> } > > \context Lyrics = myvoiceA { s1 } > \context Lyrics = myvoiceB { s1 } > \context Lyrics = myvoiceC { s1 } > \context Lyrics = myvoiceD { s1 } > \context Lyrics = myvoiceE { s1 } > \context Lyrics = myvoiceA \lyricsto myvoice \WordsA > \context Lyrics = myvoiceB \lyricsto myvoice \WordsB > \context Lyrics = myvoiceC \lyricsto myvoice \WordsC > \context Lyrics = myvoiceD \lyricsto myvoice \WordsD > \context Lyrics = myvoiceE \lyricsto myvoice \WordsE > >> > } > From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 12:09:56 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVApQ-00036d-Lz for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:09:56 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVApP-000360-1Y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:09:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVApN-00035R-NT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:09:54 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVAk5-00022Q-IZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:04:26 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVAom-0003hQ-J5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:09:16 -0400 Received: from pd3mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.178]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG800ABLCKL1C40@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:02:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml10so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.80]) by pd3mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG8002XTCKL48E0@pd3mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:02:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IG800F0CCKKN2@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 10:02:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 09:02:44 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <1115649639.427f7667c0194@webmail1.hut.fi> To: Heikki.Junes@hut.fi Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <1115649639.427f7667c0194@webmail1.hut.fi> Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Default action (give just a warning?) of non-defined variables X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:09:55 -0000 On 9-May-05, at 7:40 AM, Heikki Johannes Junes wrote: > Would there be any sence if the default action of a non-defined > variable > would be `give just a warning'? No, I don't think so. I can't think of any use for this. > I would like to do the following I don't understand what you're trying to do. Are you just trying to create individual parts? If so, you should look at http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/An- orchestral-part.html Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 12:14:29 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVAto-0004Pr-V1 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:14:29 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVAtm-0004Oz-TB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:14:27 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVAjw-00028a-Fz for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:04:25 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVAjv-00022Q-1u for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:04:15 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVAUT-00051O-SI for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:48:18 -0400 Received: from pd2mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr6so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.9]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG800BA48MKUG30@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:37:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml6so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.150]) by pd2mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG800CW88MK8LA0@pd2mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:37:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IG80081I8MJ6P@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:37:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 07:37:31 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: To: Stephen Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <29af07a6a86b3ba9e8ccfbabf075ef2c@shaw.ca> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: default MetronomeMark #padding X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:14:27 -0000 On 9-May-05, at 7:08 AM, Stephen wrote: > There is nothing about the Metronome Mark in the Changing Defaults > chapter. I have already ready the documentation. Please read this page. http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/ Common-tweaks.html In particular, look at the first example and the last example. > I figured out how to move it up or down, but not left or right. In > general, I think it would look better over the time signature instead > of over the first note. Yes, but tempo changes can occur in the middle of a piece. If we moved the Mark to the left by default, a tempo change in the middle of a piece would be floating in the middle of nowhere. It's easy to move the mark to the left if so desired. I proposed my change because I can't imagine anybody wanting the mark in its current position instead of being slightly higher. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 13:37:04 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVCBe-0005Mm-Vx for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 13:37:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVCBc-0005L3-9k for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 13:36:56 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVCBX-0005IB-Tp for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 13:36:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVCBX-0005HU-Pc for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 13:36:51 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVCGF-0000MO-OF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 13:41:43 -0400 Received: from pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.108]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG800HZZ8DCY020@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml6so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.150]) by pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG8001XH8DC8790@pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IG80050Y8DB9F@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 07:31:58 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <427F61BC.8040005@s3.kth.se> To: Mats Bengtsson Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9762e935e98f7442e52070b8cfb37874@shaw.ca> <1114760644.4820.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <427742B7.6030906@lilypond.org> <7fd7899ff1386714469a99abb6107bab@shaw.ca> <427775A0.8020005@lilypond.org> <6a966fd525dd1a5d70fe0894d6a6fa14@shaw.ca> <4279527C.8020200@lilypond.org> <427F61BC.8040005@s3.kth.se> Cc: Han-Wen Nienhuys , lily-devel Subject: Re: Pagebreak in lilypond-book X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 17:36:57 -0000 On 9-May-05, at 6:12 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: >> An alternative would be to use \book for each piece individually, >> keeping the >> headers in LaTeX. Currently \book forces a newpage, so I'd need to >> turn that >> off somehow. > > > ??? When I try it here, I get a separate output PDF file for each > \book{...}. Bug or feature? > How can I use it to get all the resulting scores in the same file as > you describe it? Actually, I haven't tried more than one \book{} in a .lytex file; I couldn't get the first one to work. >>> You should have better results if you use \book; inside a >>> lilypond-book document, \book will output each page as a single .eps >>> , so \pageBreak will probably work. > > I have only partial success here. When trying the example attached at > the end of this email, I only get the first score line of the first > page, the second one is lost. On the second page, I get the desired > two score lines. Please debug and fix before version 2.6! The second line of the first page _is_ in the .eps file. My guess is that the "high above" text pushes it too low, and the second line gets cut off by the bottom margin. You didn't mention this, so I'm not certain if you see the same behavior: On fink 2.5.23 (and your test file) my first page consists of only "Hello!"; there's a pagebreak, then the "high above" and one line of music on page 2. It would great if this was tweakable; if breakbefore (or firstbreakbefore) is false, don't insert a pagebreak before the \book. >> What if I use an embedded LaTeX \newpage? >> lilypond-book produces a .tex file that includes a "whole piece" .tex >> file. That >> "whole piece" .tex file includes many .eps files. If there's a >> \markup{ \\newpage } >> halfway through the .ly file, wouldn't it end up halfway through the >> .eps files ? >> or would it end up at the beginning or end of the .eps files? > With the default treatment in lilypond-book, where each score line > is typeset in its own .eps file, it would be extremely tricky to > implement a \lpbookPageBreak, since then lilypond would have to > report information back to lilypond-book on where it should insert > the page break. OK, I understand that now. I was previously thinking that the .eps wasn't completely compiled; in other words, { c4 c c c \break d^\markup{ \postscript #"foo" } d d d \break e e e e } would result in a .tex that looked something like this: \include{picture1.eps} \include{picture2.eps} foo \include{picture3.eps} (and "foo" could be the TeX or postscript newpage command) In other words, I guess I forgot that .eps stood for encapsulated _postscript_. :) Oh well. > However, if you use the completely undocumented feature that you only > get one .eps file per page if you enclose your \score in a \book, > then you could use normal \pageBreak, as soon as the bugs have been > fixed. If I can retain my LaTeX text at the beginning (and ending) of the pages, great. In other words, Page1: LaTeX foo +----+ |book | +-----+ Page 2: +-----+ | | | | | | +-----+ Page 3: +-----+ | | +-----+ LaTeX foo Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 14:49:08 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVDJR-000159-GZ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 14:49:05 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVDJH-0000yd-Eu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 14:48:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVDJD-0000wn-PY for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 14:48:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVDJD-0000vw-D1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 14:48:51 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DVDLS-0007F8-Tz for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 14:51:11 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DVCOy-0004fk-Hr for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 19:50:44 +0200 Received: from reg148.reg.utexas.edu ([128.83.86.147]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 09 May 2005 19:50:44 +0200 Received: from robert.wyatt by reg148.reg.utexas.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 09 May 2005 19:50:44 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org From: Robert T Wyatt Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 10:55:55 -0500 Lines: 66 Message-ID: <427F880B.8060507@austin.utexas.edu> References: <42799041.8000503@mail.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: reg148.reg.utexas.edu User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <42799041.8000503@mail.utexas.edu> Sender: news Subject: Re: 2.5.20-2 on MacOS 10.3.9 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 18:49:02 -0000 To properly close this thread: This seems to have been caused by a problem with pango (ie. NOT A LILYPOND PROBLEM!) which had been built against Apple's X11, but subsequently Xorg's X11 had been installed on the machine. The solution was to rebuild pango: fink rebuild pango1-xft2-ft219 pango1-xft2-ft219-shlibs The evidence for the problem was illustrated by issuing 'dpkg -S libexpat' as follows (note that, oddly, libexpat.0.dylib is NEWER than libexpat.1.dylib...): bash-3.00$ dpkg -S libexpat wxmac-shlibs: /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/deps/sw-lib-libexpat.0.dylib/wxmac-shlibs.deplist xorg, xorg-shlibs: /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/deps/usr-X11R6-lib-libexpat.0.dylib wxmac: /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/deps/sw-lib-libexpat.0.dylib/wxmac.deplist expat-shlibs: /sw/lib/libexpat.0.dylib expat: /sw/lib/libexpat.a expat: /sw/lib/libexpat.la xorg-shlibs: /usr/X11R6/lib/libexpat.0.4.dylib pango1-xft2-ft219-shlibs, pango1-xft2-ft219: /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/deps/usr-X11R6-lib-libexpat.1.dylib expat: /sw/lib/libexpat.dylib xorg: /usr/X11R6/lib/libexpat.a xorg: /usr/X11R6/lib/libexpat.dylib lilypond-devel: /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/deps/sw-lib-libexpat.0.dylib/lilypond-devel.deplist xorg-shlibs: /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/deps/usr-X11R6-lib-libexpat.0.dylib/xorg-shlibs.deplist expat: /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/deps/sw-lib-libexpat.0.dylib/expat.deplist expat, lilypond-devel, wxmac, graphviz, pango1-xft2-ft219-shlibs, wxmac-shlibs, gettext-tools: /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/deps/sw-lib-libexpat.0.dylib xorg-shlibs: /usr/X11R6/lib/libexpat.0.dylib pango1-xft2-ft219-shlibs: /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/deps/sw-lib-libexpat.0.dylib/pango1-xft2-ft219-shlibs.deplist gettext-tools: /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/deps/sw-lib-libexpat.0.dylib/gettext-tools.deplist pango1-xft2-ft219-shlibs: /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/deps/usr-X11R6-lib-libexpat.1.dylib/pango1-xft2-ft219-shlibs.deplist xorg: /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/deps/usr-X11R6-lib-libexpat.0.dylib/xorg.deplist graphviz: /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/deps/sw-lib-libexpat.0.dylib/graphviz.deplist pango1-xft2-ft219: /sw/var/lib/fink/prebound/deps/usr-X11R6-lib-libexpat.1.dylib/pango1-xft2-ft219.deplist expat-shlibs: /sw/lib/libexpat.0.5.0.dylib Robert T Wyatt wrote: > I was able to build it and install it, but when I try to run it: > > -bash-3.00$ lilypond test.ly > dyld: lilypond can't open library: /usr/X11R6/lib/libexpat.1.dylib (No > such file or directory, errno = 2) > Trace/BPT trap > -bash-3.00$ lilypond --version > dyld: lilypond can't open library: /usr/X11R6/lib/libexpat.1.dylib (No > such file or directory, errno = 2) > Trace/BPT trap > -bash-3.00$ fink list lilypond > Information about 4863 packages read in 66 seconds. > lilypond 2.4.5-2 GNU Music Typesetter > i lilypond-devel 2.5.20-2 GNU Music Typesetter From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 15:12:30 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVDg6-0006rY-LF for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 15:12:30 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVDg5-0006rD-7L for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 15:12:29 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVDg4-0006qr-G6 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 15:12:28 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVDYP-00055c-Hf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 15:04:34 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.112] (helo=BAY0-SMTP05.phx.gbl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVDQG-0000UN-TJ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 14:56:09 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.184.126] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.184.126]) by BAY0-SMTP05.phx.gbl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 9 May 2005 11:49:38 -0700 Message-ID: <006201c554c7$de4e84c0$1dac0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Mats Bengtsson" References: <29af07a6a86b3ba9e8ccfbabf075ef2c@shaw.ca> <427F756F.10905@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 13:39:51 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2005 18:49:46.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF0FB1E0:01C554C7] Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: default MetronomeMark #padding X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 19:12:29 -0000 I forgot about 'extra-offset', thanks. I already found MetronomeMark, in the program reference, but the link to it should be there. I even experimented with changing the font size through the font-interface, verifying that the interfaces that the object supports can be used with the object. I need to remember that 'extra-offset' works with every grob. I even got 'text' from the text-interface to not create errors, but it does not affect anything. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Bengtsson" To: "Stephen" Cc: "Graham Percival" ; "lily-devel" Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: Re: default MetronomeMark #padding > The chapter describes the general mechanisms for setting properties. > In particular, the section called "Common Tweaks" describes a > property called extra-offset that can be used to move things around. > > Even if you use an older version of LilyPond, I can recommend to take > a look at the manual for version 2.5, since this section has been > updated and improved recently and most of the facts are true also > for version 2.4 and even for 2.2. > > The manual cannot possibly describe every conceivable setting that > can be done, but the information in "Common Tweaks" together with > "Constructing a Tweak" and "Navigating the program reference" should > hopefully describe the general mechanisms well enough that you will > be able to find the solution to your particular needs yourself. > In this case, I happened to notice that the section on Metronome > marks misses the relevant link to the program reference: > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond-internals/MetronomeMark.html#MetronomeMark > (Graham, I will fix it in CVS). > > /Mats > > Stephen wrote: >> There is nothing about the Metronome Mark in the Changing Defaults >> chapter. I have already ready the documentation. I figured out how to >> move it up or down, but not left or right. In general, I think it would >> look better over the time signature instead of over the first note. >> >> Stephen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Percival" >> To: "Stephen" >> Cc: "lily-devel" >> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 6:31 PM >> Subject: Re: default MetronomeMark #padding >> >> >>> >>> On 8-May-05, at 2:15 PM, Stephen wrote: >>> >>>> Is there a way to shift the metronome mark to the left? If so, how? If >>>> not, then this is a feature request. There. >>> >>> >>> Is this for a one-time project, or in general? >>> >>> For a one-time use, please read the "Changing Defaults" chapter. >>> >>> In general, I thing this is a bad idea. It might look nice for the >>> initial tempo marking, >>> but any tempo markings in the middle of a piece would look odd. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> - Graham >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lilypond-devel mailing list >> lilypond-devel@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > > -- > ============================================= > Mats Bengtsson > Signal Processing > Signals, Sensors and Systems > Royal Institute of Technology > SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM > Sweden > Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 > Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se > WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe > ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 15:13:17 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVDgr-00076U-BN for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 15:13:17 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5nM-0000Wq-83 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:47:28 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5nK-0000WC-Ud for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:47:27 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV5nK-0000Vg-4x for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:47:26 -0400 Received: from [193.226.220.4] (helo=mail.euroweb.hu) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV5r5-00030O-BU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 06:51:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 9975 invoked from network); 9 May 2005 10:45:08 -0000 Received: from fw2.geomagic.wavenet.hu (HELO kos.hu.geomagic.com) (193.91.71.65) by mail.euroweb.hu (qpsmtpd) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 May 2005 12:45:08 +0200 Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 12:45:05 +0200 To: "Juergen Reuter" References: From: "Pal Benko" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 09 May 2005 15:13:16 -0400 Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: mensural notation X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 10:47:28 -0000 Hi Jürgen, >>> What I do not understand, if you want neo-mensural noteheads, why not just >>> doing "\override Voice.NoteHead #'style = #'neomensural"? >> >> As far as I can see, the main difference between neomensural and mensural >> notehead are (besides the different parameters) that mensural noteheads have >> diamond shape at their centerline, while neomensural heads have it at the >> outer boundary, and I just need this. Note that with my patch the mensural >> and neomensural noteheads still look different. >> My main point is to have bigger noteheads, almost two linespaces high; >> but it should not be so big that a notehead between two stafflines have >> those lines visible in the interior hole. >> >> p >> > > Ah, ok. But I would not like to completely drop the current mensural > shapes, since I have seen quite some printed ancient examples (mostly > in [1]) with noteheads very similar to the current mensural shapes. Let me clarify me a bit: my core problem with the current official ancient noteheads is that they are way smaller than those I've seen in manuscipts and Petrucci prints. First I wanted to have larger mensural noteheads, and then I saw the problem written above, i.e. for a note on a staff-line the line did not cross the left and right corners of the notehead (and if I interpreted the comments correctly, that is a problem for you as well). I've tried to modify the description, but didn't succeed; and then I found out that neomensural heads can be parametrised so that I get what I want. I have seen such tiny noteheads in modern print (Wolf, Crevel's edition of Obrecht's Missa Maria zart), but these are not facsimiles. I'll check MGG. > But maybe you can convince me that your shapes are > the more authentic or the more beautiful ones... I can make scans of the facsimiles I have. Perhaps it would be good anyway (e.g. Lilypond doesn't have Gamma clef). > So, maybe for the time being, we should just add a > new notehead style? Do you have any idea for a naming convention (for the > clefs, we e.g. have mensural and petrucci style)? My style is quite close (a little bit bigger) to that of Petrucci; if you think it's worth the trouble, I'll scan some Petrucci, magnify it, take exact measurements and then we can call the style in the patch Petrucci-style. Cheers, p From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 15:13:17 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVDgr-00076Y-G1 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 15:13:17 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV7Yd-0002ai-T1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:40:24 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DV7YZ-0002ZN-RO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:40:20 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DV7YY-0002Xp-9R for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:40:18 -0400 Received: from [193.226.220.4] (helo=mail.euroweb.hu) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DV7bw-0003Hl-UX for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 08:43:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 11659 invoked from network); 9 May 2005 12:37:37 -0000 Received: from fw2.geomagic.wavenet.hu (HELO kos.hu.geomagic.com) (193.91.71.65) by mail.euroweb.hu (qpsmtpd) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 May 2005 14:37:37 +0200 To: "Juergen Reuter" References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 14:37:36 +0200 From: "Pal Benko" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 09 May 2005 15:13:16 -0400 Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: mensural notation X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 12:40:24 -0000 > What about the remaining durations (maxima, ...) for petrucci style? > I guess, they should be the same as for mensural style? Yes. These as well are quite close but not identical to those found in Petrucci prints; they will do. p From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 17:20:34 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVFfF-0003m7-QA for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 17:19:46 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVFf2-0003hz-6J for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 17:19:32 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVFex-0003gL-BH for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 17:19:27 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVFew-0003W9-9X for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 17:19:26 -0400 Received: from [141.3.10.81] (helo=iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DVFhq-0007gU-7m for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 17:22:26 -0400 Received: from irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.5] helo=irams1.ira.uka.de) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1DVFbj-0002qF-0z; Mon, 09 May 2005 23:16:10 +0200 Received: from i41pc36.ipd.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.49.176] ident=[U2FsdGVkX1+Emmn5NMPajqOJKoEU2wspycFTlyyyi88=]) by irams1.ira.uka.de with esmtps id 1DVFbi-0001Ys-Ed; Mon, 09 May 2005 23:16:06 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 23:16:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Juergen Reuter X-X-Sender: reuter@i41pc36.ipd.uni-karlsruhe.de To: Pal Benko In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -5.8 (-----) Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Juergen Reuter Subject: Re: mensural notation X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 21:19:37 -0000 Applied (in CVS). Greetings, Juergen On Mon, 9 May 2005, Pal Benko wrote: >> What about the remaining durations (maxima, ...) for petrucci style? >> I guess, they should be the same as for mensural style? > > Yes. These as well are quite close but not identical to those found > in Petrucci prints; they will do. > > p > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 09 18:20:43 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVGcF-0003oq-IB for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 18:20:43 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVGcC-0003oO-Sz for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 18:20:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVGcB-0003nq-R9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 18:20:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVGcB-0003ng-Lq for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 18:20:39 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.110] (helo=BAY0-SMTP03.phx.gbl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVGgd-0007MF-Op for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 18:25:15 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.187.124] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.187.124]) by BAY0-SMTP03.phx.gbl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 9 May 2005 15:17:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c554e4$f47433e0$7cbb0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "lilypond devel" Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:17:52 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2005 22:17:59.0241 (UTC) FILETIME=[F52A8B90:01C554E4] Subject: TextScript X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 22:20:41 -0000 I think an example should be added to the documentation using TextScript under 5.7.5 Text scripts or 7.4 Text markup or 7.2.1 Common tweaks like this: \override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #1.2 c4 c8. c16 c4^\markup { \translate #(cons 1.75 0) "Fine" } \breathe \bar "||" Or maybe demonstrating how to use script-priority might be more interesting in the Common tweak section although it is not a common tweak I suppose. Stephen From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 10 04:20:28 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVPyb-0004Ih-J7 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 04:20:26 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVPyN-0004G1-SJ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 04:20:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVPy8-0004Dl-Rd for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 04:20:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVPy7-0004C8-T3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 04:19:56 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVQ0f-0006XH-TU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 04:22:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8969561A97; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:16:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 17348-09; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:16:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4676B61A9A; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:16:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3863461A97; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:16:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42806DCB.8060406@s3.kth.se> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:16:11 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: TextScript X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:20:19 -0000 Exactly what feature is it you want to illustrate? the padding or the \translate markup command or? By the way, why not use the \mark command to attach the Fine to the bar line instead? {\override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #1.2 c4 c8. c16 c4 \breathe \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'break-visibility = #begin-of-line-invisible \mark "Fine" \bar "||" /Mats Stephen wrote: > I think an example should be added to the documentation using TextScript > under 5.7.5 Text scripts or 7.4 Text markup or 7.2.1 Common tweaks like > this: > > \override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #1.2 > c4 c8. c16 c4^\markup { \translate #(cons 1.75 0) "Fine" } \breathe > \bar "||" > > Or maybe demonstrating how to use script-priority might be more > interesting in the Common tweak section although it is not a common > tweak I suppose. > > Stephen > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 10 04:26:07 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVQ45-0005a1-VN for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 04:26:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVQ42-0005Yw-Mi for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 04:26:02 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVQ10-0004oC-Vx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 04:22:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVPzc-0004C8-1R for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 04:21:28 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVPdj-0002BL-6f for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 03:58:51 -0400 Received: from pd5mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr8so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.184]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG9007H0KJII720@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 01:52:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd5mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IG900MAJKFM03F0@pd5mr8so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 01:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IG900B39KFLPW@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 01:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 00:50:08 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: To: Stephen Message-id: <8d78c5a2aa691213262250dfcd2cb559@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: TextScript X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:26:03 -0000 On 9-May-05, at 3:17 PM, Stephen wrote: > I think an example should be added to the documentation using > TextScript under 5.7.5 Text scripts or 7.4 Text markup or 7.2.1 Common > tweaks like this: > > \override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #1.2 > c4 c8. c16 c4^\markup { \translate #(cons 1.75 0) "Fine" } \breathe > \bar "||" What does this tweak demonstrate? Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 10 05:41:04 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVREd-0005GN-Jd for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 05:41:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVREb-0005Fw-ND for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 05:41:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVREL-0005EC-2S for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 05:40:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVREK-0004sa-Uf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 05:40:44 -0400 Received: from [130.238.7.33] (helo=limicola.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVRBv-0005SC-OE for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 05:38:16 -0400 Received: by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id B41324C1C; Tue, 10 May 2005 11:31:53 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from limicola.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by limicola.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s71700; Tue, 10 May 05 11:31:42 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.51] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6974C13; Tue, 10 May 2005 11:31:39 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:31:35 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: In-Reply-To: X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505101131.36749.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: Graham Percival Subject: Re: default MetronomeMark #padding X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:41:02 -0000 On Monday 09 May 2005 16.37, Graham Percival wrote: > On 9-May-05, at 7:08 AM, Stephen wrote: > > There is nothing about the Metronome Mark in the Changing Defaults > > chapter. I have already ready the documentation. > > Please read this page. > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/ > Common-tweaks.html > > In particular, look at the first example and the last example. > > > I figured out how to move it up or down, but not left or right. In > > general, I think it would look better over the time signature instead > > of over the first note. > > Yes, but tempo changes can occur in the middle of a piece. If we moved > the Mark > to the left by default, a tempo change in the middle of a piece would > be floating in > the middle of nowhere. We could have a rule saying that the change could be placed right above the note where change exists, or if there is a time signature at that moment as well, place it over it instead. I don't know what's the common practise in engraving though. Erik From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 10 05:54:45 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVRRs-0003if-If for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 05:54:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVRRm-0003gj-SF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 05:54:39 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVRRj-0003el-8L for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 05:54:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVRRi-0003cF-HX for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 05:54:34 -0400 Received: from [130.238.7.33] (helo=limicola.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVRTg-0001h0-TL for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 05:56:37 -0400 Received: by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id 5D5F449C7; Tue, 10 May 2005 11:50:14 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from limicola.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by limicola.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s71700; Tue, 10 May 05 11:50:11 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.51] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33E24935; Tue, 10 May 2005 11:50:10 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:50:08 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200505091117.22580.gc@niccolai.ws> <427F3F19.5020209@s3.kth.se> In-Reply-To: <427F3F19.5020209@s3.kth.se> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505101150.09569.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: Mats Bengtsson Subject: Re: e-mail change notice. X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:54:41 -0000 On Monday 09 May 2005 12.44, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > You are lucky if you haven't been hit by this kind of spam until now, > it has been very frequent for several years by now. > The lilypond mailing lists are archived in a few different archives. > Those I know of are http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/, > http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-devel@gnu.org/ and > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.devel/ > > The HTML code for the archived emails on the two first of these servers > contain code like > >
> > > > >
reply via email to
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> > to let users send a reply. As you can see, it's fairly easy for a human > to decipher your email address from the information in these lines, but > I doubt that any spam server implementor will take the effort to handle > it. The gmane server includes the email address written in the form > > From: Giancarlo Niccolai niccolai.ws> I would be surprised if harvesters don't catch this now (or soon). Even mail clients such as kmail do it (if you copy "foo (at) bar.com" to clipboard, and paste it into the To: field, then " (at) " will be replaced by "@"). This is a sign that the (at) trick is so commonly used that it definitely would be "worth" implementing it in harvesters. Anyway, I prefer a different approach for my homepage, using a hand-drawn image. That should be safe. http://www.math.uu.se/~sandberg/faq.html Erik From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 10 10:08:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVPn-00081X-2g for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:08:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVPl-0007zt-Et for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:08:49 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVPk-0007z0-2R for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:08:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVPj-0007xy-Rg for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:08:47 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.115] (helo=BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVVTm-0005Ox-I8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:12:58 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.173.205] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.173.205]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 10 May 2005 07:06:32 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c55569$77924990$cdad0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Graham Percival" References: <8d78c5a2aa691213262250dfcd2cb559@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:06:26 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2005 14:06:33.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[78BA27C0:01C55569] Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: TextScript X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:08:50 -0000 I think the thing I did not find intuitive is that something called TextScript affects markup. If is was just mentioned under 1.4 Text markup that TextScript affects all text markup, I would have figured that out a lot sooner. Any example that uses TextScript demonostrating that subsequent uses of \markup are affected by it would help a lot, I think. So I guess I narrowed it down to I would like to see it under 7.4 Text markup. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Percival" To: "Stephen" Cc: "lilypond devel" Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 2:50 AM Subject: Re: TextScript > > On 9-May-05, at 3:17 PM, Stephen wrote: > >> I think an example should be added to the documentation using TextScript >> under 5.7.5 Text scripts or 7.4 Text markup or 7.2.1 Common tweaks like >> this: >> >> \override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #1.2 >> c4 c8. c16 c4^\markup { \translate #(cons 1.75 0) "Fine" } \breathe >> \bar "||" > > What does this tweak demonstrate? > > Cheers, > - Graham > From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 10 10:16:45 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVXQ-0003M5-WF for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:16:45 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVXM-0003Jf-Jh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:16:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVXJ-0003HN-5G for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:16:37 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVXJ-0003G4-1j for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:16:37 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.118] (helo=BAY0-SMTP11.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVVaJ-0006qD-KZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:19:43 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.173.205] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.173.205]) by BAY0-SMTP11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 10 May 2005 07:13:17 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c5556a$68d71e70$cdad0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Mats Bengtsson" References: <42806DCB.8060406@s3.kth.se> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:13:13 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2005 14:13:18.0361 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A062890:01C5556A] Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: TextScript X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:16:42 -0000 Sometimes, quite often really, \translate will not raise text, only move it left or right, but increasing padding will work. I never considered using a Rehearsal Mark for text. I see now that it would work, but I want the end of the word 'Fine' to line up with the bar, so a little shifting would still be necessary, although maybe right or left alignment would work better using Rehearsal Mark. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Bengtsson" To: "Stephen" Cc: "lilypond devel" Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 3:16 AM Subject: Re: TextScript > Exactly what feature is it you want to illustrate? the padding or the > \translate markup command or? > > By the way, why not use the \mark command to attach the Fine to the > bar line instead? > > {\override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #1.2 > c4 c8. c16 c4 \breathe > \once \override Score.RehearsalMark > #'break-visibility = #begin-of-line-invisible > \mark "Fine" \bar "||" > > > /Mats > > Stephen wrote: >> I think an example should be added to the documentation using TextScript >> under 5.7.5 Text scripts or 7.4 Text markup or 7.2.1 Common tweaks like >> this: >> >> \override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #1.2 >> c4 c8. c16 c4^\markup { \translate #(cons 1.75 0) "Fine" } \breathe >> \bar "||" >> >> Or maybe demonstrating how to use script-priority might be more >> interesting in the Common tweak section although it is not a common tweak >> I suppose. >> >> Stephen >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lilypond-devel mailing list >> lilypond-devel@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > > -- > ============================================= > Mats Bengtsson > Signal Processing > Signals, Sensors and Systems > Royal Institute of Technology > SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM > Sweden > Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 > Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se > WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe > ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 10 10:39:56 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVtp-0002Wi-7M for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:39:53 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVti-0002Ru-Fu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:39:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVte-0002PO-LC for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:39:43 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVte-0002PB-HZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:39:42 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.110] (helo=BAY0-SMTP03.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVVyH-00031D-9K for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:44:29 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.185.228] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.185.228]) by BAY0-SMTP03.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 10 May 2005 07:38:02 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c5556d$ddf340f0$cdad0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Mats Bengtsson" References: <42806DCB.8060406@s3.kth.se> <4280C29D.3010208@s3.kth.se> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:37:58 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2005 14:38:03.0279 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF1AA9F0:01C5556D] Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: TextScript X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:39:49 -0000 Thanks, 'cause even though I glibly talked about alignment, I did not know how it could be done. Now I know. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Bengtsson" To: "Stephen" Cc: "lilypond devel" Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: Re: TextScript > Just add > \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'self-alignment-X = #right > > Simple, isn't it? :-) > > /Mats > > Stephen wrote: >> Sometimes, quite often really, \translate will not raise text, only move >> it left or right, but increasing padding will work. >> >> I never considered using a Rehearsal Mark for text. I see now that it >> would work, but I want the end of the word 'Fine' to line up with the >> bar, so a little shifting would still be necessary, although maybe right >> or left alignment would work better using Rehearsal Mark. >> >> Stephen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Bengtsson" >> >> To: "Stephen" >> Cc: "lilypond devel" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 3:16 AM >> Subject: Re: TextScript >> >> >>> Exactly what feature is it you want to illustrate? the padding or the >>> \translate markup command or? >>> >>> By the way, why not use the \mark command to attach the Fine to the >>> bar line instead? >>> >>> {\override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #1.2 >>> c4 c8. c16 c4 \breathe >>> \once \override Score.RehearsalMark >>> #'break-visibility = #begin-of-line-invisible >>> \mark "Fine" \bar "||" >>> >>> >>> /Mats >>> >>> Stephen wrote: >>> >>>> I think an example should be added to the documentation using >>>> TextScript under 5.7.5 Text scripts or 7.4 Text markup or 7.2.1 Common >>>> tweaks like this: >>>> >>>> \override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #1.2 >>>> c4 c8. c16 c4^\markup { \translate #(cons 1.75 0) "Fine" } \breathe >>>> \bar "||" >>>> >>>> Or maybe demonstrating how to use script-priority might be more >>>> interesting in the Common tweak section although it is not a common >>>> tweak I suppose. >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> lilypond-devel mailing list >>>> lilypond-devel@gnu.org >>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ============================================= >>> Mats Bengtsson >>> Signal Processing >>> Signals, Sensors and Systems >>> Royal Institute of Technology >>> SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM >>> Sweden >>> Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 >>> Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se >>> WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe >>> ============================================= >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lilypond-devel mailing list >> lilypond-devel@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > > -- > ============================================= > Mats Bengtsson > Signal Processing > Signals, Sensors and Systems > Royal Institute of Technology > SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM > Sweden > Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 > Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se > WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe > ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 10 10:42:03 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVvv-0003QX-Au for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:42:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVvt-0003Oy-6d for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:42:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVvs-0003OQ-E2 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:42:00 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVuH-0002PB-N9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:40:21 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVVey-0007l8-GM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:24:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E99D61A9A; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:18:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 26304-01; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:18:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF50661A9D; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:18:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id B148761A9A; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:18:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4280C29D.3010208@s3.kth.se> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:18:05 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen References: <42806DCB.8060406@s3.kth.se> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: TextScript X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:42:01 -0000 Just add \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'self-alignment-X = #right Simple, isn't it? :-) /Mats Stephen wrote: > Sometimes, quite often really, \translate will not raise text, only move > it left or right, but increasing padding will work. > > I never considered using a Rehearsal Mark for text. I see now that it > would work, but I want the end of the word 'Fine' to line up with the > bar, so a little shifting would still be necessary, although maybe right > or left alignment would work better using Rehearsal Mark. > > Stephen > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Bengtsson" > > To: "Stephen" > Cc: "lilypond devel" > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 3:16 AM > Subject: Re: TextScript > > >> Exactly what feature is it you want to illustrate? the padding or the >> \translate markup command or? >> >> By the way, why not use the \mark command to attach the Fine to the >> bar line instead? >> >> {\override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #1.2 >> c4 c8. c16 c4 \breathe >> \once \override Score.RehearsalMark >> #'break-visibility = #begin-of-line-invisible >> \mark "Fine" \bar "||" >> >> >> /Mats >> >> Stephen wrote: >> >>> I think an example should be added to the documentation using >>> TextScript under 5.7.5 Text scripts or 7.4 Text markup or 7.2.1 >>> Common tweaks like this: >>> >>> \override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #1.2 >>> c4 c8. c16 c4^\markup { \translate #(cons 1.75 0) "Fine" } \breathe >>> \bar "||" >>> >>> Or maybe demonstrating how to use script-priority might be more >>> interesting in the Common tweak section although it is not a common >>> tweak I suppose. >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> lilypond-devel mailing list >>> lilypond-devel@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel >> >> >> -- >> ============================================= >> Mats Bengtsson >> Signal Processing >> Signals, Sensors and Systems >> Royal Institute of Technology >> SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM >> Sweden >> Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 >> Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se >> WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe >> ============================================= > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 10 10:44:03 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVxr-0004Eg-5M for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:44:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVxo-0004DS-Mi for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:44:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVxl-0004Bk-Qd for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:43:58 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVVxl-0004A3-6k; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:43:57 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVW25-0004G8-Bx; Tue, 10 May 2005 10:48:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D425A61A9A; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:41:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 26872-05; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:41:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C4561A9B; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:41:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551B561A9A; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:41:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4280C836.1090200@s3.kth.se> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:41:58 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <8b08aa85e6cdc254b857854d1b3dcf61@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <8b08aa85e6cdc254b857854d1b3dcf61@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond devel , lilypond-user Mailinglist Subject: Re: override-auto-beam-setting in \layout{} ? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:44:01 -0000 See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2005-01/msg00123.html The score-override-auto-beam-setting function is included in LilyPond by now, so there's no need to copy the Scheme code in the answer. The first alternative in the answer cited above can be rewritten in a slightly smoother form: #(define-public (layout-override-auto-beam-setting setting num den) (cons (cons setting (ly:make-moment num den)) default-auto-beam-settings)) \layout{ \context{ \Score autoBeamSettings = #(layout-override-auto-beam-setting '(end * * 5 8) 2 8) } } The problem is that you can't call it several times if you want to add several settings, since it only appends to default-auto-beam-settings. I didn't find any Scheme function that can be used within a \layout{\context{...}} to read the current value of a context property. /Mats Graham Percival wrote: > Can I specify something like > #(override-auto-beam-setting '(end * * 5 8) 3 8) > > in a \layout{ \context { \Score foo }}} ? > > I'd like to specify a number of irregular beaming settings in a file > which can be \include'd in many other files. I know how to do that > with regular \set and \override commands, but #(override-auto...) > seems to behave a bit differently. > > Cheers, > - Graham > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 10 12:45:47 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVXrf-0001GM-32 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 12:45:47 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVXrW-0001DT-5x for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 12:45:38 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVXrQ-0001Bi-47 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 12:45:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVXrN-00018X-73; Tue, 10 May 2005 12:45:31 -0400 Received: from [128.187.22.97] (helo=Rowan.exch.ad.byu.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVXqS-000277-Hf; Tue, 10 May 2005 12:44:32 -0400 Received: from STRONG.exch.ad.byu.edu ([128.187.22.100]) by Rowan.exch.ad.byu.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 10 May 2005 10:38:04 -0600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:38:03 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: override-auto-beam-setting in \layout{} ? Thread-Index: AcVVfqJ0u7PMIE0gQWOxbnu7Nk8WTA== From: "Carl D. Sorensen" To: "Mats Bengtsson" , "Graham Percival" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2005 16:38:04.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3809380:01C5557E] Cc: lilypond-user Mailinglist , lilypond devel Subject: RE: override-auto-beam-setting in \layout{} ? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:45:41 -0000 =20 Mats wrote: >I didn't find any Scheme function that can be used within a \layout{\context{...}} to read the current value >of a context property. > > /Mats > >Graham Percival wrote: >> Can I specify something like >> #(override-auto-beam-setting '(end * * 5 8) 3 8) >>=20 >> in a \layout{ \context { \Score foo }}} ? >>=20 I think you can use the Scheme function chain-assoc-get to get the value of any property. In fret-diagrams.scm I used the function to get the value of 'top-fret-thickness. (chain-assoc-get 'top-fret-thickness props 3.0) This code returnd the value of 'top-fret-thickness if it is defined in the alist-chain props. If 'top-fret-thickness is not defined, it returns the value of 3.0. Carl Sorensen From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 10 13:11:06 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVYGA-000397-BB for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:11:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVYG6-000360-R4 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:11:03 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVYG4-00034Y-IB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:11:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVYG2-00031f-7s for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:10:58 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.117] (helo=BAY0-SMTP10.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVYIY-0008Eh-Mn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:13:34 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.175.212] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.175.212]) by BAY0-SMTP10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 10 May 2005 10:07:05 -0700 Message-ID: <003501c55582$b0a9e1c0$cdad0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Mats Bengtsson" References: <42806DCB.8060406@s3.kth.se> <4280C29D.3010208@s3.kth.se> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:07:02 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2005 17:07:06.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1CED9C0:01C55582] Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: TextScript X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:11:04 -0000 I would like to point out in comparing these two examples: \override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #1.2 c4 c8. c16 c4^\markup { \translate #(cons 1.75 0) "Fine" } \breathe \bar "||" and \override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #1.2 c4 c8. c16 c4 \breathe \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'break-visibility = #begin-of-line-invisible \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'self-alignment-X = #right \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'font-size = #0 \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'padding = #1.2 \mark "Fine" \bar "||" That in the second example, you have to change the padding for RehearsalMark, TextScript padding won't affect the rehearsal mark. The two examples are nearly identical. The advantage of the second is that you can line it up to the barline explicitly instead of eyeballing it and lining it up by hand with \translate. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Bengtsson" To: "Stephen" Cc: "lilypond devel" Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: Re: TextScript > Just add > \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'self-alignment-X = #right > > Simple, isn't it? :-) > > /Mats > > Stephen wrote: >> Sometimes, quite often really, \translate will not raise text, only move >> it left or right, but increasing padding will work. >> >> I never considered using a Rehearsal Mark for text. I see now that it >> would work, but I want the end of the word 'Fine' to line up with the >> bar, so a little shifting would still be necessary, although maybe right >> or left alignment would work better using Rehearsal Mark. >> >> Stephen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Bengtsson" >> >> To: "Stephen" >> Cc: "lilypond devel" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 3:16 AM >> Subject: Re: TextScript >> >> >>> Exactly what feature is it you want to illustrate? the padding or the >>> \translate markup command or? >>> >>> By the way, why not use the \mark command to attach the Fine to the >>> bar line instead? >>> >>> {\override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #1.2 >>> c4 c8. c16 c4 \breathe >>> \once \override Score.RehearsalMark >>> #'break-visibility = #begin-of-line-invisible >>> \mark "Fine" \bar "||" >>> >>> >>> /Mats >>> >>> Stephen wrote: >>> >>>> I think an example should be added to the documentation using >>>> TextScript under 5.7.5 Text scripts or 7.4 Text markup or 7.2.1 Common >>>> tweaks like this: >>>> >>>> \override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #1.2 >>>> c4 c8. c16 c4^\markup { \translate #(cons 1.75 0) "Fine" } \breathe >>>> \bar "||" >>>> >>>> Or maybe demonstrating how to use script-priority might be more >>>> interesting in the Common tweak section although it is not a common >>>> tweak I suppose. >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> lilypond-devel mailing list >>>> lilypond-devel@gnu.org >>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ============================================= >>> Mats Bengtsson >>> Signal Processing >>> Signals, Sensors and Systems >>> Royal Institute of Technology >>> SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM >>> Sweden >>> Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 >>> Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se >>> WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe >>> ============================================= >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lilypond-devel mailing list >> lilypond-devel@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > > -- > ============================================= > Mats Bengtsson > Signal Processing > Signals, Sensors and Systems > Royal Institute of Technology > SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM > Sweden > Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 > Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se > WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe > ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 10 13:21:24 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVYQ7-0007m2-Rc for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:21:24 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVYPq-0007gw-5m for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:21:06 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVYPk-0007dY-Pd for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:21:02 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVYPi-0007bs-T2 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:20:59 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.114] (helo=BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVYRI-0001df-U1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:22:37 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.175.212] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.175.212]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 10 May 2005 10:16:09 -0700 Message-ID: <004001c55583$f4669f10$cdad0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Stephen" , "Graham Percival" References: <8d78c5a2aa691213262250dfcd2cb559@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:16:05 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2005 17:16:09.0897 (UTC) FILETIME=[F591B190:01C55583] Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: TextScript X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:21:08 -0000 Thinking about it even more, I realise that having a link to TextScript in the programming reference somewhere under 7.4 Text markup instead of just under 5.7.5 Text scripts to make up for the confusion in terminology that Text script and Text markup are two terms that basically describe the same thing. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" To: "Graham Percival" Cc: "lilypond devel" Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:06 AM Subject: Re: TextScript >I think the thing I did not find intuitive is that something called >TextScript affects markup. If is was just mentioned under 1.4 Text markup >that TextScript affects all text markup, I would have figured that out a >lot sooner. Any example that uses TextScript demonostrating that subsequent >uses of \markup are affected by it would help a lot, I think. > > So I guess I narrowed it down to I would like to see it under 7.4 Text > markup. > > Stephen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Percival" > To: "Stephen" > Cc: "lilypond devel" > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 2:50 AM > Subject: Re: TextScript > > >> >> On 9-May-05, at 3:17 PM, Stephen wrote: >> >>> I think an example should be added to the documentation using TextScript >>> under 5.7.5 Text scripts or 7.4 Text markup or 7.2.1 Common tweaks like >>> this: >>> >>> \override Voice.TextScript #'padding = #1.2 >>> c4 c8. c16 c4^\markup { \translate #(cons 1.75 0) "Fine" } \breathe >>> \bar "||" >> >> What does this tweak demonstrate? >> >> Cheers, >> - Graham >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 10 14:05:53 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVZ7A-0001Sk-Fa for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:05:52 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVZ72-0001Pi-Uf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:05:45 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVZ6x-0001N6-US for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:05:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVZ6w-0001I1-KH for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:05:38 -0400 Received: from [130.233.228.91] (helo=smtp-1.hut.fi) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DVZA2-00030i-Dn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:08:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (putosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.114]) by smtp-1.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4AI2Ld3015589; Tue, 10 May 2005 21:02:21 +0300 Received: from smtp-1.hut.fi ([130.233.228.91]) by localhost (putosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.114]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02946-19-2; Tue, 10 May 2005 21:02:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from maldini.hut.fi (maldini-m.hut.fi [130.233.228.122]) by smtp-1.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4AI2GFL015578; Tue, 10 May 2005 21:02:16 +0300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by maldini.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.6/Submit) id j4AI2GSp002849; Tue, 10 May 2005 21:02:16 +0300 To: Graham Percival Message-ID: <1115748136.4280f7285fb14@webmail2.hut.fi> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:02:16 +0300 (EEST) From: Heikki Johannes Junes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: HUT webmail, IMP 2.2.6 X-Authenticated-Sender: hjunes@cc.hut.fi X-Originating-IP: 81.17.197.24 X-TKK-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.1.2-hutcc at putosiko.hut.fi Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp-1.hut.fi id j4AI2Ld3015589 Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Default action (give just a warning?) of non-defined variables X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Heikki.Junes@hut.fi List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:05:48 -0000 On Mon, 09 May 2005 09:02:44 -0700 Graham Percival wro= te: > I don't understand what you're trying to do. Are you just trying to > create individual parts? If so, you should look at > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/An-=20 > orchestral-part.html >=20 > Cheers, > - Graham To use a template for a choral song. The \layout, \book, or whatever, kee= ps untouched, but sometimes there are only one, sometimes five stanza, there= fore I am only interested to type \include "myfinnishpreamble.ily" \header {=20 title =3D "my song" ... } global=3D... sopranoMusic=3D... sopranoWords=3D... altoMusic=3D... altoWords=3D... tenorMusic=3D... tenorWords=3D... bassMusic=3D... Words=3D... \include "mySATBchoral_layout.ily" \include "mySATBchoral_midi.ily" Then everything would be laid out according to "mySATBchoral.ily". But, if I have several stanza, and I want to have them between the voices= , I have to use something like altoWordsA=3D altoWordsB=3D altoWordsC=3D altoWordsD=3D Which mixes my template, since if they are not used, I have to set them explicitly to=20 altoWordsA=3D{} altoWordsB=3D{} altoWordsC=3D{} altoWordsD=3D{} Ok, I found the solution .. I may always redefine the variables. If I pla= ce the zero definitions to the preamble file, then I always may redefine them. I= will have definitions for very many stanza and words and, but since only non-z= ero staffs are typeset (=E0 la remove-empty-staff) the zero-definitions do no= t matter. Yes, it is always inspiring to describe a problem, since the solution may= be found during explaining the problem. --=20 Terveisin Heikki Junes From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 10 17:28:27 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVcHB-00054S-2s for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 17:28:25 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVcGz-0004yZ-TB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 17:28:13 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVcGx-0004xI-5i for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 17:28:11 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVcGw-0004wK-V2 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 17:28:10 -0400 Received: from [130.233.228.91] (helo=smtp-1.hut.fi) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DVcLE-0006qx-FZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 17:32:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (katosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.115]) by smtp-1.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4ALQ6d3021918 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:26:06 +0300 Received: from smtp-1.hut.fi ([130.233.228.91]) by localhost (katosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.115]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21282-60 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:26:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: from maldini.hut.fi (maldini-m.hut.fi [130.233.228.122]) by smtp-1.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4ALPxFL021891 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:25:59 +0300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by maldini.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.6/Submit) id j4ALPx1r026480 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:25:59 +0300 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: <1115760358.428126e6e40f6@webmail2.hut.fi> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 00:25:58 +0300 (EEST) From: Heikki Johannes Junes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: HUT webmail, IMP 2.2.6 X-Authenticated-Sender: hjunes@cc.hut.fi X-Originating-IP: 81.17.197.24 X-TKK-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.1.2-hutcc at katosiko.hut.fi Subject: whatis lilypond -H ? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Heikki.Junes@hut.fi List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:28:20 -0000 What does option `lilypond -H' do? I shortly examined the source and googled about it, but cannot figure out what does it mean. Is there any better documentation than lilypond -h ... -H, --header=FIELD write header field to BASENAME.FIELD ... What is this BASENAME, FIELD could probably be `title', but there is no effect when I tried to use this. What is this supposed to do? -- Terveisin Heikki Junes From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 00:08:22 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DViWD-0001xz-Pd for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:08:21 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DViRl-0000iV-OT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:03:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DViRa-0000dS-Dv for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:03:34 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DViRW-0000WD-Cx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:03:30 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DViF9-0006LM-LJ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 23:50:43 -0400 Received: from pd2mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr6so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.9]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGB009LQ3PL4F00@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 21:44:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml3so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.147]) by pd2mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGB00ADA3PLPQF0@pd2mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 21:44:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGB0025S3PKN8@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 21:44:09 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 20:44:07 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: To: Stephen Message-id: <07735cfef6acdaa32005ee076dfba39a@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <8d78c5a2aa691213262250dfcd2cb559@shaw.ca> Cc: lilypond devel Subject: markup{} vs TextScript X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 04:08:20 -0000 On 10-May-05, at 10:16 AM, Stephen wrote: > Thinking about it even more, I realise that having a link to > TextScript in the programming reference somewhere under 7.4 Text > markup instead of just under 5.7.5 Text scripts to make up for the > confusion in terminology that Text script and Text markup are two > terms that basically describe the same thing. Thanks, this is a useful report. Fixed in CVS. I can (and will) certainly update the docs to reflect this, but would it be possible to standardize the lilypond internals? Could "TextScript" be renamed to "TextMarkup" and "TextScriptEvent" be renamed to "TextMarkupEvent" ? I think that's a better solution than renaming \markup{} to \script{}. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 00:40:40 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVj1U-0001eB-Kc for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:40:40 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVj1R-0001bb-E0 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:40:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVj1P-0001Ya-Ps for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:40:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVj1O-0001SR-3e for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:40:34 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVizx-0006qp-0Z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:39:05 -0400 Received: from pd3mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr6so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.21]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGB0000Z5XOS3E0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 22:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml3so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.147]) by pd3mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGB00DS45XNRN10@pd3mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 22:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGB00A0R5XNHU@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2005 22:32:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:32:10 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: <101238e5997358079c7c65d1a83b0314@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Doc help: \markup{} vs \mark X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 04:40:38 -0000 What's the actual difference between \markup and \mark? Historically, \mark was used for rehearsal marks, and the docs reflect that. These days, however, \mark is used for things like fermatas on bar lines, "DS. al Fine" right-aligned at the end of a piece, etc. Is the "definition" of a \mark simply that it is a grob that's placed shortly before the next note, on a barline if possible ? experimentation suggests that; is there anything more to know about \mark ? \relative c'' { c4 \mark \default c2 \mark \default c4 \mark \default c1 \mark \default } (Mats: I sent this to -devel instead of -user, so I'd appreciate your help. :) Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 01:35:36 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVjsd-0001QF-Oe for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 01:35:36 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVjsc-0001Pf-DN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 01:35:34 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVjsc-0001PR-2x for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 01:35:34 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVjrh-000159-52 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 01:34:37 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.118] (helo=BAY0-SMTP11.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVjbU-0005gk-1Y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 01:17:52 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.175.54] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.175.54]) by BAY0-SMTP11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 10 May 2005 22:11:17 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c555e7$dc1a13b0$36af0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Graham Percival" , "lily-devel" References: <101238e5997358079c7c65d1a83b0314@shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 00:11:14 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2005 05:11:18.0185 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCE6D990:01C555E7] Cc: Subject: Re: Doc help: \markup{} vs \mark X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 05:35:34 -0000 \mark has evolved into a way to put text over a barline, but you cannot use \markup to put text over a barline, only over a note. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Percival" To: "lily-devel" Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:32 PM Subject: Doc help: \markup{} vs \mark > What's the actual difference between \markup and \mark? > > Historically, \mark was used for rehearsal marks, and the docs reflect > that. These days, however, \mark is used for things like fermatas on > bar lines, "DS. al Fine" right-aligned at the end of a piece, etc. > > Is the "definition" of a \mark simply that it is a grob that's placed > shortly > before the next note, on a barline if possible ? experimentation > suggests that; is there anything more to know about \mark ? > > \relative c'' { > c4 \mark \default > c2 \mark \default > c4 \mark \default > c1 \mark \default > } > > (Mats: I sent this to -devel instead of -user, so I'd appreciate your > help. :) > > Cheers, > - Graham > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 01:38:04 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVjv1-0002Ps-Dh for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 01:38:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVjuy-0002N7-3P for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 01:38:00 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVjuw-0002Lo-9L for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 01:37:59 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVjri-00010D-E9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 01:34:38 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.118] (helo=BAY0-SMTP11.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVjZn-0005Ds-0w for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 01:16:07 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.175.54] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.175.54]) by BAY0-SMTP11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 10 May 2005 22:08:30 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c555e7$78a2f900$36af0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Graham Percival" References: <8d78c5a2aa691213262250dfcd2cb559@shaw.ca> <07735cfef6acdaa32005ee076dfba39a@shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 00:05:43 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2005 05:08:31.0305 (UTC) FILETIME=[796EFB90:01C555E7] Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: markup{} vs TextScript X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 05:38:00 -0000 That is a hard one because they are both accurate terms in their own right, but they stem from different sources or contexts. I think maybe markup is a false analogy and textscript is a bit more literal. Still, I am no expert and I suspect both terms are equally accurate and descriptive, which is my criterion for choosing names. The important thing is making it clear that changing TextScript properties will affect anything created with \markup. Which just adding the link would do. Changing \markup to \text or \textscript might make things more clear in most contexts, but I am not sure. Anyway, that is the way I would go with it. As I see it the issue is is there a difference between text and markup text or is it all just text? I suspect it is all just text and the term 'markup is unnecessary. The first sentence in 5.7.5 Text scripts is: It is possible to place arbitrary strings of text or markup text (see Text markup) above or below notes by using a string c^"text". 'text or markup text'? If there is any distiction between these two things, I am all for keeping both terms, otherwise I think 'markup' could easily be dropped. That is the kind of sentence that I keep in the back of my brain, until I figure out whether there really is a distiction between the two and what it is. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Percival" To: "Stephen" Cc: "lilypond devel" Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:44 PM Subject: markup{} vs TextScript > > On 10-May-05, at 10:16 AM, Stephen wrote: > >> Thinking about it even more, I realise that having a link to TextScript >> in the programming reference somewhere under 7.4 Text markup instead of >> just under 5.7.5 Text scripts to make up for the confusion in terminology >> that Text script and Text markup are two terms that basically describe >> the same thing. > > Thanks, this is a useful report. Fixed in CVS. > > I can (and will) certainly update the docs to reflect this, but would it > be possible > to standardize the lilypond internals? Could "TextScript" be renamed to > "TextMarkup" and "TextScriptEvent" be renamed to "TextMarkupEvent" ? > I think that's a better solution than renaming \markup{} to \script{}. > > Cheers, > - Graham > From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 05:06:24 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVn4H-00056T-Lq for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 04:59:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVn3z-00053L-V3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 04:59:34 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVn3w-00052e-9t for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 04:59:29 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVn3r-000503-Vb for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 04:59:24 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVn8q-0007mB-Tt for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 05:04:33 -0400 Received: from pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr7so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.23]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGB00HW1I8KH2LH@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 02:57:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml3so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.147]) by pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGB00LK6I8KROJ0@pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 02:57:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGB006V0I8KJW@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 02:57:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 01:57:55 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Matthias Neeracher Subject: make web (documents) on OSX X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:59:38 -0000 I can now make the docs on OSX! I won't be breaking CVS every time I make a large commit now. :) OSX ulimit -n is set to to 256 by default. A while ago, I increased that to 512 to allow lilypond to build. I'm not certain if this is still necessary, and I'd completely forgotten about that line in my ~/.profile I tried setting it to 2048 and the docs built successfully. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 05:57:57 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVnyW-0002Dw-0L for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 05:57:56 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVnyP-0002Be-T9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 05:57:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVnyL-00029w-II for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 05:57:46 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVnyJ-00020W-OL for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 05:57:44 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVnr2-0000JI-Cu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 05:50:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF4F61A97; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:43:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 08249-06; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:43:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BD561A9A; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:43:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A5661A97; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:43:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4281D3C6.9070102@s3.kth.se> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:43:34 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <8d78c5a2aa691213262250dfcd2cb559@shaw.ca> <07735cfef6acdaa32005ee076dfba39a@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <07735cfef6acdaa32005ee076dfba39a@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: markup{} vs TextScript X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:57:51 -0000 Related to the answer on \mark versus \markup that I just sent, I don't fully agree on the change below, since \markup can be used in several different contexts, not just for text scripts. Examples \header{ title = \markup{...} } \property Staff.instrument = \markup{...} \lyricsmode{ Here is a flat sym -- bol: \markup{\flat } } \mark \markup{...} c4^\markup{...} /Mats Graham Percival wrote: > > On 10-May-05, at 10:16 AM, Stephen wrote: > >> Thinking about it even more, I realise that having a link to >> TextScript in the programming reference somewhere under 7.4 Text >> markup instead of just under 5.7.5 Text scripts to make up for the >> confusion in terminology that Text script and Text markup are two >> terms that basically describe the same thing. > > > Thanks, this is a useful report. Fixed in CVS. > > I can (and will) certainly update the docs to reflect this, but would it > be possible > to standardize the lilypond internals? Could "TextScript" be renamed to > "TextMarkup" and "TextScriptEvent" be renamed to "TextMarkupEvent" ? > I think that's a better solution than renaming \markup{} to \script{}. > > Cheers, > - Graham > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 05:58:05 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVnye-0002GW-HL for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 05:58:05 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVnyb-0002Fr-NN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 05:58:02 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVnyY-0002Ep-NV for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 05:57:59 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVnyY-00020W-CI for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 05:57:58 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVnkI-0007UR-PU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 05:43:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45BB61A97; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:36:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 08137-04; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:36:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914FD61A9A; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:36:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D6561A97; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:36:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4281D225.1050409@s3.kth.se> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:36:37 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen References: <101238e5997358079c7c65d1a83b0314@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: Doc help: \markup{} vs \mark X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:58:03 -0000 Stephen wrote: > \mark has evolved into a way to put text over a barline, but you cannot > use \markup to put text over a barline, only over a note. Wrong! \markup can be used more or less everywhere where you can use a text string, in order to get more freedom to change fonts, or typeset more or less whatever you want. For example, you can use \mark \markup{ \large "DS. al Fine" } So, two completely different concepts are involved here: - Text scripts versus rehearsal marks: A text script is typeset using c4-"string" or c4-\markup{...} and is placed above the specified note. "Rehearsal marks" on the other hand are typeset using \mark "string" or \mark \markup{...}. If you specify the \mark command at a bar line, the resulting mark is placed above the bar line, if you specify it in the middle of a bar, the resulting mark is positioned between notes. Finally, if it's specified before the first note if a score (or in general at the beginning of a score line), then it's placed before the first note of the line. To summarize, use text scripts to place things above a note, use \mark to place things between notes, above bar lines or before the first note of a score line. Another main difference is that \mark is only typeset above the top stave of the score, whereas text scripts are typeset for each stave. So, this makes \mark useful for rehearsal marks, tempo indications, fermatas, Da capo, segnos, Fine and so on. A tricky detail about \mark is that if it appears at a line break, then it's typeset at the beginning of the next line instead of over the last bar line of the previous line unless you fiddle with the break-visibility. Of course, the default makes perfect sense as long as you use \mark for rehearsal marks. - Simple text strings typeset using the default font versus text markups, i.e. "string" versus \markup{\italic \large string }. /Mats > > Stephen > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Percival" > To: "lily-devel" > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:32 PM > Subject: Doc help: \markup{} vs \mark > > >> What's the actual difference between \markup and \mark? >> >> Historically, \mark was used for rehearsal marks, and the docs reflect >> that. These days, however, \mark is used for things like fermatas on >> bar lines, "DS. al Fine" right-aligned at the end of a piece, etc. >> >> Is the "definition" of a \mark simply that it is a grob that's placed >> shortly >> before the next note, on a barline if possible ? experimentation >> suggests that; is there anything more to know about \mark ? >> >> \relative c'' { >> c4 \mark \default >> c2 \mark \default >> c4 \mark \default >> c1 \mark \default >> } >> >> (Mats: I sent this to -devel instead of -user, so I'd appreciate your >> help. :) >> >> Cheers, >> - Graham >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lilypond-devel mailing list >> lilypond-devel@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 06:48:40 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVolb-0001xJ-Ol for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:48:39 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVolX-0001v8-MT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:48:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVolT-0001tO-5L for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:48:32 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVolS-0001sr-Ma for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:48:30 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVopG-0002s2-5e for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:52:26 -0400 Received: from pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.214]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGB0072PN7UI380@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 04:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml3so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.147]) by pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGB00CUAN7UDSM0@pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 04:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGB00F3SN7UBC@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 04:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 03:45:27 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <4281D3C6.9070102@s3.kth.se> To: Mats Bengtsson Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <8d78c5a2aa691213262250dfcd2cb559@shaw.ca> <07735cfef6acdaa32005ee076dfba39a@shaw.ca> <4281D3C6.9070102@s3.kth.se> Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: markup{} vs TextScript X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:48:37 -0000 On 11-May-05, at 2:43 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > Related to the answer on \mark versus \markup that I just sent, > I don't fully agree on the change below, since \markup can be > used in several different contexts, not just for text scripts. I'd forgotten about that. Thanks for the other email, Mats. I now know enough to update the docs to reflect this. :) Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 06:59:07 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVovh-0003Ek-Md for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:59:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVovc-0003CX-PN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:59:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVovW-0003BP-Jb for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:58:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVovV-0003A0-Tn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:58:54 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.21] (helo=smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVow2-0004La-VR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:59:27 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4BAqoRg051500; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:52:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4281E46F.7080704@xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:54:39 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: ETA of 2.6.0 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:59:02 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > Over the past few days, I've been updating some old scores of mine, and > I've discovered many flaws in the docs. I've got time to do another > overhaul > of the docs (this time focusing on @ref and @cindex ), but I shouldn't be > doing this right before 2.6 comes out. > > If 2.6 is at least a week away, I'll do the major doc stuff over the > next few days; > if 2.6 will be sooner than that, I'll wait until it's released and add > stuff for > 2.6.1. No worries. At the moment, the following are still problems - spurious programming errors from Slur and dynamic spanner - MacOS X fontconfig troubles - TTFs get translated to bitmap fonts by ps2pdf - AUTHORS, THANKS and ChangeLog need to be cleaned up and corroborated with each other. then we have to figure out a PR stuff (announcements, maybe press releases.. ) -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 07:05:24 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVp1h-0004HN-0b for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 07:05:17 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVp1Y-0004G0-NT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 07:05:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVp1X-0004FN-1o for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 07:05:07 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVp1W-0004Ev-CJ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 07:05:06 -0400 Received: from [130.233.228.94] (helo=smtp-4.hut.fi) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DVp6W-0006ZV-7O for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 07:10:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (katosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.115]) by smtp-4.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4BB3ct6031031; Wed, 11 May 2005 14:03:38 +0300 Received: from smtp-4.hut.fi ([130.233.228.94]) by localhost (katosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.115]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22062-24-4; Wed, 11 May 2005 14:03:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from baresi.hut.fi (baresi-m.hut.fi [130.233.228.121]) by smtp-4.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4BB2aJ3030841; Wed, 11 May 2005 14:02:36 +0300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by baresi.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.6/Submit) id j4BB2a8w025300; Wed, 11 May 2005 14:02:36 +0300 To: Han-Wen Nienhuys Message-ID: <1115809356.4281e64ca8bb6@webmail1.hut.fi> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 14:02:36 +0300 (EEST) From: Heikki Johannes Junes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: HUT webmail, IMP 2.2.6 X-Authenticated-Sender: hjunes@cc.hut.fi X-Originating-IP: 130.233.172.74 X-TKK-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.1.2-hutcc at katosiko.hut.fi Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: whatis lilypond -H ? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Heikki.Junes@hut.fi List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:05:11 -0000 On Wed, 11 May 2005 00:55:58 +0200 Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Heikki Johannes Junes wrote: > > What does option `lilypond -H' do? I shortly examined the source and > googled > > about it, but cannot figure out what does it mean. > > > > Is there any better documentation than > > > > lilypond -h > > ... > > -H, --header=FIELD write header field to BASENAME.FIELD > > ... > > > > What is this BASENAME, FIELD could probably be `title', but there is > no effect > > when I tried to use this. What is this supposed to do? > > > > it dumps a \header field to a file. It's still used for processing the > texidoc the field in .ly files. Ok, it is a nice feature. I did not know how to translate it, and tried to figure out what it does. This feature did not work in 2.4.5 (debian-sid), but works in CVS. -- Terveisin Heikki Junes From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 07:30:28 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVpQ1-0004T7-4h for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 07:30:25 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVpPu-0004S9-6l for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 07:30:18 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVpPt-0004RK-AO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 07:30:17 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVpMZ-0003V8-5U for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 07:26:51 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.23] (helo=smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVp90-0007IR-Ae for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 07:12:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4BB6DDZ064100; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:06:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4281E791.5000407@xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:08:01 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <101238e5997358079c7c65d1a83b0314@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <101238e5997358079c7c65d1a83b0314@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Doc help: \markup{} vs \mark X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:30:19 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > What's the actual difference between \markup and \mark? \markup is a text formatting command. See it as a "mini LaTeX". \mark puts stuff on bar-lines. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 08:41:06 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVqWN-0007wf-E7 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 08:41:04 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVqWC-0007qg-Hj for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 08:40:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVqW8-0007ng-1F for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 08:40:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVqW7-0007l5-JF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 08:40:47 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd2mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVqYz-0007TG-La for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 08:43:46 -0400 Received: from pd3mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.179]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGB00FSXSDEZ030@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml3so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.147]) by pd3mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGB003HMSDEA820@pd3mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGB00E2WSDE6M@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 06:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 05:36:49 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <16800.34875.866575.89575@byrd.xs4all.nl> To: Han-Wen Nienhuys Message-id: <2c12b9f6fc8b3a4277c04cc54035acb1@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <87brf9emm1.fsf@peder.flower> <01c4afcf$Blat.v2.2.2$5067fda0@zahav.net.il> <16762.58182.203121.51003@byrd.xs4all.nl> <32DAFFEC-3AC4-11D9-BFF3-000A95DABD74@shaw.ca> <16800.34875.866575.89575@byrd.xs4all.nl> Cc: lily-devel Subject: cindex, findex, vindex, fooindex X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:40:56 -0000 On 21-Nov-04, at 4:21 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > @cindex should change in @findex @vindex etc. depending on what is > indexed. The command @syncodeindex is given once, to merge the > indices. (seealso lilypond.tely) A long time ago, we discussed having different kinds of indexes. Or at least the possibility of different indexes, which would normally be merged into one (via syncodeindex). At the time, I was busy doing smaller, easier-to-understand doc stuff, so this got lost in the shuffle. But now I'm ready to re-index the manual, if this is desirable. lilypond.tely contains these lines, @syncodeindex fn cp @syncodeindex ky cp @syncodeindex pg cp @syncodeindex tp cp @syncodeindex vr cp but they don't mean anything to me. Should I stop using @cindex for everything? If so, what do I use instead? Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 09:31:21 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVrIq-0001cA-QH for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 09:31:09 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVrIi-0001Wu-JA for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 09:31:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVrIc-0001Tk-Qq for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 09:30:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVrIa-00019k-D4 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 09:30:52 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVr7q-0005VO-B8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 09:19:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BD161A97; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:13:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 12907-02; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:13:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0617661A9A; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:13:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E831A61A97; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:13:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:13:06 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival , lilypond devel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:31:05 -0000 Hi, At the bottom of most sections of the manual, there are some links to the program reference. However, the links to music expressions like "ArpeggioEvent", layout objects like "Arpeggio" and a few (but far from all) engravers like "Accidental_engraver" are all mixed together. Personally, I have never used the program reference of any music expression, whereas those for the layout objects and engravers are much more useful, at least if you want to modify some properties. I guess I would find the music expressions more useful if I had written fancy Scheme hacks. This is a pedagogical problem. I don't know how many times I have answered on the mailing list and instructed people to follow the link at the bottom of the page, but how should then know which one to follow? I know from experience that I should look for something that isn't called "*Event" Can't these links be organized better so it's clearer what is what to make it easier to find the useful information. I can think of many possible conventions, such as explicitly specifying Layout object: Arpeggio Music expression: ArpeggioEvent Engraver: Arpeggio_engraver I'm not sure what convention is the best and maybe it doesn't matter that much as long as the information in the section "Navigating the program reference" describes the system used. Maybe one alternative is to skip the links to the music expressions (*Event) all together since they can be found by navigating Arpeggio -> Arpeggio_engraver -> arpeggio-event. This would also reduce the number of links that have to be kept up to date manually in the manual. /Mats -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 11:36:03 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVtFi-0002T0-Ev for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:36:02 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVtFd-0002Po-VB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:35:58 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVtFY-0002Mp-4N for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:35:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVtFX-0002KB-9l for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:35:51 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.113] (helo=BAY0-SMTP06.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVtGo-0004uO-8K for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:37:10 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.178.83] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.178.83]) by BAY0-SMTP06.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 11 May 2005 08:30:28 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c5563e$5b974ad0$53b20443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Mats Bengtsson" References: <101238e5997358079c7c65d1a83b0314@shaw.ca> <4281D225.1050409@s3.kth.se> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:30:24 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2005 15:30:29.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CA55F70:01C5563E] Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: Doc help: \markup{} vs \mark X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:35:59 -0000 I got confused by associating this with the markup vs. TextScript thread. thinking he was asking which one we still need, which is both of course because they do different things. Obviously, Graham Percival is just suggesting that we should document that \mark has been expanded to accept text strings generally; not just rehearsal marks anymore. And I agree that the tricks you are describing in this thread and others, Mats, should be added to the documentation. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Bengtsson" To: "Stephen" Cc: "Graham Percival" ; "lily-devel" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:36 AM Subject: Re: Doc help: \markup{} vs \mark > > > Stephen wrote: >> \mark has evolved into a way to put text over a barline, but you cannot >> use \markup to put text over a barline, only over a note. > > Wrong! \markup can be used more or less everywhere where you can use > a text string, in order to get more freedom to change fonts, or typeset > more or less whatever you want. For example, you can use > \mark \markup{ \large "DS. al Fine" } > > So, two completely different concepts are involved here: > > - Text scripts versus rehearsal marks: A text script is typeset using > c4-"string" or c4-\markup{...} and is placed above the specified note. > "Rehearsal marks" on the other hand are typeset using \mark "string" > or \mark \markup{...}. If you specify the \mark command at a bar > line, the resulting mark is placed above the bar line, if you specify > it in the middle of a bar, the resulting mark is positioned between > notes. Finally, if it's specified before the first note if a score > (or in general at the beginning of a score line), then it's placed > before the first note of the line. > > To summarize, use text scripts to place things above a note, > use \mark to place things between notes, above bar lines or before > the first note of a score line. > Another main difference is that \mark is only typeset above the > top stave of the score, whereas text scripts are typeset for each > stave. So, this makes \mark useful for rehearsal marks, tempo > indications, fermatas, Da capo, segnos, Fine and so on. > A tricky detail about \mark is that if it appears at a line break, > then it's typeset at the beginning of the next line instead of over > the last bar line of the previous line unless you fiddle with the > break-visibility. Of course, the default makes perfect sense as long > as you use \mark for rehearsal marks. > > - Simple text strings typeset using the default font versus text > markups, i.e. "string" versus \markup{\italic \large string }. > > /Mats > >> >> Stephen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Percival" >> To: "lily-devel" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:32 PM >> Subject: Doc help: \markup{} vs \mark >> >> >>> What's the actual difference between \markup and \mark? >>> >>> Historically, \mark was used for rehearsal marks, and the docs reflect >>> that. These days, however, \mark is used for things like fermatas on >>> bar lines, "DS. al Fine" right-aligned at the end of a piece, etc. >>> >>> Is the "definition" of a \mark simply that it is a grob that's placed >>> shortly >>> before the next note, on a barline if possible ? experimentation >>> suggests that; is there anything more to know about \mark ? >>> >>> \relative c'' { >>> c4 \mark \default >>> c2 \mark \default >>> c4 \mark \default >>> c1 \mark \default >>> } >>> >>> (Mats: I sent this to -devel instead of -user, so I'd appreciate your >>> help. :) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> - Graham >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> lilypond-devel mailing list >>> lilypond-devel@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lilypond-devel mailing list >> lilypond-devel@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > > -- > ============================================= > Mats Bengtsson > Signal Processing > Signals, Sensors and Systems > Royal Institute of Technology > SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM > Sweden > Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 > Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se > WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe > ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 11:36:05 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVtFj-0002TY-AJ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:36:04 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVtFd-0002Q0-Vh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:35:58 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVtFb-0002Ni-No for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:35:56 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVtFY-0002KB-OX for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:35:53 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.118] (helo=BAY0-SMTP11.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVtGX-0004r7-Ag for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:36:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.178.83] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.178.83]) by BAY0-SMTP11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 11 May 2005 08:30:10 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c5563e$510ec250$53b20443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Mats Bengtsson" , "Graham Percival" References: <8d78c5a2aa691213262250dfcd2cb559@shaw.ca> <07735cfef6acdaa32005ee076dfba39a@shaw.ca> <4281D3C6.9070102@s3.kth.se> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:30:03 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2005 15:30:11.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[521DC150:01C5563E] Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: markup{} vs TextScript X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:35:59 -0000 Well, I am really just asking whether markup is more than a text script or not. If it would cause less confusion to regularize the terminology than it would to not change it, then it would be a good thing, but I aggree that that would be unlikely. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Bengtsson" To: "Graham Percival" Cc: "Stephen" ; "lilypond devel" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:43 AM Subject: Re: markup{} vs TextScript > Related to the answer on \mark versus \markup that I just sent, > I don't fully agree on the change below, since \markup can be > used in several different contexts, not just for text scripts. > Examples > \header{ title = \markup{...} } > > \property Staff.instrument = \markup{...} > > \lyricsmode{ Here is a flat sym -- bol: \markup{\flat } } > > \mark \markup{...} > > c4^\markup{...} > > /Mats > > > Graham Percival wrote: >> >> On 10-May-05, at 10:16 AM, Stephen wrote: >> >>> Thinking about it even more, I realise that having a link to TextScript >>> in the programming reference somewhere under 7.4 Text markup instead of >>> just under 5.7.5 Text scripts to make up for the confusion in >>> terminology that Text script and Text markup are two terms that >>> basically describe the same thing. >> >> >> Thanks, this is a useful report. Fixed in CVS. >> >> I can (and will) certainly update the docs to reflect this, but would it >> be possible >> to standardize the lilypond internals? Could "TextScript" be renamed to >> "TextMarkup" and "TextScriptEvent" be renamed to "TextMarkupEvent" ? >> I think that's a better solution than renaming \markup{} to \script{}. >> >> Cheers, >> - Graham >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lilypond-devel mailing list >> lilypond-devel@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > > -- > ============================================= > Mats Bengtsson > Signal Processing > Signals, Sensors and Systems > Royal Institute of Technology > SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM > Sweden > Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 > Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se > WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe > ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 13:58:23 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVvTT-0003xE-1K for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:58:23 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVvTR-0003wE-3n for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:58:21 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVvTN-0003vO-Ts for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:58:20 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVvTN-0003sw-4K for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:58:17 -0400 Received: from [194.120.234.254] (helo=oker.escape.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DVvXH-0001rT-It for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 14:02:19 -0400 Received: from oker.escape.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (envelope-sender: kili@outback.escape.de) by oker.escape.de (8.12.11/8.12.11/$Revision: 1.46 $) with ESMTP id j4BHtau8014800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 May 2005 19:55:36 +0200 Received: from outback.escape.de (uucp@localhost) by oker.escape.de (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-5) with UUCP-outback id j4BHtZis014794; Wed, 11 May 2005 19:55:35 +0200 Received: from petunia.outback.escape.de (kili@localhost.outback.escape.de [127.0.0.1]) by petunia.outback.escape.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j4BHp5R1024570; Wed, 11 May 2005 19:51:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from kili@localhost) by petunia.outback.escape.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j4BHp56L021349; Wed, 11 May 2005 19:51:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:51:05 +0200 From: Matthias Kilian To: Graham Percival Message-ID: <20050511175105.GA32675@petunia.outback.escape.de> Mail-Followup-To: Graham Percival , lily-devel , Matthias Neeracher References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i Cc: Matthias Neeracher , lily-devel Subject: Re: make web (documents) on OSX X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:58:21 -0000 On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 01:57:55AM -0700, Graham Percival wrote: > OSX ulimit -n is set to to 256 by default. A while ago, I increased > that > to 512 to allow lilypond to build. I'm not certain if this is still > necessary, > and I'd completely forgotten about that line in my ~/.profile > I tried setting it to 2048 and the docs built successfully. If it's makeinfo that's bailing out, tuning the limits is the wrong solution to the right problem :-) There's a file descriptor leak in the official texinfo-4.8. Below's a patch for it (and some other bugs). Note that there are more small indexing bugs; I allready sent all my patches to Karl Berry. Ciao, Kili --- makeinfo/html.c.orig Mon Dec 6 02:13:06 2004 +++ makeinfo/html.c Tue Apr 5 17:17:15 2005 @@ -167,6 +167,8 @@ process_css_file (char *filename) lastchar = c; } + fclose(f); + /* Reached the end of the file. We should not be still in a comment. */ if (state == comment_state) warning (_("%s:%d: --css-file ended in comment"), filename, lineno); @@ -437,7 +439,9 @@ rollback_empty_tag (char *tag) int check_position = output_paragraph_offset; int taglen = strlen (tag); int rollback_happened = 0; - char *contents = ""; + char *contents = ""; /* FIXME (ptr to constant, later + assigned to malloc'd address). + */ char *contents_canon_white = ""; /* If output_paragraph is empty, we cannot rollback :-\ */ @@ -445,7 +449,7 @@ rollback_empty_tag (char *tag) return 0; /* Find the end of the previous tag. */ - while (output_paragraph[check_position-1] != '>' && check_position > 0) + while (check_position > 0 && output_paragraph[check_position-1] != '>') check_position--; /* Save stuff between tag's end to output_paragraph's end. */ @@ -462,7 +466,7 @@ rollback_empty_tag (char *tag) } /* Find the start of the previous tag. */ - while (output_paragraph[check_position-1] != '<' && check_position > 0) + while (check_position > 0 && output_paragraph[check_position-1] != '<') check_position--; /* Check to see if this is the tag. */ From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 15:18:47 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVwjH-00056p-In for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:18:47 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVmsD-0004XX-27 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 04:47:24 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVmrU-0004W5-CW for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 04:46:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVmrH-0004Vg-17 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 04:46:26 -0400 Received: from [131.111.8.139] (helo=ppsw-9.csi.cam.ac.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVmt1-0004e9-RR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 04:48:11 -0400 X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from c16.al.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.110.66]:55714 helo=beethoven) by ppsw-9.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.139]:25) with esmtp id 1DVmmX-0002jn-Tj (Exim 4.51) for lilypond-devel@gnu.org (return-path ); Wed, 11 May 2005 09:41:29 +0100 Received: from ssb22 by beethoven with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DVmmU-0000ze-00; Wed, 11 May 2005 09:41:26 +0100 From: "Silas S. Brown" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17025.50486.469229.825709@beethoven.homeunix.net> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:41:26 +0100 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailer: VM 7.03 under 21.4 (patch 6) "Common Lisp" XEmacs Lucid X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:18:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Making lilypond MIDI output more expressive X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:52:33 -0000 Further to my previous message on the subject, I've now made a Python hack that adds pan and reverb to Director Musices' output. The pan and reverb settings are preset by patch (instrument) number, and should work fine for orchestral music, although there is room for improvement when dealing with single-instrument ensembles and piano music. It sounds good on my Yamaha SW60XG card. http://www.cus.cam.ac.uk/~ssb22/mwrhome/midi-add-depth.py From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 16:33:34 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVxta-0001Cy-3s for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 16:33:30 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVxtR-00017d-7F for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 16:33:21 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVxtK-00013z-DH for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 16:33:14 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVxtK-00013T-1U for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 16:33:14 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVxwZ-0006zp-MM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 16:36:35 -0400 Received: from pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr7so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.23]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGC00BQSE71UG70@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 14:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGC00AG7E71I630@pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 14:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGC00L2ME71K4@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 14:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:28:11 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: To: Stephen Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <101238e5997358079c7c65d1a83b0314@shaw.ca> <4281D225.1050409@s3.kth.se> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Doc help: \markup{} vs \mark X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 20:33:27 -0000 On 11-May-05, at 8:30 AM, Stephen wrote: > I got confused by associating this with the markup vs. TextScript > thread. thinking he was asking which one we still need, which is both > of course because they do different things. Obviously, Graham Percival > is just suggesting that we should document that \mark has been > expanded to accept text strings generally; not just rehearsal marks > anymore. > > And I agree that the tricks you are describing in this thread and > others, Mats, should be added to the documentation. That's what I'm doing. I'm the Documentation Editor, but that doesn't give me automatic knowledge about all the lilypond internals. When I ask a question labeled "Doc help", I'm asking for specific clarification about something so that I can fix the docs. - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 11 18:40:39 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DVzsd-000816-A2 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 18:40:39 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVzsb-00080a-AQ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 18:40:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVzsa-000803-J6 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 18:40:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVzsa-0007zY-9X for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 18:40:36 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.116] (helo=BAY0-SMTP09.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVzvf-00056N-00 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 18:43:47 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.182.197] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.182.197]) by BAY0-SMTP09.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 11 May 2005 15:37:01 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c55679$f25d9ce0$53b20443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Graham Percival" References: <101238e5997358079c7c65d1a83b0314@shaw.ca> <4281D225.1050409@s3.kth.se> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:36:58 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2005 22:37:02.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[F37B1AD0:01C55679] Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Doc help: \markup{} vs \mark X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 22:40:37 -0000 Yes, I know; I am just saying that the first time I responded to the thread, I misinterpreted your question and the second time I responded, Mats had already given the feedback/information/help you needed. Sorry. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Percival" To: "Stephen" Cc: "lily-devel" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Doc help: \markup{} vs \mark > > On 11-May-05, at 8:30 AM, Stephen wrote: > >> I got confused by associating this with the markup vs. TextScript thread. >> thinking he was asking which one we still need, which is both of course >> because they do different things. Obviously, Graham Percival is just >> suggesting that we should document that \mark has been expanded to accept >> text strings generally; not just rehearsal marks anymore. >> >> And I agree that the tricks you are describing in this thread and others, >> Mats, should be added to the documentation. > > That's what I'm doing. I'm the Documentation Editor, but that doesn't > give me > automatic knowledge about all the lilypond internals. When I ask a > question > labeled "Doc help", I'm asking for specific clarification about something > so > that I can fix the docs. > > - Graham > From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 12 03:03:46 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DW7jV-0007KR-BP for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:03:45 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DW7jR-0007Js-JM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:03:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DW7jP-0007Ic-Uy for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:03:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DW7jO-00079p-5d for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:03:38 -0400 Received: from [207.115.57.46] (helo=ylpvm15.prodigy.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DW7hY-0007aG-KU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:01:44 -0400 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4C6p9DE014889 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 02:51:09 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.125.89.186] Received: from [192.168.1.101] (adsl-66-125-89-186.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [66.125.89.186]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4C6stFr444122 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 02:54:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3302D09A-3139-4E28-8A85-9BAF304D2E8F@edbaskerville.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org From: Ed Baskerville Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 23:54:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Subject: Approve LilyPond Uniform Type Identifier? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:03:43 -0000 Hi all, I just wrote a simple Mac OS X Spotlight metadata importer for LilyPond (posted to the lilypond-user list). Mac OS X uses a new way of identifying file types--they call it the Uniform Type Identifier-- and I needed to pick one for LilyPond files. My question: can the core Lily developers officially bless the type "org.lilypond.lilypond-source" as the official UTI for LilyPond source files? Or pick a better one? For more info on UTIs, see: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Carbon/Conceptual/ understanding_utis/index.html Thanks, Ed From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 12 03:19:29 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DW7yg-0004qB-OE for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:19:27 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DW7ya-0004nD-0K for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:19:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DW7yW-0004kj-N8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:19:18 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DW7yV-0004i4-S9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:19:16 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DW82a-0003qE-A9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:23:28 -0400 Received: from pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.110]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGD00BA087RWSB0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 01:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml5so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.149]) by pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGD00K4K87R1EC0@pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 01:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGD0042T87RQP@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 01:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 00:16:33 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: <29349ae901240a93b02446fb78228352@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: default padding on TextSpanner X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:19:22 -0000 Currently TextSpanner has no #'padding set in scm/define-grobs.scm Could I set it to 0.8 ? This example demonstrates how close the edge-text comes to the staff lines; in the second line demonstrates the more pleasing look of padding 0.8 Cheers, - Graham \relative c'' { c2 \override TextSpanner #'edge-text = #'("X" . "") c4\startTextSpan c4\stopTextSpan \textSpannerDown a2 a4\startTextSpan a4\stopTextSpan \break \textSpannerUp \override TextSpanner #'padding = #0.8 c2 c4\startTextSpan c4\stopTextSpan \textSpannerDown a2 a4\startTextSpan a4\stopTextSpan } From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 12 03:37:21 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DW8Fx-0001nS-VQ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:37:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DW8Fq-0001kU-6B for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:37:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DW8Fl-0001jh-Pl for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:37:06 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DW8Fi-0001dF-I9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:37:03 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DW8Bn-0005mh-7z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:32:59 -0400 Received: from pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr8so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.11]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGD005W88MWRF90@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 01:25:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml5so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.149]) by pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGD00ISD8MWUMB0@pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 01:25:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGD00B3L8MV5L@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 01:25:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 00:25:38 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> To: Mats Bengtsson Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:37:13 -0000 On 11-May-05, at 6:13 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > This is a pedagogical problem. I don't know how many times I have > answered on the mailing list and instructed people to follow the > link at the bottom of the page, but how should then know which one > to follow? True. Besides, the fewer links there are, the more likely new users are to follow any of them. There _is_ such a thing as too many links*; I'll bear that in mind when I start adding more @ref. * or rather: there's such a thing as too many unknown links. If the links are self-explanatory (such as "a _Staff_ context contains _Voice_ contexts"), it's good to have many. > Maybe one alternative is to skip the links to the music expressions > (*Event) all together since they can be found by navigating > Arpeggio -> Arpeggio_engraver -> arpeggio-event. > This would also reduce the number of links that have to be > kept up to date manually in the manual. I favor this solution. Is this ok? Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 12 05:47:14 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWAHf-0000ob-JH for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:47:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWAHc-0000nq-Cf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:47:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWAHb-0000nD-5t for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:47:07 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWAHa-0000ln-L5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:47:06 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.23] (helo=smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWALm-0001dD-98 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:51:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4C9iXEP075127; Thu, 12 May 2005 11:44:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428325F0.4010802@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:46:24 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ed Baskerville References: <3302D09A-3139-4E28-8A85-9BAF304D2E8F@edbaskerville.com> In-Reply-To: <3302D09A-3139-4E28-8A85-9BAF304D2E8F@edbaskerville.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Approve LilyPond Uniform Type Identifier? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:47:09 -0000 Ed Baskerville wrote: > Hi all, > > I just wrote a simple Mac OS X Spotlight metadata importer for LilyPond > (posted to the lilypond-user list). Mac OS X uses a new way of > identifying file types--they call it the Uniform Type Identifier-- and I > needed to pick one for LilyPond files. > > My question: can the core Lily developers officially bless the type > "org.lilypond.lilypond-source" as the official UTI for LilyPond source > files? Or pick a better one? I would say org.lilypond.lilypond-input, but I'm not sure. Jan? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 12 05:48:31 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWAIw-00013d-92 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:48:30 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWAIs-00011z-CP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:48:26 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWAIr-00011N-Lv for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:48:25 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWAIr-00010s-Ap for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:48:25 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.28] (helo=smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWANz-0002Ej-G0 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:53:43 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4C9kp5v074640; Thu, 12 May 2005 11:46:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4283267A.8020000@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:48:42 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond devel , Mats Bengtsson Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:48:27 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > > On 11-May-05, at 6:13 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > >> This is a pedagogical problem. I don't know how many times I have >> answered on the mailing list and instructed people to follow the >> link at the bottom of the page, but how should then know which one >> to follow? > > > True. Besides, the fewer links there are, the more likely new users are > to follow any of them. There _is_ such a thing as too many links*; > I'll bear that in mind when I start adding more @ref. > > * or rather: there's such a thing as too many unknown links. If the links > are self-explanatory (such as "a _Staff_ context contains _Voice_ > contexts"), > it's good to have many. I'm not sure. Embedding links inside a text decreases its readability, I favor your other proposal, Music expression: ArpeggioEvent Engraver: Arpeggio_engraver Grob: Arpeggio -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 12 05:53:17 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWANZ-0001tv-4W for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:53:17 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWANS-0001tY-Rg for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:53:11 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWANP-0001tB-31 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:53:08 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWAI3-0000ln-Re for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:47:36 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.31] (helo=smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWAGb-0000SO-Kx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:46:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4C9dEM3096492; Thu, 12 May 2005 11:39:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428324B1.1000302@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:41:05 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <29349ae901240a93b02446fb78228352@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <29349ae901240a93b02446fb78228352@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: default padding on TextSpanner X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:53:14 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > Currently TextSpanner has no #'padding set in scm/define-grobs.scm > Could I set it to 0.8 ? I think the proper property to work with would be staff-padding. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 12 06:10:54 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWAea-0000oN-La for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 06:10:53 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWAeP-0000kR-UF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 06:10:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWAeN-0000hz-6z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 06:10:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWAaf-00080l-6K for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 06:06:49 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.29] (helo=smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWAPe-0002dF-D8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:55:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4C9maeb053570; Thu, 12 May 2005 11:48:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428326E2.2010409@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:50:26 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <87brf9emm1.fsf@peder.flower> <01c4afcf$Blat.v2.2.2$5067fda0@zahav.net.il> <16762.58182.203121.51003@byrd.xs4all.nl> <32DAFFEC-3AC4-11D9-BFF3-000A95DABD74@shaw.ca> <16800.34875.866575.89575@byrd.xs4all.nl> <2c12b9f6fc8b3a4277c04cc54035acb1@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <2c12b9f6fc8b3a4277c04cc54035acb1@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: cindex, findex, vindex, fooindex X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:10:43 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > > On 21-Nov-04, at 4:21 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > >> @cindex should change in @findex @vindex etc. depending on what is >> indexed. The command @syncodeindex is given once, to merge the >> indices. (seealso lilypond.tely) > > > A long time ago, we discussed having different kinds of indexes. Or > at least the possibility of different indexes, which would normally be > merged into one (via syncodeindex). At the time, I was busy doing > smaller, easier-to-understand doc stuff, so this got lost in the shuffle. > But now I'm ready to re-index the manual, if this is desirable. > > lilypond.tely contains these lines, > @syncodeindex fn cp > @syncodeindex ky cp > @syncodeindex pg cp > @syncodeindex tp cp > @syncodeindex vr cp > > but they don't mean anything to me. > > Should I stop using @cindex for everything? If so, what do I use > instead? have a look at the texinfo manual. @cindex is for concepts (cp), fn for functions (@findex), etc. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 12 07:25:36 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWBot-0003c9-Pp for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 07:25:36 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWBnP-0003CU-9s for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 07:24:03 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWBnI-00039k-Gs for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 07:23:58 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWBnH-0002za-0m for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 07:23:55 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.34] (helo=smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWBsQ-0005qW-ER for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 07:29:15 -0400 Received: from peder.flower (appel.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.178]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4CBMJb2093949; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:22:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janneke@gnu.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWBlj-0002iH-HS; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:22:19 +0200 To: Han-Wen Nienhuys References: <3302D09A-3139-4E28-8A85-9BAF304D2E8F@edbaskerville.com> <428325F0.4010802@xs4all.nl> From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: Jan at Appel Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:22:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: <428325F0.4010802@xs4all.nl> (Han-Wen Nienhuys's message of "Thu, 12 May 2005 11:46:24 +0200") Message-ID: <87ll6kzo2c.fsf@peder.flower> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Approve LilyPond Uniform Type Identifier? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:25:33 -0000 Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: >> "org.lilypond.lilypond-source" as the official UTI for LilyPond > > I would say org.lilypond.lilypond-input, but I'm not sure. Jan? On windows I have been using regtool set '/root/.ly/Content Type' 'text/lilypond-source' What's the difference between a mime typ and an UTI? There were once vague plans to get a mime type registered, we need that for Linux desktops anyway. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 12 07:47:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWCAC-0003ve-J9 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 07:47:36 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWCA6-0003tR-3g for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 07:47:30 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWCA0-0003rV-LV for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 07:47:24 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWCA0-0003mc-6v for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 07:47:24 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.29] (helo=smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWC5t-0000mO-7x; Thu, 12 May 2005 07:43:09 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4CBaE8h021440; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:36:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4283401D.40001@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:38:05 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen References: <3302D09A-3139-4E28-8A85-9BAF304D2E8F@edbaskerville.com> <428325F0.4010802@xs4all.nl> <87ll6kzo2c.fsf@peder.flower> In-Reply-To: <87ll6kzo2c.fsf@peder.flower> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Approve LilyPond Uniform Type Identifier? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:47:32 -0000 Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > > >>>"org.lilypond.lilypond-source" as the official UTI for LilyPond >> >>I would say org.lilypond.lilypond-input, but I'm not sure. Jan? > > > On windows I have been using > > regtool set '/root/.ly/Content Type' 'text/lilypond-source' > > What's the difference between a mime typ and an UTI? There were once I just glanced at the docs, but here are some differences - UTIs form a hierarchy, (so UTI public.html conforms to UTI public.text) - have space to link icons/descriptions/definition urls. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 12 09:34:48 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWDpw-0004rX-F3 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 09:34:48 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWDoo-0004Pq-Gm for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 09:33:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWDoc-0004Ku-Lx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 09:33:27 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWDoa-00048w-Rf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 09:33:25 -0400 Received: from [207.115.57.60] (helo=ylpvm29.prodigy.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWDkA-0003pS-NZ; Thu, 12 May 2005 09:28:50 -0400 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4CDLsIC013293; Thu, 12 May 2005 09:21:55 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.125.88.88] Received: from [192.168.1.101] (adsl-66-125-88-88.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [66.125.88.88]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4CDLrv9098316; Thu, 12 May 2005 09:21:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4283401D.40001@xs4all.nl> References: <3302D09A-3139-4E28-8A85-9BAF304D2E8F@edbaskerville.com> <428325F0.4010802@xs4all.nl> <87ll6kzo2c.fsf@peder.flower> <4283401D.40001@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <58475AB5-333A-4B46-96F8-C819039C29CD@edbaskerville.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Baskerville Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 06:21:51 -0700 To: Han-Wen Nienhuys X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Jan Nieuwenhuizen Subject: Re: Approve LilyPond Uniform Type Identifier? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:34:47 -0000 The spec also lets you map between UTIs and extensions, MIME types, old-style Mac OS type codes in the HFS metadata, etc. Also, because it's defined using reverse-DNS naming, you don't have to register it with anyone. Since Jan has been using text/lilypond-source for the MIME type, maybe org.lilypond.lilypond-source is better? (Also, it matches the "public.c-plus-plus-source", etc that Apple's defined for other languages). I should also mention that I marked it as inheriting from public.souce-code (which in turn inherits from public.plain-text, "text of unspecified encoding, with no markup"), which seemed reasonable. --Ed On May 12, 2005, at 4:38 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > >> Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: >> >>>> "org.lilypond.lilypond-source" as the official UTI for LilyPond >>>> >>> >>> I would say org.lilypond.lilypond-input, but I'm not sure. Jan? >>> >> On windows I have been using >> regtool set '/root/.ly/Content Type' 'text/lilypond-source' >> What's the difference between a mime typ and an UTI? There were once >> > > I just glanced at the docs, but here are some differences > > - UTIs form a hierarchy, (so UTI public.html conforms to UTI > public.text) > > - have space to link icons/descriptions/definition urls. > > -- > Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen > From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 12 14:16:31 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWIEZ-0004om-6D for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 14:16:31 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWIEU-0004nF-NI for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 14:16:26 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWIER-0004lP-KM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 14:16:23 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWIEQ-0004k8-NJ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 14:16:22 -0400 Received: from [217.12.11.34] (helo=smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWIHJ-0003mr-O3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 14:19:22 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) (gauvainpocentek@84.5.28.3 with login) by smtp003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2005 18:12:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:13:07 +0200 From: Gauvain Pocentek To: Jean-Charles & Isabelle Malahieude Message-Id: <20050512201307.13e02c10.gauvainpocentek@yahoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <427B59CB.3000207@wanadoo.fr> References: <427B59CB.3000207@wanadoo.fr> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: A french Website X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 18:16:28 -0000 On Fri, 06 May 2005 13:49:31 +0200 Jean-Charles & Isabelle Malahieude wrote: > Sorry to come so late on this topic, but lists were unreachable for more= =20 > than a week. >=20 > As a french user, I would be glad to contribute to this plan, either as=20 > translator or proof reader. The best thing, in my opinion, would be to=20 > translate one part, and on another hand making proof reading of another=20 > part that has been translated by someone else. >=20 > Jean-Charles >=20 R=E9ponse francophone : Comme je l'ai =E9crit dans un pr=E9c=E9dent mail, je pense m'attaquer =E0 l= a traduction courant juin. Si plusieurs personnes s'y collent, il faudra se mettre d'accord pour se pa= rtager le boulot ! LilyPond m=E9rite vraiment d'=EAtre accessible pour tous et pour toutes les= langues. Gauvain From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 13 05:31:12 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWWVi-0001Wo-My for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 05:31:10 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWWVe-0001VN-DV for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 05:31:06 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWWVY-0001Sf-Cn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 05:31:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWWVW-0001MC-OK for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 05:30:59 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWWWU-0000gZ-Ku for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 05:31:58 -0400 Received: from pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.108]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGF00H578QY7U00@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 03:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml2so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.146]) by pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGF009KR8QYI3K0@pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 03:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGF00L5G8QXTI@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 03:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 02:23:20 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <428324B1.1000302@xs4all.nl> To: Han-Wen Nienhuys Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <29349ae901240a93b02446fb78228352@shaw.ca> <428324B1.1000302@xs4all.nl> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: default padding on TextSpanner X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:31:08 -0000 On 12-May-05, at 2:41 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: >> Currently TextSpanner has no #'padding set in scm/define-grobs.scm >> Could I set it to 0.8 ? > > I think the proper property to work with would be staff-padding. Hey, that's a neat property! You learn something new every day. OK. Could I increase TextSpanner #'staff-padding from 0.1 to 0.8 in scm/define-grobs.scm ? Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 13 05:36:55 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWWbH-00032m-2X for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 05:36:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWWbF-000324-9h for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 05:36:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWWbD-00030u-Fw for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 05:36:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWWbD-00030o-7v for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 05:36:51 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWWfC-00031L-7T for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 05:40:58 -0400 Received: from pd3mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr5so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.12]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGF00MN498H9E60@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 03:33:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml2so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.146]) by pd3mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGF002SH98H0960@pd3mr5so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 03:33:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGF00KCX98HYJ@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 03:33:53 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 02:33:52 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> To: Han-Wen Nienhuys Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:36:53 -0000 On 12-May-05, at 2:40 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: >>> Maybe one alternative is to skip the links to the music expressions >>> (*Event) all together since they can be found by navigating >>> Arpeggio -> Arpeggio_engraver -> arpeggio-event. >>> This would also reduce the number of links that have to be >>> kept up to date manually in the manual. >> I favor this solution. Is this ok? > > I guess the Event types can be ditched if somewhere it is explained > clearly that you can do > > \displayMusic ... > > and see what's inside. What's this? How is \displayMusic supposed to work? > I'm not sure whether removing the Grob name is a good idea. Thoughts? No, I definitely won't remove Grob names. The main proposal here is that instead of having this: Arpeggios blah blah @seealso _ArpeggioEvent_, _Arpeggio_ we just have this: Arpeggios blah blah @seealso _Arpgeggio_ If a user wants to see the internals stuff, he clicks on _Arpeggio_. The very first line tells him that Arpeggio objects are created by Arpeggio_engraver and Span_arpeggio_engraver; following those links will get him to arpeggio-event. We don't need a link to arpeggio-event in the refman page about Arpeggios. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 13 07:31:29 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWYO8-0008My-54 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:31:28 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWYNw-0008I3-Ca for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:31:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWYNr-0008Ea-KO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:31:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWYNp-00084j-HT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:31:10 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.22] (helo=smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWYRL-0002M8-Mg; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:34:47 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4DBQrED011901; Fri, 13 May 2005 13:26:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <42848F67.7050209@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:28:39 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lily-devel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: Please check LilyPond contributions X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:31:19 -0000 [BCC to all contributors since LilyPond 2.0] Hello, I'm mailing you because your email address appears in the LilyPond ChangeLog as a contributor. I have been cleaning out the AUTHORS file at http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/topdocs/out-www/AUTHORS.html so it is more up to date. Since your name is in our ChangeLog, can you check whether - the AUTHORS file should list you. You should be there if you contributed non-trivial amounts of code: contiguous fragments of 20 lines or more. - the entry is up-to-date for what you contributed? Just reply to this mail so we can record any updates that are necessary. Thanks! -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 13 07:45:00 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWYbD-00053B-BF for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:44:59 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWYb5-0004yT-Vh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:44:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWYaz-0004wQ-7Y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:44:47 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWYay-0004w9-NZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:44:44 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.33] (helo=smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWYfz-0005dn-QU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:49:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4DBgoYK091887; Fri, 13 May 2005 13:42:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:44:41 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:44:55 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > > On 12-May-05, at 2:40 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > >> Graham Percival wrote: >> >>>> Maybe one alternative is to skip the links to the music expressions >>>> (*Event) all together since they can be found by navigating >>>> Arpeggio -> Arpeggio_engraver -> arpeggio-event. >>>> This would also reduce the number of links that have to be >>>> kept up to date manually in the manual. >>> >>> I favor this solution. Is this ok? >> >> >> I guess the Event types can be ditched if somewhere it is explained >> clearly that you can do >> >> \displayMusic ... >> >> and see what's inside. > > > What's this? How is \displayMusic supposed to work? try \displayMusic { c4-\arpeggio } > The main proposal here is that instead of having this: > > Arpeggios > blah blah > @seealso > _ArpeggioEvent_, _Arpeggio_ > > we just have this: > > Arpeggios > blah blah > @seealso > _Arpgeggio_ > > If a user wants to see the internals stuff, he clicks on _Arpeggio_. > The very first line tells > him that Arpeggio objects are created by Arpeggio_engraver and > Span_arpeggio_engraver; > following those links will get him to arpeggio-event. We don't need a > link to > arpeggio-event in the refman page about Arpeggios. My worry is that encouraging people to find out thngs on their own in the program-reference on their own might also not be productive. If you think many links is confusing, than it would be best not to have them browse the internals page (with its many links.) -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 13 07:45:01 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWYbE-00053l-4Z for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:45:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWYb5-0004yX-W1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:44:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWYb1-0004wf-Sw for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:44:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWYaz-0004w9-A3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:44:47 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.26] (helo=smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWYgL-0005j4-BL for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:50:17 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4DBhAoj006738; Fri, 13 May 2005 13:43:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4284933E.4050702@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:45:02 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <29349ae901240a93b02446fb78228352@shaw.ca> <428324B1.1000302@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: default padding on TextSpanner X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:44:55 -0000 Graham Percival wrote:> > Hey, that's a neat property! You learn something new every day. > > OK. Could I increase TextSpanner #'staff-padding from 0.1 to 0.8 > in scm/define-grobs.scm ? yup. > > Cheers, > - Graham > > -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 13 11:44:50 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWcLI-0000EP-Pj for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 11:44:49 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWcL8-00009b-8S for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 11:44:38 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWcL5-00006e-5S for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 11:44:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWcL4-000050-MU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 11:44:34 -0400 Received: from [195.70.32.130] (helo=mail.interware.hu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWcNi-0002VV-1k for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 11:47:18 -0400 Received: from caracas-3430.adsl.interware.hu ([213.178.113.102]) by mail.interware.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1DWcGc-0002MS-3a for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:39:58 +0200 Message-ID: <4284CA42.3070405@freemail.hu> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 17:39:46 +0200 From: Bertalan Fodor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: hu-hu, hu, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 2.5.24 build failed X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:44:40 -0000 There are no enc files so the ln fails. cd /netrel/build/lilypond-2.5.24/share/lilypond/2.5.24/fonts/enc && \ ln -s ../../../../../mf/out/*.enc . ln: creating symbolic link `./*.enc' to `../../../../../mf/out/*.enc': No such file or directory make[1]: *** [/netrel/build/lilypond-2.5.24/share/lilypond/2.5.24/lilypond-force] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/netrel/src/lilypond-2.5.24' make: *** [all] Error 2 + exit 1 + atexit + : From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 13 12:57:46 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWdTs-0003qB-Hl for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 12:57:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWdTp-0003nr-SZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 12:57:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWdTo-0003nE-SJ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 12:57:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWdTn-0003n5-0D for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 12:57:40 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.111] (helo=BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWdYI-0000YZ-3Y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 13:02:18 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.26.209.253] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([63.26.209.253]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 13 May 2005 09:55:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c557dc$82903e40$fdd11a3f@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" , "Graham Percival" References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se><42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:54:58 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2005 16:55:06.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[83B44BE0:01C557DC] Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:57:42 -0000 I think the sheer number of links is not confusing, but the fact that the information is not given in a consistent order from page to page is confusing. I propose either 1) only putting the layout object as a link to the program reference so the user can link to the engraver from the object page in the program reference and then link to the event from the engraver page or 2) list the object first, then the engraver and then the event last under the Program reference link on each page in the documentation. Listing the information in the same format and order from page to page would make it easier for a newbie to learn to navigate to the information he needs sooner. The Program Reference is noticeably more consistent in the way the information is layed out than in the documentation in the 'See also' sections. I personally have not figured out how to use the event yet, object yes, engraver yes, event no. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" To: "Graham Percival" Cc: "lily-devel" Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 6:44 AM Subject: Re: Another documentation issue > Graham Percival wrote: >> >> On 12-May-05, at 2:40 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >> >>> Graham Percival wrote: >>> >>>>> Maybe one alternative is to skip the links to the music expressions >>>>> (*Event) all together since they can be found by navigating >>>>> Arpeggio -> Arpeggio_engraver -> arpeggio-event. >>>>> This would also reduce the number of links that have to be >>>>> kept up to date manually in the manual. >>>> >>>> I favor this solution. Is this ok? >>> >>> >>> I guess the Event types can be ditched if somewhere it is explained >>> clearly that you can do >>> >>> \displayMusic ... >>> >>> and see what's inside. >> >> >> What's this? How is \displayMusic supposed to work? > > > try > > \displayMusic { c4-\arpeggio } > >> The main proposal here is that instead of having this: >> >> Arpeggios >> blah blah >> @seealso >> _ArpeggioEvent_, _Arpeggio_ >> >> we just have this: >> >> Arpeggios >> blah blah >> @seealso >> _Arpgeggio_ >> >> If a user wants to see the internals stuff, he clicks on _Arpeggio_. The >> very first line tells >> him that Arpeggio objects are created by Arpeggio_engraver and >> Span_arpeggio_engraver; >> following those links will get him to arpeggio-event. We don't need a >> link to >> arpeggio-event in the refman page about Arpeggios. > > My worry is that encouraging people to find out thngs on their own in the > program-reference on their own might also not be productive. If you think > many links is confusing, than it would be best not to have them browse the > internals page (with its many links.) > > -- > Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 13 12:57:58 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWdU5-0003yf-98 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 12:57:57 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWdTz-0003vK-HU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 12:57:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWdTu-0003s3-UQ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 12:57:47 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWdTu-0003n5-EL for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 12:57:46 -0400 Received: from [196.22.212.131] (helo=minedump.redi.co.za) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWdYL-0000Ym-Vp for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 13:02:22 -0400 Received: from frank.semiosix.local (postfix@rrba-146-98-47.telkomadsl.co.za [165.146.98.47]) by minedump.redi.co.za (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j4DGqDaC028430 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:52:14 +0200 Received: from groovious (GROOVIOUS.semiosix.local [192.168.1.20]) by frank.semiosix.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AAB2A5D5 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:55:07 +0200 (SAT) From: John Anderson To: lily-devel Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:55:09 +0200 Message-Id: <1116003309.17877.31.camel@groovious> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: HorizontalBracket above staff? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:57:54 -0000 Title says it all, really. How do I position a HorizontalBracket above the staff instead of below? thanks John From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 13 14:13:34 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWefE-0000og-Bb for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:13:33 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWZ1C-0005Ts-Q7 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 08:11:51 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWZ12-0005P6-C5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 08:11:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWZ0l-0004rL-TG for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 08:11:23 -0400 Received: from [128.83.126.134] (helo=wb1-a.mail.utexas.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DWZ01-0001Mb-11 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 08:10:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 86959 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 12:03:27 -0000 Received: from 66-90-147-100.dyn.grandenetworks.net (HELO ?66.90.147.100?) (robert.wyatt@66.90.147.100) by wb1.mail.utexas.edu with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 13 May 2005 12:03:27 -0000 Message-ID: <4284978D.3010802@mail.utexas.edu> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 07:03:25 -0500 From: Robert T Wyatt Organization: The University of Texas at Austin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lily-devel References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:13:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:12:06 -0000 From a brand-new user perspective, I think Han-Wen is on the right track. Leave the links, but make their order consistent and meaning clearer. ie, not just see also 1 2 3 but rather see also grob 1 guts 2 etc 3 I'm only still learning that X_engraver and X-event actually tells me a lot about where the link points; consistent, labelled references would allow me to inductively discover this much more quickly. .02 cents (no pun intended) :-) Happy Friday! Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: >> On 12-May-05, at 2:40 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >>> Graham Percival wrote: >>>>> Maybe one alternative is to skip the links to the music expressions >>>>> (*Event) all together since they can be found by navigating >>>>> Arpeggio -> Arpeggio_engraver -> arpeggio-event. >>>>> This would also reduce the number of links that have to be >>>>> kept up to date manually in the manual. >>>> I favor this solution. Is this ok? >>> I guess the Event types can be ditched if somewhere it is explained >>> clearly that you can do >>> \displayMusic ... >>> and see what's inside. >> What's this? How is \displayMusic supposed to work? > try > \displayMusic { c4-\arpeggio } >> The main proposal here is that instead of having this: >> Arpeggios >> blah blah >> @seealso >> _ArpeggioEvent_, _Arpeggio_ >> we just have this: >> Arpeggios >> blah blah >> @seealso >> _Arpgeggio_ >> If a user wants to see the internals stuff, he clicks on _Arpeggio_. >> The very first line tells >> him that Arpeggio objects are created by Arpeggio_engraver and >> Span_arpeggio_engraver; >> following those links will get him to arpeggio-event. We don't need a >> link to >> arpeggio-event in the refman page about Arpeggios. > My worry is that encouraging people to find out thngs on their own in > the program-reference on their own might also not be productive. If you > think many links is confusing, than it would be best not to have them > browse the internals page (with its many links.) From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 13 14:13:35 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWefG-0000pJ-GL for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:13:34 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWZOz-00010W-Cq for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 08:36:25 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWZOx-0000za-ID for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 08:36:23 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWZOw-0000yF-9d for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 08:36:22 -0400 Received: from [131.254.254.26] (helo=smtp.irisa.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWZTF-0007Ni-Qx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 08:40:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.irisa.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6428FFAB1 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:33:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.irisa.fr ([131.254.254.26]) by localhost (meli.irisa.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23858-10 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:33:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bacau.irisa.fr (bacau.irisa.fr [131.254.61.71]) by smtp.irisa.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C147FAA9 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:33:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:33:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Mathieu Giraud To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <42849CBF.5090702@lilypond.org> Message-ID: References: <42849CBF.5090702@lilypond.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at irisa.fr X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:13:21 -0400 Subject: Micro tones and english.ly X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:36:26 -0000 Micro tones are not defined in "ly/english.ly". Is there a standard english way to name them ? "-eh" and "-ih" ? Mathieu --=20 Mathieu Giraud - =E9quipe Symbiose IRISA, Campus de Beaulieu, 35042 Rennes cedex, France From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 13 17:28:38 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWhi0-0000ui-S7 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:28:37 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWhhm-0000rW-Da for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:28:23 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWhhd-0000q3-2K for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:28:14 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWhhb-0000nZ-V9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:28:12 -0400 Received: from [85.197.192.10] (helo=mx2.hive.is) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWhl3-0007Va-Ec for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:31:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 26900 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 21:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dhcppc0) (85.197.199.198) by postur.hive.is with SMTP; 13 May 2005 21:22:54 -0000 From: David Bobroff To: lily-devel Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:23:38 +0000 Message-Id: <1116019419.4832.0.camel@dhcppc0> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 'make all' fails ChangeLog 1.3612 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bobroff@centrum.is List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:28:28 -0000 'make all' chokes and exits thusly at ChangeLog 1.3612 on Fedora Core 3: make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/lilypond/Documentation/bibliography' make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/lilypond/Documentation/pictures' convert -sample 48 -depth 24 lilypond-48.xpm out/lilypond-48.png convert -depth 24 -sample 32 lilypond-48.xpm out/lilypond-32.png convert -depth 24 -sample 16 lilypond-48.xpm out/lilypond-16.png convert -depth 8 out/lilypond-48.png out/lilypond-48-8.png convert -depth 8 out/lilypond-32.png out/lilypond-32-8.png convert -depth 8 out/lilypond-16.png out/lilypond-16-8.png #convert +adjoin out/lilypond-48.png out/lilypond-32.png out/lilypond-16.png out/lilypond-48-8.png out/lilypond-32-8.png out/lilypond-16-8.png out/lilypond.ico icotool --output=out/lilypond.ico --create out/lilypond-48.png out/lilypond-32.png out/lilypond-16.png out/lilypond-48-8.png out/lilypond-32-8.png out/lilypond-16-8.png make[2]: icotool: Command not found make[2]: *** [out/lilypond.ico] Error 127 rm out/lilypond-16.png out/lilypond-16-8.png out/lilypond-32.png out/lilypond-32-8.png out/lilypond-48-8.png make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/lilypond/Documentation/pictures' make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/lilypond/Documentation' make: *** [all] Error 2 [root@dhcppc0 lilypond]# -David From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 13 18:59:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWj84-00045h-DN for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; 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Sat, 14 May 2005 00:57:02 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:56:56 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505140056.58888.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Subject: Missing build dependency: icotool X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:59:34 -0000 Hi, Make fails if icotool (debian package icoutils) isn't installed, and configure doesn't complain. Erik From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 14 03:39:23 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWrF1-00007o-Ti for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 03:39:20 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWrEz-00006L-He for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 03:39:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWrEy-00005v-Rp for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 03:39:17 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWrCt-0007fE-Rp for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 03:37:08 -0400 Received: from [212.227.126.177] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWqwj-0007os-51 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 03:20:25 -0400 Received: from p54AFA7D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.175.167.209] (helo=rigel.site) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1DWqjN3tRt-0005Oq; Sat, 14 May 2005 09:06:37 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rigel.site (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id j4D5m6Aw029415 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:48:07 +0200 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 07:48:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20050513.074805.40747840.wl@gnu.org> To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org From: Werner LEMBERG X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2.50 on Emacs 22.0.50.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:2dc398bc694a1e60948148ba0a42c0da Subject: lilypond start-up too long X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 07:39:17 -0000 [2.5.24] Sometimes the start-up time of lilypond takes almost a minute on a slower computer in case the fontconfig cache must be rebuilt (this is fontconfig 2004-03-06 coming with my SuSE 9.1). For Joe User, this looks like lilypond is hanging. I strongly suggest that a message (and/or a progress indicator) is added as a guide. Werner From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 14 07:07:20 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWuUK-0000st-GY for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 07:07:20 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWuUJ-0000sY-2T for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 07:07:19 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWuUI-0000sM-Kg for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 07:07:18 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWuSN-00008I-Tl for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 07:05:19 -0400 Received: from [213.228.0.62] (helo=postfix4-1.free.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWuCn-0003zU-01 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 06:49:13 -0400 Received: from robert (aqu33-3-82-226-195-151.fbx.proxad.net [82.226.195.151]) by postfix4-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA3F317940 for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 12:41:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nicolas by robert with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DWuAg-0000o3-2g for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 12:47:18 +0200 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org From: Nicolas Sceaux X-Face: "gf86$#p, 6cy*Hn!InZ-W/%Hq+@V\Of4rnxOf`tol$KI?yE7=, m0K+H[PW#\! gy8HEFjW$0a^#9H$SOaZ[/Y-7qfM[5)*x=qW7bX{[{}wc."y$5e; nU9rxhIq`F0LaSvl9ws%p{B0$3 cHU1dw^>dB:s7c>Ebsbo}d{r5@J]P>Hnbmx| Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:46:56 +0200 Message-ID: <87is1mw0db.fsf@free.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: nicolas.sceaux@free.fr X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on robert) Subject: define-*.scm X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 11:07:19 -0000 Hello, I was wondering if some syntax could be added in the scm/define-**.scm files. For instance, a user may want to define a new music property, to be used in a music function. I once had to do: %% We add a `not-tuplefiable' music property #(let ((my-prop 'not-tuplefiable)) (set-object-property! my-prop 'music-type? boolean?) (set-object-property! my-prop 'music-doc "Set to #t if the sequence should not be tuplefied by \\tuplefy") (set! all-music-properties (cons my-prop all-music-properties))) It would have been easier to do, eg: #(define-music-property not-tuplefiable boolean? "Set to #t if the sequence should not be tuplefied by \\tuplefy") I suspect that define-music-properties.scm might also benefit from that, by not using backquotes, unquotes, etc. (define-all-music-properties (iterator-ctor procedure? "Function to construct music-event-iterator object for this Music") (duration ly:duration? "Duration of this note/lyric.") (metronome-count number? "How many beats in a minute?")) This may be more obvious with scm/define-grobs.scm. There would be: (define-grob-description Arpeggio (arpeggio-interface staff-symbol-referencer-interface side-position-interface item-interface font-interface) (X-extent-callback Arpeggio::width_callback) (Y-extent-callback #f) (print-function Arpeggio::print) (Y-offset-callbacks (list Staff_symbol_referencer::callback)) (X-offset-callbacks (list Side_position_interface::aligned_side)) (direction -1) (padding 0.5) (staff-position 0.0)) (define-grob-description TextSpanner (text-spanner-interface side-position-interface font-interface spanner-interface) (print-function Text_spanner::print) (font-shape 'talic) (style 'dashed-line) (staff-padding 0.1) (dash-fraction 0.2) (dash-period 3.0) (direction 1)) ... And a(n advanced) user could do, to override a bunch of grob properties in eg an init file: (custom-grob-descriptions (Arpeggio padding 1.0) (TextSpanner staff-padding 0.8) ;; ... ) scm/define-music-types.scm could become: (define-music-type MultiMeasureRestMusicGroup "Music" (general-music sequential-music) "Like sequential-music, but specifically intended to group start-mmrest, skip, stop-mmrest sequence. Syntax @code{R2.*5} for 5 measures in 3/4 time." (length-callback Music_sequence::cumulative_length_callback) (start-callback Music_sequence::first_start_callback) (iterator-ctor Sequential_music_iterator::constructor)) (define-music-type AutoChangeMusic "Music_wrapper" (general-music music-wrapper-music auto-change-instruction) "Used for making voices that switch between piano staves automatically." (iterator-ctor Auto_change_iterator::constructor)) (define-music-type SoloOneEvent "Event" (general-music event part-combine-event) "Print Solo.1" (part-combine-status 'solo1)) ... In scm/define-grobs.scm, we read: ;;;; WARNING: the meta field should be the last one. ;;;; WARNING: don't use anonymous functions for initialization. ;; TODO: junk the meta field in favor of something more compact? Using define-grob-description, we could take care of that. nicolas From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 14 07:36:32 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWutZ-0005yU-4P for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 07:33:25 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWutE-0005p6-43 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 07:33:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWut7-0005mD-0H for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 07:32:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWut5-0005em-82 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 07:32:55 -0400 Received: from [195.70.32.130] (helo=mail.interware.hu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWutk-0003TD-Eu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 07:33:36 -0400 Received: from caracas-1688.adsl.interware.hu ([213.178.106.152]) by mail.interware.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1DWume-0006tc-FD for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 13:26:17 +0200 Message-ID: <4285E04E.2070001@freemail.hu> Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 13:26:06 +0200 From: Bertalan Fodor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: hu-hu, hu, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020404070705030806080909" Subject: Link failed building 2.5.24 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 11:33:10 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020404070705030806080909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What libraries are missing? 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spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWwJw-0003Oe-D1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 09:04:46 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWwIW-0002a0-Ns for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 09:03:16 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.26] (helo=smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWw5o-00011b-L0; Sat, 14 May 2005 08:50:08 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4ECgfMI010795; Sat, 14 May 2005 14:42:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4285F2B3.2080407@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 14:44:35 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Werner LEMBERG References: <20050513.074805.40747840.wl@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <20050513.074805.40747840.wl@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: lilypond start-up too long X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 13:07:43 -0000 Werner LEMBERG wrote: > [2.5.24] > > Sometimes the start-up time of lilypond takes almost a minute on a > slower computer in case the fontconfig cache must be rebuilt (this is > fontconfig 2004-03-06 coming with my SuSE 9.1). For Joe User, this > looks like lilypond is hanging. I strongly suggest that a message > (and/or a progress indicator) is added as a guide. Do you also see this if running an installed binary? (if you run from a source dir, scanning mf/out/ takes a long time.) -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 14 10:36:19 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWxkT-0006JT-MI for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 10:36:14 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWxkN-0006GN-21 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 10:36:07 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWxkK-0006Ex-ME for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 10:36:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWxkK-0006EF-34 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 10:36:04 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.27] (helo=smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWxoy-0004j4-Ko for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 10:40:52 -0400 Received: from peder.flower (appel.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.178]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4EEXUcb077562; Sat, 14 May 2005 16:33:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janneke@gnu.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWxhp-0001fW-VJ; Sat, 14 May 2005 16:33:30 +0200 To: Bertalan Fodor References: <4285E04E.2070001@freemail.hu> From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: Jan at Appel Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 16:33:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4285E04E.2070001@freemail.hu> (Bertalan Fodor's message of "Sat, 14 May 2005 13:26:06 +0200") Message-ID: <873bspq3ly.fsf@peder.flower> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Link failed building 2.5.24 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 14:36:08 -0000 Bertalan Fodor writes: > What libraries are missing? This symbol is missing: /netrel/build/lilypond-2.5.24/lily/out/all-font-metrics.o(.text+0xbf1):/netrel/src/lilypond-2.5.24/lily/all-font-metrics.cc:67: undefined reference to `_pango_font_description_set_size' so you can try finding the library doing something like $ for i in /cygwin/usr/lib/*.a; do i686-cygwin-nm $i --print-file-name; done | grep _pango_font_description_set_size /cygwin/usr/lib/libpango-1.0.dll.a:d000117.o:00000000 I __imp__pango_font_description_set_size /cygwin/usr/lib/libpango-1.0.dll.a:d000117.o:00000000 T _pango_font_description_set_size 16:30:57 mingw@peder:~ Ie: libpango-1.0 In that case, there seems to be problem with pkg-config, the output from pkg-config --libs pango should be OK for linking to pango. > Thanks, You're welcome. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 14 11:02:31 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWy9v-0002HE-NU for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:02:31 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWy8i-0001W5-PG for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:01:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWy8O-0001JU-MT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:01:00 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWy8N-0001Ip-1x for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:00:55 -0400 Received: from [196.22.212.131] (helo=minedump.redi.co.za) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWyCA-0000X1-F7 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:04:51 -0400 Received: from frank.semiosix.local (postfix@rrba-146-98-47.telkomadsl.co.za [165.146.98.47]) by minedump.redi.co.za (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j4EEsUi3007596 for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 16:54:30 +0200 Received: from groovious (GROOVIOUS.semiosix.local [192.168.1.20]) by frank.semiosix.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9752A5D5 for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 16:57:25 +0200 (SAT) From: John Anderson To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <20050514115414.GR21576@pc6139-c703.uibk.ac.at> References: <1116003309.17877.31.camel@groovious> <20050514115414.GR21576@pc6139-c703.uibk.ac.at> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 16:57:27 +0200 Message-Id: <1116082648.17871.37.camel@groovious> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HorizontalBracket above staff? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 15:02:29 -0000 On Sat, 2005-05-14 at 13:54 +0200, Simon Bailey wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 06:55:09PM +0200, John Anderson wrote: > > Title says it all, really. How do I position a HorizontalBracket above > > the staff instead of below? > > sorry, i think i may have got it wrong -- the direction should be set to #1 > rather than #-1 to place the bracket above the staff. Thanks, that partially works. So does \override Staff.HorizontalBracket #'direction = #UP The bracket shows up above the notes, but like \____/ instead of /^^^\. I'm using latest CVS, updated a few minutes ago. bye John From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 14 11:15:53 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWyMp-0000eP-Nb for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:15:52 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWyMl-0000ao-B0 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:15:47 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWyMf-0000Y3-Ja for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:15:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWyME-0008Rv-0W for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:15:14 -0400 Received: from [196.22.212.131] (helo=minedump.redi.co.za) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWyJF-0002KR-2O for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:12:09 -0400 Received: from frank.semiosix.local (postfix@rrba-146-98-47.telkomadsl.co.za [165.146.98.47]) by minedump.redi.co.za (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j4EF1nmI007891 for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 17:01:49 +0200 Received: from groovious (GROOVIOUS.semiosix.local [192.168.1.20]) by frank.semiosix.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1486B2A5D5 for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 17:04:45 +0200 (SAT) From: John Anderson To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 17:04:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1116083088.17870.41.camel@groovious> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: open mode? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 15:15:49 -0000 I'm running lilypond (latest CVS) inside of SciTE, bound to the "compile" key. I get the following in the output window: >lilypond -f pdf cth-124-e-2.ly [Using open mode] Open and visual must be used interactively >Exit code: 1 So can I disable open mode? bye John From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 14 11:18:28 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWyPK-0003Mn-JM for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:18:26 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWyP9-0003Ce-MR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:18:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWyP4-000392-Mx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:18:11 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWyP3-000368-Jn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:18:09 -0400 Received: from [195.70.32.130] (helo=mail.interware.hu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWyUV-0004X8-2E; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:23:47 -0400 Received: from caracas-1688.adsl.interware.hu ([213.178.106.152]) by mail.interware.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1DWyNN-0005S4-6H; Sat, 14 May 2005 17:16:25 +0200 Message-ID: <4286163E.50307@freemail.hu> Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 17:16:14 +0200 From: Bertalan Fodor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: hu-hu, hu, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen References: <4285E04E.2070001@freemail.hu> <873bspq3ly.fsf@peder.flower> In-Reply-To: <873bspq3ly.fsf@peder.flower> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Link failed building 2.5.24 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 15:18:22 -0000 Hm. With pkg-config --libs pango I get: -Wl,--export-dynamic -lpango-1.0 -lm -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -lintl -liconv While there is checking PANGO_FT2_LIBS... -Wl,--export-dynamic -lpangoft2-1.0 -lfontconfig -lfreetype -lz -lpango-1.0 -lm -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -lintl -liconv in configure, and: -lintl -Wl,--export-dynamic -lpangoft2-1.0 -lfontconfig -lfreetype -lz -lfontconfig -lfreetype -lz /usr/bin/libpython2.4.dll -lguile -lguile-ltdl -lcrypt -lm when linking. >>What libraries are missing? >> >> > >This symbol is missing: > >/netrel/build/lilypond-2.5.24/lily/out/all-font-metrics.o(.text+0xbf1):/netrel/src/lilypond-2.5.24/lily/all-font-metrics.cc:67: undefined reference to `_pango_font_description_set_size' > >Ie: libpango-1.0 In that case, there seems to be problem with pkg-config, >the output from > > pkg-config --libs pango > >should be OK for linking to pango. > > From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 14 11:36:25 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DWygj-0005jE-5L for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:36:25 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWygd-0005gV-QO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:36:19 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWygb-0005ew-Na for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:36:18 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWygb-0005ee-38 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:36:17 -0400 Received: from [195.70.32.130] (helo=mail.interware.hu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWym9-00009M-W5; Sat, 14 May 2005 11:42:02 -0400 Received: from caracas-1688.adsl.interware.hu ([213.178.106.152]) by mail.interware.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1DWyf1-0005jJ-Tw; Sat, 14 May 2005 17:34:40 +0200 Message-ID: <42861A85.30000@freemail.hu> Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 17:34:29 +0200 From: Bertalan Fodor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: hu-hu, hu, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bertalan Fodor References: <4285E04E.2070001@freemail.hu> <873bspq3ly.fsf@peder.flower> <4286163E.50307@freemail.hu> In-Reply-To: <4286163E.50307@freemail.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Jan Nieuwenhuizen Subject: Re: Link failed building 2.5.24 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 15:36:21 -0000 After that and after a clean, the links are set correctly. Bert > Hm. With pkg-config --libs pango I get: > > -Wl,--export-dynamic -lpango-1.0 -lm -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 > -lglib-2.0 -lintl -liconv > > While there is > > checking PANGO_FT2_LIBS... -Wl,--export-dynamic -lpangoft2-1.0 > -lfontconfig -lfreetype -lz -lpango-1.0 -lm -lgobject-2.0 > -lgmodule-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -lintl -liconv > > in configure, and: > > -lintl -Wl,--export-dynamic -lpangoft2-1.0 -lfontconfig -lfreetype > -lz -lfontconfig -lfreetype -lz /usr/bin/libpython2.4.dll > -lguile -lguile-ltdl -lcrypt -lm > > when linking. > > > >>> What libraries are missing? >>> >> >> >> This symbol is missing: >> >> /netrel/build/lilypond-2.5.24/lily/out/all-font-metrics.o(.text+0xbf1):/netrel/src/lilypond-2.5.24/lily/all-font-metrics.cc:67: >> undefined reference to `_pango_font_description_set_size' >> >> Ie: libpango-1.0 In that case, there seems to be problem with >> pkg-config, >> the output from >> >> pkg-config --libs pango >> >> should be OK for linking to pango. >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > > From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 14 15:42:34 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DX2Ww-0004jr-JW for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 15:42:34 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWrED-0008I1-UF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 03:38:30 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DWrE9-0008FQ-Mw for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 03:38:27 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWrE9-0008DM-Fv for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 03:38:25 -0400 Received: from [213.197.64.6] (helo=relay.freestart.hu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWqvQ-0007b7-25 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 03:19:05 -0400 Received: from mail by freestart.hu with local (Freestart relay 1 (FS-Lin)) id 1DWqoe-0000JD-00 for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 09:12:04 +0200 Received: from line-70-62.dial.freestart.hu ([213.197.70.62] helo=localhost.localdomain)by freestart.hu with esmtp (Freestart relay 1 (FS-Lin))id 1DWqoV-0000IQ-00for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 09:11:55 +0200 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 09:11:14 +0200 From: "Pal Benko" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=----------YhN1R4mW0lWBzi0KcqOvCM MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54u1 (Linux, build 892) X-freestart-banner: Yes X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 14 May 2005 15:42:31 -0400 Subject: Poor man's punctus divisionis X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 07:38:30 -0000 ------------YhN1R4mW0lWBzi0KcqOvCM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, the attached patch implements punctus divisionis as a generic bar line symbol. The user must state explicitly where the dot is to be placed: \bar "0" places it just below the staff, \bar "1" places it in the lowest staff-space, etc. punct-div.ly is a test file; hu.po is, well, hu.po. p ____________________________________________________________________ Miert fizetsz az internetert? Korlatlan, ingyenes internet hozzaferes a FreeStarttol. Probald ki most! http://www.freestart.hu ------------YhN1R4mW0lWBzi0KcqOvCM Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=patch4 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=patch4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Index: lily/bar-line.cc =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/lilypond/lilypond/lily/bar-line.cc,v retrieving revision 1.53 diff -u -r1.53 bar-line.cc --- lily/bar-line.cc 12 Apr 2005 22:49:29 -0000 1.53 +++ lily/bar-line.cc 14 May 2005 07:07:24 -0000 @@ -16,6 +16,7 @@ #include "output-def.hh" #include "paper-column.hh" #include "staff-symbol-referencer.hh" +#include "string-convert.hh" MAKE_SCHEME_CALLBACK (Bar_line, print, 1); @@ -138,6 +139,16 @@ m.add_stencil (d); } } + else // punctus divisionis + { + /* + the string value is a number giving the position of the dot; + 0 is below the staff, 0.5 is the lowest line, etc. + */ + m = dot; + m.translate_axis (((String_convert::dec2double (str)) - lines * 0.5) + * staff_space, Y_AXIS); + } return m; } Index: scm/output-lib.scm =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/lilypond/lilypond/scm/output-lib.scm,v retrieving revision 1.79 diff -u -r1.79 output-lib.scm --- scm/output-lib.scm 9 May 2005 21:08:38 -0000 1.79 +++ scm/output-lib.scm 14 May 2005 07:07:24 -0000 @@ -247,7 +247,8 @@ ("bracket" . (() . "bracket")) )))) (if (equal? result #f) - (ly:warning (_ "unknown bar glyph: `~S'" glyph)) + (index-cell (cons glyph '()) dir) +; (ly:warning (_ "unknown bar glyph: `~S'" glyph)) (index-cell (cdr result) dir)))) (define-public (shift-right-at-line-begin g) ------------YhN1R4mW0lWBzi0KcqOvCM Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=punct-div.ly Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=punct-div.ly Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit \version "2.5.25" { d'1 \bar "-1" d'1 \bar "0" d'1 \bar "1" d'1 \bar "2" d'1 \bar "3" d'1 \bar "4" d'1 \bar "5" d'1 \bar "6" d'1 \bar ":" d'1 d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' d' } \layout { \context { \Score defaultBarType = #"2" } } ------------YhN1R4mW0lWBzi0KcqOvCM Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=hu.po Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=hu.po Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit # A lilypond magyar fordítása # Copyright (C) 2005 Han-Wen Nienhuys, Jan Nieuwenhuizen # This file is distributed under the same license as the lilypond package. # BenkÅ‘ Pál , 2005. # #, fuzzy msgid "" msgstr "" "Project-Id-Version: lilypond 2.5.16\n" "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n" "POT-Creation-Date: 2005-03-23 21:57+0100\n" "PO-Revision-Date: 2005-03-23 21:57+0100\n" "Last-Translator: BenkÅ‘ Pál \n" "Language-Team: Hungarian \n" "MIME-Version: 1.0\n" "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n" "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n" #: lilylib.py:62 msgid "lilylib module" msgstr "lilylib modul" #: lilylib.py:65 lilypond-book.py:88 midi2ly.py:100 mup2ly.py:75 ps2png.py:42 #: main.cc:135 msgid "print this help" msgstr "kiírja ezt a szöveget" #: lilylib.py:112 midi2ly.py:136 mup2ly.py:130 #, python-format msgid "Copyright (c) %s by" msgstr "Copyright (c) %s" #: lilylib.py:116 midi2ly.py:141 mup2ly.py:135 msgid "Distributed under terms of the GNU General Public License." msgstr "Közzétéve a GNU General Public License szerint" #: lilylib.py:118 midi2ly.py:142 mup2ly.py:136 msgid "It comes with NO WARRANTY." msgstr "FelelÅ‘sségvállalás nélkül" #: lilylib.py:125 warn.cc:24 #, c-format, python-format msgid "warning: %s" msgstr "figyelmeztetés: %s" #: lilylib.py:128 warn.cc:30 #, c-format, python-format msgid "error: %s" msgstr "hiba: %s" #: lilylib.py:132 #, python-format msgid "Exiting (%d)..." msgstr "Kilépek (%d)..." #: lilylib.py:200 midi2ly.py:223 mup2ly.py:219 #, python-format msgid "Usage: %s [OPTIONS]... FILE" msgstr "Használat %s [OPCIÓK]... FÃJL" #: lilylib.py:204 convert-ly.py:57 midi2ly.py:227 mup2ly.py:223 main.cc:204 #, c-format msgid "Options:" msgstr "Opciók:" #: lilylib.py:208 convert-ly.py:68 lilypond-pdfpc-helper.py:28 midi2ly.py:231 #: mup2ly.py:227 main.cc:208 #, c-format, python-format msgid "Report bugs to %s." msgstr "Hibajelentés a %s címre." #: lilylib.py:228 #, python-format msgid "Binary %s has version %s, looking for version %s" msgstr "A bináris %s verziója %s; keresett verzió: %s" #: lilylib.py:262 #, python-format msgid "Opening pipe `%s'" msgstr "Megnyitom a `%s' pipe-ot" #: lilylib.py:277 lilypond-book.py:1122 #, python-format msgid "`%s' failed (%d)" msgstr "`%s' sikertelen (%d)" #: lilylib.py:282 lilylib.py:341 lilypond-book.py:1123 msgid "The error log is as follows:" msgstr "A hibaüzenet a következÅ‘:" #: lilylib.py:313 midi2ly.py:259 mup2ly.py:255 #, python-format msgid "Invoking `%s'" msgstr "Hívom: `%s'" #: lilylib.py:315 #, python-format msgid "Running %s..." msgstr "Futtatom: %s..." #: lilylib.py:334 #, python-format msgid "`%s' failed (%s)" msgstr "`%s' sikertelen (%s)" #: lilylib.py:337 midi2ly.py:265 mup2ly.py:263 msgid "(ignored)" msgstr "(figyelmen kívül hagyatik)" #: lilylib.py:355 midi2ly.py:275 mup2ly.py:273 #, python-format msgid "Cleaning %s..." msgstr "Törlöm: %s..." #: lilylib.py:551 msgid "Removing output file" msgstr "Törlöm a kimeneti fájlt" #: convert-ly.py:32 #, python-format msgid "%s has been replaced by %s" msgstr "%s helyett %s" #: convert-ly.py:33 #, python-format msgid "Not smart enough to convert %s" msgstr "%s nem konvertálható" #: convert-ly.py:34 msgid "Please refer to the manual for details, and update manually." msgstr "A részleteket keresd a kézikönyvben és frissíts sajátkezűleg." #: convert-ly.py:50 #, python-format msgid "Usage: %s [OPTION]... [FILE]..." msgstr "Használat: %s [OPCIÓK]... [FÃJL]..." #: convert-ly.py:53 msgid "" "Update LilyPond input to newer version. By default, update from the\n" "version taken from the \\version command, to the current LilyPond version." msgstr "" "LilyPond fájlt frissít újabb verzióra.\n" "Alapértelmezésben a \\version parancsbéli verzióból az aktuálisra." #: convert-ly.py:59 msgid "" " -e, --edit edit in place\n" " -f, --from=VERSION start from version [default: \\version found in " "file]\n" " -h, --help print this help\n" " -n, --no-version do not add \\version command if missing\n" " -s, --show-rules print rules [default: --from=0, --" "to=@TOPLEVEL_VERSION@]\n" " -t, --to=VERSION convert to version [default: @TOPLEVEL_VERSION@]\n" " -v, --version print program version" msgstr "" " -e, --edit átírja a megadott fájlt\n" " -f, --from=VERZIÓ VERZIÓ-ból indul " "[alapértelmezés: fájlbéli \\version]\n" " -h, --help kiírja ezt a szöveget\n" " -n, --no-version ha nincs \\version, ne is tegyen be\n" " -s, --show-rules kiírja a szabályokat " "[alapértelmezés: --from=0, --to=@TOPLEVEL_VERSION@]\n" " -t, --to=VERZIÓ VERZIÓ-ba konvertál " "[alapértelmezés: @TOPLEVEL_VERSION@]\n" " -v, --version kiírja a program verzióját" #: convert-ly.py:75 lilypond-pdfpc-helper.py:34 main.cc:92 #, c-format, python-format msgid "" "This program is free software. It is covered by the GNU General Public\n" "License and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it\n" "under certain conditions. Invoke as `%s --warranty' for more\n" "information.\n" msgstr "" "Ez a program szabad szoftver. A GNU GPL vonatkozik rá;\n" "bizonyos föltételek mellett megváltoztathatod és terjesztheted.\n" "További információért használd a --warranty switchet.\n" #: convert-ly.py:2402 msgid "LilyPond source must be UTF-8" msgstr "UTF-8 kódolásban várom a bemenetet" #: convert-ly.py:2405 msgid "Try the texstrings backend" msgstr "Próbáld a texstrings alvéget" #: convert-ly.py:2408 #, python-format msgid "Do something like: %s" msgstr "Csinálj valamit, mint pl: %s" #: convert-ly.py:2411 msgid "Or save as UTF-8 in your editor" msgstr "Vagy mentsd el UTF-8-ként a szerkesztÅ‘dben" #: convert-ly.py:2459 msgid "Applying conversion: " msgstr "Alkalmazott konverzió: " #: convert-ly.py:2471 #, python-format msgid "%s: error while converting" msgstr "%s: hiba konverzió közben" #: convert-ly.py:2474 score-engraver.cc:111 msgid "Aborting" msgstr "Kiszállás" #: convert-ly.py:2495 #, python-format msgid "Processing `%s'... " msgstr "Feldolgozom: `%s'..." #: convert-ly.py:2597 #, python-format msgid "%s: cannot determine version for `%s'" msgstr "%s: nem tudom megállapítani `%s' verzióját" #: convert-ly.py:2606 #, python-format msgid "%s: skipping: `%s'" msgstr "%s: átugrom: `%s'" #: lilypond-book.py:70 msgid "" "Process LilyPond snippets in hybrid HTML, LaTeX, or texinfo document.\n" "Example usage:\n" "\n" " lilypond-book --filter=\"tr '[a-z]' '[A-Z]'\" BOOK\n" " lilypond-book --filter=\"convert-ly --no-version --from=2.0.0 -\" BOOK\n" " lilypond-book --process='lilypond -I include' BOOK\n" msgstr "" "LilyPond részleteket vegyes HTML, LaTeX, or texinfo fájlba ágyaz.\n" "Példa a használatra:\n" "\n" " lilypond-book --filter=\"tr '[a-z]' '[A-Z]'\" BOOK\n" " lilypond-book --filter=\"convert-ly --no-version --from=2.0.0 -\" BOOK\n" " lilypond-book --process='lilypond -I include' BOOK\n" #: lilypond-book.py:82 main.cc:129 msgid "EXT" msgstr "EXT" #: lilypond-book.py:83 msgid "" "use output format EXT (texi [default], texi-html,\n" "\t\tlatex, html)" msgstr "" "az EXT kimeneti formátumot használja (texi [alapértelmezett], texi-html,\n" "\t\tlatex, html)" #: lilypond-book.py:85 msgid "FILTER" msgstr "SZÅ°RÅ" #: lilypond-book.py:86 msgid "pipe snippets through FILTER [convert-ly -n -]" msgstr "a részleteket átküldi SZÅ°RÅ-n [convert-ly -n -]" #: lilypond-book.py:89 lilypond-book.py:91 main.cc:137 msgid "DIR" msgstr "DIR" #: lilypond-book.py:90 msgid "add DIR to include path" msgstr "az include path-hoz adja DIR-t" #: lilypond-book.py:92 msgid "write output to DIR" msgstr "DIR-be teszi a kimenetet" #: lilypond-book.py:93 msgid "COMMAND" msgstr "PARANCS" #: lilypond-book.py:94 msgid "process ly_files using COMMAND FILE..." msgstr "ly fájlok feldolgozása: PARANCS FÃJL..." #: lilypond-book.py:96 midi2ly.py:105 mup2ly.py:78 ps2png.py:43 main.cc:150 msgid "be verbose" msgstr "szószátyár üzemmód" #: lilypond-book.py:98 msgid "print version information" msgstr "kiírja a verziót" #: lilypond-book.py:100 midi2ly.py:107 mup2ly.py:80 main.cc:151 msgid "show warranty and copyright" msgstr "figyelmeztetés és copyright" #: lilypond-book.py:706 #, python-format msgid "deprecated ly-option used: %s=%s" msgstr "ellenjavallt opció használata: %s=%s" #: lilypond-book.py:709 #, python-format msgid "compatibility mode translation: %s=%s" msgstr "fordítás kompatibilitási üzemmódban: %s=%s" #: lilypond-book.py:713 #, python-format msgid "deprecated ly-option used: %s" msgstr "ellenjavallt opció használata: %s" #: lilypond-book.py:716 #, python-format msgid "compatibility mode translation: %s" msgstr "fordítás kompatibilitási üzemmódban: %s" #: lilypond-book.py:735 #, python-format msgid "ignoring unknown ly option: %s" msgstr "ismeretlen opció figyelmen kívül hagyatik: %s" #: lilypond-book.py:772 #, python-format msgid "file not found: %s" msgstr "nem talált fájl: %s" #: lilypond-book.py:1105 #, python-format msgid "Opening filter `%s'" msgstr "`%s' szűrÅ‘ nyitása" #: lilypond-book.py:1247 msgid "Writing snippets..." msgstr "Részletek írása..." #: lilypond-book.py:1252 msgid "Processing..." msgstr "Földolgozás..." #: lilypond-book.py:1256 msgid "All snippets are up to date..." msgstr "Az összes részlet naprakész..." #: lilypond-book.py:1266 #, python-format msgid "cannot determine format for: %s" msgstr "Formátum nem állapítható meg: %s" #: lilypond-book.py:1311 msgid "Output would overwrite input file; use --output." msgstr "A kimenet felülírná a bemenetet; használd az --output kapcsolót." #: lilypond-book.py:1318 #, python-format msgid "Reading %s..." msgstr "Olvasás: %s..." #: lilypond-book.py:1334 msgid "Dissecting..." msgstr "Boncolás..." #: lilypond-book.py:1365 #, python-format msgid "Compiling %s..." msgstr "Fordítás: %s..." #: lilypond-book.py:1373 #, python-format msgid "Processing include: %s" msgstr "include földolgozás: %s" #: lilypond-book.py:1383 #, python-format msgid "Removing `%s'" msgstr "Törlés: %s" #: lilypond-book.py:1398 midi2ly.py:1016 ps2png.py:53 #, python-format msgid "getopt says: `%s'" msgstr "getopt jelenti: `%s'" #: lilypond-pdfpc-helper.py:72 msgid "Not in FILE:LINE:COL format: " msgstr "Nem FÃJL:SOR:OSZLOP formátum: " #: lilypond-pdfpc-helper.py:100 #, python-format msgid "Command failed: `%s' (status %d)" msgstr "Sikertelen parancs: `%s' (%d státus)" #. temp_dir = os.path.join (original_dir, '%s.dir' % program_name) #. original_dir = os.getcwd () #. keep_temp_dir_p = 0 #: midi2ly.py:94 msgid "Convert MIDI to LilyPond source." msgstr "MIDI konvertálása LilyPond forrássá." #: midi2ly.py:97 msgid "print absolute pitches" msgstr "abszolút hangmagasságot ír" #: midi2ly.py:98 midi2ly.py:103 msgid "DUR" msgstr "HOSSZ" #: midi2ly.py:98 msgid "quantise note durations on DUR" msgstr "hosszkvantumként HOSSZ-t használ" #: midi2ly.py:99 msgid "print explicit durations" msgstr "explicit hosszokat ír" #: midi2ly.py:101 msgid "ALT[:MINOR]" msgstr "MÓD[:MOLL]" #: midi2ly.py:101 msgid "set key: ALT=+sharps|-flats; MINOR=1" msgstr "hangnem megadása: MÓD=+kereszt|-bé; MOLL=1" #: midi2ly.py:102 main.cc:138 main.cc:139 msgid "FILE" msgstr "FÃJL" #: midi2ly.py:102 mup2ly.py:76 msgid "write output to FILE" msgstr "a kimenetet FÃJL-ba írja" #: midi2ly.py:103 msgid "quantise note starts on DUR" msgstr "hangkvantálás HOSSZ-on kezdÅ‘dik" #: midi2ly.py:104 msgid "DUR*NUM/DEN" msgstr "HOSSZ*SZÃ/NE" #: midi2ly.py:104 msgid "allow tuplet durations DUR*NUM/DEN" msgstr "HOSSZ*SZÃ/NE-olákat engedélyez" #: midi2ly.py:106 mup2ly.py:79 main.cc:149 msgid "print version number" msgstr "kiírja a verziót" #: midi2ly.py:108 msgid "treat every text as a lyric" msgstr "minden szöveget szövegnek tekint" #: midi2ly.py:149 mup2ly.py:143 input.cc:104 msgid "warning: " msgstr "figyelmeztetés: " #: midi2ly.py:164 midi2ly.py:1016 midi2ly.py:1081 mup2ly.py:146 mup2ly.py:160 #: input.cc:109 msgid "error: " msgstr "hiba: " #: midi2ly.py:165 mup2ly.py:161 msgid "Exiting ... " msgstr "Kiszállás ... " #: midi2ly.py:263 mup2ly.py:260 #, python-format msgid "command exited with value %d" msgstr "a parancs %d értékkel szállt ki" #: midi2ly.py:1000 #, python-format msgid "%s output to `%s'..." msgstr "%s kimenet `%s' fájlba ..." #: midi2ly.py:1031 msgid "Example:" msgstr "Példa:" #: midi2ly.py:1081 msgid "no files specified on command line." msgstr "nincs fájl megadva" #: mup2ly.py:70 msgid "Convert mup to LilyPond source." msgstr "mup-ból LilyPondba konvertál." #: mup2ly.py:73 msgid "debug" msgstr "hibakövetés" #: mup2ly.py:74 msgid "define macro NAME [optional expansion EXP]" msgstr "NAME makró definiálása [opcionális EXP kibontással]" #: mup2ly.py:77 msgid "only pre-process" msgstr "csak elÅ‘feldolgozás" #: mup2ly.py:1075 #, python-format msgid "no such context: %s" msgstr "nemlétezÅ‘ context: %s" #: mup2ly.py:1300 #, python-format msgid "Processing `%s'..." msgstr "Földolgozás: `%s'..." #: mup2ly.py:1319 #, python-format msgid "Writing `%s'..." msgstr "Kiírás: `%s'..." #. ugr. #: ps2png.py:37 msgid "Convert PostScript to PNG image." msgstr "PostScriptból PNG-be konvertál." #: ps2png.py:44 msgid "PAPER" msgstr "PAPÃR" #: ps2png.py:44 msgid "use papersize PAPER" msgstr "használjon PAPÃR méretű papírt" #: ps2png.py:45 msgid "RES" msgstr "RES" #: ps2png.py:45 msgid "set the resolution of the preview to RES" msgstr "az elÅ‘nézet fölbontását RES-re állítja" #. # FIXME: silly message containing %d #: ps2png.py:77 #, python-format msgid "Wrote `%s'" msgstr "Kiírva: `%s'" #: getopt-long.cc:143 #, c-format msgid "option `%s' requires an argument" msgstr "`%s' opcióhoz argumentum kell" #: getopt-long.cc:147 #, c-format msgid "option `%s' doesn't allow an argument" msgstr "`%s' opcióhoz nem járulhat argumentum" #: getopt-long.cc:151 #, c-format msgid "unrecognized option: `%s'" msgstr "ismeretlen opció: `%s'" #: getopt-long.cc:158 #, c-format msgid "invalid argument `%s' to option `%s'" msgstr "érvénytelen argumentum (`%s') a `%s' opcióhoz" #: warn.cc:43 #, c-format msgid "programming error: %s" msgstr "programhiba: %s" #: warn.cc:44 msgid "Continuing; crossing fingers" msgstr "Folytatom, hátha sikerül" #: accidental-engraver.cc:235 #, c-format msgid "Accidental typesetting list must begin with context-name: %s" msgstr "Módosítójellistának context-névvel kell kezdÅ‘dnie: %s" #: accidental-engraver.cc:263 #, c-format msgid "ignoring unknown accidental: %s" msgstr "ismeretlen módosítójel figyelmen kívül hagyva: %s" #: accidental-engraver.cc:279 #, c-format msgid "Accidental rule must be pair or context-name; Found %s" msgstr "" "Módosítójel-szabálynak párnak vagy context-névnek kéne lennie; " "olvasott: %s" #: accidental.cc:233 key-signature-interface.cc:127 #, c-format msgid "accidental `%s' not found" msgstr "nem találtam a `%s' módosítójelet" #: afm.cc:143 #, c-format msgid "Error parsing AFM file: `%s'" msgstr "Hiba az AFM fájl olvasása közben: `%s'" #. FIXME: broken sentence #: all-font-metrics.cc:176 #, c-format msgid "checksum mismatch for font file: `%s'" msgstr "fontfájl rossz ellenÅ‘rzőösszeggel: `%s'" #: all-font-metrics.cc:178 #, c-format msgid "does not match: `%s'" msgstr "nem stimmel: `%s'" #: all-font-metrics.cc:184 msgid "Rebuild all .afm files, and remove all .pk and .tfm files." msgstr "Készíttesd újra az .afm fájlokat és töröld a .pk és .tfm fájlokat." #: all-font-metrics.cc:186 msgid "Rerun with -V to show font paths." msgstr "Indítsd újra a -V kapcsolóval hogy kiírja a font path-okat." #: all-font-metrics.cc:188 msgid "A script for removing font-files is delivered with the source-code:" msgstr "Fontfájlokat törlÅ‘ program mellékelve a forráshoz:" #: all-font-metrics.cc:297 #, c-format msgid "can't find font: `%s'" msgstr "nem találom a fontot: `%s'" #: all-font-metrics.cc:298 msgid "Loading default font" msgstr "Alapértelmezett font betöltése" #: all-font-metrics.cc:313 #, c-format msgid "can't find default font: `%s'" msgstr "nem találom az alapértelmezett fontot: `%s'" #: all-font-metrics.cc:314 includable-lexer.cc:59 lily-parser-scheme.cc:69 #, c-format msgid "(search path: `%s')" msgstr "(keresési path: `%s')" #: all-font-metrics.cc:315 msgid "Giving up" msgstr "Föladom" #: apply-context-iterator.cc:33 msgid "\\applycontext argument is not a procedure" msgstr "az \\applycontext argumentuma nem procedúra" #: auto-change-iterator.cc:62 change-iterator.cc:60 msgid "Can't switch translators, I'm there already" msgstr "Nem tudok fordítót váltani, már ott vagyok" #: axis-group-engraver.cc:112 msgid "" "Axis_group_engraver: vertical group already has a parent.\n" "Do you have two Axis_group_engravers?\n" "Killing this vertical group." msgstr "" #: bar-check-iterator.cc:66 #, c-format msgid "barcheck failed at: %s" msgstr "ütemellenÅ‘rzés meghiúsult: %s" #: beam-engraver.cc:136 msgid "already have a beam" msgstr "már van gerenda" #: beam-engraver.cc:205 msgid "unterminated beam" msgstr "befejezetlen gerenda" #: beam-engraver.cc:238 chord-tremolo-engraver.cc:165 msgid "stem must have Rhythmic structure" msgstr "" #: beam-engraver.cc:251 msgid "stem doesn't fit in beam" msgstr "szár nem illik a gerendába" #: beam-engraver.cc:252 msgid "beam was started here" msgstr "itt kezdÅ‘dött a gerenda" #: beam.cc:142 msgid "beam has less than two visible stems" msgstr "a gerendának kettÅ‘nél kevesebb látható szára van" #: beam.cc:147 msgid "removing beam with less than two stems" msgstr "kettÅ‘nél kevesebb szárú gerenda eltávolítása" #: beam.cc:988 msgid "no viable initial configuration found: may not find good beam slope" msgstr "" "nem találtam használható kezdÅ‘beállítást; " "esetleg elrontom a gerenda lejtését" #: break-align-interface.cc:205 #, c-format msgid "No spacing entry from %s to `%s'" msgstr "" #: change-iterator.cc:22 #, c-format msgid "can't change `%s' to `%s'" msgstr "`%s'-t nem tudom `%s'-re váltani" #. #. We could change the current translator's id, but that would make #. errors hard to catch #. #. last->translator_id_string () = get_change ()->change_to_id_string (); #. #: change-iterator.cc:92 msgid "I'm one myself" msgstr "magam is az vagyok" #: change-iterator.cc:95 msgid "none of these in my family" msgstr "eggyik se családombéli" #: chord-tremolo-engraver.cc:94 #, c-format msgid "Chord tremolo with %d elements. Must have two elements." msgstr "Akkordtremoló %d elembÅ‘l. Pont kettÅ‘nek kéne lennie." #: chord-tremolo-engraver.cc:131 msgid "unterminated chord tremolo" msgstr "befejezetlen akkordtremoló" #: chord-tremolo-iterator.cc:64 msgid "no one to print a tremolos" msgstr "nincs, aki tremolót nyomtasson" #: clef.cc:57 #, c-format msgid "clef `%s' not found" msgstr "nem találom a `%s' kulcsot" #: cluster.cc:118 #, c-format msgid "unknown cluster style `%s'" msgstr "ismeretlen klaszterstílus: `%s'" #: coherent-ligature-engraver.cc:84 #, c-format msgid "gotcha: ptr=%ul" msgstr "" #: coherent-ligature-engraver.cc:96 #, c-format msgid "distance=%f" msgstr "távolság=%f" #: coherent-ligature-engraver.cc:139 #, c-format msgid "Coherent_ligature_engraver: setting `spacing-increment=0.01': ptr=%ul" msgstr "" #: context-def.cc:111 #, c-format msgid "Program has no such type: `%s'" msgstr "Ilyen típus nincs: `%s'" #: context-def.cc:285 #, c-format msgid "can't find: `%s'" msgstr "nem találom: `%s'" #: context.cc:150 #, c-format msgid "Cannot find or create new `%s'" msgstr "nem találom és készíteni se tudom: `%s'" #: context.cc:214 #, c-format msgid "Cannot find or create `%s' called `%s'" msgstr "nem találok és készíteni se tudok olyan `%s'-t, " "amelyet `%s'-nek hívnak" #: context.cc:305 #, c-format msgid "can't find or create: `%s'" msgstr "nem találom és készíteni se tudom: `%s'" #: custos.cc:83 #, c-format msgid "custos `%s' not found" msgstr "nem találom a `%s' custost" #: dynamic-engraver.cc:171 span-dynamic-performer.cc:84 msgid "can't find start of (de)crescendo" msgstr "nem találom a (de)crescendo elejét" #: dynamic-engraver.cc:180 msgid "already have a decrescendo" msgstr "már decrescendo van" #: dynamic-engraver.cc:182 msgid "already have a crescendo" msgstr "már crescendo van" #: dynamic-engraver.cc:185 msgid "Cresc started here" msgstr "itt kezdÅ‘dött a crescendo" #: dynamic-engraver.cc:304 msgid "unterminated (de)crescendo" msgstr "befejezetlen (de)crescendo" #: event-chord-iterator.cc:55 output-property-music-iterator.cc:29 #, c-format msgid "Junking event: `%s'" msgstr "" #: extender-engraver.cc:139 extender-engraver.cc:148 msgid "unterminated extender" msgstr "" #: folded-repeat-iterator.cc:64 msgid "no one to print a repeat brace" msgstr "nincs, aki ismétlÅ‘jelet nyomtasson" #: font-config.cc:23 msgid "FontConfig failed to initialize" msgstr "a FontConfig nem tudott fölállni" #: font-config.cc:37 #, c-format msgid "Failed to add lilypond directory %s" msgstr "" #: glissando-engraver.cc:97 msgid "Unterminated glissando." msgstr "Befejezetlen glissando" #: global-context-scheme.cc:50 global-context-scheme.cc:78 msgid "Need music in a score" msgstr "Zene is köll a kottába" #: global-context-scheme.cc:68 msgid "Interpreting music... " msgstr "Zene értelmezése... " #: global-context-scheme.cc:89 #, c-format msgid "elapsed time: %.2f seconds" msgstr "eltelt idÅ‘: %.2f másodperc" #: global-context.cc:160 #, c-format msgid "can't find `%s' context" msgstr "nem lelem a `%s' context-et" #: gourlay-breaking.cc:199 #, c-format msgid "Optimal demerits: %f" msgstr "" #: gourlay-breaking.cc:204 msgid "No feasible line breaking found" msgstr "nem találtam használható sortörést" #: gregorian-ligature-engraver.cc:59 #, c-format msgid "\\%s ignored" msgstr "\\%s figyelmen kívül hagyatik" #: gregorian-ligature-engraver.cc:64 #, c-format msgid "implied \\%s added" msgstr "" #: grob-interface.cc:45 #, c-format msgid "Unknown interface `%s'" msgstr "Ismeretlen interfész `%s'" #: grob-interface.cc:56 #, c-format msgid "Grob `%s' has no interface for property `%s'" msgstr "" #: hairpin.cc:105 msgid "decrescendo too small" msgstr "túl kicsi a decrescendo" #: hairpin.cc:106 msgid "crescendo too small" msgstr "túl kicsi a crescendo" #: horizontal-bracket-engraver.cc:55 msgid "Don't have that many brackets." msgstr "nincs ennyi zárójel" #: horizontal-bracket-engraver.cc:64 msgid "Conflicting note group events." msgstr "" #: hyphen-engraver.cc:89 msgid "removing unterminated hyphen" msgstr "befejezetlen kötÅ‘jel eltávolítása" #: hyphen-engraver.cc:102 msgid "unterminated hyphen; removing" msgstr "befejezetlen kötÅ‘jel eltávolítása" #: includable-lexer.cc:50 msgid "include files are not allowed in safe mode" msgstr "biztonságos módban nem szabad fájlt inkludálni" #: includable-lexer.cc:57 lily-guile.cc:90 lily-parser-scheme.cc:76 #, c-format msgid "can't find file: `%s'" msgstr "nem találom a fájlt: `%s'" #: input.cc:115 msgid "non fatal error: " msgstr "nem végzetes hiba: " #: input.cc:123 source-file.cc:136 source-file.cc:229 msgid "position unknown" msgstr "ismeretlen hely" #: key-performer.cc:94 msgid "FIXME: key change merge" msgstr "" #: ligature-engraver.cc:152 msgid "can't find start of ligature" msgstr "nem találom a ligatúra elejét" #: ligature-engraver.cc:158 msgid "no right bound" msgstr "" #: ligature-engraver.cc:184 msgid "already have a ligature" msgstr "már van ligatúra" #: ligature-engraver.cc:200 msgid "no left bound" msgstr "" #: ligature-engraver.cc:256 msgid "unterminated ligature" msgstr "befejezetlen ligatúra" #: ligature-engraver.cc:280 msgid "ignoring rest: ligature may not contain rest" msgstr "ligatúrában nem lehet szünet" #: ligature-engraver.cc:281 msgid "ligature was started here" msgstr "itt kezdÅ‘dött a ligatúra" #: lily-guile.cc:92 #, c-format msgid "(load path: `%s')" msgstr "" #: lily-guile.cc:486 #, c-format msgid "Can't find property type-check for `%s' (%s)." msgstr "" #: lily-guile.cc:489 msgid "Perhaps you made a typing error?" msgstr "Netán elgépelted?" #: lily-guile.cc:495 msgid "Doing assignment anyway." msgstr "Azért megcsinálom." #: lily-guile.cc:508 #, c-format msgid "Type check for `%s' failed; value `%s' must be of type `%s'" msgstr "" "`%s' típusának ellenÅ‘rzése sikertelen; " "`%s' értéknek `%s' típusúnak kell lennie" #: lily-lexer.cc:210 #, c-format msgid "Identifier name is a keyword: `%s'" msgstr "Kulcsszó azonosítónévként: `%s'" #: lily-lexer.cc:227 #, c-format msgid "error at EOF: %s" msgstr "hiba a fájl végén: %s" #: lily-parser-scheme.cc:68 #, c-format msgid "can't find init file: `%s'" msgstr "nem találom az inicializáló fájlt: %s" #: lily-parser-scheme.cc:85 #, c-format msgid "Processing `%s'" msgstr "`%s' földolgozása" #: lily-parser.cc:101 msgid "Parsing..." msgstr "Elemzés..." #: lily-parser.cc:119 msgid "Braces don't match" msgstr "Rossz zárójelezés" #: main.cc:98 msgid "" " This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or\n" "modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License version 2\n" "as published by the Free Software Foundation.\n" "\n" " This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,\n" "but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of\n" "MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU\n" "General Public License for more details.\n" "\n" " You should have received a copy (refer to the file COPYING) of the\n" "GNU General Public License along with this program; if not, write to\n" "the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330,\n" "Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.\n" msgstr "" #: main.cc:129 msgid "select backend to use" msgstr "melyik alvéget használja" #: main.cc:130 msgid "EXPR" msgstr "" #: main.cc:131 msgid "set option, use -e '(ly:option-usage)' for help" msgstr "" #. Bug in option parser: --output =foe is taken as an abbreviation #. for --output-format. #: main.cc:134 msgid "EXTs" msgstr "" #: main.cc:134 msgid "list of formats to dump" msgstr "" #: main.cc:136 msgid "FIELD" msgstr "" #: main.cc:136 msgid "write header field to BASENAME.FIELD" msgstr "" #: main.cc:137 msgid "add DIR to search path" msgstr "a DIR-t a keresési pathhoz adja" #: main.cc:138 msgid "use FILE as init file" msgstr "FÃJL-t használja inicializálásra" #: main.cc:139 msgid "write output to FILE (suffix will be added)" msgstr "kimenet a FÃJL-ba (a kiterjesztést hozzá fogom adni)" #: main.cc:140 msgid "USER,GROUP,JAIL,DIR" msgstr "" #: main.cc:140 msgid "chroot to JAIL, become USER:GROUP and cd into DIR" msgstr "" #: main.cc:141 msgid "generate a preview" msgstr "elÅ‘nézetet készít" #: main.cc:142 msgid "don't generate full pages" msgstr "ne készítsen teljes oldalakat" #: main.cc:143 msgid "generate PNG" msgstr "" #: main.cc:144 msgid "generate PostScript" msgstr "" #: main.cc:145 msgid "generate DVI" msgstr "" #: main.cc:146 msgid "generate PDF (default)" msgstr "" #: main.cc:147 msgid "generate TeX" msgstr "" #: main.cc:148 msgid "run in safe mode" msgstr "biztonsági üzemmód" #: main.cc:170 #, c-format msgid "" "Copyright (c) %s by\n" "%s and others." msgstr "" #. No version number or newline here. It confuses help2man. #: main.cc:196 #, c-format msgid "Usage: %s [OPTION]... FILE..." msgstr "Használat: %s [OPCIÓK]... FÃJL..." #: main.cc:198 #, c-format msgid "Typeset music and/or produce MIDI from FILE." msgstr "Kottát nyomtat vagy MIDI-t készít FÃJL-ból." #: main.cc:200 #, c-format msgid "LilyPond produces beautiful music notation." msgstr "A LilyPond szép kottát készít." #: main.cc:202 #, c-format msgid "For more information, see %s" msgstr "További információért lásd: %s" #: main.cc:272 #, c-format msgid "expected %d arguments with jail, found: %d" msgstr "" #: main.cc:286 #, c-format msgid "no such user: %s" msgstr "" #: main.cc:288 #, c-format msgid "can't get user id from user name: %s: %s" msgstr "" #: main.cc:303 #, c-format msgid "no such group: %s" msgstr "" #: main.cc:305 #, c-format msgid "can't get group id from group name: %s: " msgstr "" #: main.cc:313 #, c-format msgid "can't chroot to: %s: %s" msgstr "" #: main.cc:320 #, c-format msgid "can't change group id to: %d: %s" msgstr "" #: main.cc:326 #, c-format msgid "can't change user id to: %d: %s" msgstr "" #: main.cc:332 #, c-format msgid "can't change working directory to: %s: %s" msgstr "" #: mensural-ligature-engraver.cc:74 msgid "ligature with less than 2 heads -> skipping" msgstr "kettÅ‘nél kevesebb hang a ligatúrában -> kihagyom" #: mensural-ligature-engraver.cc:100 msgid "can not determine pitch of ligature primitive -> skipping" msgstr "meghatározhatatlan hangmagasság -> kihagyom" #: mensural-ligature-engraver.cc:113 msgid "single note ligature - skipping" msgstr "eggy hangból álló ligatúra - kihagyom" #: mensural-ligature-engraver.cc:124 msgid "prime interval within ligature -> skipping" msgstr "prím a ligatúrában -> kihagyom" #: mensural-ligature-engraver.cc:136 msgid "mensural ligature: duration none of Mx, L, B, S -> skipping" msgstr "menzurális ligatúra: a hossz se Mx, se L, se B, se S -> kihagyom" #: mensural-ligature-engraver.cc:184 msgid "semibrevis must be followed by another one -> skipping" msgstr "semibrevis után még eggy kell -> kihagyom" #: mensural-ligature-engraver.cc:195 msgid "" "semibreves can only appear at the beginning of a ligature,\n" "and there may be only zero or two of them" msgstr "semibrevisek csak ligatúra elején lehetnek, és csak nulla vagy kettÅ‘." #: mensural-ligature-engraver.cc:227 msgid "" "invalid ligatura ending:\n" "when the last note is a descending brevis,\n" "the penultimate note must be another one,\n" "or the ligatura must be LB or SSB" msgstr "" "érvénytelen ligatúravégzÅ‘dés:\n" "ha az utolsó hang ereszkedÅ‘ brevis, az elÅ‘zÅ‘nek is annak kell lennie,\n" "kivéve a LB és SSB ligatúrákat." #: mensural-ligature-engraver.cc:324 msgid "unexpected case fall-through" msgstr "nem várt eset" #: mensural-ligature.cc:145 msgid "Mensural_ligature: unexpected case fall-through" msgstr "menzurális ligatúra: nem várt eset" #: mensural-ligature.cc:210 msgid "Mensural_ligature: (join_right == 0)" msgstr "menzurális ligatúra: prím" #: midi-item.cc:150 #, c-format msgid "no such MIDI instrument: `%s'" msgstr "ilyen MIDI hangszer nincs is: `%s'" #: midi-item.cc:254 msgid "silly pitch" msgstr "ostoba hangmagasság" #: midi-item.cc:270 #, c-format msgid "Experimental: temporarily fine tuning (of %d cents) a channel." msgstr "Kísérlet: ideiglenesen finomhangolok (%d centtel) egy csatornát." #: midi-stream.cc:39 #, c-format msgid "could not write file: `%s'" msgstr "a `%s' fájlt nem tudom kiírni" #: music.cc:176 #, c-format msgid "octave check failed; expected %s, found: %s" msgstr "oktávellenÅ‘rzés sikertelen; várt: %s, talált: %s" #: music.cc:239 #, c-format msgid "Transposition by %s makes alteration larger than double" msgstr "%s transzpozíció több mint kétszeres alterációt eredményez" #. #. music for the softenon children? #. #: new-fingering-engraver.cc:149 msgid "music for the martians." msgstr "zene marslakóknak." #: new-fingering-engraver.cc:229 msgid "Fingerings are also not down?! Putting them down anyway." msgstr "Ujjrend nem a hangok alatt?! Csakazértis odateszem." #: new-lyric-combine-music-iterator.cc:240 #, c-format msgid "cannot find Voice `%s'" msgstr "nem talált Voice: `%s'" #: note-collision.cc:404 msgid "Too many clashing notecolumns. Ignoring them." msgstr "" #: note-head.cc:68 #, c-format msgid "note head `%s' not found" msgstr "nem talált kottafej: `%s'" #: open-type-font.cc:29 #, c-format msgid "Cannot allocate %d bytes" msgstr "" #: open-type-font.cc:33 #, c-format msgid "Could not load %s font table" msgstr "" #: open-type-font.cc:85 #, c-format msgid "Unsupported font format: %s" msgstr "" #: open-type-font.cc:89 #, c-format msgid "Unknown error: %d reading font file: %s" msgstr "" #: open-type-font.cc:144 #, c-format msgid "FT_Get_Glyph_Name() returned error: %d" msgstr "" #: pango-font.cc:130 #, c-format msgid "No PS font name for font `%s'" msgstr "" #: pango-font.cc:177 msgid "FreeType face has no PostScript font name." msgstr "" #: paper-outputter-scheme.cc:26 #, c-format msgid "Layout output to `%s'..." msgstr "Kimenet küldése: `%s'..." #: paper-score.cc:66 #, c-format msgid "Element count %d (spanners %d) " msgstr "" #: paper-score.cc:70 msgid "Preprocessing graphical objects..." msgstr "Grafikus tárgyak elÅ‘földolgozása..." #: parse-scm.cc:81 msgid "GUILE signaled an error for the expression beginning here" msgstr "A GUILE hibát jelzett az itt kezdÅ‘dÅ‘ kifejezésre" #: percent-repeat-engraver.cc:100 msgid "Don't know how to handle a percent repeat of this length." msgstr "" #: percent-repeat-engraver.cc:158 msgid "unterminated percent repeat" msgstr "" #: percent-repeat-iterator.cc:51 msgid "no one to print a percent" msgstr "" #: performance.cc:48 msgid "Track..." msgstr "Sáv..." #: performance.cc:89 msgid "Creator: " msgstr "TeremtÅ‘: " #: performance.cc:109 msgid "at " msgstr "" #: performance.cc:162 #, c-format msgid "MIDI output to `%s'..." msgstr "MIDI kimenet: `%s'..." #: phrasing-slur-engraver.cc:115 msgid "unterminated phrasing slur" msgstr "befejezetlen kötőív" #: piano-pedal-engraver.cc:224 msgid "Need 3 strings for piano pedals. No pedal made. " msgstr "" #: piano-pedal-engraver.cc:239 piano-pedal-engraver.cc:254 #: piano-pedal-performer.cc:80 #, c-format msgid "can't find start of piano pedal: `%s'" msgstr "" #: piano-pedal-engraver.cc:304 #, c-format msgid "can't find start of piano pedal bracket: `%s'" msgstr "" #: property-iterator.cc:93 #, c-format msgid "Not a grob name, `%s'." msgstr "" #: quote-iterator.cc:244 #, c-format msgid "In quotation: junking event %s" msgstr "" #: relative-octave-check.cc:38 msgid "Failed octave check, got: " msgstr "Sikertelen oktávellenÅ‘rzés: " #: rest-collision.cc:147 msgid "rest direction not set. Cannot resolve collision." msgstr "beállítatlan szünetirány. Feloldhatatlan ütközés." #: rest-collision.cc:162 rest-collision.cc:208 msgid "too many colliding rests" msgstr "túl sok ütközÅ‘ szünet" #: rest.cc:140 #, c-format msgid "rest `%s' not found" msgstr "nem lelt szünet: `%s'" #: scm-option.cc:54 #, c-format msgid "lilypond -e EXPR means:" msgstr "lilyipond -e EXPR jelentése:" #: scm-option.cc:56 #, c-format msgid " Evalute the Scheme EXPR before parsing any .ly files." msgstr " Az EXPR Scheme kifejezés kiértékeltetik a .ly fájlok olvasása elÅ‘tt." #: scm-option.cc:58 #, c-format msgid "" " Multiple -e options may be given, they will be evaluated sequentially." msgstr " Akárhány -e opció megadható, egymás után értékeltetnek ki." #: scm-option.cc:60 #, c-format msgid "" " The function ly:set-option allows for access to some internal variables." msgstr " A ly:set-option függvényen keresztül elérhetÅ‘ néhány belsÅ‘ változó." #: scm-option.cc:62 #, c-format msgid "Usage: lilypond -e \"(ly : set - option SYMBOL VAL)\"" msgstr "Használat: lilypond -e \"(ly : set - option SYMBOL VAL)\"" #: scm-option.cc:64 #, c-format msgid "Use help as SYMBOL to get online help." msgstr "Használj help-et SYMBOL-ként" #: scm-option.cc:130 scm-option.cc:168 #, c-format msgid "No such internal option: %s" msgstr "Nincs ilyen belsÅ‘ opció: %s" #: score-engraver.cc:105 #, c-format msgid "cannot find `%s'" msgstr "nem lelem: `%s'" #: score-engraver.cc:107 msgid "Music font has not been installed properly." msgstr "" #: score-engraver.cc:109 #, c-format msgid "Search path `%s'" msgstr "Keresési path: `%s'" #: score.cc:213 msgid "Already have music in score" msgstr "Már van zene a kottában" #: score.cc:214 msgid "This is the previous music" msgstr "Ez az elÅ‘zÅ‘ zene" #: score.cc:219 msgid "Error found in this music expression. Ignoring it" msgstr "Hiba a kifejezésben. Ãtsiklok fölötte." #. FIXME: #: script-engraver.cc:100 msgid "Do not know how to interpret articulation: " msgstr "Nem ismerem ezt az artikulációs jelet: " #: script-engraver.cc:101 msgid "Scheme encoding: " msgstr "" #. this shouldn't happen, but let's continue anyway. #: separation-item.cc:52 separation-item.cc:96 msgid "Separation_item: I've been drinking too much" msgstr "" #: simple-spacer.cc:410 #, c-format msgid "No spring between column %d and next one" msgstr "" #: slur-engraver.cc:113 msgid "unterminated slur" msgstr "befejezetlen ív" #: slur-engraver.cc:123 msgid "No slur to end" msgstr "Nincs ív, amit befejezhetnék" #: source-file.cc:47 #, c-format msgid "can't open file: `%s'" msgstr "Fájl megnyithatatlan: `%s'" #: source-file.cc:60 #, c-format msgid "Huh? Got %d, expected %d characters" msgstr "He? %d karaktert kaptam, %d-t vártam" #: spacing-spanner.cc:377 #, c-format msgid "Global shortest duration is %s" msgstr "legrövidebb hossz: %s" #: stem-engraver.cc:88 msgid "tremolo duration is too long" msgstr "Túl hosszú tremoló" #. FIXME: #: stem-engraver.cc:125 #, c-format msgid "Adding note head to incompatible stem (type = %d)" msgstr "Kottafej és szár nem illik össze (típus = %d)" #: stem-engraver.cc:127 msgid "Don't you want polyphonic voices instead?" msgstr "Nem akarsz külön szárazást?" #: stem.cc:124 msgid "Weird stem size; check for narrow beams" msgstr "Gyanvas szárméret; keresek keskenyebb gerendát" #: stem.cc:577 #, c-format msgid "flag `%s' not found" msgstr "`%s' zászlót nem találtam" #: stem.cc:588 #, c-format msgid "flag stroke `%s' not found" msgstr "" #: system.cc:145 #, c-format msgid "Element count %d." msgstr "" #: system.cc:224 #, c-format msgid "Grob count %d" msgstr "Grobszámlálás: %d" #: system.cc:241 msgid "Calculating line breaks..." msgstr "Sortörésszámítás..." #: text-spanner-engraver.cc:61 msgid "can't find start of text spanner" msgstr "" #: text-spanner-engraver.cc:75 msgid "already have a text spanner" msgstr "" #: text-spanner-engraver.cc:136 msgid "unterminated text spanner" msgstr "" #. Not using ngettext's plural feature here, as this message is #. more of a programming error. #: tfm-reader.cc:106 #, c-format msgid "TFM header of `%s' has only %u word (s)" msgstr "" #: tfm-reader.cc:139 #, c-format msgid "%s: TFM file has %u parameters, which is more than the %u I can handle" msgstr "" #: tfm.cc:70 #, c-format msgid "can't find ascii character: %d" msgstr "" #: tie-engraver.cc:194 msgid "lonely tie" msgstr "magányos kötőív" #: time-scaled-music-iterator.cc:22 msgid "no one to print a tuplet start bracket" msgstr "nincs, aki elkezdje a valahányolát" #. #. Todo: should make typecheck? #. #. OTOH, Tristan Keuris writes 8/20 in his Intermezzi. #. #: time-signature-engraver.cc:54 #, c-format msgid "Found strange time signature %d/%d." msgstr "Szokatlan ütemmutató: %d/%d" #. If there is no such symbol, we default to the numbered style. #. (Here really with a warning!) #: time-signature.cc:83 #, c-format msgid "time signature symbol `%s' not found; reverting to numbered style" msgstr "`%s' ütemmutató-jelet nem találtam; maradok a számoknál" #: translator-ctors.cc:52 #, c-format msgid "unknown translator: `%s'" msgstr "" #: trill-spanner-engraver.cc:68 msgid "can't find start of trill spanner" msgstr "" #: trill-spanner-engraver.cc:82 msgid "already have a trill spanner" msgstr "" #: trill-spanner-engraver.cc:142 msgid "unterminated trill spanner" msgstr "" #: tuplet-bracket.cc:438 msgid "Killing tuplet bracket across linebreak." msgstr "" #: vaticana-ligature-engraver.cc:341 #, c-format msgid "" "ignored prefix (es) `%s' of this head according to restrictions of the " "selected ligature style" msgstr "" #: vaticana-ligature-engraver.cc:568 #, c-format msgid "Vaticana_ligature_engraver: setting `spacing-increment = %f': ptr =%ul" msgstr "" #: vaticana-ligature.cc:93 msgid "ascending vaticana style flexa" msgstr "" #: vaticana-ligature.cc:182 msgid "Vaticana_ligature: zero join (delta_pitch == 0)" msgstr "" #: volta-engraver.cc:133 msgid "No volta spanner to end" msgstr "" #: volta-engraver.cc:144 msgid "Already have a volta spanner. Stopping that one prematurely." msgstr "" #: volta-engraver.cc:148 msgid "Also have a stopped spanner. Giving up." msgstr "" #: parser.yy:82 msgid "Tag must be symbol or list of symbols." msgstr "" #: parser.yy:559 msgid "Identifier should have alphabetic characters only" msgstr "Azonosítóban csak betűk szerepelhetnek" #: parser.yy:717 msgid "\\paper cannot be in \\score. Use \\layout instead" msgstr "\\paper nem lehet \\score-on belül. Használj \\layoutot." #: parser.yy:741 msgid "Need \\paper for paper block." msgstr "" #: parser.yy:886 msgid "More alternatives than repeats. Junking excess alternatives." msgstr "Több alternatíva mint ismétlés. A fölöslegeseket kidobom." #: parser.yy:1078 msgid "Music head function should return Music object." msgstr "" #: parser.yy:1350 msgid "Grob name should be alphanumeric" msgstr "A grobnévnek alfanumerikusnak köll lennie" #: parser.yy:1710 msgid "Second argument must be pitch list." msgstr "A második argumentumnak hangmagasság-listának kell lennie." #: parser.yy:1749 parser.yy:1754 parser.yy:2234 msgid "Have to be in Lyric mode for lyrics" msgstr "Lyrics mód köll a szöveghez" #: parser.yy:1847 msgid "Expecting string as script definition" msgstr "Stringet vártam programdefinícióként" #: parser.yy:2010 parser.yy:2060 #, c-format msgid "not a duration: %d" msgstr "nem hossz: %d" #: parser.yy:2153 msgid "Have to be in Note mode for notes" msgstr "Note módban kell lenni hangokhoz" #: parser.yy:2247 msgid "Have to be in Chord mode for chords" msgstr "Chord módban kell lenni akkordokhoz" #: parser.yy:2398 msgid "need integer number arg" msgstr "egész szám köll" #: parser.yy:2596 msgid "Suspect duration found following this beam" msgstr "Gyanús hosszt találtam a gerenda után" #: lexer.ll:193 #, c-format msgid "Renaming input to: `%s'" msgstr "Bemenet átnevezése: `%s'" #: lexer.ll:201 msgid "No quoted string found after \\version" msgstr "\\version után nincs idézett string" #: lexer.ll:205 msgid "No quoted string found after \\renameinput" msgstr "\\renameinput után nincs idézett string" #: lexer.ll:218 msgid "EOF found inside a comment" msgstr "fájl vége megjegyzésen belül" #: lexer.ll:233 msgid "\\maininput not allowed outside init files" msgstr "\\maininput csak init-fájlban használható" #: lexer.ll:257 #, c-format msgid "wrong or undefined identifier: `%s'" msgstr "Rossz vagy definiálatlan azonosító: `%s'" #. backup rule #: lexer.ll:266 msgid "Missing end quote" msgstr "Hiányzó záró idézÅ‘jel" #: lexer.ll:428 msgid "Brace found at end of lyric. Did you forget a space?" msgstr "Szöveg végén gamó tücsök. Kifelejtettél volna egy szóközt?" #: lexer.ll:527 msgid "Brace found at end of markup. Did you forget a space?" msgstr "Markup végén gamó tücsök. Kifelejtettél volna egy szóközt?" #: lexer.ll:616 #, c-format msgid "invalid character: `%c'" msgstr "érvénytelen karakter: `%c'" #: lexer.ll:703 #, c-format msgid "unknown escaped string: `\\%s'" msgstr "ismeretlen escape-string: `\\%s'" #: lexer.ll:801 #, c-format msgid "Incorrect lilypond version: %s (%s, %s)" msgstr "Helytelen lilypond verzió: %s (%s, %s)" #: lexer.ll:802 msgid "Consider updating the input with the convert-ly script" msgstr "Érdemes felújítani a bemenetet a convert-ly programmal" #: backend-library.scm:19 #, lisp-format msgid "Invoking `~a'..." msgstr "Hívás: `~a'" #: backend-library.scm:24 #, lisp-format msgid "`~a' failed (~a)" msgstr "`~a' sikertelen (~a)" #. Do not try to guess the name of the png file #: backend-library.scm:44 backend-library.scm:55 framework-tex.scm:339 #: framework-tex.scm:367 #, lisp-format msgid "Converting to `~a'..." msgstr "Konvertálás: `~a'..." #: backend-library.scm:87 #, lisp-format msgid "Writing header field `~a' to `~a'..." msgstr "Fejléc írása: `~a' mezÅ‘ `~a' fájlba" #: clef.scm:124 #, lisp-format msgid "Unknown clef type `~a'" msgstr "Ismeretlen kulcs: `~a'" #: clef.scm:125 msgid "See scm/lily.scm for supported clefs" msgstr "Lásd a scm/lily.scm fájlban az ismert kulcsok listáját" #: framework-tex.scm:359 #, lisp-format msgid "TeX file name must not contain whitespace: `~a'" msgstr "A TeX fájl neve nem tartalmazhat szóközt: `~a'" #: lily-library.scm:346 #, lisp-format msgid "No \\version statement found. Add~afor future compatibility." msgstr "Nem találtam \\version-t." #: lily.scm:95 #, lisp-format msgid "wrong type for argument ~a. Expecting ~a, found ~s" msgstr "~a argumentumnak rossz a típusa. Várt: ~a, kapott: ~s" #: lily.scm:314 msgid "error: failed files: " msgstr "hiba: sikertelen fájlok: " #: page-layout.scm:416 msgid "Calculating page breaks..." msgstr "Lapdobásszámítás..." ------------YhN1R4mW0lWBzi0KcqOvCM-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 14 16:02:48 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DX2qV-00066N-TG for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 16:02:48 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DX2qT-00065F-L1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 16:02:45 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DX2qR-00063t-OF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 16:02:43 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DX2qR-00063H-AQ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 16:02:43 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.24] (helo=smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DX2ut-0006o5-Lj for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 16:07:19 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4EJxshl089181; Sat, 14 May 2005 21:59:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4286592C.3030807@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 22:01:48 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pal Benko References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Poor man's punctus divisionis X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 20:02:46 -0000 Pal Benko wrote: > Hi all, > > the attached patch implements punctus divisionis as a generic bar line > symbol. > The user must state explicitly where the dot is to be placed: > \bar "0" places it just below the staff, \bar "1" places it in the lowest > staff-space, etc. this is out of style. Why can't it simply use the staff-position property? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 15 03:22:16 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DXDS1-0007Iy-M2 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 03:22:14 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DXDRu-0007IZ-72 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 03:22:06 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DXCni-0000IM-Ty for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 02:40:59 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DXCXj-0005DJ-Kn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 02:24:03 -0400 Received: from [212.227.126.171] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DXCcL-0004kp-LA for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 02:28:49 -0400 Received: from pD9FDC95B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.253.201.91] (helo=rigel.site) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1DXCV028Pk-0006kZ; Sun, 15 May 2005 08:21:14 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rigel.site (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id j4F6KoAw016191; Sun, 15 May 2005 08:20:50 +0200 Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 08:20:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20050515.082050.80177367.wl@gnu.org> To: hanwen@xs4all.nl From: Werner LEMBERG In-Reply-To: <4285F2B3.2080407@xs4all.nl> References: <20050513.074805.40747840.wl@gnu.org> <4285F2B3.2080407@xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2.50 on Emacs 22.0.50.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:2dc398bc694a1e60948148ba0a42c0da Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: lilypond start-up too long X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 07:22:08 -0000 > > Sometimes the start-up time of lilypond takes almost a minute on a > > slower computer in case the fontconfig cache must be rebuilt (this > > is fontconfig 2004-03-06 coming with my SuSE 9.1). For Joe User, > > this looks like lilypond is hanging. I strongly suggest that a > > message (and/or a progress indicator) is added as a guide. > > Do you also see this if running an installed binary? Yes -- this is probably caused by manually shifting around CJK fonts in directories which fontconfig scans. Werner From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 16 09:59:39 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DXb4y-00030B-5n for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 04:36:01 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DXZj0-0007MS-S6 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 03:09:15 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DXYP8-0001qg-Hx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 01:44:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DXTJO-0001ww-5x for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 20:18:22 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DXTP9-0007ag-BL for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 20:24:19 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DXTHF-0001hx-8w for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 02:16:09 +0200 Received: from 66-90-147-100.dyn.grandenetworks.net ([66.90.147.100]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 02:16:09 +0200 Received: from robert.wyatt by 66-90-147-100.dyn.grandenetworks.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 02:16:09 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org From: Robert T Wyatt Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 19:16:07 -0500 Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 71 Message-ID: <4287E647.1080604@mail.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66-90-147-100.dyn.grandenetworks.net User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Sender: news Subject: midi on mac 2.4.5/2.5.23 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 08:35:08 -0000 I think this is already a known issue, but I thought I would post what I found just in case. with MacOS 10.3.9 and the latest fink installation The file below will make a midi file with lilypond 2.4.5 but has no output with 2.5.23 (no errors, but an empty output file). Also, while I can change instruments, I cannot change the tempo. If there are workarounds, please let me know. Thanks much, Robert ==== enclosed lilypond file %% Thanks to the makers of LilyPond we are able to bring this to you! #(set-default-paper-size "letter") \version "2.4.5" \header { title = "Diamond Bill" subtitle = "(melody only -- for midi output)" composer = "Bob Stillinger" enteredby="Robert Thomas Wyatt" maintainer="robert.wyatt@mail.utexas.edu" style = "Bluegrass" copyright = "All rights reserved. 2005" lastupdated = "2005/May/15" filename = "DiamondBill.ly" } \score { \relative d'' { \time 4/4 \key d \minor \tempo 8 = 40 \set Staff.midiInstrument = "violin" d8. a16~ a8 f16 d16~ d16 d16 f16 a16 d16 c16 bes16 a16 | bes8. f16~ f8 d16 bes16~ bes16 bes16 d16 f16 bes16 a16 g16 f16 | g8. e16~ e8 cis16 a16~ a16 a16 cis16 e16 a16 g16 f16 e16| d16 cis16 d16 e16 f16 e16 f16 g16 a16 g16 a16 b16 cis16 a16 b16 cis16 | d8. a16~ a8 f16 d16~ d16 d16 f16 a16 d16 c16 bes16 a16 | bes8. f16~ f8 d16 bes16~ bes16 bes16 d16 f16 bes16 a16 g16 f16 | g8. e16~ e8 cis16 a16~ a16 a16 cis16 e16 a16 g16 f16 e16| 2. des4 | \bar "||" c8. e16~ e8 g16 c16~ c16 e16 d16 c16 bes16 a16 g16 a16 | f8. a16~ a8 c16 f16~ f16 a16 g16 f16 e16 d16 c16 bes16 | cis,8. e16~ e8 g16 bes16~ bes16 e16 d16 c16 bes16 a16 g16 a16 | f8 a16 e16~ e16 a16 d,8~ d16 a16 bes16 c16 d16 e16 f16 a16 | bes16 f16 d16 f16 bes16 f16 d16 f16 bes16 f16 d16 f16 bes16 f16 d16 f16 | a16 f16 d16 f16 a16 f16 d16 f16 a16 f16 d16 f16 a16 f16 d16 f16 | gis16 f16 b,16 f'16 gis16 f16 b,16 f'16 gis16 f16 b,16 f'16 gis16 f16 b,16 f'16 | g16 a16 g16 f16~ f16 a16 f16 16~ 8. 16~ 4 | \bar "||" d'8. a16~ a8 f16 d16~ d8 d'8 d16 c16 bes16 a16 | bes8. f16~ f8 d16 bes16~ bes8 bes'8 bes16 a16 g16 f16 | g8. e16~ e8 cis16 a16~ a16 a16 gis16 a16 bes16 b16 c16 cis16 |
8. 16~ 8 16 16~ 2 | \bar "|." } \midi { \tempo 8 = 40 } % \layout { } } From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 17 07:02:25 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DXzqA-0005rU-EQ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 07:02:22 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DXzq3-0005pC-R9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 07:02:16 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DXzNe-000224-Mc for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 06:32:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DXzKx-0001X8-8k for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 06:30:07 -0400 Received: from [141.3.10.81] (helo=iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DXzQU-0000m6-Ss for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 06:35:51 -0400 Received: from irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.5]) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1DXzIb-00078H-Rz for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 12:27:47 +0200 Received: from i41pc36.ipd.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.49.176] ident=[U2FsdGVkX1/ftm8SOtYLXKLOWQ7QPqSimrVdMxFRAy0=]) by irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1DXzIa-0003UH-Rq; Tue, 17 May 2005 12:27:40 +0200 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:27:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Juergen Reuter X-X-Sender: reuter@i41pc36.ipd.uni-karlsruhe.de To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -5.8 (-----) Cc: Juergen Reuter Subject: Before 2.6 comes out... X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:02:17 -0000 ... I would like to ask if the e-Mail addresses in the ChangeLog could be either encrypted or replaced by e.g. http addresses. >From carefully analyzing some of the countless spam mails and delivery failure notification mails, it looks like as if the ChangeLog file is one of the major sources for the spam robots. Maybe, for the moment it would suffice to just protect (i.e. cryptify or remove) the addresses on the online version of the ChangeLog file at http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/out-www/ChangeLog.html (and analogously for older versions of lily), but on the long term, I would like to see the e-Mail address banned from the ChangeLog file, since mirror sites may at any time publish a copy of the ChangeLog file from the source tar-ball, and spam robots may start scanning source tar-balls sooner or later (note that e.g. google already indexes g'zipped ps files). What do you think? Greetings, Juergen From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 17 09:32:24 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DY2BI-000788-FS for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 09:32:21 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DY1ji-0002PU-7x for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 09:03:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DXiy3-0000Oa-2T for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 13:01:23 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DXRVz-0004Xg-T1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 18:23:16 -0400 Received: from [85.197.192.10] (helo=mx2.hive.is) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DXRbO-00062W-RR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 18:28:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 21722 invoked from network); 15 May 2005 22:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dhcppc0) (85.197.199.198) by postur.hive.is with SMTP; 15 May 2005 22:19:32 -0000 From: David Bobroff To: lily-devel Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 22:21:08 +0000 Message-Id: <1116195668.4954.10.camel@dhcppc0> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 'make all' fails ChangeLog 1.3620 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bobroff@centrum.is List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:32:04 -0000 Still getting an error on 'make all' but it is not the same error: /usr/src/lilypond/stepmake/stepmake/generic-targets.make:142: out/dummy.dep: No such file or directory please ignore innocent warning about dummy.dep mkdir -p ./out touch ./out/dummy.dep make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/lilypond/ttftool/include' make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/lilypond/ttftool/include' true make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/lilypond/ttftool/include' make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/lilypond/ttftool' make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/lilypond/lily' GNUmakefile:50: *** missing separator. Stop. make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/lilypond/lily' make: *** [all] Error 2 [root@dhcppc0 lilypond]# -David From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 17 14:34:17 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DY6tV-0000Fu-65 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 14:34:17 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DXrv8-0003if-Pp for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 22:34:59 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DXMtM-0002ev-T6 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 13:27:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DXK9r-0005Rt-V4 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 10:31:58 -0400 Received: from [85.197.192.10] (helo=mx2.hive.is) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DXKDV-0006UU-KN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 10:35:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 4262 invoked from network); 15 May 2005 14:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dhcppc0) (85.197.199.198) by postur.hive.is with SMTP; 15 May 2005 14:26:01 -0000 From: David Bobroff To: lily-devel Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 14:28:01 +0000 Message-Id: <1116167281.4954.7.camel@dhcppc0> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 'make all' fails ChangeLog 1.3616 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bobroff@centrum.is List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:16:14 -0000 As the subject line says, current CVS fails with 'make all': > out/lilypond-invoke-editor chmod 755 out/lilypond-invoke-editor /usr/bin/perl /usr/src/lilypond/buildscripts/out/help2man out/lilypond- invoke-editor > out/lilypond-invoke-editor.1 help2man: can't get `--help' info from out/lilypond-invoke-editor make[1]: *** [out/lilypond-invoke-editor.1] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/lilypond/scripts' make: *** [all] Error 2 [root@dhcppc0 lilypond]# -David From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 17 14:42:12 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DXiwl-0008WD-Nq for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 13:00:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DXhxc-0003DT-An for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 11:56:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DXhfR-0000UZ-Ow for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 11:38:06 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DXeH3-00032C-Rq; Mon, 16 May 2005 08:00:42 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DXeMw-0008Mt-B8; Mon, 16 May 2005 08:06:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA5361A9D; Mon, 16 May 2005 13:58:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 29547-03; Mon, 16 May 2005 13:58:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C4361A9E; Mon, 16 May 2005 13:58:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DDB61A9D; Mon, 16 May 2005 13:58:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42888AFF.7010002@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:58:55 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Anderson References: <1116003309.17877.31.camel@groovious> <20050514115414.GR21576@pc6139-c703.uibk.ac.at> <1116082648.17871.37.camel@groovious> In-Reply-To: <1116082648.17871.37.camel@groovious> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Lilypond bug , lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: HorizontalBracket above staff? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 17:00:02 -0000 Workaround: \override HorizontalBracket #'edge-height = #'(-1 . -1) However, I have fixed the bug in CVS. I also added a setting of the staff-padding property by default, so the brackets don't end up inside the stave. /Mats John Anderson wrote: > On Sat, 2005-05-14 at 13:54 +0200, Simon Bailey wrote: > >>On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 06:55:09PM +0200, John Anderson wrote: >> >>>Title says it all, really. How do I position a HorizontalBracket above >>>the staff instead of below? >> >>sorry, i think i may have got it wrong -- the direction should be set to #1 >>rather than #-1 to place the bracket above the staff. > > > Thanks, that partially works. So does \override Staff.HorizontalBracket > #'direction = #UP > > The bracket shows up above the notes, but like \____/ instead of /^^^\. > I'm using latest CVS, updated a few minutes ago. > > bye > John > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 17 14:48:52 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DY77a-0005DG-QP for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 14:48:50 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DY5Wv-000206-ID for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; 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Mon, 16 May 2005 00:43:40 +0300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by baresi.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.6/Submit) id j4FLhe6E031861 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 00:43:40 +0300 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: <1116193419.4287c28be495f@webmail1.hut.fi> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 00:43:39 +0300 (EEST) From: Heikki Johannes Junes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: HUT webmail, IMP 2.2.6 X-Authenticated-Sender: hjunes@cc.hut.fi X-Originating-IP: 81.17.197.24 X-TKK-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.1.2-hutcc at putosiko.hut.fi Subject: \tieDotted (broken) and \tieDashed (missing) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Heikki.Junes@hut.fi List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:47:26 -0000 \tieDotted is broken both in 2.4.* and 2.5.*, try { \tieSolid d2 ~ d4 } Also, \tieDashed is missing; it as as useful as \slurDashed. -- Terveisin Heikki Junes From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 17 17:50:32 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DY9ws-0001D2-6t for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 17:49:58 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DY9wk-00018m-7C for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 17:49:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DY9wh-00017S-Gr for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 17:49:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DY9we-00017A-2L for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 17:49:44 -0400 Received: from [17.250.248.85] (helo=smtpout.mac.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DY84z-0006Eg-MN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 15:50:13 -0400 Received: from mac.com (smtpin02-en2 [10.13.10.147]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout03/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j4HJg6Su013338 for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 12:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.202.20.71] (a17-202-20-71.apple.com [17.202.20.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin02/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j4HJg5lD029144 for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 12:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <200505171938.j4HJc9WX021190@mac.com> References: <200505171938.j4HJc9WX021190@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-612770827 Message-Id: <17821A06-922A-4DEF-89D3-863F45DFDE32@mac.com> From: Matthias Neeracher Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:42:04 -0700 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Subject: midi on mac 2.4.5/2.5.23 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:49:52 -0000 --Apple-Mail-11-612770827 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On May 17, 2005, at 12:38 PM, lilypond-devel-request@gnu.org wrote: > From: Robert T Wyatt > > I think this is already a known issue, but I thought I would post > what I found just in case. > > with MacOS 10.3.9 and the latest fink installation > > The file below will make a midi file with lilypond 2.4.5 but has no > output with 2.5.23 (no errors, but an empty output file). Haven't heard about this before. I find it very unlikely that this would be a platform specific bug, FWIW, as MIDI files are written using very standard C library calls. Matthias --Apple-Mail-11-612770827 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1


= --Apple-Mail-11-612770827-- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 18 03:24:07 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYIuS-0000kB-51 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 03:24:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYIuP-0000ht-Kd for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 03:24:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYIuN-0000g5-Qn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 03:24:00 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYIm5-0007Cn-1g for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 03:15:25 -0400 Received: from [212.227.126.171] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYIgN-0001ET-GI for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 03:09:32 -0400 Received: from p54AFA9E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.175.169.232] (helo=rigel.site) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2Dk-1DYIYN07uO-00046g; Wed, 18 May 2005 09:01:15 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rigel.site (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id j4I64PAw008635 for ; Wed, 18 May 2005 08:04:25 +0200 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:04:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20050518.080425.133181556.wl@gnu.org> To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org From: Werner LEMBERG X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2.50 on Emacs 22.0.50.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:2dc398bc694a1e60948148ba0a42c0da Subject: LSD? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:24:02 -0000 The file `Welcome_to_LilyPond.ly' talks about a `LilyPond LSD program'. What the heck is `LSD'? I strongly suggest to write it out the first time, putting the abbreviation into parentheses. Werner From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 18 04:29:32 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYJvm-0006R8-Bm for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:29:30 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYJvf-0006PE-9d for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:29:23 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYJog-0005Jz-0k for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:22:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYJl6-0004wm-Bn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:18:30 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYJrI-0002yX-Dk for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:24:52 -0400 Received: from pd5mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.232]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGO00HANEZQR7QH@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 02:16:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.7]) by pd5mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGO000HMEZQB8E0@pd5mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 02:16:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGO00741EZQRY@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 02:16:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 01:16:37 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: To: Juergen Reuter Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Before 2.6 comes out... X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:29:25 -0000 On 17-May-05, at 3:27 AM, Juergen Reuter wrote: > ... I would like to ask if the e-Mail addresses in the ChangeLog could > be either encrypted or replaced by e.g. http addresses. This would be nice; could we also protect the Authors page? Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 18 04:59:31 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYKOo-0005pw-63 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:59:30 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYKLh-0005BX-6r for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:56:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYKJh-0004zM-Dk for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:54:15 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYKIg-00038M-BV for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:53:10 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYK0W-00066v-Sh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:34:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8702761A8F; Wed, 18 May 2005 10:26:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 01232-03; Wed, 18 May 2005 10:26:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBAA61A97; Wed, 18 May 2005 10:26:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C79661A8F; Wed, 18 May 2005 10:26:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <428AFC21.8020700@s3.kth.se> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:26:09 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert T Wyatt References: <4287E647.1080604@mail.utexas.edu> In-Reply-To: <4287E647.1080604@mail.utexas.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: midi on mac 2.4.5/2.5.23 X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:59:26 -0000 Read at http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/Creating-MIDI-files.html#Creating-MIDI-files for an explanation. /Mats Robert T Wyatt wrote: > I think this is already a known issue, but I thought I would post what I > found just in case. > > with MacOS 10.3.9 and the latest fink installation > > The file below will make a midi file with lilypond 2.4.5 but has no > output with 2.5.23 (no errors, but an empty output file). Also, while I > can change instruments, I cannot change the tempo. > > If there are workarounds, please let me know. Thanks much, Robert > > ==== enclosed lilypond file > > %% Thanks to the makers of LilyPond we are able to bring this to you! > > #(set-default-paper-size "letter") > > \version "2.4.5" > > \header { > title = "Diamond Bill" > subtitle = "(melody only -- for midi output)" > composer = "Bob Stillinger" > enteredby="Robert Thomas Wyatt" > maintainer="robert.wyatt@mail.utexas.edu" > style = "Bluegrass" > copyright = "All rights reserved. 2005" > lastupdated = "2005/May/15" > filename = "DiamondBill.ly" > } > > \score { > > \relative d'' { > > \time 4/4 \key d \minor \tempo 8 = 40 > \set Staff.midiInstrument = "violin" > > d8. a16~ a8 f16 d16~ d16 d16 f16 a16 d16 c16 bes16 a16 | > bes8. f16~ f8 d16 bes16~ bes16 bes16 d16 f16 bes16 a16 g16 f16 | > g8. e16~ e8 cis16 a16~ a16 a16 cis16 e16 a16 g16 f16 e16| > d16 cis16 d16 e16 f16 e16 f16 g16 a16 g16 a16 b16 cis16 a16 b16 cis16 | > > d8. a16~ a8 f16 d16~ d16 d16 f16 a16 d16 c16 bes16 a16 | > bes8. f16~ f8 d16 bes16~ bes16 bes16 d16 f16 bes16 a16 g16 f16 | > g8. e16~ e8 cis16 a16~ a16 a16 cis16 e16 a16 g16 f16 e16| > 2. des4 | > \bar "||" > > c8. e16~ e8 g16 c16~ c16 e16 d16 c16 bes16 a16 g16 a16 | > f8. a16~ a8 c16 f16~ f16 a16 g16 f16 e16 d16 c16 bes16 | > cis,8. e16~ e8 g16 bes16~ bes16 e16 d16 c16 bes16 a16 g16 a16 | > f8 a16 e16~ e16 a16 d,8~ d16 a16 bes16 c16 d16 e16 f16 a16 | > > bes16 f16 d16 f16 bes16 f16 d16 f16 bes16 f16 d16 f16 bes16 f16 d16 f16 | > a16 f16 d16 f16 a16 f16 d16 f16 a16 f16 d16 f16 a16 f16 d16 f16 | > gis16 f16 b,16 f'16 gis16 f16 b,16 f'16 gis16 f16 b,16 f'16 gis16 f16 > b,16 f'16 | > g16 a16 g16 f16~ f16 a16 f16 16~ 8. 16~ 4 | > \bar "||" > > d'8. a16~ a8 f16 d16~ d8 d'8 d16 c16 bes16 a16 | > bes8. f16~ f8 d16 bes16~ bes8 bes'8 bes16 a16 g16 f16 | > g8. e16~ e8 cis16 a16~ a16 a16 gis16 a16 bes16 b16 c16 cis16 | > 8. 16~ 8 16 16~ 2 | > \bar "|." > } > > \midi { \tempo 8 = 40 } > % \layout { } > } > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 18 04:59:38 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYKHZ-0004gD-LY for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:52:02 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYKHA-0004YZ-3M for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:51:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYKGI-0004Nt-DS for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:50:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYKG2-00038M-K4 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:50:26 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYKME-0003Hg-CZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 04:56:50 -0400 Received: from pd2mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.109]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGO00CNPGGO62E0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 02:48:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.7]) by pd2mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGO00AM8GGOUB50@pd2mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 02:48:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGO0094XGGMQ2@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 02:48:23 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 01:48:21 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <428326E2.2010409@xs4all.nl> To: Han-Wen Nienhuys Message-id: <4defcee7a2d4fe1bd049c481e91b5481@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <87brf9emm1.fsf@peder.flower> <01c4afcf$Blat.v2.2.2$5067fda0@zahav.net.il> <16762.58182.203121.51003@byrd.xs4all.nl> <32DAFFEC-3AC4-11D9-BFF3-000A95DABD74@shaw.ca> <16800.34875.866575.89575@byrd.xs4all.nl> <2c12b9f6fc8b3a4277c04cc54035acb1@shaw.ca> <428326E2.2010409@xs4all.nl> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: cindex, findex, vindex, fooindex X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:51:49 -0000 On 12-May-05, at 2:50 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: > > Should I stop using @cindex for everything? If so, what do I use > > instead? > > have a look at the texinfo manual. @cindex is for concepts (cp), fn > for functions (@findex), etc. Ok... but in lilypond.tely we merge all the indices together. Should I split it up somewhat? IMHO the maximum amount of splitting should be this: findex: commands (ie \foo stuff) tindex (or vindex): properties, contexts (we might want to index #'padding or Score) cindex: everything else If we're going to keep everything as the unified index, I might as well continue using @cindex. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 18 06:52:54 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYM5z-0008Kg-7E for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 06:48:11 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYM5Z-0008El-A3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 06:47:45 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYM5V-0008CJ-S4 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 06:47:43 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYM5V-00086b-2m for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 06:47:41 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.28] (helo=smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYMAH-0006P4-8d for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 06:52:37 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4IAiK7q021010; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:44:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428B1CFC.9050907@xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 12:46:20 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <87brf9emm1.fsf@peder.flower> <01c4afcf$Blat.v2.2.2$5067fda0@zahav.net.il> <16762.58182.203121.51003@byrd.xs4all.nl> <32DAFFEC-3AC4-11D9-BFF3-000A95DABD74@shaw.ca> <16800.34875.866575.89575@byrd.xs4all.nl> <2c12b9f6fc8b3a4277c04cc54035acb1@shaw.ca> <428326E2.2010409@xs4all.nl> <4defcee7a2d4fe1bd049c481e91b5481@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <4defcee7a2d4fe1bd049c481e91b5481@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: cindex, findex, vindex, fooindex X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:47:49 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > > On 12-May-05, at 2:50 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > >> Graham Percival wrote: >> > Should I stop using @cindex for everything? If so, what do I use >> > instead? >> >> have a look at the texinfo manual. @cindex is for concepts (cp), fn >> for functions (@findex), etc. > > > Ok... but in lilypond.tely we merge all the indices together. Should I > split it up > somewhat? > > IMHO the maximum amount of splitting should be this: > findex: commands (ie \foo stuff) > tindex (or vindex): properties, contexts (we might want to index > #'padding or Score) > cindex: everything else > > If we're going to keep everything as the unified index, I might as well > continue > using @cindex. Don't different commands produce different formatting? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 18 07:21:27 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYMcA-0001kt-Ee for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 07:21:26 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYMc1-0001iC-R1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 07:21:18 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYMc0-0001hA-E2 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 07:21:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYMZY-0000qj-CF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 07:18:44 -0400 Received: from [130.238.4.153] (helo=pernis.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYMS3-0001fs-Oc for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 07:11:00 -0400 Received: by pernis.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id 080B82DB; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:02:42 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from pernis.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by pernis.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s381; Wed, 18 May 05 13:02:37 +0200 Received: from tyto.its.uu.se (tyto.its.uu.se [130.238.4.190]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pernis.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8651C6 for ; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:02:36 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by tyto.its.uu.se with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYMIK-0004hN-FP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:00:56 +0200 Received: from dhcp-12-239.it.uu.se (dhcp-12-239.it.uu.se [130.238.12.239]) by webmail.uu.se (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:00:56 +0200 Message-ID: <1116414056.428b20686f25d@webmail.uu.se> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:00:56 +0200 From: Erik Sandberg To: lily-devel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: lilypond-book problems X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:21:18 -0000 Hi, I'm struggling to get lilypond-book to obey me. (using 2.5.21) (this is pretty much a lilypond-user thing, but I'm sending it here since= I suspect some bugs) Problem 1: I'm having a project that is split up into many files: foo.lytex contains the \begin{document} etc, and it \inputs bar.tex which contains some .ly snippets. When I run 'lilypond-book foo.lytex', 'foo.tex' is created, and 'bar.tex'= is processed correctly, but the output is overwriting the original file. I tried renaming bar.tex to bar.lytex, the result was that 'kpsewhich bar= ' fails. The only solution I found, was to rename 'bar.tex' to 'bar', howev= er the next time I run lilypond-book, the old file bar.tex will be used instead. I think this problem is workaroundable in my case, using makefile tricker= y, but if there is a good solution, this should be mentioned in the manual IMHO. Problem 2: One ly snippet looks like this: \begin[quote,fragment]{lilypond} \relative {c4 d e f} \end{lilypond} I don't know if this is a bug, but the .tex output of a snippet looks lik= e: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D \begin{quotation} \end{quotation} {% \parindent 0pt \catcode`\@=3D12 \ifx\preLilyPondExample \undefined \relax \else \preLilyPondExample \fi \def\lilypondbook{}% \input lily-1087040273-systems.tex \ifx\postLilyPondExample \undefined \relax \else \postLilyPondExample \fi } =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This looks like a mistake, shouldn't \end{quotation} be _after_ the snipp= et? Erik From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 18 08:48:23 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYNyI-0005Rj-9F for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 08:48:22 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYNyD-0005Ou-JL for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 08:48:18 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYNyB-0005Nd-9Y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 08:48:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYNyA-0005Hh-Cx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 08:48:14 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYNum-0000qE-ID for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 08:44:44 -0400 Received: from pd4mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr8so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.101]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGO00KMZQY3P2C0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 06:34:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.7]) by pd4mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGO00EYHQY3OKD0@pd4mr8so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 06:34:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGO00D15QY2OX@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 06:34:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 05:34:48 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <428B1CFC.9050907@xs4all.nl> To: Han-Wen Nienhuys Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <87brf9emm1.fsf@peder.flower> <01c4afcf$Blat.v2.2.2$5067fda0@zahav.net.il> <16762.58182.203121.51003@byrd.xs4all.nl> <32DAFFEC-3AC4-11D9-BFF3-000A95DABD74@shaw.ca> <16800.34875.866575.89575@byrd.xs4all.nl> <2c12b9f6fc8b3a4277c04cc54035acb1@shaw.ca> <428326E2.2010409@xs4all.nl> <4defcee7a2d4fe1bd049c481e91b5481@shaw.ca> <428B1CFC.9050907@xs4all.nl> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: cindex, findex, vindex, fooindex X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 12:48:19 -0000 On 18-May-05, at 3:46 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: >> Ok... but in lilypond.tely we merge all the indices together. Should >> I split it up >> somewhat? >> IMHO the maximum amount of splitting should be this: >> findex: commands (ie \foo stuff) >> tindex (or vindex): properties, contexts (we might want to index >> #'padding or Score) >> cindex: everything else >> If we're going to keep everything as the unified index, I might as >> well continue >> using @cindex. > > Don't different commands produce different formatting? No, the @*index commands don't produce anything directly; they're just locations that get pointed to by the index. That's why we have things like @refcommands @cindex @code{tupletUp} @code{\tupletUp} ... - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 18 09:03:34 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYOCz-0004Ds-C5 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 09:03:33 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYOCv-0004Cd-Pl for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 09:03:30 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYOCq-00049p-7j for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 09:03:25 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYOCp-0003yc-Pk for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 09:03:23 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYODG-0006Ef-4r for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 09:03:50 -0400 Received: from pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr4so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.107]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGO00KF0RVCSY10@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 06:54:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.7]) by pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGO00M3XRVCGV50@pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 06:54:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGO00M0XRVB3W@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 06:54:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 05:54:45 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> To: Han-Wen Nienhuys Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:03:31 -0000 On 13-May-05, at 4:44 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: >> If a user wants to see the internals stuff, he clicks on _Arpeggio_. >> The very first line tells >> him that Arpeggio objects are created by Arpeggio_engraver and >> Span_arpeggio_engraver; >> following those links will get him to arpeggio-event. We don't need >> a link to >> arpeggio-event in the refman page about Arpeggios. > > My worry is that encouraging people to find out thngs on their own in > the program-reference on their own might also not be productive. If > you think many links is confusing, than it would be best not to have > them browse the internals page (with its many links.) They don't need to "find" things on their own. The very first link on a grob page is a link to grobEvent. We want a link from the user manual to a useful part of the program reference. But grobEvent isn't very useful. Most of the time that somebody wants to look at the program reference, they want to see the grob's properties. If they need to find out what property the grob belongs to, they can click the grobEvent link from the internals page about grob. Having a link to grobEvent in the user manual isn't very useful, so IMO I should get rid of them. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 18 11:18:55 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYQJy-0006ck-Su for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:18:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYQJw-0006Z0-NK for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:18:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYQJv-0006XA-Fz for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:18:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYQFb-0004NR-St for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:14:23 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.22] (helo=smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYQ95-00063r-7Z; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:07:39 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4IExKLd060285; Wed, 18 May 2005 16:59:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428B58C0.5050403@xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:01:20 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Werner LEMBERG References: <20050518.080425.133181556.wl@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <20050518.080425.133181556.wl@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: LSD? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:18:53 -0000 Werner LEMBERG wrote: > The file `Welcome_to_LilyPond.ly' talks about a `LilyPond LSD > program'. What the heck is `LSD'? I strongly suggest to write it out > the first time, putting the abbreviation into parentheses. fixed. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 18 11:28:50 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYQTY-0000HG-GY for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:28:48 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYQTR-00009f-5B for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:28:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYQTN-00005C-T8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:28:38 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYQTM-0008MU-Jx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:28:36 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYQWf-0005am-NY for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:32:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AF161AA0; Wed, 18 May 2005 17:23:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 10585-02; Wed, 18 May 2005 17:23:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE70261AA1; Wed, 18 May 2005 17:23:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF6E61AA0; Wed, 18 May 2005 17:23:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <428B5DFE.9050202@s3.kth.se> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:23:42 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <87brf9emm1.fsf@peder.flower> <01c4afcf$Blat.v2.2.2$5067fda0@zahav.net.il> <16762.58182.203121.51003@byrd.xs4all.nl> <32DAFFEC-3AC4-11D9-BFF3-000A95DABD74@shaw.ca> <16800.34875.866575.89575@byrd.xs4all.nl> <2c12b9f6fc8b3a4277c04cc54035acb1@shaw.ca> <428326E2.2010409@xs4all.nl> <4defcee7a2d4fe1bd049c481e91b5481@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <4defcee7a2d4fe1bd049c481e91b5481@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: cindex, findex, vindex, fooindex X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:28:44 -0000 By the way, why is the index entitled "Unified Index"? I have never seen this formulation used anywhere else and from the email list, I have got the impression that many people have never realized that the manual has an index. I propose to rename it simply to "Index". /Mats Graham Percival wrote: > > On 12-May-05, at 2:50 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > >> Graham Percival wrote: >> > Should I stop using @cindex for everything? If so, what do I use >> > instead? >> >> have a look at the texinfo manual. @cindex is for concepts (cp), fn >> for functions (@findex), etc. > > > Ok... but in lilypond.tely we merge all the indices together. Should I > split it up > somewhat? > > IMHO the maximum amount of splitting should be this: > findex: commands (ie \foo stuff) > tindex (or vindex): properties, contexts (we might want to index > #'padding or Score) > cindex: everything else > > If we're going to keep everything as the unified index, I might as well > continue > using @cindex. > > Cheers, > - Graham > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 18 12:17:13 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYREO-0000Bq-9s for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:17:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYREK-0000AW-FB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:17:08 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYREG-00009J-J9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:17:06 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYREF-0008Mz-Qq for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:17:03 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYRBX-0003pZ-9Z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:14:15 -0400 Received: from pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.212]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGP00K350PWS7D0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 10:05:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGP0040M0PVL7J0@pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 10:05:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGP0090M0PVCY@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 10:05:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:05:54 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: @commonprop X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:17:09 -0000 I've added a new macro to the docs; @commonprop (commonly tweaked properties). The docs have a few examples of tweaked properties (ie \set Staff.extraNatural == #f in the Pitches section); I'll be moving all those examples into @commonprop sections below the main manual section. See "6.1 Note entry" in CVS for examples. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 18 13:56:34 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYSmY-0005IX-La for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:56:34 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYREB-000076-TZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:16:59 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYRE7-0008Vw-MU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:16:56 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYRE7-0008Mz-4Q for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:16:55 -0400 Received: from [24.214.63.101] (helo=smtp.knology.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYRFT-00056l-AT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:18:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 8761 invoked by uid 0); 18 May 2005 16:09:58 -0000 Received: from user-24-214-73-158.knology.net (HELO Notebook) (24.214.73.158) by smtp1.knology.net with SMTP; 18 May 2005 16:09:58 -0000 From: "Fairchild" To: , Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:09:58 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c55bc4$09af53d0$6501a8c0@Notebook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <5e85c0731caf7c0c7000751d301f5659@shaw.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:56:33 -0400 Cc: Subject: RE: Distance between staves X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:17:02 -0000 Feature request - - Several recent threads demonstrate a desire for absolute control of = vertical spacing. =20 Available defaults and overrides normally create wonderful layouts, but there are instances where they frustrate user efforts to effect specific vertical spacing. Currently available handles include = betweensystempadding, betweensystemspace, Staff minimumVerticalExtent, and careful use of = \raise as in \markup { "" \raise #n "" }. Only the awkward markup construct is line specific. In combination, these behave somewhat unpredictably. The need is an ability to dictate precise vertical layouts, line by = line, even if this provides control ad absurdum. - Bruce From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 19 05:50:14 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYhfR-00078t-UL for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 05:50:14 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYhfO-000780-Bi for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 05:50:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYhfN-00077V-2U for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 05:50:09 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYhfM-00075u-Q1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 05:50:08 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.23] (helo=smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYhkx-0008DD-Au for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 05:55:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4J9lFp2041891; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:47:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428C611D.4080107@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:49:17 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Reuter References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Before 2.6 comes out... X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 09:50:11 -0000 Juergen Reuter wrote: > ... I would like to ask if the e-Mail addresses in the ChangeLog could > be either encrypted or replaced by e.g. http addresses. > >> From carefully analyzing some of the countless spam mails and delivery > > failure notification mails, it looks like as if the ChangeLog file is > one of the major sources for the spam robots. Maybe, for the moment it > would suffice to just protect (i.e. cryptify or remove) the addresses on > the online version of the ChangeLog file at > http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/out-www/ChangeLog.html > (and analogously for older versions of lily), but on the long term, I Removing the ChangeLog might be a good idea anyway, since it is not of much use for users. However, I oppose to scrambling email addresses everywhere. It doesn't solve the problem of spam and worm-mail (your address is broadcast via the mailinglist to virus-infested platforms anyway), and it makes our job as maintainers harder. If you have a lot of spam, you should consider using automated filters (eg. spamassassin or thunderbird junkmail controls.) -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 19 05:51:05 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYhgG-0007It-Jb for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 05:51:04 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYhgE-0007IG-RM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 05:51:02 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYhgD-0007Hp-MH for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 05:51:02 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYhgD-00075u-7C for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 05:51:01 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYhk8-00083v-0f for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 05:55:04 -0400 Received: from pd5mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.144]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGQ008SQDSUL4A0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 03:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml1so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.145]) by pd5mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGQ00ENADSU4S80@pd5mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 03:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGQ00E24DSUUF@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 03:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 02:46:04 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <428B5DFE.9050202@s3.kth.se> To: Mats Bengtsson Message-id: <4ef86c01831c1072d7ac61100f7bce15@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <87brf9emm1.fsf@peder.flower> <01c4afcf$Blat.v2.2.2$5067fda0@zahav.net.il> <16762.58182.203121.51003@byrd.xs4all.nl> <32DAFFEC-3AC4-11D9-BFF3-000A95DABD74@shaw.ca> <16800.34875.866575.89575@byrd.xs4all.nl> <2c12b9f6fc8b3a4277c04cc54035acb1@shaw.ca> <428326E2.2010409@xs4all.nl> <4defcee7a2d4fe1bd049c481e91b5481@shaw.ca> <428B5DFE.9050202@s3.kth.se> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: cindex, findex, vindex, fooindex X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 09:51:03 -0000 On 18-May-05, at 8:23 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > By the way, why is the index entitled "Unified Index"? > I have never seen this formulation used anywhere else > and from the email list, I have got the impression that > many people have never realized that the manual has an > index. I propose to rename it simply to "Index". Done, thanks. - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 19 07:13:50 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYiyL-0002AH-Dy for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 07:13:49 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYiyI-00026q-G1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 07:13:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYiyG-00023p-Sq for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 07:13:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYixG-0000kz-Pm for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 07:12:42 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYizE-00038U-Kx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 07:14:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEF161A97; Thu, 19 May 2005 13:06:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 25768-06; Thu, 19 May 2005 13:06:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4359261A98; Thu, 19 May 2005 13:06:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3219761A97; Thu, 19 May 2005 13:06:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <428C7324.6030304@s3.kth.se> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 13:06:12 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han-Wen Nienhuys References: <428C611D.4080107@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <428C611D.4080107@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Juergen Reuter Subject: Re: Before 2.6 comes out... X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:13:47 -0000 Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Removing the ChangeLog might be a good idea anyway, since it is not of > much use for users. However, I oppose to scrambling email addresses > everywhere. It doesn't solve the problem of spam and worm-mail (your > address is broadcast via the mailinglist to virus-infested platforms > anyway), and it makes our job as maintainers harder. If you have a lot > of spam, you should consider using automated filters (eg. spamassassin > or thunderbird junkmail controls.) Please keep copies of earlier versions of the ChangeLog and NEWS files in the source tar ball. At least the NEWS files between 1.4 and 2.4 are missing in Documentation/misc/ for the moment. /Mats From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 19 07:28:14 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYjCG-0000i2-E5 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 07:28:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYjCC-0000fh-RN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 07:28:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYjCB-0000em-6S for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 07:28:07 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYjCA-00084W-CM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 07:28:06 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.34] (helo=smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYjDb-00071a-DA for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 07:29:35 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4JBL5gb065475; Thu, 19 May 2005 13:21:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428C771B.3090500@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 13:23:07 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mats Bengtsson References: <428C611D.4080107@xs4all.nl> <428C7324.6030304@s3.kth.se> In-Reply-To: <428C7324.6030304@s3.kth.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Juergen Reuter Subject: Re: Before 2.6 comes out... X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:28:10 -0000 Mats Bengtsson wrote: > > > Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > >> Removing the ChangeLog might be a good idea anyway, since it is not of >> much use for users. However, I oppose to scrambling email addresses >> everywhere. It doesn't solve the problem of spam and worm-mail (your >> address is broadcast via the mailinglist to virus-infested platforms >> anyway), and it makes our job as maintainers harder. If you have a lot >> of spam, you should consider using automated filters (eg. spamassassin >> or thunderbird junkmail controls.) > > > Please keep copies of earlier versions of the ChangeLog and NEWS files > in the source tar ball. At least the NEWS files between 1.4 and 2.4 > are missing in Documentation/misc/ for the moment. This is a little problematic. As of 2.5, the NEWS file also has snippets of music, which are compiled with one release. It might not be possible to keep the NEWS entry for 2.6 factually correct while also keeping it compilable with 2.8. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 19 07:36:47 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYjKZ-0004QX-01 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 07:36:47 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYjKV-0004Oh-BZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 07:36:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYjKU-0004OB-2N for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 07:36:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYjKT-0003ve-RQ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 07:36:41 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYjL0-0000SQ-9b for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 07:37:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE1261A97; Thu, 19 May 2005 13:28:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 26209-03; Thu, 19 May 2005 13:28:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2E361A98; Thu, 19 May 2005 13:28:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE5061A97; Thu, 19 May 2005 13:28:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <428C786B.8040007@s3.kth.se> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 13:28:43 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han-Wen Nienhuys References: <428C611D.4080107@xs4all.nl> <428C7324.6030304@s3.kth.se> <428C771B.3090500@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <428C771B.3090500@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Juergen Reuter Subject: Re: Before 2.6 comes out... X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:36:44 -0000 Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Mats Bengtsson wrote: > >> >> >> Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >> >>> Removing the ChangeLog might be a good idea anyway, since it is not >>> of much use for users. However, I oppose to scrambling email >>> addresses everywhere. It doesn't solve the problem of spam and >>> worm-mail (your address is broadcast via the mailinglist to >>> virus-infested platforms anyway), and it makes our job as maintainers >>> harder. If you have a lot of spam, you should consider using >>> automated filters (eg. spamassassin or thunderbird junkmail controls.) >> >> >> >> Please keep copies of earlier versions of the ChangeLog and NEWS files >> in the source tar ball. At least the NEWS files between 1.4 and 2.4 >> are missing in Documentation/misc/ for the moment. > > > This is a little problematic. As of 2.5, the NEWS file also has snippets > of music, which are compiled with one release. It might not be possible > to keep the NEWS entry for 2.6 factually correct while also keeping it > compilable with 2.8. I don't really mind if the files are only available in the form of .tely files. At least I would still find them useful from time to time, For example when answering questions on the mailing list from users who have an old installation or who have troubles when updating old input files, the NEWS files provides excellent reminders of what features appeared when. Actually, in a way I prefer if the syntax of the examples in the .tely file isn't updated, since then I can also use them to remember what the syntax looked like at that time. As long as you keep the old documentation web pages available on-line, the information is certainly available there, but I would prefer to be able to also use grep in the source code directory tree when searching for information. /Mats From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 19 10:52:44 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYmOC-0007Fo-Jn for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 10:52:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYmO4-0007DC-Vq for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 10:52:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYmO3-0007Bt-2W for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 10:52:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYmO2-00078z-JP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 10:52:34 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.112] (helo=BAY0-SMTP05.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYmSd-000571-SK for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 10:57:20 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.177.184] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.177.184]) by BAY0-SMTP05.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 19 May 2005 07:48:42 -0700 Message-ID: <003601c55c81$da178c00$b8b10443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Graham Percival" , "Han-Wen Nienhuys" References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 09:48:35 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2005 14:48:43.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA847EA0:01C55C81] Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:52:38 -0000 Graham, That was my thought exactly, except instead of saying 'get rid of' I would have said 'replace'. For instance, in 5.7.4 Metronome marks, 'See also' points to MetronomeChangeEvent. Why not replace that with MetronomeMark? In the MetronomeChangeEvent page, I click on Metronome_mark_engraver and from there MetronomeMark. It is nice that the program reference is so well cross-referenced, but as a new user who is studying the documentation, I spend some time trying to understand why I was sent to the event page first and how I can use the information on that page to write my lilypond files. The person putting the documentation together is a teacher. And the teacher is implying to the newbie that he should learn how to use MetronomeChangeEvent before he learns how to use MetronomeMark. Well, not you personally, but the documentation is how we learn to use Lilypond. I still do not understand how to use the information o the MetronomeChangeEvent page or any event page to write Lilypond files better. As long as I am getting a little philosophical, I want to bring to the developers attention something that concerns me. In 1.4 Music representation there is the following quote: >We write a program capable of producing sheet music, and adjust the format >to be as lean as possible. When the format can no longer be trimmed down, >by definition we are left with content itself. Our program serves as a >formal definition of a music document.> I wonder if all the developers are still on board with the goal of keeping the format 'as lean as possible'? Another interesting quote (from 1.5 Example applications): >We have written LilyPond as an experiment of how to condense the art of >music engraving into a computer program. Thanks to all that hard work, the >program can now be used to perform useful tasks.> This is writtien almost as if performing a useful task is of secondary importance to condensing the art of music engraving. I am sure this is written this way in order to maintain a sense of humility and it is well written, but still we have 'condensed' and 'lean' as words defining the purpose and goal of writing Lilypond and for Lilypond. My take on it is anyone who joins these two in developing Lilypond, should first adopt their philosophy. And finally, another important quote (from 1.2 Automated engraging) that defines a goal I am not sure all the developers are on board with: >Over the course of years, the software can be refined to do more and more >automatically, so manual overrides are less and less necessary.> Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Percival" To: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" Cc: "lily-devel" Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:54 AM Subject: Re: Another documentation issue > > On 13-May-05, at 4:44 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > >> Graham Percival wrote: >>> If a user wants to see the internals stuff, he clicks on _Arpeggio_. >>> The very first line tells >>> him that Arpeggio objects are created by Arpeggio_engraver and >>> Span_arpeggio_engraver; >>> following those links will get him to arpeggio-event. We don't need a >>> link to >>> arpeggio-event in the refman page about Arpeggios. >> >> My worry is that encouraging people to find out thngs on their own in the >> program-reference on their own might also not be productive. If you think >> many links is confusing, than it would be best not to have them browse >> the internals page (with its many links.) > > They don't need to "find" things on their own. The very first link on a > grob page is a link > to grobEvent. > > We want a link from the user manual to a useful part of the program > reference. But > grobEvent isn't very useful. Most of the time that somebody wants to look > at the > program reference, they want to see the grob's properties. If they need > to find out > what property the grob belongs to, they can click the grobEvent link from > the > internals page about grob. > > Having a link to grobEvent in the user manual isn't very useful, so IMO I > should > get rid of them. > > Cheers, > - Graham > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 19 11:18:21 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYmmy-0003EM-JT for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:18:20 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYmmu-0003Bz-Od for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:18:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYmmq-0003BP-1n for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:18:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYmmp-00032u-Kf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:18:11 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYmlD-00031U-He for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:16:31 -0400 Received: from pd5mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.233]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGQ00HSCSMJGPN1@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 09:06:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.152]) by pd5mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGQ008UDSMJ2U60@pd5mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 09:06:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGQ00D9TSMJA5@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 09:06:19 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:06:17 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: To: Stephen Message-id: <29f668fc5880c69106174e117b52feb7@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:18:17 -0000 On 19-May-05, at 7:48 AM, Stephen wrote: > For instance, in 5.7.4 Metronome marks, 'See also' points to > MetronomeChangeEvent. Why not replace that with MetronomeMark? In the > MetronomeChangeEvent page, I click on Metronome_mark_engraver and from > there MetronomeMark. Currently Metronome Marks is section number 8.3.1, and it contains MetronomeChangeEvent and MetronomeMark. I'm proposing that we eliminate the MetronomeChangeEvent and leave the MetornomeMark. >> We write a program capable of producing sheet music, and adjust the >> format to be as lean as possible. When the format can no longer be >> trimmed down, by definition we are left with content itself. Our >> program serves as a formal definition of a music document.> > > I wonder if all the developers are still on board with the goal of > keeping the format 'as lean as possible'? Sorry, I'm lost. Do you have any specific examples of un-lean format? Or of any of your complaints? I suppose that the leanest-possible format would look like bad perl code -- after all, why write "\new Staff" when we could use "&@" instead. So I'd say that we try to be lean yet still understandable. :) Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 19 11:36:55 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYn4v-0007I8-F0 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:36:53 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYn4q-0007Dy-Hn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:36:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYn4l-0007Bk-TL for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:36:44 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYn4l-00079q-GR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:36:43 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.32] (helo=smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYnAk-0002WR-4V for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:42:54 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4JFYM5o031811; Thu, 19 May 2005 17:34:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428CB278.5080300@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:36:24 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:36:52 -0000 Stephen wrote: > I wonder if all the developers are still on board with the goal of > keeping the format 'as lean as possible'? > > written, but still we have 'condensed' and 'lean' as words defining the > purpose and goal of writing Lilypond and for Lilypond. My take on it is > anyone who joins these two in developing Lilypond, should first adopt > their philosophy. > > And finally, another important quote (from 1.2 Automated engraging) that > defines a goal I am not sure all the developers are on board with: Can you be specific about your gripes? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 19 11:42:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYnAf-0001dx-C3 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:42:49 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYnAa-0001at-EH for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:42:44 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYnAX-0001ZG-Mr for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:42:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYnAX-0001Xn-5I for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:42:41 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.34] (helo=smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYnFP-00048M-CR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:47:43 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4JFdB1i018592; Thu, 19 May 2005 17:39:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428CB399.1040207@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:41:13 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> <29f668fc5880c69106174e117b52feb7@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <29f668fc5880c69106174e117b52feb7@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:42:45 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: >> For instance, in 5.7.4 Metronome marks, 'See also' points to >> MetronomeChangeEvent. Why not replace that with MetronomeMark? In the >> MetronomeChangeEvent page, I click on Metronome_mark_engraver and from >> there MetronomeMark. > > > Currently Metronome Marks is section number 8.3.1, and it contains > MetronomeChangeEvent and MetronomeMark. I'm proposing that we eliminate > the MetronomeChangeEvent and leave the MetornomeMark. OK, I'm convinced. We can scrap all the Event links, but there should be a new section inserted on \displayMusic. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 19 14:41:33 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYpxb-0000EB-7v for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 14:41:31 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYpxN-0000BD-7x for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 14:41:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYpxJ-00008y-62 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 14:41:13 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYpxI-0008Lr-3a for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 14:41:12 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYpkx-0006GN-TP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 14:28:28 -0400 Received: from pd3mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.179]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGR00HNE1L6GP12@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 12:19:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml1so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.145]) by pd3mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGR0002U1L6WXC0@pd3mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 12:19:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGR00H1W1L6MI@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 12:19:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:19:52 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: <492fa3c608047242b43977439798a763@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: (Unified) index X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:41:18 -0000 Changelog-2.1: 2003-09-27 Han-Wen Nienhuys * scripts/lilypond.py (escape_path): escape quotes too. * Documentation/user/lilypond.tely (Unified index): rename Index to accomodate Windows breakage. Can anybody remember why "Index" produces breakage on Windows? Does this still apply? I think that "Index" is a better name than "Unified index", but if that causes problems, I have no trouble staying with "Unified index". Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 19 15:41:01 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYqtA-0008DF-Ca for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:41:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYqt7-0008Bg-1m for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:40:57 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYqt2-00089g-Re for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:40:53 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYqt2-00087X-BW for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:40:52 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.32] (helo=smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYqyJ-0001vj-TO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:46:20 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.162] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4JJbjJO020623; Thu, 19 May 2005 21:37:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) In-Reply-To: <492fa3c608047242b43977439798a763@shaw.ca> References: <492fa3c608047242b43977439798a763@shaw.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <57cb7abe78ab5903980406acf40e08c4@xs4all.nl> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Han-Wen Nienhuys Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:34:12 +0200 To: Graham Percival X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: (Unified) index X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 19:40:58 -0000 Op 19-mei-05 om 20:19 heeft Graham Percival het volgende geschreven: > Changelog-2.1: > 2003-09-27 Han-Wen Nienhuys > > * scripts/lilypond.py (escape_path): escape quotes too. > > * Documentation/user/lilypond.tely (Unified index): rename > Index > to accomodate Windows breakage. > > Can anybody remember why "Index" produces breakage on Windows? Does > this still apply? I think that "Index" is a better name than "Unified > index", but > if that causes problems, I have no trouble staying with "Unified > index". > Index = index on windows as well as macos. If not renamed, the Index.html file will overwrite index.html, which is used for the toplevel file (think of the case of serving the manual as webpages) -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@lilypond.org LilyPond Software Design - http://www.lilypond-design.com From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 19 16:44:23 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYrjZ-00057m-Pf for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 16:35:09 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYrjG-00052v-Oy for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 16:34:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYrjA-00050z-Iz for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 16:34:44 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYrj9-0004rX-Kb for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 16:34:43 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.116] (helo=BAY0-SMTP09.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYrRQ-0002Tm-NJ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 16:16:24 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.172.158] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.172.158]) by BAY0-SMTP09.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 19 May 2005 13:07:48 -0700 Message-ID: <006501c55cae$6d833f30$b8b10443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> <428CB278.5080300@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:07:38 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2005 20:07:49.0114 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E193DA0:01C55CAE] Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 20:35:08 -0000 I think my main gripe is that there may be a trend towards catering to the requests of the user. Ideally, Lilypond should be made incapable of producing bad output. That means limiting the options and choices given to the user. Usually I applaud when a developer responds to a user. But some users are ignorant of what music engraving should look like. Catering to such a users requests makes Lilypond look bad. Instead Lilypond is in a position to educate the public concerning good music engraving practices. I look forward to the day when there are alternate sets of fonts besides the Feta font, but I do not look forward to a day when it is easy to mix the fonts since they will only be made to look good with themselves, for instance. Lilypond's ultumate goal is to enable better perfomances: >better typography translates to better performances> Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" To: "Stephen" Cc: "Graham Percival" ; "lily-devel" Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Another documentation issue > > Stephen wrote: >> I wonder if all the developers are still on board with the goal of >> keeping the format 'as lean as possible'? > > >> written, but still we have 'condensed' and 'lean' as words defining the >> purpose and goal of writing Lilypond and for Lilypond. My take on it is >> anyone who joins these two in developing Lilypond, should first adopt >> their philosophy. >> >> And finally, another important quote (from 1.2 Automated engraging) that >> defines a goal I am not sure all the developers are on board with: > > Can you be specific about your gripes? > > -- > Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 19 17:50:14 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYsuD-000131-N2 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 17:50:13 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYspZ-0007qq-JX for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 17:45:26 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYspK-0007kj-NW for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 17:45:13 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYspG-0007aA-OL for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 17:45:06 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.32] (helo=smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYsga-000126-0F for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 17:36:08 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4JLRWWR094963; Thu, 19 May 2005 23:27:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428D053F.60307@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 23:29:35 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> <428CB278.5080300@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:50:10 -0000 Stephen wrote: > I think my main gripe is that there may be a trend towards catering to > the requests of the user. Ideally, Lilypond should be made incapable of > producing bad output. That means limiting the options and choices given > to the user. I disagree with your reasoning, but that is besides the point: what are you specifically complaining of - or aren't you complaining? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 19 23:10:50 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DYxuU-00070P-Mh for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 23:10:50 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYxuQ-0006yo-Qc for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 23:10:47 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYxuL-0006vg-UO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 23:10:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYxuK-0006ug-R3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 23:10:40 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.115] (helo=BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYxyD-0003Xx-MP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 23:14:41 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.181.251] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.181.251]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 19 May 2005 20:06:00 -0700 Message-ID: <006a01c55ce8$d9e6d940$b8b10443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Graham Percival" References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> <29f668fc5880c69106174e117b52feb7@shaw.ca> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 22:05:57 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2005 03:06:01.0608 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA63F880:01C55CE8] Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 03:10:48 -0000 >Currently Metronome Marks is section number 8.3.1> Yes, but I am looking at the documentation currently online. It is just an example, I not trying to point out a problem that you have already solved > Do you have any specific examples of un-lean format?> I am quoting from the documentation. I can't defend words that are not my own. 'lean' should be clear from the context. I am suggesting that developers use some of the prefatory comments in the documentation as programming guidelines. But is really is up to the individual programmer to determine what that means or what impact if any that has on his programming style. I see individual cases where I question whether the goal of keeping Lilypond lean is being kept in mind. Lean means to me don't give the user more than one way to do the same thing for instance. If there is something wrong with the way a user has to do something, just change it, instead of adding to it. Isn't this why Lilypond is not backward compatible? to avoid allowing the code getting bloated? I am really only suggesting that not all developers are coding with the exact same philosophy in mind and that that is not good for Lilypond in general. I hope no one takes this as a critisicm. There are a lot of coding styles and philosophies, but when I went to college for computer programming, I was told that if I join a project in mid-stream, I should try to adopt the coding style of the program already established. So I am thinking that the Introduction in the documentation might contain some hints on the coding style and philosophy of the original writers of the documentation and program. Hints that might still be valid today, although I am not sure about that, Lilypond is changing and perhaps there is a conscious choice to change the philosophy. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Percival" To: "Stephen" Cc: "lily-devel" ; "Han-Wen Nienhuys" Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:06 AM Subject: Re: Another documentation issue > > On 19-May-05, at 7:48 AM, Stephen wrote: >> For instance, in 5.7.4 Metronome marks, 'See also' points to >> MetronomeChangeEvent. Why not replace that with MetronomeMark? In the >> MetronomeChangeEvent page, I click on Metronome_mark_engraver and from >> there MetronomeMark. > > Currently Metronome Marks is section number 8.3.1, and it contains > MetronomeChangeEvent and MetronomeMark. I'm proposing that we eliminate > the MetronomeChangeEvent and leave the MetornomeMark. > >>> We write a program capable of producing sheet music, and adjust the >>> format to be as lean as possible. When the format can no longer be >>> trimmed down, by definition we are left with content itself. Our program >>> serves as a formal definition of a music document.> >> >> I wonder if all the developers are still on board with the goal of >> keeping the format 'as lean as possible'? > > Sorry, I'm lost. Do you have any specific examples of un-lean format? Or > of any of > your complaints? > > I suppose that the leanest-possible format would look like bad perl > code -- after all, > why write "\new Staff" when we could use "&@" instead. So I'd say that we > try to > be lean yet still understandable. :) > > Cheers, > - Graham > From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 02:10:45 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ0iY-0006r8-KR for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 02:10:43 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ0iF-0006o7-SF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 02:10:24 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ0iB-0006nQ-LL for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 02:10:20 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ0i8-0006lT-9D for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 02:10:16 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.109] (helo=BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ0nT-0001UH-72 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 02:15:47 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.154.240] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.154.240]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 19 May 2005 23:07:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c55d02$24288440$f09a0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> <428CB278.5080300@xs4all.nl> <428D053F.60307@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 01:06:53 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2005 06:07:04.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[24F52310:01C55D02] Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 06:10:27 -0000 What I am saying is I am intrigued and impressed by the statement: Lilypond serves as a formal definition of a music document. I think this is a good goal and I serious when I say it is a superior goal to the goal of making Lilypond useful. That goal is too broad and invites the question 'Useful for what?'. If Lilypond is meant to demonstrate the art of music engraving, if it is meant to recapture a lost art as it was practiced before the computer age, if it is meant to improve musical performances, then it should educate the user rather than allow the user to dictate to it. Meaning there is a downside to Lilypond being bigger and more powerful and more responsive to the user's demands. The vast majority of the time, bigger is better. But the average user may not be an expert music engraver and would make mistakes if Lilypond let him. I don't see a clear definition of what constitutes an improvement of Lilypond or statement of purpose other than what I read in the introduction, I would feel better if the developers were working from some definition of Lilypond and actively referred to it and reminded each other of it while they discuss the details. Something as simple as 'Remember that Lilypond is not meant to create sheetmusic, but to impove musical performances'. In other words I don't see any leadership here, but I think the introduction serves as a manifesto and a call to action. My only gripe is I don't think the developers regard it as such. Which I don't understand, because I think it is more exciting to develop a program which is more specific, rather than, say, a notation program. Lilypond is not a notation program, it is a music engraving program with the specific goal of improving the lot of musicians and their performances. The developers of Lilypond recognize that in rare instances there is a difference between meeting the needs of the user as a musician rather than as an engraver. Something along these lines, something that would bring Lilypond development into sharp focus would be good for it. If all else fails, simply defining who the user is would do it. Lilypond was originally developed for a certain kind of user. In fact, it was written for only one person. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" To: "Stephen" Cc: "Graham Percival" ; "lily-devel" Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: Re: Another documentation issue > Stephen wrote: >> I think my main gripe is that there may be a trend towards catering to >> the requests of the user. Ideally, Lilypond should be made incapable of >> producing bad output. That means limiting the options and choices given >> to the user. > > I disagree with your reasoning, but that is besides the point: what are > you specifically complaining of - or aren't you complaining? > > > > -- > Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 02:57:48 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ1S6-00030d-9M for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 02:57:46 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ1Ry-0002z1-Pu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 02:57:39 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ1QK-0001z5-S0 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 02:55:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ1PL-0000Rf-Ck for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 02:54:55 -0400 Received: from [212.227.126.187] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ0sk-0002zD-8P for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 02:21:14 -0400 Received: from p54AF90C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.175.144.194] (helo=rigel.site) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1DZ0kL1gjs-00034h; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:12:33 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rigel.site (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id j4K65gAw029038 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:05:42 +0200 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:05:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20050520.080541.252970653.wl@gnu.org> To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org From: Werner LEMBERG X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2.50 on Emacs 22.0.50.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:2dc398bc694a1e60948148ba0a42c0da Subject: FontConfig cache warning X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 06:57:40 -0000 I now always get this: warning: FontConfig cache out of date. 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Werner From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 03:57:44 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ2O8-0004W6-KR for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:57:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ2O5-0004Ul-Tc for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:57:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ2NJ-0003wh-TZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:56:54 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ2MO-0002k6-CT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:55:57 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ29C-0006dr-PK for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:42:19 -0400 Received: from pd5mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr7so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.183]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00KZ22BOMGE0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 01:33:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd5mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00C0A2BLCL00@pd5mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 01:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00B0E2BKX2@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 01:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 00:33:19 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: To: Stephen Message-id: <120a3ac210d027bca169318ca914a40e@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> <428CB278.5080300@xs4all.nl> <428D053F.60307@xs4all.nl> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 07:57:42 -0000 On 19-May-05, at 11:06 PM, Stephen wrote: > If Lilypond is meant to demonstrate the art of music engraving, if it > is meant to recapture a lost art as it was practiced before the > computer age, if it is meant to improve musical performances, then it > should educate the user rather than allow the user to dictate to it. > Meaning there is a downside to Lilypond being bigger and more powerful > and more responsive to the user's demands. The vast majority of the > time, bigger is better. But the average user may not be an expert > music engraver and would make mistakes if Lilypond let him. Have you read some LaTeX manuals? If not, I highly recommend reading one; have a look at the discussion about margins. Changing the margins (at least, making it "1 inch" as is common in Word) isn't recommended from a typographical point of view. But many users want that (at least when they first begin using LaTeX) -- including myself. Mostly because I was using it for university essays, and I knew that everybody else was using Word (with small margins) and I didn't want it to look as if I was padding my essays. :) My point is that LaTeX lets the user do whatever he wants (including shooting himself in the foot), but the manual warns the user not to do so. LilyPond should do the same thing. Any education of the user should happen in the manual. Now, if you have any specific recommendations for user-education, please tell me. I'm always happy to include people's patches to the docs. > I don't see a clear definition of what constitutes an improvement of > Lilypond or statement of purpose other than what I read in the > introduction, OK, that's enough. LilyPond is an open-source project. The contributors, be it Han-Wen and Jan working on internals, Mats answering questions, or me writing docs, work on whatever itch they want to scratch. I'm currently editing the "basic notation" chapter. Not because I think that's what the docs need the most (that would probably be clarifying the "global issues" chapter), but because I'm a neat freak. You may also want to read "Cathedral and the Bazaar", by ESR. That deals with the whole "leadership" issue. > Which I don't understand, because I think it is more exciting to > develop a program which is more specific, rather than, say, a notation > program. Patches, be it to documentation or code, are always appreciated. Let your excitement run wild. - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 03:58:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ2Oz-000577-7m for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:58:37 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ2NS-00047q-OW for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:57:03 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ2NL-0003xV-2y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:56:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ2MI-0002k6-CO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:55:50 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ2BM-0007KP-6U for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:44:32 -0400 Received: from pd3mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.178]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS009AU2FBFX00@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 01:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd3mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00CN12FBS5I0@pd3mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 01:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00C162FB5D@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 01:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 00:35:34 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: To: Stephen Message-id: <1b7cf4f7a8143f5f311d18dfb426d567@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> <29f668fc5880c69106174e117b52feb7@shaw.ca> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 07:58:35 -0000 On 19-May-05, at 8:05 PM, Stephen wrote: >> Currently Metronome Marks is section number 8.3.1> > > Yes, but I am looking at the documentation currently online. It is > just an example, I not trying to point out a problem that you have > already solved So was I. http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/ Metronome-marks.html - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 05:09:17 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3VB-0001Hg-6B for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:09:05 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3Ug-0000ly-Ba for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:08:34 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3Ua-0000Xb-8I for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:08:28 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3K1-0007mU-WD for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 04:57:36 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.33] (helo=smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ3OA-0003yG-3n; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:01:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4K8r52h013213; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:53:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428DA5EC.1090705@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:55:08 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Werner LEMBERG References: <20050520.080541.252970653.wl@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <20050520.080541.252970653.wl@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: FontConfig cache warning X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 09:09:00 -0000 Werner LEMBERG wrote: > I now always get this: > > warning: FontConfig cache out of date. Rebuilding may take some time. > > even if I don't have changed or moved any font. this is what if (!FcInit ()) error (_ ("initializing FontConfig")); FcChar8 *cache = FcConfigGetCache (fcc); if (!FcDirCacheValid (cache)) { warning (_ ("FontConfig cache out of date. Rebuilding may take some time.")); } produces, I don't know what to do else. MAybe I should scrap the warning, and hope that not too many people have cjk fonts ? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 05:10:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3Vj-0001vX-6K for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:09:39 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3Uu-00015I-TP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:08:49 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3UA-000077-Pf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:08:15 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3Rn-0007mU-Nl for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:05:36 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.21] (helo=smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ3YL-0006zh-0v for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:12:21 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4K93ZEe017378; Fri, 20 May 2005 11:03:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428DA863.4080006@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:05:39 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> <29f668fc5880c69106174e117b52feb7@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 09:09:31 -0000 Stephen wrote: > developers use some of the prefatory comments in the documentation as > programming guidelines. But is really is up to the individual programmer No, the manual is not the place for communicating with programmers. If you want to join development, that's great. Just dive in, and we'll give you instructions while you're busy. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 05:11:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3Wq-00035b-C5 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:10:48 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3Uq-0000y9-5K for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:08:44 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3UA-00007n-VO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:08:17 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3Ju-0007mU-5j for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 04:57:28 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ3OH-00040q-H3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:01:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD5E61A98; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:53:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 10686-09; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:53:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF39B61A8B; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:53:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9990D61A9F; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:53:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <428DA578.9020404@s3.kth.se> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:53:12 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> <428CB278.5080300@xs4all.nl> <428D053F.60307@xs4all.nl> <120a3ac210d027bca169318ca914a40e@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <120a3ac210d027bca169318ca914a40e@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 09:10:46 -0000 In addition: My experience is that Han-Wen and Jan are more strict about what can be added to the program than I have seen in any other open source project (which of course should be considered a positive comment). In addition to using the manual to teach about engraving practice, the default layout given by the program should also adhere to good engraving practice as far as possible. In other words, it should take some extra effort to do "wrong". Again, this is something that Han-Wen and Jan have focused on very consistently throughout the full project. On the other hand, there isn't a typesetting rule that doesn't have an exception, so it's clearly a good thing that LilyPond is so flexible that it can produce more or less any layout. /Mats Graham Percival wrote: > > On 19-May-05, at 11:06 PM, Stephen wrote: > >> If Lilypond is meant to demonstrate the art of music engraving, if it >> is meant to recapture a lost art as it was practiced before the >> computer age, if it is meant to improve musical performances, then it >> should educate the user rather than allow the user to dictate to it. >> Meaning there is a downside to Lilypond being bigger and more powerful >> and more responsive to the user's demands. The vast majority of the >> time, bigger is better. But the average user may not be an expert >> music engraver and would make mistakes if Lilypond let him. > > > Have you read some LaTeX manuals? If not, I highly recommend reading > one; have a look at the discussion about margins. > > Changing the margins (at least, making it "1 inch" as is common in Word) > isn't > recommended from a typographical point of view. But many users want that > (at least when they first begin using LaTeX) -- including myself. > Mostly because > I was using it for university essays, and I knew that everybody else was > using > Word (with small margins) and I didn't want it to look as if I was > padding my > essays. :) > > My point is that LaTeX lets the user do whatever he wants (including > shooting > himself in the foot), but the manual warns the user not to do so. > LilyPond should > do the same thing. Any education of the user should happen in the > manual. Now, > if you have any specific recommendations for user-education, please tell > me. I'm > always happy to include people's patches to the docs. > > >> I don't see a clear definition of what constitutes an improvement of >> Lilypond or statement of purpose other than what I read in the >> introduction, > > > OK, that's enough. > > LilyPond is an open-source project. The contributors, be it Han-Wen and > Jan working > on internals, Mats answering questions, or me writing docs, work on > whatever itch > they want to scratch. I'm currently editing the "basic notation" > chapter. Not because > I think that's what the docs need the most (that would probably be > clarifying the > "global issues" chapter), but because I'm a neat freak. > > You may also want to read "Cathedral and the Bazaar", by ESR. That deals > with the whole "leadership" issue. > >> Which I don't understand, because I think it is more exciting to >> develop a program which is more specific, rather than, say, a notation >> program. > > > Patches, be it to documentation or code, are always appreciated. Let > your excitement run wild. > > - Graham > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 05:12:25 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3Xa-0003o1-UZ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:11:36 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3XJ-0003T9-4q for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:11:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3Ws-0003AA-QM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:10:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3WO-0002IW-3z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:10:20 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ3ZG-0007GP-9g for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:13:18 -0400 Received: from pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.213]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00HIG6J3GQI5@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00MXO6J38200@pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGS0097O6J3K2@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 02:04:14 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: feature request from manual: typography of \arpeggioBracket X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 09:11:30 -0000 There's a few feature requests in comments in the manual; I will be removing them and sending them here. Here's the first I found. I personally think the \arpeggioBracket looks fine so we might as well ignore this, but I don't want to delete other people's comments without giving them a chance to save the info if they wish. % todo: ugh, lousy typography. Look for real example. --hwn { \arpeggioBracket \arpeggio } From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 05:24:00 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3ja-00084Y-Ok for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:23:59 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3jQ-000816-Rk for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:23:49 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3jM-0007zE-ST for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:23:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3jL-0007xn-Lx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:23:43 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ3nP-00039q-2V for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:27:55 -0400 Received: from pd5mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr5so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.181]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00HKO736GQI5@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:16:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd5mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00LPS7364CB0@pd5mr5so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:16:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00D76736DI@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:16:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 02:16:17 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: <7d5c24f056253121fc3676cd4eb5edbb@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: bug report from manual: tremolo 32nds X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 09:23:50 -0000 I have no idea how old this report is, nor whether it still applies. But it's removed from the manual now. %{ [TODO: stok is te kort bij 32en] somebody want to translate that into English? `Stem is too short for 32nds' (wl) %} { c'2:8 c':32 | c': c': | } From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 05:40:23 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3zS-0000fP-AY for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:40:22 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3zN-0000d1-TU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:40:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3zM-0000bz-9g for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:40:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ3zK-0000XU-8X for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:40:14 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.23] (helo=smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ419-0006TK-J9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 05:42:07 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4K9XLcA008877; Fri, 20 May 2005 11:33:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428DAF5D.6090705@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:35:25 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> <428CB278.5080300@xs4all.nl> <428D053F.60307@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 09:40:18 -0000 Stephen wrote: > I don't see a clear definition of what constitutes an improvement of > Lilypond or statement of purpose other than what I read in the > introduction, I would feel better if the developers were working from Then go feel better. Jan and I discuss this regularly, in email and phone calls that would even puzzle native Dutch speakers. We put things in writing when we feel strong enough to really commit to it. If we wouldn't we would be castigated for breaking with our own opinions by any random user reading the manual. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 06:02:44 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4L6-0000yA-Ec for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:02:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4L3-0000we-8G for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:02:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4L1-0000w6-AS for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:02:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4L0-0000sW-HC for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:02:38 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.23] (helo=smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ4RU-0004Sy-LL; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:09:21 -0400 Received: from peder.flower (appel.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.178]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4KA0RIK028182; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:00:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janneke@gnu.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4It-0007iK-E4; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:00:27 +0200 To: Han-Wen Nienhuys References: <20050520.080541.252970653.wl@gnu.org> <428DA5EC.1090705@xs4all.nl> From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: Jan at Appel Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:00:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: <428DA5EC.1090705@xs4all.nl> (Han-Wen Nienhuys's message of "Fri, 20 May 2005 10:55:08 +0200") Message-ID: <87u0kyqksk.fsf@peder.flower> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: FontConfig cache warning X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:02:42 -0000 Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: >> even if I don't have changed or moved any font. Do all ectories in fontconfig's path have an up to date fonts.cache-1 file? > if (!FcDirCacheValid (cache)) > { > warning (_ ("FontConfig cache out of date. Rebuilding may take > some time.")); > } Could it be that the subsequent cache rebuild is not written out to disk, but just built in memory? That would be unfortunate. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 06:12:19 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4UN-0007aE-5y for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:12:19 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4Tb-0006ot-7p for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:11:32 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4TY-0006mB-Ud for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:11:29 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4TY-0006ew-7y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:11:28 -0400 Received: from [130.238.7.33] (helo=limicola.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ4Y7-0005eZ-9e for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:16:11 -0400 Received: by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id D8D194A6B; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:07:25 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from limicola.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by limicola.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s301057; Fri, 20 May 05 12:07:19 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.55] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A534A31; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:07:19 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:07:14 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <7d5c24f056253121fc3676cd4eb5edbb@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <7d5c24f056253121fc3676cd4eb5edbb@shaw.ca> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505201207.16791.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: Graham Percival Subject: Re: bug report from manual: tremolo 32nds X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:12:16 -0000 On Friday 20 May 2005 11.16, Graham Percival wrote: > I have no idea how old this report is, nor whether it still applies. > But it's > removed from the manual now. The bug was fixed recently, its name was tremolo-stem-length-beamed. Erik > > %{ > [TODO: stok is te kort bij 32en] > somebody want to translate that into English? > `Stem is too short for 32nds' (wl) > %} > > { > c'2:8 c':32 | c': c': | > } > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- Erik Sandberg Maintainer of the Lilypond bug CVS archive, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/lilypond/lily-bugs/bugs/ http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/bugs/out/index.html From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 06:12:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4Ur-0007px-7l for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:12:49 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4Uo-0007o0-FW for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:12:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4Un-0007mO-9d for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:12:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4Tf-0006ew-Fg for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:11:35 -0400 Received: from [141.3.10.81] (helo=iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ4X1-0005Ix-Gk for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:15:03 -0400 Received: from irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.5]) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1DZ4Nf-00018L-GP; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:05:42 +0200 Received: from i41pc36.ipd.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.49.176] ident=[U2FsdGVkX18w/m8LUXOz0zECOqY4Lc0bxNTgJxuGnV0=]) by irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1DZ4Mm-00025W-0b; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:04:28 +0200 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:04:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Juergen Reuter X-X-Sender: reuter@i41pc36.ipd.uni-karlsruhe.de To: Graham Percival In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -5.8 (-----) Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Juergen Reuter Subject: Re: lilypond ./ChangeLog Documentation/user/program... X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:12:47 -0000 On Fri, 20 May 2005, Graham Percival wrote: > ... > diff -u lilypond/Documentation/user/programming-interface.itely:1.34 lilypond/Documentation/user/programming-interface.itely:1.35 > --- lilypond/Documentation/user/programming-interface.itely:1.34 Mon May 16 11:12:29 2005 > +++ lilypond/Documentation/user/programming-interface.itely Fri May 20 07:55:52 2005 > @@ -18,6 +18,7 @@ > * Internal music representation:: > * Extending music syntax:: > * Manipulating music expressions:: > +* Internal representation of music expressions:: > * Using LilyPond syntax inside Scheme:: > @end menu > ... The headlines "Internal music representation" and "Internal representation of music expressions" sound quite similar to me, though the contents of these sections is quite different. How about renaming the latter into something like "Displaying music expressions" or similar? Greetings, Juergen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 06:28:57 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kS-0005Ur-Jv for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:28:57 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kH-0005Rv-0n for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:28:45 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kF-0005RG-H2 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:28:43 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kE-0005Qa-FD for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:28:42 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ4qL-0000Cj-Hu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:35:01 -0400 Received: from pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.108]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS0078IAB9OH30@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 04:25:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00BAUAB967N0@pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 04:25:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGS0021LAB9DR@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 04:25:57 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 03:25:57 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: manual feature request: tunable marks X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:28:47 -0000 I recall some discussion about this a few months ago; did it get resolved? --- To print a rehearsal mark, use the @code{\mark} command @lilypond[quote,raggedright,fragment,verbatim,relative=2] c1 \mark \default c1 \mark \default c1 \mark #8 c1 \mark \default c1 \mark \default @end lilypond @noindent (The letter@tie{}`I' is skipped in accordance with engraving traditions.) @c umm, is the manual the right place for feature requests? :) -gp @c FIXME - should make that tunable. ---- Comments deleted. - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 06:29:00 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kT-0005VS-Vl for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:28:58 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kH-0005Rx-0u for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:28:45 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kE-0005Qs-DG for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:28:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kC-0005Qa-MX for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:28:41 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.29] (helo=smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ4gM-0006vU-Ur; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:24:43 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4KAG0D7012249; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:16:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428DB95B.7070301@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:18:03 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen References: <20050520.080541.252970653.wl@gnu.org> <428DA5EC.1090705@xs4all.nl> <87u0kyqksk.fsf@peder.flower> In-Reply-To: <87u0kyqksk.fsf@peder.flower> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: FontConfig cache warning X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:28:47 -0000 Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > > >>>even if I don't have changed or moved any font. > > > Do all ectories in fontconfig's path have an up to date > fonts.cache-1 file? this happens before the lily-specific paths are added, so my guess was that running fc-cache should fix the problem. It doesn't, however. >> if (!FcDirCacheValid (cache)) >> { >> warning (_ ("FontConfig cache out of date. Rebuilding may take >> some time.")); >> } > > > Could it be that the subsequent cache rebuild is not written out to > disk, but just built in memory? That would be unfortunate. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 06:29:03 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kY-0005XY-0I for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:29:02 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kO-0005UC-6f for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:28:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kJ-0005TC-DA for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:28:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kI-0005Qa-OT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:28:46 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ4na-0008G6-Hu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:32:10 -0400 Received: from pd4mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr7so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.84]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00H5CA6DH8J3@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 04:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd4mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS002Q2A6C7D70@pd4mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 04:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00020A6C37@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 04:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 03:23:00 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: To: Juergen Reuter Message-id: <2481df95557eaf9aff0f35f5d4bf4ff1@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: lilypond ./ChangeLog Documentation/user/program... X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:28:57 -0000 On 20-May-05, at 3:04 AM, Juergen Reuter wrote: > The headlines "Internal music representation" and "Internal > representation of music expressions" sound quite similar to me, though > the contents of these sections is quite different. How about renaming > the latter into something like "Displaying music expressions" or > similar? Good point, thanks. - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 06:29:19 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kl-0005go-Bp for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:29:16 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kh-0005dd-4Z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:29:11 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kc-0005Zq-9d for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:29:06 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kZ-0005Qa-Hd for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:29:03 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.27] (helo=smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ4iW-0007Id-NR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:26:59 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4KAIDAj002725; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:18:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428DB9E1.2090705@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:20:17 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: feature request from manual: typography of \arpeggioBracket X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:29:13 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > There's a few feature requests in comments in the manual; I will be > removing them and sending them here. good. > > Here's the first I found. I personally think the \arpeggioBracket looks > fine so we might as well ignore this, but I don't want to delete other > people's comments without giving them a chance to save the info > if they wish. > > > % todo: ugh, lousy typography. Look for real example. --hwn > { > \arpeggioBracket > \arpeggio > } hmm. IIRC, my problem was that the horizontal endings touched the staff lines. I have never seen a bracket like this in real life to compare. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 06:29:24 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kq-0005j8-NN for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:29:22 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kk-0005g6-AG for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:29:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kd-0005an-OP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:29:08 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ4kc-0005Qa-OS for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:29:06 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.31] (helo=smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ4hh-00071k-5g for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:26:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4KAGTJH060702; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:16:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428DB97A.2020203@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:18:34 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <7d5c24f056253121fc3676cd4eb5edbb@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <7d5c24f056253121fc3676cd4eb5edbb@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: bug report from manual: tremolo 32nds X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:29:18 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > I have no idea how old this report is, nor whether it still applies. > But it's > removed from the manual now. > good. it's been fixed recently. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 08:10:52 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ6L4-0007C4-QZ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:10:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ6L0-0007Aa-9m for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:10:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ6Ki-00075f-64 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:10:44 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ6Kg-0006ze-A3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:10:26 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ6Jd-0000gO-9G for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:09:21 -0400 Received: from pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr8so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.11]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00HVCEP1QKIM@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:00:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00KM1EP1BLN0@pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:00:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGS0086VEP1M6@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:00:37 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 05:00:36 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: <764a3b4ab836911b26f86eedb119ec52@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: feta chars in LaTeX X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:10:47 -0000 Has the syntax changed? This example (from 12.2) doesn't work anymore in fink 2.5.24+ --- To include feta symbols (such as flat, segno, etc) in a LaTeX document, use \input{titledefs} \documentclass[a4paper]{article} \usepackage{geometry} \input{titledefs} \begin{document} \fetachar\fetasharp \end{document} --- Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 08:28:04 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ6bj-0000NI-GD for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:28:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ6bf-0000KV-Jv for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:27:59 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ6bb-0000DV-Qr for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:27:56 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ6ba-00006v-Ms for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:27:55 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ6ge-0005i5-N6 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:33:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFEF61A9F; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:24:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 15832-05; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:24:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B40861AA0; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:24:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0E761A9F; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:24:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <428DD6F6.2050903@s3.kth.se> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:24:22 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <764a3b4ab836911b26f86eedb119ec52@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <764a3b4ab836911b26f86eedb119ec52@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: feta chars in LaTeX X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:28:01 -0000 See the comment I added in the manual for lilypond-book. /Mats Graham Percival wrote: > Has the syntax changed? This example (from 12.2) doesn't work anymore > in fink 2.5.24+ > > --- > To include feta symbols (such as flat, segno, etc) in a LaTeX document, > use \input{titledefs} > > \documentclass[a4paper]{article} > \usepackage{geometry} > \input{titledefs} > > \begin{document} > > \fetachar\fetasharp > > \end{document} > --- > > Cheers, > - Graham > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 08:33:17 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ6gn-0003Lq-AV for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:33:17 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ6gi-0003JW-Sq for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:33:13 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ6gh-0003IN-Sy for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:33:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ6gh-0003I6-L5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:33:11 -0400 Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ6kg-0006Nf-WC for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:37:19 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 20 May 2005 12:28:30 -0000 Received: from p54BCDF2A.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO athlon) [84.188.223.42] by mail.gmx.net (mp022) with SMTP; 20 May 2005 14:28:30 +0200 X-Authenticated: #4543585 To: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" , "Graham Percival" References: <428DB9E1.2090705@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: From: "Arno Waschk" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:28:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <428DB9E1.2090705@xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Opera M2/8.0 (Win32, build 7561) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: feature request from manual: typography of arpeggioBracket X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: arno@arnowaschk.de List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:33:14 -0000 "Touches" (solo piano) by Leonard Bernstein, e. g. Arno Am Fri, 20 May 2005 12:20:17 +0200 schrieb Han-Wen Nienhuys : > Graham Percival wrote: >> There's a few feature requests in comments in the manual; I will be >> removing them and sending them here. > > good. > >> Here's the first I found. I personally think the \arpeggioBracket >> looks >> fine so we might as well ignore this, but I don't want to delete other >> people's comments without giving them a chance to save the info >> if they wish. >> % todo: ugh, lousy typography. Look for real example. --hwn >> { >> \arpeggioBracket >> \arpeggio >> } > > hmm. IIRC, my problem was that the horizontal endings touched the staff > lines. I have never seen a bracket like this in real life to compare. > > -- www.arnowaschk.de From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 08:35:16 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ6ii-0004vP-EA for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:35:16 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ6ig-0004uX-8o for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:35:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ6ie-0004tn-Rd for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:35:13 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ6ie-0004tS-Hu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:35:12 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ6om-0006tt-Tn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:41:33 -0400 Received: from pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr6so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.69]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00L0VG3ZZHD0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:31:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00GOLG3ZTR40@pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:31:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00B4UG3ZQE@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 06:31:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 05:31:10 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: <2ae1148f50f27f74e4f9caaf2eb63dfc@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: feature request: \mark avoiding notes X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:35:14 -0000 Personal feature request here, not anything from the manual. Would it be possible to make \mark avoid notes? I'm converting some c^\markup to c^\mark \markup , and I have to start guessing manual #'padding numbers again. Could you just take the collision avoidance code for \markup and apply it to \mark ? Cheers, - Graham \layout{ raggedright=##t} \relative c'''{ c4 d e d \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'self-alignment-X = #right \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'break-visibility = #begin-of-line-invisible \mark \markup{ \bold { D.S. al Fine }} } From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 08:55:14 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ722-0006gB-4G for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:55:14 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ71y-0006dW-4s for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:55:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ71q-0006av-Vo for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:55:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ71o-0006a4-SW for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:55:01 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.22] (helo=smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ78I-0002Ml-8I for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 09:01:42 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4KCqeTD020921; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:52:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428DDE14.4000905@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:54:44 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: arno@arnowaschk.de References: <428DB9E1.2090705@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: feature request from manual: typography of arpeggioBracket X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:55:12 -0000 Arno Waschk wrote: > "Touches" (solo piano) by Leonard Bernstein, e. g. >> >> hmm. IIRC, my problem was that the horizontal endings touched the >> staff lines. I have never seen a bracket like this in real life to >> compare. Wonderful! Can you send a .png of those to the list? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 09:10:45 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ7H1-0003RS-M0 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 09:10:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ7Gf-0003Eo-57 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 09:10:21 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ7GV-00037q-F7 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 09:10:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ7GS-00034B-6v for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 09:10:08 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.24] (helo=smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ7EE-00038U-KC for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 09:07:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4KCx5oo036162; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:59:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428DDF96.2030101@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 15:01:10 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <2ae1148f50f27f74e4f9caaf2eb63dfc@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <2ae1148f50f27f74e4f9caaf2eb63dfc@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: feature request: \mark avoiding notes X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:10:27 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > Personal feature request here, not anything from the manual. > > Would it be possible to make \mark avoid notes? I'm converting > some c^\markup to c^\mark \markup , and I have to start guessing > manual #'padding numbers again. Could you just take the collision > avoidance code for \markup and apply it to \mark ? No. The collision avoidance code for \markup also "doesn't work". See what happens if you do ^\markup { loooooong text } it's the same problem. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 09:10:47 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ7H5-0003Tr-Ab for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 09:10:47 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ7Gq-0003Lq-UV for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 09:10:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ7Gf-0003F6-CK for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 09:10:27 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ7Gd-00034B-KR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 09:10:19 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ7CZ-0002xP-Hu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 09:06:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F8F61A8B; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:57:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 16537-07; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:57:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33EE61A98; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:57:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5416F61A8B; Fri, 20 May 2005 14:57:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <428DDEB1.3000009@s3.kth.se> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:57:21 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <2ae1148f50f27f74e4f9caaf2eb63dfc@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <2ae1148f50f27f74e4f9caaf2eb63dfc@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: feature request: \mark avoiding notes X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 13:10:37 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > Personal feature request here, not anything from the manual. > > Would it be possible to make \mark avoid notes? I'm converting > some c^\markup to c^\mark \markup , and I have to start guessing > manual #'padding numbers again. Could you just take the collision > avoidance code for \markup and apply it to \mark ? You mean the collision avoidance for text script, right (remember the email discussion the other week)? Anyway, I'm afraid it's not that simple, since text scripts are typeset above a certain note and the collision avoidance will only avoid collisions with that specific note, not the surrounding notes. Example: \score{\relative c'''{c c,^"Long text script" c'} \layout{raggedright = ##t} } Since \mark typesets texts between notes, it would have to take both the note before and the note after into account. On the other hand, it seems that the horizontal spacing is affected in some way by rehearsal marks, for example: \score{\relative c'''{c c \mark "ABCD" c c |} \layout{raggedright = ##t} } However, it seems that it only takes the right half of the mark into account, not the left half. Also, this only happens for marks in the middle of a measure, not at bar lines: \score{\relative c'''{c2 c \mark "ABCD" | c c |} \layout{raggedright = ##t} } Bug or feature? /Mats > > Cheers, > - Graham > > \layout{ raggedright=##t} > \relative c'''{ > c4 d e d > \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'self-alignment-X = #right > \once \override Score.RehearsalMark #'break-visibility = > #begin-of-line-invisible > \mark \markup{ \bold { D.S. al Fine }} > } > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 10:29:35 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ8VJ-0002Lr-UE for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:29:34 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ8V3-0002A5-78 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:29:18 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ8V0-00027W-9g for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:29:15 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ8Uz-00021K-6y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:29:13 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd2mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ8ba-0001y7-Kx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:36:02 -0400 Received: from pd2mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.109]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS001XHLFSQHB0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd2mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00EJRLFR0930@pd2mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00D2ALFRCK@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:26:15 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 07:26:14 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <428DD6F6.2050903@s3.kth.se> To: Mats Bengtsson Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <764a3b4ab836911b26f86eedb119ec52@shaw.ca> <428DD6F6.2050903@s3.kth.se> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: feta chars in LaTeX X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:29:20 -0000 On 20-May-05, at 5:24 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > See the comment I added in the manual for lilypond-book. What were we saying about bug reports and feature requests in the comments of the manual? :) Comment removed from lilypond-book.itely: ** AARGH. the titledefs and feta20.tex files will not be found now that the lilypond-profile isn't used anymore!!! /Mats If users input the location of feta20.tex manually, could it still work? ie \documentclass... \include{/path/to/feta20.tex} Actually, what about doing it at compile time? When we're compiling lilypond-book.py, lilypond knows where feta20.tex is, right? So we could write that value into the compiled lilypond-book, and when lilypond-book does the .lytex -> .tex conversion, we could add the required \include, \usepackage, \input, or whatever it needs. Just like the \usepackage{graphicx} Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 10:36:06 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ8bX-00006U-CY for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:36:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ8bO-0008TV-9e for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:35:51 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ8bK-0008Q6-82 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:35:46 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ8bI-0008KA-8r for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:35:44 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ8fr-0003RI-Qn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:40:27 -0400 Received: from pd2mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr7so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.10]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS00LJNLONA290@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd2mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGS002PALONZV00@pd2mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGS0005JLOMTC@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 08:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 07:31:33 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <428DDEB1.3000009@s3.kth.se> To: Mats Bengtsson Message-id: <6f32e79edb481fd8553b15096b6ce36b@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <2ae1148f50f27f74e4f9caaf2eb63dfc@shaw.ca> <428DDEB1.3000009@s3.kth.se> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: feature request: \mark avoiding notes X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:35:53 -0000 On 20-May-05, at 5:57 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > You mean the collision avoidance for text script, right (remember > the email discussion the other week)? Oops. > Anyway, I'm afraid it's not that simple, since text scripts are -snip- ok, I see that now. > On the other hand, it seems that the horizontal spacing is affected > in some way by rehearsal marks, for example: > \score{\relative c'''{c c \mark "ABCD" c c |} > \layout{raggedright = ##t} > } Shouldn't this example get rid of that space? \score{\relative c''{ \override Score.RehearsalMark #'no-spacing-rods = ##t c4 c \mark "ABCD" c c |} \layout{raggedright = ##t} } "no-spacing-rods: Items with this property do not cause spacing constraint." However, it has no effect. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 10:57:24 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ8wG-0004Pt-AM for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:57:24 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ8w8-0004LY-4a for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:57:16 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ8w1-0004FN-Vr for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:57:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZ8w0-00047e-T5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:57:08 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZ8wV-0000Gg-JI for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:57:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07ACA61A98; Fri, 20 May 2005 16:48:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 18988-04; Fri, 20 May 2005 16:48:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6757461A9F; Fri, 20 May 2005 16:48:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E7B61A98; Fri, 20 May 2005 16:48:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <428DF8CF.2070207@s3.kth.se> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:48:47 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <764a3b4ab836911b26f86eedb119ec52@shaw.ca> <428DD6F6.2050903@s3.kth.se> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: feta chars in LaTeX X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:57:18 -0000 In that case it's better to implement an additional command like \lilypondmusicglyph{scripts.turn} that lilypond-book will recognize and replace with the appropriate TeX code (hmm, what should be done for the HTML mode?). This looks like a project beyond 2.6. /Mats Graham Percival wrote: > > On 20-May-05, at 5:24 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > >> See the comment I added in the manual for lilypond-book. > > > What were we saying about bug reports and feature requests in > the comments of the manual? :) > > Comment removed from lilypond-book.itely: > ** AARGH. the titledefs and feta20.tex files will not be found > now that the lilypond-profile isn't used anymore!!! /Mats > > > If users input the location of feta20.tex manually, could it still > work? ie > > \documentclass... > \include{/path/to/feta20.tex} > > > Actually, what about doing it at compile time? When we're compiling > lilypond-book.py, lilypond knows where feta20.tex is, right? So we > could write that value into the compiled lilypond-book, and when > lilypond-book does the .lytex -> .tex conversion, we could add the > required \include, \usepackage, \input, or whatever it needs. > Just like the \usepackage{graphicx} > > Cheers, > - Graham > -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 12:11:02 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5V-0003X6-M1 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:11:01 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5R-0003VM-A8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:10:57 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5M-0003Sw-JS for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:10:53 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5M-0003Rk-Bm for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:10:52 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.110] (helo=BAY0-SMTP03.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZA8m-0006Uh-Cv for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:14:24 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.174.30] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.174.30]) by BAY0-SMTP03.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 20 May 2005 09:05:37 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c55d55$c2d88420$1eae0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> <428CB278.5080300@xs4all.nl> <428D053F.60307@xs4all.nl> <428DAF5D.6090705@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:04:45 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2005 16:05:37.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3274060:01C55D55] Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:10:59 -0000 You did a very good job on the Introduction, I can't tell it was written by a native Dutch speaker and I can tell when something has been translated from a different language. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" To: "Stephen" Cc: "Graham Percival" ; "lily-devel" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:35 AM Subject: Re: Another documentation issue > Stephen wrote: >> I don't see a clear definition of what constitutes an improvement of >> Lilypond or statement of purpose other than what I read in the >> introduction, I would feel better if the developers were working from > > Then go feel better. Jan and I discuss this regularly, in email and phone > calls that would even puzzle native Dutch speakers. We put things in > writing when we feel strong enough to really commit to it. If we wouldn't > we would be castigated for breaking with our own opinions by any random > user reading the manual. > > -- > Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 12:11:04 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5X-0003Y9-Vw for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:11:04 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5S-0003WC-Dd for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:10:59 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5N-0003TZ-KP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:10:53 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5N-0003Rk-8j for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:10:53 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.110] (helo=BAY0-SMTP03.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZA8g-0006RT-7y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:14:18 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.174.30] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.174.30]) by BAY0-SMTP03.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 20 May 2005 09:05:30 -0700 Message-ID: <002d01c55d55$bf239270$1eae0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Graham Percival" References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> <29f668fc5880c69106174e117b52feb7@shaw.ca> <1b7cf4f7a8143f5f311d18dfb426d567@shaw.ca> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:04:35 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2005 16:05:31.0547 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF724EB0:01C55D55] Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:11:00 -0000 Well, you know, I am looking at the documentation for 2.4. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Percival" To: "Stephen" Cc: "lily-devel" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 2:35 AM Subject: Re: Another documentation issue > > On 19-May-05, at 8:05 PM, Stephen wrote: > >>> Currently Metronome Marks is section number 8.3.1> >> >> Yes, but I am looking at the documentation currently online. It is >> just an example, I not trying to point out a problem that you have >> already solved > > So was I. > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/ > Metronome-marks.html > > - Graham > From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 12:11:04 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5Y-0003YD-Ax for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:11:04 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5S-0003WD-G4 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:10:59 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5N-0003Sl-3g for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:10:54 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5M-0003Rk-3u for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:10:52 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.110] (helo=BAY0-SMTP03.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZA8o-0006Vo-PS for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:14:26 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.174.30] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.174.30]) by BAY0-SMTP03.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 20 May 2005 09:05:39 -0700 Message-ID: <003001c55d55$c4538b60$1eae0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> <29f668fc5880c69106174e117b52feb7@shaw.ca> <428DA863.4080006@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:04:49 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2005 16:05:40.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4A26EB0:01C55D55] Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:11:00 -0000 Well no, The manual tells the developers what the user is going to expect from the program and that in turn guides the development. That's what I mean. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" To: "Stephen" Cc: "Graham Percival" ; "lily-devel" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:05 AM Subject: Re: Another documentation issue > Stephen wrote: >> developers use some of the prefatory comments in the documentation as >> programming guidelines. But is really is up to the individual programmer > > No, the manual is not the place for communicating with programmers. If > you want to join development, that's great. Just dive in, and we'll give > you instructions while you're busy. > > -- > Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 12:11:05 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5Y-0003YS-J2 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:11:04 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5T-0003WB-2I for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:10:59 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5N-0003TO-Ej for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:10:53 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5M-0003Rk-Jl for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:10:52 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.110] (helo=BAY0-SMTP03.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZA8k-0006TI-0c for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:14:22 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.174.30] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.174.30]) by BAY0-SMTP03.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 20 May 2005 09:05:33 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01c55d55$c09c4fc0$1eae0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Mats Bengtsson" , "Graham Percival" References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> <428CB278.5080300@xs4all.nl> <428D053F.60307@xs4all.nl> <120a3ac210d027bca169318ca914a40e@shaw.ca> <428DA578.9020404@s3.kth.se> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:04:41 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2005 16:05:34.0016 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0EB0C00:01C55D55] Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:11:00 -0000 Yeah, thanks, I agree, I like to hear that. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Bengtsson" To: "Graham Percival" Cc: "Stephen" ; "lily-devel" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 3:53 AM Subject: Re: Another documentation issue > In addition: My experience is that Han-Wen and Jan are more > strict about what can be added to the program than I have seen > in any other open source project (which of course should be > considered a positive comment). > > In addition to using the manual to teach about engraving practice, > the default layout given by the program should also adhere to good > engraving practice as far as possible. In other words, it should > take some extra effort to do "wrong". Again, this is something that > Han-Wen and Jan have focused on very consistently throughout the full > project. On the other hand, there isn't a typesetting rule that doesn't > have an exception, so it's clearly a good thing that LilyPond is so > flexible that it can produce more or less any layout. > > /Mats > > Graham Percival wrote: >> >> On 19-May-05, at 11:06 PM, Stephen wrote: >> >>> If Lilypond is meant to demonstrate the art of music engraving, if it is >>> meant to recapture a lost art as it was practiced before the computer >>> age, if it is meant to improve musical performances, then it should >>> educate the user rather than allow the user to dictate to it. Meaning >>> there is a downside to Lilypond being bigger and more powerful and more >>> responsive to the user's demands. The vast majority of the time, bigger >>> is better. But the average user may not be an expert music engraver and >>> would make mistakes if Lilypond let him. >> >> >> Have you read some LaTeX manuals? If not, I highly recommend reading >> one; have a look at the discussion about margins. >> >> Changing the margins (at least, making it "1 inch" as is common in Word) >> isn't >> recommended from a typographical point of view. But many users want that >> (at least when they first begin using LaTeX) -- including myself. Mostly >> because >> I was using it for university essays, and I knew that everybody else was >> using >> Word (with small margins) and I didn't want it to look as if I was >> padding my >> essays. :) >> >> My point is that LaTeX lets the user do whatever he wants (including >> shooting >> himself in the foot), but the manual warns the user not to do so. >> LilyPond should >> do the same thing. Any education of the user should happen in the >> manual. Now, >> if you have any specific recommendations for user-education, please tell >> me. I'm >> always happy to include people's patches to the docs. >> >> >>> I don't see a clear definition of what constitutes an improvement of >>> Lilypond or statement of purpose other than what I read in the >>> introduction, >> >> >> OK, that's enough. >> >> LilyPond is an open-source project. The contributors, be it Han-Wen and >> Jan working >> on internals, Mats answering questions, or me writing docs, work on >> whatever itch >> they want to scratch. I'm currently editing the "basic notation" >> chapter. Not because >> I think that's what the docs need the most (that would probably be >> clarifying the >> "global issues" chapter), but because I'm a neat freak. >> >> You may also want to read "Cathedral and the Bazaar", by ESR. That deals >> with the whole "leadership" issue. >> >>> Which I don't understand, because I think it is more exciting to >>> develop a program which is more specific, rather than, say, a notation >>> program. >> >> >> Patches, be it to documentation or code, are always appreciated. Let >> your excitement run wild. >> >> - Graham >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lilypond-devel mailing list >> lilypond-devel@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > > -- > ============================================= > Mats Bengtsson > Signal Processing > Signals, Sensors and Systems > Royal Institute of Technology > SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM > Sweden > Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 > Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se > WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe > ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 12:11:04 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5Y-0003Yb-PC for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:11:04 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5U-0003Wb-6r for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:11:00 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5Q-0003Tn-3n for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:10:56 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZA5N-0003Rk-Ko for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:10:53 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.109] (helo=BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZA8c-0006Pv-SI for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 12:14:15 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.174.30] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.174.30]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 20 May 2005 09:05:24 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01c55d55$bb842490$1eae0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Graham Percival" References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <42832471.1090409@xs4all.nl> <42849329.8010400@xs4all.nl> <428CB278.5080300@xs4all.nl> <428D053F.60307@xs4all.nl> <120a3ac210d027bca169318ca914a40e@shaw.ca> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:04:19 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2005 16:05:25.0539 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBDD8F30:01C55D55] Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:11:01 -0000 >Have you read some LaTeX manuals? > Yes, I think reading a LaTex manual might help me understand Lilypond a little better in other ways too. I know C++ and studied Lisp a little; Tex is the third rail. But as a windows user, I just downloaded tetex-src, tetex-texmf, and texinfo on which Lilypond is based. I made an abortive attempt to compile Lilypond on windows using msys and decided my time would be better spent learning how to use Lilypond rather than compiling it. Is the LaTex manual in the tetex sources or is that something else? What is the difference between Tex and LaTex? >I think that's what the docs need the most (that would probably be clarifying the "global issues" chapter), but because I'm a neat freak.> Yes, it takes someone like you to edit the documentation. Editing is all about being detail oriented, which is a good thing if you choose the right task as you have. Eventually, you will get to all of it. I think every detail in the documentation is important, because a newbie who is trying to understand Lilypond for the first time will tend to read into things a little too much in an attempt to understand. The early chapters are especially important because once someone has gotten into the manual a certain distance, you can assume he is not a newbie anymore. Right now, I am stuck on 'Internal music representation'. I don't think it is as clear as it could be. If I knew for sure, then I'd understand it and I wouldn't need anyone to clarity it for me. So if anyone who is knowedgeable agrees that it could be clearer, please do. I could be wrong, I am sure if I just plugged away and read the whole chapter, I would understand it. I have read the 'Cathedral and the Bazaar' and I do approve of that approach. The downside is if the developers work against each other because they do not have a common understanding of what the software is meant to be. I don't think of a leader as someone who has to have all the ideas and all the answers, which is sadly what most people associate with that word, but just someone who defines the goal and enjoys getting input from others on how to reach that goal. Anyway, the leadership is fine here and the goal is clear. I still say that a lot of the clarity stems from the Introduction in the documentation rather than, say, developers reminding each other of it or putting it in that context on a case by case basis. I am a very literal person who likes things to be terribly explicit, most people do not need that, so I understand there is no real issue here, it is just that my communication style differs from others. Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Percival" To: "Stephen" Cc: "lily-devel" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 2:33 AM Subject: Re: Another documentation issue > > On 19-May-05, at 11:06 PM, Stephen wrote: >> If Lilypond is meant to demonstrate the art of music engraving, if it is >> meant to recapture a lost art as it was practiced before the computer >> age, if it is meant to improve musical performances, then it should >> educate the user rather than allow the user to dictate to it. Meaning >> there is a downside to Lilypond being bigger and more powerful and more >> responsive to the user's demands. The vast majority of the time, bigger >> is better. But the average user may not be an expert music engraver and >> would make mistakes if Lilypond let him. > > Have you read some LaTeX manuals? If not, I highly recommend reading > one; have a look at the discussion about margins. > > Changing the margins (at least, making it "1 inch" as is common in Word) > isn't > recommended from a typographical point of view. But many users want that > (at least when they first begin using LaTeX) -- including myself. Mostly > because > I was using it for university essays, and I knew that everybody else was > using > Word (with small margins) and I didn't want it to look as if I was padding > my > essays. :) > > My point is that LaTeX lets the user do whatever he wants (including > shooting > himself in the foot), but the manual warns the user not to do so. > LilyPond should > do the same thing. Any education of the user should happen in the manual. > Now, > if you have any specific recommendations for user-education, please tell > me. I'm > always happy to include people's patches to the docs. > > >> I don't see a clear definition of what constitutes an improvement of >> Lilypond or statement of purpose other than what I read in the >> introduction, > > OK, that's enough. > > LilyPond is an open-source project. The contributors, be it Han-Wen and > Jan working > on internals, Mats answering questions, or me writing docs, work on > whatever itch > they want to scratch. I'm currently editing the "basic notation" chapter. > Not because > I think that's what the docs need the most (that would probably be > clarifying the > "global issues" chapter), but because I'm a neat freak. > > You may also want to read "Cathedral and the Bazaar", by ESR. That deals > with the whole "leadership" issue. > >> Which I don't understand, because I think it is more exciting to develop >> a program which is more specific, rather than, say, a notation program. > > Patches, be it to documentation or code, are always appreciated. Let your > excitement run wild. > > - Graham > From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 20 16:45:48 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZENQ-0006SN-Ci for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 16:45:48 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZENN-0006R3-UK for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 16:45:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZENM-0006QF-Ez for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 16:45:44 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZEKh-0004l2-9j for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 16:42:59 -0400 Received: from [130.238.7.33] (helo=limicola.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZEBD-00028Y-SI for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 16:33:12 -0400 Received: by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id 150B24979; Fri, 20 May 2005 22:24:21 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from limicola.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by limicola.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s155669; Fri, 20 May 05 22:24:12 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.55] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E5D49BE; Fri, 20 May 2005 22:24:12 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Stephen Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 22:24:05 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <428204E2.40503@s3.kth.se> <120a3ac210d027bca169318ca914a40e@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505202224.08987.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: Graham Percival Subject: Re: Another documentation issue X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 20:45:46 -0000 On Friday 20 May 2005 18.04, Stephen wrote: > >Have you read some LaTeX manuals? > > > Yes, I think reading a LaTex manual might help me understand Lilypond a > little better in other ways too. I know C++ and studied Lisp a little; Tex > is the third rail. I think he rather referred to the philosophy behind LaTeX. LaTeX is not required by lilypond 2.5 and later, instead postscript/pdf is generated directly. > But as a windows user, I just downloaded tetex-src, tetex-texmf, and > texinfo on which Lilypond is based. I made an abortive attempt to compile > Lilypond on windows using msys and decided my time would be better spent > learning how to use Lilypond rather than compiling it. Is the LaTex manual > in the tetex sources or is that something else? What is the difference > between Tex and LaTex? > > >I think that's what the docs need the most (that would probably be > > clarifying the > "global issues" chapter), but because I'm a neat freak.> > > Yes, it takes someone like you to edit the documentation. Editing is all > about being detail oriented, which is a good thing if you choose the right > task as you have. Eventually, you will get to all of it. I think every > detail in the documentation is important, because a newbie who is trying to > understand Lilypond for the first time will tend to read into things a > little too much in an attempt to understand. The early chapters are > especially important because once someone has gotten into the manual a > certain distance, you can assume he is not a newbie anymore. > > Right now, I am stuck on 'Internal music representation'. I don't think it > is as clear as it could be. If I knew for sure, then I'd understand it and > I wouldn't need anyone to clarity it for me. So if anyone who is > knowedgeable agrees that it could be clearer, please do. I could be wrong, > I am sure if I just plugged away and read the whole chapter, I would > understand it. I can agree that the documentation is far from perfect for those who want to become Gurus. I guess that's one reason why we are looking for an Implementation Documenter: http://lilypond.org/web/devel/participating/implementation-documenter Erik From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 21 01:06:25 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZMBp-0007KP-4g for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 01:06:22 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZMBj-0007Ia-FA for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 01:06:15 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZMBi-0007Hv-Da for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 01:06:14 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZMBi-0007Hh-5L for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 01:06:14 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.112] (helo=BAY0-SMTP05.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZMHy-00058H-3I for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 01:12:42 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.183.131] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.183.131]) by BAY0-SMTP05.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 20 May 2005 22:03:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c55dc2$785433f0$83b70443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "lilypond devel" Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 00:03:42 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C55D98.8C727290" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2005 05:03:47.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[786FAB30:01C55DC2] Subject: dynamicAbsoluteVolumeFunction documented X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 05:06:17 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C55D98.8C727290 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dynamicAbsoluteVolumeFunction still has [DOCUMENT-ME] as its documentation. I cannot find any use for instrumentEqualizer or dynamicAbsoluteVolumeFunction other than to set the instrument-equalizer-alist and absolute-volume-alist respectively which it does automatically anyway and I recommend removing them from perfomer-init.ly and the documentation. instrument-equalizer-alist and absolute-volume-alist can each be set or appended to directly. midi-volume-equalizer.ly in input/no-notation demonstrates how to append an instrument to instrument-equalizer-alist. I am attaching a file called set-midi-absolute-volume.ly which demonstrates how to set absolute-volume-alist to new values which I suggest placing in the same directory. Perhaps it is not necessary to define default-dynamic-absolute-volume and default-instrument-equalizer public in midi.scm. Do you have to define the procedures public in order to define the alists public? Or are they public only to make the procedures themselves accessible to the user? Do the examples in input/no-notation show up anywhere in the documentation? Stephen ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C55D98.8C727290 Content-Type: text/lilypond-source; name="set-midi-absolute-volume.ly" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="set-midi-absolute-volume.ly" \version "2.4.0" \header { texidoc =3D "@cindex Set Dynamic Absolute Volume Change absolute dynamics in MIDI file by setting absolute-volume-alist = to chosen values. " } \score{ \relative c''{ %segfault in engraver a1\ppppp=20 a1\pppp=20 a1\ppp=20 a1\pp a\p a\mp a\mf a\f a\ff a\fff a\ffff a\sf #(set! absolute-volume-alist (append '( ("sf" . 1.00) ("fffff" . 0.95) ("ffff" . 0.92) ("fff" . 0.85) ("ff" . 0.80) ("f" . 0.75) ("mf" . 0.68) ("mp" . 0.61) ("p" . 0.55) ("pp" . 0.49) ("ppp" . 0.42) ("pppp" . 0.35) ("ppppp" . 0.26) ) absolute-volume-alist)) } \layout{=20 indent =3D 0.0 \mm raggedright =3D ##t } \midi{ \tempo 1 =3D 60 } } ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C55D98.8C727290-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 21 07:17:40 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZRz3-0007yT-9W for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 07:17:35 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZRyl-0007qG-MQ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 07:17:16 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZRyg-0007mX-Sf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 07:17:11 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZRyf-0007kJ-P6 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 07:17:10 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.28] (helo=smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZRuN-0005Z6-Pv for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 07:12:44 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4LB3hEJ015984; Sat, 21 May 2005 13:03:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <428F160D.6000608@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 13:05:49 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: dynamicAbsoluteVolumeFunction documented X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 11:17:19 -0000 Stephen wrote: > dynamicAbsoluteVolumeFunction still has [DOCUMENT-ME] as its > documentation. > > I cannot find any use for instrumentEqualizer or > dynamicAbsoluteVolumeFunction other than to set the > instrument-equalizer-alist and absolute-volume-alist respectively which > it does automatically anyway and I recommend removing them from > perfomer-init.ly and the documentation. > > instrument-equalizer-alist and absolute-volume-alist can each be set or > appended to directly. > > midi-volume-equalizer.ly in input/no-notation demonstrates how to append > an instrument to instrument-equalizer-alist. > > I am attaching a file called set-midi-absolute-volume.ly which > demonstrates how to set absolute-volume-alist to new values which I > suggest placing in the same directory. I think you're getting it backwards. The scheme variables don't work together well with LilyPond property scoping, and my recommendation is actually the reverse: to make the alists private. midi.scm doesn't say ;; this is broken: we should not ever export variables from Scheme. for nothing. > Perhaps it is not necessary to define default-dynamic-absolute-volume > and default-instrument-equalizer public in midi.scm. Do you have to > define the procedures public in order to define the alists public? Or > are they public only to make the procedures themselves accessible to the > user? > Do the examples in input/no-notation show up anywhere in the documentation? No. Primarily because there is no output. Perhaps we should study on how to get MIDI linked in from the HTML pages. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 21 11:40:17 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZW5E-0001Rc-QC for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 11:40:13 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZW58-0001OU-RO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 11:40:07 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZW55-0001Nu-Pe for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 11:40:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZW55-0001Fm-HQ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 11:40:03 -0400 Received: from [216.148.227.89] (helo=rwcrmhc14.comcast.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZVwW-0008GM-W5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 11:31:13 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-24-10-236-35.hsd1.ut.comcast.net[24.10.236.35]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <200505211522110140097kg8e>; Sat, 21 May 2005 15:22:12 +0000 From: Carl Sorensen To: Han-Wen Nienhuys In-Reply-To: <57cb7abe78ab5903980406acf40e08c4@xs4all.nl> References: <492fa3c608047242b43977439798a763@shaw.ca> <57cb7abe78ab5903980406acf40e08c4@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1116688906.12411.2.camel@lily_fedora> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:21:46 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: (Unified) index X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 15:40:08 -0000 On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 13:34, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > > Index = index > > on windows as well as macos. If not renamed, the Index.html file > will overwrite index.html, which is used for the toplevel file > (think of the case of serving the manual as webpages) > How about the names "Lilypond Index" or "Documentation Index" or "Manual Index"? I agree that "Index" would be the best, but I like all three of these names better than "Unified Index". My three suggestions are listed in order of decreasing preference. Carl Sorensen From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 22 03:21:57 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZkma-0005ja-Hf for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 03:21:56 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZkmW-0005hw-Dr for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 03:21:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZkmV-0005hA-2T for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 03:21:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZkmT-0005YJ-QY for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 03:21:50 -0400 Received: from [68.230.240.33] (helo=lakermmtao06.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZkcD-00047X-Q4 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 03:11:14 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.230.172.247]) by lakermmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050522070203.HGFW749.lakermmtao06.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Sun, 22 May 2005 03:02:03 -0400 From: Tyler Eaves To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-trCTYqDiRkzSVoboLoEG" Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 03:02:04 -0400 Message-Id: <1116745324.32617.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.1.1 Subject: Bass tab problem X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 07:21:54 -0000 --=-trCTYqDiRkzSVoboLoEG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to do some simple bass tablature in the latest version (2.5.24). Attached you will find the source file I'm using and a sample output file. The problem is that the number of lines for the tab staff is off, and the numbers aren't centered. 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X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on robert) Subject: \displayLilyMusic X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 14:54:58 -0000 hi, I have an nearly complete implementation of a \displayLilyMusic command. \displayLilyMusic \new Voice { \clef alto \time 3/4 \key g \minor c'2. | \once \override TextScript #'padding = #2 d'2 e'4^\markup { \bold { hello \italic world ! } } } ==> \new Voice { \clef "alto" \time 3/4 \key g \minor c'2. | \once \override TextScript #'padding = #2 d'2 e'4^\markup \line { \bold "hello" \bold \italic "world" \bold "!"} } \displayLilyMusic \transpose c' a { } ==> { < a, cis > < b, d > } Should there be such a command inside the LilyPond distribution? nicolas From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 22 11:41:21 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 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kroegerlistas@pedrokroeger.net (Pedro =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kr=F6ger?=) To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org References: <878y27e2f3.fsf@free.fr> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 12:42:51 -0300 In-Reply-To: <878y27e2f3.fsf@free.fr> (Nicolas Sceaux's message of "Sun, 22 May 2005 16:54:56 +0200") Message-ID: <87mzqnnu6c.fsf@pedrokroeger.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.dnswired.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - pedrokroeger.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: \displayLilyMusic X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 15:41:16 -0000 Nicolas Sceaux writes: > hi, > > I have an nearly complete implementation of a \displayLilyMusic > command. > Should there be such a command inside the LilyPond distribution? I don't see why not. It might be good for things like debugging and learning. Pedro From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 22 11:41:30 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZsZv-0005xp-76 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 11:41:23 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZsZp-0005sw-FF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 11:41:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZsZl-0005qN-FL for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 11:41:13 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZsZl-0005pT-5W for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 11:41:13 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.33] (helo=smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZsf1-0003Sb-I0 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 11:46:40 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4MFbLD8072866; Sun, 22 May 2005 17:37:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4290A7B0.2020709@xs4all.nl> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 17:39:28 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nicolas Sceaux References: <878y27e2f3.fsf@free.fr> In-Reply-To: <878y27e2f3.fsf@free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: \displayLilyMusic X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 15:41:20 -0000 Nicolas Sceaux wrote: > I have an nearly complete implementation of a \displayLilyMusic > command. > > \displayLilyMusic \new Voice { > \clef alto > \time 3/4 > \key g \minor > c'2. | > \once \override TextScript #'padding = #2 > d'2 e'4^\markup { \bold { hello \italic world ! } } > } > ==> > \new Voice { > \clef "alto" > \time 3/4 > \key g \minor > c'2. | > \once \override TextScript #'padding = #2 > d'2 e'4^\markup \line { \bold "hello" \bold \italic "world" \bold "!"} > } > > \displayLilyMusic \transpose c' a { } > ==> > { < a, cis > < b, d > } > > > Should there be such a command inside the LilyPond distribution? it would be wonderful to have it. My only reservation is maintainability. How sensitive is this to breakage when we change the music implementation (property names, etc?) -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 22 11:47:10 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZsaY-0006E6-I5 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 11:42:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZsaJ-00067Q-Io for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 11:41:47 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZsaE-00065K-B1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 11:41:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZsaE-0005pT-0H for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 11:41:42 -0400 Received: from [65.54.241.115] (helo=BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZsOI-0007hC-1P for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 11:29:28 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.4.173.229] X-Originating-Email: [gilandann1@msn.com] Received: from VAIO ([67.4.173.229]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 22 May 2005 08:19:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c55ee1$b2b92da0$e5ad0443@VAIO> From: "Stephen" To: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" References: <428F160D.6000608@xs4all.nl> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 10:15:38 -0500 Organization: HOME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C55EB7.33604360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2005 15:19:52.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[B36A7C40:01C55EE1] Cc: lilypond devel Subject: Re: dynamicAbsoluteVolumeFunction documented X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Stephen List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 15:41:54 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C55EB7.33604360 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After sleeping on it, I realized this is not exactly user friendly and it still is not documented. But Han-Wen, dynamicAbsoluteVolumeFunction and instrumentEqualizer still do nothing, zero, nada. If my example is wrong, then midi-volume-equalizer.ly is wrong as well, since they do exactly the same thing. They both bypass the function and manipulate the alist directly. Han-Wen, there are implications in what I am doing that are implied, but not stated that have yet to be addressed. The default Dynamic Absolute Volume values in midi.scm are wrong and there still needs to be a way to append instruments to the Intrument Equalizer. On many systems, midi volume 0.2 and 0.0 are nearly identical; the lower levels of midi volume are inaudible, depending on the dynamic range of the speakers. In my files, setting a note to piano is the same nearly as muting out the part. The contrast between loud and soft is greater than it should be. In midi.scm, the absolute volume alist is this: ("sf" . 1.00) ("fffff" . 0.95) ("ffff" . 0.91) ("fff" . 0.81) ("ff" . 0.71) ("f" . 0.61) ("mf" . 0.50) ("mp" . 0.40) ("p" . 0.30) ("pp" . 0.20) ("ppp" . 0.10) ("pppp" . 0.08) ("ppppp" . 0.05) Interestingly, there is no such thing as \fffff, but nevermind that. I propose the midi volume range be from 0.2 (same as 0.0) to 1.00. And I propose you substitute my values in midi.scm: ("sf" . 1.00) ("fffff" . 0.95) ("ffff" . 0.92) ("fff" . 0.85) ("ff" . 0.80) ("f" . 0.75) ("mf" . 0.68) ("mp" . 0.61) ("p" . 0.55) ("pp" . 0.49) ("ppp" . 0.42) ("pppp" . 0.34) ("ppppp" . 0.25) Attached to this message is midi.scm with these values substituted. Although they are not perfect, the previous attachment set-midi-absolute-volume.ly demonstrates that the midi volume values are evenly spaced. The point it not to evenly space them numerically, but to evenly space them audibly; so you have to test the file by listening to the midi output to see what I mean. Actually, I changed pppp and ppppp so I will attach both files here just so there is no confusion. As you can see, it is as if I am defining 0.20 as zero volume and adding it to the midi volume of ppppp, arranging the dynamic midi volume values between 0.25 and 1.00 inclusive. Of course actual midi zero volume is different on every system, but I think effective midi zero volume does not correlate with 0.00 on any system. This is a judgement call I am making based on the experience of having to play the dynamic markings in the piano music properly for my teacher. Actually, if my volume is set low, I can't hear any midi volume below 0.50. I set p so even at low volume levels I would not think it was muted out. Anything below p still isn't audible unless my volume is medium to loud which is what I expect. It is subjective, but it is not as subjective as you might think. The best way to establish the midi volume levels is to set sf to 1.00 and set the ones below it to be as high as possible while still maintaining an audible distinction between each one. That's basically what I did. Assuming we should arrange them evenly between 0 and 1 is wrong. I doubt that all the midi instruments even respond to the full range of midi volume values. As far as ' ;; this is broken: we should not ever export variables from Scheme. ' goes, I can read and understand computer languages, but the comments are not always so clear. Perhaps if I compared midi.scm to the other files in its directory it would become clear, but the code works and I am focusing on what it does rather than how it does it. The worst thing about the TODO and your response is that in neither instance was an alternative even hinted at. Are you saying the procedures do or should be made to work and setting the alist associated with each one directly is not the method you want to go with? Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Han-Wen Nienhuys" To: "Stephen" Cc: "lilypond devel" Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:05 AM Subject: Re: dynamicAbsoluteVolumeFunction documented > Stephen wrote: >> dynamicAbsoluteVolumeFunction still has [DOCUMENT-ME] as its >> documentation. >> >> I cannot find any use for instrumentEqualizer or >> dynamicAbsoluteVolumeFunction other than to set the >> instrument-equalizer-alist and absolute-volume-alist respectively which >> it does automatically anyway and I recommend removing them from >> perfomer-init.ly and the documentation. >> >> instrument-equalizer-alist and absolute-volume-alist can each be set or >> appended to directly. >> >> midi-volume-equalizer.ly in input/no-notation demonstrates how to append >> an instrument to instrument-equalizer-alist. >> >> I am attaching a file called set-midi-absolute-volume.ly which >> demonstrates how to set absolute-volume-alist to new values which I >> suggest placing in the same directory. > > I think you're getting it backwards. The scheme variables don't work > together well with LilyPond property scoping, and my recommendation is > actually the reverse: to make the alists private. midi.scm doesn't say > > ;; this is broken: we should not ever export variables from Scheme. > > for nothing. > >> Perhaps it is not necessary to define default-dynamic-absolute-volume and >> default-instrument-equalizer public in midi.scm. Do you have to define >> the procedures public in order to define the alists public? Or are they >> public only to make the procedures themselves accessible to the user? > >> Do the examples in input/no-notation show up anywhere in the >> documentation? > > No. Primarily because there is no output. Perhaps we should study on how > to get MIDI linked in from the HTML pages. > > -- > Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C55EB7.33604360 Content-Type: text/lilypond-source; name="set-midi-absolute-volume.ly" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="set-midi-absolute-volume.ly" \version "2.4.0" \header { texidoc =3D "@cindex Set Dynamic Absolute Volume Change absolute dynamics in MIDI file by setting absolute-volume-alist = to chosen values. " } \score{ \relative c''{ %segfault in engraver a1\ppppp=20 a1\pppp=20 a1\ppp=20 a1\pp a\p a\mp a\mf a\f a\ff a\fff a\ffff a\sf #(set! absolute-volume-alist (append '( ("sf" . 1.00) ("fffff" . 0.95) ("ffff" . 0.92) ("fff" . 0.85) ("ff" . 0.80) ("f" . 0.75) ("mf" . 0.68) ("mp" . 0.61) ("p" . 0.55) ("pp" . 0.49) ("ppp" . 0.42) ("pppp" . 0.34) ("ppppp" . 0.25) ) absolute-volume-alist)) } \layout{=20 indent =3D 0.0 \mm raggedright =3D ##t } \midi{ \tempo 1 =3D 60 } } ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C55EB7.33604360 Content-Type: audio/mid; name="set-midi-absolute-volume.midi" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="set-midi-absolute-volume.midi" TVRoZAAAAAYAAQACAYBNVHJrAAAA+AD/ASdDcmVhdG9yOiBHTlUgTGlseVBvbmQgMi40LjYgICAg ICAgICAgICAA/wE6R2VuZXJhdGVkIGF1dG9tYXRpY2FsbHkgYnk6IEdOVSBMaWx5UG9uZCAyLjQu NiAgICAgICAgICAgIAD/ATxhdCBTYXQgTWF5IDIxIDA5OjMyOjEyIDIwMDUgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAA/wE8YXQgU2F0IE1heSAyMSAwOTozMjoxMiAyMDA1ICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgAP8DB1RyYWNrIDAA/y8ATVRyawAAALMAsAcfAJBF fwD/WAQEAhIIAP8DAAD/UQMD0JCMAIBFQACwBysAkEV/jACARUAAsAc1AJBFf4wAgEVAALAHPgCQ RX+MAIBFQACwB0UAkEV/jACARUAAsAdNAJBFf4wAgEVAALAHVgCQRX+MAIBFQACwB18AkEV/jACA RUAAsAdlAJBFf4wAgEVAALAHawCQRX+MAIBFQACwB3QAkEV/jACARUAAsAd/AJBFf4wAgEVAAP8v AA== ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C55EB7.33604360 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="midi.scm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="midi.scm" ;;;; midi.scm -- scm midi variables and functions ;;;; ;;;; source file of the GNU LilyPond music typesetter ;;;; ;;;; (c) 2000--2005 Jan Nieuwenhuizen ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;; TODO: ;; this is broken: we should not ever export variables from Scheme. ;; define factor of total volume per dynamic marking (define-public absolute-volume-alist '()) (set! absolute-volume-alist (append '( ("sf" . 1.00) ("fffff" . 0.95) ("ffff" . 0.92) ("fff" . 0.85) ("ff" . 0.80) ("f" . 0.75) ("mf" . 0.68) ("mp" . 0.61) ("p" . 0.55) ("pp" . 0.49) ("ppp" . 0.42) ("pppp" . 0.34) ("ppppp" . 0.25) ) absolute-volume-alist)) (define-public (default-dynamic-absolute-volume s) (let ((entry (assoc s absolute-volume-alist))) (if entry (cdr entry)))) ;; define factors of total volume of minimum and maximum volume (define-public instrument-equalizer-alist '()) (set! instrument-equalizer-alist (append '( ("flute" . (0 . 0.7)) ("oboe" . (0 . 0.7)) ("clarinet" . (0 . 0.7)) ("bassoon" . (0 . 0.6)) ("french horn" . (0.1 . 0.7)) ("trumpet" . (0.1 . 0.8)) ("timpani" . (0.2 . 0.9)) ("violin" . (0.2 . 1.0)) ("viola" . (0.1 . 0.7)) ("cello" . (0.2 . 0.8)) ("contrabass" . (0.2 . 0.8)) ) instrument-equalizer-alist)) ;; (name . program+32768*(channel10 ? 1 : 0)) (define instrument-names-alist '()) (set! instrument-names-alist (append `( ("acoustic grand" . ,(- 1 1)) ("bright acoustic" . ,(- 2 1)) ("electric grand" . ,(- 3 1)) ("honky-tonk" . ,(- 4 1)) ("electric piano 1" . ,(- 5 1)) ("electric piano 2" . ,(- 6 1)) ("harpsichord" . ,(- 7 1)) ("clav" . ,(- 8 1)) ; (9-16 chrom percussion) ("celesta" . ,(- 9 1)) ("glockenspiel" . ,(- 10 1)) ("music box" . ,(- 11 1)) ("vibraphone" . ,(- 12 1)) ("marimba" . ,(- 13 1)) ("xylophone" . ,(- 14 1)) ("tubular bells" . ,(- 15 1)) ("dulcimer" . ,(- 16 1)) ; (17-24 organ) ("drawbar organ" . ,(- 17 1)) ("percussive organ" . ,(- 18 1)) ("rock organ" . ,(- 19 1)) ("church organ" . ,(- 20 1)) ("reed organ" . ,(- 21 1)) ("accordion" . ,(- 22 1)) ("harmonica" . ,(- 23 1)) ("concertina" . ,(- 24 1)) ; (25-32 guitar) ("acoustic guitar (nylon)" . ,(- 25 1)) ("acoustic guitar (steel)" . ,(- 26 1)) ("electric guitar (jazz)" . ,(- 27 1)) ("electric guitar (clean)" . ,(- 28 1)) ("electric guitar (muted)" . ,(- 29 1)) ("overdriven guitar" . ,(- 30 1)) ("distorted guitar" . ,(- 31 1)) ("guitar harmo(dinics" . ,(- 32 1)) ; (33-40 bass) ("acoustic bass" . ,(- 33 1)) ("electric bass (finger)" . ,(- 34 1)) ("electric bass (pick)" . ,(- 35 1)) ("fretless bass" . ,(- 36 1)) ("slap bass 1" . ,(- 37 1)) ("slap bass 2" . ,(- 38 1)) ("synth bass 1" . ,(- 39 1)) ("synth bass 2" . ,(- 40 1)) ; (41-48 strings) ("violin" . ,(- 41 1)) ("viola" . ,(- 42 1)) ("cello" . ,(- 43 1)) ("contrabass" . ,(- 44 1)) ("tremolo strings" . ,(- 45 1)) ("pizzicato strings" . ,(- 46 1)) ("orchestral strings" . ,(- 47 1)) ("timpani" . ,(- 48 1)) ; (49-56 ensemble) ("string ensemble 1" . ,(- 49 1)) ("string ensemble 2" . ,(- 50 1)) ("synthstrings 1" . ,(- 51 1)) ("synthstrings 2" . ,(- 52 1)) ("choir aahs" . ,(- 53 1)) ("voice oohs" . ,(- 54 1)) ("synth voice" . ,(- 55 1)) ("orchestra hit" . ,(- 56 1)) ; (57-64 brass) ("trumpet" . ,(- 57 1)) ("trombone" . ,(- 58 1)) ("tuba" . ,(- 59 1)) ("muted trumpet" . ,(- 60 1)) ("french horn" . ,(- 61 1)) ("brass section" . ,(- 62 1)) ("synthbrass 1" . ,(- 63 1)) ("synthbrass 2" . ,(- 64 1)) ; (65-72 reed) ("soprano sax" . ,(- 65 1)) ("alto sax" . ,(- 66 1)) ("tenor sax" . ,(- 67 1)) ("baritone sax" . ,(- 68 1)) ("oboe" . ,(- 69 1)) ("english horn" . ,(- 70 1)) ("bassoon" . ,(- 71 1)) ("clarinet" . ,(- 72 1)) ; (73-80 pipe) ("piccolo" . ,(- 73 1)) ("flute" . ,(- 74 1)) ("recorder" . ,(- 75 1)) ("pan flute" . ,(- 76 1)) ("blown bottle" . ,(- 77 1)) ("shakuhachi" . ,(- 78 1)) ("whistle" . ,(- 79 1)) ("ocarina" . ,(- 80 1)) ; (81-88 synth lead) ("lead 1 (square)" . ,(- 81 1)) ("lead 2 (sawtooth)" . ,(- 82 1)) ("lead 3 (calliope)" . ,(- 83 1)) ("lead 4 (chiff)" . ,(- 84 1)) ("lead 5 (charang)" . ,(- 85 1)) ("lead 6 (voice)" . ,(- 86 1)) ("lead 7 (fifths)" . ,(- 87 1)) ("lead 8 (bass+lead)" . ,(- 88 1)) ; (89-96 synth pad) ("pad 1 (new age)" . ,(- 89 1)) ("pad 2 (warm)" . ,(- 90 1)) ("pad 3 (polysynth)" . ,(- 91 1)) ("pad 4 (choir)" . ,(- 92 1)) ("pad 5 (bowed)" . ,(- 93 1)) ("pad 6 (metallic)" . ,(- 94 1)) ("pad 7 (halo)" . ,(- 95 1)) ("pad 8 (sweep)" . ,(- 96 1)) ; (97-104 synth effects) ("fx 1 (rain)" . ,(- 97 1)) ("fx 2 (soundtrack)" . ,(- 98 1)) ("fx 3 (crystal)" . ,(- 99 1)) ("fx 4 (atmosphere)" . ,(- 100 1)) ("fx 5 (brightness)" . ,(- 101 1)) ("fx 6 (goblins)" . ,(- 102 1)) ("fx 7 (echoes)" . ,(- 103 1)) ("fx 8 (sci-fi)" . ,(- 104 1)) ; (105-112 ethnic) ("sitar" . ,(- 105 1)) ("banjo" . ,(- 106 1)) ("shamisen" . ,(- 107 1)) ("koto" . ,(- 108 1)) ("kalimba" . ,(- 109 1)) ("bagpipe" . ,(- 110 1)) ("fiddle" . ,(- 111 1)) ("shanai" . ,(- 112 1)) ; (113-120 percussive) ("tinkle bell" . ,(- 113 1)) ("agogo" . ,(- 114 1)) ("steel drums" . ,(- 115 1)) ("woodblock" . ,(- 116 1)) ("taiko drum" . ,(- 117 1)) ("melodic tom" . ,(- 118 1)) ("synth drum" . ,(- 119 1)) ("reverse cymbal" . ,(- 120 1)) ; (121-128 sound effects) ("guitar fret noise" . ,(- 121 1)) ("breath noise" . ,(- 122 1)) ("seashore" . ,(- 123 1)) ("bird tweet" . ,(- 124 1)) ("telephone ring" . ,(- 125 1)) ("helicopter" . ,(- 126 1)) ("applause" . ,(- 127 1)) ("gunshot" . ,(- 128 1)) ; (channel 10 drum-kits - subtract 32768 to get program no.) ("standard kit" . ,(+ 32768 0)) ("standard drums" . ,(+ 32768 0)) ("drums" . ,(+ 32768 0)) ("room kit" . ,(+ 32768 8)) ("room drums" . ,(+ 32768 8)) ("power kit" . ,(+ 32768 16)) ("power drums" . ,(+ 32768 16)) ("rock drums" . ,(+ 32768 16)) ("electronic kit" . ,(+ 32768 24)) ("electronic drums" . ,(+ 32768 24)) ("tr-808 kit" . ,(+ 32768 25)) ("tr-808 drums" . ,(+ 32768 25)) ("jazz kit" . ,(+ 32768 32)) ("jazz drums" . ,(+ 32768 32)) ("brush kit" . ,(+ 32768 40)) ("brush drums" . ,(+ 32768 40)) ("orchestra kit" . ,(+ 32768 48)) ("orchestra drums" . ,(+ 32768 48)) ("classical drums" . ,(+ 32768 48)) ("sfx kit" . ,(+ 32768 56)) ("sfx drums" . ,(+ 32768 56)) ("mt-32 kit" . ,(+ 32768 127)) ("mt-32 drums" . ,(+ 32768 127)) ("cm-64 kit" . ,(+ 32768 127)) ("cm-64 drums" . ,(+ 32768 127)) ) instrument-names-alist)) (define-public (default-instrument-equalizer s) (let ((entry (assoc s instrument-equalizer-alist))) (if entry (cdr entry)))) (define-public (percussion? instrument) " returns whether the instrument should use midi channel 9 " (let* ((inst (symbol->string instrument)) (entry (assoc inst instrument-names-alist))) (and entry (>= (cdr entry) 32768)))) (define-public (midi-program instrument) " returns the program of the instrument " (let* ((inst (symbol->string instrument)) (entry (assoc inst instrument-names-alist))) (if entry (modulo (cdr entry) 32768) #f))) ;; 90 == 90/127 == 0.71 is supposed to be the default value ;; urg: we should set this at start of track (define-public dynamic-default-volume 0.71) (define-public (alterations-in-key pitch-list) "Count number of sharps minus number of flats" (/ (apply + (map cdr pitch-list)) 2)) ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C55EB7.33604360-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 22 13:22:49 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZuA4-00069a-Mt for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:22:48 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZu9y-00065g-36 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:22:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZu9u-00063o-Ka for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:22:38 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZu9t-00062P-Nd for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:22:38 -0400 Received: from [213.228.0.44] (helo=postfix3-1.free.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZuEm-0005LL-Hs for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:27:41 -0400 Received: from robert (aqu33-3-82-226-195-151.fbx.proxad.net [82.226.195.151]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60255173520; Sun, 22 May 2005 19:18:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nicolas by robert with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DZuBQ-0000tw-1J; Sun, 22 May 2005 19:24:21 +0200 To: Han-Wen Nienhuys References: <878y27e2f3.fsf@free.fr> <4290A7B0.2020709@xs4all.nl> From: Nicolas Sceaux X-Face: "gf86$#p, 6cy*Hn!InZ-W/%Hq+@V\Of4rnxOf`tol$KI?yE7=, m0K+H[PW#\! gy8HEFjW$0a^#9H$SOaZ[/Y-7qfM[5)*x=qW7bX{[{}wc."y$5e; nU9rxhIq`F0LaSvl9ws%p{B0$3 cHU1dw^>dB:s7c>Ebsbo}d{r5@J]P>Hnbmx| Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 19:24:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4290A7B0.2020709@xs4all.nl> (Han-Wen Nienhuys's message of "Sun, 22 May 2005 17:39:28 +0200") Message-ID: <871x7zdvic.fsf@free.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: nicolas.sceaux@free.fr X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on robert) Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: \displayLilyMusic X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 17:22:46 -0000 Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > Nicolas Sceaux wrote: >> I have an nearly complete implementation of a \displayLilyMusic >> command. >> \displayLilyMusic \new Voice { \clef alto \time 3/4 \key g >> \minor c'2. | >> \once \override TextScript #'padding = #2 >> d'2 e'4^\markup { \bold { hello \italic world ! } } >> } >> ==> >> \new Voice { >> \clef "alto" >> \time 3/4 >> \key g \minor >> c'2. | >> \once \override TextScript #'padding = #2 >> d'2 e'4^\markup \line { \bold "hello" \bold \italic "world" \bold >> "!"} } >> \displayLilyMusic \transpose c' a { } >> ==> >> { < a, cis > < b, d > } >> Should there be such a command inside the LilyPond distribution? > > it would be wonderful to have it. My only reservation is > maintainability. How sensitive is this to breakage when we change the > music implementation (property names, etc?) This is indeed a major concern. Of course, the print method for a music type will stop working if the relevant property names are changed. Here is an example of such a method: (define-primary-print-method TimeScaledMusic (times) (parameterize ((*force-line-break* #f) (*time-factor-numerator* (ly:music-property times 'numerator)) (*time-factor-denominator* (ly:music-property times 'denominator))) (format #f "\\times ~a/~a ~a" (*time-factor-numerator*) (*time-factor-denominator*) (print-lily-music (ly:music-property times 'element))))) in this case, if numerator and denominator names change, it will print something like: \times ()/() { ... } Or if it is the element property that changes, it will print: \times 3/4 %{ expecting a music expression: () %} If a print method is not implemented for some music type: %{ Print method not implemented for music type StrangeEvent %} When I have finished implementing methods for the remaining music types, I'll send here the code. (I've just seen some improvements to do also). ;;BusyPlayingEvent ;;ClusterNoteEvent ;;FoldedRepeatedMusic ;;LyricCombineMusic ;;MelismaPlayingEvent ;;MultiMeasureTextEvent ;;NewLyricCombineMusic ;;NoteGroupingEvent ;;OutputPropertySetMusic ;;PartCombineMusic ;;PesOrFlexaEvent ;;QuoteMusic ;;ScriptEvent ;;SoloOneEvent ;;SoloTwoEvent ;;StartPlayingEvent ;;UnaCordaEvent ;;UnisonoEvent ;;UnrelativableMusic ;;UntransposableMusic A music pattern matcher was defined for recognizing some more complex expressions, eg: (add-print-method ContextSpeccedMusic (expr) "If `expr' is a bar, return \"\\bar ...\". Otherwise, return #f." (with-music-match (expr (music 'ContextSpeccedMusic element (music 'ContextSpeccedMusic context-type 'Timing element (music 'PropertySet value ?bar-type symbol 'whichBar)))) (format #f "\\bar \"~a\"~a" ?bar-type (print-lily-new-line)))) Here, if the implementation of bars changes somewhat, the default methods for contexts and property sets will be called. \context Score \set Timing . whichBar = #"||" nicolas From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 22 15:16:30 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZvw6-0001LD-Ja for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 15:16:30 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZvw4-0001Ka-Co for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 15:16:28 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZvw2-0001Jw-FU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 15:16:27 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZvw2-00018z-1R for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 15:16:26 -0400 Received: from [141.3.10.81] (helo=iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DZvii-0003k2-9D for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 15:02:41 -0400 Received: from irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.5]) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1DZvZb-0003Gm-BN; Sun, 22 May 2005 20:53:19 +0200 Received: from i41pc36.ipd.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.49.176] ident=[U2FsdGVkX19gURL2zYcIeUb8uBpH2zZpvtCZO+pC2XA=]) by irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1DZvZa-0007h7-3y; Sun, 22 May 2005 20:53:14 +0200 Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 20:53:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Juergen Reuter X-X-Sender: reuter@i41pc36.ipd.uni-karlsruhe.de To: Han-Wen Nienhuys In-Reply-To: <871x7zdvic.fsf@free.fr> Message-ID: References: <878y27e2f3.fsf@free.fr> <4290A7B0.2020709@xs4all.nl> <871x7zdvic.fsf@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Juergen Reuter Subject: Re: \displayLilyMusic X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 19:16:29 -0000 Han-Wen, actually, I would strongly welcome to see some kind of formal definition of the structure of lily music, maybe something analogous to an XML Schema definition, but for guile/scheme instead of XML: When implementing the "\ligature { }" command (see ly/gregorian-init.ly), I finally figured out that the structure of music expressions was somewhat different from what I naively expected. I did not realize this until I used Nicolas' \displayMusic function (which he sent to this list a couple of months ago), which helped me a lot in discovering the internal structure of music expressions in scheme (looking at the lily source code scattered over the whole source tree would probably have taken a tremendously bigger amount of time). If I would have had a formal definition of the structure, I would have been able to implement it directly from the specification rather than exploring with Nicolas' function how e.g. "\[ a \pes b \]" finally maps to scheme data structure. Having a formal definition probably also would allow for automatically creating the \displayLilyMusic function (if not, I probably wouldn't call it a (sufficiently complete) formal definition). This should solve the maintenance problem of the \displayLilyMusic function that you are mentioning (or at least reduce it to maintaining the formal definition). Moreover, on the long term with some additional glue code, the \displayLilyMusic function could lead to a smarter convert-ly that catches more conversions correctly (though, as Nicolas shows, with the current implementation, transpose information and probably more things like comments get lost). In general, having a central place, where the structure of the scheme representation of music expressions is well specified, probably would help very much in developing any scheme function that processes music. And it could also be used to generate programming documentation. Just a view thoughts... Juergen On Sun, 22 May 2005, Nicolas Sceaux wrote: > Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > >> Nicolas Sceaux wrote: >>> I have an nearly complete implementation of a \displayLilyMusic >>> command. >>> \displayLilyMusic \new Voice { \clef alto \time 3/4 \key g >>> \minor c'2. | >>> \once \override TextScript #'padding = #2 >>> d'2 e'4^\markup { \bold { hello \italic world ! } } >>> } >>> ==> >>> \new Voice { >>> \clef "alto" >>> \time 3/4 >>> \key g \minor >>> c'2. | >>> \once \override TextScript #'padding = #2 >>> d'2 e'4^\markup \line { \bold "hello" \bold \italic "world" \bold >>> "!"} } >>> \displayLilyMusic \transpose c' a { } >>> ==> >>> { < a, cis > < b, d > } >>> Should there be such a command inside the LilyPond distribution? >> >> it would be wonderful to have it. My only reservation is >> maintainability. How sensitive is this to breakage when we change the >> music implementation (property names, etc?) > > This is indeed a major concern. Of course, the print method for a > music type will stop working if the relevant property names are changed. > Here is an example of such a method: > > (define-primary-print-method TimeScaledMusic (times) > (parameterize ((*force-line-break* #f) > (*time-factor-numerator* (ly:music-property times 'numerator)) > (*time-factor-denominator* (ly:music-property times 'denominator))) > (format #f "\\times ~a/~a ~a" > (*time-factor-numerator*) > (*time-factor-denominator*) > (print-lily-music (ly:music-property times 'element))))) > > in this case, if numerator and denominator names change, it will print > something like: > \times ()/() { ... } > Or if it is the element property that changes, it will print: > \times 3/4 %{ expecting a music expression: () %} > > If a print method is not implemented for some music type: > %{ Print method not implemented for music type StrangeEvent %} > > When I have finished implementing methods for the remaining music > types, I'll send here the code. (I've just seen some improvements to > do also). > ;;BusyPlayingEvent > ;;ClusterNoteEvent > ;;FoldedRepeatedMusic > ;;LyricCombineMusic > ;;MelismaPlayingEvent > ;;MultiMeasureTextEvent > ;;NewLyricCombineMusic > ;;NoteGroupingEvent > ;;OutputPropertySetMusic > ;;PartCombineMusic > ;;PesOrFlexaEvent > ;;QuoteMusic > ;;ScriptEvent > ;;SoloOneEvent > ;;SoloTwoEvent > ;;StartPlayingEvent > ;;UnaCordaEvent > ;;UnisonoEvent > ;;UnrelativableMusic > ;;UntransposableMusic > > A music pattern matcher was defined for recognizing some more complex > expressions, eg: > > (add-print-method ContextSpeccedMusic (expr) > "If `expr' is a bar, return \"\\bar ...\". > Otherwise, return #f." > (with-music-match (expr (music > 'ContextSpeccedMusic > element (music > 'ContextSpeccedMusic > context-type 'Timing > element (music > 'PropertySet > value ?bar-type > symbol 'whichBar)))) > (format #f "\\bar \"~a\"~a" ?bar-type (print-lily-new-line)))) > > Here, if the implementation of bars changes somewhat, the default > methods for contexts and property sets will be called. > \context Score \set Timing . whichBar = #"||" > > nicolas > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 22 17:46:09 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZyGv-0000QQ-Ne for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 17:46:09 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZyGs-0000NT-Gj for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 17:46:07 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZyGq-0000MM-GZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 17:46:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZyGq-0000LB-2o for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 17:46:04 -0400 Received: from [213.228.0.62] (helo=postfix4-1.free.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZyMY-0000AT-De for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 17:51:58 -0400 Received: from robert (aqu33-3-82-226-195-151.fbx.proxad.net [82.226.195.151]) by postfix4-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DB5290430 for ; Sun, 22 May 2005 23:42:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nicolas by robert with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DZyJK-0000gu-PO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 23:48:43 +0200 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org References: <878y27e2f3.fsf@free.fr> <4290A7B0.2020709@xs4all.nl> <871x7zdvic.fsf@free.fr> From: Nicolas Sceaux X-Face: "gf86$#p, 6cy*Hn!InZ-W/%Hq+@V\Of4rnxOf`tol$KI?yE7=, m0K+H[PW#\! gy8HEFjW$0a^#9H$SOaZ[/Y-7qfM[5)*x=qW7bX{[{}wc."y$5e; nU9rxhIq`F0LaSvl9ws%p{B0$3 cHU1dw^>dB:s7c>Ebsbo}d{r5@J]P>Hnbmx| Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 23:48:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: <871x7zdvic.fsf@free.fr> (Nicolas Sceaux's message of "Sun, 22 May 2005 19:24:11 +0200") Message-ID: <87r7fzdj9l.fsf@free.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: nicolas.sceaux@free.fr X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on robert) Subject: Re: \displayLilyMusic X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 21:46:07 -0000 --=-=-= in case someone wants to play with it tonight (uh) Put in the scm/ directory --=-=-= Content-Disposition: inline; filename=test-display-lily.ly \version "2.5.25" %%#(set! %load-path (cons "/home/nicolas/lilypond/" %load-path)) #(use-modules (scm print-lily)) displayLilyMusic = #(def-music-function (parser location music) (ly:music?) (init-print-lily parser) (newline) (display-lily-music music) music) { \displayLilyMusic \new Voice { \clef alto \time 3/4 \key g \minor c'2. | \once \override TextScript #'padding = #2 d'2 e'4^\markup { \bold { hello \italic world ! } } } \displayLilyMusic \transpose c' a { } } --=-=-= nicolas --=-=-=-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 22 18:44:13 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZzB7-0007KM-4w for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 18:44:13 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZzB5-0007K5-QM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 18:44:11 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZzB4-0007JJ-6u for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 18:44:11 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZzB4-0007Id-21 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 18:44:10 -0400 Received: from [195.225.198.14] (helo=a4a.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DZzGL-0006Hr-8h for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 18:49:37 -0400 Received: from p54aa6e52.dip.t-dialin.net ([84.170.110.82] helo=tux.thomassen.a4a.de) by a4a.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.50) id 1DZz7B-0004uF-2g for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 00:40:16 +0200 From: Peter Thomassen To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 00:40:03 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200505230040.07956.info@peter-thomassen.de> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 84.170.110.82 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: info@peter-thomassen.de Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1553917.s8d4mNcRTy"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on a4a.de) Subject: Error in lily-341483803.ly:2:32 (Lilypond 2.5.25) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 22:44:12 -0000 --nextPart1553917.s8d4mNcRTy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi, I have installed Lilypond 2.5.25. The following error also occured with=20 2.5.24. I get the following error with Lilypond 2.5.25 (also 2.5.24) while typesett= ing=20 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/lily-34148= 3803.ly: peter@tux ~/Desktop/lilypond $ lilypond -V lily-341483803.ly GNU LilyPond 2.5.25 LILYPOND_DATADIR=3D"/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25" LOCALEDIR=3D"/usr/share/locale" Effective prefix: "/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25" [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/lily-library.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/file-cache.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/define-music-types.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/output-lib.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/c++.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/chord-ignatzek-names.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/chord-entry.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/chord-generic-names.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/stencil.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/markup.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/bass-figure.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/music-functions.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/part-combiner.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/define-music-properties.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/auto-beam.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/chord-name.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/ly-from-scheme.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/define-context-properties.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/translation-functions.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/script.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/midi.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/beam.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/clef.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/slur.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/font.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/encoding.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/fret-diagrams.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/define-markup-commands.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/define-grob-properties.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/define-grobs.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/define-grob-interfaces.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/page-layout.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/titling.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/paper.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/backend-library.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/x11-color.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/safe-lily.scm] Initializing FontConfig... warning: FontConfig cache out of date. Rebuilding may take some time. adding font directory: /usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/otf/ adding font directory: /usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/type1/ adding font directory: /usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/svg/ Processing `lily-341483803.ly' Parsing... [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/init.ly[/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/declar= ations-init.ly[/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/music-functions-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/nederlands.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/drumpitch-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/chord-modifiers-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/script-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/scale-definitions-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/grace-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/midi-init.ly[/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/p= erformer-init.ly]] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/paper-defaults.ly[/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25= /ly/titling-init.ly]] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/engraver-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/dynamic-scripts-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/spanners-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/property-init.ly]][lily-341483803.ly] Interpreting music...=20 [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/otf//emmentaler-20.otf] elapsed time: 0.03 seconds Element count 26 (spanners 7) Preprocessing graphical objects... Grob count 48[/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/otf//emmentaler-11.otf] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/otf//emmentaler-13.otf] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/otf//emmentaler-14.otf] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/otf//emmentaler-16.otf] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/otf//emmentaler-18.otf] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/otf//emmentaler-23.otf] Calculating line breaks... Global shortest duration is 3/16 [century_schoolbook_l__bold_4.869140625][2] Optimal demerits: 0.000000 Element count 36.[0]Backtrace: In unknown file: ?: 0* [lilypond-main ("lily-341483803.ly")] In /usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/lily.scm: 345: 1* (let ((failed #)) (if (pair? failed) (begin # #) (begin # #))) 345: 2* [lilypond-all ("lily-341483803.ly")] 360: 3 (let* ((failed #) (handler #)) (for-each (lambda # #) files)) In /usr/share/guile/1.6/srfi/srfi-1.scm: ... 667: 4 (begin (f (car l)) (lp (cdr l))) 668: 5* [# "lily-341483803.ly"] In /usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/lily.scm: 364: 6 [lilypond-file #=20 "lily-341483803.ly"] 367: 7* [catch ly-file-failed # #] In unknown file: ?: 8* [#] In /usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/lily.scm: 368: 9* [ly:parse-file "lily-341483803.ly"] In unknown file: ?: 10* [# # #] In lily-341483803.ly: 2: 11* [ly:parser-print-score # #] lily-341483803.ly:2:32: In procedure module-lookup in expression=20 (ly:parser-print-score p (ly:music-scorify m p)): lily-341483803.ly:2:32: unbound variable: output-classic-framework peter@tux ~/Desktop/lilypond $=20 Do you have an idea on why this happens? Thank you! =2D-=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Peter Thomassen =E2=80=A2 Steigerwaldstr. 4 =E2=80=A2 = 97076 W=C3=BCrzburg =E2=80=A2 Germany =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://www.peter-thomassen.de/ =E2=80=A2 = info@peter-thomassen.de =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fon +49-931-2705351 = =E2=80=A2 mobile +49-160-6789161 --nextPart1553917.s8d4mNcRTy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.9.15 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCkQpHgHPAbiwCZaYRAmMQAJ4tKbmNrSYgNvJon3I8UYEN30TgJwCg3bkb 59NcQvCBOCZiXzS9+dhWKns= =XDRB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1553917.s8d4mNcRTy-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 22 19:22:08 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DZzlm-0002q7-Uo for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 19:22:07 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZzlf-0002nM-AF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 19:21:59 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DZzla-0002jK-Po for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 19:21:56 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZzlZ-0002ed-Mo for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 19:21:53 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.32] (helo=smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DZzqu-0007VT-O9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 19:27:25 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4MNHvJ1070985; Mon, 23 May 2005 01:18:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@lilypond.org) Message-ID: <429113A4.9020700@lilypond.org> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 01:20:04 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Reuter References: <878y27e2f3.fsf@free.fr> <4290A7B0.2020709@xs4all.nl> <871x7zdvic.fsf@free.fr> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: \displayLilyMusic X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 23:22:03 -0000 Juergen Reuter wrote: > In general, having a central place, where the structure of the scheme > representation of music expressions is well specified, probably would > help very much in developing any scheme function that processes music. > And it could also be used to generate programming documentation. Hi, Whoever reads formal definitions when there is something else? I think that \displayMusic is infinitely more useful than some kind of pseudo-formal document that nobody ever reads anyway. As for formal definitions, we have parser.yy sitting right there for you. I'm also afraid that such documentation might (wrongly) suggest that the format will never change. Whenever we find a way to improve the implementation, we will do so, and I will not be stopped by documentation. Rather, there is a risk that we will leave bad code, just because we invested a lot of work in writing docs. That's also why I'm a huge fan of the auto-generated documentation. It's much easier to keep up to date with LilyPond itself. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@lilypond.org LilyPond Software Design - http://www.lilypond-design.com From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 22 19:39:50 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Da02v-0001he-RG for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 19:39:50 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Da02o-0001eD-KI for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 19:39:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Da02l-0001cG-GO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 19:39:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Da02k-0001c8-Sx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 19:39:38 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.26] (helo=smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Da01O-0001qb-EN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 19:38:14 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4MNSt4e019397; Mon, 23 May 2005 01:28:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <42911637.9040706@xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 01:31:03 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nicolas Sceaux References: <878y27e2f3.fsf@free.fr> <4290A7B0.2020709@xs4all.nl> <871x7zdvic.fsf@free.fr> In-Reply-To: <871x7zdvic.fsf@free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: \displayLilyMusic X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 23:39:44 -0000 Nicolas Sceaux wrote: > > When I have finished implementing methods for the remaining music > types, I'll send here the code. (I've just seen some improvements to > do also). > ;;BusyPlayingEvent this one is never entered. It's an internal communication device > ;;SoloOneEvent > ;;SoloTwoEvent > ;;UnisonoEvent idem. > ;;UntransposableMusic I've removed this one. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 23 12:53:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DaGBN-0000EX-2I for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:53:37 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DaGBL-0000DB-2j for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:53:35 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DaGBK-0000Cb-DM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:53:34 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaGA9-0007gC-9K; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:52:22 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DaFxn-0003iR-Cn; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:39:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id B642961A90; Mon, 23 May 2005 18:30:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 29930-04; Mon, 23 May 2005 18:30:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A1F61A91; Mon, 23 May 2005 18:30:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3830E61A90; Mon, 23 May 2005 18:30:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4292050C.9030204@s3.kth.se> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 18:30:04 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fairchild References: <001c01c55fad$92b8c250$6501a8c0@Notebook> In-Reply-To: <001c01c55fad$92b8c250$6501a8c0@Notebook> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org, lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: FW: MultiMeasureRest font-size X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 16:53:35 -0000 Can you motivate a situation where it is interesting to change that size. The (vertical) length of the end lines is now determined as twice the separation between two staff lines, according to normal typesetting practice. If you change the size of the stave itself, this length should automatically be adjusted correspondingly, so there's no reason to use the font-size to adjust to such a situation (in contrast to ordinary rests or note heads). Maybe it could be useful for cue notes, but I cannot recall how it's done in printed scores (don't even know if I have ever seen a "church rest" in a cue). /Mats Fairchild wrote: > This thread inspires a feature request. > > In v 2.4.3, simple MultiMeasure rests can only be scaled piecewise. Please > implement font-size for MultiMeasureRest so it is effective for simple rests > as well as church rests. > > If this is not possible, at least add length of the vertical end lines and > length of the horizontal bar to the handles now available. > > See: > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond-internals/M > ultiMeasureRest.html#MultiMeasureRest > > Thanks. > > - Bruce > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ruud van Silfhout [mailto:Ruud.vanSilfhout@mutopiaproject.org] > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 3:04 PM > To: Fairchild > Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org > Subject: Re: MultiMeasureRest font-size > > > Bruce, > > AFAICT from the code there is no such property. You could send in a > feature request :-) > > Ruud > > Fairchild wrote: > > >>Ruud - >> >>Thanks for the pointer. >> >>It seems that font-size for simple MultiMeasureRest has at least three >>components. Horizontal bar thickness is controlled with \override >>MultiMeasureRest #'thick-thickness and thickness of vertical bars at >>ends with \override MultiMeasureRest #'hair-thickness. Still haven't >>found the third wanted component: length of vertical end bars. >> >> - Bruce >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Ruud van Silfhout [mailto:Ruud.vanSilfhout@mutopiaproject.org] >>Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 7:44 AM >>To: Fairchild >>Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org >>Subject: Re: MultiMeasureRest font-size >> >> >>Bruce, >> >>Apart from a MultiMeasureRest object, also a MultiMeasureRestNumber >>object and a MultiMeasureRestText object exists. >>You can find this information in the program reference >>http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond-internals/ > > Multi_005fmeasure_005frest_005fengraver.html#Multi_005fmeasure_005frest_005f > e > >>ngraver >>when you change the line >> \override MultiMeasureRest #'font-size = #6 >>into >> \override MultiMeasureRestNumber #'font-size = #6 >>the number above is scaled accordingly. >> >>Ruud. >> >>Fairchild wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>What's the clue for changing font size of simple multimeasure rests? >>> >>>\override MultiMeasureRest #'font-size = #6 >>> >>>controls church rests, but doesn't effect the simple style in the >>>attached example, which expands the snippet in 8.2.3 of the user >>>manual. >>> >>> - Bruce >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>- >>>- >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>lilypond-user mailing list >>>lilypond-user@gnu.org >>>http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 23 16:12:34 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DaJHn-00063D-En for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 16:12:27 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DaJHa-0005rl-DY for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 16:12:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DaJHY-0005pG-55 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 16:12:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaJHW-0005gQ-Qa for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 16:12:10 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DaJ54-0002ko-Kg for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:59:18 -0400 Received: from pd3mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr5so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.12]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGY00JP9KU35L80@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:58:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.7]) by pd3mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IGY00B5AKU2FRE0@pd3mr5so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:58:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IGY00F3NKU1QB@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:58:50 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:58:50 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <1116688906.12411.2.camel@lily_fedora> To: Carl Sorensen Message-id: <51fa48b40814ad48b3b4efddf4383d74@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <492fa3c608047242b43977439798a763@shaw.ca> <57cb7abe78ab5903980406acf40e08c4@xs4all.nl> <1116688906.12411.2.camel@lily_fedora> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: (Unified) index X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:12:16 -0000 On 21-May-05, at 8:21 AM, Carl Sorensen wrote: > How about the names "Lilypond Index" or "Documentation Index" or > "Manual > Index"? I agree that "Index" would be the best, but I like all three > of > these names better than "Unified Index". I agree. Done in CVS. - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 23 17:54:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DaKsf-0008O7-7S for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 17:54:37 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DaFIt-0000rb-O0 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:57:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DaFIm-0000nF-OH for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:57:13 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaFIk-0000gM-Lf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:57:11 -0400 Received: from [24.214.63.101] (helo=smtp.knology.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DaFGu-0004lT-N1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:55:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 4394 invoked by uid 0); 23 May 2005 15:39:07 -0000 Received: from user-24-214-73-158.knology.net (HELO Notebook) (24.214.73.158) by smtp1.knology.net with SMTP; 23 May 2005 15:39:07 -0000 From: "Fairchild" To: Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:39:08 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c55fad$92b8c250$6501a8c0@Notebook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:54:36 -0400 Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: FW: MultiMeasureRest font-size X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:57:22 -0000 This thread inspires a feature request. In v 2.4.3, simple MultiMeasure rests can only be scaled piecewise. = Please implement font-size for MultiMeasureRest so it is effective for simple = rests as well as church rests. If this is not possible, at least add length of the vertical end lines = and length of the horizontal bar to the handles now available. See: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond-internal= s/M ultiMeasureRest.html#MultiMeasureRest Thanks. - Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Ruud van Silfhout [mailto:Ruud.vanSilfhout@mutopiaproject.org]=20 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 3:04 PM To: Fairchild Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: MultiMeasureRest font-size Bruce, AFAICT from the code there is no such property. You could send in a=20 feature request :-) Ruud Fairchild wrote: >Ruud - > >Thanks for the pointer. > >It seems that font-size for simple MultiMeasureRest has at least three=20 >components. Horizontal bar thickness is controlled with \override=20 >MultiMeasureRest #'thick-thickness and thickness of vertical bars at=20 >ends with \override MultiMeasureRest #'hair-thickness. Still haven't=20 >found the third wanted component: length of vertical end bars. > > - Bruce > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ruud van Silfhout [mailto:Ruud.vanSilfhout@mutopiaproject.org] >Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 7:44 AM >To: Fairchild >Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org >Subject: Re: MultiMeasureRest font-size > > >Bruce, > >Apart from a MultiMeasureRest object, also a MultiMeasureRestNumber >object and a MultiMeasureRestText object exists. >You can find this information in the program reference >http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond-interna= ls/ Multi_005fmeasure_005frest_005fengraver.html#Multi_005fmeasure_005frest_0= 05f e >ngraver >when you change the line > \override MultiMeasureRest #'font-size =3D #6 >into =20 > \override MultiMeasureRestNumber #'font-size =3D #6 >the number above is scaled accordingly. > >Ruud. > >Fairchild wrote: > > =20 > >>What's the clue for changing font size of simple multimeasure rests? >> >>\override MultiMeasureRest #'font-size =3D #6 >> >>controls church rests, but doesn't effect the simple style in the >>attached example, which expands the snippet in 8.2.3 of the user=20 >>manual. >> >> - Bruce >>=20 >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>- >>- >> >>_______________________________________________ >>lilypond-user mailing list >>lilypond-user@gnu.org >>http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user >>=20 >> >> =20 >> > > > > > > > =20 > From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 23 17:54:37 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DaKsf-0008OC-D2 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 17:54:37 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DaGWU-0004oI-OE for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:15:27 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DaGWQ-0004mD-Rs for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:15:23 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaGWQ-0004jw-66 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:15:22 -0400 Received: from [24.214.63.101] (helo=smtp.knology.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DaGbL-00042I-Qg for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:20:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 2268 invoked by uid 0); 23 May 2005 17:04:19 -0000 Received: from user-24-214-73-158.knology.net (HELO Notebook) (24.214.73.158) by smtp7.knology.net with SMTP; 23 May 2005 17:04:19 -0000 From: "Fairchild" To: "'Mats Bengtsson'" Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:04:17 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c55fb9$79716430$6501a8c0@Notebook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: <4292050C.9030204@s3.kth.se> Importance: Normal X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:54:36 -0400 Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org, lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: RE: FW: MultiMeasureRest font-size X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:15:28 -0000 Mats - No substantive argument. Certainly not a high priority thing. Just = seems nice for consistency and completeness. - Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se]=20 Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 11:30 AM To: Fairchild Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org; lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: FW: MultiMeasureRest font-size Can you motivate a situation where it is interesting to change that size. The (vertical) length of the end lines is now determined as twice the separation between two staff lines, = according to normal typesetting practice. If you change the size of the stave = itself, this length should automatically be adjusted correspondingly, so there's = no reason to use the font-size to adjust to such a situation (in contrast = to ordinary rests or note heads). Maybe it could be useful for cue notes, = but I cannot recall how it's done in printed scores (don't even know if I have ever seen a "church rest" in a cue). /Mats Fairchild wrote: > This thread inspires a feature request. >=20 > In v 2.4.3, simple MultiMeasure rests can only be scaled piecewise. =20 > Please implement font-size for MultiMeasureRest so it is effective for = > simple rests as well as church rests. >=20 > If this is not possible, at least add length of the vertical end lines = > and length of the horizontal bar to the handles now available. >=20 > See:=20 > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond-inter > nals/M > ultiMeasureRest.html#MultiMeasureRest >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > - Bruce >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ruud van Silfhout [mailto:Ruud.vanSilfhout@mutopiaproject.org] > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 3:04 PM > To: Fairchild > Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org > Subject: Re: MultiMeasureRest font-size >=20 >=20 > Bruce, >=20 > AFAICT from the code there is no such property. You could send in a > feature request :-) >=20 > Ruud >=20 > Fairchild wrote: >=20 >=20 >>Ruud - >> >>Thanks for the pointer. >> >>It seems that font-size for simple MultiMeasureRest has at least three >>components. Horizontal bar thickness is controlled with \override=20 >>MultiMeasureRest #'thick-thickness and thickness of vertical bars at=20 >>ends with \override MultiMeasureRest #'hair-thickness. Still haven't=20 >>found the third wanted component: length of vertical end bars. >> >> - Bruce >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Ruud van Silfhout [mailto:Ruud.vanSilfhout@mutopiaproject.org] >>Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 7:44 AM >>To: Fairchild >>Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org >>Subject: Re: MultiMeasureRest font-size >> >> >>Bruce, >> >>Apart from a MultiMeasureRest object, also a MultiMeasureRestNumber=20 >>object and a MultiMeasureRestText object exists. You can find this=20 >>information in the program reference=20 >>http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond-inter >>nals/ >=20 > Multi_005fmeasure_005frest_005fengraver.html#Multi_005fmeasure_005fres > t_005f > e >=20 >>ngraver >>when you change the line >> \override MultiMeasureRest #'font-size =3D #6 >>into =20 >> \override MultiMeasureRestNumber #'font-size =3D #6 >>the number above is scaled accordingly. >> >>Ruud. >> >>Fairchild wrote: >> >>=20 >> >> >>>What's the clue for changing font size of simple multimeasure rests? >>> >>>\override MultiMeasureRest #'font-size =3D #6 >>> >>>controls church rests, but doesn't effect the simple style in the=20 >>>attached example, which expands the snippet in 8.2.3 of the user=20 >>>manual. >>> >>> - Bruce >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>- >>>- >>>- >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>lilypond-user mailing list >>>lilypond-user@gnu.org=20 >>>http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user >>> >>> >>> =20 >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>=20 >> >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org=20 > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 =09 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 24 12:12:09 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dac0m-0005Sg-Mp for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:12:08 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dac0j-0005Ql-Kn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:12:05 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dac0h-0005PX-DB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:12:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dac0g-0005Ou-Ix for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:12:02 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd2mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DabxP-0000eT-2i for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:08:39 -0400 Received: from pd5mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr8so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.184]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH0000BD4SZPT90@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:07:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd5mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH000C1K4SZCEO0@pd5mr8so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:07:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IH000A2B4SYWY@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:07:46 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 09:07:45 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <428DF8CF.2070207@s3.kth.se> To: Mats Bengtsson Message-id: <69ef9db74c82706478de88440204b89b@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <764a3b4ab836911b26f86eedb119ec52@shaw.ca> <428DD6F6.2050903@s3.kth.se> <428DF8CF.2070207@s3.kth.se> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: feta chars in LaTeX X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:12:06 -0000 On 20-May-05, at 7:48 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > In that case it's better to implement an additional command > like \lilypondmusicglyph{scripts.turn} that lilypond-book > will recognize and replace with the appropriate TeX code > (hmm, what should be done for the HTML mode?). > This looks like a project beyond 2.6. OK. I've @ignore'd that part of the docs. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 24 12:12:16 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dac0u-0005Vs-8W for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:12:16 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dac0o-0005TK-TW for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:12:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dac0k-0005RG-8S for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:12:07 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dac0k-0005Ou-1Z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:12:06 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dabvd-0000Lq-Bj for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:06:49 -0400 Received: from pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr4so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.215]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH000M2U4R006LG@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH000COW4R0HR40@pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IH000A184QZWR@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:06:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 09:06:34 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <200505230040.07956.info@peter-thomassen.de> To: Peter Thomassen Message-id: <3dac1b10e6b2c8e7afbb27f0359eb6c1@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <200505230040.07956.info@peter-thomassen.de> Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Error in lily-341483803.ly:2:32 (Lilypond 2.5.25) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:12:14 -0000 On 22-May-05, at 3:40 PM, Peter Thomassen wrote: > I get the following error with Lilypond 2.5.25 (also 2.5.24) while > typesetting > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/lily > -341483803.ly: I've fixed a few things in the docs since then, and I recently built the docs without a critical problem. If the error occurs again, please send another email which includes the file it fails on. Thanks! - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 24 15:26:47 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Daf39-0006EE-DR for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:26:47 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Daf37-0006D9-N3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:26:45 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Daf36-0006Ce-Vp for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:26:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Daezu-0004eQ-L1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:23:26 -0400 Received: from [195.225.198.14] (helo=a4a.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DaeQk-0006oe-NX for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:47:07 -0400 Received: from p54aa5786.dip.t-dialin.net ([84.170.87.134] helo=tux.thomassen.a4a.de) by a4a.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.50) id 1DaeQL-0002QB-Dh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 20:46:49 +0200 From: Peter Thomassen To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 20:46:41 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200505230040.07956.info@peter-thomassen.de> <3dac1b10e6b2c8e7afbb27f0359eb6c1@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <3dac1b10e6b2c8e7afbb27f0359eb6c1@shaw.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200505242046.41974.info@peter-thomassen.de> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 84.170.87.134 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: info@peter-thomassen.de Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart5507799.4G1I4igzan"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on a4a.de) Subject: Re: Error in lily-341483803.ly:2:32 (Lilypond 2.5.25) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 19:26:46 -0000 --nextPart5507799.4G1I4igzan Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Am Dienstag, 24. Mai 2005 18:06 schrieb Graham Percival: > On 22-May-05, at 3:40 PM, Peter Thomassen wrote: > > I get the following error with Lilypond 2.5.25 (also 2.5.24) while > > typesetting > > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/lily > > -341483803.ly: > > I've fixed a few things in the docs since then, and I recently built > the docs > without a critical problem. If the error occurs again, please send > another > email which includes the file it fails on. The problem is still occuring with=20 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/lily-10737= 87427.ly,=20 but I think its not docs-related but a problem with the file mentioned in t= he=20 error message. Here it is again: peter@tux ~/Desktop/lilypond $ lilypond -V lily-1073787427.ly GNU LilyPond 2.5.25 LILYPOND_DATADIR=3D"/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25" LOCALEDIR=3D"/usr/share/locale" Effective prefix: "/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25" [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/lily-library.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/file-cache.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/define-music-types.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/output-lib.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/c++.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/chord-ignatzek-names.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/chord-entry.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/chord-generic-names.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/stencil.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/markup.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/bass-figure.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/music-functions.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/part-combiner.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/define-music-properties.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/auto-beam.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/chord-name.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/ly-from-scheme.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/define-context-properties.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/translation-functions.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/script.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/midi.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/beam.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/clef.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/slur.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/font.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/encoding.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/fret-diagrams.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/define-markup-commands.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/define-grob-properties.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/define-grobs.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/define-grob-interfaces.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/page-layout.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/titling.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/paper.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/backend-library.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/x11-color.scm] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/safe-lily.scm] Initializing FontConfig... warning: FontConfig cache out of date. Rebuilding may take some time. adding font directory: /usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/otf/ adding font directory: /usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/type1/ adding font directory: /usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/svg/ Processing `lily-1073787427.ly' Parsing... [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/init.ly[/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/declar= ations-init.ly[/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/music-functions-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/nederlands.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/drumpitch-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/chord-modifiers-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/script-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/scale-definitions-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/grace-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/midi-init.ly[/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/p= erformer-init.ly]] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/paper-defaults.ly[/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25= /ly/titling-init.ly]] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/engraver-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/dynamic-scripts-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/spanners-init.ly] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/ly/property-init.ly]][lily-1073787427.ly] Interpreting music...=20 [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/otf//emmentaler-20.otf] elapsed time: 0.02 seconds Element count 26 (spanners 7) Preprocessing graphical objects... Grob count 48[/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/otf//emmentaler-11.otf] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/otf//emmentaler-13.otf] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/otf//emmentaler-14.otf] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/otf//emmentaler-16.otf] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/otf//emmentaler-18.otf] [/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/otf//emmentaler-23.otf] Calculating line breaks... Global shortest duration is 3/16 [century_schoolbook_l__bold_4.869140625][2] Optimal demerits: 0.000000 Element count 36.[0]Backtrace: In unknown file: ?: 0* [lilypond-main ("lily-1073787427.ly")] In /usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/lily.scm: 345: 1* (let ((failed #)) (if (pair? failed) (begin # #) (begin # #))) 345: 2* [lilypond-all ("lily-1073787427.ly")] 360: 3 (let* ((failed #) (handler #)) (for-each (lambda # #) files)) In /usr/share/guile/1.6/srfi/srfi-1.scm: ... 667: 4 (begin (f (car l)) (lp (cdr l))) 668: 5* [# "lily-1073787427.ly"] In /usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/lily.scm: 364: 6 [lilypond-file #=20 "lily-1073787427.ly"] 367: 7* [catch ly-file-failed # #] In unknown file: ?: 8* [#] In /usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/scm/lily.scm: 368: 9* [ly:parse-file "lily-1073787427.ly"] In unknown file: ?: 10* [# # #] In lily-1073787427.ly: 2: 11* [ly:parser-print-score # #] lily-1073787427.ly:2:32: In procedure module-lookup in expression=20 (ly:parser-print-score p (ly:music-scorify m p)): lily-1073787427.ly:2:32: unbound variable: output-classic-framework peter@tux ~/Desktop/lilypond $ =20 Thank you. =2D-=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Peter Thomassen =E2=80=A2 Steigerwaldstr. 4 =E2=80=A2 = 97076 W=C3=BCrzburg =E2=80=A2 Germany =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://www.peter-thomassen.de/ =E2=80=A2 = info@peter-thomassen.de =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fon +49-931-2705351 = =E2=80=A2 mobile +49-160-6789161 --nextPart5507799.4G1I4igzan Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.9.15 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCk3aRgHPAbiwCZaYRAi7YAJsHGQ13nZz/jCgp3pFpC2yvXOBuNwCg2x6t 5P8RLPm2UKE5EH8qNBW3A9w= =aV5d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart5507799.4G1I4igzan-- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 07:16:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DatsW-0000TN-Um for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 07:16:49 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DatsR-0000Pq-Bx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 07:16:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DatsO-0000OD-TT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 07:16:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DatsO-0000MV-EU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 07:16:40 -0400 Received: from [130.238.4.153] (helo=pernis.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Datk2-0002TW-HZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 07:08:03 -0400 Received: by pernis.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id 2E58F339; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:07:38 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from pernis.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by pernis.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s385; Wed, 25 May 05 13:07:32 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.56] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by pernis.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00E41AD; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:07:32 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:07:36 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200505230040.07956.info@peter-thomassen.de> In-Reply-To: <200505230040.07956.info@peter-thomassen.de> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505251307.37847.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: Subject: Re: Error in lily-341483803.ly:2:32 (Lilypond 2.5.25) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 11:16:46 -0000 On Monday 23 May 2005 00.40, Peter Thomassen wrote: > Hi, > > I have installed Lilypond 2.5.25. The following error also occured with > 2.5.24. > > I get the following error with Lilypond 2.5.25 (also 2.5.24) while > typesetting > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/lily-34148 >3803.ly: I can't reproduce. Did you remove the first few lines of the .ly file? Everything before the "\relative c''" line is just meant for lilypond-book output. -- Erik Sandberg Maintainer of the Lilypond bug CVS archive, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/lilypond/lily-bugs/bugs/ http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/bugs/out/index.html From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 08:17:12 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dauow-0000mQ-Po for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:17:11 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dauor-0000kY-5x for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:17:05 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dauo7-0000Rm-7Y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:16:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dauo2-0000F1-P1; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:16:14 -0400 Received: from [130.238.7.33] (helo=limicola.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DaumK-0004jp-BK; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:14:28 -0400 Received: by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id 06B334A40; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:14:02 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from limicola.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by limicola.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s186390; Wed, 25 May 05 14:13:56 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.56] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DEA4846; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:13:56 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, bug-lilypond@gnu.org Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:13:54 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <1116745324.32617.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1116745324.32617.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505251413.56142.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: Subject: Re: Bass tab problem X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:17:07 -0000 On Sunday 22 May 2005 09.02, Tyler Eaves wrote: > I'm trying to do some simple bass tablature in the latest version > (2.5.24). > > Attached you will find the source file I'm using and a sample output > file. The problem is that the number of lines for the tab staff is off, > and the numbers aren't centered. I actually reported this bug way back Thanks for the report. It appears however that the number-of-lines problem is fixed in 2.5.25. The numbers still aren't centered though, so I added this to the bug database. %important %Tyler Eaves \header{ texidoc = "Tablature numbers aren't centered vertically." reportedin = "2.5.24" } \version "2.5.25" music = { %Actual notes go here e,,4 e,, e,, e,, } << \new Staff {\clef bass \transpose c c' \music} \new TabStaff << \set TabStaff.stringTunings = #'(-17 -22 -27 -32) { \music } >> >> -- Erik Sandberg Maintainer of the Lilypond bug CVS archive, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/lilypond/lily-bugs/bugs/ http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/bugs/out/index.html From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 09:07:30 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Davba-0003Ml-7Z for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:07:26 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DavbS-0003KX-Ao for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:07:19 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DavbQ-0003Jj-Gf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:07:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DavbO-0003D8-4p for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:07:14 -0400 Received: from [130.238.4.153] (helo=pernis.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DavSm-0003Nn-MI for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:58:21 -0400 Received: by pernis.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id 8C7E0346; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:57:54 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from pernis.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by pernis.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s374; Wed, 25 May 05 14:57:45 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.56] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by pernis.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF1439E; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:57:45 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:57:36 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20050520164015.16261.qmail@webmail09.mesa1.secureserver.net> In-Reply-To: <20050520164015.16261.qmail@webmail09.mesa1.secureserver.net> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505251457.39000.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: steveweb414@nerstrand.net Subject: Re: Stemming for hymnal X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:07:21 -0000 On Friday 20 May 2005 18.40, steveweb414@nerstrand.net wrote: > Still having some unresolved trouble with stems for my public domain > hymnal project. > > I've attached an excerpt to show you what I'm doing. I think it would be enough to use the part combiner, but replace the line (chord-threshold 8) with (chord-threshold 0) in scm/part-combiner.scm, and use \partcombine. Unfortunately, I can't find out how to do the change easily without messing with your lilypond installation. Han-Wen, would it be a good idea to make the threshold tweakable? Erik From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 09:39:41 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Daw6m-0007Jf-Vg for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:39:41 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Daw6k-0007IX-7w for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:39:38 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Daw6f-0007Gx-5O for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:39:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Daw6e-0007CH-DH for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:39:32 -0400 Received: from [64.233.184.203] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Daw2C-00020m-CD for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:34:56 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so179410wri for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 06:34:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=amOZVIzLpXOQBaO4i5stGSJCbT+jo02U+eQ3cqvxZTgv/eLW95ZyKTRKZm3OFkbQqpVaaM6fg2tsPhIWzb7bPucOrQ9hyoq33MXGNXg9aIXZWhKqHXvzalo3kgQic547d7yg0v2orGuTVgORsfzvyaXtszsLDLfbyNlfZnfJ6EM= Received: by 10.54.37.8 with SMTP id k8mr350426wrk; Wed, 25 May 2005 06:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.7.74 with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 06:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:34:29 +0200 From: Erlend Aasland To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se In-Reply-To: <200505251413.56142.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_2003_7124316.1117028069904" References: <1116745324.32617.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200505251413.56142.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: bug-lilypond@gnu.org, lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Bass tab problem X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Erlend Aasland List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:39:38 -0000 ------=_Part_2003_7124316.1117028069904 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2004_16175933.1117028069904" ------=_Part_2004_16175933.1117028069904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hmmm, I've got a patch that I think fixed this (I've not verified that it= =20 works against newer releases, and I haven't got time to check it either).= =20 You could try it and see if it works... Erlend On 5/25/05, Erik Sandberg wrote: >=20 > On Sunday 22 May 2005 09.02, Tyler Eaves wrote: > > I'm trying to do some simple bass tablature in the latest version > > (2.5.24). > > > > Attached you will find the source file I'm using and a sample output > > file. The problem is that the number of lines for the tab staff is off, > > and the numbers aren't centered. I actually reported this bug way back >=20 > Thanks for the report. It appears however that the number-of-lines proble= m=20 > is > fixed in 2.5.25. >=20 > The numbers still aren't centered though, so I added this to the bug=20 > database. > %important > %Tyler Eaves >=20 > \header{ > texidoc =3D "Tablature numbers aren't centered vertically." >=20 > reportedin =3D "2.5.24" > } >=20 > \version "2.5.25" >=20 > music =3D { > %Actual notes go here > e,,4 e,, e,, e,, > } >=20 > << > \new Staff {\clef bass \transpose c c' \music} > \new TabStaff > << > \set TabStaff.stringTunings =3D #'(-17 -22 -27 -32) >=20 > { > \music > } > >> > >> >=20 > -- > Erik Sandberg > Maintainer of the Lilypond bug CVS archive, > http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/lilypond/lily-bugs/bugs/ > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.5/bugs/out/index.html >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > ------=_Part_2004_16175933.1117028069904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hmmm, I've got a patch that I think fixed this (I've not verified that it works against newer releases, and I haven't got time to check it either). You could try it and see if it works...

Erlend

On 5/25/05, Erik Sandberg <erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se> wrote: On Sunday 22 May 2005 09.02, Tyler Eaves wrote:
> I'm trying to do so= me simple bass tablature in the latest version
> (2.5.24).
>> Attached you will find the source file I'm using and a sample output
> file. The problem is that the number of lines for the tab staff is= off,
> and the numbers aren't centered. I actually reported this bug= way back

Thanks for the report. It appears however that the number-= of-lines problem is
fixed in 2.5.25.

The numbers still aren't centered though, so I = added this to the bug database.
%important
%Tyler Eaves <tyler@cg2.org>

\header{
texidoc = =3D "Tablature numbers aren't centered vertically."

reportedin =3D "2.5.24"
}

\version "2.5.25= "

music =3D {
%Actual notes go here
  e,,4 e,, = e,, e,,
}

<<
  \new Staff {\clef bass \transpo= se c c' \music}
  \new TabStaff
  <<
    \set TabStaff.stringTun= ings =3D #'(-17 -22 -27 -32)

    {
 &nbs= p;  \music
    }
  >>>>

--
Erik Sandberg
Maintainer of the Lilypond bug CVS= archive,
http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/lilypond/lily-bugs/bugs/
http://lilypond.o= rg/doc/v2.5/bugs/out/index.html


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I'm guessing not, but I need to ask. I'm specifically wondering about copyright. In previous versions, we could do \header{ copyright = "\center \copyright FooBar 2005" } (or some variation of that.) Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 11:30:25 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Daxpx-0007yQ-Cd for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:30:25 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Daxno-0007JS-Px for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:28:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DaxnX-0007G5-Fk for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:27:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaxnX-00073H-AO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:27:55 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Daxct-00054B-7J for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:16:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BA561A8B; Wed, 25 May 2005 17:16:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 04139-03; Wed, 25 May 2005 17:16:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7F361A90; Wed, 25 May 2005 17:16:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF9161A8B; Wed, 25 May 2005 17:16:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <429496CA.70009@s3.kth.se> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:16:26 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: latex in \markup X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:30:21 -0000 You just have to find out how to input that particular symbol with your keyboard and your text editor. On my Linux box, I can press Alt Gr and C to get a =A9. Since LilyPond 2.5+ no longer uses TeX, you cannot use TeX commands. /Mats Graham Percival wrote: > Is it still possible to use LaTeX chars in \markup{} ? I'm guessing=20 > not, but > I need to ask. I'm specifically wondering about copyright. In previou= s > versions, we could do >=20 > \header{ > copyright =3D "\center \copyright FooBar 2005" > } > (or some variation of that.) >=20 >=20 > Cheers, > - Graham >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 =09 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 11:43:06 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Day2D-0006Rq-NF for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:43:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Day21-0006NP-Jk for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:42:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Day1z-0006MS-NL for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:42:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Day1w-0006A5-S1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:42:49 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Daxro-0008BA-8I for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:32:20 -0400 Received: from pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr7so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.23]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH10035RXS153C0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH1000FDXRYIYC0@pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IH100A63XRYOI@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:31:10 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: \markup syntax: "" required? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:42:55 -0000 Is this the expected behavior of \markup ? \relative c'{ c4^\markup{ \center-align { on three lines } } c4^\markup{ \center-align { "all one line" } } c4^\markup{ \center-align { { on three lines } } } } I expected the third line to look the same as the second line. Why isn't { on three lines } treated as a single expression, like "all one line" is? Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 11:53:48 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DayCZ-0002rT-Eb for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:53:47 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DayCV-0002pg-QW for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:53:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DayCS-0002om-Qo for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:53:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DayCN-0002ks-5P for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:53:35 -0400 Received: from [66.92.70.82] (helo=tuba.laymusic.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Day5V-0002RD-B8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:46:29 -0400 Received: by tuba.laymusic.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8B6ACFA0004; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:46:00 -0400 (EDT) To: Mats Bengtsson X-Face: +h=WU/v,Ro}5P&TcQ=|qp9>.kdKUH!`7s(WC)X/15|Nd{D!]zW(^%[Sp(}0v"O|b=C9z}*4@)x_C2fgA~Wi&@/V"f6vs*B.1`(}; T=]?M6O; HvGS References: <429496CA.70009@s3.kth.se> From: Laura Conrad Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 11:45:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: <429496CA.70009@s3.kth.se> (Mats Bengtsson's message of "Wed, 25 May 2005 17:16:26 +0200") Message-ID: <87psvfs408.fsf@serpent.laymusic.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: latex in \markup X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:53:45 -0000 >>>>> "MB" =3D=3D Mats Bengtsson writes: MB> You just have to find out how to input that particular symbol MB> with your keyboard and your text editor. On my Linux box, I can MB> press Alt Gr and C to get a =A9. I've found using the emacs latex input mode to be easier than remembering this kind of coding. =20 --=20 Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 12:31:24 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Daymw-0001YI-84 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:31:23 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Daymq-0001XI-F2 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:31:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Daymk-0001Ux-SI for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:31:11 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Daymj-0001KK-B1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:31:09 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd2mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DayYt-0000Da-8z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:16:51 -0400 Received: from pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.214]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH100M91ZUVAXD0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 10:16:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH100A8MZUN42D0@pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 10:15:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IH1004YLZUNH5@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 10:15:59 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:15:59 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: <806328b6b467151e63d56efa7dff4856@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: optional pagenumber X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:31:19 -0000 Could we add a \paper{ pagenumber = ##f } option? Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 14:38:30 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db0lx-0001bI-Eu for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:38:29 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db0lt-0001YT-IB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:38:25 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db0lp-0001VV-0G for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:38:22 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db0ln-0001UW-Vh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:38:20 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.26] (helo=smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Db0gm-000274-LN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:33:08 -0400 Received: from peder.flower (appel.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.178]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4PIWdjE096792 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:32:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janneke@gnu.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db0gH-0002iM-MS; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:32:37 +0200 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: Jan at Appel Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:32:37 +0200 Message-ID: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 18:38:27 -0000 The past weeks I've spent my lily development time on a mingw port and installer for windows. I'm sure this is far from perfect, but I do not want to hold it back any longer. The installer is not directly aimed at Cygwin/unix gurus, but rather meant for people who just want to use LilyPond. The plan is that after downloading and running the 12MB setup.exe, everything just works, including point and click. The only additional software needed is a PDF reader like Adobe Acrobat. Download from http://lilypond.org/mingw/setup.exe send success reports, bug reports, and patches here. I'm especially interested in information about using and integrating editors like [nt]emacs or jEdit, and usage with Cygwin. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 16:17:10 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db2JR-0002Je-Iv for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 16:17:10 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db2JL-0002HT-MP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 16:17:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db2JF-0002D1-V5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 16:16:58 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db2JF-0002C3-M2 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 16:16:57 -0400 Received: from [195.241.79.178] (helo=smtp-out3.tiscali.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Db2FF-0002eo-16; Wed, 25 May 2005 16:12:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.35] (unknown [82.171.177.250]) by smtp-out3.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136DB80111DD; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:12:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4294DC21.4060203@tiscali.nl> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:12:17 +0200 From: Ruud van Silfhout User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> In-Reply-To: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:17:06 -0000 Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: >The past weeks I've spent my lily development time on a mingw port and >installer for windows. I'm sure this is far from perfect, but I do >not want to hold it back any longer. > >The installer is not directly aimed at Cygwin/unix gurus, but rather >meant for people who just want to use LilyPond. The plan is that >after downloading and running the 12MB setup.exe, everything just >works, including point and click. The only additional software needed >is a PDF reader like Adobe Acrobat. > >Download from > > http://lilypond.org/mingw/setup.exe > >send success reports, bug reports, and patches here. > >I'm especially interested in information about using and integrating >editors like [nt]emacs or jEdit, and usage with Cygwin. > >Jan. > > > Hi Jan, I tried it, and... it worked like clockwork! great! I haven't tried point and click yet, but I will let you know CU Ruud From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 16:22:35 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db2Oh-0003T2-5T for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 16:22:35 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db2Of-0003SA-4C for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 16:22:33 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db2Od-0003R9-4R for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 16:22:31 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db2Od-0003Q4-27 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 16:22:31 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Db2KL-0003lH-QA for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 16:18:06 -0400 Received: from pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.213]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH2000INB1CZ220@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:17:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH200HBEB1BHRF0@pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:17:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IH20043GB1B8W@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:17:36 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:17:35 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: lilypond-book fact-check X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:22:33 -0000 lilypond-book, at the bottom of section 12.6 (Invoking lily-book) @c CHECKME--FIXME The size of a music block is limited to 1.5 KB, due to technical problems with the Python regular expression engine. For longer files, use @code{\lilypondfile}. Is this still valid? - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 16:52:40 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db2rn-000420-LR for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 16:52:39 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db2rk-0003zz-Gf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 16:52:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db2ri-0003yu-Mc for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 16:52:34 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db2ri-0003yr-JR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 16:52:34 -0400 Received: from [195.70.32.130] (helo=mail.interware.hu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Db2UQ-0005lI-KB; Wed, 25 May 2005 16:28:30 -0400 Received: from caracas-1173.adsl.interware.hu ([213.178.104.149]) by mail.interware.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1Db2Tw-0002rG-KO; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:28:00 +0200 Message-ID: <4294DFC8.2040305@freemail.hu> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:27:52 +0200 From: Bertalan Fodor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: hu-hu, hu, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> In-Reply-To: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:52:37 -0000 WOW! It is working from the first moment! I could not try it thoroughly, but I could run it from jEdit, and it produced well my test file. (However, I could not view the pdf with Multivalent, may be some font problem. I'll investigate it further.) In the next days I will check this release seriously. Bert From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 18:30:29 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db4OS-0004t7-Mz for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 18:30:28 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db4ON-0004qR-EB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 18:30:24 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db4OG-0004mB-Am for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 18:30:17 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db4OE-0004kJ-VG for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 18:30:14 -0400 Received: from [68.230.240.32] (helo=lakermmtao07.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Db4F9-0001Wb-5N for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 18:20:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [68.230.172.247]) by lakermmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050525222018.KKLA28809.lakermmtao07.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 18:20:18 -0400 From: Tyler Eaves To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: References: <1116745324.32617.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200505251413.56142.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 18:20:46 -0400 Message-Id: <1117059646.32392.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.1.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bass tab problem X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:30:25 -0000 On Wed, 2005-05-25 at 15:34 +0200, Erlend Aasland wrote: > Hmmm, I've got a patch that I think fixed this (I've not verified that > it works against newer releases, and I haven't got time to check it > either). You could try it and see if it works... > > Erlend > > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > Thanks for the information. I grabbed the 2.5.25 tarball, unzipped, applied the patch (One file patched cleanly, the other was easily modified by hand, but patch didn't like it for some reason.) However, during make, I get the following. Doesn't appear to be related. 2.5.24 built fine on this machine. /include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -W -Wall -Wconversion -o out/identifier-smob.o identifier-smob.cc rm -f ./out/includable-lexer.dep; DEPENDENCIES_OUTPUT="./out/includable-lexer.dep ./out/includable-lexer.o" g++ -c -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DNDEBUG -DSTRING_UTILS_INLINED -Iinclude -I./out -I../flower/include -I../flower/./out -I../flower/include -I../ttftool/include -DNDEBUG -I/usr/include/python2.4 -O2 -finline-functions -g -pipe -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -DNDEBUG -I/usr/include/python2.4 -O2 -finline-functions -g -pipe -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -W -Wall -Wconversion -o out/includable-lexer.o includable-lexer.cc includable-lexer.cc: In member function `void Includable_lexer::new_input(String, Sources*)': includable-lexer.cc:67: error: `yy_buffer_stack' undeclared (first use this function) includable-lexer.cc:67: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) includable-lexer.cc:67: error: `yy_buffer_stack_top' undeclared (first use this function) make[1]: *** [out/includable-lexer.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/tyler/lilypond-2.5.25/lily' make: *** [all] Error 2 From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 18:39:34 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db4XF-0007Zn-Sf for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 18:39:34 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db4XE-0007Z6-5l for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 18:39:32 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db4XD-0007Yo-GQ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 18:39:31 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db4XD-0007Yc-CA for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 18:39:31 -0400 Received: from [64.233.184.193] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Db4Us-0004Yg-Hi for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 18:37:06 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so347634wri for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:36:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Dx6o+3CYCODJV4oWMb1xDLP2ZHoc0IpdcGfYYKVXb01TdrPIVp6bLa2j6sa/sDeN11eIIVkD7RBOmBZfA3dYg1AQtHr8+4prf52uXTCLeFSMKLYDHmUptQhiorw5peQrPoQBDVgzIXXGHE+ardWWc+OKMkrKIweoWQtaotan+WY= Received: by 10.54.35.72 with SMTP id i72mr597576wri; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.5.74 with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 00:36:34 +0200 From: Schneelocke To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen In-Reply-To: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Schneelocke List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:39:32 -0000 Hi Jan, > send success reports, bug reports, and patches here. Neat, thanks. :) Here's one thing I noticed: the "xiao-haizi-guai-guai.ly" example doesn't work. The ps file is created, but the PDF conversion fails; attempting to view the ps file itself results in the following messages: --- CUT HERE --- GSview 4.6 2004-01-11 Unknown in Comments section at line 7: %%DocumentSuppliedResources: font BitstreamVeraSans-Bold Unknown in Comments section at line 8: %%DocumentSuppliedResources: font BitstreamVeraSans-Roman Unknown in Comments section at line 9: %%DocumentSuppliedResources: font PFAEmmentaler-20 Unknown in Comments section at line 10: %%DocumentSuppliedResources: font SimSun AFPL Ghostscript 8.51 (2005-04-18) Copyright (C) 2005 artofcode LLC, Benicia, CA. All rights reserved. This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details. Displaying DSC file C:/Dokumente und Einstellungen/Schneelocke/Desktop/xiao-haizi-guai-guai.ps Displaying page 1 Error: /invalidfileaccess in --file-- Operand stack: (C:/WINDOWS/fonts/VeraBd.ttf) (r) Execution stack: %interp_exit .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- =20 --nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- =20 --nostringval-- false 1 %stopped_push 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop =20 .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- 2 =20 %stopped_push --nostringval-- Dictionary stack: --dict:1129/1686(ro)(G)-- --dict:0/20(G)-- --dict:73/200(L)-- Current allocation mode is local Last OS error: No such file or directory --- Begin offending input --- %%BeginFont: BitstreamVeraSans-Bold (C:/WINDOWS/fonts/VeraBd.ttf) (r) file .loadfont=20 %%EndFont %%BeginFont: BitstreamVeraSans-Roman (C:/WINDOWS/fonts/Vera.ttf) (r) file .loadfont=20 %%EndFont %%BeginFont: PFAEmmentaler-20 (C:/Programme/LilyPond/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/type1//PFAemmentaler= -20.pfa) (r) file .loadfont %%EndFont %%BeginFont: SimSun (C:/WINDOWS/fonts/simsun.ttc) (r) file .loadfont=20 %%EndFont %%BeginFont: SimSun (C:/WINDOWS/fonts/SIMSUN.TTF) (r) file .loadfont=20 %%EndFont --- End offending input --- file offset =3D 869 gsapi_run_string_continue returns -101 --- CUT HERE --- =20 This may be a simple configuration problem on my side (I really don't know a thing about postscript, so I'm not sure what to make of the above error messages), but I usually can display chinese texts just fine. Outside of that, I think it would be nice if convert-ly and similar scripts were compiled instead of remaining as scripts - that would make it easier for the average (clueless) windows user to use them. :) --=20 schnee From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 19:21:30 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db5BF-00034I-37 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 19:20:53 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db5Aw-00031W-Bt for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 19:20:34 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db5Ak-0002us-KU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 19:20:26 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db5Ak-0002fZ-1k for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 19:20:22 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.35] (helo=smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Db4uQ-0000dt-BR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 19:03:30 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4PN2w0j016930; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:02:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <429504A4.3000009@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 01:05:08 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: lilypond-book fact-check X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 23:20:47 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > lilypond-book, at the bottom of section 12.6 (Invoking lily-book) > > @c CHECKME--FIXME > The size of a music block is limited to 1.5 KB, due to technical > problems with the Python regular expression engine. For longer files, > use @code{\lilypondfile}. > > > Is this still valid? not sure. Go ahead and try :-) -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 19:47:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db5bL-0006Oo-6a for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 19:47:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db5bE-0006Kj-NZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 19:47:44 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db5b8-0006GM-LY for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 19:47:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db5b6-0006EE-Dv for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 19:47:36 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.23] (helo=smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Db5W8-0007EF-J2; Wed, 25 May 2005 19:42:28 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4PNfukS061668; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:41:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <42950DC3.2000406@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 01:44:03 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> In-Reply-To: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 23:47:47 -0000 Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > The past weeks I've spent my lily development time on a mingw port and > installer for windows. I'm sure this is far from perfect, but I do > not want to hold it back any longer. > > The installer is not directly aimed at Cygwin/unix gurus, but rather > meant for people who just want to use LilyPond. The plan is that > after downloading and running the 12MB setup.exe, everything just > works, including point and click. The only additional software needed > is a PDF reader like Adobe Acrobat. > > Download from > > http://lilypond.org/mingw/setup.exe > > send success reports, bug reports, and patches here. > > I'm especially interested in information about using and integrating > editors like [nt]emacs or jEdit, and usage with Cygwin. > > Jan. > given the positive feedback, I think we could list it on the download page as well? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 19:57:33 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db5kj-0007v3-77 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 19:57:33 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db5kf-0007tB-QY for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 19:57:29 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db5kb-0007qc-9H for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 19:57:27 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db5kZ-0007ol-C2 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 19:57:23 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.34] (helo=smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Db5aC-00082r-IN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 19:46:40 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4PNk6SE013436 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:46:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <42950EBF.40108@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 01:48:15 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lily-devel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: native LilyPond port for MacOS X X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 23:57:30 -0000 Hi, in the wake of Jan's announcement for LilyPond for Windows, I'd like to announce LilyPond for MacOS X, which you can download from http://lilypond.org/~hanwen/lilypond-2.5.26.zip (this is a pre-release .26 version). This zip file includes ClickEdit.app, an application to support PDF point & click editing on Macintosh. Send success reports, bug reports, and patches here. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 20:17:01 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db63W-0007fU-TU for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:16:59 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db63R-0007dk-7C for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:16:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db63M-0007bA-IT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:16:49 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db63L-0007ZB-GM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:16:47 -0400 Received: from [69.41.246.2] (helo=server.dnswired.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Db5uF-0003I5-SM; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:07:24 -0400 Received: from [201.19.232.93] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by server.dnswired.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db5tZ-000542-Bx; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:06:41 -0300 From: kroegerlistas@pedrokroeger.net (Pedro =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kr=F6ger?=) To: Han-Wen Nienhuys References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> <42950DC3.2000406@xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:12:20 -0300 In-Reply-To: <42950DC3.2000406@xs4all.nl> (Han-Wen Nienhuys's message of "Thu, 26 May 2005 01:44:03 +0200") Message-ID: <8764x6g80r.fsf@pedrokroeger.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.dnswired.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - pedrokroeger.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Jan Nieuwenhuizen Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 00:16:56 -0000 Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > given the positive feedback, I think we could list it on the download > page as well? yes. I added it in cvs, take a look and see what you think. I assumed it's the 2.5.25 version and the "packager" is "LilyPond development team" Pedro From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 20:21:14 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db67c-0001CJ-Cl for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:21:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db67Z-0001BB-Ek for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:21:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db67U-00017s-5I for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:21:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db67U-00017b-1L for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:21:04 -0400 Received: from [17.250.248.71] (helo=smtpout.mac.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Db64k-0005BJ-Gq; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:18:14 -0400 Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout14/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j4Q0HfHp013532; Wed, 25 May 2005 17:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.202.20.71] (a17-202-20-71.apple.com [17.202.20.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin07/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j4Q0HdZn023001; Wed, 25 May 2005 17:17:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200505252356.j4PNu5Mw027378@mac.com> References: <200505252356.j4PNu5Mw027378@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--826979948 Message-Id: <907252B6-4407-46A6-BED5-993B1C073716@mac.com> From: Matthias Neeracher Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:17:37 -0700 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Cc: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Subject: xiao-haizi-guai-guai.ly (Was: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 00:21:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail-5--826979948 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On May 25, 2005, at 4:56 PM, Schneelocke wrote: > Neat, thanks. :) Here's one thing I noticed: the > "xiao-haizi-guai-guai.ly" example doesn't work. The ps file is > created, but the PDF conversion fails; Interesting that you should mention this. I'm having rather similar problems with this file in the command line version in MacOS X and haven't had the time to analyze the issues yet. Matthias --Apple-Mail-5--826979948 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Neat, thanks. = :) Here's one thing I noticed: the
created, but the PDF conversion = fails;=A0

Interesting that you should = mention this. I'm having rather similar problems with this file in the = command line version in MacOS X and haven't had the time to analyze the = issues yet.

Matthias


= --Apple-Mail-5--826979948-- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 20:37:26 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db6NJ-0006Vx-48 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:37:25 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db6NE-0006TR-Fh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:37:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db6N5-0006P8-OI for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:37:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db6N5-0006NT-LL for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:37:11 -0400 Received: from [17.250.248.89] (helo=smtpout.mac.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Db6GD-0007Si-Kx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:30:05 -0400 Received: from mac.com (smtpin02-en2 [10.13.10.147]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout02/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j4Q0TWbn010980; Wed, 25 May 2005 17:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.202.20.71] (a17-202-20-71.apple.com [17.202.20.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin02/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j4Q0TVsD017422; Wed, 25 May 2005 17:29:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200505252356.j4PNu5Mw027378@mac.com> References: <200505252356.j4PNu5Mw027378@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--826268065 Message-Id: <7DEBA13D-4C14-4E41-9C12-15DB3907AE28@mac.com> From: Matthias Neeracher Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:29:28 -0700 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Cc: Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for MacOS X X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 00:37:23 -0000 --Apple-Mail-6--826268065 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On May 25, 2005, at 4:56 PM, lilypond-devel-request@gnu.org wrote: > From: Han-Wen Nienhuys > Date: May 25, 2005 4:48:15 PM PDT > To: lily-devel > Subject: native LilyPond port for MacOS X > > in the wake of Jan's announcement for LilyPond for Windows, I'd > like to announce LilyPond for MacOS X, which you can download from > > http://lilypond.org/~hanwen/lilypond-2.5.26.zip Cool, but it crashes for me on MacOS 10.4: dyld: Library not loaded: /usr/X11R6/lib/libexpat.1.dylib Referenced from: /Users/neeri/Desktop/lilypond-2/LilyPond.app/ Contents/Resources/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.0.dylib Reason: image not found Apple's X11 downgraded the bundled expat from libexpat.1.dylib to libexpat.0.dylib when going to 10.4. You probably should just bundle libexpat. BTW, is there a chance of getting rid of ALL references to X11? It would seem that X11 is not inherently needed, but presumably many of the libraries linked by lilypond need it. I'm fairly excited about this. With the native PDF support built into MacOS X, it should be possible to eventually integrate ClickEdit & Lilypond into one app (even with MIDI playing built in :-/) Matthias --Apple-Mail-6--826268065 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On May 25, 2005, = at 4:56 PM, lilypond-devel-request@gnu.= org wrote:
From: Han-Wen Nienhuys <hanwen@xs4all.nl>
Date: May 25, 2005 4:48:15 PM = PDT
To: lily-devel <lilypond-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: native LilyPond port for MacOS = X

in the wake of Jan's announcement for LilyPond for = Windows, I'd like to announce LilyPond for MacOS X, which you can = download from


Cool, = but it crashes for me on MacOS 10.4:

dyld: Library not = loaded: /usr/X11R6/lib/libexpat.1.dylib
=A0= Referenced from: = /Users/neeri/Desktop/lilypond-2/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libpan= goft2-1.0.0.dylib
=A0 = Reason: image not found

Apple's X11 downgraded the bundled expat from = libexpat.1.dylib to libexpat.0.dylib when going to 10.4. You probably = should just bundle libexpat.

BTW, is there = a chance of getting rid of ALL references to X11? It would seem that X11 = is not inherently needed, but presumably many of the libraries linked by = lilypond need it.

I'm fairly = excited about this. With the native PDF support built into MacOS X, it = should be possible to eventually integrate ClickEdit & Lilypond into = one app (even with MIDI playing built in :-/)

Matthias

= --Apple-Mail-6--826268065-- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 20:47:46 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db6XH-0001wJ-Ow for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:47:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db6X9-0001qA-U5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:47:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db6X5-0001mi-KX for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:47:32 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db6X5-0001k6-2W for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:47:31 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.25] (helo=smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Db6TH-0001Qn-N6 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:43:36 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4Q0h2O7086206; Thu, 26 May 2005 02:43:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <42951C18.5030600@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 02:45:12 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Neeracher References: <200505252356.j4PNu5Mw027378@mac.com> <7DEBA13D-4C14-4E41-9C12-15DB3907AE28@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <7DEBA13D-4C14-4E41-9C12-15DB3907AE28@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for MacOS X X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 00:47:37 -0000 Matthias Neeracher wrote: >> in the wake of Jan's announcement for LilyPond for Windows, I'd like >> to announce LilyPond for MacOS X, which you can download from >> >> http://lilypond.org/~hanwen/lilypond-2.5.26.zip > > Cool, but it crashes for me on MacOS 10.4: > > dyld: Library not loaded: /usr/X11R6/lib/libexpat.1.dylib > Referenced from: > /Users/neeri/Desktop/lilypond-2/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.0.dylib > Reason: image not found > > Apple's X11 downgraded the bundled expat from libexpat.1.dylib to > libexpat.0.dylib when going to 10.4. You probably should just bundle > libexpat. Are you saying that it won't work for people that didn't install apple X11? IIRC, it should just work if you dump 10.3's libexpat.1.dylib into Resources/lib/ . Can you verify (I can send you the dylib via private email if necessary)? I'll see what happens if I rebuild against my own compile of expat. > BTW, is there a chance of getting rid of ALL references to X11? It would > seem that X11 is not inherently needed, but presumably many of the > libraries linked by lilypond need it. > I'm fairly excited about this. With the native PDF support built into > MacOS X, it should be possible to eventually integrate ClickEdit & > Lilypond into one app (even with MIDI playing built in :-/) Yup. Should be possible, although I'm not sure that I should be the person building this. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 21:37:22 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db7JJ-0003eo-Nl for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:37:21 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db7JE-0003YC-Cj for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:37:16 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db7J9-0003Ud-Do for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:37:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db7J8-0003Se-UR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:37:11 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.25] (helo=smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Db7CA-0000kQ-3a; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:29:58 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4Q1TOlW094659; Thu, 26 May 2005 03:29:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <429526F4.8060803@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 03:31:32 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Neeracher References: <200505252356.j4PNu5Mw027378@mac.com> <907252B6-4407-46A6-BED5-993B1C073716@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <907252B6-4407-46A6-BED5-993B1C073716@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Jan Nieuwenhuizen Subject: Re: xiao-haizi-guai-guai.ly (Was: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows) X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 01:37:17 -0000 Matthias Neeracher wrote: > > On May 25, 2005, at 4:56 PM, Schneelocke > wrote: > >> Neat, thanks. :) Here's one thing I noticed: the >> "xiao-haizi-guai-guai.ly" example doesn't work. The ps file is >> created, but the PDF conversion fails; > > > Interesting that you should mention this. I'm having rather similar > problems with this file in the command line version in MacOS X and > haven't had the time to analyze the issues yet. you need .26 on macos. The default fonts for chinese/japanese are CID keyed OTFs, which were incorrectly handled before. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 21:42:43 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db7OV-0004fX-4P for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:42:43 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db7OQ-0004eA-H0 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:42:39 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db7OO-0004dT-75 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:42:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db7ON-0004bH-PO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:42:35 -0400 Received: from [69.41.246.2] (helo=server.dnswired.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Db7I2-0001ni-Lc for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:36:02 -0400 Received: from [201.19.232.93] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by server.dnswired.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db7HK-0007o2-Q6; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:35:19 -0300 From: kroegerlistas@pedrokroeger.net (Pedro =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kr=F6ger?=) To: Graham Percival References: <806328b6b467151e63d56efa7dff4856@shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:40:58 -0300 In-Reply-To: <806328b6b467151e63d56efa7dff4856@shaw.ca> (Graham Percival's message of "Wed, 25 May 2005 09:15:59 -0700") Message-ID: <87acmiwyqd.fsf@pedrokroeger.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.dnswired.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - pedrokroeger.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: optional pagenumber X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 01:42:40 -0000 Graham Percival writes: > Could we add a > \paper{ > pagenumber = ##f > } > option? we had a printpagenumber option in the past. I just re-added it in cvs (please test). We also had printfirstpagenumber (it's still in the manual). I'll see if I can re-add it as well. Pedro From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 22:48:25 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db8Q3-000352-5c for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:48:23 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db8Py-00032E-Ia for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:48:19 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db8Pu-00030j-8Y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:48:14 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db8Ps-0002vI-Qi for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:48:13 -0400 Received: from [70.84.207.226] (helo=bidwell.textdrive.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Db8Cx-0003NP-1A for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:34:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (ip68-229-88-46.ri.ri.cox.net [68.229.88.46]) by bidwell.textdrive.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6619539C12 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 02:34:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <429535A4.4000208@basilcrow.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:34:12 -0400 From: Basil Crow User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0+ (Windows/20050513) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org References: <20050525235610.7F03339B43@bidwell.textdrive.com> In-Reply-To: <20050525235610.7F03339B43@bidwell.textdrive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 02:48:20 -0000 Jan, Wow! I am positively amazed. If I could buy you a drink right now, I would. This puts LilyPond miles ahead in terms of being able to spread to Windows users. It worked for me with no problems whatsoever, including the recognition of fonts in my Windows font folder. The only inconsistency I noted was that sometimes after generating a PDF, LilyPad opened up with the log file, but sometimes the PDF was silently generated and no log file LilyPad window popped up. Nevertheless, I am hugely excited, and the process for me was very quick and easy. Thank you! --Basil >The past weeks I've spent my lily development time on a mingw port and >installer for windows. I'm sure this is far from perfect, but I do >not want to hold it back any longer. > >The installer is not directly aimed at Cygwin/unix gurus, but rather >meant for people who just want to use LilyPond. The plan is that >after downloading and running the 12MB setup.exe, everything just >works, including point and click. The only additional software needed >is a PDF reader like Adobe Acrobat. > >Download from > > http://lilypond.org/mingw/setup.exe > >send success reports, bug reports, and patches here. > >I'm especially interested in information about using and integrating >editors like [nt]emacs or jEdit, and usage with Cygwin. > >Jan. > From MAILER-DAEMON Wed May 25 23:18:03 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Db8sj-0006mn-5x for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 23:18:01 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db8sW-0006dQ-6z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 23:17:48 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Db8sO-0006aq-Pi for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 23:17:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db8sO-0006X8-JT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 23:17:40 -0400 Received: from [199.185.220.220] (helo=priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Db8hA-00007F-Rs for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 23:06:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.59] (really [161.184.143.86]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20050526030530.BHCW1420.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.59]> for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:05:30 -0600 From: Hans Forbrich To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:08:13 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <20050525235610.7F03339B43@bidwell.textdrive.com> <429535A4.4000208@basilcrow.com> In-Reply-To: <429535A4.4000208@basilcrow.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505252108.13731.hforbric_lilypond@telus.net> Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 03:17:51 -0000 On May 25, 2005 08:34 pm, Basil Crow wrote: > If I could buy you a drink right now, I would. You can ... or something quite close to it ;-) http://lilypond.org/web/about/doneet /Hans -- Proud user of Lilypond Music Typesetting Tools http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 03:12:30 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbCXd-0006ce-5V for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 03:12:29 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbCXa-0006bV-FF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 03:12:26 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbCXY-0006am-4i for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 03:12:24 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbCXX-0006aQ-Qk for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 03:12:23 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.30] (helo=smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbCVm-00069H-IN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 03:10:34 -0400 Received: from peder.flower (appel.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.178]) by smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4Q79vui057662; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:09:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janneke@gnu.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbCVB-0002D6-2e; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:09:57 +0200 To: Schneelocke References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: Jan at Appel Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:09:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: (schneelocke@gmail.com's message of "Thu, 26 May 2005 00:36:34 +0200") Message-ID: <8764x6foor.fsf@peder.flower> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 07:12:27 -0000 Schneelocke writes: > Neat, thanks. :) Here's one thing I noticed: the > "xiao-haizi-guai-guai.ly" example doesn't work. The ps file is > created, but the PDF conversion fails; The pdf conversion worked for me (but my test machine does not have asian fonts installed), could you try running gs from the console catching the error message from it? If you add the --verbose option to the lilypond command: ..\lilypond.exe" --verbose you should get to see the gs command that you need . > attempting to view the ps file > itself results in the following messages: Yes, viewing the .ps won't work. > This may be a simple configuration problem on my side (I really don't > know a thing about postscript, so I'm not sure what to make of the > above error messages), but I usually can display chinese texts just > fine. Ah, that may be the difference. Where do I get Chinese fonts to test with? > Outside of that, I think it would be nice if convert-ly and similar > scripts were compiled instead of remaining as scripts - that would > make it easier for the average (clueless) windows user to use them. :) Yes, we'll have to see what to do with the python scripts on windows. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 05:17:09 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbETa-0003cs-Qe for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 05:16:29 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbET7-0003IE-Dw for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 05:15:58 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbEH3-0001eN-5f for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 05:03:31 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbE7Y-0001LB-SG for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 04:53:45 -0400 Received: from [130.237.43.24] (helo=iris.s3.kth.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbE2f-00076l-QN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 04:48:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F0861A93; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:47:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se ([130.237.43.24]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 15454-04; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:47:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from iris.s3.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9EB161A94; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:47:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [130.237.50.49] (drongo.s3.kth.se [130.237.50.49]) by iris.s3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48FCB61A93; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:47:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42958D28.2060006@s3.kth.se> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:47:36 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: \markup syntax: "" required? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:16:08 -0000 I agree on the question! Regarding the documentation, I noticed that there is no longer any direct link from "8.1.4 Text markup" to "8.1.7 Overview of text markup commands". I would recommend to put it back, even though the full chapter is on related issues. /Mats Graham Percival wrote: > Is this the expected behavior of \markup ? > > \relative c'{ > c4^\markup{ \center-align { on three lines } } > c4^\markup{ \center-align { "all one line" } } > c4^\markup{ \center-align { { on three lines } } } > } > > I expected the third line to look the same as the second line. Why isn't > { on three lines } > treated as a single expression, like "all one line" is? > > Cheers, > - Graham > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 05:18:18 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbEVC-0004i7-Lb for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 05:18:07 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbEUZ-0003y5-Nc for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 05:17:28 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbETz-0003fu-GC for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 05:16:59 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbESt-0002Vn-MW for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 05:15:44 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.31] (helo=smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbEMp-0002Pj-5W for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 05:09:28 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4Q98iJa055574; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:08:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4295929F.8070907@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:10:55 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?UGVkcm8gS3LDtmdlcg==?= References: <806328b6b467151e63d56efa7dff4856@shaw.ca> <87acmiwyqd.fsf@pedrokroeger.net> In-Reply-To: <87acmiwyqd.fsf@pedrokroeger.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl id j4Q98iJa055574 Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: optional pagenumber X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:17:49 -0000 Pedro Kr=C3=B6ger wrote: > Graham Percival writes: >=20 >=20 >>Could we add a >>\paper{ >> pagenumber =3D ##f >>} >>option? >=20 >=20 > we had a printpagenumber option in the past. I just re-added it in cvs > (please test). We also had printfirstpagenumber (it's still in the > manual). I'll see if I can re-add it as well. I've reverted your patch. This is something that should be added in=20 ly/titling.ly --=20 Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 08:17:16 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbHIZ-00060Q-Tt for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:17:16 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbHIX-0005zK-I2 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:17:13 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbHEY-0004sU-F1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:13:09 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbHEW-0004s5-7t for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:13:04 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.32] (helo=smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbHBB-0003Ge-VC for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:09:38 -0400 Received: from peder.flower (appel.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.178]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4QC8wSM006069; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:08:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janneke@gnu.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbHAb-0003Ck-4q; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:09:01 +0200 To: Bertalan Fodor References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> <4294DFC8.2040305@freemail.hu> From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: Jan at Appel Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:09:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4294DFC8.2040305@freemail.hu> (Bertalan Fodor's message of "Wed, 25 May 2005 22:27:52 +0200") Message-ID: <87hdgqb34z.fsf@peder.flower> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:17:14 -0000 Bertalan Fodor writes: > WOW! > > It is working from the first moment! I could not try it thoroughly, > but I could run it from jEdit, and it produced well my test > file. (However, I could not view the pdf with Multivalent, may be some > font problem. I'll investigate it further.) Yes, please. > In the next days I will check this release seriously. Great, the sources are in the installers CVS module subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/lilypond/installers/windows Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 08:18:45 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbHK1-0006vU-4T for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:18:45 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbHJz-0006uQ-JQ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:18:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbHEc-0004sw-2q for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:13:11 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbHEY-0004s5-6t for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:13:06 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.27] (helo=smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbHC1-0003Pt-PP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:10:30 -0400 Received: from peder.flower (appel.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.178]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4QC9oEF083540; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:09:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janneke@gnu.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbHBR-0003D6-VQ; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:09:54 +0200 To: Ruud van Silfhout References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> <4294DC21.4060203@tiscali.nl> From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: Jan at Appel Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:09:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4294DC21.4060203@tiscali.nl> (Ruud van Silfhout's message of "Wed, 25 May 2005 22:12:17 +0200") Message-ID: <87d5reb33i.fsf@peder.flower> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:18:43 -0000 Ruud van Silfhout writes: > I tried it, and... > it worked like clockwork! great! > I haven't tried point and click yet, but I will let you know Great. Thanks for testing it. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 08:23:32 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbHOd-00020H-7o for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:23:31 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbHOY-0001z7-2f for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:23:26 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbHOU-0001x7-My for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:23:23 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbHOU-0001uK-BF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:23:22 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.29] (helo=smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbHJk-0005MF-16 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:18:28 -0400 Received: from peder.flower (appel.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.178]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4QCHlFN094420; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:17:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janneke@gnu.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbHJ8-0003EI-A4; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:17:50 +0200 To: Basil Crow References: <20050525235610.7F03339B43@bidwell.textdrive.com> <429535A4.4000208@basilcrow.com> From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: Jan at Appel Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:17:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: <429535A4.4000208@basilcrow.com> (Basil Crow's message of "Wed, 25 May 2005 22:34:12 -0400") Message-ID: <878y22b2q9.fsf@peder.flower> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:23:27 -0000 Basil Crow writes: > Wow! I am positively amazed. If I could buy you a drink right now, > I would. Thanks. > This puts LilyPond miles ahead in terms of being able to spread > to Windows users. Yes, that's the idea, but it would be good if we could finish some rough edges first. We are pondering on ways to push/promote these installers to new groups of users. Maybe others have good ideas? > The only inconsistency I noted was that sometimes after generating a > PDF, LilyPad opened up with the log file The log file should only pop up if there was an error. If that is not the case, can you send a bug report? I think this would be a lot more clear if the editor would also show the error location (a-la point and click, or emacs' compilation mode), but I'm not sure if and how lilypad should be hacked further to support that. > Nevertheless, I am hugely excited, and the process for me was very > quick and easy. Thank you! Thanks for the positive feedback, everyone, I'm overwhelmed. Also, this gives me a chance to really goof with the upgrade-installer next week. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 09:35:42 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbIWT-0001a0-Tn for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:35:41 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbIWN-0001WA-VS for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:35:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbIWM-0001V4-BE for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:35:34 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbIWL-0001Sy-9d for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:35:33 -0400 Received: from [64.233.184.195] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbIRv-0001ch-PT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:30:59 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 57so931850wri for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:30:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nyUPntMhLSxjvwnnMNEegkcru9LQmNeCA6RtWnoBp3NdNv7MkAC00QHEdxW3drqILX8uRSGB3LWTa2bIfb2s5MwxwaUQ9JZvCZ0EljS56YOPsrnbpvtJLWhj0iW7JQzpcMYvZHRitbvG4VZUz49GbIJm8sGt8iSFcjs26tDRT0A= Received: by 10.54.141.10 with SMTP id o10mr956353wrd; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.7.74 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:30:19 +0200 From: Erlend Aasland To: Han-Wen Nienhuys In-Reply-To: <42950EBF.40108@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_227_17967797.1117114219890" References: <42950EBF.40108@xs4all.nl> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for MacOS X X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Erlend Aasland List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:35:38 -0000 ------=_Part_227_17967797.1117114219890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello Han-Wen The MacOS package worked very well. No problems on MacOS 10.3.9. Erlend On 5/26/05, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > in the wake of Jan's announcement for LilyPond for Windows, I'd like to > announce LilyPond for MacOS X, which you can download from >=20 > http://lilypond.org/~hanwen/lilypond-2.5.26.zip >=20 >=20 > (this is a pre-release .26 version). >=20 > This zip file includes ClickEdit.app, an application to support PDF > point & click editing on Macintosh. >=20 > Send success reports, bug reports, and patches here. >=20 > -- > Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > ------=_Part_227_17967797.1117114219890 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello Han-Wen

The MacOS package worked very well. No problems on MacOS 10.3.9.


Erlend

On 5/26/05, Han-Wen Nienhuys <hanwen@xs4= all.nl> wrote:

Hi,

in the wake of Jan's announcement for LilyPond for Windows, = I'd like to
announce LilyPond for MacOS X, which you can download from
   http://lilypond.org/~hanwen/lilypond-2.5.26.zip


(this is a pre-release .26 version).

This zip file i= ncludes ClickEdit.app, an application to support PDF
point & click e= diting on Macintosh.

Send success reports, bug reports, and patches = here.

--
  Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http:= //www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen


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------=_Part_227_17967797.1117114219890-- From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 10:24:55 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJI6-0000DS-Gz for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:24:54 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJI2-0000AX-Cw for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:24:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJHr-00006e-Uz for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:24:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJHr-00005F-Rn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:24:39 -0400 Received: from [132.187.3.28] (helo=wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbJFC-0002TH-Dz for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:21:54 -0400 Received: from wrzx34.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx34.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.34]) by wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD44D9C83; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:21:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from virusscan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wrzx34.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EC2A8783; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:21:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.28]) by wrzx34.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7E2A8780; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:21:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wgmdd8.biozentrum.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx68.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.68]) by wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08B0D9C83; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:21:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 16:21:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Johannes Schindelin X-X-Sender: gene099@wgmdd8.biozentrum.uni-wuerzburg.de To: Erlend Aasland In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <42950EBF.40108@xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (Rechenzentrum Universitaet Wuerzburg) Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for MacOS X X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:24:52 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 26 May 2005, Erlend Aasland wrote: > Hello Han-Wen > > The MacOS package worked very well. No problems on MacOS 10.3.9. Here on 10.2.8 I have the usual problems about undefined symbols lib libSystem.B.dylib. Well, I'll have to build it myself, I guess! Ciao, Dscho P.S.: Upgrading OS X is no option for me at the moment. From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 10:34:38 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJRV-0002xk-OR for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:34:37 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJRT-0002wl-0h for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:34:35 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJQS-0002i2-DZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:33:33 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJQR-0002XR-Nw for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:33:31 -0400 Received: from [66.92.70.82] (helo=tuba.laymusic.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbJLU-0003j9-0i; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:28:24 -0400 Received: by tuba.laymusic.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0C1EDFA0004; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:27:43 -0400 (EDT) To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen X-Face: +h=WU/v,Ro}5P&TcQ=|qp9>.kdKUH!`7s(WC)X/15|Nd{D!]zW(^%[Sp(}0v"O|b=C9z}*4@)x_C2fgA~Wi&@/V"f6vs*B.1`(}; T=]?M6O; HvGS References: <20050525235610.7F03339B43@bidwell.textdrive.com> <429535A4.4000208@basilcrow.com> <878y22b2q9.fsf@peder.flower> From: Laura Conrad Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:27:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: <878y22b2q9.fsf@peder.flower> (Jan Nieuwenhuizen's message of "Thu, 26 May 2005 14:17:50 +0200") Message-ID: <87ll62qcyp.fsf@serpent.laymusic.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Basil Crow , lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:34:36 -0000 >>>>> "JN" == Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes: JN> We are pondering on ways to push/promote these installers to new JN> groups of users. Maybe others have good ideas? I forwarded the two announcements to the abcusers list. I think there are a lot of people there who would like the lilypond typesetting (especially when it's painless through abc2ly) but don't want to mess with the former lilypond install on non-linux systems. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 10:46:24 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJcs-00062j-Mb for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:46:23 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJbB-0005aM-NN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:44:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJb4-0005Xx-7y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:44:30 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJb3-0005P0-Je for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:44:29 -0400 Received: from [64.233.184.206] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbJUK-0005MB-Nx for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:37:33 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so642403wri for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 07:36:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=o1iaDI1WHg0VZF9MWhMdZw9nppWp8YeIjUqjrhbcyTAE2rJw7GWDjtBHzVtO/BRfvMzhYhu9uMsTGJyReWtGgkv7Ntdm75P1n56llshKh684XqqIt1hq9PYWSnQogJ9LX7v/BWahmZ5CSAkhofBbCQH4S3FzkyuvYtS2fx9lH0w= Received: by 10.54.145.15 with SMTP id s15mr627352wrd; Thu, 26 May 2005 07:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.5.74 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 07:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 16:36:52 +0200 From: Schneelocke To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen In-Reply-To: <8764x6foor.fsf@peder.flower> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_414_4187585.1117118212431" References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> <8764x6foor.fsf@peder.flower> Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Schneelocke List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:46:18 -0000 ------=_Part_414_4187585.1117118212431 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Jan, > > Neat, thanks. :) Here's one thing I noticed: the > > "xiao-haizi-guai-guai.ly" example doesn't work. The ps file is > > created, but the PDF conversion fails; >=20 > The pdf conversion worked for me (but my test machine does not have > asian fonts installed), could you try running gs from the console > catching the error message from it? >=20 > If you add the --verbose option to the lilypond command: >=20 > ..\lilypond.exe" --verbose >=20 > you should get to see the gs command that you need . OK, I tried that (the verbose log file is attached), and I get the followin= g: --- CUT HERE --- C:\Programme\LilyPond\usr\bin>.\gs -dCompatibilityLevel#1.4 -sPAPERSIZE#"a= 4" -q -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE#pdfwrite -sOutputFile#"xiao-haizi-guai-guai.pdf= " -c .setpdfwrite -f "xiao-haizi-guai-guai.ps" Error: /undefinedfilename in --file-- Operand stack: (#f) (r) Execution stack: %interp_exit .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostrin= gval- - 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval--= fa lse 1 %stopped_push 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 = 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostr= ingva l-- --nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- Dictionary stack: --dict:1127/1686(ro)(G)-- --dict:0/20(G)-- --dict:70/200(L)-- Current allocation mode is local Last OS error: No such file or directory Current file position is 340 GPL Ghostscript 8.15: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 --- CUT HERE --- I'm not sure which missing file it's complaining about really; the generated ps file at least was coped to the directory I'm in, so it *should* be found. =20 > > attempting to view the ps file > > itself results in the following messages: >=20 > Yes, viewing the .ps won't work. OK. Maybe they should get another extension then, though - it's a bit confusing to have a ps file you can't view. :) (FWIW, BTW, viewing the ps files generated by the Cygwin lilypond package works fine, and they look better than the generated PDFs, too.) (Of course, that only applies if they aren't deleted after PDF conversion, anyway, which I unfortunately can't check right now - see below). > > This may be a simple configuration problem on my side (I really don't > > know a thing about postscript, so I'm not sure what to make of the > > above error messages), but I usually can display chinese texts just > > fine. >=20 > Ah, that may be the difference. Where do I get Chinese fonts to test > with? You need to get the Chinese IME (Input Method Environment, IIRC), which can be downloaded from M$'s website; newer windows versions seem to come with it, but you still need to activate it.. http://www.andante.org/ime_install.html seems to have some information on how to do that (and on how to install it, for older windows releases). That being said, I just noticed something else that's strange - after uninstalling and re-installing Lilypond, the "Convert to PDF" context menu item is gone, and PDF conversion fails for *all* files now, even those that worked before. I tried rebooting the machine, too (which usually - unfortunately - is a cure for many small windows problems), but that didn't help, either. =20 --=20 schnee ------=_Part_414_4187585.1117118212431 Content-Type: text/plain; name="xiao-haizi-guai-guai.log" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="xiao-haizi-guai-guai.log" DQojIC0qLWNvbXBpbGF0aW9uLSotDQpQcm9jZXNzaW5nIGB4aWFvLWhhaXppLWd1YWktZ3VhaS5s eScNClBhcnNpbmcuLi5bLi4vLi4vLi4vLi4vc2hhcmUvbGlseXBvbmQvMi41LjI1L2x5L2luaXQu bHlbLi4vLi4vLi4vLi4vc2hhcmUvbGlseXBvbmQvMi41LjI1L2x5L2RlY2xhcmF0aW9ucy1pbml0 Lmx5Wy4uLy4uLy4uLy4uL3NoYXJlL2xpbHlwb25kLzIuNS4yNS9seS9tdXNpYy1mdW5jdGlvbnMt aW5pdC5seV1bLi4vLi4vLi4vLi4vc2hhcmUvbGlseXBvbmQvMi41LjI1L2x5L25lZGVybGFuZHMu bHldWy4uLy4uLy4uLy4uL3NoYXJlL2xpbHlwb25kLzIuNS4yNS9seS9kcnVtcGl0Y2gtaW5pdC5s eV1bLi4vLi4vLi4vLi4vc2hhcmUvbGlseXBvbmQvMi41LjI1L2x5L2Nob3JkLW1vZGlmaWVycy1p bml0Lmx5XVsuLi8uLi8uLi8uLi9zaGFyZS9saWx5cG9uZC8yLjUuMjUvbHkvc2NyaXB0LWluaXQu bHldWy4uLy4uLy4uLy4uL3NoYXJlL2xpbHlwb25kLzIuNS4yNS9seS9zY2FsZS1kZWZpbml0aW9u cy1pbml0Lmx5XVsuLi8uLi8uLi8uLi9zaGFyZS9saWx5cG9uZC8yLjUuMjUvbHkvZ3JhY2UtaW5p dC5seV1bLi4vLi4vLi4vLi4vc2hhcmUvbGlseXBvbmQvMi41LjI1L2x5L21pZGktaW5pdC5seVsu Li8uLi8uLi8uLi9zaGFyZS9saWx5cG9uZC8yLjUuMjUvbHkvcGVyZm9ybWVyLWluaXQubHldXVsu Li8uLi8uLi8uLi9zaGFyZS9saWx5cG9uZC8yLjUuMjUvbHkvcGFwZXItZGVmYXVsdHMubHlbLi4v Li4vLi4vLi4vc2hhcmUvbGlseXBvbmQvMi41LjI1L2x5L3RpdGxpbmctaW5pdC5seV1dWy4uLy4u Ly4uLy4uL3NoYXJlL2xpbHlwb25kLzIuNS4yNS9seS9lbmdyYXZlci1pbml0Lmx5XVsuLi8uLi8u Li8uLi9zaGFyZS9saWx5cG9uZC8yLjUuMjUvbHkvZHluYW1pYy1zY3JpcHRzLWluaXQubHldWy4u Ly4uLy4uLy4uL3NoYXJlL2xpbHlwb25kLzIuNS4yNS9seS9zcGFubmVycy1pbml0Lmx5XVsuLi8u Li8uLi8uLi9zaGFyZS9saWx5cG9uZC8yLjUuMjUvbHkvcHJvcGVydHktaW5pdC5seV1dW3hpYW8t aGFpemktZ3VhaS1ndWFpLmx5XQ0KSW50ZXJwcmV0aW5nIG11c2ljLi4uIFsuLi8uLi8uLi8uLi9z aGFyZS9saWx5cG9uZC8yLjUuMjUvZm9udHMvb3RmLy9lbW1lbnRhbGVyLTIwLm90Zl1bN10NCmVs YXBzZWQgdGltZTogMC4wNiBzZWNvbmRzDQpFbGVtZW50IGNvdW50IDQ0NCAoc3Bhbm5lcnMgMTEp IA0KUHJlcHJvY2Vzc2luZyBncmFwaGljYWwgb2JqZWN0cy4uLiANCkdyb2IgY291bnQgNjE4Wy4u Ly4uLy4uLy4uL3NoYXJlL2xpbHlwb25kLzIuNS4yNS9mb250cy9vdGYvL2VtbWVudGFsZXItMTEu b3RmXVsuLi8uLi8uLi8uLi9zaGFyZS9saWx5cG9uZC8yLjUuMjUvZm9udHMvb3RmLy9lbW1lbnRh bGVyLTEzLm90Zl1bLi4vLi4vLi4vLi4vc2hhcmUvbGlseXBvbmQvMi41LjI1L2ZvbnRzL290Zi8v ZW1tZW50YWxlci0xNC5vdGZdWy4uLy4uLy4uLy4uL3NoYXJlL2xpbHlwb25kLzIuNS4yNS9mb250 cy9vdGYvL2VtbWVudGFsZXItMTYub3RmXVsuLi8uLi8uLi8uLi9zaGFyZS9saWx5cG9uZC8yLjUu MjUvZm9udHMvb3RmLy9lbW1lbnRhbGVyLTE4Lm90Zl1bLi4vLi4vLi4vLi4vc2hhcmUvbGlseXBv bmQvMi41LjI1L2ZvbnRzL290Zi8vZW1tZW50YWxlci0yMy5vdGZdDQpDYWxjdWxhdGluZyBsaW5l IGJyZWFrcy4uLiANCkdsb2JhbCBzaG9ydGVzdCBkdXJhdGlvbiBpcyAxLzgNCltjZW50dXJ5X3Nj aG9vbGJvb2tfbF9fNC4zMzc4OTA2MjVdWzNdWzZdWzhdDQpPcHRpbWFsIGRlbWVyaXRzOiAxLjM5 MjUyNA0KRWxlbWVudCBjb3VudCAyOTAuWzBdW2NlbnR1cnlfc2Nob29sYm9va19sX19ib2xkXzYu MTM1NzQyMTg3NV1bY2VudHVyeV9zY2hvb2xib29rX2xfX2JvbGRfNC4zMzc4OTA2MjVdDQpDYWxj dWxhdGluZyBwYWdlIGJyZWFrcy4uLltjZW50dXJ5X3NjaG9vbGJvb2tfbF9fMy44NjUyMzQzNzVd DQpMYXlvdXQgb3V0cHV0IHRvIGB4aWFvLWhhaXppLWd1YWktZ3VhaS5wcycuLi5bLi4vLi4vLi4v Li4vc2hhcmUvbGlseXBvbmQvMi41LjI1L3BzL211c2ljLWRyYXdpbmctcm91dGluZXMucHNdWy4u Ly4uLy4uLy4uL3NoYXJlL2xpbHlwb25kLzIuNS4yNS9wcy9saWx5cG9uZGRlZnMucHNdDQpDb252 ZXJ0aW5nIHRvIGB4aWFvLWhhaXppLWd1YWktZ3VhaS5wZGYnLi4uDQpJbnZva2luZyBgZ3MgLWRD b21wYXRpYmlsaXR5TGV2ZWwjMS40ICAtc1BBUEVSU0laRSMiYTQiIC1xIC1kTk9QQVVTRSAtZEJB VENIIC1zREVWSUNFI3BkZndyaXRlIC1zT3V0cHV0RmlsZSMieGlhby1oYWl6aS1ndWFpLWd1YWku cGRmIiAtYyAuc2V0cGRmd3JpdGUgLWYgInhpYW8taGFpemktZ3VhaS1ndWFpLnBzIicuLi4NCmBn cyAtZENvbXBhdGliaWxpdHlMZXZlbCMxLjQgIC1zUEFQRVJTSVpFIyJhNCIgLXEgLWROT1BBVVNF IC1kQkFUQ0ggLXNERVZJQ0UjcGRmd3JpdGUgLXNPdXRwdXRGaWxlIyJ4aWFvLWhhaXppLWd1YWkt Z3VhaS5wZGYiIC1jIC5zZXRwZGZ3cml0ZSAtZiAieGlhby1oYWl6aS1ndWFpLWd1YWkucHMiJyBm YWlsZWQgKDEp ------=_Part_414_4187585.1117118212431-- From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 11:08:56 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJyh-0007Rj-N3 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:08:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJyd-0007PH-1I for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:08:51 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJya-0007N5-P6 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:08:49 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJyZ-0007LR-II for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:08:48 -0400 Received: from [69.41.246.2] (helo=server.dnswired.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DbJw2-0002cN-Ft for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:06:10 -0400 Received: from [201.19.232.93] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by server.dnswired.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJvF-0007Z0-89; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:05:22 -0300 From: kroegerlistas@pedrokroeger.net (Pedro =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kr=F6ger?=) To: Han-Wen Nienhuys References: <806328b6b467151e63d56efa7dff4856@shaw.ca> <87acmiwyqd.fsf@pedrokroeger.net> <4295929F.8070907@xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:10:52 -0300 In-Reply-To: <4295929F.8070907@xs4all.nl> (Han-Wen Nienhuys's message of "Thu, 26 May 2005 11:10:55 +0200") Message-ID: <87oeayhvk3.fsf@pedrokroeger.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.dnswired.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - pedrokroeger.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: lily-devel , Graham Percival Subject: Re: optional pagenumber X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:08:52 -0000 Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > Pedro Kr=F6ger wrote: >> Graham Percival writes: >>=20 >>>Could we add a >>>\paper{ >>> pagenumber =3D ##f >>>} >>>option? >> we had a printpagenumber option in the past. I just re-added it in >> cvs >> (please test). We also had printfirstpagenumber (it's still in the >> manual). I'll see if I can re-add it as well. > > I've reverted your patch. This is something that should be added in=20 > ly/titling.ly ok, I'll see how to do it. Pedro From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 11:50:36 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbKd1-0007Ya-Oe for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:50:36 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbKcx-0007X1-23 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:50:31 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbKcu-0007Ut-0Y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:50:28 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbKct-0007UG-O8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:50:27 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbKaw-00027V-0r for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:48:26 -0400 Received: from pd2mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr7so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.10]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH300JETT1Z75A0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:44:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml6so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.150]) by pd2mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH300GVOT18WYF0@pd2mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IH300H0WT17F3@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:43:54 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <42958D28.2060006@s3.kth.se> To: Mats Bengtsson Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <42958D28.2060006@s3.kth.se> Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: \markup syntax: "" required? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:50:33 -0000 On 26-May-05, at 1:47 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > Regarding the documentation, I noticed that there is no longer any > direct link from "8.1.4 Text markup" to "8.1.7 Overview of text markup > commands". I would recommend to put it back, even though the full > chapter is on related issues. Fixed in CVS. - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 14:51:49 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbNSO-0007av-HY for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:51:48 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbNSJ-0007Yg-9G for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:51:44 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbNSF-0007VV-46 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:51:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbNSE-0007UG-OQ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:51:38 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbNNv-0003UQ-12 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:47:11 -0400 Received: from pd4mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr7so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.84]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH400HJO1GZGWVE@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:46:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH4004ZG1GZBZB0@pd4mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:46:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IH400J0E1GZTI@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:46:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:46:09 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: <388b0ac9cd3c14702d4efe6a254b25fa@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: docs: boundary box cuts off left side. X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 18:51:44 -0000 10.1.3 Page layout (in global.itely) The example of systemSeparatorMarkup loses the slash; it gets cut off from the left side. The example compiles fine on its own. @lilypond[raggedright] \paper { systemSeparatorMarkup = \slashSeparator } \relative { c1 \break c1 } @end lilypond From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 16:08:16 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbOeO-0002xl-8k for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:08:16 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbOeK-0002ug-0b for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:08:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbOeF-0002rx-Qq for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:08:09 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbOeC-0002oo-HD for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:08:04 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DbOY0-0008Ke-FO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:01:40 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DbOT4-0006Hx-LO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:56:34 +0200 Received: from reg148.reg.utexas.edu ([128.83.86.147]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:56:34 +0200 Received: from robert.wyatt by reg148.reg.utexas.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:56:34 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org From: Robert T Wyatt Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:56:29 -0500 Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 48 Message-ID: <429629ED.9000907@mail.utexas.edu> References: <42950EBF.40108@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: reg148.reg.utexas.edu User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <42950EBF.40108@xs4all.nl> Sender: news Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for MacOS X X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: robert.wyatt@mail.utexas.edu List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 20:08:13 -0000 On 10.3.9, the binary installed and ran; nice work! I haven't tried clickApp yet; do I open the PDF file with it? Notes: 1) The title and author are now in sans-serif fonts, the other fonts look the same as before. 2) I ran lily by putting an alias on the desktop and dragging a .ly file from a folder onto it. The resulting PDF was on the desktop (I don't know where I expected it to be, this is just an observation). 3) Getting an error with a midi file (could be the file, of course, as it was written for 2.4): Processing `/Users/rgrtw/Sites/lilypond/stillinger/DalmatianStrutmidi.ly' Parsing... /Users/rgrtw/Sites/lilypond/stillinger/DalmatianStrutmidi.ly:29:0: error: unknown escaped string: `\unfoldrepeats' \unfoldrepeats { /Users/rgrtw/Sites/lilypond/stillinger/DalmatianStrutmidi.ly:29:0: error: syntax error, unexpected STRING \unfoldrepeats { error: errors found, ignoring music expression error: failed files: "/Users/rgrtw/Sites/lilypond/stillinger/DalmatianStrutmidi.ly" LilyPond exited with status 1Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Applications/lilypond-2.5.26 Folder/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/script", line 108, in ? os.unlink (a + '.ps') OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'DalmatianStrutmidi.ps' Source file is DalmatianStrutmidi.ly found here: http://reg148.reg.utexas.edu/~rgrtw/lilypond/stillinger/ == ps I found out that EUR 40 is equal to US 50.04 (today), I'm thinking lilypond is worth every penny (even without the binaries!), but I'm also thinking I'm broke until payday, so maybe a beer is more along the lines of affordability for me. In the meantime, you can have free music from our band: http://bentones.us/ From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 16:24:12 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbOtm-0002S8-3i for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:24:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbOth-0002QT-3j for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:24:05 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbOtc-0002Nq-6H for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:24:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbOtb-0002NP-RP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:23:59 -0400 Received: from [213.228.0.62] (helo=postfix4-1.free.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbOqv-0002yh-KT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:21:13 -0400 Received: from robert (aqu33-3-82-226-195-151.fbx.proxad.net [82.226.195.151]) by postfix4-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5581317F56; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:19:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nicolas by robert with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DbOvA-0000m5-NE; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:25:39 +0200 To: Mats Bengtsson References: <42958D28.2060006@s3.kth.se> From: Nicolas Sceaux X-Face: "gf86$#p, 6cy*Hn!InZ-W/%Hq+@V\Of4rnxOf`tol$KI?yE7=, m0K+H[PW#\! gy8HEFjW$0a^#9H$SOaZ[/Y-7qfM[5)*x=qW7bX{[{}wc."y$5e; nU9rxhIq`F0LaSvl9ws%p{B0$3 cHU1dw^>dB:s7c>Ebsbo}d{r5@J]P>Hnbmx| Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:25:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: <42958D28.2060006@s3.kth.se> (Mats Bengtsson's message of "Thu, 26 May 2005 10:47:36 +0200") Message-ID: <87vf55ka4f.fsf@free.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: nicolas.sceaux@free.fr X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on robert) Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: \markup syntax: "" required? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 20:24:06 -0000 > Graham Percival wrote: >> Is this the expected behavior of \markup ? >> \relative c'{ >> c4^\markup{ \center-align { on three lines } } >> c4^\markup{ \center-align { "all one line" } } >> c4^\markup{ \center-align { { on three lines } } } >> } >> I expected the third line to look the same as the second line. Why >> isn't >> { on three lines } >> treated as a single expression, like "all one line" is? Mats Bengtsson writes: > I agree on the question! You assume that in the third one, an implicit \line is put before the inner { ... } block. This used to be done like that, but it changed some months ago. The expression \center-align { { a b } { c d } } is simply equivalent to: \center-align { a b c d } Lists with no command before are unspliced. When there is a command taking a single markup as an argument before the list, then the command is "mapped" on the list. The only implicit \line is the one that is added when the \markup keyword is followed by {..}. guile> (display-lily-music #{ r^\markup \bold { a \italic { c { d e } } } #}) { r^\markup \line { \bold "a" \bold \italic "c" \bold \italic "d" \bold \italic "e"} } guile> (display-lily-music #{ r^\markup \center-align { { on three lines } } #}) { r^\markup \center-align { "on" "three" "lines"} } If you want to have the inner block treated as a whole line, say it explicitly: \markup{ \center-align { \line { all one line } } nicolas From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 16:31:30 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbP0r-0003Xt-91 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:31:29 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbP0o-0003XA-JY for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:31:26 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbP0m-0003VR-9a for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:31:24 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbP0m-0003VH-2x for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:31:24 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.32] (helo=smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbOzC-0004m4-Jr for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:29:46 -0400 Received: from peder.flower (appel.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.178]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4QKSuFZ011025; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:29:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janneke@gnu.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbOyU-0007bG-6K; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:29:02 +0200 To: Schneelocke References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> <8764x6foor.fsf@peder.flower> From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: Jan at Appel Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:29:02 +0200 In-Reply-To: (schneelocke@gmail.com's message of "Thu, 26 May 2005 16:36:52 +0200") Message-ID: <87zmuhzq7l.fsf@peder.flower> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 20:31:27 -0000 Schneelocke writes: > Error: /undefinedfilename in --file-- > Operand stack: > (#f) (r) > I'm not sure which missing file it's complaining about really If you look in the .ps with a text editor, you'll see that fonts are loaded by a command that looks like %%BeginFont: PFAEmmentaler-20 (c:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/type1//PFAemmentaler-20.pfa) (r) file .loadfont %%EndFont The font that has the problem, has (#f) (r) file .loadfont > OK. Maybe they should get another extension then, though - it's a bit > confusing to have a ps file you can't view. :) Yes, this is one of the rough edges. > You need to get the Chinese IME (Input Method Environment, IIRC), > which can be downloaded from M$'s website; newer windows versions seem > to come with it, but you still need to activate it.. And all I want is a couple of font files... Thanks, I'll have a look. > the "Convert to PDF" context menu item is gone, and PDF conversion > fails for *all* files now How odd. The menu item should be unconditionally written as (nsis command) WriteRegExpandStr HKCR "LilyPond\shell\generate\command" "" '$INSTDIR\usr\bin\lilypond.exe "%1"' maybe that does not work [for you], and the context menu you saw was a leftover from a previous Cygwin install? Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 16:47:55 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPGl-00007o-3l for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:47:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPGg-000062-Uh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:47:51 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPGa-0008UX-Uq for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:47:46 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPGa-0008Tg-Fe for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:47:44 -0400 Received: from [193.213.115.47] (helo=mail47.e.nsc.no) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbP5v-000601-E3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:36:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (ti541210a080-8913.bb.online.no [83.108.98.215]) by mail47.nsc.no (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4QKZwou014369 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:35:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tom by localhost with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DbP5b-0008Rw-2w for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:36:23 +0200 Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:36:21 +0200 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: <20050526203620.GA26042@tomsin-laptop> Mail-Followup-To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org References: <4295977E.3030309@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4295977E.3030309@xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: Tom Cato Amundsen Subject: Re: LilyPond 2.5.26 released. Now with installers! X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 20:47:52 -0000 On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 11:31:42AM +0200, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Dear all, > > I'm uploading 2.5.26. This release has a couple of small bugfixes. > LilyPond 2.6.0 will be out Real Soon Now, so check if there are any > critical problems left in this release. I'm running debian sarge gs-afpl 8.14-3 tetex-base 2.0.2c-8 mftrace 1.1.5 guile 1.6.7 Running with the ps backend works ok, but with tex I get this: tom@tomsin-laptop:~/tmp/lilypond-2.5.26/input$ lilypond -b tex simple.ly GNU LilyPond 2.5.26 Processing `simple.ly' Parsing... Interpreting music... [2] Preprocessing graphical objects... Calculating line breaks... Calculating page breaks... Layout output to `simple.tex'... /home/tom/tmp/lily2526/share/lilypond/2.5.26/ly/init.ly:36:1: error: GUILE signaled an error for the expression beginning here # (if (pair? toplevel-scores)Wrong type to apply: 2.83464566929134 /home/tom/tmp/lily2526/share/lilypond/2.5.26/ly/init.ly:36:5: error: syntax error, unexpected '(', expecting '=' #(if (pair? toplevel-scores) error: failed files: "simple.ly" -- Tom Cato Amundsen http://www.solfege.org/ GNU Solfege - free ear training http://www.gnu.org/software/solfege/ From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 16:47:56 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPGl-000081-IX for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:47:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPGh-00005t-2Q for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:47:51 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPGZ-0008Sr-I7 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:47:43 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPGY-0008OT-IB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:47:42 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbP7R-0006Fo-Sn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:38:18 -0400 Received: from pd3mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.179]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH4000HU6M4PS00@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd3mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH4002YK6M4VR70@pd3mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IH400D456M3TL@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:37:14 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <429629ED.9000907@mail.utexas.edu> To: robert.wyatt@mail.utexas.edu Message-id: <95459f8f343acd5fab69edde2cc5f673@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <42950EBF.40108@xs4all.nl> <429629ED.9000907@mail.utexas.edu> Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for MacOS X X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 20:47:52 -0000 On 26-May-05, at 12:56 PM, Robert T Wyatt wrote: > 3) Getting an error with a midi file (could be the file, of course, as > it was written for 2.4): > > Processing > `/Users/rgrtw/Sites/lilypond/stillinger/DalmatianStrutmidi.ly' > Parsing... > /Users/rgrtw/Sites/lilypond/stillinger/DalmatianStrutmidi.ly:29:0: > error: unknown escaped string: `\unfoldrepeats' Update the file with convert-ly. - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 16:47:59 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPGo-00008o-Kz for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:47:58 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPGh-00006f-Vs for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:47:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPGd-0008U3-Uu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:47:49 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPGa-0008Tg-0N for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:47:44 -0400 Received: from [213.228.0.169] (helo=postfix3-2.free.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbP4Q-0005kG-Fq for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:35:10 -0400 Received: from robert (aqu33-3-82-226-195-151.fbx.proxad.net [82.226.195.151]) by postfix3-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970F9C087; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:34:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nicolas by robert with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DbP9X-0000sH-BE; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:40:36 +0200 To: Han-Wen Nienhuys References: <42950EBF.40108@xs4all.nl> From: Nicolas Sceaux X-Face: "gf86$#p, 6cy*Hn!InZ-W/%Hq+@V\Of4rnxOf`tol$KI?yE7=, m0K+H[PW#\! gy8HEFjW$0a^#9H$SOaZ[/Y-7qfM[5)*x=qW7bX{[{}wc."y$5e; nU9rxhIq`F0LaSvl9ws%p{B0$3 cHU1dw^>dB:s7c>Ebsbo}d{r5@J]P>Hnbmx| Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:40:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <42950EBF.40108@xs4all.nl> (Han-Wen Nienhuys's message of "Thu, 26 May 2005 01:48:15 +0200") Message-ID: <87r7ftk9fp.fsf@free.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: nicolas.sceaux@free.fr X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on robert) Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for MacOS X X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 20:47:53 -0000 Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > Hi, > > in the wake of Jan's announcement for LilyPond for Windows, I'd like > to announce LilyPond for MacOS X, which you can download from > > http://lilypond.org/~hanwen/lilypond-2.5.26.zip > > (this is a pre-release .26 version). > > This zip file includes ClickEdit.app, an application to support PDF > point & click editing on Macintosh. > > Send success reports, bug reports, and patches here. Point and click worked great here on a mini with 10.3.9. nicolas From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 16:58:39 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPR8-0003z3-Vb for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:58:39 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPR6-0003xW-5c for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:58:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPR3-0003vw-PJ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:58:34 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPR3-0003u3-Cq for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:58:33 -0400 Received: from [64.233.184.200] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbPMO-0000qO-A5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:53:44 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so781228wri for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:53:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FzEAka3VVpoqhnuiXm5Cbb8GiYKc1+/AzlO9TSW5SDljVJ2/pO0z2LLY6Sh8aGZMUVExajRadIMCC3fPoW9yeIcdiVzmkknjOhiVoYhocIiomgTHTkuBzgrQP+eqCq/8YU4JB8jpQS54NOHSxQX7SOX85kUz4v3/M5z+Mkfz8jY= Received: by 10.54.40.38 with SMTP id n38mr1160541wrn; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.5.74 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:52:59 +0200 From: Schneelocke To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen In-Reply-To: <87zmuhzq7l.fsf@peder.flower> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_986_8306432.1117140779815" References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> <8764x6foor.fsf@peder.flower> <87zmuhzq7l.fsf@peder.flower> Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Schneelocke List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 20:58:36 -0000 ------=_Part_986_8306432.1117140779815 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Jan, > If you look in the .ps with a text editor, you'll see that fonts are > loaded by a command that looks like >=20 > %%BeginFont: PFAEmmentaler-20 > (c:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/type1//PFA= emmentaler-20.pfa) (r) file .loadfont > %%EndFont >=20 > The font that has the problem, has >=20 > (#f) (r) file .loadfont OK, here's the relevant part (from xiao-haizi-guai-guai.ps): --- CUT HERE --- %%BeginFont: PFAAybabtu-Regular (#f) (r) file .loadfont=20 %%EndFont %%BeginFont: PFAPFAEmmentaler-23 (#f) (r) file .loadfont=20 %%EndFont --- CUT HERE --- Other files (like simple.ps) fail to load the PFAAybabtu-Regular font, at least; the font files are there, though (share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/type1/PFAaybabtu.pfa and .../PFAemmentaler-23.pfa, respectively). What's noteworthy is that the BeginFont directives seem to refer to these fonts with an extra PFA prefix - something that's not the case for PFAEmmentaler-20 (which has a valid filename in the ps file). The rest of the document does seem to refer to "Aybabtu-Regular" instead of "PFAAybabtu-Regular", at least (the same goes for PFAEmmentaler-23). I tried manually replacing the #f's by paths to the respective font files, but that doesn't work, either, not even when I change the BeginFont directives and remove the extra "PFA" prefixes. I attached a file that shows the ghostscript errors I get in that case, just in case it might be helpful. > > the "Convert to PDF" context menu item is gone, and PDF conversion > > fails for *all* files now >=20 > How odd. The menu item should be unconditionally written as (nsis comman= d) >=20 > WriteRegExpandStr HKCR "LilyPond\shell\generate\command" "" '$INS= TDIR\usr\bin\lilypond.exe "%1"' >=20 > maybe that does not work [for you], and the context menu you saw was a > leftover from a previous Cygwin install? I don't think Cygwin creates a context menu item - it really just installs the binary package, which is then usable from a shell. 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For Instance I have a metafont font that prints recorder fingerings and a set of macros for accessing them (It could be adapted to other woodwind instruments). In the past I could put a fingering over a note simply by placing the appropriate macro in markup. /Bernard Mats Bengtsson wrote: > You just have to find out how to input that particular symbol > with your keyboard and your text editor. On my Linux box, I can > press Alt Gr and C to get a =A9. >=20 > Since LilyPond 2.5+ no longer uses TeX, you cannot use TeX commands. >=20 From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 18:31:42 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbQtC-0004uk-3e for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:31:42 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbQsj-0004mx-3e for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:31:13 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbQsi-0004mg-46 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:31:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbQsh-0004dW-Bk for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:31:11 -0400 Received: from [17.250.248.72] (helo=smtpout.mac.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbQnw-0007QG-J8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:26:16 -0400 Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout15/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j4QMPVWe002701 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.202.20.71] (a17-202-20-71.apple.com [17.202.20.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j4QMPUaN004096 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <200505262057.j4QKvWXq027660@mac.com> References: <200505262057.j4QKvWXq027660@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--747307858 Message-Id: <7908367C-4B0F-4A35-8A31-D697CF1FFBB8@mac.com> From: Matthias Neeracher Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:25:29 -0700 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for MacOS X X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:31:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail-8--747307858 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > From: Robert T Wyatt > > On 10.3.9, the binary installed and ran; nice work! I haven't tried > clickApp yet; do I open the PDF file with it? You open the .ly file. > Notes: > > 1) The title and author are now in sans-serif fonts, the other > fonts look the same as before. Yes, I noticed that, too. I think this is a symptom of fontconfig not finding the correct font and falling back to, I believe, Verdana. > 2) I ran lily by putting an alias on the desktop and dragging a .ly > file from a folder onto it. The resulting PDF was on the desktop (I > don't know where I expected it to be, this is just an observation). It would seem to me that the proper place for the pdf should be the directory that the .ly came from. Matthias --Apple-Mail-8--747307858 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1



= --Apple-Mail-8--747307858-- From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 18:58:46 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbRJK-0006dR-KS for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:58:43 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbRJE-0006Wm-5Y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:58:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbRJA-0006VF-B5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:58:32 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbRJ9-0006TU-LM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:58:31 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbRCI-0003S6-Oj for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:51:26 -0400 Received: from pd4mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr8so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.101]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH400GRMCRKA5A0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:50:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IH4007GLCRKSK60@pd4mr8so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:50:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IH400HDZCRJW9@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:50:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:50:06 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: <7d570a28f0e955d34f5207e5548936ae@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: 2.6 freebsd port X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:58:39 -0000 A port of lilypond 2.6 (well, 2.5.27) is being worked on; it should be ready in a day or two. Cheers, - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Thu May 26 22:51:53 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbUwz-0008Nn-IQ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:51:53 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbUww-0008Ne-7f for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:51:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbUwv-0008NS-QU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:51:49 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbUwI-00084c-4d for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:51:10 -0400 Received: from [68.168.78.199] (helo=mta9.adelphia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbUcL-0006zr-0q for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:30:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [69.164.65.150]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.01 201-2131-118-101-20041129) with ESMTP id <20050527022944.QAXB8952.mta9.adelphia.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:29:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) In-Reply-To: <42950EBF.40108@xs4all.nl> References: <42950EBF.40108@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <32B2ADF4-91E0-4F45-9FA5-D32BC185BCDA@edbaskerville.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Baskerville Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:29:44 -0400 To: lily-devel X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for MacOS X X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 02:51:50 -0000 Generally works for me on 10.4.1 (old PowerBook G4). ClickEdit seems to be getting the textedit: URLs just fine. lilypond.sh works as well, but if I try running LilyPond.app/Contents/ Resources/bin/lilypond I get the following dyld error: dyld: Library not loaded: /Users/hanwen/src/maclily/BUILD/build.app// Contents/Resources/lib/libintl.1.dylib Referenced from: /Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/ lilypond Reason: image not found Trace/BPT trap --Ed On May 25, 2005, at 7:48 PM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > > Hi, > > in the wake of Jan's announcement for LilyPond for Windows, I'd > like to announce LilyPond for MacOS X, which you can download from > > http://lilypond.org/~hanwen/lilypond-2.5.26.zip > > > (this is a pre-release .26 version). > > This zip file includes ClickEdit.app, an application to support PDF > point & click editing on Macintosh. > > Send success reports, bug reports, and patches here. > > -- > Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > > > From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 27 16:58:58 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dblv0-0005uv-3u for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:58:58 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dblux-0005sQ-Kr for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:58:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dbluv-0005rY-RH for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:58:54 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dbluv-0005r9-EF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:58:53 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.25] (helo=smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dblrb-0001pi-0F for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:55:27 -0400 Received: from peder.flower (appel.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.178]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4RKsMjG042614; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:54:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janneke@gnu.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DblqY-0004P9-Cd; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:54:22 +0200 To: Schneelocke References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> <8764x6foor.fsf@peder.flower> <87zmuhzq7l.fsf@peder.flower> From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: Jan at Appel Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:54:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: (schneelocke@gmail.com's message of "Thu, 26 May 2005 22:52:59 +0200") Message-ID: <877jhk1jb5.fsf@peder.flower> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Han-Wen Nienhuys , lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:58:56 -0000 Schneelocke writes: > --- CUT HERE --- > %%BeginFont: PFAAybabtu-Regular > (#f) (r) file .loadfont > %%EndFont > > %%BeginFont: PFAPFAEmmentaler-23 > (#f) (r) file .loadfont > %%EndFont > --- CUT HERE --- Thanks. I'm sure that I've seen this PFAPFA bug before, but I cannot remember when/where. Han-Wen, ideas? Maybe it is just pango or fontconfig not being able to find the font or their configuration file. The --verbose output (I guess before it's redirected to the .log file) should tell us that. > Other files (like simple.ps) fail to load the PFAAybabtu-Regular font, > at least; the font files are there, though > (share/lilypond/2.5.25/fonts/type1/PFAaybabtu.pfa and > .../PFAemmentaler-23.pfa, respectively). What's noteworthy is that the > BeginFont directives seem to refer to these fonts with an extra PFA > prefix - something that's not the case for PFAEmmentaler-20 (which has > a valid filename in the ps file). The rest of the document does seem > to refer to "Aybabtu-Regular" instead of "PFAAybabtu-Regular", at > least (the same goes for PFAEmmentaler-23). Hmm. I'm not sure how to fix this. > I don't think Cygwin creates a context menu item - it really just > installs the binary package, which is then usable from a shell. Yes it does. > But in any case, I didn't uninstall the Cygwin package, so even if > it was left over from that one, it shouldn't be gone now. The uninstaller wants to write the same context menu, and removes it upon uninstallation. Maybe noone has used the context menu, but just drag and drops. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 27 17:15:13 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbmAi-0001kG-Mc for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:15:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbmAg-0001j3-Il for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:15:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbmAd-0001hj-U1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:15:08 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbmAd-0001h5-Km for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:15:07 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.35] (helo=smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dbm6T-0002gN-Mj; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:10:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4RL9iI6074577; Fri, 27 May 2005 23:09:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@lilypond.org) Message-ID: <42978D1C.2080703@lilypond.org> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 23:11:56 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.3 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> <8764x6foor.fsf@peder.flower> <87zmuhzq7l.fsf@peder.flower> <877jhk1jb5.fsf@peder.flower> In-Reply-To: <877jhk1jb5.fsf@peder.flower> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:15:11 -0000 Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > Schneelocke writes: > > > >>--- CUT HERE --- >>%%BeginFont: PFAAybabtu-Regular >>(#f) (r) file .loadfont >>%%EndFont >> >>%%BeginFont: PFAPFAEmmentaler-23 >>(#f) (r) file .loadfont >>%%EndFont >>--- CUT HERE --- > > > Thanks. I'm sure that I've seen this PFAPFA bug before, but I cannot > remember when/where. Han-Wen, ideas? Not sure. Someone is calling munge-lily-font-name twice. > Maybe it is just pango or fontconfig not being able to find the font > or their configuration file. > the PFAemmentaler and PFAaybabtu are found with ly:find-file which does not look at pango/fc. This means that the path configuration inside Lily is broken. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys | LilyPond Software Design hanwen@lilypond.org | http://www.lilypond-design.com T +31-30-2948145 | From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 27 17:21:47 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbmH4-000628-UK for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:21:47 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbmH2-00060K-FU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:21:44 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbmH0-0005zH-Jg for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:21:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbmH0-0005z0-HF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:21:42 -0400 Received: from [64.233.184.201] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbmCA-00030R-RS for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:16:42 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so1088492wri for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 14:15:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=N70WDXVRQTZ9zDv/peV4TD7evTulsMx0WpKc7H9H0UWI+EA+oiixxgqB7WaMBs32XYNV7PRrY6ZM3vsU6I3E3+ExlJQsvI0dPDZcsichXhVBykuw1eFcaAyyzKI2OmnHKKdSnIh+TOthy+4Vz/vxkmK+lYW01S+KnO3iBgMJTcY= Received: by 10.54.82.13 with SMTP id f13mr663103wrb; Fri, 27 May 2005 14:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.5.74 with HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2005 14:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 23:15:44 +0200 From: Schneelocke To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen In-Reply-To: <877jhk1jb5.fsf@peder.flower> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> <8764x6foor.fsf@peder.flower> <87zmuhzq7l.fsf@peder.flower> <877jhk1jb5.fsf@peder.flower> Cc: Han-Wen Nienhuys , lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Schneelocke List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:21:45 -0000 Hi, > > I don't think Cygwin creates a context menu item - it really just > > installs the binary package, which is then usable from a shell. >=20 > Yes it does. Touch=E9 - I just checked, reinstalling the Cygwin package, and you're right. Unfortunately, neither that nor another reinstall of the new native package on top of that nor the removal of the Cygwin package prior to (re)installing the native package made a difference. =20 BTW, is there a native package for .26 available yet? The announcement sent out yesterday seemed to indicate there was one, but last time I checked (last night), the referenced file was still for .25. (For that matter, it would be nice if the installers were labelled with the version number, too - something like "lilypond_setup_2.5.26.exe" makes it much easier to keep everything organized than just "setup.exe", even without the need to rename the file manually. :)) --=20 schnee From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 27 18:17:50 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dbn9H-0006Tr-JL for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:17:49 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dbn99-0006QP-GO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:17:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dbn92-0006LE-1g for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:17:32 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dbn8z-0006HB-H1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:17:29 -0400 Received: from [64.233.184.198] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dbmwr-0004ub-NN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:04:57 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so1096977wri for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:03:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WDqhjWNISTVbVxjYoWATNmpwB3bh7xccninn7R0OcgNwEuldYCKMaxMDy5ENXNSGvJe4fg6lBiNz/w3ZF+nR1gZTUdpv4/zu71kmD0GhyKyKHLbGvjh/YrPHsc3vpeNFdZQsoAoSBkQyorq/ZurpRxX0k9TglWI12GL7zbfgqw4= Received: by 10.54.40.52 with SMTP id n52mr1844644wrn; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.5.74 with HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 00:03:59 +0200 From: Schneelocke To: Han-Wen Nienhuys In-Reply-To: <42979967.2000109@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> <8764x6foor.fsf@peder.flower> <87zmuhzq7l.fsf@peder.flower> <42979967.2000109@xs4all.nl> Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Jan Nieuwenhuizen Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Schneelocke List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:17:42 -0000 Hi, > > I tried manually replacing the #f's by paths to the respective font > > files, but that doesn't work, either, not even when I change the > > BeginFont directives and remove the extra "PFA" prefixes. I attached a > > file that shows the ghostscript errors I get in that case, just in > > case it might be helpful. >=20 > This is very well possible. GS has problems loading asian fonts on Linux > as well. Yeah, but as I mentioned in an earlier email, I cannot compile any Lilypond file anymore at all now (at least not using the native package - the Cygwin version continues to work). :/ --=20 schnee From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 27 18:17:51 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dbn9L-0006VV-1E for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:17:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dbn9A-0006Qk-CC for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:17:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dbn92-0006Lv-TN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:17:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dbn90-0006HB-9j for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:17:30 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.28] (helo=smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbmvA-0004rE-9O; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:03:12 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4RM2AvS043089; Sat, 28 May 2005 00:02:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <42979967.2000109@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 00:04:23 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.3 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Schneelocke References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> <8764x6foor.fsf@peder.flower> <87zmuhzq7l.fsf@peder.flower> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, Jan Nieuwenhuizen Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:17:45 -0000 Schneelocke wrote: > I tried manually replacing the #f's by paths to the respective font > files, but that doesn't work, either, not even when I change the > BeginFont directives and remove the extra "PFA" prefixes. I attached a > file that shows the ghostscript errors I get in that case, just in > case it might be helpful. This is very well possible. GS has problems loading asian fonts on Linux as well. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 27 18:46:57 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbnbV-0000z4-Nw for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:46:57 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbU7c-0007Dm-79 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:58:48 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbU7b-0007D8-4h for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:58:47 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbU7b-0007D5-28 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:58:47 -0400 Received: from [68.168.78.44] (helo=mta13.adelphia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbU4X-0001J3-FT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:55:37 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [69.164.65.150]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.01 201-2131-118-101-20041129) with ESMTP id <20050527015448.UIHB4191.mta13.adelphia.net@[192.168.0.2]>; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:54:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: <42950EBF.40108@xs4all.nl> References: <42950EBF.40108@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <726DEF6F-A820-430B-8972-265F7AC10D57@edbaskerville.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Baskerville Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 21:54:48 -0400 To: Han-Wen Nienhuys X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 27 May 2005 18:46:55 -0400 Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for MacOS X X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 01:58:49 -0000 Generally works for me on 10.4.1 (old PowerBook G4). ClickEdit seems to be getting the textedit: URLs just fine. lilypond.sh works as well, but if I try running LilyPond.app/Contents/ Resources/bin/lilypond I get the following dyld error: dyld: Library not loaded: /Users/hanwen/src/maclily/BUILD/build.app// Contents/Resources/lib/libintl.1.dylib Referenced from: /Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin/ lilypond Reason: image not found Trace/BPT trap --Ed On May 25, 2005, at 7:48 PM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > > Hi, > > in the wake of Jan's announcement for LilyPond for Windows, I'd > like to announce LilyPond for MacOS X, which you can download from > > http://lilypond.org/~hanwen/lilypond-2.5.26.zip > > > (this is a pre-release .26 version). > > This zip file includes ClickEdit.app, an application to support PDF > point & click editing on Macintosh. > > Send success reports, bug reports, and patches here. > > -- > Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel > From MAILER-DAEMON Fri May 27 18:46:58 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DbnbV-0000z8-Sk for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:46:57 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dbdsy-0004C4-HR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:24:21 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DbdsQ-0003un-QR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:23:47 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dbdms-0001jR-5A for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:18:02 -0400 Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dbdgz-00049H-UY for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:11:58 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 May 2005 12:11:03 -0000 Received: from A8506.a.pppool.de (EHLO gmx.de) [213.6.133.6] by mail.gmx.net (mp008) with SMTP; 27 May 2005 14:11:03 +0200 X-Authenticated: #9021649 Message-ID: <42971294.4070602@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:29:08 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?johannes_sch=F6pfer?= Organization: music User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 27 May 2005 18:46:55 -0400 Subject: lilypond 2.5.26 on slackware X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: johannes.schoepfer@gmx.de List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 12:24:21 -0000 hello, i succesfully compiled lilypond 2.5.26 on a clean slackware 10.1. are you interrested in an actual slackware-package for download on the lilypond homepage? greetings, johannes schöpfer From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 28 08:33:33 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc0VQ-0000rH-DV for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:33:32 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc0VJ-0000kg-Jk for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:33:25 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc0VG-0000hb-DM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:33:22 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc0VF-0000gP-Ng for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:33:21 -0400 Received: from [66.92.70.82] (helo=tuba.laymusic.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dc0OK-0008Lh-0G for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:26:12 -0400 Received: by tuba.laymusic.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E0E64FA0009; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:25:00 -0400 (EDT) To: Han-Wen Nienhuys X-Face: +h=WU/v,Ro}5P&TcQ=|qp9>.kdKUH!`7s(WC)X/15|Nd{D!]zW(^%[Sp(}0v"O|b=C9z}*4@)x_C2fgA~Wi&@/V"f6vs*B.1`(}; T=]?M6O; HvGS References: <4295977E.3030309@xs4all.nl> From: Laura Conrad Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 08:25:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4295977E.3030309@xs4all.nl> (Han-Wen Nienhuys's message of "Thu, 26 May 2005 11:31:42 +0200") Message-ID: <87r7fro7vn.fsf@serpent.laymusic.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: LilyPond 2.5.26 released. Now with installers! X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 12:33:29 -0000 >>>>> "HN" == Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: HN> I'm uploading 2.5.26. This release has a couple of small bugfixes. HN> LilyPond 2.6.0 will be out Real Soon Now, so check if there are any HN> critical problems left in this release. Well, has anyone build a Debian Package? I'm running Debian Unstable, and I've never (on 2.5) been able to run debuild. If someone's actually built a .deb, I'll be happy to test it. If not, I think it's a release-critical bug. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 28 09:59:56 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc1r1-0008G0-EO for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 09:59:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc1qu-0008B5-Lm for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 09:59:49 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc1qq-00089K-8k for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 09:59:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc1qp-00088E-QM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 09:59:43 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.24] (helo=smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dc1dm-0003Wb-Mt for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 09:46:15 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4SDiwdn010632; Sat, 28 May 2005 15:44:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <42987660.9050904@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 15:47:12 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.3 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: c_sorensen@byu.edu, lily-devel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Subject: white-dot / white-text X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 13:59:50 -0000 Hi Carl, I'm cleaning up the backend, so we can easily get the same functionality in SVG as in PS. FOr this reason, I want to remove white_dot and white_text from the routines. Can you change the fretdiagram code to use ly:stencil-in-color (see CVS) and the circle drawing routine from producing dots? Thanks! -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 28 11:49:17 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc3Yp-0006Ic-VO for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 11:49:16 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc3Ym-0006GK-39 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 11:49:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc3Yk-0006FT-NK for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 11:49:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc3Yk-0006FQ-JU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 11:49:10 -0400 Received: from [213.228.0.44] (helo=postfix3-1.free.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dc3O0-0000iT-Gz for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 11:38:04 -0400 Received: from robert (aqu33-3-82-226-195-151.fbx.proxad.net [82.226.195.151]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F6717348D for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:36:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nicolas by robert with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Dc3St-0004mq-JR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:43:10 +0200 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org References: <878y27e2f3.fsf@free.fr> From: Nicolas Sceaux X-Face: "gf86$#p, 6cy*Hn!InZ-W/%Hq+@V\Of4rnxOf`tol$KI?yE7=, m0K+H[PW#\! gy8HEFjW$0a^#9H$SOaZ[/Y-7qfM[5)*x=qW7bX{[{}wc."y$5e; nU9rxhIq`F0LaSvl9ws%p{B0$3 cHU1dw^>dB:s7c>Ebsbo}d{r5@J]P>Hnbmx| Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 17:43:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <878y27e2f3.fsf@free.fr> (Nicolas Sceaux's message of "Sun, 22 May 2005 16:54:56 +0200") Message-ID: <87u0kn9x10.fsf@free.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: nicolas.sceaux@free.fr X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on robert) Subject: Re: \displayLilyMusic X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 15:49:12 -0000 Hi, Each music type should have its print method now: I still have to write a non-regression test file, although I don't know yet how/what to test exactly. I hope to have one this week end. In case you find it not a too heavy burden, maybe it should wait for the next development branch. nicolas \version "2.5.27" #(use-modules (scm print-lily)) displayLilyMusic = #(def-music-function (parser location music) (ly:music?) (init-print-lily parser) (newline) (display-lily-music music) music) { \displayLilyMusic { R1*4^\markup "toto" } } From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 28 12:44:54 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc4Qg-00082K-F1 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 12:44:54 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc4Qe-000806-4B for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 12:44:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc4Qc-0007zL-J9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 12:44:50 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc4Qc-0007yi-AF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 12:44:50 -0400 Received: from [66.92.70.82] (helo=tuba.laymusic.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dc4OK-000480-KX for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 12:42:28 -0400 Received: by tuba.laymusic.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 33099FA0009; Sat, 28 May 2005 12:41:18 -0400 (EDT) To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Face: +h=WU/v,Ro}5P&TcQ=|qp9>.kdKUH!`7s(WC)X/15|Nd{D!]zW(^%[Sp(}0v"O|b=C9z}*4@)x_C2fgA~Wi&@/V"f6vs*B.1`(}; T=]?M6O; HvGS From: Laura Conrad Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 12:41:18 -0400 Message-ID: <87vf53mhg1.fsf@serpent.laymusic.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: lilypond-book problem X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:44:53 -0000 I have a .lytex file that worked on 2.5.21, and it's producing wierd output on this morning's CVS. I worked out the --psfonts problem, but now the music isn't being placed correctly on a page. I attempted to run lilypond-book on lbook-latex-test.tex, but was unsuccessful at figuring out the correct options. I get: lilypond-book --psfonts=fonts.ps lbook-latex-test.tex lilypond-book (GNU LilyPond) 2.5.27 lilypond-book: error: Output would overwrite input file; use --output. lilypond-book --psfonts=fonts.ps --output=out lbook-latex-test.tex lilypond-book (GNU LilyPond) 2.5.27 lilypond-book: error: Output would overwrite input file; use --output. So if anyone wants to look at my problem, the files are in . The screwy looking output is score.ps. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 28 18:35:58 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc9uO-0001tf-N8 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 18:35:56 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc9uD-0001ni-Sc for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 18:35:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc9u5-0001jR-Ub for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 18:35:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dc9u3-0001e8-Gb for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 18:35:35 -0400 Received: from [130.233.228.93] (helo=smtp-3.hut.fi) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Dc9pL-00047w-Vj for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 18:30:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (katosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.115]) by smtp-3.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4SMTSug021247 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:29:28 +0300 Received: from smtp-3.hut.fi ([130.233.228.93]) by localhost (katosiko.hut.fi [130.233.228.115]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01933-20-3 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:29:28 +0300 (EEST) Received: from baresi.hut.fi (baresi-m.hut.fi [130.233.228.121]) by smtp-3.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4SMQ5HE020499 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:26:05 +0300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by baresi.hut.fi (8.12.10/8.12.6/Submit) id j4SMQ5R9026991 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:26:05 +0300 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: <1117319165.4298effd7c328@webmail1.hut.fi> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 01:26:05 +0300 (EEST) From: Heikki Johannes Junes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: HUT webmail, IMP 2.2.6 X-Authenticated-Sender: hjunes@cc.hut.fi X-Originating-IP: 81.17.197.24 X-TKK-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.1.2-hutcc at katosiko.hut.fi Subject: Lilypond-devel, texinfo, and debian-sarge X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Heikki.Junes@hut.fi List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 22:35:48 -0000 It is not possible to complete 'make install' in a consistent manner in Debian-sarge. The problem lies in texinfo. If you use texinfo-4.7, that breaks 'make install' in lilypond-devel: install-info --remove --info-dir=/usr/local/info ./out/lilypond.info install-info(./out/lilypond.info): no entry for file `lilypond'. install-info --info-dir=/usr/local/info ./out/lilypond.info install-info(./out/lilypond.info): Invalid info entry make[2]: *** [local-install-info] Error 9 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/hjunes/build/lilypond/Documentation/user' make[1]: *** [install] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/hjunes/build/lilypond/Documentation' make: *** [install] Error 2 But if you install makeinfo-4.8, that breaks debian-sarge: Setting up wget (1.9.1-12) ... install-info: No such file or directory for Network Applications dpkg: error processing wget (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Setting up xlibs-dev (4.3.0.dfsg.1-13) ... Errors were encountered while processing: wget E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Therefore, texinfo-4.8 always has to be installed before installing lilypond from source and deinstalled after installing. Earlier I wrote that it is possible to build lilypond-cvs in debian-sarge, but this problem has always been present. -- Terveisin Heikki Junes From MAILER-DAEMON Sat May 28 19:11:18 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DcASa-0004nd-H9 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:11:16 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcASO-0004jH-0D for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:11:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcASJ-0004gb-V2 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:11:02 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcASI-0004dd-SM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:10:58 -0400 Received: from [66.92.70.82] (helo=tuba.laymusic.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DcAMh-00060Y-BI for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:05:13 -0400 Received: by tuba.laymusic.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6B362FA0009; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:03:57 -0400 (EDT) To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Face: +h=WU/v,Ro}5P&TcQ=|qp9>.kdKUH!`7s(WC)X/15|Nd{D!]zW(^%[Sp(}0v"O|b=C9z}*4@)x_C2fgA~Wi&@/V"f6vs*B.1`(}; T=]?M6O; HvGS From: Laura Conrad Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:03:56 -0400 Message-ID: <87r7frlzqb.fsf@serpent.laymusic.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Subject: Crashed lilypond, this morning's CVS X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 23:11:08 -0000 --=-=-= The lilypond file is attached. 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exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcBnu-0007kT-QN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 20:37:23 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcBns-0007in-D9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 20:37:20 -0400 Received: from [64.202.165.78] (helo=smtpout01-03.mesa1.secureserver.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DcBfj-0001Nn-5f for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 20:28:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 25507 invoked from network); 29 May 2005 00:27:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail13.mesa1.secureserver.net) (64.202.189.54) by smtpout01-03.mesa1.secureserver.net with SMTP; 29 May 2005 00:27:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 25876 invoked by uid 99); 29 May 2005 00:27:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20050529002739.25875.qmail@webmail13.mesa1.secureserver.net> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 17:27:39 -0700 From: steveweb414@nerstrand.net To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 28 May 2005 21:17:32 -0400 Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: Stemming for hymnal X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 00:37:31 -0000 Erik, Han-Wen, All, I have been experimenting with the part combiner. I know very little about scheme, being mainly a C/C++/assembler guy. Therefore, it is with due humility that I suggest changes, because I really have no idea what I'm doing. Erik's change did not achieve the desired effect. The part combiner, by itself, does much of what I want. However, notes in unison in both parts and notes a second apart should be engraved in parts rather than as a single note or chord. I changed part-combiner.scm as follows: < (> 0 (ly:pitch-steps (ly:pitch-diff (car pitches1) ---- > (>= 1 (ly:pitch-steps (ly:pitch-diff (car pitches1) That achieves the desired result. Since I am using a common hymnal formatting convention, you may wish to consider making the part combiner adjustable this way without resorting to a change to the source. Special thanks to Erik for pointing me in the right direction. Kindest regards, Steve Dunlop Nerstrand, MN > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [SPAM] Re: Stemming for hymnal > From: Erik Sandberg > Date: Wed, May 25, 2005 5:57 am > To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org > Cc: steveweb414@nerstrand.net, "Han-Wen Nienhuys" > > On Friday 20 May 2005 18.40, steveweb414@nerstrand.net wrote: > > Still having some unresolved trouble with stems for my public domain > > hymnal project. > > > > I've attached an excerpt to show you what I'm doing. > > I think it would be enough to use the part combiner, but replace the line > (chord-threshold 8) > with > (chord-threshold 0) > in scm/part-combiner.scm, and use \partcombine. > > Unfortunately, I can't find out how to do the change easily without messing > with your lilypond installation. > > Han-Wen, would it be a good idea to make the threshold tweakable? > > Erik From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 29 03:56:45 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DcIf6-0006Wr-Ih for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 03:56:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcIf2-0006WT-L5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 03:56:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcIeq-0006VX-Tu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 03:56:38 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcIeo-0006VK-Lw for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 03:56:27 -0400 Received: from [195.70.32.130] (helo=mail.interware.hu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DcIcx-0000nH-Q6; Sun, 29 May 2005 03:54:32 -0400 Received: from caracas-2627.adsl.interware.hu ([213.178.110.67]) by mail.interware.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1DcIbe-0006LE-Rg; Sun, 29 May 2005 09:53:10 +0200 Message-ID: <429974DD.4000909@freemail.hu> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 09:53:01 +0200 From: Bertalan Fodor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: hu-hu, hu, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> <4294DFC8.2040305@freemail.hu> <87hdgqb34z.fsf@peder.flower> In-Reply-To: <87hdgqb34z.fsf@peder.flower> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 07:56:42 -0000 A question: with which file should I run lilypond? lilypond.bat or lilypond.exe? With lilypond.bat: why does it make sense, to put the result onto the Desktop? Bert From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 29 06:17:55 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DcKri-0006UX-2i for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 06:17:54 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcKqI-00063A-DU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 06:16:26 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcKqF-000617-Jh for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 06:16:24 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcKoo-0004tc-Ha for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 06:14:54 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.27] (helo=smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DcKW7-0005mB-Fu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 05:55:35 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4T9sFF1042899; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:54:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <429991CE.20205@xs4all.nl> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 11:56:30 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.3 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laura Conrad References: <87r7frlzqb.fsf@serpent.laymusic.org> In-Reply-To: <87r7frlzqb.fsf@serpent.laymusic.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Crashed lilypond, this morning's CVS X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 10:17:48 -0000 Laura Conrad wrote: > The lilypond file is attached. The error message is: thanks. Fixed in CVS. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 29 09:42:57 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DcO46-00077T-UR for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 09:42:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcO42-000756-6P for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 09:42:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcO40-00074D-EB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 09:42:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcO3y-0006mI-6R; Sun, 29 May 2005 09:42:46 -0400 Received: from [195.70.32.130] (helo=mail.interware.hu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DcNsq-0007iC-2T; Sun, 29 May 2005 09:31:16 -0400 Received: from caracas-2627.adsl.interware.hu ([213.178.110.67]) by mail.interware.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1DcNrV-0002RN-Si; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:29:54 +0200 Message-ID: <4299C3C8.1040002@freemail.hu> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 15:29:44 +0200 From: Bertalan Fodor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: hu-hu, hu, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond-user , lilypond-devel@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Windows native and jEdit X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:42:53 -0000 I copy this to lilypond-devel as well, because I'm interested in the developers' opinion, especially about the third step. To use point-and-click with jEdit and Adobe Reader in the native build of lilypond: 1. create a jump.bsh file somewhere, possibly in c:\prog\jEdit\macros\Misc\: // COPY FROM HERE: void jump() { void run() { param = args[2]; view = jEdit.getLastView(); for ( b : jEdit.getBuffers() ) { if (b.getPath().contains("textedit")) { jEdit.closeBuffer(view, buffer); break; } } param=param.replaceAll("textedit://", ""); parts=param.split(":"); line=parts[parts.length-2]; col=parts[parts.length-1]; fileName = param.substring(0, param.length()-(line.length()+col.length()+2)); buffer = jEdit.openFile(view, fileName); view.goToBuffer(buffer); textArea = jEdit.getActiveView().getTextArea(); // lily takes a \t character as 8 normal characters. line = new Integer(line)-1; col = new Integer(col)-1; lineText = textArea.getLineText(line); // \t will only be one character int columnOffset; for (columnOffset = 0; col >= 0; columnOffset++, col--) { if (lineText.charAt(columnOffset) == '\t') { col -= 7; } } int offset = textArea.getLineStartOffset(line)+columnOffset; textArea.setCaretPosition(offset); } if(jEdit.getLastView() == null) VFSManager.runInAWTThread(this); else run(); } jump(); // COPY UNTIL HERE ------------------------------- 2. create a jedit.bat file in c:\Program Files\LilyPond\usr\bin, with the content java -jar c:\prog\jedit\jedit.jar -reuseview -run="c:\prog\jEdit\macros\Misc\jump.bsh" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 Note you must set jump.bsh's directory in the -run parameter ------------------------------- 3. We don't need guile for parameter processing, so change some lines in lilypond-invoke-editor.bat (keep the first lines intact): ... set LYEDITOR=jedit :editor %LYEDITOR% %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 ------------------ For running the native lilypond from jEdit, I had to modify the plugin sources, so until that, you could use the System shell in the Console, with the following commands. The first two commands are only necessary before the first build of the file. cd ${d} %unset USERPROFILE "c:\program files\lilypond\usr\bin\lilypond.bat" ${f} Bert From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 29 15:02:09 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DcT32-00028E-Ut for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:02:09 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcT2v-00024a-T1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:02:02 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcT2s-00022u-7Z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:01:58 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcT2r-00021Y-C3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:01:57 -0400 Received: from [213.163.128.203] (helo=esprit.glocalnet.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DcSxW-0006pk-8V for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:56:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (84.217.118.12) by esprit.glocalnet.net (7.2.033.1) (authenticated as matsb@glocalnet.net) id 428C5DD7003B687A; Sun, 29 May 2005 20:54:57 +0200 Message-ID: <429A1001.3070209@s3.kth.se> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:54:57 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laura Conrad References: <87vf53mhg1.fsf@serpent.laymusic.org> In-Reply-To: <87vf53mhg1.fsf@serpent.laymusic.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: lilypond-book problem X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 19:02:04 -0000 It seems that you use the suffix .tex for your LaTeX file with embedded LilyPond commands. The problem is that the output file from lilypond-book also is given the suffix .tex since that's the convention for usual LaTeX files that can be processed directly by LaTeX. One solution is to use another suffix for your input files to lilypond-book (I use .lytex and I think that's used also in the examples in the manual). An alternative is to do what the error message tells you, namely to let lilypond-book place the generated output files in a separate directory, for example lilypond-book --output=out ... will place the files in the directory out/ (there's an example of that too in the manual). An additional advantage of using --output is that you don't get all these ly-* files in the same directory where you edit your input files. /Mats Laura Conrad wrote: > I have a .lytex file that worked on 2.5.21, and it's producing wierd > output on this morning's CVS. > > I worked out the --psfonts problem, but now the music isn't being > placed correctly on a page. > > I attempted to run lilypond-book on lbook-latex-test.tex, but was > unsuccessful at figuring out the correct options. I get: > > lilypond-book --psfonts=fonts.ps lbook-latex-test.tex > lilypond-book (GNU LilyPond) 2.5.27 > lilypond-book: error: Output would overwrite input file; use --output. > > lilypond-book --psfonts=fonts.ps --output=out lbook-latex-test.tex > lilypond-book (GNU LilyPond) 2.5.27 > lilypond-book: error: Output would overwrite input file; use --output. > > So if anyone wants to look at my problem, the files are in > . The screwy > looking output is score.ps. > -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 29 16:32:55 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DcUSt-0000p2-4o for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 16:32:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcUSp-0000nX-FL for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 16:32:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcUSn-0000m2-82 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 16:32:49 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcUSm-0000ls-Rj for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 16:32:48 -0400 Received: from [66.92.70.82] (helo=tuba.laymusic.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DcUOG-0003Rc-Vc for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 16:28:09 -0400 Received: by tuba.laymusic.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A2A7FFA0009; Sun, 29 May 2005 16:26:42 -0400 (EDT) To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Face: +h=WU/v,Ro}5P&TcQ=|qp9>.kdKUH!`7s(WC)X/15|Nd{D!]zW(^%[Sp(}0v"O|b=C9z}*4@)x_C2fgA~Wi&@/V"f6vs*B.1`(}; T=]?M6O; HvGS From: Laura Conrad Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 16:26:42 -0400 Message-ID: <87d5r9lqwt.fsf@serpent.laymusic.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Subject: abc2ly fix for multipart ABC X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:32:54 -0000 --=-=-= Here's a patch. The syntax error in the lilypond output by abc2ly isn't fatal, but it's confusing. --=-=-= Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=multipart.diff ? build-stamp ? mf/feta11.tfm ? mf/feta13.tfm ? mf/feta14.tfm ? mf/feta16.tfm ? mf/feta18.tfm ? mf/feta20.tfm ? mf/feta23.tfm ? mf/feta26.tfm Index: ChangeLog =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/lilypond/lilypond/ChangeLog,v retrieving revision 1.3675 diff -p -u -u -r1.3675 ChangeLog --- ChangeLog 29 May 2005 10:01:31 -0000 1.3675 +++ ChangeLog 29 May 2005 20:23:16 -0000 @@ -1,3 +1,6 @@ +2005-05-29 Laura Conrad + * abc2ly.py: fix to syntax error in multi-part output. + 2005-05-29 Han-Wen Nienhuys * lily/bar-line.cc (print): don't round barlines; this produces Index: debian/changelog =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/lilypond/lilypond/debian/changelog,v retrieving revision 1.40 diff -p -u -u -r1.40 changelog --- debian/changelog 27 Aug 2004 17:33:49 -0000 1.40 +++ debian/changelog 29 May 2005 20:23:16 -0000 @@ -1,3 +1,9 @@ +lilypond (2.5.26.local.1) unstable; urgency=low + + * Local build. + + -- root Sat, 28 May 2005 07:03:22 -0400 + lilypond (2.2.6-1) unstable; urgency=high * New upstream stable release. (Closes: Bug#264263) Index: scm/lily.scm =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/lilypond/lilypond/scm/lily.scm,v retrieving revision 1.348 diff -p -u -u -r1.348 lily.scm --- scm/lily.scm 28 May 2005 13:43:24 -0000 1.348 +++ scm/lily.scm 29 May 2005 20:23:17 -0000 @@ -256,7 +256,7 @@ The syntax is the same as `define*-publi "paper.scm" "backend-library.scm" - "x11-color.scm" +;; "x11-color.scm" ;; must be after everything has been defined "safe-lily.scm")) Index: scripts/abc2ly.py =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/lilypond/lilypond/scripts/abc2ly.py,v retrieving revision 1.51 diff -p -u -u -r1.51 abc2ly.py --- scripts/abc2ly.py 26 Apr 2005 14:04:15 -0000 1.51 +++ scripts/abc2ly.py 29 May 2005 20:23:17 -0000 @@ -286,11 +286,6 @@ def dump_score (outf): outf.write ("\n >>") outf.write ("\n\t\\layout {\n") - if part_names: - outf.write ("\t \\translator \n\t {\n") - outf.write ("\t\t\\StaffContext\n") -# outf.write ("\t\t\\consists Staff_margin_engraver\n") - outf.write ("\t }\n") outf.write ("\t}\n\t\\midi {%s}\n}\n" % midi_specs) --=-=-= -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 --=-=-=-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 29 17:04:46 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DcUua-0002WJ-Rg for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 17:01:32 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcUu9-0002Hm-Sm for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 17:01:06 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcUtp-0002BT-Uj for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 17:01:02 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcUtm-0002AY-Tn for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 17:00:43 -0400 Received: from [66.92.70.82] (helo=tuba.laymusic.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DcUgf-0004Oi-6e for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 16:47:09 -0400 Received: by tuba.laymusic.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 86462FA0009; Sun, 29 May 2005 16:45:42 -0400 (EDT) To: Mats Bengtsson X-Face: +h=WU/v,Ro}5P&TcQ=|qp9>.kdKUH!`7s(WC)X/15|Nd{D!]zW(^%[Sp(}0v"O|b=C9z}*4@)x_C2fgA~Wi&@/V"f6vs*B.1`(}; T=]?M6O; HvGS References: <87vf53mhg1.fsf@serpent.laymusic.org> <429A1001.3070209@s3.kth.se> From: Laura Conrad Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 16:45:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <429A1001.3070209@s3.kth.se> (Mats Bengtsson's message of "Sun, 29 May 2005 20:54:57 +0200") Message-ID: <878y1xlq16.fsf@serpent.laymusic.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: lilypond-book problem X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 21:01:07 -0000 >>>>> "MB" == Mats Bengtsson writes: MB> It seems that you use the suffix .tex for your LaTeX file with embedded MB> LilyPond commands. I don't, but the example in input/tutorial/lbook-latex-test.tex does. That was why I couldn't test whether it was my .lytex file or lilypond-book in general that was having the problem. MB> The problem is that the output file from lilypond-book also is MB> given the suffix .tex since that's the convention for usual MB> LaTeX files that can be processed directly by LaTeX. One MB> solution is to use another suffix for your input files to MB> lilypond-book (I use .lytex and I think that's used also in MB> the examples in the manual). An alternative is to do what the MB> error message tells you, namely to let lilypond-book place the MB> generated output files in a separate directory, for example MB> lilypond-book --output=out ... will place the files in the MB> directory out/ (there's an example of that too in the MB> manual). An additional advantage of using --output is that you MB> don't get all these ly-* files in the same directory where you MB> edit your input files. I tried that and it didn't work for some reason. I have now tried with --out=outdir, and run lilypond-book without errors. The example is not having as major a problem as my example, but it is still ignoring the right margin. That is: cd input/tutorial lilypond-book --output=outdir --psfonts=fonts.ps lbook-latex-test.lytex cd outdir latex lbook-latex-test.tex dvips -h fonts.ps lbook-latex-test.dvi produces a .ps file which has music running off the right margin. My example has whole pages of music, and instead of putting one line vertically over another, it is putting them next to each other and running off the page. So I conclude that since 2.5.21 someone has broken the way latex places the lily*.eps files. I also find the message about how to run dvips a little confusing, since dvips isn't the next thing to run. Maybe both the latex and the dvips commands could be included in the message? >> So if anyone wants to look at my problem, the files are in >> . The screwy >> looking output is score.ps. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 29 17:48:39 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DcVeB-0004aQ-DR for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 17:48:39 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcVe8-0004ZA-Tw for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 17:48:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcVe6-0004X8-Qc for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 17:48:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcVe3-0004TX-8w; Sun, 29 May 2005 17:48:31 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.29] (helo=smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DcVbx-00072L-KR; Sun, 29 May 2005 17:46:21 -0400 Received: from peder.flower (appel.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.178]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4TLisqi048916; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:44:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janneke@gnu.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcVaX-0007RA-VE; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:44:54 +0200 To: Bertalan Fodor References: <4299C3C8.1040002@freemail.hu> From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: Jan at Appel Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:44:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4299C3C8.1040002@freemail.hu> (Bertalan Fodor's message of "Sun, 29 May 2005 15:29:44 +0200") Message-ID: <87br6tzoyy.fsf@peder.flower> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, lilypond-user Subject: Re: Windows native and jEdit X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 21:48:37 -0000 Bertalan Fodor writes: > I copy this to lilypond-devel as well, because I'm interested in the > developers' opinion, especially about the third step. Thanks for looking into this, but actually, I do not like this solution very much. The lilypond-invoke-editor script parses the textedit url and creates a command line, something like editor +LINE:COLUMN FILE It (or actuall scm/editor.scm) constructs command lines for different editors to place the cursor at the right position. As jEdit only supports jumping to a line, lilypond can only support that ootb. So, now we have ("jedit" . "jedit %(file)s +line:%(line)s") The right solution would be for jEdit to accept a jump-to-column command line switch, ie: submit your column placment code to jEdit. That would also help with placement of the cursor for error messages. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 29 17:59:06 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DcVoH-0007ks-M3 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 17:59:05 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcVoF-0007jZ-Ex for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 17:59:03 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcVo9-0007g9-Kl for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 17:58:58 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcVo7-0007dj-TM for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 17:58:55 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.31] (helo=smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DcVkD-0007QG-Bw for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 17:54:53 -0400 Received: from peder.flower (appel.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.178]) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4TLrPGl088854; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:53:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janneke@gnu.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcVin-0007SE-15; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:53:25 +0200 To: Bertalan Fodor References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> <4294DFC8.2040305@freemail.hu> <87hdgqb34z.fsf@peder.flower> <429974DD.4000909@freemail.hu> From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: Jan at Appel Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:53:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: <429974DD.4000909@freemail.hu> (Bertalan Fodor's message of "Sun, 29 May 2005 09:53:01 +0200") Message-ID: <8764x1zokr.fsf@peder.flower> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 21:59:04 -0000 Bertalan Fodor writes: > A question: > with which file should I run lilypond? lilypond.bat or lilypond.exe? That depends, for now they both work, I guess. The .exe has some extra functionality of tweaking the environment, that may be removed in the future. I'm not sure yet, because running the .bat file opens a console, which looks amateurish. > With lilypond.bat: why does it make sense, to put the result onto the > Desktop? I do not understand this question. AFAIK, the .bat file is needed to get the result onto the desktop at all. The new lilypond user will drag and drop a .ly file onto lilypond, and the result should be placed on the desktop, I guess. I tried setting the working directory to %USERPROFILE%\, but the %USERPROFILE% does not get expanded in that box. In case lilypond is installed for all users, the result must not be written to the shared desktop (where the icon resides), because there is probably no write access there. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 29 18:13:11 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DcW1s-0005Cy-Tv for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:13:11 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcW1n-00059p-D5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:13:03 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcW1k-00057x-43 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:13:00 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcW1j-00057P-Ud for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:12:59 -0400 Received: from [130.238.7.33] (helo=limicola.its.uu.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DcVz2-0008AJ-Tl for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:10:13 -0400 Received: by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix, from userid 205) id 96B7A4866; Mon, 30 May 2005 00:08:44 +0200 (MSZ) Received: from limicola.its.uu.se(127.0.0.1) by limicola.its.uu.se via virus-scan id s2081; Mon, 30 May 05 00:08:39 +0200 Received: from [192.168.62.57] (regulus3.student.uu.se [130.238.5.5]) by limicola.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4744862; Mon, 30 May 2005 00:08:38 +0200 (MSZ) From: Erik Sandberg Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs To: steveweb414@nerstrand.net Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 00:08:00 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20050529002739.25875.qmail@webmail13.mesa1.secureserver.net> In-Reply-To: <20050529002739.25875.qmail@webmail13.mesa1.secureserver.net> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505300008.02965.ersa9195@student.uu.se> Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org, erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Stemming for hymnal X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erik.sandberg.9195@student.uu.se List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:13:04 -0000 On Sunday 29 May 2005 02.27, steveweb414@nerstrand.net wrote: > Erik, Han-Wen, All, > > I have been experimenting with the part combiner. I know very little > about scheme, being mainly a C/C++/assembler guy. Therefore, it is > with due humility that I suggest changes, because I really have no idea > what I'm doing. > > Erik's change did not achieve the desired effect. The part combiner, by > itself, does much of what I want. However, notes in unison in both > parts and notes a second apart should be engraved in parts rather than > as a single note or chord. > > I changed part-combiner.scm as follows: > > < (> 0 (ly:pitch-steps (ly:pitch-diff (car > pitches1) > ---- > > > (>= 1 (ly:pitch-steps (ly:pitch-diff (car > > pitches1) > > That achieves the desired result. Since I am using a common hymnal > formatting convention, you may wish to consider making the part > combiner adjustable this way without resorting to a change to the > source. > I think you could also change 8 to something like -100000 (instead of 0) in my previous fix. That should also fix if the voices ever cross. Erik From MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 29 18:29:50 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DcWI2-0002WS-6d for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:29:50 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcWHt-0002SZ-9Q for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:29:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcWHn-0002PS-MJ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:29:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcWHn-0002OF-Ce for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:29:35 -0400 Received: from [195.70.32.130] (helo=mail.interware.hu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DcW92-0000J2-82; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:20:32 -0400 Received: from caracas-2123.adsl.interware.hu ([213.178.108.75]) by mail.interware.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1DcW7c-0005tD-SG; Mon, 30 May 2005 00:19:05 +0200 Message-ID: <429A3FCE.5020603@freemail.hu> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 00:18:54 +0200 From: Bertalan Fodor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: hu-hu, hu, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> <4294DFC8.2040305@freemail.hu> <87hdgqb34z.fsf@peder.flower> <429974DD.4000909@freemail.hu> <8764x1zokr.fsf@peder.flower> In-Reply-To: <8764x1zokr.fsf@peder.flower> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:29:46 -0000 >>With lilypond.bat: why does it make sense, to put the result onto the >>Desktop? >> >> I asked because I run lilypond from jEdit, and I want the result to be in the same directory as the source. Bert From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 30 02:35:23 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcdrq-0002jp-Nv for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 02:35:20 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcdrj-0002gU-OI for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 02:35:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcdrc-0002f0-KZ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 02:35:08 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcdrb-0002ch-G1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 02:35:03 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.22] (helo=smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dcdp6-0006nH-3L for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 02:32:28 -0400 Received: from peder.flower (appel.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.178]) by smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4U6Utue038341; Mon, 30 May 2005 08:30:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janneke@gnu.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcdnb-0001Xv-70; Mon, 30 May 2005 08:30:55 +0200 To: Bertalan Fodor References: <878y23b1h6.fsf@peder.flower> <4294DFC8.2040305@freemail.hu> <87hdgqb34z.fsf@peder.flower> <429974DD.4000909@freemail.hu> <8764x1zokr.fsf@peder.flower> <429A3FCE.5020603@freemail.hu> From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: Jan at Appel Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 08:30:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: <429A3FCE.5020603@freemail.hu> (Bertalan Fodor's message of "Mon, 30 May 2005 00:18:54 +0200") Message-ID: <87zmud444h.fsf@peder.flower> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: native LilyPond port for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 06:35:14 -0000 Bertalan Fodor writes: > I asked because I run lilypond from jEdit, and I want the result to be > in the same directory as the source. Ok, that makes sense. Maybe we should have a lilypond.bat and a lilypond-desktop.bat or something. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 30 10:47:27 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DclY6-0006xL-8s for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 10:47:26 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DclY1-0006ut-PB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 10:47:22 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DclXz-0006tX-He for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 10:47:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DclXy-0006rl-U4 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 10:47:18 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.31] (helo=smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DclT3-0001pd-32 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 10:42:13 -0400 Received: from peder.flower (appel.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.178]) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4UEeaXM033742 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 16:40:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janneke@gnu.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DclRS-0006e5-1I; Mon, 30 May 2005 16:40:34 +0200 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: Jan at Appel Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 16:40:33 +0200 Message-ID: <873bs4u68u.fsf@peder.flower> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: LilyPond 2.5.26+ for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 14:47:23 -0000 The installer has been updated http://lilypond.org/mingw/setup.exe an upgrader has been added http://lilypond.org/mingw/upgrade.exe and lots of bugs have been fixed. Chinese fonts may still not work, but should not prevent printing of the music. Please test. Jan. CHANGES * new: upgrade.exe * update to lilypond-2.5.26+: fixes font-name (#f) * lilypad: point and click now also works with lines, columns >= 10 * better package splitting: smaller binary install size * use lzma compression: smaller binary install size * use friendly lily-green iso agressive red background * use Finish iso Close for [close button text] * fix ly icon registry setting, add ly icon * fix context menu, generate PDF option -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 30 12:37:47 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DcnGt-0001iH-64 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 12:37:47 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcnGs-0001i0-6b for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 12:37:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcnGr-0001ha-P1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 12:37:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcnAm-0008Qf-8K for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 12:31:28 -0400 Received: from [212.238.157.192] (helo=chords.stompbox.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Dcmv2-0004Hy-0H for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 12:15:12 -0400 Received: from [172.30.1.1] (solve-i-t.demon.nl [212.238.157.192]) (authenticated bits=0) by chords.stompbox.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4UGDU8U003657 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 18:13:31 +0200 Message-ID: <429B3BAB.9090000@lists.stompbox.nl> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 18:13:31 +0200 From: Patrick Hubers User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org References: <4299C3C8.1040002@freemail.hu> <87br6tzoyy.fsf@peder.flower> In-Reply-To: <87br6tzoyy.fsf@peder.flower> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Windows native and jEdit X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 16:37:46 -0000 Jan Nieuwenhuizen schreef: >... > The lilypond-invoke-editor script parses the textedit url and creates > a command line, something like > > editor +LINE:COLUMN FILE > > It (or actuall scm/editor.scm) constructs command lines for different > editors to place the cursor at the right position. Since I use UltraEdit I patched "editor.scm" to construct a command line for it using ("uedit32" . "uedit32 %(file)s -l%(line)s -c%(column)s") Maybe this could be added to the distribution? If you prefer I could provide a proper patch, although this might be just as easy... -- Patrick Hubers From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 30 14:32:55 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcp4I-0000Dy-EZ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 14:32:54 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcp45-00007Y-S3 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 14:32:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcp41-0008WL-Ck for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 14:32:37 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcp40-0008N1-RN for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 14:32:36 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.25] (helo=smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DcovZ-0005Ky-QU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 14:23:54 -0400 Received: from peder.flower (appel.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.178]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4UIMF6u041504; Mon, 30 May 2005 20:22:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janneke@gnu.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=peder.flower) by peder.flower with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcoty-0004lH-KA; Mon, 30 May 2005 20:22:14 +0200 To: Patrick Hubers References: <4299C3C8.1040002@freemail.hu> <87br6tzoyy.fsf@peder.flower> <429B3BAB.9090000@lists.stompbox.nl> From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Organization: Jan at Appel Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 20:22:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <429B3BAB.9090000@lists.stompbox.nl> (Patrick Hubers's message of "Mon, 30 May 2005 18:13:31 +0200") Message-ID: <87oeasshex.fsf@peder.flower> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Windows native and jEdit X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 18:32:46 -0000 Patrick Hubers writes: > Since I use UltraEdit I patched "editor.scm" to construct a command > line for it using > > ("uedit32" . "uedit32 %(file)s -l%(line)s -c%(column)s") > > Maybe this could be added to the distribution? Thanks, added. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 30 18:24:00 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcsfu-0000Xu-SF for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 18:23:59 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcsfq-0000VV-UC for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 18:23:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcsfo-0000UN-By for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 18:23:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcsfn-0000Ts-Uu for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 18:23:52 -0400 Received: from [195.70.32.130] (helo=mail.interware.hu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dcsex-0003SX-3A for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 18:22:59 -0400 Received: from caracas-0899.adsl.interware.hu ([213.178.103.131]) by mail.interware.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1DcsdJ-0007H9-8V for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 00:21:17 +0200 Message-ID: <429B91D3.2050402@freemail.hu> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 00:21:07 +0200 From: Bertalan Fodor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: hu-hu, hu, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Default font in 2.5.26 on Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 22:23:56 -0000 In font.scm there is: (add-pango-fonts n 'roman "Century Schoolbook L" factor) (add-pango-fonts n 'sans "Luxi Sans" factor) But on Windows these fonts are not present. So Pango goes back to some default: Bitstream Vera Sans for both. That's not optimal. If I change font.scm to: (add-pango-fonts n 'roman "serif" factor) (add-pango-fonts n 'sans "sans-serif" factor) it will use pango's preferences for fonts. A user question: how to change globally the meaning of the family setting? Bert From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 30 18:24:14 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DcsgA-0000eo-9J for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 18:24:14 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcsg7-0000dZ-Or for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 18:24:11 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcsd8-00083m-TI for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 18:21:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcsd7-0007yA-GQ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 18:21:05 -0400 Received: from [195.70.32.130] (helo=mail.interware.hu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DcsHn-0001xs-JI for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 17:59:04 -0400 Received: from caracas-0899.adsl.interware.hu ([213.178.103.131]) by mail.interware.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1DcsG7-0008Qe-Lf for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 23:57:21 +0200 Message-ID: <429B8C36.1010206@freemail.hu> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 23:57:10 +0200 From: Bertalan Fodor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: hu-hu, hu, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040204000001070609090205" Subject: psnup and new ps files X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 22:24:12 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040204000001070609090205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I use A5 papers #(set-default-paper-size "a5") it seems that psnup can not correctly handle 2.5.26 ps files: psnup -2 -pa4 -Pa5 b.ps will create pages that are not centered. In the 2.4.x series it worked well. I've attached a file. Use gs -sPAPERSIZE=a5 -f "nup.ps" to see the original, and use psnup -2 -pa4 -Pa5 nup.ps >nup-n.ps gs -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -f "nup-n.ps" to see the output. Bert --------------040204000001070609090205 Content-Type: application/postscript; name="nup.ps" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="nup.ps" %!PS-Adobe-3.0 %%Creator: LilyPond %%Pages: 1 %%PageOrder: Ascend %%Orientation: Portrait %%DocumentPaperSizes: a5 %%DocumentSuppliedResources: font ArialMT %%DocumentSuppliedResources: font PFAEmmentaler-20 %%DocumentSuppliedResources: font PFAEmmentaler-26 %%DocumentSuppliedResources: font feta-alphabet20 %%EndComments %%BeginFont: ArialMT (C:/WINDOWS/fonts/arial.ttf) (r) file .loadfont %%EndFont %%BeginFont: PFAEmmentaler-20 (C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.26/fonts/type1//PFAemmentaler-20.pfa) (r) file .loadfont %%EndFont %%BeginFont: PFAEmmentaler-26 (C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.26/fonts/type1//PFAemmentaler-26.pfa) (r) file .loadfont %%EndFont %%BeginFont: feta-alphabet20 (C:/Program Files/LilyPond/usr/share/lilypond/2.5.26/fonts/type1/feta-alphabet20.pfa) (r) file .loadfont %%EndFont %%BeginSetup /magfontPFAemmentaler-20mXVo { /PFAEmmentaler-20 findfont 007.0292 output-scale div scalefont } bind def /magfontPFAemmentaler-26mXVo { /PFAEmmentaler-26 findfont 008.8562 output-scale div scalefont } bind def /lily-output-units 2.83464566929134 def %% millimeter /staff-line-thickness 0.1 def /line-width 73.3796574803149 def /paper-size (a5) def /staff-height 4.0 def /output-scale 1.75729901757299 def /page-height 119.50157480315 def /page-width 84.7607598425197 def %%EndSetup %%BeginResource: procset (music-drawing-routines.ps) 1 0 %!PS-Adobe-1.0: music-drawing-routines.ps % % Functions for direct and embedded PostScript %% TODO: use dicts or prefixes to prevent namespace pollution. /pdfmark where {pop} {userdict /pdfmark /cleartomark load put} ifelse % from adobe tech note 5002. /BeginEPSF { %def /b4_Inc_state save def % Save state for cleanup /dict_count countdictstack def % Count objects on dict stack /op_count count 1 sub def % Count objects on operand stack userdict begin % Push userdict on dict stack /showpage { } def % Redefine showpage, { } = null proc 0 setgray 0 setlinecap % Prepare graphics state 1 setlinewidth 0 setlinejoin 10 setmiterlimit [ ] 0 setdash newpath /languagelevel where % If level not equal to 1 then {pop languagelevel % set strokeadjust and 1 ne % overprint to their defaults. {false setstrokeadjust false setoverprint } if } if } bind def /EndEPSF { %def count op_count sub {pop} repeat % Clean up stacks countdictstack dict_count sub {end} repeat b4_Inc_state restore } bind def % llx lly urx ury URI /mark_URI { /command exch def /ury exch def /urx exch def /lly exch def /llx exch def [ /Rect [ llx lly urx ury ] /Border [ 0 0 0 0 ] /Action << /Subtype /URI /URI command >> /Subtype /Link /ANN pdfmark } bind def /set_tex_dimen { cvr def } bind def /euclidean_length { 1 copy mul exch 1 copy mul add sqrt } bind def % FIXME. translate to middle of box. % Nice rectangle with rounded corners /draw_box % breapth width depth height { % currentdict /testing known { %% real thin lines for testing /blot 0.005 def % }{ % /blot blot-diameter def % } ifelse 0 setlinecap blot setlinewidth 1 setlinejoin blot 2 div sub /h exch def blot 2 div sub /d exch def blot 2 div sub /w exch def blot 2 div sub /b exch def b neg d neg moveto b w add 0 rlineto 0 d h add rlineto b w add neg 0 rlineto 0 d h add neg rlineto currentdict /testing known { %% outline only, for testing: stroke }{ closepath gsave stroke grestore fill } ifelse } bind def /draw_round_box % breapth width depth height blot { /blot exch def 0 setlinecap blot setlinewidth 1 setlinejoin blot 2 div sub /h exch def blot 2 div sub /d exch def blot 2 div sub /w exch def blot 2 div sub /b exch def b neg d neg moveto b w add 0 rlineto 0 d h add rlineto b w add neg 0 rlineto 0 d h add neg rlineto currentdict /testing known { %% outline only, for testing: stroke }{ closepath gsave stroke grestore fill } ifelse } bind def % Nice beam with rounded corners 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for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 19:24:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dctar-0001d2-UB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 19:22:50 -0400 Received: from [204.127.198.35] (helo=rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dct8M-0005Td-Ln for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 18:53:22 -0400 Received: from 192.168.1.101 (c-24-10-236-35.hsd1.ut.comcast.net[24.10.236.35]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20050530225140013004kq57e>; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:51:40 +0000 From: Carl Sorensen To: Han-Wen Nienhuys In-Reply-To: <42987660.9050904@xs4all.nl> References: <42987660.9050904@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 16:51:34 -0600 Message-Id: <1117493495.3826.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 (2.0.2-3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Lilypond Development Archives Subject: Re: white-dot / white-text X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 23:24:50 -0000 On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 07:47, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Hi Carl, > > I'm cleaning up the backend, so we can easily get the same functionality > in SVG as in PS. FOr this reason, I want to remove white_dot and > white_text from the routines. Can you change the fretdiagram code to use > ly:stencil-in-color (see CVS) and the circle drawing routine from > producing dots? In order to get this done, I need to be able to build from the CVS, which I haven't done since 2.5.0. I've been having troubles getting lily to build on my Fedora Core 2 box. I've upgraded to Fedora Core 3, and hope to get this finished today. I'll let you know if I can't get a build going. Carl From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 30 21:22:17 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DcvQH-00027h-DN for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 21:20:01 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcvQ7-00020Z-JP for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 21:19:51 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcvPu-0001sm-2j for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 21:19:44 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcvPr-0001j0-R6 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 21:19:35 -0400 Received: from [70.84.207.226] (helo=bidwell.textdrive.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DcvF1-0003yi-Ho for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 21:08:23 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (ip68-229-88-46.ri.ri.cox.net [68.229.88.46]) by bidwell.textdrive.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B13239888 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 01:06:39 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <429BB899.7070009@basilcrow.com> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 21:06:33 -0400 From: Basil Crow User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0+ (Windows/20050513) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Of snippets and petals X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 01:19:54 -0000 I like LilyPond. Even though I'm far from proficient at it, I know a good thing when I see it -- and LilyPond is definitely a Good Thing when it comes to music notation software. I'm a Windows user who's mucked around with Linux and web development/coding who has been using Finale for the past five years. In learning LilyPond, the one hardest thing for me has been the syntax. For me, learning the syntax and constructs of LilyPond's language has been difficult. The documentation is clear in a very "dictionary reference" type of way, but larger questions linger for me. What "context" am I in? Where do I put such-and-such a snippet of code so that it's in the right place and "works"? Through experience I've taught myself how to "read" PHP code, but LilyPond format is even more complex for me. I do intend to put the time in, but the initial frustration when trying to cobble together a few files can be immensely frustrating for someone coming in from a GUI world. I primarily learn through examples. I "picked up" PHP that way, and I've learned enough about Ruby to be able to set up a Rails application with FastCGI, but I'm really not an expert in these things. I find examples, adapt them for my use, and gradually pick it up from there. It seems to me that these types of examples are missing from the LilyPond community. I'm not suggesting that the official documentation needs any big changes: it is very thorough and great. But an easy way for people to share little things that work in a more open exchange would go a long way. Take a look at http://www.textsnippets.com/ from the TextDrive hosting company. It is a place where anyone can post and tag "snippets" of information and add comments to it. This has been the difference between me getting something done and not getting it done in many cases. The ability for newbies to write up what works relatively easily will help others who have the same problem and avoid the barrier of spending a lot of time reading documentation to properly understand the way everything completely works. The other day, I wrote to lilypond-user: "Dumb question: How do you use an open parenthesis in lyrics? I'm using '\lyricmode {' to begin my lyrics." Now, had I read the documentation on entering lyrics, I might have discovered that "Quoted words can also be used in Lyrics mode to specify words that cannot be written with the above rules," but that wasn't immediately obvious. Mats Bengtsson quite kindly answered my question. I realized that I needed a way to keep track of these small things for myself, so I set up http://lilypetals.basilcrow.com/ -- a snippets system using the same code that powers TextSnippets (I called my Snippets install "LilyPetals" just for fun). But the primary purpose of a thing like Snippets is to help other people who need to do something and need to find that same "snippet." I'd love it if LilyPond were to have a similar official "snippets" site that users could be encouraged to post to. Although I just have saved one to my own Snippets install, sites like TextSnippets have grown to 50 snippets in a few days (and become immensely helpful). What do the developers think of something like this? Thanks, Basil From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 30 22:16:15 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DcwIg-00008U-JK for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:16:14 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcwIf-00007T-2F for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:16:13 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DcwIe-000074-92 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:16:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcwHd-0008BG-S0 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:15:09 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd2mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dcw1F-0006eK-OE for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 21:58:13 -0400 Received: from pd5mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.233]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IHC001HT010X210@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 19:55:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd5mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IHC002KC010ZLF0@pd5mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 19:55:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IHC00N2M0101V@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 19:55:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 18:55:47 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <429BB899.7070009@basilcrow.com> To: Basil Crow Message-id: <51b871522672b8dab948b9413f0aa4b6@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <429BB899.7070009@basilcrow.com> Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Of snippets and petals X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 02:16:13 -0000 On 30-May-05, at 6:06 PM, Basil Crow wrote: > I realized that I needed a way to keep track of these small things for > myself, so I set up http://lilypetals.basilcrow.com/ -- a snippets > system using the same code that powers TextSnippets (I called my > Snippets install "LilyPetals" just for fun). But the primary purpose > of a thing like Snippets is to help other people who need to do > something and need to find that same "snippet." I'd love it if > LilyPond were to have a similar official "snippets" site that users > could be encouraged to post to. Although I just have saved one to my > own Snippets install, sites like TextSnippets have grown to 50 > snippets in a few days (and become immensely helpful). What do the > developers think of something like this? Thanks for setting it up! It's great to see new users getting involved to help. As it happens, we have a snippet system already, http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/ but I confess it doesn't seem to be well advertised. I'll add a bunch of links. Cheers, - Graham Percival, LilyPond Documentation Editor From MAILER-DAEMON Mon May 30 22:45:30 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcwl0-0000xG-BM for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:45:30 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcwky-0000wU-HH for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:45:28 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dcwkx-0000w3-Mw for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:45:27 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DcwiK-00006w-2p for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:42:44 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DcwPK-0008Eq-Rd for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:23:07 -0400 Received: from pd3mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr6so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.21]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IHC00IX716BKJA0@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 20:20:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd3mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IHC0067D16B8A00@pd3mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 20:20:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IHC000AS16B4R@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 20:20:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 19:20:34 -0700 From: Graham Percival To: lily-devel Message-id: <0ab588f8c10b334ce80495cb4918fac4@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: custom dynamic mark loses "e" X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 02:45:28 -0000 In 2.4, I had a custom command for "f espr" (thanks Mats!). In recent 2.5, the "e" is lost from "espr". Is this due to scheme changing (ie it tries to look for dynamic fonts for the "e" and can't find any, so it doesn't print anything), or some other issue, or...? Cheers, - Graham \version "2.4.0" #(def-markup-command (text paper props arg) (markup?) "Use ordinary text font." (interpret-markup paper (prepend-alist-chain 'font-encoding 'ec props) arg)) fespr = #(make-dynamic-script (markup #:dynamic "f" #:text #:italic "espr" ) ) { c4\fespr } From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 01:23:19 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DczDi-0007WD-VQ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 01:23:19 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DczDd-0007TP-VE for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 01:23:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DczDa-0007R0-0o for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 01:23:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DczDZ-0007QH-Nj for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 01:23:09 -0400 Received: from [213.163.128.201] (helo=lotus.glocalnet.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DczBg-0008Md-7B for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 01:21:12 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (84.217.113.101) by lotus.glocalnet.net (7.2.033.1) (authenticated as matsb@glocalnet.net) id 428C5CAD0043E717; Tue, 31 May 2005 07:18:23 +0200 Message-ID: <429BF3A0.2080801@s3.kth.se> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:18:24 +0200 From: Mats Bengtsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graham Percival References: <0ab588f8c10b334ce80495cb4918fac4@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <0ab588f8c10b334ce80495cb4918fac4@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: custom dynamic mark loses "e" X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 05:23:15 -0000 Graham Percival wrote: > In 2.4, I had a custom command for "f espr" (thanks Mats!). In recent > 2.5, the "e" is lost from "espr". Is this due to scheme changing (ie it > tries to look for dynamic fonts for the "e" and can't find any, so it > doesn't > print anything), or some other issue, or...? > > Cheers, > - Graham > > \version "2.4.0" > #(def-markup-command (text paper props arg) (markup?) > "Use ordinary text font." > (interpret-markup > paper (prepend-alist-chain 'font-encoding 'ec props) arg)) I guess this line isn't relevant in 2.5. Try to set the font-encoding to 'roman instead of 'ec (I don't have a 2.5 installation available here, so I can't test it). I still think that it would be a good idea to have a \normaltext markup command (and the implementation provided here is clearly not the best solution of such a markup command). /Mats > > fespr = #(make-dynamic-script (markup #:dynamic "f" #:text #:italic > "espr" ) ) > > { > c4\fespr > } > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-devel mailing list > lilypond-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel -- ============================================= Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe ============================================= From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 05:44:52 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd3Ip-0005s6-1a for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 05:44:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd3Ih-0005m7-Ab for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 05:44:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd3IX-0005gy-7M for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 05:44:33 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd3IV-0005bH-Jj for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 05:44:31 -0400 Received: from [17.250.248.70] (helo=smtpout.mac.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dd3ER-00025v-Mf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 05:40:19 -0400 Received: from mac.com (smtpin01-en2 [10.13.10.146]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout13/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j4V9cUOt029091 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 02:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.202] (c-24-7-119-74.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.7.119.74]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin01/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j4V9cTr2012167 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 02:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) To: lilypond-devel Message-Id: <167C5C23-357D-4ECD-9241-3C417757A262@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--361328598 From: Matthias Neeracher Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 02:38:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Subject: MacOS X standalone lilypond app revisited X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:44:46 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1--361328598 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I used the extended weekend for some Cocoa hacking and came up with the following prototype: http://homepage.mac.com/neeracher/LilypondApp_30May05.tgz This is an application that combines the functionality of Lilypond.app, ClickEdit.app, and Preview.app in one application. By default, it will just run lilypond out of your fink installation, but it can also be run as a fully bundled standalone if you copy {bin,etc,lib,share} from the official Lilypond.app into this app and drop in the following slightly modified script into Contents/Resources : --Apple-Mail-1--361328598 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/octet-stream; x-unix-mode=0644; name="script" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=script #!/usr/bin/python import glob import os import sys import string import re is_gui = not sys.stdin.isatty () invocation = sys.argv[0] appdir_dir = sys.argv[1] contents_dir = appdir_dir + '/Contents' resources_dir = contents_dir +"/Resources" prefix = resources_dir lib_dir = prefix +"/lib" bin_dir = prefix +"/bin" debug = 0 def set_env (): p = '' try: p = os.environ['DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH'] except KeyError: pass os.environ['DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH'] = lib_dir + ':' + p os.environ['PATH'] = bin_dir + ':' + os.environ['PATH'] os.environ['GUILE_LOAD_PATH'] = prefix + '/share/guile/1.6' os.environ['LILYPONDPREFIX'] = prefix + '/share/lilypond/2.5.26' os.environ['FONTCONFIG_FILE'] = prefix + '/etc/fonts/fonts.conf' os.environ['GS_LIB'] = prefix + '/share/ghostscript/8.15/lib/' def quote_quotes (str): return re.sub ('"', '\\"', str) def set_pango_paths (): pango_modules_file = prefix + '/etc/pango/pango.modules' pangorc = ('''[Pango]\nModuleFiles = "%s"\nModulesPath = "%s/lib/pango/1.4.0/modules"\n''' % (quote_quotes (pango_modules_file), quote_quotes (prefix))) pangorc_file = prefix + '/etc/pango/pangorc' os.environ['PANGO_RC_FILE'] = pangorc_file if debug: print 'writing ', pangorc_file open (pangorc_file, 'w'). write(pangorc) pango_conf = open (pango_modules_file + '.in').read () pango_conf = re.sub ('//', '/', pango_conf) ls = string.split (pango_conf, '\n') pango_conf = '' for l in ls: l = re.sub (r'^[^#].*build\.app(.*\.so)', r'"%s\1"' % appdir_dir, l) pango_conf += l + '\n' if debug: print 'writing ', pango_modules_file open (pango_modules_file, 'w').write (pango_conf) def print_relevant_environment (): print '\nENVIRONMENT:\n' for a in ['DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH', 'PATH', 'GUILE_LOAD_PATH', 'FONTCONFIG_FILE', 'LILYPONDPREFIX', 'PANGO_RC_FILE', 'GS_LIB', ]: try: print 'export %s=%s' % (a, os.environ [a]) except KeyError: pass def run_lily (): binary = bin_dir + '/lilypond' args = [binary, # '--verbose' ] + sys.argv[2:] os.spawnv (os.P_WAIT, binary, args) set_env () set_pango_paths() if debug: print_relevant_environment () basenames = map (lambda x: os.path.splitext (os.path.basename (x))[0], sys.argv[2:]) run_lily () --Apple-Mail-1--361328598 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Let me know whether you think this is an approach worth pursuing further Matthias --Apple-Mail-1--361328598-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 07:59:03 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd5Of-0000th-3h for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 07:59:01 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd5OR-0000rC-Ns for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 07:58:49 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd5OM-0000pM-O4 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 07:58:43 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd5OM-0000l6-J5 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 07:58:42 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.27] (helo=smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dd5KB-0003No-4v for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 07:54:23 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4VBqXBf096049 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 13:52:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <429C508C.6050604@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 13:54:52 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.3 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: Re: lilypond ./ChangeLog Documentation/index.html.in X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:58:53 -0000 Hi, Graham Percival wrote: > --- lilypond/ChangeLog:1.3685 Mon May 30 23:38:45 2005 > +++ lilypond/ChangeLog Tue May 31 02:06:04 2005 > @@ -1,3 +1,7 @@ > +2005-05-31 Graham Percival > + > + * Documentation/index.html.in: add link to LSR. > + > 2005-05-31 Han-Wen Nienhuys please move this to the newweb module. The docs are supposed to be self-contained. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 07:59:10 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd5On-0000vZ-8K for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 07:59:09 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd5OY-0000sq-BU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 07:58:54 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd5OP-0000pz-Ko for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 07:58:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd5ON-0000l6-EO for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 07:58:43 -0400 Received: from [213.228.0.44] (helo=postfix3-1.free.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dd5Nh-0003eu-5j for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 07:58:02 -0400 Received: from lns-vlq-37-lyo-82-253-99-200.adsl.proxad.net (lns-vlq-37-lyo-82-253-99-200.adsl.proxad.net [82.253.99.200]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CFA1734EB for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 13:56:08 +0200 (CEST) From: John Mandereau To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-dhWUtXXDrPoSm7zd15xI" Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 13:56:17 +0200 Message-Id: <1117540577.4370.6.camel@lns-vlq-37-lyo-82-253-99-200.adsl.proxad.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-4) Subject: po/fr.po update ; skeleton maker X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:58:56 -0000 --=-dhWUtXXDrPoSm7zd15xI Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I updated French translation file. I'm also writing a skeleton maker in Python : it asks for header info, paper options, staves and pieces lists and then generates input files. According to my short experience, making both full score and separate parts requires splitting the input in many files and using a makefile : that's why I think a script should help with this boring job. I'll send it when it is advanced and stable enough. 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lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 08:21:30 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd5kE-0007bH-4y for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 08:21:18 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.25] (helo=smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dd5hG-0004oS-HS for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 08:18:14 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4VCGK4n008981; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:16:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <429C561D.5060700@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:18:37 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.3 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Mandereau References: <1117540577.4370.6.camel@lns-vlq-37-lyo-82-253-99-200.adsl.proxad.net> In-Reply-To: <1117540577.4370.6.camel@lns-vlq-37-lyo-82-253-99-200.adsl.proxad.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: po/fr.po update ; skeleton maker X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:21:58 -0000 John Mandereau wrote: > I updated French translation file. > thanks, applied. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 08:23:23 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd5ll-0000Cf-UG for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 08:22:54 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd5lA-0008Gt-CK for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 08:22:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd5ku-00084r-8o for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 08:22:00 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd5ke-0007bH-Ny for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 08:21:45 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.24] (helo=smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dd5Tm-0003zi-1Z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 08:04:18 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4VC2SNT030221; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:02:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <429C52DF.7020307@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:04:47 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.3 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Neeracher References: <167C5C23-357D-4ECD-9241-3C417757A262@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <167C5C23-357D-4ECD-9241-3C417757A262@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel Subject: Re: MacOS X standalone lilypond app revisited X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:22:50 -0000 Matthias Neeracher wrote: > I used the extended weekend for some Cocoa hacking and came up with the > following prototype: > > http://homepage.mac.com/neeracher/LilypondApp_30May05.tgz > > This is an application that combines the functionality of Lilypond.app, > ClickEdit.app, and Preview.app in one application. By default, it will > just run lilypond out of your fink installation, but it can also be run > as a fully bundled standalone if you copy {bin,etc,lib,share} from the > official Lilypond.app into this app and drop in the following slightly > modified script into Contents/Resources : > > > Let me know whether you think this is an approach worth pursuing further > I think it is, but I'd like to try it first. Unfortunately, it doesn't run on my machine (10.3). I don't have a Quartz.framework (I do have QuartzCore.framework) are the sources for LilyPond.app available? BTW, Are you familiar with Frameworks? Would it be possible to put all dependencies of our LilyPond.app (ie. pango, gs, etc.) in a separate Framework bundle? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 10:51:18 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd85M-0006jK-OR for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 10:51:16 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd85J-0006gq-Bo for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 10:51:13 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd85H-0006gF-PR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 10:51:11 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd85H-0006gB-Kp for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 10:51:11 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.31] (helo=smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dd7zI-0008CE-AF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 10:45:00 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4VEh9lQ064289; Tue, 31 May 2005 16:43:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <429C7888.9080607@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 16:45:28 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.3 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Neeracher References: <167C5C23-357D-4ECD-9241-3C417757A262@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <167C5C23-357D-4ECD-9241-3C417757A262@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel Subject: Re: MacOS X standalone lilypond app revisited X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:51:14 -0000 Matthias Neeracher wrote: > I used the extended weekend for some Cocoa hacking and came up with the > following prototype: > > http://homepage.mac.com/neeracher/LilypondApp_30May05.tgz > > This is an application that combines the functionality of Lilypond.app, > ClickEdit.app, and Preview.app in one application. By default, it will > just run lilypond out of your fink installation, but it can also be run > as a fully bundled standalone if you copy {bin,etc,lib,share} from the > official Lilypond.app into this app and drop in the following slightly > modified script into Contents/Resources : BTW, nice picture. Did you know if there are copyright issues with using it as a logo? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 11:37:42 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd8m6-0004AX-Fi for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:35:27 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd8lm-00045Y-C8 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:35:07 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd8lb-0003z3-Ld for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:35:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd8la-0003ps-7a for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:34:54 -0400 Received: from [62.251.70.160] (helo=hns1.grootaers-nl.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Dd8bW-0002gA-LH for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:24:31 -0400 Received: from mandrake01.grootaers-nl.com (herman1 [192.168.26.100]) by hns1.grootaers-nl.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j4VFMaiu014810 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 17:22:37 +0200 From: Herman Grootaers To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:22:44 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505311722.45136.herman@grootaers-nl.com> Subject: Modificaion of the Paper-block X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 15:35:08 -0000 Gentlemen, While I was studying the manual I got to te setting of the papersize. Can the paper size not better set in the following way: %%% \paper { \size = \a4 \topMargin = 1 \cm \leftMargin = 1.5 \cm \rihgtMargin = 1 \cm \bottomMargin = 1 \cm .... } %%% This in my opinion more consistent with the way Lilypond works. Can you also include in the documentation what Lilypond uses for a default when not using an explicitly given value for each of those parameters. Thanks in advance, Herman Grootaers From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 12:43:11 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd9pf-00068G-MM for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 12:43:11 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd9pd-00067V-Q1 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 12:43:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd9pc-00066p-Qf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 12:43:09 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dd9pc-00065U-6w for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 12:43:08 -0400 Received: from [17.250.248.88] (helo=smtpout.mac.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dd9mN-0000G1-N2 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 12:39:48 -0400 Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout01/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j4VGbtnl008645; Tue, 31 May 2005 09:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.202] (c-24-7-119-74.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.7.119.74]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin07/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j4VGbs2g009636; Tue, 31 May 2005 09:37:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <429C52DF.7020307@xs4all.nl> References: <167C5C23-357D-4ECD-9241-3C417757A262@mac.com> <429C52DF.7020307@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--336164708 Message-Id: From: Matthias Neeracher Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:37:52 -0700 To: Han-Wen Nienhuys X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Cc: lilypond-devel Subject: Re: MacOS X standalone lilypond app revisited X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 16:43:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1--336164708 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On May 31, 2005, at 5:04 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Unfortunately, it doesn't run on my machine (10.3). I don't have a > Quartz.framework (I do have QuartzCore.framework) Oops, I forgot to mention: SInce the program depends on PDFKit, it's 10.4 only (it might be possible to use older techniques on earlier systems, though). > are the sources for LilyPond.app available? I plan to make them available (preferably under the BSD license, because I'd like the code to be available for commercial developers to borrow; apart from the python script, I did not use any GPL code to write this). > BTW, Are you familiar with Frameworks? Would it be possible to put > all dependencies of our LilyPond.app (ie. pango, gs, etc.) in a > separate Framework bundle? Sure, but custom bundles rarely solve any problem worth solving. > BTW, nice picture. Glad you liked it. I tried using the picture on the lilypond home page, but it didn't work well as an icon. > Did you know if there are copyright issues with using it as a logo? Actually, I grabbed the picture off the internet and did not clear the use with the author yet. The picture is, as far as I can tell, shot by an amateur photographer: http://www.stumptuous.com/gallery/view_photo.php? set_albumName=vancouver&id=water_lily He might be willing to allow us to use the picture. Alternatives should not be terribly hard to find, I just grabbed this picture with a google search for "Water Lily", and there are lots of other pictures that look quite similar. I'd be happy to approach the photographer to see whether he'd be willing to allow use of the picture in exchange for a name credit if you'd like me to. Matthias --Apple-Mail-1--336164708 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On May 31, 2005, = at 5:04 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:

Unfortunately, it doesn't run on my machine (10.3). = I don't have a Quartz.framework (I do have = QuartzCore.framework)

Oops, I forgot to mention: SInce = the program depends on PDFKit, it's 10.4 only (it might be possible to = use older techniques on earlier systems, = though).

are the = sources for LilyPond.app available?

I plan to make them available = (preferably under the BSD license, because I'd like the code to be = available for commercial developers to borrow; apart from the python = script, I did not use any GPL code to write = this).

BTW, Are = you familiar with Frameworks? Would it be possible to put all = dependencies of our LilyPond.app (ie. pango, gs, etc.) in a separate = Framework bundle?

Sure, but custom = bundles rarely solve any problem worth solving.

BTW, nice = picture.

Glad you liked it. I tried using = the picture on the lilypond home page, but it didn't work well as an = icon.

Did you know if there are copyright issues with = using it as a logo?


He might be willing to = allow us to use the picture. Alternatives should not be terribly hard to = find, I just grabbed this picture with a google search for "Water Lily", = and there are lots of other pictures that look quite = similar.

I'd = be happy to approach the photographer to see whether he'd be willing to = allow use of the picture in exchange for a name credit if you'd like me = to.

Matthias
=A0=A0= --Apple-Mail-1--336164708-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 13:14:24 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DdAJr-0006iQ-G0 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 13:14:23 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdAJo-0006gB-9Z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 13:14:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdAJm-0006fQ-T6 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 13:14:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DdAJm-0006el-Iv for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 13:14:18 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.33] (helo=smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DdAI5-0003gB-8v for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 13:12:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4VHAdaU032467; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:10:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <429C9B19.1020003@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:12:57 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.3 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Neeracher References: <167C5C23-357D-4ECD-9241-3C417757A262@mac.com> <429C52DF.7020307@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel Subject: Re: MacOS X standalone lilypond app revisited X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:14:22 -0000 Matthias Neeracher wrote: >> are the sources for LilyPond.app available? > > > I plan to make them available (preferably under the BSD license, because > I'd like the code to be available for commercial developers to borrow; > apart from the python script, I did not use any GPL code to write this). OK. I didn't see any scripts, so I guess it's objective-c, isn't it? >> BTW, Are you familiar with Frameworks? Would it be possible to put all >> dependencies of our LilyPond.app (ie. pango, gs, etc.) in a separate >> Framework bundle? > > > Sure, but custom bundles rarely solve any problem worth solving. The problem is that the 12 mb zip file generates a hefty amount of traffic; it would nice to package LilyPond (which has a new version every week) separately from the rest (which doesn't change all that much). Another option would be building an installer. BTW, how you know how I create a dmg from the command line? > Glad you liked it. I tried using the picture on the lilypond home page, > but it didn't work well as an icon. > >> Did you know if there are copyright issues with using it as a logo? > > > Actually, I grabbed the picture off the internet and did not clear the > use with the author yet. The picture is, as far as I can tell, shot by > an amateur photographer: > > http://www.stumptuous.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=vancouver&id=water_lily > > > He might be willing to allow us to use the picture. Alternatives should > not be terribly hard to find, I just grabbed this picture with a google > search for "Water Lily", and there are lots of other pictures that look > quite similar. > > I'd be happy to approach the photographer to see whether he'd be willing > to allow use of the picture in exchange for a name credit if you'd like > me to. that would be great. I think the water should be removed, making the lily float directly over the desktop. The green and blue are too low contrast IMO. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 14:48:13 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DdBme-0005cd-VJ for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:48:13 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdBmV-0005ZH-QJ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:48:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdBmO-0005Vt-FB for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:47:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DdBmN-0005Sj-Pa for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:47:55 -0400 Received: from [17.250.248.45] (helo=smtpout.mac.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DdBcB-0001vb-0C for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:37:23 -0400 Received: from mac.com (smtpin02-en2 [10.13.10.147]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout11/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j4VIZUHY012381; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.202.20.71] (a17-202-20-71.apple.com [17.202.20.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin02/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j4VIZSho019463; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:35:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <429C9B19.1020003@xs4all.nl> References: <167C5C23-357D-4ECD-9241-3C417757A262@mac.com> <429C52DF.7020307@xs4all.nl> <429C9B19.1020003@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11--329110361 Message-Id: <1C2E8ECE-A162-421A-BEEC-17A6791F91CE@mac.com> From: Matthias Neeracher Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:35:26 -0700 To: Han-Wen Nienhuys X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: MacOS X standalone lilypond app revisited X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:48:07 -0000 --Apple-Mail-11--329110361 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On May 31, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Matthias Neeracher wrote: > >>> are the sources for LilyPond.app available? >>> >> I plan to make them available (preferably under the BSD license, >> because I'd like the code to be available for commercial >> developers to borrow; apart from the python script, I did not use >> any GPL code to write this). > > OK. I didn't see any scripts, The script I'm referring to here is "script", the Python wrapper you wrote to set up the environment for the "embedded" Lilypond launch. There is also finkScript, which is a trivial shell script. > so I guess it's objective-c, isn't it? Yes it is. >>> BTW, Are you familiar with Frameworks? Would it be possible to >>> put all dependencies of our LilyPond.app (ie. pango, gs, etc.) in >>> a separate Framework bundle? >>> >> Sure, but custom bundles rarely solve any problem worth solving. > > The problem is that the 12 mb zip file generates a hefty amount of > traffic; it would nice to package LilyPond (which has a new version > every week) separately from the rest (which doesn't change all that > much). Another option would be building an installer. Given that the various parts are fairly orthogonal, an installer might work best. > BTW, how you know how I create a dmg from the command line? That would be "hdiutil". >> I'd be happy to approach the photographer to see whether he'd be >> willing to allow use of the picture in exchange for a name credit >> if you'd like me to. > > that would be great. I think the water should be removed, making > the lily float directly over the desktop. The green and blue are > too low contrast IMO. Yes, artwork is not my forte, and I'd be happy to let other people take a shot at redesigning the icons. I did, however, start out with a free floating lily and found that it did not work well, especially in the dock, because a white lily does not provide enough contrast. Matthias --Apple-Mail-11--329110361 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On May 31, 2005, = at 10:12 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:

Matthias Neeracher wrote:

are the = sources for LilyPond.app available?

I plan to make them available (preferably under the = BSD license, because I'd like the code to be available for commercial = developers to borrow; apart from the python script, I did not use any = GPL code to write this).

OK. I didn't = see any scripts,

The script I'm referring to here = is "script", the Python wrapper you wrote to set up the environment for = the "embedded" Lilypond launch.

There is also finkScript, = which is a trivial shell script.

so I guess it's objective-c, = isn't it?

Yes it = is.

BTW, Are you = familiar with Frameworks? Would it be possible to put all dependencies = of our LilyPond.app (ie. pango, gs, etc.) in a separate Framework = bundle?

Sure, but = custom bundles rarely solve any problem worth = solving.
The problem is that the 12 mb = zip file generates a hefty amount of traffic; it would nice to package = LilyPond (which has a new version every week) separately from the rest = (which doesn't change all that much). Another option would be building = an installer.

Given that the various parts are = fairly orthogonal, an installer might work = best.

BTW, how = you know how I create a dmg from the command line?

That would be = "hdiutil".

I'd be happy = to approach the photographer to see whether he'd be willing to allow use = of the picture in exchange for a name credit if you'd like me = to.

that would be great. I think the water should be = removed, making the lily float directly over the desktop. The green and = blue are too low contrast IMO.

Yes, artwork is not my forte, and I'd be happy to let other = people take a shot at redesigning the icons. I did, however, start out = with a free floating lily and found that it did not work well, = especially in the dock, because a white lily does not provide enough = contrast.=A0

Matthias
= --Apple-Mail-11--329110361-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 14:55:40 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DdBtr-0001Kp-Nc for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:55:39 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdBto-0001JT-Kf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:55:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdBtm-0001H1-0k for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:55:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DdBtl-0001EK-G2 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:55:33 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.29] (helo=smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DdBr1-00031U-Rb for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:52:44 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4VIoodd035150; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:50:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <429CB294.10205@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 20:53:08 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.3 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Neeracher References: <167C5C23-357D-4ECD-9241-3C417757A262@mac.com> <429C52DF.7020307@xs4all.nl> <429C9B19.1020003@xs4all.nl> <1C2E8ECE-A162-421A-BEEC-17A6791F91CE@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <1C2E8ECE-A162-421A-BEEC-17A6791F91CE@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: MacOS X standalone lilypond app revisited X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:55:37 -0000 Matthias Neeracher wrote: > Yes, artwork is not my forte, and I'd be happy to let other people take > a shot at redesigning the icons. I did, however, start out with a free > floating lily and found that it did not work well, especially in the > dock, because a white lily does not provide enough contrast. Well, I wanted to keep the leaves, just remove the water. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 15:26:46 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DdCNy-00053L-Rv for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 15:26:46 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdCNw-00052O-JH for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 15:26:44 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdCNu-00051Y-JA for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 15:26:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DdCNu-000516-Ev for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 15:26:42 -0400 Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DdCL9-0005m0-Qf for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 15:23:51 -0400 Received: from pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.212]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IHD00N18CFD2920@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 13:21:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.7]) by pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IHD00C3ACFDHJ30@pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 13:21:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (S0106006067227a4a.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.209.6]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IHD00K0HCFDAI@l-daemon> for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 13:21:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:21:12 -0700 From: Graham Percival In-reply-to: <429C508C.6050604@xs4all.nl> To: lily-devel Message-id: <2e899c192b7440aa6518d4a05889b2fe@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <429C508C.6050604@xs4all.nl> Subject: LSR status? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:26:45 -0000 On 31-May-05, at 4:54 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: >> +2005-05-31 Graham Percival >> + >> + * Documentation/index.html.in: add link to LSR. >> + > > please move this to the newweb module. The docs are supposed to be > self-contained. It's already in newweb, so I'll just remove it from here. IIRC, there was the possibility of including a snapshot of LSR with LilyPond. Or at least including the snapshots of LSR that didn't come from the manual. Is that still in the works? - Graham From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 15:39:34 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DdCaM-0000YX-HO for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 15:39:34 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdCa9-0000XD-0a for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 15:39:21 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdCa5-0000WV-Cz for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 15:39:17 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DdCa5-0000VS-20 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 15:39:17 -0400 Received: from [213.140.2.50] (helo=ms005msg.fastwebnet.it) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DdCWD-0006ZV-G6 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 15:35:17 -0400 Received: from urfida.trippa.org (1.93.116.97) by ms005msg.fastwebnet.it (7.2.052.3) (authenticated as sebastiano.vigna) id 425D38BB00BB76D7; Tue, 31 May 2005 21:31:16 +0200 From: Sebastiano Vigna To: Graham Percival In-Reply-To: <2e899c192b7440aa6518d4a05889b2fe@shaw.ca> References: <429C508C.6050604@xs4all.nl> <2e899c192b7440aa6518d4a05889b2fe@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 21:31:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1117567875.7045.0.camel@urfida.trippa.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lily-devel Subject: Re: LSR status? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:39:24 -0000 On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 12:21 -0700, Graham Percival wrote: > IIRC, there was the possibility of including a snapshot of LSR with > LilyPond. Or at least including the snapshots of LSR that didn't > come from the manual. > > Is that still in the works? There are file-based snapshots of the snippets, and a dump of the database created nightly. Probably at this point (~100 snippets) we can wait for that. -- Ciao, seba From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 15:58:17 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DdCsR-0005fu-4q for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 15:58:15 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdCsM-0005d9-8N for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 15:58:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdCsH-0005aT-L9 for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 15:58:06 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DdCsH-0005Zf-8H for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 15:58:05 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.23] (helo=smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DdCqG-0008D0-RT for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 15:56:01 -0400 Received: from [192.168.123.107] (muurbloem.xs4all.nl [213.84.26.127]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4VJs6Jp064884; Tue, 31 May 2005 21:54:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hanwen@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <429CC169.9090609@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 21:56:25 +0200 From: Han-Wen Nienhuys User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.3 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastiano Vigna References: <429C508C.6050604@xs4all.nl> <2e899c192b7440aa6518d4a05889b2fe@shaw.ca> <1117567875.7045.0.camel@urfida.trippa.org> In-Reply-To: <1117567875.7045.0.camel@urfida.trippa.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Graham Percival , lily-devel Subject: Re: LSR status? X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:58:11 -0000 Sebastiano Vigna wrote: > On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 12:21 -0700, Graham Percival wrote: > > >>IIRC, there was the possibility of including a snapshot of LSR with >>LilyPond. Or at least including the snapshots of LSR that didn't >>come from the manual. >> >>Is that still in the works? > > There are file-based snapshots of the snippets, and a dump of the > database created nightly. Probably at this point (~100 snippets) we can > wait for that. Ok; are there still stability issues with LSR (and the server)? Is it already branched across 2.5 2.4 etc. ? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 17:04:41 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DdDui-0002EX-TC for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 17:04:40 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdBmL-0005UK-RR for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:47:54 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdBmJ-0005St-8Z for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:47:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DdBmJ-0005Sj-4N for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:47:51 -0400 Received: from [193.252.22.24] (helo=smtp7.wanadoo.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DdBl8-0002R4-Kj for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:46:38 -0400 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0703.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 83D831000049 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:44:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [81.251.225.39] (AMarseille-152-1-7-39.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.251.225.39]) by mwinf0703.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 23ABA100009A; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:44:44 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20050531184444146.23ABA100009A@mwinf0703.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <429CB0BF.9040800@wanadoo.fr> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 20:45:19 +0200 From: Jean-Charles User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; fr-FR; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:04:39 -0400 Cc: Subject: website translation X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:47:56 -0000 I have downloaded the cvstree of the new website a couple of hours ago. The french po file is allready "francis=E9e" (as a matter of fact, it is=20 the shortest). I thought about the way to deal with all the files and came to the point=20 that you can proceed in different manners: 1- Having the files translated on the fly (standalone brainstorming).=20 Retyping them from the first to last character would enforce enormous=20 maintaining work. Thousands of them for each release. My poor phalanx!..=20 but you may get help by a voice input software. To many corrections=20 afterwords. 2- Using a translation memory tool/application. Might be a not so bad=20 idea. Being a "petit fonctionnaire" does not allow me to spend so much=20 money in a professional software just for my dear Lily, especially as=20 they are proprietary... The only one I found is based on a java script, =20 his name is omegat (http://www.omegat.org/omegat/omegat.html). I have=20 played with it a little and it seems to be ok for me and my needs. As=20 far as I can tell for the moment, it still chockes on openning a couple=20 of files but I am trying to isolate those and let you know. Building a translation team would be of interest, but how to do? Each=20 member get some files to translate and review others' work, or a web=20 based memory to be shared and regularily updated. The latter would be in=20 my opinion more interesting for many reasons (time sharing and saving=20 among others). Just a question to Jan: how did you proceed for Dutch? Sorry if I am disturbing, but I just wanted to contribute. Regards, Jean-Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 19:37:05 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DdGIC-0002Av-NX for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:37:04 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdGI8-00028I-In for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:37:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdGHz-00024M-TU for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:36:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DdGHx-0001z1-UJ for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:36:50 -0400 Received: from [64.233.184.206] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DdG6c-0005Nk-Ad for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:25:06 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so2143895wri for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 16:23:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DaKaAxs7Q+i/G42No8EkwOlabWxNJ7uqkGV6Riy2BYON2VWGzu0D863bejN5UJ2PSoU/D5RmxTQm1Ut8Dr6iZ2PJ/tGURO4t7Vrpb8FuJJ5G3NTBmhLoXYK62z31OMc033nrjfxiATojqYj8bajfzhcl+oPJxccc6IeGIDwKviw= Received: by 10.54.52.61 with SMTP id z61mr3234797wrz; Tue, 31 May 2005 16:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.5.74 with HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2005 16:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 01:23:10 +0200 From: Schneelocke To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen In-Reply-To: <873bs4u68u.fsf@peder.flower> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <873bs4u68u.fsf@peder.flower> Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: LilyPond 2.5.26+ for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Schneelocke List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 23:37:03 -0000 Hi, > and lots of bugs have been fixed. Chinese fonts may still not work, > but should not prevent printing of the music. >=20 > Please test. This works fine so far. The only issue seems to be that the PDF file generated from xiao-haizi-guai-guai.ly is completely empty (which I assume shouldn't be the case considering what you said above). The error I get from ghostscript is slightly different this time: --- CUT HERE --- C:\PROGRA~1\LilyPond\usr\share\doc\LILYPO~1.25-\input>..\..\..\..\bin\gs -d= Compa tibilityLevel#1.4 -sPAPERSIZE#"a4" -q -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE#pdfwrite = -sOut putFile#"xiao-haizi-guai-guai.pdf" -c .setpdfwrite -f "xiao-haizi-guai-guai= .ps" Error: /undefined in ttcf Operand stack: --nostringval-- Execution stack: %interp_exit .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostrin= gval- - 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval--= fa lse 1 %stopped_push 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 = 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostr= ingva l-- --nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- --nostringval= -- --nostringval-- %loop_continue --nostringval-- 1 --nostringval-- = --nos tringval-- false 1 %stopped_push --nostringval-- false 1 %sto= pped_ push --nostringval-- Dictionary stack: --dict:1127/1686(ro)(G)-- --dict:0/20(G)-- --dict:70/200(L)-- --di= ct:70 /200(L)-- Current allocation mode is local Current file position is 5 GPL Ghostscript 8.15: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 --- CUT HERE --- Looking forward to 2.6! :) --=20 schnee From MAILER-DAEMON Tue May 31 22:36:32 2005 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1DdJ5s-0004x8-00 for mharc-lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 22:36:32 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdJ5p-0004um-0O for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 22:36:29 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DdJ5j-0004rF-HF for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 22:36:26 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DdJ5h-0004pi-Mz for lilypond-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 22:36:21 -0400 Received: from [204.127.198.39] (helo=rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DdJ0I-0007ZJ-3a; Tue, 31 May 2005 22:30:46 -0400 Received: from 192.168.1.101 (c-24-10-236-35.hsd1.ut.comcast.net[24.10.236.35]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050601022846015009bsfce>; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 02:28:47 +0000 From: Carl Sorensen To: Schneelocke In-Reply-To: References: <873bs4u68u.fsf@peder.flower> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 20:28:29 -0600 Message-Id: <1117592909.28748.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 (2.0.2-3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Lilypond Development Archives , Jan Nieuwenhuizen Subject: Re: LilyPond 2.5.26+ for Microsoft Windows X-BeenThere: lilypond-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on LilyPond development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 02:36:30 -0000 I've just found what I consider to be a bug with the Windows version. If I drop a .ly file onto the LilyPond icon, the resulting files (*.log, *.pdf) have the correct name, that is, the same as the .ly file. However, when I double click on a .ly file (which I want to do, because it creates the output files in the same directory as the input file, rather than on the desktop), I get Windows 98 style file names. That is, xiao-haizi-guai-guai.ly produces XIAO-H~1.log and XIAO-H~1.pdf. Thanks, Carl Sorensen