From uwe Sun Mar 2 15:45:16 1997 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (anugpo.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.6]) by doors.ptc.spbu.ru (8.7.5/8.7.3/OL.cf-2.3) with ESMTP id PAA17216 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:38:06 +0300 (MSK) Received: from valis.nowhere (slips3.anu.edu.au [150.203.148.203]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA02952 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 23:37:56 +1100 (EST) Received: from valis (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by valis.nowhere (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01667 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 23:40:19 +1100 Message-Id: <199703021240.XAA01667@valis.nowhere> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 05/05/96 To: lout@ptc.spbu.ru Subject: Lout horrendously slow on a 486DX/66 From: j.stokes@bohm.anu.edu.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 23:40:14 +1100 Sender: jstok@valis.nowhere I recently installed lout 3.0.8 and it was *horrendously* slow compiling the beginner's guide, swapping constantly for a couple of hours before I just killed the thing. I was wondering, is this normal behaviour for lout on a single user DX2/66 linux system with just 8 meg of ram? What is the minimum that lout feels comfortable in? Would adding another 8 meg of RAM help? Cheers, -- Jason Stokes: j.stokes@bohm.anu.edu.au Ph: +61 06 291 93 84 "Do you know where friendship ends and passion does begin? It's between the binding of her stocking and her skin.." -- Suzanne Vega - Nine Objects of Desire From uwe Sun Mar 2 17:15:15 1997 Received: from snark.ptc.spbu.ru (snark.ptc.spbu.ru [193.125.193.67]) by doors.ptc.spbu.ru (8.7.5/8.7.3/OL.cf-2.3) with ESMTP id RAA18670 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:06:47 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from uwe@localhost) by snark.ptc.spbu.ru (8.7.5/8.7.3/OL.cf-2.1) id RAA05170; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:06:46 +0300 (MSK) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:06:44 +0300 (MSK) From: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" To: Lout mailing list Subject: Re: Lout horrendously slow on a 486DX/66 In-Reply-To: <199703021240.XAA01667@valis.nowhere> Message-ID: <%HXYGzw5EI@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> X-Mailer: Mana 4.0beta (SunOS) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, you wrote: > I recently installed lout 3.0.8 and it was *horrendously* slow compiling > the beginner's guide, swapping constantly for a couple of hours before I > just killed the thing. I was wondering, is this normal behaviour for lout > on a single user DX2/66 linux system with just 8 meg of ram? What is the > minimum that lout feels comfortable in? Would adding another 8 meg of RAM > help? Take a look at the message Jeff sent to the list two years ago: In particular he writes: jeff> Conclusion: Lout is a memory hog, and there is nothing quick jeff> that I can do to improve the situation. Fortunately, for a smaller documents execution time and memory footprint are usually acceptable. Also, try compiling lout with debugging enabled and run it with `-dma' flag to see what's going on yourself. SY, Uwe -- uwe@ptc.spbu.ru | Zu Grunde kommen http://www.ptc.spbu.ru/~uwe/ | Ist zu Grunde gehen From uwe Fri Mar 7 07:25:32 1997 Received: from online.tmx.com.au (online.tmx.com.au [192.150.129.1]) by doors.ptc.spbu.ru (8.7.5/8.7.3/OL.cf-2.3) with ESMTP id HAA16920 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 07:23:26 +0300 (MSK) Received: (daemon@localhost) by online.tmx.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.5) id PAA04755; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 15:23:09 +1100 (EST) Received: from unknown(192.147.246.102) by online.tmx.com.au via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma004741; Fri Mar 7 15:23:05 1997 Received: from rabbit.bha.oz.au by sparrow.bha.oz.au (8.6.12/4.03) id OAA05115; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:26:44 +1000 Received: from coot.bha.oz.au by rabbit.bha.oz.au (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA75901; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:23:21 +1000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970307142133.006b3d24@rabbit.bha.oz.au> X-Sender: dvm@rabbit.bha.oz.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 14:21:33 +1000 To: lout@ptc.spbu.ru From: David Meibusch Subject: Lout and continuation messages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, We have been using plain TeX for some time to produce nicely formatted machine generated reports from our billing system ( http://www.bha.com.au/cgi-bin/goto?ATLANTA#ATLANTA ). Recently I have been beating my head against some of the limitations of TeX, in particular it's implementation of recent contribution list for the compilation of the current page. Rather than asking if lout can address these issues, perhaps it is better to pose the question; Can lout do this? Table of Colour Usage --------------------- Type Quantity --------------------- Yellow 1034 Orange 45 Green 117 Red 1256 Blue 0 Now, if this table were to be split over two pages (by the typesetter), Table of Colour Usage --------------------- Type Quantity --------------------- Yellow 1034 Orange 45 ...continued Table of Colour Usage (continued) --------------------- Type Quantity --------------------- Green 117 Red 1256 Blue 0 Is it possible to do this in lout? Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------ They also surf who only stand on waves. David Meibusch Systems Engineer dvm@bha.oz.au BHA Computer Pty Ltd 59-69 Shafston Avenue Phone: 61 7 3258 4412 Kangaroo Point Qld 4169 Fax: 61 7 3258 4555 Australia From uwe Fri Mar 7 12:05:31 1997 Received: from pat.uio.no (pat.uio.no [129.240.2.50]) by doors.ptc.spbu.ru (8.7.5/8.7.3/OL.cf-2.3) with SMTP id LAA20076 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:57:57 +0300 (MSK) Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <27994-0@pat.uio.no>; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:57:28 +0100 Received: by tag.uio.no ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:57:27 +0100 (MET) To: lout@ptc.spbu.ru, David Meibusch Subject: Re: Lout and continuation messages References: <5fo7g5$hgg@ifi.uio.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Rolf Marvin B|e Lindgren Date: 07 Mar 1997 09:57:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: David Meibusch's message of 7 Mar 1997 06:01:57 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.17/Emacs 19.34 [David Meibusch] | Recently I have been beating my head against some of the limitations of | TeX, in particular it's implementation of recent contribution list for the | compilation of the current page. LaTeX can do this. why use plain? -- Rolf Lindgren roffe@ask.uio.no From uwe Fri Mar 14 11:47:08 1997 Received: from nenuphar.saclay.cea.fr (nenuphar.saclay.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by doors.ptc.spbu.ru (8.8.5/8.7.3/OL.cf-2.3) with SMTP id LAA03844 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:45:54 +0300 (MSK) Received: from soleil.serma.cea.fr by nenuphar.saclay.cea.fr (8.6.9/ CEANET-ROUTER-3.0) with ESMTP id JAA05072 ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:45:41 +0100 Received: (from basile@localhost) by soleil.serma.cea.fr (8.8.5/8.8.0) id JAA01243; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:47:00 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:47:00 +0100 Message-Id: <199703140847.JAA01243@soleil.serma.cea.fr> From: Basile STARYNKEVITCH MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: lout@ptc.spbu.ru Cc: jeff@cs.usyd.edu.au Subject: two-sided Lout output (for modern PostScript2 printers) It seems that Lout (3.10) does not explicitly support two-sided (ie recto&verso) printing on modern PostScript2 printers (for instance some HP laser printers have a two-side printing option - including hardware to print on the other side of each sheet. Of course, more RAM is required inside the printer) With PostScript level 2 this is coded as %%BeginFeature: *Duplex True << /Duplex true >> setpagedevice %%EndFeature I patched a lout produced postscript file, adding these three lines just after @PrependGraphic file /usr/local/share/lout/include/tab.lpg and it works as expected. N.B. Any opinions expressed here are solely mine, and not of my organization. N.B. Les opinions exprimees ici me sont personnelles et n engagent pas le CEA. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Basile STARYNKEVITCH ---- Commissariat à l Energie Atomique DRN/DMT/SERMA * CEA/Saclay bat.470 * 91191 GIF/YVETTE CEDEX * France fax: (33) 01,69.08.85.68; phone: 01,69.08.40.66; home: 01,46.65.45.53 email: Basile . Starynkevitch @ cea . fr (but remove white space) I speak french, english, russian. Je parle français, anglais, russe. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From uwe Wed Mar 19 19:26:18 1997 Received: from snark.ptc.spbu.ru (snark.ptc.spbu.ru [193.125.193.67]) by doors.ptc.spbu.ru (8.8.5/8.7.3/OL.cf-2.3) with ESMTP id TAA15267 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:24:41 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from uwe@localhost) by snark.ptc.spbu.ru (8.7.5/8.7.3/OL.cf-2.1) id TAA10579; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:24:37 +0300 (MSK) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:17:07 +0300 (MSK) X-Envelope-From: jaap@celje.cca.vu.nl Wed Mar 19 19:16:18 1997 From: "Jaap Kreijkamp" Message-Id: <9703191705.ZM22842@celje.cca.vu.nl> Old-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:05:42 +0100 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: lout-request@ptc.spbu.ru Subject: 'Missing' pages bij oddnumbered chapters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Diagnostic: Already on the subscriber list X-Diagnostic: 176 (null) 32768 X-Envelope-To: lout-request ReSent-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:24:34 +0300 (MSK) ReSent-From: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" ReSent-To: Lout mailing list ReSent-Message-ID: <%CNBMz8UKC@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> ReSent-X-Mailer: Mana 4.0beta (SunOS) Hello, I ran into a (for me) quite serious problem. When I use @BookLayout @ChapterStartPages { Odd } I get completely empty pages inserted before the chapter when the chapter would otherwise come on a even page. I mean completely empty, not even a page number or a @PageLabel number. The wanted behavior is ofcourse a page containing the even header and footer of the previous chapter. How can this be solved?! I use lout version 3.10. Greetings, Jaap Kreijkamp From uwe Wed Mar 19 19:46:19 1997 Received: from celje.cca.vu.nl (celje.cca.vu.nl [130.37.128.52]) by doors.ptc.spbu.ru (8.8.5/8.7.3/OL.cf-2.3) with SMTP id TAA15387 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:37:36 +0300 (MSK) Received: by celje.cca.vu.nl (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for lout@ptc.spbu.ru id RAA23046; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:37:52 +0100 From: "Jaap Kreijkamp" Message-Id: <9703191737.ZM23044@celje.cca.vu.nl> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:37:43 +0100 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: lout@ptc.spbu.ru Subject: 'Missing' pages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello, I have a problem with @BookLayout @ChapterStartPages { Odd }. When I use this option I get completely empty pages without even a pagenumber or @PageLabel when it has to insert a page with no text (but of course with header/footer/pagenumber) to get the new chapter on an odd page. How can I solve this? I'm using Basser Lout Version 3.10. Greetings, Jaap From uwe Thu Mar 20 01:37:46 1997 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (staff.cs.su.OZ.AU [129.78.8.1]) by doors.ptc.spbu.ru (8.8.5/8.7.3/OL.cf-2.3) with SMTP id BAA20917 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:33:47 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199703192233.BAA20917@doors.ptc.spbu.ru> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:31:41 +1000 From: jeff@staff.cs.su.oz.au (Jeff Kingston) Subject: Re: 'Missing' pages bij oddnumbered chapters To: lout@ptc.spbu.ru Reply-To: jeff@cs.su.oz.au There is no neat solution to this problem at the moment. My suggestion for a workaround is to leave it as is until the book is finalized, then insert an @NP at the end of the last section or subsection of the chapter that is to end with a blank page. Jeff From uwe Thu Mar 20 12:06:24 1997 Received: from werple.net.au (melb.werple.net.au [203.9.190.18]) by doors.ptc.spbu.ru (8.8.5/8.7.3/OL.cf-2.3) with SMTP id LAA28138 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:59:40 +0300 (MSK) Received: (qmail 26391 invoked by uid 5); 20 Mar 1997 08:59:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19970320085920.26387.qmail@werple.net.au> Received: (qmail 13528 invoked from network); 20 Mar 1997 08:54:08 -0000 Received: from softdnserror (HELO natasha.ironbark.id.au) (jal@127.0.0.1) by softdnserror with SMTP; 20 Mar 1997 08:54:08 -0000 Reply-to: Jane Anna Langley To: lout list Subject: Report style - want each section to start a new page Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:54:05 +1100 From: Miss Janie Hi, I'm pretty much a beginner with lout, but have used LaTeX for several years... now a bit confused :-) I'm writing a document using the "Report" style, and want to have each section start on a new page, and would like to have the References appear on a new page too. I expect the answer is something simple, but I've fiddled for hours without finding it :-) Best wishes, Janie. -- Jane Anna Langley http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~jal From uwe Thu Mar 20 12:57:49 1997 Received: from snark.ptc.spbu.ru (snark.ptc.spbu.ru [193.125.193.67]) by doors.ptc.spbu.ru (8.8.5/8.7.3/OL.cf-2.3) with ESMTP id MAA29490 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:50:26 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from uwe@localhost) by snark.ptc.spbu.ru (8.7.5/8.7.3/OL.cf-2.1) id MAA18369; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:50:25 +0300 (MSK) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:50:22 +0300 (MSK) From: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" To: Lout mailing list Subject: Re: Report style - want each section to start a new page In-Reply-To: <19970320085920.26387.qmail@werple.net.au> Message-ID: <%BXQMzM1RL@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> X-Mailer: Mana 4.0beta (SunOS) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, Janie wrote: > I'm writing a document using the "Report" style, and want to have > each section start on a new page, and would like to have the > References appear on a new page too. I expect the answer is > something simple, but I've fiddled for hours without finding it It's very simple indeed. * Copy `report' from lout standard include directory to your working directory. Name it, say `setup.lt'. * Replace @SysInclude { report } with @Include { setup } in your document. * In `setup.lt' uncomment (remove leading # sign from) the line with @SectionGap parameter to @ReportLayout. Change the value in curlies to `1.1b'. I.e. the line will now look like @SectionGap { 1.1b } # between sections Here you are. PS: BTW, This is buried in expert guide. The semantic is explained in `Galleys and Targets' and example is given in `Chapters and sections' (just grepped the source, so no pages/section numbers, sorry). SY, Uwe -- uwe@ptc.spbu.ru | Zu Grunde kommen http://www.ptc.spbu.ru/~uwe/ | Ist zu Grunde gehen