From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Nov 06 09:16:17 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gK29R-0002GS-MY for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:16:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46768) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gK29J-0001r4-6H for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:16:14 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gK1wR-0001rl-9k for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:02:55 -0500 Received: from relay01.pair.com ([209.68.5.15]:57480) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gK1wR-0001nt-69 for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:02:51 -0500 Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (unknown [87.112.26.42]) by relay01.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11202D00B41 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 09:02:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (orac.inputplus.co.uk [IPv6:::1]) by orac.inputplus.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E2D21F2C for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 14:02:48 +0000 (GMT) To: nmh-workers@nongnu.org From: Ralph Corderoy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 14:02:48 +0000 Message-Id: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.68.5.15 Subject: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 14:16:14 -0000 Hi, Where does one go for exmh these days? Google's top hit is http://exmh.sourceforge.net/ and that says the current web site is http://www.beedub.com/exmh/. There, `2.7.2 released January 7, 2004' headlines and the tar file is beside it. But Debian ships 2.8.0 on its stable version and in https://sources.debian.org/src/exmh/1:2.8.0-7/debian/control/ says `Homepage: http://www.exmh.org/', but that's a re-direct to http://beedub.com where I can reach the `current web site' mentioned above. I considered poking around https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users for signs of life, but those archives are subscriber only. I found a probable public copy at https://marc.info/?l=3Dexmh-users&r=3D1&w=3D2 and see valdis is active= . The 2.7.2 I found suggests running a wish script to install. That doesn't appeal without reading through and understanding it first. :-) Debian has a dozen patches to apply, and a semi-hand-crafted /etc/exmh.conf to avoid running the install program. I'm thinking of following its https://sources.debian.org/src/exmh/1:2.8.0-7/debian/rules/ to manually install here on Arch Linux. Advice welcome. --=20 Cheers, Ralph. https://plus.google.com/+RalphCorderoy From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Nov 06 09:27:57 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gK2Kj-0005RZ-AS for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:27:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52255) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gK2Ke-00055m-FZ for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:27:55 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gK2Ka-0001ID-D9 for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:27:52 -0500 Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us ([66.207.139.130]:35882) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gK2Ka-0000tN-5T for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:27:48 -0500 Received: from sss1.sss.pgh.pa.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id wA6ERUp5021186; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 09:27:30 -0500 From: Tom Lane To: Ralph Corderoy cc: nmh-workers@nongnu.org In-reply-to: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> References: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> Comments: In-reply-to Ralph Corderoy message dated "Tue, 06 Nov 2018 14:02:48 +0000" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <21184.1541514450.1@sss.pgh.pa.us> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:27:30 -0500 Message-ID: <21185.1541514450@sss.pgh.pa.us> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 66.207.139.130 Subject: Re: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 14:27:55 -0000 Ralph Corderoy writes: > Where does one go for exmh these days? The last I heard on the topic was per attached. It doesn't look like there has been any activity in the sourceforge git tree since then, which seems odd. Anyway, the exmh-users list is definitely still active; I got some traffic from it just a couple weeks ago. regards, tom lane ------- Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 00:01:35 -0500 From: valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu To: exmh-users@redhat.com, exmh-workers@redhat.com Subject: GIT tree is now on sourceforge. Finally beat 'git cvsimport' into submission, and when I did a read-only 'git clone', the lib/ directory was essentially the same as the CVS directory I started from, so I can't have botched it *too* badly. 'git log' and similar seem to reflect history properly. So I'll just leave the top level pointer here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/exmh/ See if you can find the git tree, clone it, etc. Yell if there's a problem. If I haven't heard anything in a few weeks, I'll go back and nuke the CVS version. _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users ------- End of Forwarded Message From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Nov 06 09:50:53 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gK2gv-0004Cz-F3 for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:50:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58677) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gK2gs-0004BW-2J for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:50:52 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gK2go-0002sJ-JB for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:50:49 -0500 Received: from relay01.pair.com ([209.68.5.15]:60130) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gK2gn-0001wg-GS for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:50:46 -0500 Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (unknown [87.112.26.42]) by relay01.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B262DD00B30 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 09:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (orac.inputplus.co.uk [IPv6:::1]) by orac.inputplus.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C82321F7C for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 14:50:16 +0000 (GMT) To: nmh-workers@nongnu.org From: Ralph Corderoy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In-reply-to: <21185.1541514450@sss.pgh.pa.us> References: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <21185.1541514450@sss.pgh.pa.us> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 14:50:16 +0000 Message-Id: <20181106145016.0C82321F7C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.68.5.15 Subject: Re: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 14:50:52 -0000 Hi Tom, > The last I heard on the topic was per attached. Ah, thanks. I see 2.8.0 at https://sourceforge.net/projects/exmh/files/exmh/ > valdis wrote: > > Finally beat 'git cvsimport' into submission That reminds me of Eric Raymond's reposurgeon that Bill Wohler used for coverting the mh-e repo. http://www.catb.org/~esr/reposurgeon/features.html --=20 Cheers, Ralph. https://plus.google.com/+RalphCorderoy From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Nov 06 19:16:59 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gKBWl-0005zo-AV for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 19:16:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40298) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gK9kE-0001pY-O4 for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 17:22:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gK9k3-0000WV-8U for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 17:22:39 -0500 Received: from woozle.snafu.priv.at ([2001:858:6:2001::2]:56982) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gK9jn-0007kB-0R for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 17:22:22 -0500 Received: from cft.snafu.priv.at (cft.snafu.priv.at [192.168.104.2]) by woozle.snafu.priv.at (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-8) with ESMTPS id wA6MLv6W009600 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Nov 2018 23:22:00 +0100 Received: by cft.snafu.priv.at (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D2E931006D; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 08:21:56 +1000 (AEST) To: Ralph Corderoy Cc: nmh-workers@nongnu.org In-reply-to: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> References: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> From: Alexander Zangerl MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 08:21:46 +1000 Message-ID: <30160-1541542906.937734@1x5j.YWh3.1VGc> X-Mailer: kuvert 2.2.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="----------=_1541542916-6523-10"; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2001:858:6:2001::2 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 19:16:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 22:22:47 -0000 ------------=_1541542916-6523-10 Content-Type: text/plain On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 14:02:48 +0000, Ralph Corderoy writes: >Where does one go for exmh these days? Google's top hit is >http://exmh.sourceforge.net/ and that's the right place for uptodate sources. >and that says the current web site is >http://www.beedub.com/exmh/. i'll get in touch with brent welch about updating that version and link on his site. >I considered poking around >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users for signs of life, >but those archives are subscriber only. exmh-workers and exmh-users are very low volume lists, but worth subscribing to. >I found a probable public copy >at https://marc.info/?l=exmh-users&r=1&w=2 and see valdis is active. and so am i (the debian maintainer of both exmh and nmh). >The 2.7.2 I found suggests running a wish script to install. >That doesn't appeal without reading through and understanding it first. :-) that's been the way exmh tunes and adjusts things before installation for decades. it's not awesome. >Debian has a dozen patches to apply, and a semi-hand-crafted >/etc/exmh.conf to avoid running the install program. I'm thinking of >following its >https://sources.debian.org/src/exmh/1:2.8.0-7/debian/rules/ to manually >install here on Arch Linux. the main reason why debian has debian-specific patches is that the debian policy requires particular behaviours wrt. where files may go and so on. some are just patches for things that have been fixed in cvs/git since 2.8.0 went out. regards az -- Alexander Zangerl + GPG Key 2FCCF66BB963BD5F + http://snafu.priv.at/ Happiness is the maximum agreement between reality and desire. -- Joseph Stalin ------------=_1541542916-6523-10 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="signature.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Digital Signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJb4hQEAAoJED06g4g30PqN7qMP/2njRRoISdIG7bkhrSI8muwE 6YJLfgzeAhq/QEEzp9LqFqE0yczGr4YgAWgKtATQfI+0kgLL7bTMCsjeUS9bSOBy ah+0UuDdpCIenWnLrvIoylujaw2XtwJEm1cEIR1nvJFYWEuDVb134cYKqoAA851V gHAFh6wIgblG5+QUpiM5EjguH93AFjpaAHEEvHhxw6BnrnmOkVGA06xL0p24+Pki 7ozT/fWVNkKkm5MhrRc+5Np1czhJROV+Iq6UQibqEf35VvPCpPonxtv1f0W3OAOR Nerc9rGUtrbeuEHqQAcEj0r+6bWPSC4VX3JxhMjgXGgCGDk+dY/veFNrC/cH8YMB jrgzuwd89qWFa0JkAaTjO2kcofUqZ2n+N3t60CTzr4YZluxlSDUoOT52p4xbZMiU hOS0rz/GPfRVOnjix/NxHifSYeOx2HO/jkcsHVHaon/zro/kRhgpkPlcI7U8n7t9 GzCJvPyphbMxnPQuT/oA7LGiuy8NRZG50PJdtX5sJYOQKFu9UM2NK3WpfxI0fqmk OlaoZmKBcx3vBBfhUt/IPwu71izqOud++SazdALNtlUhud0hAcPTCky94poUy9vs kbBSWs4Y8WNCiO7fxTemxi3kXds5iTaysCwfSuuuu3M36f1pf14dM0ksUv+Fv/LF n8JXllLUsWeY7B7bIycM =jd2p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------=_1541542916-6523-10-- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Nov 07 00:44:01 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gKGdF-0008WO-IU for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; 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X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 05:43:59 -0000 --==_Exmh_1541569402_22451P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 08:21:46 +1000, Alexander Zangerl said: > On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 14:02:48 +0000, Ralph Corderoy writes: > >Where does one go for exmh these days? Google's top hit is > >http://exmh.sourceforge.net/ > > and that's the right place for uptodate sources. It needs some work though. The project page at is reasonably up to date (I think - yell if something is out of date/wrong). https://sourceforge.net/projects/exmh/ I'm tagging the current git tree as 2.9.0 and pushing out the tarballs - everything since April 2012 has called itself 2.8.0. If I screwed the pooch and botched something, yell so I can push a 2.9.1 out. :) > >and that says the current web site is > >http://www.beedub.com/exmh/. > > i'll get in touch with brent welch about updating that version and link > on his site. I can fix the link - the question is where to change it to.... Also, after I converted the tree to git, I missed the part where that page points at now non-existent CVS snapshots. > >I found a probable public copy > >at https://marc.info/?l=exmh-users&r=1&w=2 and see valdis is active. Yeah, I'm (mostly) alive. Current not-yet-in-git projects are fixing up the 'display html' support, and fixing up the multipart composition support. > the main reason why debian has debian-specific patches is that > the debian policy requires particular behaviours wrt. where files > may go and so on. some are just patches for things that have been fixed > in cvs/git since 2.8.0 went out. I *think* that the current git tree contains all the non-Debian-specific patches. --==_Exmh_1541569402_22451P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: Exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 iQEVAwUBW+J7eo0DS38y7CIcAQIvugf/Qw/JxbW23zbGfH1NQz/Sbrq1aX0qvPSm XvplZGLTcinq55Lxl3yd4wHGsJMvLhUB684rUpvQ8cd6QLZq2APlZ+m06C/GK/3J YA2WsWVH1tkbyqIhExLjLE0OA3ZahvwPHE3H97qvIInru4QaN2kAO/yLQFEIHw5B E118B5/Rd3GxRoN3wnQwDEI8zHo5DsLwhVZygt8BXVaLsPEslS8mWyG+UIzhZOrN 8l59CF4Qez3107bpJP4+J3wB2lCO9GsWO/mzH7jPsRLI8wbSv28jAoYqjvhXSc4T 6X76lPmy3k61eWZaVOH0Y7LaUkX/Ef+oQWLTCKJalFUuw37PkzWyZg== =w4iV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1541569402_22451P-- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Nov 07 11:40:53 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gKQsv-0004kU-CS for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 11:40:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58604) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKQst-0004kN-M7 for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 11:40:52 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKQsp-0001q2-Jn for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 11:40:51 -0500 Received: from relay01.pair.com ([209.68.5.15]:44404) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKQsp-0001dE-EC for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 11:40:47 -0500 Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (unknown [87.112.26.42]) by relay01.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD86D003B5 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 11:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (orac.inputplus.co.uk [IPv6:::1]) by orac.inputplus.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421A121FB7 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 16:40:26 +0000 (GMT) To: nmh-workers@nongnu.org From: Ralph Corderoy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In-reply-to: <24330.1541569402@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <30160-1541542906.937734@1x5j.YWh3.1VGc> <24330.1541569402@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 16:40:26 +0000 Message-Id: <20181107164026.421A121FB7@orac.inputplus.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.68.5.15 Subject: Re: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 16:40:52 -0000 Hi valdis, > I'm tagging the current git tree as 2.9.0 and pushing out the tarballs Thanks, I now have $ b2sum exmh-2.9.0.tar.gz | cut -c-42 a097b2e5c5cd44dd6d84e239bf6e674584e9eb4952 --=20 Cheers, Ralph. https://plus.google.com/+RalphCorderoy From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Nov 07 15:53:02 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gKUow-0004Am-Kj for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 15:53:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36272) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKUou-0004Ae-TG for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 15:53:01 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKUop-00033u-VV for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 15:53:00 -0500 Received: from pb-smtp2.pobox.com ([64.147.108.71]:60577) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKUom-0002aD-J2 for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 15:52:52 -0500 Received: from pb-smtp2.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D721036D6 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 15:52:34 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to :subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:date :message-id; s=sasl; bh=LNAMX447hcqKXR58PSP89bqD0m8=; b=hMrKvEfg /OrepS8qeaITs8DSKyvKAVORAd+EUrGFB3T8Pqm5xAjWU9kRos+k2Kdpk2bXXXOI ELyFlNGR74WHOjGNyBUOICVwJTyXnBKIu/8QIC8BzzekVpZeGUja1XTlLCNpVGgf ttZOkQYMpTg7/EKFUundh5299GSQbOWDZic= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:subject :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:date :message-id; q=dns; s=sasl; b=SvIxoV/4I7BQ5sC7r7K9ZBhlIGQEFjCQj/ ryVNGUrCF8SFghmllY3Z79g99xM7ggpVANVZarq50xIn1dWDjStLJ5vicytFdmvO H+wX3tzpOFA5XJnYFzxyIXw2y6hlE0lj5FrqLLSwz84TXp3bJ58qMfjnO7UjvTWO VjHlkBT70= Received: from pb-smtp2.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625311036D4 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 15:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from zoolander.cmf.nrl.navy.mil (unknown [134.207.12.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F0E381036D3 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 15:52:33 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Hornstein To: nmh-workers@nongnu.org In-Reply-To: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> References: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> X-Face: "Evs"_GpJ]],xS)b$T2#V&{KfP_i2`TlPrY$Iv9+TQ!6+`~+l)#7I)0xr1>4hfd{#0B4 WIn3jU;bql;{2Uq%zw5bF4?%F&&j8@KaT?#vBGk}u07<+6/`.F-3_GA@6Bq5gN9\+s;_d gD\SW #]iN_U0 KUmOR.P<|um5yPkEpSD@*e` MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 15:52:32 -0500 X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 0D10864C-E2CF-11E8-A763-BFB3E64BB12D-90216062!pb-smtp2.pobox.com Message-Id: <20181107205234.625311036D4@pb-smtp2.pobox.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 64.147.108.71 Subject: Re: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 20:53:01 -0000 >I considered poking around >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users for signs of life, >but those archives are subscriber only. You know, this has always driven me nuts. Why is it set like this? Can that be opened up? --Ken From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Nov 07 17:35:57 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gKWQX-0004dA-Dj for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 17:35:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41918) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKVE4-0004mF-GA for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 16:19:03 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKV6p-0000K0-K6 for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 16:11:35 -0500 Received: from asav21.altibox.net ([109.247.116.8]:48926) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKV6n-0000E1-L5 for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 16:11:31 -0500 Received: from postfix-relay.alstadheim.priv.no (148-252-110.181.3p.ntebredband.no [148.252.110.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hakon.alstadheim@ntebb.no) by asav21.altibox.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 96DF88014A for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 22:11:15 +0100 (CET) X-Finnesikke-B-A-I-T: finnesikke@alstadheim.priv.no Received: from smtps.alstadheim.priv.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postfix-relay.alstadheim.priv.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FC6624E8A2 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 22:11:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.201] (unknown [192.168.2.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hakon) by smtps.alstadheim.priv.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C8A49244BC07 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 22:11:14 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=alstadheim.priv.no; s=smtp; t=1541625074; bh=pmgDemqaPMrWmX5hB8aT0FlFLpYlNkyi3nhiwHCIEiQ=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=NQyaZ9MrNaVuloolWeKbmkhRHDVxWQ4xNFsfEYmT+oBWitHYVl/uuQAS3CdQYH0X7 hYhEWnNPNbzUBQGtOsXLPyThc46V1A6K4xYgHeJLmxVTTrePotR2heSSl+YpeFypVT PazLUu/2JLATBvCyRj6YCpd89DACBmfyu/7oqNac= To: nmh-workers@nongnu.org References: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <20181107205234.625311036D4@pb-smtp2.pobox.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?H=c3=a5kon_Alstadheim?= Message-ID: <6bf1ded1-b9ca-a233-9237-5ef40faf63e4@alstadheim.priv.no> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 22:11:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181107205234.625311036D4@pb-smtp2.pobox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=ZI75Z0zb c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=nKBCZnvRSnKQV5aoQPnoIA==:117 a=nKBCZnvRSnKQV5aoQPnoIA==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=JHtHm7312UAA:10 a=20KFwNOVAAAA:8 a=k1kR-pI0b3npaHv7_Z0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 109.247.116.8 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 17:35:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 21:19:03 -0000 Den 07.11.2018 21:52, skrev Ken Hornstein: >> I considered poking around >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users for signs of life, >> but those archives are subscriber only. > You know, this has always driven me nuts. Why is it set like this? Can > that be opened up? You could always subscribe. Below is last msg on exmh-users@redhat.com, from today: Den 07.11.2018 07:15, skrev valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu: > I tagged 2.9.0 and pushed it to the git repository and 2.9.0 tarballs to the > sourceforge project page. I *think* I caught most of the important 2.8.0-> > 2.9.0 references. If I missed anything, yell... > > In related questions: Is it going to cause any issues if I make nmh 1.6 the > minimum supported underlying MH release? I'm looking at taking a baseball bat > to our current multipart composition support, but it would leverage mhbuild > which first appeared in nmh 1.6. > > _______________________________________________ > Exmh-workers mailing list > Exmh-workers@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Nov 07 18:20:58 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gKX85-0008Mr-V2 for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 18:20:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37767) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKX82-0008MB-H0 for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 18:20:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKX7w-0005DR-Qo for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 18:20:54 -0500 Received: from pb-smtp21.pobox.com ([173.228.157.53]:51658) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKX7w-0004z2-Fv for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 18:20:48 -0500 Received: from pb-smtp21.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A045F28A5D; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:20:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kenh@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:date :message-id; s=sasl; bh=cNwExKr97rd8pzX/vzxtDLSU+M4=; b=Xu0+Y0SY CALW1pQgHuVUUrMEGX+ZRwSpxiGmN0/6nxVQXL8uKvS5D3wvXtLnzC1T6Sj8Q2IK NksCNIrcxhbQeVAr8pPMQl7SGP1jO+kPC8RQXInNtRdTS+bo6JRNU9Syh3LwIDqr K6GEwHCWWeQTCICTvp+7YmjCnRsvzU1vkqY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:date :message-id; q=dns; s=sasl; b=c3VSn95dnLHC3CmhWFs1VYZ3rFUEFvW6f+ DwUVo5wXAiR2EI8x02ESFW72xafxoICmvItn+aYuY7Li8Vs9tCRgYqQkdLnAP2Gw pz2u7UEMjhQ1jRsuREX6W9b1nkXjiptpw0mronGiQk+Y59HILCChOH41N8UfTJe2 xZw8We/B0= Received: from pb-smtp21.sea.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9928F28A5B; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:20:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kenh@pobox.com) Received: from paradise-falls.internal (unknown [74.96.218.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0262228A57; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:20:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kenh@pobox.com) From: Ken Hornstein To: =?UTF-8?Q?H=c3=a5kon_Alstadheim?= cc: nmh-workers@nongnu.org In-Reply-To: <6bf1ded1-b9ca-a233-9237-5ef40faf63e4@alstadheim.priv.no> References: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <20181107205234.625311036D4@pb-smtp2.pobox.com> <6bf1ded1-b9ca-a233-9237-5ef40faf63e4@alstadheim.priv.no> X-Face: "Evs"_GpJ]],xS)b$T2#V&{KfP_i2`TlPrY$Iv9+TQ!6+`~+l)#7I)0xr1>4hfd{#0B4 WIn3jU;bql;{2Uq%zw5bF4?%F&&j8@KaT?#vBGk}u07<+6/`.F-3_GA@6Bq5gN9\+s;_d gD\SW #]iN_U0 KUmOR.P<|um5yPkEpSD@*e` MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 18:20:31 -0500 X-Pobox-Relay-ID: B9741304-E2E3-11E8-A1C3-CC883AD79A78-90216062!pb-smtp21.pobox.com Message-Id: <20181107232035.9928F28A5B@pb-smtp21.pobox.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 173.228.157.53 Subject: Re: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 23:20:56 -0000 >> You know, this has always driven me nuts. Why is it set like this? Can >> that be opened up? >You could always subscribe. I am subscribed, but occasionally I want to look at the archives. I am not a member of any other list that is restricted to subscribers only. Are you actually arguing this makes sense? --Ken From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Nov 07 19:31:51 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gKYEf-0008Vk-00 for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:31:51 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42407) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKYEZ-0008VX-Tw for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:31:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKYEQ-00083M-Ez for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:31:38 -0500 Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us ([66.207.139.130]:36688) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKYEM-0007oF-9V for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:31:30 -0500 Received: from sss1.sss.pgh.pa.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id wA80VJPZ020020; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:31:19 -0500 From: Tom Lane To: Ken Hornstein cc: =?UTF-8?Q?H=c3=a5kon_Alstadheim?= , nmh-workers@nongnu.org In-reply-to: <20181107232035.9928F28A5B@pb-smtp21.pobox.com> References: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <20181107205234.625311036D4@pb-smtp2.pobox.com> <6bf1ded1-b9ca-a233-9237-5ef40faf63e4@alstadheim.priv.no> <20181107232035.9928F28A5B@pb-smtp21.pobox.com> Comments: In-reply-to Ken Hornstein message dated "Wed, 07 Nov 2018 18:20:31 -0500" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <20018.1541637079.1@sss.pgh.pa.us> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:31:19 -0500 Message-ID: <20019.1541637079@sss.pgh.pa.us> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 66.207.139.130 Subject: Re: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 00:31:47 -0000 Ken Hornstein writes: > I am subscribed, but occasionally I want to look at the archives. I am > not a member of any other list that is restricted to subscribers only. > Are you actually arguing this makes sense? FWIW, I am on quite a few other lists that restrict their archives to subscribers. It's not that insane a policy, though I agree it doesn't really seem necessary for exmh-users. If you want it changed, this is hardly the right list to be complaining on. regards, tom lane From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Nov 07 20:12:58 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gKYsU-0007uA-9P for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 20:12:58 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51597) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKYsR-0007sy-Hf for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 20:12:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKYsM-0003de-R3 for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 20:12:55 -0500 Received: from colo.foxharp.net ([166.84.7.52]:50796) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKYsM-0003JM-Jf for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 20:12:50 -0500 Received: from grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by colo.foxharp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595AA407E0 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from grass (grass [127.0.0.1]) by grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003E75181087 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:12:28 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=foxharp.boston.ma.us; s=mail; t=1541639549; bh=2/i9Z4YpAPeVNSyV/AQ/10aKyec3p626ijMkVJ2/j+w=; h=To:Subject:From:In-reply-to:References:Date:From; b=lx6L9KF5wk2KGJp58jKQXm550oXf1RfKC5IIHevLkBD27CE/o0fv8UO9Vaz0Wo3wz JxdSuJitpvnQd+Owjbc38lCdz9dazX+8awQ+UhVv8BGNuRDLO5PAuYYK2pA1s93rE9 jZw/3gqXDEqx6K6Ze/htPh1ubs9sn81/e9OOJtpw= To: nmh-workers@nongnu.org From: Paul Fox In-reply-to: <20019.1541637079@sss.pgh.pa.us> (sfid-20181107_193154_092514_FFB71FF0) References: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <20181107205234.625311036D4@pb-smtp2.pobox.com> <6bf1ded1-b9ca-a233-9237-5ef40faf63e4@alstadheim.priv.no> <20181107232035.9928F28A5B@pb-smtp21.pobox.com> <20019.1541637079@sss.pgh.pa.us> (sfid-20181107_193154_092514_FFB71FF0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <9034.1541639548.1@grass> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 20:12:28 -0500 Message-Id: <20181108011229.003E75181087@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 166.84.7.52 Subject: Re: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 01:12:56 -0000 tom wrote: > Ken Hornstein writes: > > I am subscribed, but occasionally I want to look at the archives. I am > > not a member of any other list that is restricted to subscribers only. > > Are you actually arguing this makes sense? > > FWIW, I am on quite a few other lists that restrict their archives > to subscribers. It's not that insane a policy, though I agree it > doesn't really seem necessary for exmh-users. > > If you want it changed, this is hardly the right list to be complaining > on. of course, once one is on the right list, then one has access to the archives, making the whole conversation, in the eyes of those defending the policy, moot. hard to have a rational conversation about the issue in that context. it's a dumb policy. makes me think the people on the exmh list have something to hide. paul =---------------------- paul fox, pgf@foxharp.boston.ma.us (arlington, ma, where it's 46.8 degrees) From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Nov 07 20:54:08 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gKZWK-0000mB-NG for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 20:54:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59759) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKZWE-0000YZ-FP for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 20:54:07 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKZW0-0005gh-0G for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 20:53:56 -0500 Received: from pb-smtp20.pobox.com ([173.228.157.52]:61648) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKZVz-0005cS-Pf for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 20:53:47 -0500 Received: from pb-smtp20.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64821ACDF for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:53:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kenh@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to :subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:date :message-id; s=sasl; bh=doaf+tRaW5ZvjH1y4ajoQwSS5/4=; b=MVsxn6Tb WWxEeETymagAnGtYRM5t7ovqBIV7TsyRzyGa0fbgaCKD+ZbWYFwKzewisWOCmz8W R5ECdLJLUqXp8F4dWiMAgjOuHyBqY/wYw03L2ERnZ4jwjEu/QsGJx7EEwmGwRxnm N0Ll1KWT50alUldQixuaeEhDjkV+QCVWAEo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:subject :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:date :message-id; q=dns; s=sasl; b=allvUSLhSDySClrYtZxfhwCT5dEdhd8/UM BxJNdUsTWYPom/A6sf1ekMFCyWAT6/9O1fYgtEgcjFIeY7Vrh/sBVRLgzSuKxmlA n9ALkkZtWQc61V3cHwp/19goRfXxGdZ57w9PHAfi8VpsX1TgfptmdMrVsE2GtLJG 03IJVGm1Y= Received: from pb-smtp20.sea.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0831ACDE for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:53:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kenh@pobox.com) Received: from paradise-falls.internal (unknown [74.96.218.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 54E551ACDD for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:53:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kenh@pobox.com) From: Ken Hornstein To: nmh-workers@nongnu.org In-Reply-To: <20181108011229.003E75181087@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <20181107205234.625311036D4@pb-smtp2.pobox.com> <6bf1ded1-b9ca-a233-9237-5ef40faf63e4@alstadheim.priv.no> <20181107232035.9928F28A5B@pb-smtp21.pobox.com> <20019.1541637079@sss.pgh.pa.us> (sfid-20181107_193154_092514_FFB71FF0) <20181108011229.003E75181087@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> X-Face: "Evs"_GpJ]],xS)b$T2#V&{KfP_i2`TlPrY$Iv9+TQ!6+`~+l)#7I)0xr1>4hfd{#0B4 WIn3jU;bql;{2Uq%zw5bF4?%F&&j8@KaT?#vBGk}u07<+6/`.F-3_GA@6Bq5gN9\+s;_d gD\SW #]iN_U0 KUmOR.P<|um5yPkEpSD@*e` MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 20:53:39 -0500 X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 1E17A572-E2F9-11E8-A13F-F5C31241B9FE-90216062!pb-smtp20.pobox.com Message-Id: <20181108015343.DF0831ACDE@pb-smtp20.pobox.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 173.228.157.52 Subject: Re: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 01:54:07 -0000 >of course, once one is on the right list, then one has access to >the archives, making the whole conversation, in the eyes of those >defending the policy, moot. hard to have a rational conversation >about the issue in that context. Even being on the list ... it's a pain. Because to access the list archives I have to remember my "list password", which is some randomly generated string, which I never do so I always have to have it emailed to me (I might be able to change it, but clearly it's stored in plaintext because it always gets emailed back to me, so I don't want to make it something I remember). I mean, I don't get it ... why not make them public? I'm on a number of closed lists that require manual approval to join, but the archives are still public. --Ken From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Nov 08 05:36:38 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gKhfx-0007A9-Qp for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 05:36:37 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44874) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKhfs-00075T-BE for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 05:36:36 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKhfc-00030b-6w for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 05:36:23 -0500 Received: from relay01.pair.com ([209.68.5.15]:37538) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKhfa-0002zU-B9 for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 05:36:15 -0500 Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (unknown [87.112.26.42]) by relay01.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64055D00B48 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 05:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (orac.inputplus.co.uk [IPv6:::1]) by orac.inputplus.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E561F97D for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 10:36:12 +0000 (GMT) To: nmh-workers@nongnu.org From: Ralph Corderoy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In-reply-to: <20181108015343.DF0831ACDE@pb-smtp20.pobox.com> References: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <20181107205234.625311036D4@pb-smtp2.pobox.com> <6bf1ded1-b9ca-a233-9237-5ef40faf63e4@alstadheim.priv.no> <20181107232035.9928F28A5B@pb-smtp21.pobox.com> <20019.1541637079@sss.pgh.pa.us> (sfid-20181107_193154_092514_FFB71FF0) <20181108011229.003E75181087@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> <20181108015343.DF0831ACDE@pb-smtp20.pobox.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:36:12 +0000 Message-Id: <20181108103612.99E561F97D@orac.inputplus.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.68.5.15 Subject: Re: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:36:36 -0000 Hi Ken, > Even being on the list ... it's a pain. Because to access the list > archives I have to remember my "list password" Because there's so little value in the Mailman subscription password, I let Firefox remember them. > I mean, I don't get it ... why not make them public? I'm on a number > of closed lists that require manual approval to join, but the archives > are still public. Mailman doesn't allow archives that are both private and public depending on date. It could be exmh's list started private and thus can't be made entirely public because posters historically thought their prose was semi-private, e.g. Google doesn't see it. A workaround is to subscribe the list to a public archiver so Google can see everything from the switch-over date onwards, as long as the list-info page makes this clear as otherwise new posters still think it's semi-private. That's what we had to do on the local Linux User Group Mailman list. Some of us disliked it being private because it's a resource for Q&A where we put effort into providing the A. Others didn't want their old stuff being exposed. I think the `Mailing Lists About exmh' at http://beedub.com/exmh/ could do with linking to public archives too, e.g. the marc one Google found. Being able to see a list's traffic can be a good incentive to bother subscribing, e.g. low volume, high signal. --=20 Cheers, Ralph. https://plus.google.com/+RalphCorderoy From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Nov 08 10:10:08 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gKlwe-0003r6-IG for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:10:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40907) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKlwX-0003p8-DW for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:10:06 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKlwU-0002iL-NP for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:10:01 -0500 Received: from edoras.bradfordfamily.org ([166.70.45.18]:40982) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKlwU-0002MS-Bf for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:09:58 -0500 Received: (qmail 57593 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2018 15:09:12 -0000 Received: from angmar.bradfordfamily.org (sg1xbc840yxn1lees8e2@166.70.45.29) by edoras.bradfordfamily.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 2018 15:09:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 59090 invoked by uid 1000); 8 Nov 2018 15:09:11 -0000 Date: 8 Nov 2018 08:09:11 -0700 Message-ID: <20181108080911.81277.qmail@angmar.bradfordfamily.org> From: "Andy Bradford" Mail-Reply-To: amb-1472650868-xmhe@bradfords.org To: "Ken Hornstein" Cc: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.6 X-image-url: http://www.xmission.com/~bradipo/pictures/mugshot1sm.jpg X-URL: http://www.xmission.com/~bradipo/ References: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <20181107205234.625311036D4@pb-smtp2.pobox.com> In-reply-to: <20181107205234.625311036D4@pb-smtp2.pobox.com> Comments: In-reply-to Ken Hornstein message dated "Wed, 07 Nov 2018 15:52:32 -0500." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 166.70.45.18 Subject: Re: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 15:10:06 -0000 Thus said Ken Hornstein on Wed, 07 Nov 2018 15:52:32 -0500: > >I considered poking around > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users for signs of life, > >but those archives are subscriber only. > > You know, this has always driven me nuts. Why is it set like this? Can > that be opened up? I prefer these anyway: https://marc.info/?l=exmh-users&r=1&w=2 https://marc.info/?l=exmh-workers&r=1&w=2 Andy -- TAI64 timestamp: 400000005be451bc From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Nov 08 10:17:11 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gKm3T-0007VH-6D for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:17:11 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43492) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKm3K-0007QT-JG for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:17:07 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKm3G-0003pX-2K for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:17:02 -0500 Received: from edoras.bradfordfamily.org ([166.70.45.18]:46457) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKm3F-0003no-Gp for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:16:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 92225 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2018 15:16:55 -0000 Received: from angmar.bradfordfamily.org (x549aksa6r4qufeldjb7@166.70.45.29) by edoras.bradfordfamily.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 2018 15:16:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 999 invoked by uid 1000); 8 Nov 2018 15:16:55 -0000 Date: 8 Nov 2018 08:16:55 -0700 Message-ID: <20181108081655.50069.qmail@angmar.bradfordfamily.org> From: "Andy Bradford" Mail-Reply-To: amb-1472650868-xmhe@bradfords.org To: "Ralph Corderoy" Cc: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.6 X-image-url: http://www.xmission.com/~bradipo/pictures/mugshot1sm.jpg X-URL: http://www.xmission.com/~bradipo/ References: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <20181107205234.625311036D4@pb-smtp2.pobox.com> <6bf1ded1-b9ca-a233-9237-5ef40faf63e4@alstadheim.priv.no> <20181107232035.9928F28A5B@pb-smtp21.pobox.com> <20019.1541637079@sss.pgh.pa.us> (sfid-20181107_193154_092514_FFB71FF0) <20181108011229.003E75181087@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> <20181108015343.DF0831ACDE@pb-smtp20.pobox.com> <20181108103612.99E561F97D@orac.inputplus.co.uk> In-reply-to: <20181108103612.99E561F97D@orac.inputplus.co.uk> Comments: In-reply-to Ralph Corderoy message dated "Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:36:12 +0000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 166.70.45.18 Subject: Re: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 15:17:07 -0000 Thus said Ralph Corderoy on Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:36:12 +0000: > A workaround is to subscribe the list to a public archiver so Google > can see everything from the switch-over date onwards, as long as the > list-info page makes this clear as otherwise new posters still think > it's semi-private. If you didn't see my previous email... It was already done long ago by MARC; these archives go back to 1998: https://marc.info/?l=exmh-users&r=1&w=2 https://marc.info/?l=exmh-workers&r=1&w=2 I don't know if they are 100% complete, but I don't know why they wouldn't be. 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[2001:468:c80:2103:f21f:afff:fe0c:8ada]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b9-v6sm2837890qti.4.2018.11.08.08.01.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 08 Nov 2018 08:01:20 -0800 (PST) Sender: Valdis Kletnieks From: valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu X-Google-Original-From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.7+dev To: "Andy Bradford" Cc: "Ralph Corderoy" , nmh-workers@nongnu.org In-Reply-To: <20181108081655.50069.qmail@angmar.bradfordfamily.org> References: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <20181107205234.625311036D4@pb-smtp2.pobox.com> <6bf1ded1-b9ca-a233-9237-5ef40faf63e4@alstadheim.priv.no> <20181107232035.9928F28A5B@pb-smtp21.pobox.com> <20019.1541637079@sss.pgh.pa.us> (sfid-20181107_193154_092514_FFB71FF0) <20181108011229.003E75181087@grass.foxharp.boston.ma.us> <20181108015343.DF0831ACDE@pb-smtp20.pobox.com> <20181108103612.99E561F97D@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <20181108081655.50069.qmail@angmar.bradfordfamily.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1541692879_3686P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 11:01:19 -0500 Message-ID: <16224.1541692879@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 2607:b400:92:8300:0:c6:2117:b0e Subject: Re: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 16:02:17 -0000 --==_Exmh_1541692879_3686P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 08 Nov 2018 08:16:55 -0700, "Andy Bradford" said: > If you didn't see my previous email... It was already done long ago by > MARC; these archives go back to 1998: > > https://marc.info/?l=exmh-users&r=1&w=2 > https://marc.info/?l=exmh-workers&r=1&w=2 > > I don't know if they are 100% complete, but I don't know why they > wouldn't be. Brent Welch put out the 1.b release in August 1993. However, the chances that anything from the first 5 years is still relevant to anybody besides cyber-archaeologists is vanishingly close to zero... --==_Exmh_1541692879_3686P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: Exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 iQEVAwUBW+Rdz40DS38y7CIcAQI7owf/UiN7iJOIV6MG3p9fdVwo35QAOdGYRRp1 38uHJ5Z2rQW5CIIFxWJ/CCdx0e3xwytRiKB7tzS0PWXJX8Z9z795QEr5Bbdf3+A0 7JzIhjlaOfW8S3C9HIqEJA54eNz3jx5Ro/LbK4gLByJ0L98BZiov17msZ2xoINKt KYFJUBGKF47qsuZDG55i4UlPs/cKd5Uz810NtuOE7CqVpqApeF3/c7SJLHzaW8/p BOLqdg914/VVsY1/amZuu415cH/08w5i6YPX5ofr4KuxeLW8c6aY7aDQk1jt7qF8 g8uY3Phzi8uTGV/Ec2cJqF3ZuZqwEnO/ElWoeiea06YJ14eMIKDZPw== =Ry96 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1541692879_3686P-- From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Nov 08 12:53:42 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gKoUw-0001LG-CE for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 12:53:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38426) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKoUu-0001Jn-8a for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 12:53:40 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKoUn-0006pF-I1 for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 12:53:39 -0500 Received: from relay01.pair.com ([209.68.5.15]:33334) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKoUm-0006mk-W4 for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 12:53:33 -0500 Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (unknown [87.112.26.42]) by relay01.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4BAD00B8F for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 12:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (orac.inputplus.co.uk [IPv6:::1]) by orac.inputplus.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E483A21D0A for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 17:53:28 +0000 (GMT) To: nmh-workers@nongnu.org From: Ralph Corderoy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In-reply-to: <20181107164026.421A121FB7@orac.inputplus.co.uk> References: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <30160-1541542906.937734@1x5j.YWh3.1VGc> <24330.1541569402@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20181107164026.421A121FB7@orac.inputplus.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 17:53:28 +0000 Message-Id: <20181108175328.E483A21D0A@orac.inputplus.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.68.5.15 Subject: Re: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 17:53:41 -0000 Hi, > Thanks, I now have > > $ b2sum exmh-2.9.0.tar.gz | cut -c-42 > a097b2e5c5cd44dd6d84e239bf6e674584e9eb4952 Reading through the notes, it appears metamail is pretty vital for display of MIME messages. (In particular, I was interested to see how exmh handled text/html.) metamail isn't packaged for Arch Linux, but then that's probably not surprising as it also appears to have been removed from Debian in 2009 due to being missing upstream. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/metamail --=20 Cheers, Ralph. https://plus.google.com/+RalphCorderoy From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Nov 08 20:39:52 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1gKvm3-0003zX-W5 for mharc-nmh-workers@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 20:39:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55418) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKvm1-0003zM-5v for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 20:39:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKvm0-00061z-9r for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 20:39:49 -0500 Received: from woozle.snafu.priv.at ([2001:858:6:2001::2]:56098) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKvlz-0005wy-Rc for nmh-workers@nongnu.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 20:39:48 -0500 Received: from cft.snafu.priv.at (cft.snafu.priv.at [192.168.104.2]) by woozle.snafu.priv.at (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-8) with ESMTPS id wA91dU7T017572 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Nov 2018 02:39:33 +0100 Received: by cft.snafu.priv.at (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5E4801006D; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 11:39:29 +1000 (AEST) To: Ralph Corderoy Cc: nmh-workers@nongnu.org In-reply-to: <20181108175328.E483A21D0A@orac.inputplus.co.uk> References: <20181106140248.45E2D21F2C@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <30160-1541542906.937734@1x5j.YWh3.1VGc> <24330.1541569402@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20181107164026.421A121FB7@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <20181108175328.E483A21D0A@orac.inputplus.co.uk> From: Alexander Zangerl MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 11:39:05 +1000 Message-ID: <10441-1541727545.851315@ay-7.E0uI.ZEGV> X-Mailer: kuvert 2.2.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="----------=_1541727569-6523-17"; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2001:858:6:2001::2 Subject: Re: [nmh-workers] The State of exmh. X-BeenThere: nmh-workers@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of nmh development, and help for new users" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 01:39:49 -0000 ------------=_1541727569-6523-17 Content-Type: text/plain On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 17:53:28 +0000, Ralph Corderoy writes: >Reading through the notes, it appears metamail is pretty vital for >display of MIME messages. it's not required anymore; i added support for recode instead of metamail in commit 2bf11b0704 in 2008. regards az -- Alexander Zangerl + GPG Key 2FCCF66BB963BD5F + http://snafu.priv.at/ Duct tape is like the force. 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Google put an odd warning it in given it's just a > description. You'd think they'd key off just the UID. They apparently can key off just the UID. At least now they can, I noticed that Google no longer sends me the "could not find the event" responses, even without the DESCRIPTION. Anyway, I (finally) narrowed the problem down to having more than one ATTENDEE line in the response. I just committed an update that adds an -attendee switch to mhical(1) for cases when more than one ATTENDEE matches the user's mailboxes. It also retains DESCRIPTION lines. And I added corresponding -a switches to the calaccept, caldecline, and caltentative aliases on docs/contrib/replaliases. > I noticed there were two vCalendar files in the invitation email Tom > forward, though they seem the same. Gmail seems to do that. Tom wrote: # I noticed that the mhical modified invite.ics has the wrong # value for my email address (it seems to guess it, instead of # honoring the value in the To: field in the Google meeting # invitation): I think that the new -attendee switch can help you get around this, as long as the email address you want to use is listed in your profile in either Local-Mailbox or Alternate-Mailboxes. If not, I think we'd have to add another switch to mhical. It doesn't see the entire message, just the iCalender request. David