From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 01 00:26:34 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ0by-0004rV-9O for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 00:26:34 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ0bw-0004ot-TN for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 00:26:32 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ0bu-0004lQ-Kh for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 00:26:31 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ0bu-0004lI-DN for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 00:26:30 -0400 Received: from [64.233.182.185] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJ0lg-0004Rr-0Z for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 00:36:36 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so605966nfc for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:26:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cWKONEpW1c0RRb+1SqfBvRpHs+Ks0V3/+Y3Q5a9baAABURgRn4Xp24hN8ZkYhBFnwdjAhuGaeaeJ94adfmiYbD3hZn3Q2NRKo5bw5htOKuIiaakUKap3bV6u2k+HHqreE/AqJwWrES/QhdrvhqAQ8tNtumipAssl85seCiXTuz0= Received: by 10.49.26.18 with SMTP id d18mr2465409nfj; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.102? ( [86.196.214.40]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m15sm2892457nfc.2006.08.31.21.26.27; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44F7B672.70700@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 06:26:26 +0200 From: Frederic Bezies User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1 (X11/20060831) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] [0.110] pan compiles on gcc-4.1,1 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 04:26:33 -0000 Le 01.09.2006 05:29, walt a écrit : > Exciting news, fellow geeks: gentoo upgraded gcc-4.1.1 to 'stable' > today! Ang gentoo 2006.1 is available too. > > The very first thing I did (of course) was to compile pan using > gcc-4.1.1 -- and it works beautifully! I build it every single week with gcc 4.0.3 :) > > The great thing is that the binary is only 7% bigger than with > gcc-3.4.x and there are lots of other benefits as well -- but > I need to read hundreds of pages of documents to find out just > what those benefits might be. Good luck. > > I'll spend the next day or two reading those docs while I rebuild > my entire gentoo machine with gcc-4.1.1. Upgrade to gentoo 2006.1 it will be simpler. > > If you never hear from me again, at least you'll know why ;o) > I would have installed Gentoo 2006.1 instead of my Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS, but I won't because : - Gnome is older than the one available (2.14.2 in Gentoo, 2.14.3 in Ubuntu) - localization sucks (no french version out of the box for gnome and other tools) - having to build all the modules in order to make firewall work :( -- Frederic Bezies - fredbezies@gmail.com From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 01 07:22:40 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ76e-0007xm-EC for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:22:40 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ76c-0007uh-P5 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:22:38 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ76b-0007rW-4f for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:22:38 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ76a-0007r6-UH for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:22:36 -0400 Received: from [66.249.82.238] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJ7GQ-0000J2-My for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:32:46 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1095654wxc for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 04:22:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SjWOFejzZIp52/wrIOUmJ6dLTClJY2C3Ze5yUW63prkM8TjGTbGNTsGtf9w3451dV5UpeSM1Np83gaH817a1Yu5wSVl4juK/hlq56/9iY+OHMDdQCpZ+14o1A7I6A3w6xQGkqESRBuVkPaH/nCh4f/cCiW6Vq6QeNbY22TTFAm8= Received: by 10.90.80.8 with SMTP id d8mr397236agb; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 04:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.116.11 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 04:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5caa9b870609010422w67222db3jed828c97cfcae76c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:22:35 +0100 From: "Steve Davies" To: pan-users@nongnu.org, arturj@post.pl Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.110 "Beable Beable" In-Reply-To: <44F21455.108@post.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44F1537C.7040508@rebelbase.com> <44F21455.108@post.pl> Cc: X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:22:39 -0000 On 8/27/06, Artur Jachacy wrote: > > Pan 0.110 for Win32 is > now available at panbuilds.googlepages.com > > BTW, attached is a little patch for building Pan on Windows. ;-) > I have also built Pan 0.110 for Win32, including the above patch, and have packaged it in an installer. The installer .exe is 8.7Mb, as it includes both debug and stripped builds. I am happy to host this, but it would seem sensible to add it to panbuilds.googlepages.com... Is this possible? I do not know anything about how googlepages works. Regards, Steve From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 01 11:17:05 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAlU-0002Hh-VP for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:17:05 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAlS-0002Fu-UE for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:17:02 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAlQ-0002FL-RL for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:17:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAlQ-0002FI-M3 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:17:00 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJAvI-0006Sh-AS for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:27:12 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAlD-0002Nl-DH for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:16:47 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:16:47 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:16:47 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 185 Message-ID: References: <44F7B672.70700@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.110 (Beable Beable) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: [0.110] pan compiles on gcc-4.1,1 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:17:03 -0000 Frederic Bezies posted 44F7B672.70700@gmail.com, excerpted below, on Fri, 01 Sep 2006 06:26:26 +0200: > Le 01.09.2006 05:29, walt a écrit : > >> Exciting news, fellow geeks: gentoo upgraded gcc-4.1.1 to 'stable' >> today! > > Ang gentoo 2006.1 is available too. Yes, but release version doesn't really affect a Gentoo user, after installation. It's big news only for those doing new Gentoo installs. >> >> The very first thing I did (of course) was to compile pan using >> gcc-4.1.1 -- and it works beautifully! > > I build it every single week with gcc 4.0.3 :) I've been building it with gcc 4.1.1 for awhile, on Gentoo, but I prefer ~arch (unstable) to the "stale" stuff in stable. Back on Mandrake, I ran cooker for the same reason, and I'd be running the latest unstable/testing/beta/whatever release, no matter what distribution or platform I was running. That's just the way I am. So anyway, yes, pan builds on Gentoo with gcc 4.1.1, but some of us have been doing that for awhile, so it's not news. Only the fact that gcc 4.1.1 finally went stable is news, but that's Gentoo news more than pan news. >> The great thing is that the binary is only 7% bigger than with >> gcc-3.4.x and there are lots of other benefits as well -- but >> I need to read hundreds of pages of documents to find out just >> what those benefits might be. >> >> I'll spend the next day or two reading those docs while I rebuild >> my entire gentoo machine with gcc-4.1.1. > > Upgrade to gentoo 2006.1 it will be simpler. No it wouldn't, as Gentoo users don't "upgrade" to a release. By the time of the release, the regular Gentoo user will already have most of the stuff that comes with that release already merged, and in fact may have /newer/ stuff merged, due to the snapshot-freeze that the release is built and tested against. (In particular, ~arch users are likely to have newer versions, assuming newer versions have been released upstream, of course.) See, part of the whole point of Gentoo is that you upgrade individual applications as they become available, thus never have to do the full system upgrade that other distributions do. Of course, another part of the point of Gentoo is that you get to choose the dependancies (where optional) that a package builds with, normally using USE flags. For example, where a particular package from a binary distribution may be built with both kde and gnome support, thus depending on libraries from both, or built with only support for the "default" desktop environment (DE) choice of that distribution, thus lacking both the dependencies and the optional support of the other DE, so by choosing distribution you choose either full support and dependencies or limit the support for the other choice, with Gentoo, the same package will typically have both kde and gnome (or gtk) use flags, and the person doing the install chooses which support and dependencies the package will have. If they only run KDE (as here, but with GTK as well, in part to support pan), they can set "USE=-gnome kde" and not build those gnome dependencies or have that support. If they run only GNOME, likewise, "USE=gnome -kde" gets the gnome support but won't pull in the KDE dependencies or support. Now Gentoo does have binary packages available for many packages, but they are only updated at Gentoo release time, not as upstream releases new packages. Yes, this includes security updates -- if you choose the binary packages from the old release, that's what you get, even if that package has had security releases since then. The GRP (what Gentoo calls it's binary package program) only updates at Gentoo release, because those packages are only designed to aid in a quick install. After initial install, further upgrades are done via the normal Gentoo compile from source procedure. Similarly, by definition, the GRP binaries shipped with each release use a default set of USE flags and CFLAGS -- they are not nor could they be optimized for an individual installation. Using the example above where both KDE and GNOME support are possible and toggled with the appropriate USE flags, the GRP binary package will have been built with "USE=gnome kde", thus, support and dependencies for both. If you merge that binary package, you'll pull in GNOME dependencies even if you only run KDE and don't want them (or the reverse, you'll pull in KDE dependencies even if you don't want them), because the package was compiled for general use with support for both and won't run without the libraries it linked in for both. Of course, the general packages will also be compiled with general CFLAGS, say supporting a pentium and not making use of newer SSE and the like. For this reason, beyond the initial install, few Gentoo users ever use the GRP packages of any release, because they aren't customized to what they have and want on their own system. Thus again, a Gentoo release matters little to them beyond initial install. Once they have the system up and running, they update as things come along, customizing the build to their individual installation in the process, and what particular Gentoo release is current matters very little. Of course here, we're dealing with a compiler upgrade going stable for the new release as well, and it's not the release upgrade that's the issue, but rather the compiler upgrade. Users can recompile their entire system to get the better optimizations in the new compiler, if desired. However, some only choose to recompile the toolchain (or just gcc itself), and let the rest of the system get recompiled in the course of normal individual application upgrades. The only problem with doing upgrades only as they come is that sometimes packages compiled with one version of gcc don't work quite right (or at all) when used with packages compiled with a different version. This problem is most often seen when an application uses a library compiled with a different gcc, or when two libraries used by the same app are compiled with different gccs. Similarly, the problem doesn't come up as frequently with pure C apps/libraries as it does with C++, due to the libstdc++ library that every C++ app depends on, that's part of gcc's C++ implementation and therefore changes each gcc version. > I would have installed Gentoo 2006.1 instead of my Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS, > but I won't because : > > - Gnome is older than the one available (2.14.2 in Gentoo, 2.14.3 in > Ubuntu) That's valid. I would have suggested that gnome 2.14.3 might be available for ~arch (that is, unstable), which is what I run, or still masked for testing, but that doesn't seem to be the case. gnome 2.14.2 seemps to be the latest actually in portage. However, because Gentoo is built from source by default, it's generally easier to install from a tarball if desired, or often, to simply move the ebuild of the existing version to your overlay, change the name to reflect the new version, redigest the ebuild so portage doesn't complain about a package that doesn't match its internal checks, and go from there. Where most binary focused distributions require tracing down and installing additional packages (-devel or the like) to actually build something from source, because that's the way Gentoo normally does it, those packages are normally not spit into separate packages in the first place, and will already be installed. That's what I do with the weekly pan upgrades. Altho they do make it to portage (now, the early 0.9x ones didn't), it takes a couple days, so all I do is rename the ebuild (it's already in the overlay from the last upgrade I did the same way) and redigest, and an upgrade then builds the new pan, no additional intervention on my part required. Also note that for an individual package, a minor point upgrade often denotes only a security update or bugfix release. With something as big as GNOME, which comes in multiple individual packages, the individual parts are likely to have already been upgraded to the new versions found in the newer GNOME, even tho the gnome metapackage itself remains at the older version number. There are also likely to be publicly available portage overlays, such as the GNOME-focused breakmygentoo.org (referencing the fact that the packages are newer, even more unstable than ~arch, and may break someone's system), that have newer versions of packages if the official gentoo tree is behind. A quick look at their repository... https://svn.breakmygentoo.net/bmg-main/gnome-base/gnome/ It lists an even newer GNOME version, gnome-2.15.4, as available in their overlay tree. > - localization sucks (no french version out of the box for gnome > and other tools) I can't comment on that beyond the following as I know nothing about it. Knowing only English seriously decomplicates life in computer terms. =8^) I'd speculate, however, that the appropriate l10n modules are available either as separate packages within the normal Gentoo tree, or in overlays such as bmg above. Even where that's not the case, as above, the from-source nature means it's much easier to pull in such packages on your own, as in contrast with most binary focused distributions, the dependencies to build from source are normally already there, > - having to build all the modules in order to make firewall work :( Well, you don't have to build /all/ of them, only the ones you will use and their dependencies. =8^) While you do build what you need, you don't have to have the ones you don't use on your system, as is often the case with binary distributions due to the support=dependency problem, as in the gnome/kde example above. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 01 11:46:38 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJBE5-0008Kl-Qo for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:46:37 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJBE4-0008Ju-96 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:46:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJBE0-0008Hl-T4 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:46:34 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJBE0-0008HQ-Bq for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:46:32 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJBNs-00012N-Bz for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:56:44 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GJBDg-0000vx-7u for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:46:12 +0200 Received: from ckc84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl ([83.31.78.84]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:46:12 +0200 Received: from arturj.usenet by ckc84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:46:12 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Artur Jachacy" Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <44F1537C.7040508@rebelbase.com> <44F21455.108@post.pl> <5caa9b870609010422w67222db3jed828c97cfcae76c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ckc84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl User-Agent: pan 0.110 (Beable Beable) Hamster/2.1.0.11 Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.110 "Beable Beable" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:46:36 -0000 On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:22:35 +0100, Steve Davies wrote: > On 8/27/06, Artur Jachacy wrote: >> >> Pan 0.110 for Win32 is >> now available at panbuilds.googlepages.com >> >> BTW, attached is a little patch for building Pan on Windows. ;-) >> > > I have also built Pan 0.110 for Win32, including the above patch, and > have packaged it in an installer. The installer .exe is 8.7Mb, as it > includes both debug and stripped builds. I am happy to host this, but > it would seem sensible to add it to panbuilds.googlepages.com... Is > this possible? I do not know anything about how googlepages works. panbuilds.googlepages.com is my personal website, so just send the file to arturj AT post DOT pl along with an explanation of what's inside and I'll be happy to put it up. Artur -- I'm afraid I just blue myself. Pan for Windows - From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 07:43:50 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJqOE-00035o-HA for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 07:43:50 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJqOC-000351-E8 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 07:43:48 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJqOA-00034C-2K for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 07:43:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJqO9-000349-RV for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 07:43:45 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJqYR-0001RO-Ef for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 07:54:23 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GJqO5-0004Ph-JK for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:43:41 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:43:41 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:43:41 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <20060826154157.GC14176@dbz.icequake.net> <200608271556.48147.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <41597.68.12.65.212.1156875405.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.110 (Beable Beable) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: reducing memory usage X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:43:48 -0000 "Charles Kerr" posted 41597.68.12.65.212.1156875405.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com, excerpted below, on Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:16:45 -0500: > Yesterday I gave 0.110 the a.b.m.startrek challenge -- it failed. > The 'get headers' task was doing things that were find for regular > groups, even large groups, but once you get up past 1,000,000 headers > the overhead snowballed. > > I gave bugzilla a longish brain dump on the things I found wrong. > See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=353334 for more info. > > More importantly, it also has a patch to fix this in 0.111. I tested > the patch against both 0.110 and 0.14.9x CVS, and the patch won. > memory comparisons are also included in the bug report. I got around to applying the patch here yesterday, and while I've not seriously stress-tested it yet, I've already noted the difference in CPU usage. The contrast between 0.109 and 0.110 with this patch reminds me of the difference between trying to use composite rendering on xorg-7.0, vs. 7.1 and finally 7.1.1 after switching to EXA from XAA. 7.1.1 w/ EXA and composite uses little CPU and is actually useful. 7.0 w/ XAA and composite was nice eye candy, but used up way more CPU and had too much built-in delay to actually be used, at least on my Radeon 9200 w/ xorg drivers. (7.0 EXA was too crashy, 7.1.1 XAA still uses CPU and I doubt that will change.) So now I get to use /both/ fancy EXA/composite /and/ fancy pan, without undue strain or slowdown. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 08:07:05 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJqkj-0001Lc-2k for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 08:07:05 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJqkh-0001L1-0Z for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 08:07:03 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJqkg-0001KU-D4 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 08:07:02 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJqkf-0001KM-Hq for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 08:07:02 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJqux-0004AE-5f for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 08:17:39 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GJqkc-0007eg-4z for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:06:58 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:06:58 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:06:58 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 40 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.110 (Beable Beable) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Crashing on subject/author search (0.110 plus huge-group patch) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:07:03 -0000 This was reported before but I thought it had been fixed. I'm too lazy ATM to go looking for bug numbers, but it's still crashing on me here, if there are more than a few displayed headers. Even in this group, gmane.com.gnome.apps.pan.user, with all messages displayed back several months, trying a simple subject or author (combined) search for "pan" crashes it every time. I get pan typed, wait about a second for the search to take effect, and VWALLA, no more pan! It's interesting to note that if I filter out read messages so only a few headers are displayed, the search returns correctly. I'm not sure whether it's finding a particular post to crash on, or whether it's simply the volume of posts, but it's consistent. That brings up another thing. I KNOW this one's bugged as I either bugged it myself or added a comment to someone else's (IDR which). PAN's failure to save state, at least during group switch (as the old pan did), means on a crash, pan can lose status on MANY HUNDREDS OF POSTS OVER DOZENS OF GROUPS! I know. It happened to me yesterday when I tried to do a search, and crashed. Because old-pan at least saved when switching groups, I got in the habit of switching to a different group and back every so often even when working in the same group for long periods and thousands of posts, just so pan wouldn't lose read-message tracking if it crashed. Now, I'm finding myself having to actually quit pan and restart. While the startup time is much better with post-0.90 pan so that's not the problem it would have been with old-pan, IMO, having to quit the app to save state, when that state can represent several hours of work and a good 10-30 minutes of recovery if one has been really active, is not a good "feature" to have remaining at 1.0-rc1 time. =8^( Hmm... looking at my bugzilla.gnome mail, this last one is: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349044 Preferences are not saved when edited? -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 11:01:48 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJtTo-0005Yy-AE for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:01:48 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJtTm-0005YP-G4 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:01:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJtTk-0005YD-06 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:01:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJtTj-0005YA-Ru for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:01:43 -0400 Received: from [149.84.147.232] (helo=meriadoc.alfred.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJte3-0005cQ-CU for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:12:23 -0400 Received: from [149.84.26.165] (chucknorris.campus.alfred.edu [149.84.26.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by meriadoc.alfred.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k83F1g3w008856 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:01:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-1-747339213" To: pan-users@nongnu.org From: Benjamin Esham Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:01:21 -0400 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Gpgmail-State: signed X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Subject: [Pan-users] Pan 0.110 won't post more than one article X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 15:01:46 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-1-747339213 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello all, Since I updated to Pan 0.110 I can't seem to post more than one =20 article in a session. I can open Pan, and the first article is =20 posted without error, but when I try to post another Pan just =20 displays the "Posting..." dialog forever and the Tasks window shows =20 no activity for the posting task. Quitting Pan and opening it again =20 allows me to post one more article. I'm not exactly sure that this is what's happening; it may be that =20 Pan won't post after a certain amount of time, as opposed to a =20 certain number of posts. I'll file this as a bug report, but first I =20= wanted to ask if anyone else was getting this behavior. I'm using =20 Mac OS X; I built my own Pan using libraries from Fink. -- Benjamin D. Esham bdesham@gmail.com | AIM: bdesham128 | Jabber: same as e-mail =95 Still using Internet Explorer? Firefox is newer, more secure, and has better support for standards. http://www.getfirefox.com --Apple-Mail-1-747339213 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE+u5LzOC3TdZ2u5oRAlILAKCqccCZDu6vBI24cCe2w0pNUINe+wCgyac8 ou5uIp8/FT7eXoT9tkjWFKQ= =/0tz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1-747339213-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 11:23:19 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJtod-0000Et-9o for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:23:19 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJtob-0000Eg-LW for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:23:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJtoY-0000E0-3H for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:23:17 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJtoX-0000Dx-Vx for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:23:14 -0400 Received: from [198.116.72.9] (helo=alpha1.bigelow.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJtyr-00080r-3y for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:33:53 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=www.bigelow.org) by alpha1.bigelow.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GJtpb-0007yL-0i for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:24:19 -0400 Received: from 24-50-104-225.agstme.adelphia.net ([24.50.104.225]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user bcb) by www.bigelow.org with HTTP; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1271.24.50.104.225.1157297059.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:24:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bruce Bowler" To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-1.fc5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Can I do this? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 15:23:18 -0000 I subscribe to a group where whenever a certain person responds there is NOTHING useful below his posts. I know how to kill fill him, but what I'd like to do is ignore/delete/"mark as read" everyone of his posts and (recursively) all replies to his posts. Is that possible? Bruce From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 11:44:54 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJu9W-0008JP-CM for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:44:54 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJu9U-0008JK-LZ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:44:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJu9S-0008J8-6h for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:44:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJu9S-0008J5-1A for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:44:50 -0400 Received: from [66.249.82.238] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJuJm-00061P-0w for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:30 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1771358wxc for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 08:44:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=BiQdGfiFvry3AH9JLh0viI3hl9Xkp5sv/RefWvW4h7SmzJosqg1LqGtVhQxCMZzmfmTsqDF5/yqEftYcseqaOeKIwPpugtI2EkFPUrGaCRlFc6f6OaShtdEou0+3PBYSbO4gLykDGnwbpwpV0rDozKNuPIlmoICbcxSyckKZNcU= Received: by 10.70.103.12 with SMTP id a12mr6036786wxc; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 08:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.132.16 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 08:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:44:49 -0400 From: "Nat Gross" To: pan-users@nongnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [Pan-users] Watched Articles filter is 'stuck' X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 15:44:53 -0000 Hi; (Have been using pan for a while and am pleased with it. Anyhow..) My 'watched articles' filter refuses to UNfilter, regardless of the position of the button. I have tried flipping the 'unread' filter back and forth, although that works, but only for watched threads. In other words, the watched filter is always on. Please adivse. Thanks. nat From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 11:54:06 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJuIQ-0006To-Fw for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:54:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJuIO-0006Td-PW for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:54:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJuIK-0006Sv-36 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:54:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJuIJ-0006Ss-VW for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:54:00 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJuSd-00072w-PY for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:04:40 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GJuI7-0006X4-IQ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:53:47 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:53:47 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:53:47 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 15:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.110 (Beable Beable) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Pan 0.110 won't post more than one article X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 15:54:05 -0000 Benjamin Esham posted F869AB44-4539-4E20-AD28-5DD904FDDB56@gmail.com, excerpted below, on Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:01:21 -0400: > Since I updated to Pan 0.110 I can't seem to post more than one > article in a session. I can open Pan, and the first article is > posted without error, but when I try to post another Pan just > displays the "Posting..." dialog forever and the Tasks window shows > no activity for the posting task. Quitting Pan and opening it again > allows me to post one more article. > > I'm not exactly sure that this is what's happening; it may be that > Pan won't post after a certain amount of time, as opposed to a > certain number of posts. I'll file this as a bug report, but first I > wanted to ask if anyone else was getting this behavior. I'm using > Mac OS X; I built my own Pan using libraries from Fink. One post per session would certainly be a no-touch-it show-stopper for me, so I'm glad that bug hasn't hit me here! Gentoo ~amd64 system, everything compiled from source, naturally. I'd therefore tend toward the opinion that it's either your OSX/Fink platform, or something specific to your system. Hopefully someone else on OSX can help you on that, but it's not a general problem in any case, or there'd have been more reports of it by now. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 12:51:25 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvBt-0001Mh-4a for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:51:25 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvBq-0001M6-JJ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:51:22 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvBp-0001Lu-2K for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:51:22 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvBo-0001Lr-UK; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:51:20 -0400 Received: from [149.84.147.232] (helo=meriadoc.alfred.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJvM9-0003zK-BR; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:02:01 -0400 Received: from [149.84.26.165] (chucknorris.campus.alfred.edu [149.84.26.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by meriadoc.alfred.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k83GpJXu009984; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:51:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1271.24.50.104.225.1157297059.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> References: <1271.24.50.104.225.1157297059.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-1-753916297" Message-Id: <3FDF5B33-B0EA-4435-863B-148AE648793D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Esham Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Can I do this? Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:50:58 -0400 To: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Gpgmail-State: signed X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:51:22 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-1-753916297 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Bruce Bowler wrote: > I subscribe to a group where whenever a certain person responds =20 > there is > NOTHING useful below his posts. I know how to kill fill him, but =20 > what I'd > like to do is ignore/delete/"mark as read" everyone of his posts and > (recursively) all replies to his posts. Is that possible? I asked this same question [1] a couple of weeks ago, and I believe the consensus was that you can't do this in Pan=97at least not = automatically. Bug 108566 [2] would be a step in the right direction, but doesn't =20 mention killing subthreads automatically. [1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/pan-users/2006-08/msg00073.html [2] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D108566 HTH, -- Benjamin D. Esham bdesham@gmail.com | AIM: bdesham128 | Jabber: same as e-mail =93The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.=94 =97 Stephen Hawking --Apple-Mail-1-753916297 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE+wf8zOC3TdZ2u5oRAp16AJ9HW+VzAKuEMASLLfKqGovyg9jRYQCgz3rB zg6RBN/rdgqMI2SINW2DKXw= =Dnga -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1-753916297-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 12:51:25 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvBt-0001N0-Da for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:51:25 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvBr-0001MO-8t for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:51:23 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvBq-0001M8-Pt for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:51:22 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvBo-0001Lr-UK; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:51:20 -0400 Received: from [149.84.147.232] (helo=meriadoc.alfred.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJvM9-0003zK-BR; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:02:01 -0400 Received: from [149.84.26.165] (chucknorris.campus.alfred.edu [149.84.26.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by meriadoc.alfred.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k83GpJXu009984; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:51:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1271.24.50.104.225.1157297059.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> References: <1271.24.50.104.225.1157297059.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-1-753916297" Message-Id: <3FDF5B33-B0EA-4435-863B-148AE648793D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Esham Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Can I do this? Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:50:58 -0400 To: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Gpgmail-State: signed X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:51:23 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-1-753916297 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Bruce Bowler wrote: > I subscribe to a group where whenever a certain person responds =20 > there is > NOTHING useful below his posts. I know how to kill fill him, but =20 > what I'd > like to do is ignore/delete/"mark as read" everyone of his posts and > (recursively) all replies to his posts. Is that possible? I asked this same question [1] a couple of weeks ago, and I believe the consensus was that you can't do this in Pan=97at least not = automatically. Bug 108566 [2] would be a step in the right direction, but doesn't =20 mention killing subthreads automatically. [1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/pan-users/2006-08/msg00073.html [2] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D108566 HTH, -- Benjamin D. Esham bdesham@gmail.com | AIM: bdesham128 | Jabber: same as e-mail =93The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.=94 =97 Stephen Hawking --Apple-Mail-1-753916297 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE+wf8zOC3TdZ2u5oRAp16AJ9HW+VzAKuEMASLLfKqGovyg9jRYQCgz3rB zg6RBN/rdgqMI2SINW2DKXw= =Dnga -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1-753916297-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 13:15:13 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvYv-0006SB-Kn for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:15:13 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvYt-0006R7-8J for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:15:11 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvYs-0006Qp-Db for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:15:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvYs-0006Qm-Al for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:15:10 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJvjD-0006Di-4l for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:25:51 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvYk-0005up-3p for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:15:02 +0200 Received: from blacksburg-bsr1-69-174-64-171.chvlva.adelphia.net ([69.174.64.171]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:15:02 +0200 Received: from beartooth by blacksburg-bsr1-69-174-64-171.chvlva.adelphia.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:15:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Beartooth Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:59:21 -0400 Lines: 13 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: blacksburg-bsr1-69-174-64-171.chvlva.adelphia.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Suddenly "watch thread" fails in 0.14.2.91 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:15:12 -0000 It was working yesterday. I've done nothing to Pan that I know of. I display a message; right-click on it; click Watch thread; and nothing visible happens. I know all attention is concentrated on getting 1.0 out, and I'm sorry to raise something else. Is it me?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Wordcrafty Squirreler FC5; Pine 4.64, Pan 0.14.2.91; Privoxy 3.0.3; CXO 5.0.1 Dillo 0.8.5, Opera 9.01, Firefox 1.5, Galeon 2.0.1 Remember I have little idea what I am talking about. From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 13:20:08 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvdf-00021c-VH for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:20:07 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvde-00020x-1U for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:20:06 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvdc-00020S-Ja for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:20:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvdc-00020P-Gr for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:20:04 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJvnx-0006wu-Ci for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:30:45 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GJvda-0006ts-EE for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:20:02 +0200 Received: from blacksburg-bsr1-69-174-64-171.chvlva.adelphia.net ([69.174.64.171]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:20:02 +0200 Received: from beartooth by blacksburg-bsr1-69-174-64-171.chvlva.adelphia.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:20:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Beartooth Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:06:05 -0400 Lines: 36 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: blacksburg-bsr1-69-174-64-171.chvlva.adelphia.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Posts disappearing X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:20:06 -0000 > > The tabs are indeed a fine thing. Unfortunately, I can't offer anything in > return but praise; but this is meant to be read as a *lot* of that. There > have been times when I had as many as a dozen open, and always with great > success. Many, many thanks to the developers! I read a reply to a post of mine; moved to the next post and checked that; and started getting back to the previous, in order to ask a follow-up question. Suddenly I can't. Clicking back on it fails. Hitting enter after that fails. Going to another dillo post and then back fails both times. Even going to another gmane group and coming back to this one fails both times. The log shows things like this : [btth@localhost ~]$ cat PanTemp Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:46:39 - Loaded 5 articles for group "saved_posts" in 0.1 seconds (82 art/sec) Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:46:39 - Scored 5 entries in 0.0 seconds (5000 articles/sec) Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:46:39 - Saved 3269 articles in "gmane.comp.web.dillo.devel" in 0.1 seconds (30435 art/sec) Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:46:57 - Loaded 3269 articles for group "gmane.comp.web.dillo.devel" in 0.1 seconds (42898 art/sec) Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:46:57 - Scored 3269 entries in 0.0 seconds (113807 articles/sec) Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:50:51 - Error reading file "/home/btth/.pan/messages/cache/20060902215624.GF2570@dillo.org.msg": Failed to open file '/home/btth/.pan/messages/cache/20060902215624.GF2570@dillo.org.msg': No such file or directory Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:50:51 - Error reading file "/home/btth/.pan/messages/cache/20060902215624.GF2570@dillo.org.msg": Failed to open file '/home/btth/.pan/messages/cache/20060902215624.GF2570@dillo.org.msg': No such file or directory [btth@localhost ~]$ Wha hoppen?? Is it on my end??? Is it Adelphia the Utterly Abominable, acting up again, in some new nasty way? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Wordcrafty Squirreler FC5; Pine 4.64, Pan 0.14.2.91; Privoxy 3.0.3; CXO 5.0.1 Dillo 0.8.5, Opera 9.01, Firefox 1.5, Galeon 2.0.1 Remember I have little idea what I am talking about. From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 14:02:43 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwIt-0006v0-Ez for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:02:43 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwIr-0006pl-8W for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:02:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwIp-0006kx-71 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:02:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwIp-0006kl-0k for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:02:39 -0400 Received: from [70.168.83.82] (helo=centrmmtao02.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJwTA-0002Ox-7p for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:13:20 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060903180236.EGPJ22014.centrmmtao02.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:02:36 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Hu2T1V00D4amFmC0000000 Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:02:27 -0400 Message-ID: <44FB18BA.3060500@rebelbase.com> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:02:34 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Suddenly "watch thread" fails in 0.14.2.91 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:02:41 -0000 Beartooth wrote: > It was working yesterday. I've done nothing to Pan that I know of. I > display a message; right-click on it; click Watch thread; and nothing > visible happens. > > I know all attention is concentrated on getting 1.0 out, and I'm sorry to > raise something else. Is it me?? What version of Pan are you using? From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 14:04:05 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwKD-0000aA-2a for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:04:05 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwKB-0000Y7-SM for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:04:03 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwK9-0000UT-W2 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:04:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwK9-0000UH-SA for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:04:01 -0400 Received: from [68.230.240.35] (helo=eastrmmtao04.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJwUV-0002S1-5G for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:14:43 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060903180401.JKVH25210.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:04:01 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Hu3r1V00R4amFmC0000000 Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:03:51 -0400 Message-ID: <44FB1910.4050801@rebelbase.com> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:04:00 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Watched Articles filter is 'stuck' References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:04:04 -0000 Nat Gross wrote: > Hi; > (Have been using pan for a while and am pleased with it. Anyhow..) > My 'watched articles' filter refuses to UNfilter, regardless of the > position of the button. > I have tried flipping the 'unread' filter back and forth, although > that works, but only for watched threads. In other words, the watched > filter is always on. > Please adivse. Thanks. > nat What version of Pan are you using, Nat? From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 14:04:53 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwKz-0001YX-MK for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:04:53 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwKy-0001Vs-A6 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:04:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwKw-0001Rz-7b for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:04:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwKw-0001Rq-36 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:04:50 -0400 Received: from [68.230.240.36] (helo=eastrmmtao03.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJwVH-0002XB-67 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:15:31 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060903180449.ECBV23863.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:04:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Hu4f1V00W4amFmC0000000 Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:04:39 -0400 Message-ID: <44FB1940.7030007@rebelbase.com> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:04:48 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Can I do this? References: <1271.24.50.104.225.1157297059.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> In-Reply-To: <1271.24.50.104.225.1157297059.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:04:52 -0000 Bruce Bowler wrote: > I subscribe to a group where whenever a certain person responds there is > NOTHING useful below his posts. I know how to kill fill him, but what I'd > like to do is ignore/delete/"mark as read" everyone of his posts and > (recursively) all replies to his posts. Is that possible? There's not currently a mechanism for killfiling subthreads, but you're not the first person to ask for one. Open up a bugzilla ticket on it, please. :) From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 14:07:00 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwN1-0002ht-UJ for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:06:59 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwMy-0002gr-OR for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:06:56 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwMw-0002gM-NE for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:06:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwMw-0002gJ-KE; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:06:54 -0400 Received: from [149.84.147.232] (helo=meriadoc.alfred.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJwXH-0002ch-Vl; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:17:36 -0400 Received: from [149.84.26.165] (chucknorris.campus.alfred.edu [149.84.26.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by meriadoc.alfred.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k83I6rbc010954; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:06:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-2-758449694" Message-Id: <6D1F4388-15FC-438B-8F09-E35B9605DD47@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Esham Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Pan 0.110 won't post more than one article Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:06:32 -0400 To: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Gpgmail-State: signed X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:06:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-2-758449694 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Duncan wrote: > Benjamin Esham wrote: > >> Since I updated to Pan 0.110 I can't seem to post more than one >> article in a session. > > I'd therefore tend toward the opinion that it's either your OSX/Fink > platform, or something specific to your system. I'd tend to go with the latter: compiling Pan with Fink's libraries, but not with Fink, seems like it could easily lead to Bad Things happening. In any event, downgrading to 0.109 seems to have fixed the problem. I'll look through the changes made between .109 and .110, but I doubt I'll be able to find the culprit. Thanks for the reply, -- Benjamin D. Esham bdesham@gmail.com | AIM: bdesham128 | Jabber: same as e-mail You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. --Apple-Mail-2-758449694 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE+xmxzOC3TdZ2u5oRAmaqAJ966Ibhy2NzKr4Ncy5f2GN3aRsb1QCeJleA /rIiu3LZ4v+jVxSEZ/hwdgQ= =uGDH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-2-758449694-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 14:07:00 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwN2-0002iG-BZ for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:07:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwMz-0002h9-B7 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:06:57 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwMy-0002gu-T2 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:06:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwMw-0002gJ-KE; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:06:54 -0400 Received: from [149.84.147.232] (helo=meriadoc.alfred.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJwXH-0002ch-Vl; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:17:36 -0400 Received: from [149.84.26.165] (chucknorris.campus.alfred.edu [149.84.26.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by meriadoc.alfred.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k83I6rbc010954; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:06:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-2-758449694" Message-Id: <6D1F4388-15FC-438B-8F09-E35B9605DD47@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Esham Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Pan 0.110 won't post more than one article Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:06:32 -0400 To: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Gpgmail-State: signed X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:06:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-2-758449694 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Duncan wrote: > Benjamin Esham wrote: > >> Since I updated to Pan 0.110 I can't seem to post more than one >> article in a session. > > I'd therefore tend toward the opinion that it's either your OSX/Fink > platform, or something specific to your system. I'd tend to go with the latter: compiling Pan with Fink's libraries, but not with Fink, seems like it could easily lead to Bad Things happening. In any event, downgrading to 0.109 seems to have fixed the problem. I'll look through the changes made between .109 and .110, but I doubt I'll be able to find the culprit. Thanks for the reply, -- Benjamin D. Esham bdesham@gmail.com | AIM: bdesham128 | Jabber: same as e-mail You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. --Apple-Mail-2-758449694 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE+xmxzOC3TdZ2u5oRAmaqAJ966Ibhy2NzKr4Ncy5f2GN3aRsb1QCeJleA /rIiu3LZ4v+jVxSEZ/hwdgQ= =uGDH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-2-758449694-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 14:51:02 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJx3e-00063H-05 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:51:02 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJx3a-00062k-WF for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:50:59 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJx3X-00062Q-CW for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:50:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJx3X-00062N-9A for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:50:55 -0400 Received: from [66.249.82.230] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJxDt-0007ap-2S for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 15:01:37 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1811148wxc for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:50:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dYdA2ohdUDym24I7z2WZlUjwQkbryp36jt8oA166eIkcJlOEk+nmHH4Lyje8Z+4rxKK4OI3J3kqgbasi14zYmtqBotYIaxUImAJul2jISnaaI48e76AtAM2qSedF52a2SZSvFoUYpl0Vzeag3D6AeUfdQ2/wcpYC2Mb6tIyKFCw= Received: by 10.70.78.4 with SMTP id a4mr6456520wxb; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.132.16 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:50:53 -0400 From: "Nat Gross" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Watched Articles filter is 'stuck' In-Reply-To: <44FB1910.4050801@rebelbase.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44FB1910.4050801@rebelbase.com> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:50:59 -0000 On 9/3/06, Charles Kerr wrote: > Nat Gross wrote: > > Hi; > > (Have been using pan for a while and am pleased with it. Anyhow..) > > My 'watched articles' filter refuses to UNfilter, regardless of the > > position of the button. > > I have tried flipping the 'unread' filter back and forth, although > > that works, but only for watched threads. In other words, the watched > > filter is always on. > > Please adivse. Thanks. > > nat > > What version of Pan are you using, Nat? 0.14.2.91 on Fedora 5 32 bit latest kernel. Gnome. I forgot to mention that this behaviour is only for 1 group (my most often used group). Other groups, the filter works normally. Thanks. nat From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 16:07:03 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyFD-00070U-Rj for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:07:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyFB-0006wv-89 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:07:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyF9-0006u1-P3 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:07:00 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyF9-0006tt-In for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:06:59 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJyPV-0000Ai-3v for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:17:42 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyF4-0005r3-E5 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:06:55 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:06:54 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:06:54 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <44FB18BA.3060500@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.110 (Beable Beable) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Suddenly "watch thread" fails in 0.14.2.91 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:07:01 -0000 Charles Kerr posted 44FB18BA.3060500@rebelbase.com, excerpted below, on Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:02:34 -0500: > Beartooth wrote: >> It was working yesterday. I've done nothing to Pan that I know of. I >> display a message; right-click on it; click Watch thread; and nothing >> visible happens. >> >> I know all attention is concentrated on getting 1.0 out, and I'm sorry to >> raise something else. Is it me?? > > What version of Pan are you using? Um... Charles, look at the title. =8^) (Beartooth, the reply I'm writing to your other post is for both.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 16:26:52 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyYO-0003ga-LD for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:26:52 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyYN-0003gU-Hd for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:26:51 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyYM-0003gI-Up for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:26:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyYM-0003gF-Os for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:26:50 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJyij-0001jI-6W for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:37:33 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyYC-00016G-K3 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:26:40 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:26:40 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:26:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:26:27 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 70 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.110 (Beable Beable) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Posts disappearing X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:26:51 -0000 Beartooth posted pan.2006.09.03.18.06.02.580986@adelphia.net, excerpted below, on Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:06:05 -0400: >> The tabs are indeed a fine thing. Unfortunately, I can't offer anything in >> return but praise; but this is meant to be read as a *lot* of that. There >> have been times when I had as many as a dozen open, and always with great >> success. Many, many thanks to the developers! Is this from the pan list or did you reply here based on a problem elsewhere and quote is from there? As many as a dozen tabs open, in pan? Not that I know of, so I'm assuming this was from the other group and doesn't refer to pan, but it's confusing, regardless. > I read a reply to a post of mine; moved to the next post and checked that; > and started getting back to the previous, in order to ask a follow-up > question. > > Suddenly I can't. Clicking back on it fails. Hitting enter after that > fails. Going to another dillo post and then back fails both times. Even > going to another gmane group and coming back to this one fails both times. dillo? I get it, the above happened in a dillo group, and the tabs refer to dillo. However, it's still somewhat disorienting to read about it here. > The log shows things like this : > > [btth@localhost ~]$ cat PanTemp > Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:46:39 - Loaded 5 articles for group "saved_posts" in 0.1 seconds (82 art/sec) > Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:46:39 - Scored 5 entries in 0.0 seconds (5000 articles/sec) > Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:46:39 - Saved 3269 articles in "gmane.comp.web.dillo.devel" in 0.1 seconds (30435 art/sec) > Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:46:57 - Loaded 3269 articles for group "gmane.comp.web.dillo.devel" in 0.1 seconds (42898 art/sec) > Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:46:57 - Scored 3269 entries in 0.0 seconds (113807 articles/sec) > Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:50:51 - Error reading file "/home/btth/.pan/messages/cache/20060902215624.GF2570@dillo.org.msg": Failed to open file '/home/btth/.pan/messages/cache/20060902215624.GF2570@dillo.org.msg': No such file or directory > Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:50:51 - Error reading file "/home/btth/.pan/messages/cache/20060902215624.GF2570@dillo.org.msg": Failed to open file '/home/btth/.pan/messages/cache/20060902215624.GF2570@dillo.org.msg': No such file or directory > [btth@localhost ~]$ > > Wha hoppen?? Is it on my end??? Is it Adelphia the Utterly Abominable, > acting up again, in some new nasty way? You are still using 0.14.x according to your other post. Please remember to mention that. Of course you know we are headed for 1.0, which makes it confusing to see references to an old pan when it isn't mentioned. Certainly, the posts are welcomed, don't quit posting them. Just... remind us what version you are using each time, so we don't get confused. =8^) Those errors tell the story. Pan thinks the files should still be cached but can't open them. I suspect the problem with watch thread that you mentioned is related. Fix one and you fix the other. You mention trying another group and coming back. You don't mention quiting and restarting pan and trying it again. Pan isn't acting right in both this and the watch thread case. It could be that the running image in memory is corrupted and a restart will fix it. If that doesn't fix it, manually check the cache and see if the file referenced in the error is there, check its permissions, etc. Something strange is happening. It could be file system corruption and/or failing memory or hard disk. Try a reboot and fsck the partition in question and see if that helps. Hopefully the problem goes away, as this type of behavior is worrying, reminding me of some of the stuff that happened last time I had a hard drive go out on me, or of when I've had CPU or memory problems. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 16:27:59 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyZT-0004Ha-KX for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:27:59 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyZS-0004H4-Am for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:27:58 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyZP-0004G6-Sg for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:27:58 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyZP-0004G2-Li for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:27:55 -0400 Received: from [68.230.240.35] (helo=eastrmmtao04.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJyjm-0001mK-Dm for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:38:38 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060903202754.MEWJ25210.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:27:54 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id HwTl1V0034amFmC0000000 Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:27:45 -0400 Message-ID: <44FB3AC9.3020902@rebelbase.com> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 15:27:53 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Suddenly "watch thread" fails in 0.14.2.91 References: <44FB18BA.3060500@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:27:59 -0000 Duncan wrote: > Charles Kerr posted > 44FB18BA.3060500@rebelbase.com, excerpted below, on Sun, 03 Sep 2006 > 13:02:34 -0500: > >> Beartooth wrote: >>> It was working yesterday. I've done nothing to Pan that I know of. I >>> display a message; right-click on it; click Watch thread; and nothing >>> visible happens. >>> >>> I know all attention is concentrated on getting 1.0 out, and I'm sorry to >>> raise something else. Is it me?? >> What version of Pan are you using? > > Um... Charles, look at the title. =8^) Meh. :) In that case, Beartooth, I'd echo what someone else has already said, that the 0.14.x codebase is unmaintained and is unlikely to have any future bugfix releases. Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 16:34:07 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyfP-0000PN-MB for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:34:07 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyfN-0000P2-Sd for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:34:05 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyfN-0000Om-8p for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:34:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJyfM-0000OV-Hv; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:34:04 -0400 Received: from [68.230.240.33] (helo=eastrmmtao06.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJypj-00026F-BR; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:44:47 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060903203403.DKSB18839.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net>; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:34:03 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id HwZt1V00k4amFmC0000000 Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:33:54 -0400 Message-ID: <44FB3C3A.9050609@rebelbase.com> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 15:34:02 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org, pan-announce@nongnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.111 "Tweedy" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:34:06 -0000 This week's release fixes a handful of crashers, has faster header downloads and filtering, and has a much smaller memory footprint in very large newsgroups. Although Pan's bug reports have been getting fewer and more minor, this week bucked the trend with a handful of serious bugs reported. So due to a bigger number of code changes than expected, 0.111 is not "1.0 release candidate 1" as previously announced. Thanks to the people whose suggestions were incorporated into this release: Anonymous, Bill Baker, Stéphane BERTHELOT, Frederic Bezies, Bruce Bowler, Dave Chand, csv4me, Damian, Thomas Fricke, Christophe GISQUET, Artur Jachacy, and Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert. Bug tickets addressed in this release: http://tinyurl.com/qs9za Bugs 353577 0.110: crash on entering next news group 353622 crash on deleting posts while header retrieval is in progress 353334 reduce xover memory usage 353222 Supersede features is busted. No text quoted. 353972 Pan adds another Re: in some replies 353407 Queue goes out of order after restart 353191 Pan 0.110 opens only 1 connection to server Tweaks 352337 scroll bar at the end of headers list. 353386 Group update order is "wrong" 353083 Reading articles should always be on top of the queue 353604 build failure on FreeBSD. 353635 URLs not preceded by http:// cause problems 353630 URL containing https:// does not highlight, is not clickable cheers, Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 16:40:20 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJylQ-0001aw-19 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:40:20 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJylO-0001ad-D8 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:40:18 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJylM-0001aR-UJ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:40:18 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJylM-0001aO-SM for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:40:16 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJyvj-0003SU-MI for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:50:59 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GJylH-0003ey-QZ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:40:11 +0200 Received: from 209.89.52.96 ([209.89.52.96]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:40:11 +0200 Received: from kurtbcox by 209.89.52.96 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:40:11 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Kurt B Cox Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:39:49 -0600 Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <20060826154157.GC14176@dbz.icequake.net> <200608271556.48147.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <41597.68.12.65.212.1156875405.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.89.52.96 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060729) In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: reducing memory usage X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:40:18 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Duncan wrote: > "Charles Kerr" posted > 41597.68.12.65.212.1156875405.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com, excerpted > below, on Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:16:45 -0500: > >> Yesterday I gave 0.110 the a.b.m.startrek challenge -- it failed. >> The 'get headers' task was doing things that were find for regular >> groups, even large groups, but once you get up past 1,000,000 headers >> the overhead snowballed. >> >> I gave bugzilla a longish brain dump on the things I found wrong. >> See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=353334 for more info. >> >> More importantly, it also has a patch to fix this in 0.111. I tested >> the patch against both 0.110 and 0.14.9x CVS, and the patch won. >> memory comparisons are also included in the bug report. > > I got around to applying the patch here yesterday, and while I've not > seriously stress-tested it yet, I've already noted the difference in CPU > usage. > > The contrast between 0.109 and 0.110 with this patch reminds me of the > difference between trying to use composite rendering on xorg-7.0, vs. 7.1 > and finally 7.1.1 after switching to EXA from XAA. 7.1.1 w/ EXA and > composite uses little CPU and is actually useful. 7.0 w/ XAA and > composite was nice eye candy, but used up way more CPU and had too much > built-in delay to actually be used, at least on my Radeon 9200 w/ xorg > drivers. (7.0 EXA was too crashy, 7.1.1 XAA still uses CPU and I doubt > that will change.) > > So now I get to use /both/ fancy EXA/composite /and/ fancy pan, without > undue strain or slowdown. =8^) > Hear, Hear 7.1.1 with EXA/Composite rocks. What is video player gives you the best results? VLC, Mplayer, totem w/gstreamer or Xine? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE+z2V7XUlbB7lH2kRAjyBAJ90sBLb4OAa+uWmzdlNbxYjbB3vrQCeLpYU gE/sZBoY3JT+sWOgXy5Xo1s= =IIxE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 16:57:08 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJz1g-0001vb-7j for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:57:08 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJz1e-0001vB-Dn for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:57:06 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJz1b-0001un-RV for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:57:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJz1b-0001uk-P1 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:57:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJzBy-0004zA-PB for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:07:46 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJz1a-0003iX-OM for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:57:03 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GJz1O-0006GD-Vy for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:56:50 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:56:50 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:56:50 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:56:45 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <44FB1910.4050801@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.110 (Beable Beable) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Watched Articles filter is 'stuck' X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:57:07 -0000 "Nat Gross" posted cf66298c0609031150n4b1743f4x7ebd6cbbee573db8@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:50:53 -0400: > On 9/3/06, Charles Kerr > wrote: >> Nat Gross wrote: >> > Hi; >> > (Have been using pan for a while and am pleased with it. Anyhow..) My >> > 'watched articles' filter refuses to UNfilter, regardless of the >> > position of the button. >> > I have tried flipping the 'unread' filter back and forth, although >> > that works, but only for watched threads. In other words, the watched >> > filter is always on. >> >> What version of Pan are you using, Nat? > 0.14.2.91 on Fedora 5 32 bit latest kernel. Gnome. I forgot to mention > that this behaviour is only for 1 group (my most often used group). > Other groups, the filter works normally. As you may have read by now, 0.14.x is unmaintained now and is unlikely to have further updates. However, this doesn't seem to be a problem with pan, but something in the info pan has stored for the group. It should be possible to delete the info for the group and have pan recreate it, thus fixing the problem. Just how much work you go to to figure out where the problem is and just delete that problem, leaving everything else untouched, is up to you, and will probably depend on how much info you are comfortable losing and recreating. I'd start by making a backup of the .pan/data dir (minus the cache if you keep a big one, since this shouldn't affect that). Then with pan closed while making changes and using a bit of common sense on what to try first, delete a few files at a time, restart pan, and see if the problem still exists. Then quit pan and restore the files if it didn't help, and go on to the next set of files. When you find the problem set, working with that set, narrow it down to a specific file. If you are comfortable losing the info in that file, fine. Otherwise, open the file in a text editor and if you can make sense of it, again find the problem section and then line by trial and error, restoring the backup copy to try again as needed. If you are careful and patient enough to take it that far, you can probably reduce the lost info to a single line or at least a single section. I routinely use this method when I get a piece of a config that quits working, and have been using it for a decade now, since I was running MS Windows 95 if not earlier. As I customize rather heavily, I don't like to blow away an entire config, and usually pinpoint the problem pretty closely before I'm satisfied. The method works amazingly well, and I've learned quite a bit about where various pieces of my config are stored, that way, thus making future fixes that much easier. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 17:20:46 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GJzOX-00047l-T1 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:20:45 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJzOW-000460-IV for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:20:44 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJzOV-00045Y-1U for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:20:44 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJzOU-00045V-Tv for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:20:42 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJzYs-00022H-65 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:31:26 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GJzOM-0001wy-G1 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:20:34 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:20:34 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:20:34 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <20060826154157.GC14176@dbz.icequake.net> <200608271556.48147.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <41597.68.12.65.212.1156875405.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.110 (Beable Beable) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: reducing memory usage X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:20:44 -0000 Kurt B Cox posted edfeil$nt6$1@sea.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:39:49 -0600: > Hear, Hear > > 7.1.1 with EXA/Composite rocks. =8^) > What is video player gives you the best results? > > VLC, Mplayer, totem w/gstreamer or Xine? Getting OT, but anyway, kmplayer using xine as the backend. gstreamer as the backend just doesn't work, I'm guessing because I've had nothing properly configure it. mplayer works and I've used it with various frontends over the years, but I've not had as much luck with it as xine, which seems to "just work" without the codec fiddling I've often found necessary with mplayer. For the frontend, I also just recently installed kaffeine based on someone's recommendation and comment that it better integrates with KDE. However, I've not used it enough to evaluate it yet. I prefer KDE to Gnome, thus KDE frontends to GNOME/GTK frontends, so haven't tried totem or VLC, at least recently. A quick emerge pretend reveals that both require a number of GNOME dependencies I don't have merged ATM, and it's not worth it to merge all that just for one app, when kmplayer works just fine for the same purpose as it is. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 20:04:32 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GK1x1-0006Bc-Rf for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:04:31 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GK1x0-0006B9-FO for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:04:30 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GK1wy-0006As-Kv for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:04:29 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GK1wy-0006Ap-EG for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:04:28 -0400 Received: from [66.249.82.239] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GK27N-0008MB-7g for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:15:13 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1876252wxc for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:04:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uueFiFQxK3A6fTNfP8xqK0rpYzz3QI7LlAx6b8Lvpoa9U/EP6c97pxj32djRe3w/SP+Ps5oxCGFdPw0RdJu2isKPax8gzApl/xcjvrx3jGqW7HJNU+bnxB0adzMAMXPFNnEFDgCW98/Chmh11tagl/II6CEBY6DvnxlU+9+8k0k= Received: by 10.70.89.1 with SMTP id m1mr6792930wxb; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.132.16 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 17:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:04:27 -0400 From: "Nat Gross" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Watched Articles filter is 'stuck' In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44FB1910.4050801@rebelbase.com> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:04:30 -0000 On 9/3/06, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > "Nat Gross" posted > cf66298c0609031150n4b1743f4x7ebd6cbbee573db8@mail.gmail.com, excerpted > below, on Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:50:53 -0400: > > > On 9/3/06, Charles Kerr > > wrote: > >> Nat Gross wrote: > >> > Hi; > >> > (Have been using pan for a while and am pleased with it. Anyhow..) My > >> > 'watched articles' filter refuses to UNfilter, regardless of the > >> > position of the button. > >> > I have tried flipping the 'unread' filter back and forth, although > >> > that works, but only for watched threads. In other words, the watched > >> > filter is always on. > >> > >> What version of Pan are you using, Nat? > > 0.14.2.91 on Fedora 5 32 bit latest kernel. Gnome. I forgot to mention > > that this behaviour is only for 1 group (my most often used group). > > Other groups, the filter works normally. > > As you may have read by now, 0.14.x is unmaintained now and is unlikely to > have further updates. Thanks for the detail. I need to work on that. Since I have always used yum to pull in the latest updates I am aurprised to hear that I don't have the latest. And I just ran yum and didn't find a later version of pan. I have many repos enabled in yum (Fedora 5) including livna and freshrpm's. So, questions: 1) Which repos should I point yum to, to get the latest. 2) Is it ok to upgrade in the position that I am now? Thanks nat From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 03 21:10:08 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GK2yV-0003E4-Oj for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:10:07 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GK2yU-0003Ai-3a for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:10:06 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GK2yS-00036M-3L for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:10:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GK2yR-000364-VM for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:10:03 -0400 Received: from [149.84.147.232] (helo=meriadoc.alfred.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GK38r-0007yn-EK for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:20:49 -0400 Received: from [149.84.26.165] (chucknorris.campus.alfred.edu [149.84.26.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by meriadoc.alfred.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k841A19H016106; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:10:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-1-783837663" Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Esham Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:09:40 -0400 To: Benjamin Esham X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Pan 0.110 won't post more than one article X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 01:10:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-1-783837663 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Benjamin Esham wrote: > Since I updated to Pan 0.110 I can't seem to post more than one =20 > article in a session. This seems to have been fixed in 0.111. Rest assured that if I get =20 the problem again I'll post about it ;-) -- Benjamin D. Esham bdesham@gmail.com | AIM: bdesham128 | Jabber: same as e-mail =93It is the unknown we fear when we look upon death and darkness, nothing more.=94 =97 Albus Dumbledore in HBP --Apple-Mail-1-783837663 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE+3zdzOC3TdZ2u5oRAvkIAJ47jn/LAE2J6oyqK9GUagc5NT9s8ACbBk98 sRN2o5YoPpwrOFBq7YdoFD4= =VORr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1-783837663-- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 04 02:44:37 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GK8CD-0006RO-3q for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 02:44:37 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GK8CB-0006Ox-6O for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 02:44:35 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GK8CA-0006OZ-Fx for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 02:44:34 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GK8CA-0006OW-BE for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 02:44:34 -0400 Received: from [64.233.166.181] (helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GK8Md-0007iv-2n for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 02:55:23 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so2379719pye for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:44:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gcyMLPkTWfCvNxxzevICAMMKNTAtF0V0UEK5HATiyumCHAbrZ28XNZyGJ6he3k+uHfcdzpE6qdrurv/BHzlYkNmFvzUAZWBCTPiUNQi+qFa31xHvTwKA6KjfpNLe3mgZzHTTRR4QK8ncjftqQpw6dyl6T2KDyU/NrcI0YnXndU8= Received: by 10.65.122.20 with SMTP id z20mr2705075qbm; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.102? ( [82.125.88.31]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e19sm3462343qbe.2006.09.03.23.44.32; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44FBCB55.6070003@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 08:44:37 +0200 From: Frederic Bezies User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1 (X11/20060901) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.111 "Tweedy" References: <44FB3C3A.9050609@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <44FB3C3A.9050609@rebelbase.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 06:44:35 -0000 Le 03.09.2006 22:35, Charles Kerr a écrit : > This week's release fixes a handful of crashers, has faster header > downloads and filtering, and has a much smaller memory footprint in very > large newsgroups. Wow ;) > > Although Pan's bug reports have been getting fewer and more minor, > this week bucked the trend with a handful of serious bugs reported. > So due to a bigger number of code changes than expected, > 0.111 is not "1.0 release candidate 1" as previously announced. > [thanks and bugs squashed] Maybe next time ? Anyway, thanks for it ;) -- Frederic Bezies - fredbezies@gmail.com From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 04 05:28:51 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKAl9-0002ed-6J for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 05:28:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKAl7-0002eT-Eb for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 05:28:49 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKAl4-0002eG-Sj for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 05:28:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKAl4-0002eD-Lj for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 05:28:46 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKAvY-0001Zf-Jv for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 05:39:37 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GKAkt-0005Gq-18 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:28:35 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:28:35 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:28:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 09:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 125 Message-ID: References: <44FB1910.4050801@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Watched Articles filter is 'stuck' X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 09:28:50 -0000 "Nat Gross" posted cf66298c0609031704h14f75286u70867e084173b8f6@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:04:27 -0400: >> As you may have read by now, 0.14.x is unmaintained now and is unlikely to >> have further updates. > Thanks for the detail. I need to work on that. Since I have always > used yum to pull in the latest updates I am aurprised to hear that I > don't have the latest. And I just ran yum and didn't find a later > version of pan. I have many repos enabled in yum (Fedora 5) including > livna and freshrpm's. So, questions: > 1) Which repos should I point yum to, to get the latest. > 2) Is it ok to upgrade in the position that I am now? It's likely not in a repo directly, just yet. See, the deal is new-pan is a totally new rewrite in C++, starting from 0.90 with betas. The first ones were pretty rough, but along about 0.98 or so it started getting usable, and we're getting pretty close to a stable release, which will be 1.0, now with 0.111. 0.111 was going to be rc1, but Charles decided there were still a few too many bugs left for that (as you can probably see from the announcement). Still, it's getting very close. We're still targeting the end of this month for 1.0 I believe. It's unlikely the repos will actually have the update until the 1.0 release, if they haven't been carrying them yet. You can however find builds for various distributions at the usual pan home page at http://pan.rebelbase.com. Or, you can simply build it from sources. With gcc-4.x, it's not too bad, altho with the late 3.4 series it takes something like 3 gig of memory and virtual memory (swap) in ordered to compile. (With 4.x it's more like 2-300 meg, /much/ more reasonable!) As far as switching, the new pan uses a different directory (~/.pan2 instead of the old ~/.pan, by default, but it'll look for the $PAN_HOME env. variable and use that location if it can), so if desired (and allowed by your package manager), you can even run both versions in parallel for awhile, until you are comfortable with the new version. The new version is QUITE different, in several ways. First, memory use is VASTLY better on large to huge groups (millions of headers), and so is performance. Pan no longer virtually grinds to a halt @ a couple hundred thousand headers like it used to. As a result of the improvements, it also loads far faster -- you can't go make coffee while you wait for it to load, like you could do before, after it got a sizable database anyway. =8^) The other BIG change is multi-server handling. This has been talked about for a LONG time, but it finally got done. If you have only a single server, you won't notice the difference. If you have multiple servers, you certainly will, as instead of having each server's groups set up in that server, there's now one big huge group list, with all groups from all servers in it. There are server priorities as well. From the GUI the choices are main (1) and backup (2), but you can set as many priority levels as desired by editing the servers.xml file. (There are a number of other settings that have more possibilities when editing the config files directly, as well.) There's a lot of other changes too, smaller ones, but many of them are related to the new multi-server handling in some way. In terms of config file compatibility, some are close, some not. Pan tracks newsgroup activity with standard newsrc files now, one per server, where it used to be an option. You may be able to export to rcfile in old-pan and then replace the empty ones first created by new-pan when it creates a new server. (Of course, do the replace when pan is shut down.) The caveat there is that I don't remember how pan treated multiple servers in terms of newrc file, with the old pan. As mentioned, the new one is one per server. The score file is nominally compatible as well, but new-pan is stricter to slrn's scorefile standards, the biggest change being old-pan took regex for the newsgroup lines in the scorefile, while new-pan uses *-wildcard style newsgroup matching. Other matches remain regex however, except that all matching (group and regex) is case insensitive. If you are going to have to manually edit your score file anyway, you might as well do it right and combine all the scores into compound versions, reducing the number drastically, as I did here. From nearing 100 scores in old-pan (I regularly weeded out the expired ones), I now have six scoring rules in two sections, according to pan's log. Here's the reference URL: http://www.slrn.org/docs/score.txt. I /think/ the raw cache files are compatible too, as they're all simply as taken off the wire, with message-ids as filenames, but I might be wrong on that. Everything else is pretty different: all the preference files, the accels.txt because the names of all the entries are different (which you can still edit manually but not in the PAN GUI any more), various other metadata files, etc. One thing interesting to note is that pan now stores its task list as a standard xml formatted nzb file, making it easy to import into anything else that takes nzbs. It's also possible to feed pan an nzb from the command line and have it fetch the posts, so you can import nzb files into pan. One of the big issues people have been running into with the groups from all their servers in one big list is that it gets too big to be manageable. A lot of folks prefer to keep their text groups in one place, and their binaries (which they may not want just anyone seeing) in another. The big list isn't categorized, making that inconvenient. However, I mentioned the $PAN_HOME var above. It's relatively easy to have two or more separate instances of pan, running with different home dirs as set in that variable. Here, I have three, a binaries instance, a text-group instance (which has gmane as one of the servers, which is how I follow this list =8^), and a "testing" instance, for visiting groups that I probably won't be subscribing to, at least not for long. I may eventually split up my binaries into two or more separate instances as well. That's a quick rundown. You may wish to upgrade now, or wait for 1.0. Either way, this info will come in handy. You may have other questions once you start running it. Go ahead and post them when you do. It's possible you'll run into a few bugs, too. Testing and filing bugs is pretty important right now, as we want to quash as many as possible before 1.0. 1.0 has been a very long time coming, so we want it to be a good one! (That said, there are a few features that won't make it until the pre-1.1 series. As an example, we have scoring in the new pan, but nothing like the rules that were in old-pan, so it's impossible to auto-delete killed posts as I used to, and auto-mark-read neg-score posts as I used to as well. These features won't make it into 1.0, and may well be implemented differently when the do appear.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 04 11:00:42 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKFwI-000321-50 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:00:42 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKFwH-00030q-52 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:00:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKFwF-0002z5-JH for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:00:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKFwF-0002yq-C7 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:00:39 -0400 Received: from [149.84.147.232] (helo=meriadoc.alfred.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKG6m-0001cB-R0 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:11:32 -0400 Received: from [149.84.26.165] (chucknorris.campus.alfred.edu [149.84.26.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by meriadoc.alfred.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k84F0bOE027709; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:00:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-1-833664846" Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Esham Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:00:07 -0400 To: Benjamin Esham X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Pan 0.110 won't post more than one article X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:00:41 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-1-833664846 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Benjamin Esham wrote: >> Since I updated to Pan 0.110 I can't seem to post more than one =20 >> article in a session. > > This seems to have been fixed in 0.111. Rest assured that if I get =20= > the problem again I'll post about it ;-) (Replying to myself yet again=85) OK, I'm still getting this behavior with 0.111. I'll try recompiling =20= the various libraries Pan uses, and then Pan itself, and see if that =20 helps. --=20 Benjamin D. Esham bdesham@gmail.com | AIM: bdesham128 | Jabber: same as e-mail Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia =95 http://en.wikipedia.org --Apple-Mail-1-833664846 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE/D+IzOC3TdZ2u5oRAho2AJ9Ne5sriBiyRRPEf0JlZzeo/LAgcwCeIY54 MJEi36q9VRUrggnhQEGNCuU= =NxN2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1-833664846-- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 04 11:55:25 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKGnF-0001aN-0h for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:55:25 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKGnC-0001Sb-2D for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:55:22 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKGn9-0001OA-Uy for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:55:21 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKGn9-0001NZ-FR for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:55:19 -0400 Received: from [198.116.72.9] (helo=alpha1.bigelow.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKGxh-0001uz-CV for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:06:13 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=www.bigelow.org) by alpha1.bigelow.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GKGoE-0000Ao-7F for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:56:26 -0400 Received: from 24-50-104-225.agstme.adelphia.net ([24.50.104.225]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user bcb) by www.bigelow.org with HTTP; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1290.24.50.104.225.1157385386.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:56:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bruce Bowler" To: pan-users@nongnu.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-1.fc5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: [Pan-users] Problem w 0.111 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:55:22 -0000 Starting with 0.111, (Win XP MCE, pan D/L'ed today from http://panbuilds.googlepages.com/), when I start up pan, the queue gets filled with groups to update, they appear not to do anything (task list says "get new headers for {fill in group names}") but... if I delete the tasks from the task list, "hey presto" there are lots of new items in the groups. I didn't see this behaviour in 0.110 or prior. Is it me or are others seeing this behaviour? Bruce From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 04 13:16:34 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKI3m-0000Mp-DE for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:16:34 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKI3k-0000L6-HZ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:16:32 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKI3j-0000K7-PZ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:16:32 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKI3j-0000Jx-Fv for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:16:31 -0400 Received: from [66.249.82.230] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKIEI-0007Lz-Dq for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:27:26 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so2130387wxc for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 10:16:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PdOCMSscOQHxP9uOuaw2/QHrhMgpEGhE4c9O9VICtbRgJhR9+CKydbWy02Yw34N14oS4ZPB7F+Gr26mDOrBhzPGms7HYLn7YnPNO5phfFJanH+RpSvRGbZe4VtTqIT4rwN9/C6AauufGE0GSpBQYISK5zixy27SXslVYwCO5xs4= Received: by 10.70.56.4 with SMTP id e4mr8046054wxa; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 10:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.132.16 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 10:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:16:29 -0400 From: "Nat Gross" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Watched Articles filter is 'stuck' In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44FB1910.4050801@rebelbase.com> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:16:32 -0000 Thank you much for the detail! I think I'll wait for 1.0 and cleanup my situation as described in the previous post, so that I go to 1.0 "clean". nat On 9/4/06, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > "Nat Gross" posted > cf66298c0609031704h14f75286u70867e084173b8f6@mail.gmail.com, excerpted > below, on Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:04:27 -0400: > > >> As you may have read by now, 0.14.x is unmaintained now and is unlikely to > >> have further updates. > > Thanks for the detail. I need to work on that. Since I have always > > used yum to pull in the latest updates I am aurprised to hear that I > > don't have the latest. And I just ran yum and didn't find a later > > version of pan. I have many repos enabled in yum (Fedora 5) including > > livna and freshrpm's. So, questions: > > 1) Which repos should I point yum to, to get the latest. > > 2) Is it ok to upgrade in the position that I am now? > > It's likely not in a repo directly, just yet. See, the deal is new-pan is > a totally new rewrite in C++, starting from 0.90 with betas. The first > ones were pretty rough, but along about 0.98 or so it started getting > usable, and we're getting pretty close to a stable release, which will be > 1.0, now with 0.111. 0.111 was going to be rc1, but Charles decided there > were still a few too many bugs left for that (as you can probably see from > the announcement). Still, it's getting very close. We're still > targeting the end of this month for 1.0 I believe. > > It's unlikely the repos will actually have the update until the 1.0 > release, if they haven't been carrying them yet. You can however find > builds for various distributions at the usual pan home page at > http://pan.rebelbase.com. Or, you can simply build it from sources. With > gcc-4.x, it's not too bad, altho with the late 3.4 series it takes > something like 3 gig of memory and virtual memory (swap) in ordered to > compile. (With 4.x it's more like 2-300 meg, /much/ more reasonable!) > > As far as switching, the new pan uses a different directory (~/.pan2 > instead of the old ~/.pan, by default, but it'll look for the $PAN_HOME > env. variable and use that location if it can), so if desired (and allowed > by your package manager), you can even run both versions in parallel for > awhile, until you are comfortable with the new version. > > The new version is QUITE different, in several ways. First, memory use is > VASTLY better on large to huge groups (millions of headers), and so is > performance. Pan no longer virtually grinds to a halt @ a couple hundred > thousand headers like it used to. As a result of the improvements, it > also loads far faster -- you can't go make coffee while you wait for it to > load, like you could do before, after it got a sizable database anyway. =8^) > > The other BIG change is multi-server handling. This has been talked about > for a LONG time, but it finally got done. If you have only a single > server, you won't notice the difference. If you have multiple servers, > you certainly will, as instead of having each server's groups set up in > that server, there's now one big huge group list, with all groups from all > servers in it. There are server priorities as well. From the GUI the > choices are main (1) and backup (2), but you can set as many priority > levels as desired by editing the servers.xml file. (There are a number of > other settings that have more possibilities when editing the config files > directly, as well.) > > There's a lot of other changes too, smaller ones, but many of them are > related to the new multi-server handling in some way. > > In terms of config file compatibility, some are close, some not. Pan > tracks newsgroup activity with standard newsrc files now, one per server, > where it used to be an option. You may be able to export to rcfile in > old-pan and then replace the empty ones first created by new-pan when it > creates a new server. (Of course, do the replace when pan is shut down.) > The caveat there is that I don't remember how pan treated multiple servers > in terms of newrc file, with the old pan. As mentioned, the new one is > one per server. > > The score file is nominally compatible as well, but new-pan is stricter to > slrn's scorefile standards, the biggest change being old-pan took regex > for the newsgroup lines in the scorefile, while new-pan uses *-wildcard > style newsgroup matching. Other matches remain regex however, except that > all matching (group and regex) is case insensitive. If you are going to > have to manually edit your score file anyway, you might as well do it > right and combine all the scores into compound versions, reducing the > number drastically, as I did here. From nearing 100 scores in old-pan (I > regularly weeded out the expired ones), I now have six scoring rules in > two sections, according to pan's log. Here's the reference URL: > http://www.slrn.org/docs/score.txt. > > I /think/ the raw cache files are compatible too, as they're all simply as > taken off the wire, with message-ids as filenames, but I might be wrong on > that. > > Everything else is pretty different: all the preference files, the > accels.txt because the names of all the entries are different (which you > can still edit manually but not in the PAN GUI any more), various other > metadata files, etc. > > One thing interesting to note is that pan now stores its task list as a > standard xml formatted nzb file, making it easy to import into anything > else that takes nzbs. It's also possible to feed pan an nzb from the > command line and have it fetch the posts, so you can import nzb files into > pan. > > One of the big issues people have been running into with the groups from > all their servers in one big list is that it gets too big to be > manageable. A lot of folks prefer to keep their text groups in one place, > and their binaries (which they may not want just anyone seeing) in > another. The big list isn't categorized, making that inconvenient. > However, I mentioned the $PAN_HOME var above. It's relatively easy to > have two or more separate instances of pan, running with different home > dirs as set in that variable. Here, I have three, a binaries instance, a > text-group instance (which has gmane as one of the servers, which is how I > follow this list =8^), and a "testing" instance, for visiting groups that > I probably won't be subscribing to, at least not for long. I may > eventually split up my binaries into two or more separate instances as > well. > > That's a quick rundown. You may wish to upgrade now, or wait for 1.0. > Either way, this info will come in handy. You may have other questions > once you start running it. Go ahead and post them when you do. It's > possible you'll run into a few bugs, too. Testing and filing bugs is > pretty important right now, as we want to quash as many as possible before > 1.0. 1.0 has been a very long time coming, so we want it to be a good > one! (That said, there are a few features that won't make it until the > pre-1.1 series. As an example, we have scoring in the new pan, but > nothing like the rules that were in old-pan, so it's impossible to > auto-delete killed posts as I used to, and auto-mark-read neg-score posts > as I used to as well. These features won't make it into 1.0, and may well > be implemented differently when the do appear.) > > -- > Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. > "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- > and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pan-users mailing list > Pan-users@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users > From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 04 13:51:11 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIbH-0003B3-Ir for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:51:11 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIbF-00038Q-Sp for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:51:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIbE-00035R-26 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:51:09 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIbD-00035G-Tn for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:51:07 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKIlm-0004T8-TK for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:02:03 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIaq-000850-JR for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:50:44 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:50:44 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:50:44 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:50:18 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <44FB1910.4050801@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Watched Articles filter is 'stuck' X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:51:10 -0000 "Nat Gross" posted cf66298c0609041016o3c9795e4y18e590eb5ad769f1@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:16:29 -0400: > Thank you much for the detail! I think I'll wait for 1.0 and cleanup > my situation as described in the previous post, so that I go to 1.0 > "clean". > nat ... And thanks for the followup! =8^) It's always gratifying to see someone find my hard work useful. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 04 14:02:21 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIm5-00081g-42 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:02:21 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIm3-00080v-B3 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:02:19 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIm2-00080a-LF for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:02:18 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIm2-00080X-Fi for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:02:18 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKIwb-0005Yu-FQ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:13:13 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIlo-00022y-Bk for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:02:04 +0200 Received: from cpe-69-204-146-227.nycap.res.rr.com ([69.204.146.227]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:02:04 +0200 Received: from jjvcuyler by cpe-69-204-146-227.nycap.res.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:02:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Jack Cuyler" Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 18:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <1290.24.50.104.225.1157385386.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpe-69-204-146-227.nycap.res.rr.com User-Agent: pan 0.110 (Beable Beable) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Problem w 0.111 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:02:19 -0000 On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:56:26 -0400, Bruce Bowler wrote: > Starting with 0.111, (Win XP MCE, pan D/L'ed today from > http://panbuilds.googlepages.com/), when I start up pan, the queue gets > filled with groups to update, they appear not to do anything (task list > says "get new headers for {fill in group names}") but... if I delete the > tasks from the task list, "hey presto" there are lots of new items in the > groups. > > I didn't see this behaviour in 0.110 or prior. > > Is it me or are others seeing this behaviour? I've experienced this intermittently with 0.110 since applying the patch in this bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=353334 It looks like that patch opened up a new can of worms. I've as yet been able to reproduce the behaviour consistently, so while I can confirm it exists, I can't give a method to reproduce it. -- Cheers, Jack I WILL STOP PHONING IT IN I WILL STOP PHONING IT IN I WILL STOP PHONING IT IN I WILL STOP PHONING IT IN Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode BABF06 From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 04 14:15:31 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIyp-0003Fo-BJ for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:15:31 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIyo-0003FM-7o for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:15:30 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIyl-0003Ez-HE for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:15:29 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKIyl-0003Ew-Ez for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:15:27 -0400 Received: from [212.18.0.9] (helo=mail-out.m-online.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKJ9K-0000Ks-TI for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:26:23 -0400 Received: from mail01.m-online.net (svr21.m-online.net [192.168.3.149]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F3173C73 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 20:13:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: ObHZ5BG0DcPMrH7/4m15ub62tKx4dZ1GQEIvv5xT79c= Received: from bm617259.muenchen.org (ppp-82-135-69-135.dynamic.mnet-online.de [82.135.69.135]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2ACE92565 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 20:13:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: by bm617259.muenchen.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1F518732C5B; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 20:21:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 20:21:21 +0200 From: Christian Lohmaier To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Problem w 0.111 Message-ID: <20060904182120.GD25227@bm617259.muenchen.org> Mail-Followup-To: pan-users@nongnu.org References: <1290.24.50.104.225.1157385386.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1290.24.50.104.225.1157385386.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:15:30 -0000 Hi *, On Mon, Sep 04, 2006 at 11:56:26AM -0400, Bruce Bowler wrote: > Starting with 0.111, (Win XP MCE, pan D/L'ed today from > http://panbuilds.googlepages.com/), when I start up pan, the queue gets > filled with groups to update, they appear not to do anything (task list > says "get new headers for {fill in group names}") but... if I delete the > tasks from the task list, "hey presto" there are lots of new items in the > groups. > > I didn't see this behaviour in 0.110 or prior. > > Is it me or are others seeing this behaviour? It's not you alone, I see this as well, although not everytime. I thought it was some bad header that caused it to hickup, since when I closed and reopened pan everything worked OK for a while. But today I hit this problem again. When trying to read a post after it it stuck doesn't work either. You only get the "arrow"-mark (to show that it is queued), but I did not have the patience to actually wait for it... (using leafnode) ciao Chritian From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 04 14:23:54 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKJ6w-0003y7-Oc for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:23:54 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKJ6u-0003xL-Lj for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:23:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKJ6t-0003wl-27 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:23:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKJ6s-0003wi-Tu for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:23:50 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKJHS-00019l-Dj for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:34:46 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GKJ6U-0006Hy-FV for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:23:26 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-176-74.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.176.74]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:23:26 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-176-74.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:23:26 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 18:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 29 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-176-74.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] [0.111] 'Save As' dialog -- a question for Charles X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:23:52 -0000 I've posted this idea before, but I'd really like to get feedback from Charles before any release candidates go out. Question: which one of us is backwards? ;o) My problem with the existing 'Save As' dialog is this: When the 'Save As' dialog pops up, the 'Custom Path' radio button is pre-selected. Now, because I almost always want to save attachments to the *Default* path for that particular group, I have to stop and click on the 'Default Path for Group' radio button every time. To me, this is just backwards: the 'Default' path is the one that I want 99.9% of the time, so that one is the choice that should be pre-selected, not the 'Custom Path'. If, on the other hand, I have not taken the trouble to specify a default directory for that group, *then* the 'Custom Path' should be pre-selected, and of course I still have the option to specify a group- specific path if I want to. If anyone doesn't understand my question, please yell. If anyone thinks I'm wrong please tell me why. (With the exception of my wife, who thinks I'm always wrong.) Thanks, Charles! From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 04 14:33:50 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKJGY-0002Yt-AK for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:33:50 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKJGW-0002Wu-TJ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:33:48 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKJGV-0002U8-6i for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:33:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKJGU-0002Tm-Tn for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:33:46 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKJR4-0001rs-Ab for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:44:42 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GKJGC-0008Nz-La for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:33:30 +0200 Received: from cpe-69-204-146-227.nycap.res.rr.com ([69.204.146.227]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:33:28 +0200 Received: from jjvcuyler by cpe-69-204-146-227.nycap.res.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:33:28 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Jack Cuyler" Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 18:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpe-69-204-146-227.nycap.res.rr.com User-Agent: pan 0.110 (Beable Beable) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] OT - Re: [0.111] 'Save As' dialog -- a question for Charles X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:33:49 -0000 On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:22:46 +0000, walt wrote: > I'm wrong please tell me why. (With the exception of my wife, who thinks > I'm always wrong.) If a man says something in the woods, and no woman is around to hear him, is he still wrong? -- Cheers, Jack MY SUSPENSION WAS NOT "MUTUAL" MY SUSPENSION WAS NOT "MUTUAL" MY SUSPENSION WAS NOT "MUTUAL" MY SUSPENSION WAS NOT "MUTUAL" Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode BABF10 From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 04 17:55:09 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKMPN-0005lC-GV for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:55:09 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKMPK-0005gd-Gx for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:55:06 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKMPH-0005b9-23 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:55:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKMPG-0005au-Pm for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:55:02 -0400 Received: from [206.46.252.44] (helo=vms044pub.verizon.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKMZs-0006hw-6V for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:06:00 -0400 Received: from MATRIX2 ([71.113.92.56]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J53001GK8UJ5GW2@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:54:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:54:17 -0700 From: "Travis" To: "PAN" Message-id: <005f01c6d06c$ace67e70$6501a8c0@MATRIX2> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AcbQbKqQNQIKInDhTtSSyXKRXpCVuQ== Subject: [Pan-users] View read articles? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:55:07 -0000 Pan 0.110 on Win XP How do I view read articles in a subscribed group? I marked them all read and didn't mean to. Thanks. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 05 05:35:10 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKXKo-0008RW-GF for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:35:10 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKXKm-0008RD-Lf for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:35:08 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKXKj-0008Om-Qx for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:35:07 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKXKj-0008Oj-L8 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:35:05 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKXVR-000725-RF for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:46:10 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GKXKb-0004MQ-Gr for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:34:57 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:34:57 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:34:57 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <005f01c6d06c$ace67e70$6501a8c0@MATRIX2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: View read articles? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 09:35:09 -0000 "Travis" posted 005f01c6d06c$ace67e70$6501a8c0@MATRIX2, excerpted below, on Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:54:17 -0700: > Pan 0.110 on Win XP > How do I view read articles in a subscribed group? I marked them all > read and didn't mean to. Turn off the "Match Only Unread Articles" filter. On the toolbar, it's in the group of buttons to the right of the message-header search box, the first button to the left in that group, the icon is a funnel with a pale yellow (eggshell white I guess) envelope beside it. When the filter is applied, hiding read articles, the button should appear depressed. In the menu, it's under View, Header Pane, top entry of the third section down, "Match Only Unread Articles". If the entry has a check by it, it's applied. If that doesn't unhide them, then it isn't that they are read, but either scored as killed (toggle that filter), or deleted (get all headers from the server again, not just new headers, and hope the messages haven't expired on the server yet). -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 05 05:55:50 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKXeo-0007JP-6X for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:55:50 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKXem-0007Fj-F2 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:55:48 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKXek-0007CU-Ql for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:55:47 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKXek-0007CG-Ht for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:55:46 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKXpS-0001QE-C5 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 06:06:51 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GKXeR-0000Hm-Tt for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:55:28 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:55:27 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:55:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:55:12 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: [0.111] 'Save As' dialog -- a question for Charles X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 09:55:49 -0000 "walt" posted edhqtm$fe6$1@sea.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:22:46 +0000: > I've posted this idea before, but I'd really like to get > feedback from Charles before any release candidates go > out. Question: which one of us is backwards? ;o) > > My problem with the existing 'Save As' dialog is this: > > When the 'Save As' dialog pops up, the 'Custom Path' > radio button is pre-selected. Now, because I almost > always want to save attachments to the *Default* path > for that particular group, I have to stop and click > on the 'Default Path for Group' radio button every > time. > > To me, this is just backwards: the 'Default' path is > the one that I want 99.9% of the time, so that one is > the choice that should be pre-selected, not the 'Custom > Path'. > > If, on the other hand, I have not taken the trouble > to specify a default directory for that group, *then* > the 'Custom Path' should be pre-selected, and of > course I still have the option to specify a group- > specific path if I want to. > > If anyone doesn't understand my question, please yell. > If anyone thinks I'm wrong please tell me why. (With > the exception of my wife, who thinks I'm always wrong.) The question is perfectly understandable, and I agree, the current behavior doesn't seem logical from here, either. If I've set the default location, I want it to be the default, not something I have to select to get, or it rather defeats the purpose. You are correct, this /should/ be examined before 1.0 stable, if not before rc-1. In fact, I was going to bug it but then switched things around a bit and hadn't set a new default so I forgot about it. I'd suggest bugging it, if you can't find a bug already entered for it. As usual when I suggest such things, post the bug number or URL here and I'll comment on it too, here, 100% agreeing. As for your wife, she apparently doesn't think you're /always/ wrong, or you'd be calling her your ex-wife! =8^) In fact, give her current status, at least at one point she apparently considered you so right you were "Mr. Right!" =8^) As I said, the fact that said status remains, indicates that's not /entirely/ changed, at least. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 05 08:40:38 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKaEI-0002b1-33 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:40:38 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKaEG-0002a7-Kv for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:40:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKaEE-0002Yg-Nq for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:40:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKaEE-0002YO-G4 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:40:34 -0400 Received: from [66.249.82.228] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKaOy-0007WJ-Kf for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:51:40 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so2460010wxc for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:40:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=gv4tSU5+kR50bnHBaWdwqHRbbFLEv2sKtCPDBQnRIFCUVpTRv1uhypJoZbLceDGYzr9sh7QDIC6540SFyDM+eYmsz33esGLteOzexhYoFAG1u9/aQl2y2pFMDhT7Qgy8T/5O7dq/Umd5ZhTp5vpJmo1PY5ktha7y/VGhQarJN70= Received: by 10.90.52.18 with SMTP id z18mr1314732agz; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.116.11 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 05:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5caa9b870609050540t1f3fbc41o3629ac299958b532@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 13:40:33 +0100 From: "Steve Davies" To: pan-users@nongnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [Pan-users] (no subject) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:40:37 -0000 Hi, I've had a report of a problem using the Pan Win32 installers I posted at http://davies147.googlepages.com/ Has anyone else had any success with these? I have had no problems myself. Thanks for any feedback. Steve From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 05 11:38:44 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKd0e-00043E-FW for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:38:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKd0d-00042E-8B for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:38:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKd0a-0003y0-G8 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:38:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKd0a-0003xr-8Q for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:38:40 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKdBL-0007G6-VT for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:49:48 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GKd00-0000Hs-6p for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:38:04 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:38:04 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:38:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 15:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <5caa9b870609050540t1f3fbc41o3629ac299958b532@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: (no subject) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:38:43 -0000 "Steve Davies" posted 5caa9b870609050540t1f3fbc41o3629ac299958b532@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:40:33 +0100: > I've had a report of a problem using the Pan Win32 installers I posted > at http://davies147.googlepages.com/ > > Has anyone else had any success with these? I have had no problems myself. ... And here we have a demonstration of why pan pops up a warning when one tries to post with no subject. =8^0 -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 05 11:48:17 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKd9t-0002Rm-NW for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:48:17 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKd9s-0002Qe-4P for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:48:16 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKd9p-0002PA-N0 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:48:15 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKd9p-0002P2-1B for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:48:13 -0400 Received: from [64.233.184.233] (helo=wr-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKdKa-0008CT-R3 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:59:20 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so602054wri for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:48:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=DgB5PZnDOHlQrKv7N1nqxoQzdtgRwPibo4bOHnwCldpQ933mxeMyE0sP06GQ+yKiSnQy2K/u8xxyMgcbu1fBu8wpg410kDP/Wa5xQU02oiS9OYKvuSRNxvv9o37bG9r5pO3S95cVvG2szsUisshKeGg43gIj3oTjgfQ22j0mdzg= Received: by 10.90.78.9 with SMTP id a9mr1571400agb; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.116.11 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 08:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5caa9b870609050848x461b9081ne3cb825c61a9214d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 16:48:12 +0100 From: "Steve Davies" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Pan Win32 installers okay anyone? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:48:16 -0000 On 9/5/06, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > "Steve Davies" posted on Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:40:33 +0100: > > > I've had a report of a problem using the Pan Win32 installers I posted > > at http://davies147.googlepages.com/ > > > > Has anyone else had any success with these? I have had no problems myself. > > ... And here we have a demonstration of why pan pops up a warning when one > tries to post with no subject. =8^0 I did THINK of posting a followup "apology" for that, but thought instead I would keep the noise down... Ho hum. Sadly I can't usefully run Pan at work with no NNTP access. From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 05 11:59:03 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKdKJ-0005OI-48 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:59:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKdKF-0005Ff-F4 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:59:00 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKdKC-00058m-3u for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:58:56 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKdKB-00057u-Lf for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:58:55 -0400 Received: from [206.46.252.46] (helo=vms046pub.verizon.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKdUv-0000iB-Vh for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:10:02 -0400 Received: from MATRIX2 ([71.113.92.56]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J5400CT4MVYCKK2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:55:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:55:10 -0700 From: "Travis" Subject: RE: [Pan-users] Re: View read articles? In-reply-to: To: Message-id: <006501c6d103$ab253fd0$6501a8c0@MATRIX2> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AcbQzp6j5cSolzoLSi+FnvLbeeqF+gANPYUg X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:59:01 -0000 ----Original Message---- From: pan-users-bounces+travis.shorelinewa=verizon.net@nongnu.org [mailto:pan-users-bounces+travis.shorelinewa=verizon.net@nongn u.org] On Behalf Of Duncan Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 02:35 To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org Subject: [Pan-users] Re: View read articles? > "Travis" posted > 005f01c6d06c$ace67e70$6501a8c0@MATRIX2, excerpted below, on Mon, 04 > Sep 2006 14:54:17 -0700: > >> Pan 0.110 on Win XP >> How do I view read articles in a subscribed group? I marked them all >> read and didn't mean to. > > Turn off the "Match Only Unread Articles" filter. > > On the toolbar, it's in the group of buttons to the right of > the message-header search box, the first button to the left > in that group, the icon is a funnel with a pale yellow > (eggshell white I guess) envelope beside it. When the filter > is applied, hiding read articles, the button should appear depressed. > > In the menu, it's under View, Header Pane, top entry of the > third section down, "Match Only Unread Articles". If the > entry has a check by it, it's applied. > > If that doesn't unhide them, then it isn't that they are > read, but either scored as killed (toggle that filter), or > deleted (get all headers from the server again, not just new > headers, and hope the messages haven't expired on the server yet). Thank you. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 05 13:41:58 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKevu-0003AL-Kz for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:41:58 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKevs-00039s-VH for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:41:57 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKevq-00034s-Ge for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:41:56 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKevq-00034j-CW for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:41:54 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKf6d-0006OE-2H for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:53:03 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GKevK-0003c2-Ee for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:41:22 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:41:22 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:41:22 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 17:40:51 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <5caa9b870609050848x461b9081ne3cb825c61a9214d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Pan Win32 installers okay anyone? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:41:57 -0000 "Steve Davies" posted 5caa9b870609050848x461b9081ne3cb825c61a9214d@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:48:12 +0100: > On 9/5/06, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: >> "Steve Davies" >> posted on Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:40:33 +0100: >> >> ... And here we have a demonstration of why pan pops up a warning when >> one tries to post with no subject. =8^0 > > I did THINK of posting a followup "apology" for that, but thought > instead I would keep the noise down... Ho hum. Sadly I can't usefully > run Pan at work with no NNTP access. Let's just hope that pan gets the same type of "mentioned an attachment but didn't include one" warning that kmail has, if pan ever supports attachment posting. I made that mistake several times in mail before the kmail devs "worked around the bug in the wetware we don't have the source to, so we can't fix the real problem", for me. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 05 18:17:44 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKjEm-0006f1-L6 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:17:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKjEl-0006ee-6C for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:17:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKjEk-0006eJ-IN for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:17:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKjEk-0006eG-BN for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:17:42 -0400 Received: from [198.116.72.9] (helo=alpha1.bigelow.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKjEl-0001mS-2T for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:17:43 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=www.bigelow.org) by alpha1.bigelow.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GKjFr-0006ig-Up for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:18:52 -0400 Received: from 24-50-104-225.agstme.adelphia.net ([24.50.104.225]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user bcb) by www.bigelow.org with HTTP; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 18:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1124.24.50.104.225.1157494731.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> In-Reply-To: <1290.24.50.104.225.1157385386.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> References: <1290.24.50.104.225.1157385386.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 18:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Problem w 0.111 From: "Bruce Bowler" To: pan-users@nongnu.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-1.fc5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:17:43 -0000 > Starting with 0.111, (Win XP MCE, pan D/L'ed today from > http://panbuilds.googlepages.com/), when I start up pan, the queue gets > filled with groups to update, they appear not to do anything (task list > says "get new headers for {fill in group names}") but... if I delete the > tasks from the task list, "hey presto" there are lots of new items in the > groups. > > I didn't see this behaviour in 0.110 or prior. > > Is it me or are others seeing this behaviour? Minor update... When I posted yesterday, I was listing the contents of the "queue window" from memory. Today, I'll cut and paste... (rats, I can't, but I'll type "verbatim" Getting new headers for "alt.os.linux.ubuntu" 100% Done; Queued Where a.o.l.u is replaced as needed by any of the groups I subscribe to. Still, deleting the entry from the queue updates the unread count in the group pane. This is, so far, 100% reproducable on my Windows version of pan, 0.111 Bruce From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 05 18:36:58 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKjXO-00011J-Ln for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:36:58 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKjXM-00010q-S2 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:36:56 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKjXK-0000zD-HB for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:36:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKjXK-0000zA-Bg for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:36:54 -0400 Received: from [64.233.166.176] (helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKjXK-0003SC-Kd for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:36:55 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z74so2798993pyg for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:36:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:to:subject:from:content-type:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:user-agent; b=spggUqaGiT+8FWYcRP2pnDqsqAK9dTNwgyydoUYxIVEDBPkoak3hR0NShzoP/xsZ1448KaZWDUIk+/XwsJOT4j/N5NcG0QPS55x246LPt+voX5Uk8oB+U8H/lDhfx2AeXzH6MhzqfquM6R6gjh2zPdM5Xny/HZPFhXZ5tCpX9Tg= Received: by 10.35.46.6 with SMTP id y6mr13422826pyj; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thepub ( [58.84.77.200]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id w63sm6667442pyw.2006.09.05.15.36.17; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 08:05:38 +0930 To: pan-users@nongnu.org From: arndalebilo Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.01 (Linux) Subject: [Pan-users] Tools menu in Pan 0.111 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:36:57 -0000 I've taken to building Pan from source in order to get the spellchecker working in SUSE 10.1. All went well with 0.110 and 0.111, but where are 'rules', 'edit score file' etc? Will it be back in 1.0 or did I not configure something? From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 05 22:32:22 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKnDC-0005kT-3Q for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:32:22 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKnDA-0005gV-6z for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:32:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKnD9-0005ex-7N for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:32:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKnD8-0005eb-Vm for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:32:19 -0400 Received: from [64.233.162.193] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKnDC-0005hk-6h for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:32:22 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id x7so1061176nzc for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:32:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GOHIgP9koMHDQoYxt7lKLq1U1yyMkpF4B0rDji8qXpNS411eRI00Hqz+BglLjN3ToafxIz9NwxXfNDJNDjUlzE4cDX9JR0nPzncUO0fFDm21kZeku4ZYENSnniUSq9TG8pkjwCGfm5ZirVrUhBv3XMZKmajY4JpOGoBi5vDf0uU= Received: by 10.65.84.4 with SMTP id m4mr5677928qbl; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.252.12 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6aabc090609051932m71f3e3b9p314c5a4d33128cbf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 16:32:17 -1000 From: "Kevin Brammer" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] [0.111] 'Save As' dialog -- a question for Charles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 02:32:20 -0000 On 9/4/06, walt wrote: > I've posted this idea before, but I'd really like to get > feedback from Charles before any release candidates go > out. Question: which one of us is backwards? ;o) > > My problem with the existing 'Save As' dialog is this: > > When the 'Save As' dialog pops up, the 'Custom Path' > radio button is pre-selected. Now, because I almost > always want to save attachments to the *Default* path > for that particular group, I have to stop and click > on the 'Default Path for Group' radio button every > time. > > To me, this is just backwards: the 'Default' path is > the one that I want 99.9% of the time, so that one is > the choice that should be pre-selected, not the 'Custom > Path'. > > If, on the other hand, I have not taken the trouble > to specify a default directory for that group, *then* > the 'Custom Path' should be pre-selected, and of > course I still have the option to specify a group- > specific path if I want to. > > If anyone doesn't understand my question, please yell. > If anyone thinks I'm wrong please tell me why. (With > the exception of my wife, who thinks I'm always wrong.) > > Thanks, Charles! > > I totally agree as well. I was just logging in to search the discussions to see if this had come up yet. I prefer the old releases' behavior of right-click -> save article attachments, and away it went. No dialog or anything. Aloha, Kevin From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 05 23:32:10 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKo94-0006oH-Qq for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:32:10 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKo93-0006lg-I2 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:32:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKo91-0006in-Fs for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:32:08 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKo91-0006ia-9u for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:32:07 -0400 Received: from [71.33.232.145] (helo=net.lxux.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKo94-0001b8-WF for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:32:11 -0400 Received: by net.lxux.com (Postfix, from userid 128) id EB819161EE4; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: [Pan-users] [0.111] 'Save As' dialog -- a question for Charles In-Reply-To: <6aabc090609051932m71f3e3b9p314c5a4d33128cbf@mail.gmail.com> To: pan-users@nongnu.org Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:31:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL100 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20060906033155.EB819161EE4@net.lxux.com> From: jim@lxux.com (Jim Reiss) X-Lxux-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: jim@lxux.com X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 03:32:10 -0000 > I totally agree as well. I was just logging in to search the > discussions to see if this had come up yet. I prefer the old > releases' behavior of right-click -> save article attachments, and > away it went. No dialog or anything. Ditto. It's one of the main reasons I keep switching back to the old CVS version. The dialog is just awkward. I typically only used the dialog in the old version when I wanted the tasks at the start of the queue or wanted a special save location, which was uncommon. From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 06 01:31:44 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKq0m-0004nI-1H for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:31:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKq0k-0004lC-0r for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:31:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKq0i-0004kO-QQ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:31:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKq0i-0004k1-KS for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:31:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKq0n-0002Yz-KT for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:31:45 -0400 Received: from [64.233.166.181] (helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKq0i-00050f-03 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:31:40 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so3335968pye for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:30:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=plA4COjLXVFf+PMyDT6nB7plHAPsvduPyvwknc1VS/ZINN+OC7aSYQeh9KXV7NLjtZ4xUNwDmKGd4H6qI2f9HBEQowXp2wHv/SAwrRVaLYSMdryLwrTvw1nDJGyGA4EEkDdLuJoH+iPchVPl18kukcf9sitKgJEGf2sqsRNHgMU= Received: by 10.65.251.1 with SMTP id d1mr8145229qbs; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.252.12 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6aabc090609052230m3f09b9a0rfb14bd499f633168@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:30:38 -1000 From: "Kevin Brammer" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] [0.111] 'Save As' dialog -- a question for Charles In-Reply-To: <20060906033155.EB819161EE4@net.lxux.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6aabc090609051932m71f3e3b9p314c5a4d33128cbf@mail.gmail.com> <20060906033155.EB819161EE4@net.lxux.com> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:31:42 -0000 On 9/5/06, Jim Reiss wrote: > > I totally agree as well. I was just logging in to search the > > discussions to see if this had come up yet. I prefer the old > > releases' behavior of right-click -> save article attachments, and > > away it went. No dialog or anything. > Ditto. It's one of the main reasons I keep switching back to the old CVS > version. The dialog is just awkward. I typically only used the dialog > in the old version when I wanted the tasks at the start of the queue or > wanted a special save location, which was uncommon. > > Looks like it's already filed as Bug #350527 (feature request). Kevin From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 06 01:47:18 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKqFq-0004Yg-Fs for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:47:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKqFo-0004VJ-H7 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:47:16 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKqFo-0004Tr-1x for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:47:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKqFm-0004TV-On for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:47:14 -0400 Received: from [64.233.182.185] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKqFr-00049T-Mx for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:47:19 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p46so173647nfa for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:47:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sGB4a483ssrndLpiKNpnAyNHs1hYO9YALyk0Vt9cxnUUZZlQfDmm1aj6e9k3A2oBvd6/zA9FqxCZOj9mUSRlKg0ajiCBFFz66i0KdBCe+nYqm4k86oa6yQMflnLIY2ZfbATjv4WssdqO+CTdSAep/rRNc+VGZC6IfqA0VyvJKoM= Received: by 10.48.162.15 with SMTP id k15mr396722nfe; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.102? ( [86.196.148.36]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a23sm467515nfc.2006.09.05.22.47.12; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44FE60DE.3050606@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 07:47:10 +0200 From: Frederic Bezies User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1 (X11/20060905) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Tools menu in Pan 0.111 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:47:16 -0000 Le 06.09.2006 00:37, arndalebilo a écrit : > > I've taken to building Pan from source in order to get the spellchecker > working in SUSE 10.1. > All went well with 0.110 and 0.111, but where are 'rules', 'edit score > file' etc? Not there for now. Maybe not until pre-1.1 versions. > > Will it be back in 1.0 or did I not configure something? > You did not made any mistakes. -- Frederic Bezies - fredbezies@gmail.com From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 06 04:14:13 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKsY1-0007WA-CZ for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 04:14:13 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKsXy-0007SP-B7 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 04:14:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKsXw-0007OI-2V for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 04:14:09 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKsXv-0007Nj-Sj for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 04:14:07 -0400 Received: from [206.46.252.48] (helo=vms048pub.verizon.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKsY2-0007r9-Db for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 04:14:14 -0400 Received: from MATRIX2 ([71.113.92.56]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J5500L66W69S84K@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 03:13:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:13:20 -0700 From: "Travis" To: "PAN" Message-id: <007701c6d18c$516c8190$6501a8c0@MATRIX2> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AcbRjFCmGI0ZAXe9QHyqvrPpBFoKJQ== Subject: [Pan-users] Pan 0.110 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 08:14:10 -0000 When trying to post I get an "Unknown Group" warning. I know it is a good group because I can read others posts in the group. I have tried 2 different groups with the same outcome. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 06 05:24:10 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKtdi-0006Tx-Ay for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:24:10 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKtdg-0006OE-5T for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:24:08 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKtdd-0006HY-Eb for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:24:06 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKtdd-0006Gk-7B for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:24:05 -0400 Received: from [195.135.220.15] (helo=mx2.suse.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKtdk-0003Xw-9X for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:24:12 -0400 Received: from Relay2.suse.de (mail2.suse.de [195.135.221.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665E21FBF5 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 11:24:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Tools menu in Pan 0.111 From: Daniel Rahn To: pan-users@nongnu.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:24:01 +0200 Message-Id: <1157534641.13239.6.camel@whitestar.suse.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:24:08 -0000 On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 08:05 +0930, arndalebilo wrote: > I've taken to building Pan from source in order to get the spellchecker > working in SUSE 10.1. The beta packages I provide all have the spellchecker turned on. Just add this repo to your installation sources and you will get the weekly betas on Monday the latest: http://software.opensuse.org/download/repositories/home:/sdrahn/SUSE_Linux_10.1/ Of course you are free to compile Pan yourself ;-) -Daniel From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 06 05:51:16 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GKu3v-0006IW-Uq for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:51:15 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKu3v-0006Gy-12 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:51:15 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GKu3t-0006E2-8v for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:51:14 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKu3t-0006Dt-5Q for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:51:13 -0400 Received: from [85.159.58.240] (helo=mail2.its-linux.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKu40-0006GZ-Au for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:51:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 14819 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 09:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk) (86.3.144.249) by 85.159.58.240 with SMTP; 6 Sep 2006 09:44:13 -0000 Received: by chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 502) id 432201FB43; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 10:51:10 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Marshall MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17662.39437.939436.814994@faure.chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 10:51:09 +0100 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Problem w 0.111 In-Reply-To: <1124.24.50.104.225.1157494731.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> References: <1290.24.50.104.225.1157385386.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> <1124.24.50.104.225.1157494731.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 for GNU Emacs 22.0.50.27 using tc 0.11.4 X-Attribution: rajm X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:51:15 -0000 On Tue, 5 Sep 2006, Bruce Bowler wrote: > > When I posted yesterday, I was listing the contents of the "queue window" > from memory. Today, I'll cut and paste... (rats, I can't, but I'll type > "verbatim" > > Getting new headers for "alt.os.linux.ubuntu" > 100% Done; Queued > > Where a.o.l.u is replaced as needed by any of the groups I subscribe to. > > Still, deleting the entry from the queue updates the unread count in the > group pane. This is, so far, 100% reproducable on my Windows version of > pan, 0.111 > I think this is similar to the problem I was having (17649.51854.451522.605261@faure.chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk) how many newsservers are you using? Though I did have this issue in 0.110 as well as 0.111 - and in my case this is Mandriva 2006 Robert -- Links and things http://rmstar.blogspot.com/ Robert Marshall From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 06 16:06:36 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GL3fQ-0001kq-NA for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:06:36 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GL3fP-0001kR-2l for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:06:35 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GL3fL-0001hI-Hd for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:06:33 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL3fL-0001h0-CN for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:06:31 -0400 Received: from [64.233.166.177] (helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GL3fY-0002Dr-Nk for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:06:44 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so3645669pye for ; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:06:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:to:subject:from:content-type:mime-version:references:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=a5YbTQMYU5g9KJY7Vs8dPm2jcnSV4ReFkiO02s9qAyWm8XwQ3T+Q3zK7F0TdvP6rkT0rmqgalN0oRMPB2pvs/COxHgWAjfaNoBFxXLLnGq//7DQG2IK0vAthShhHl37XImRRENlNRMYKCCZA6w2hDsKTaCWsM8kgyvKt12kM5Bg= Received: by 10.35.103.1 with SMTP id f1mr15412236pym; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thepub ( [58.84.66.153]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i72sm8221971pye.2006.09.06.13.06.27; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 05:35:43 +0930 To: "pan-users@nongnu.org" Subject: Fwd: Re: [Pan-users] Tools menu in Pan 0.111 From: arndalebilo Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1157534641.13239.6.camel@whitestar.suse.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1157534641.13239.6.camel@whitestar.suse.de> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.01 (Linux) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:06:35 -0000 ------- Forwarded message ------- From: "Daniel Rahn" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Cc: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Tools menu in Pan 0.111 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:54:01 +0930 On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 08:05 +0930, arndalebilo wrote: > I've taken to building Pan from source in order to get the spellchecker > working in SUSE 10.1. The beta packages I provide all have the spellchecker turned on. Just add this repo to your installation sources and you will get the weekly betas on Monday the latest: http://software.opensuse.org/download/repositories/home:/sdrahn/SUSE_Linux_10.1/ Of course you are free to compile Pan yourself ;-) That's what I've done with 0.110 and 0.111 - no more probs with the spell-check but no 'rules' etc. in the menus. I used a rule to automatically download articles for offline reading. Guess I'll have to try 0.14.2 from source. _______________________________________________ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 06 17:01:47 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GL4Wp-0005nn-AD for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:01:47 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GL4Wo-0005lb-6w for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:01:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GL4Wn-0005jz-0g for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:01:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL4Wm-0005jk-T1 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:01:44 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GL4X0-0000c7-IT for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:01:58 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GL4Wf-00058j-ME for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:01:37 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:01:37 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:01:37 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Tools menu in Pan 0.111 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:01:46 -0000 arndalebilo posted op.tfffpoh2wdngvm@thepub, excerpted below, on Wed, 06 Sep 2006 08:05:38 +0930: > I've taken to building Pan from source in order to get the spellchecker > working in SUSE 10.1. > All went well with 0.110 and 0.111, but where are 'rules', 'edit score > file' etc? > > Will it be back in 1.0 or did I not configure something? Currently, pan has scoring (the new scorefile format is a bit stricter to slrn however so the file formats aren't identical), but no feature equivalent to old-pan's rules. If you depended on rules and did text-groups-only or otherwise didn't run into the memory scaling or multi-server handling problems that new-pan handles far better, it may be worthwhile to stay with the old version for now. Do note, however, that new-pan has a command-line mode that can be used for download for offline reading. That may or may not be a suitable substitute, as it's an entirely different feature, but I see you mentioned offline reading further down the thread so maybe the command-line fetching will do what you need. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 06 17:21:23 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GL4pn-0001ey-4b for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:21:23 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GL4pl-0001ZZ-4c for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:21:21 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GL4pj-0001Uc-9s for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:21:20 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL4pj-0001UV-5s for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:21:19 -0400 Received: from [64.233.166.183] (helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GL4px-0002Ir-Ah for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:21:33 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so3667827pye for ; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:21:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:to:subject:from:content-type:mime-version:references:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=KfCgCliQV9DtZHv8N51aRYgXzj5vQtiCmJI3C4Y+uaptr9iMBet6EfgkDm7pXb8D1rcLbJq6mGk0PklQ+c+QO1X7MQAp7i46zinKQ5TLk+yQJUWMVTk75PMMTkmWD9E8SSbNLU2p9H/d66aZYRIVD+MrR6sNYGMI0c/yK+i6Gks= Received: by 10.35.78.13 with SMTP id f13mr15529178pyl; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thepub ( [58.84.66.153]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id t5sm8283720pyc.2006.09.06.14.21.16; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:50:33 +0930 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Tools menu in Pan 0.111 From: arndalebilo Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.01 (Linux) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:21:21 -0000 On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:31:16 +0930, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > > Do note, however, that new-pan has a command-line mode that can be used > for download for offline reading. That sounds like what I need. Will look into it. Thanks. -- Using Opera's rather ordinary but functional e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 06 18:26:48 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GL5r5-0004gp-Ts for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:26:47 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GL5r3-0004gD-RI for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:26:45 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GL5r1-0004fu-Qv for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:26:44 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL5r1-0004fr-LU for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:26:43 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GL5rG-0000Jk-58 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:26:58 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GL5ql-0003aA-Vo for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 00:26:27 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 00:26:27 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 00:26:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 22:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Tools menu in Pan 0.111 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:26:46 -0000 arndalebilo posted op.tfg6wjzgwdngvm@thepub, excerpted below, on Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:50:33 +0930: > On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:31:16 +0930, Duncan > <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > >> Do note, however, that new-pan has a command-line mode that can be used >> for download for offline reading. > > That sounds like what I need. Will look into it. ... And I was debating omitting that as not really relevant. Glad I didn't! =8^) While I'm at it, I can also mention that you can feed pan an nzb too. =8^) In fact, pan actually stores its regular task list as an nzb file now, thus you can go offline, set the tasks you want, close pan, and import pan's nzb into another app, if desired. =8^) Thus, feeding pan an nzb on the command line is really just feeding it an alternative task list. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 07 22:58:01 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLWZ6-0005NL-P4 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:58:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLWZ3-0005NA-PS for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:57:57 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLWZ2-0005Mw-6y for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:57:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLWZ2-0005Ms-3n for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:57:56 -0400 Received: from [66.249.82.227] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLWZX-0006qH-9O for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:58:27 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so550776wxc for ; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:57:55 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:to:subject:from:content-type:mime-version:references:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=YIXVeSByBkelpgFvv0/0yXwAffNh09G7V3eKNx2OqzqGsV76TtOsUhNLzFgsGwFAYiN2Igr9qJvLHzvzBSjKkjcr24OLctutNXUdLdn6r10HrTbfLb6M3nY5AriJquxJM2ens31ir/GvMvA9FSUNekO+nWhm/rYxqs1HTdjNqeA= Received: by 10.70.37.12 with SMTP id k12mr1875400wxk; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thepub ( [58.84.65.37]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i39sm2236224wxd.2006.09.07.19.57.51; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:27:16 +0930 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Tools menu in Pan 0.111 From: arndalebilo Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.01 (Linux) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:57:58 -0000 On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:56:03 +0930, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:= > arndalebilo posted > op.tfg6wjzgwdngvm@thepub, excerpted below, on Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:50:= 33 > +0930: > >> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:31:16 +0930, Duncan >> <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: >> >>> Do note, however, that new-pan has a command-line mode that can be u= sed >>> for download for offline reading. >> >> That sounds like what I need. Will look into it. > > ... And I was debating omitting that as not really relevant. Glad I > didn't! =3D8^) So what's the syntax? > pan -h Pan 0.111 General Options -h, --help Show this usage page. URL Options news:message-id Show the specified article. news:group.name Show the specified newsgroup. --nogui On news:message-id, dump the article to stdo= ut. NZB Batch Options --nzb file1 file2 ... Process nzb files without launching all of P= an. -o path, --output=3Dpath Path to save attachments listed in the nzb= = files. --nogui Only show console output, not the download = queue. Doesn't give any obvious clues... -- = Using Opera's increasingly annoying e-mail client: = http://www.opera.com/mail/ From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 00:12:04 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLXim-0004JQ-Dm for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:12:04 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLXil-0004Ig-Fr for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:12:03 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLXij-0004Hc-Tj for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:12:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLXij-0004HK-G2 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:12:01 -0400 Received: from [64.233.162.197] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLXjF-0004MJ-JU for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:12:33 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so266110nzf for ; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:12:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=cf2rzLcMuebaM66eTpTV2UfnrZ8b9Zs5cHY56qq7ne+Buxp0YYdES816fPcfFK1pzE1DOB3O7xQnOQAohBQEuV/yXCEyW73cnEwavSzeCy0Eg6gmvognuHoL8fvm7lZ+0mHzmgOc3Zf3nD+vW9S0i4N0nBjp795LbshYvx39WXs= Received: by 10.64.193.9 with SMTP id q9mr1337914qbf; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.252.12 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6aabc090609072112j297c196dy549cb1430c9677fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:12:00 -1000 From: "Kevin Brammer" To: pan-users@nongnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_147654_31481922.1157688720220" Subject: [Pan-users] Start up error on 0.111 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:12:03 -0000 ------=_Part_147654_31481922.1157688720220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Whenever I try to start PAN now, I get the following: bash-3.00$ /opt/pan2/bin/pan pan: fptools.c:455: _FP_fgets: Assertion `*buf' failed. Aborted It worked this morning before I left for work. Now this. :\ Ideas? ------=_Part_147654_31481922.1157688720220 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Whenever I try to start PAN now, I get the following:

bash-3.00$ /opt/pan2/bin/pan
pan: fptools.c:455: _FP_fgets: Assertion `*buf' failed.
Aborted

It worked this morning before I left for work. Now this.  :\

Ideas?
------=_Part_147654_31481922.1157688720220-- From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 03:05:17 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLaQP-0005zG-0I for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 03:05:17 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLaQN-0005sx-CP for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 03:05:15 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLaQL-0005pY-R0 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 03:05:15 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLaQL-0005pA-Nz for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 03:05:13 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLaQt-0004x1-7q for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 03:05:47 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLaQ9-00063z-R3 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:05:01 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:05:01 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:05:01 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 08:00:36 +0100 Lines: 11 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] pan window is too wide X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:05:15 -0000 The pan window is the wrong size, it's too wide and too tall. It's so tall that I can't scroll groups, and so wide that I can't see the entire menu. Clicking on the "maximize" button has no effect. I'm running FC5 and pan 0.14.2.91 from GNOME. How can I resize the pan window? thanks, Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 11:46:43 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLiZ1-0001yo-B0 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:46:43 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLiYy-0001vd-Ot for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:46:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLiYw-0001tE-Tb for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:46:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLiYw-0001t0-O9 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:46:38 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLiZR-00089g-2s for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:47:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 19798 invoked by uid 140); 8 Sep 2006 15:47:43 -0000 Received: from nat.nssl.noaa.gov (HELO ?172.16.20.176?) (charles@129.15.69.8) by rebelbase.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 15:47:43 -0000 Message-ID: <45019047.9020201@rebelbase.com> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:46:15 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org References: <1157534641.13239.6.camel@whitestar.suse.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Pan-users] Rules (was: Tools menu in Pan 0.111) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:46:41 -0000 arndalebilo wrote: > That's what I've done with 0.110 and 0.111 - no more probs with the > spell-check but no 'rules' etc. in the menus. I used a rule to > automatically download articles for offline reading. Guess I'll have > to try 0.14.2 from source. Most of what had been in the `Tools' menu has been moved to other menus, but `Rules' haven't made it back in the rewrite due to lack of interest. The only uses of `Rules' that I've heard of with any frequency were (1) automatically delete some articles, and (2) automatically fetch (i.e., cache) other articles. IMO a simpler interface for this would be checkboxes in Edit|Preferences|Behavior: [x] Automatically delete ignored articles [x] Automatically fetch watched articles It sounds like you're wanting something similar to this for offline reading. Does this sound like a good idea to you? cheers, Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 11:56:12 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLiiC-0002eL-P0 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:56:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLiiA-0002VA-Cp for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:56:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLii8-0002NS-4j for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:56:09 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLii7-0002Mm-Pu for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:56:07 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLiik-0004BO-Bl for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:56:46 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLihR-0006hD-Dw for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:55:25 +0200 Received: from jshlaptop.dnsdhcp.provo.novell.com ([137.65.60.62]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:55:25 +0200 Received: from hendersj by jshlaptop.dnsdhcp.provo.novell.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:55:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Jim Henderson Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:54:59 -0600 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jshlaptop.dnsdhcp.provo.novell.com User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2 (This is not a psychotic episode. It's a cleansing moment of clarity.) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: pan window is too wide X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:56:10 -0000 Try ALT+F10 (this should maximize the window to the current screen size). I occasionally run into this when I switch resolutions on my laptop; pan remembers the 1400x1050 size settings, but my monitor only does 1280x1024 so I use this to work around that. Jim From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 12:46:19 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLjUg-0002xs-Fz for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:46:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLjUe-0002uN-1M for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:46:16 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLjUc-0002si-P3 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:46:15 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLjUc-0002sc-Jb for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:46:14 -0400 Received: from [198.116.72.9] (helo=alpha1.bigelow.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLjVF-0000xu-M7 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:46:53 -0400 Received: from modis.bigelow.org ([198.116.72.71]) by alpha1.bigelow.org with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GLjVn-0006p8-3C for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:47:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:46:07 -0400 From: Bruce Bowler To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Rules (was: Tools menu in Pan 0.111) Message-Id: <20060908124607.8ffeecd7.bbowler@bigelow.org> In-Reply-To: <45019047.9020201@rebelbase.com> References: <1157534641.13239.6.camel@whitestar.suse.de> <45019047.9020201@rebelbase.com> Organization: Bigelow Laboratory for Ocean Sciences X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-Face: v+UF4Z>0d78P@NEi$CL76~J-)K=P2%F*J)|57&0r]G:>E{~HZ3yPnII"M\1,S1vo=Q7l(+lZEohK9Cz$|K&\E*#, List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:46:16 -0000 On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:46:15 -0500 Charles Kerr put fingers to keyboard and said: > > IMO a simpler interface for this would be checkboxes in > Edit|Preferences|Behavior: > > [x] Automatically delete ignored articles > [x] Automatically fetch watched articles YES!!! -- +-------------------+---------------------------------------------------+ Bruce Bowler | Luck is when preparation meets with opportunity. - 1.207.633.9600 | Vince Lombardi bbowler@bigelow.org | +-------------------+---------------------------------------------------+ From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 14:30:13 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLl7F-0000H5-0B for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:30:13 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLl7D-0000EO-NG for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:30:11 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLl7B-00009J-Li for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:30:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLl7B-00008W-AZ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:30:09 -0400 Received: from [64.233.166.182] (helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLl7p-0006o0-J7 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:30:49 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so865709pye for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:30:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:to:subject:from:content-type:mime-version:references:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=c1L8ekYPTBP9GRWNekWLRKTrUT3m8V4vkfz1i9e8SOKfm4sqGAuvvAdXP3ZEmgyedmklNCZ87vfj4MroT5LScH1cXmpu9DJToW0lpQpsU2AscRLDC+vLGDuCztgDIHoYOAYwbpa9rYRHEI2TtMClSGqhZo/oVgIwP7uuynYtBUY= Received: by 10.35.106.15 with SMTP id i15mr4072660pym; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thepub ( [58.84.78.89]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id w28sm467372pyc.2006.09.08.11.30.05; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:59:30 +0930 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Rules (was: Tools menu in Pan 0.111) From: arndalebilo Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1157534641.13239.6.camel@whitestar.suse.de> <45019047.9020201@rebelbase.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45019047.9020201@rebelbase.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.01 (Linux) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:30:12 -0000 On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 01:16:15 +0930, Charles Kerr wrote: > arndalebilo wrote: > >> That's what I've done with 0.110 and 0.111 - no more probs with the >> spell-check but no 'rules' etc. in the menus. I used a rule to >> automatically download articles for offline reading. Guess I'll have >> to try 0.14.2 from source. > > Most of what had been in the `Tools' menu has been moved to other menus, > but `Rules' haven't made it back in the rewrite due to lack of interest. > > The only uses of `Rules' that I've heard of with any frequency were > (1) automatically delete some articles, and > (2) automatically fetch (i.e., cache) other articles. > > IMO a simpler interface for this would be checkboxes in > Edit|Preferences|Behavior: > > [x] Automatically delete ignored articles > [x] Automatically fetch watched articles > > It sounds like you're wanting something similar to this for offline > reading. Does this sound like a good idea to you? Absolutely! The only other thing I would want is an option in the 'new scoring rule' dialog to filter on the xref header - to block xposts from a specific group. In the past I've put this in by hand but haven't tried it with the new pan. Not sure if slrn ever supported it or not. -- Using Opera's braindead thread-munging e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 14:44:55 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLlLT-0004wL-3S for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:44:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLlLR-0004rw-Au for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:44:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLlLQ-0004pp-Hm for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:44:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLlLQ-0004pP-9m for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:44:52 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLlM4-0008JM-HZ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:45:32 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLlKt-00061z-As for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:44:19 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:44:19 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:44:19 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 18:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: pan window is too wide X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:44:53 -0000 Jim Henderson posted pan.2006.09.08.15.54.59.15327@mindspring.com, excerpted below, on Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:54:59 -0600: > Try ALT+F10 (this should maximize the window to the current screen size). > > I occasionally run into this when I switch resolutions on my laptop; pan > remembers the 1400x1050 size settings, but my monitor only does 1280x1024 > so I use this to work around that. It's also possible that the OP is running in a very low resolution mode, say 800x600 or the like. Pan works best with at least 1024x768 resolution, as many of its dialogs, plus button layout and the like on the main window, assume that. The button bar on 0.111 pan looks to be roughly 860 px long, here, so at 800 px wide, 800x600 would simply not be wide enough. I recall similar issues with old-pan, 0.14.x, and 800x600 resolution. 1024x768 was the assumed minimum screen size on it as well, tho 960x720 or similar might work. (Here I'm running dual 21" monitors, 400x300mm viewable, normally in the native resolution of 1600x1200 each, stacked for 1600x2400. I've run them as high as 2048x1536 each, stacked for 2048x3072, but that was a bit much. In any case, pan and kmail are about the only two apps I regularly maximize to even one monitor, let alone both. I do often maximize pan to both monitors in the binary groups, however, to be able to deal with both the many thousands of headers at a time, and display of most still images in full size. Running out of room for the pan toolbar isn't a problem I personally run into. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 15:16:07 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLlpf-0007Vn-8Z for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:16:07 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLlpd-0007Ta-SD for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:16:05 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLlpb-0007OD-3k for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:16:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLlpa-0007Ne-R9 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:16:02 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLlqF-0002S9-6F for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:16:43 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLlpQ-0004aE-Cm for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:15:52 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:15:52 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:15:52 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: <6aabc090609072112j297c196dy549cb1430c9677fa@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Start up error on 0.111 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 19:16:06 -0000 "Kevin Brammer" posted 6aabc090609072112j297c196dy549cb1430c9677fa@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:12:00 -1000: > Ideas?
Whenever I try to start PAN now, I get the > following:

bash-3.00$ /opt/pan2/bin/pan
pan: fptools.c:455: > _FP_fgets: Assertion `*buf' failed.
Aborted

It worked this > morning before I left for work. Now this.  :\ >

Ideas?
_______________________________________________ > Pan-users mailing list If you /must/ use HTML in your posts, please at least don't do it in the pan groups. HTML posts are considered by many to be the domain of spammers and crackers, so there's a reason pan doesn't support them, and as you can see from the above quote, they aren't pleasant to look at using pan or other non-HTML clients as well. To your problem... assuming you didn't leave a system update going when you left for work or that your general system isn't otherwise different now than it was when it worked, you've probably somehow corrupted the pan database. You can rename your ~/.pan2 dir (the default location, the . beginning the filename will hide the dir by default) and pan should work normally, recreating the directory when it starts, but you'll lose your configuration, cache, and read message memory. If losing everything pan had stored is a problem for you (as it definitely would be for me), you can narrow down the issue to a specific file by trial and error. Copy a bit of the original configuration back at a time, restarting pan to see if it works or not, then quitting pan and either copying more in or deleting part of what you just copied in, until you find the problem file. The files are named fairly descriptively, and I'd start with copying the preferences and servers files, then the newsrc files, etc. Treat the cache dir as a single unit initially. Once you find the file that's the problem, you can open it in your favorite text editor and see if you can find the specific problem therein, or simply delete that file and recreate it from scratch. I've used this method of troubleshooting many times over the years, on many different problems and programs, even back on MSWormOS with parts of the registry. It works. One good thing about it is that after you've done it a few times, you get a feel for where the problem is likely to be, and can therefore narrow down the problem far faster than the first few times. For instance, I run KDE as my desktop of choice, and it's not unusual that a perfectly working configuration with one version will partially break after an upgrade. Having done this a few times, I now know rather more about the logic of KDE's config layout, and can very often rename only a single file, and be right with the guess the first time. Once that's confirmed, I'll move into the file, zooming in on the specific config portion that's a problem if possible (that is, if the program starts but part of it crashes or is corrupt, so I know where to look in terms of config section), and often end up with only a single setting to reconfigure. I can often find, confirm, fix the problem, and restore the setting to the way I like it of desired, in five or ten minutes, vs the hour or two it often takes the first time you try it, when you don't yet know what you are doing or how the app arranges stuff. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 16:09:16 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLmf6-0005eM-7c for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:09:16 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLmf4-0005YN-12 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:09:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLmf3-0005Xp-Jo for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:09:13 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLmf3-0005Xc-E8 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:09:13 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLmfi-0007aD-2L for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:09:54 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLmeh-0007X8-6t for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:08:51 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:08:51 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:08:51 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 89 Message-ID: References: <1157534641.13239.6.camel@whitestar.suse.de> <45019047.9020201@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Rules (was: Tools menu in Pan 0.111) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:09:14 -0000 Charles Kerr posted 45019047.9020201@rebelbase.com, excerpted below, on Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:46:15 -0500: > The only uses of `Rules' that I've heard of with any frequency were > (1) automatically delete some articles, and > (2) automatically fetch (i.e., cache) other articles. > > IMO a simpler interface for this would be checkboxes in > Edit|Preferences|Behavior: > > [x] Automatically delete ignored articles > [x] Automatically fetch watched articles [x] Automatically mark read negative scored articles > It sounds like you're wanting something similar to this for offline > reading. Does this sound like a good idea to you? Yes, with the above third checkbox option added. More to the point, it's likely that some would prefer to auto-fetch anything with a positive score. It's equally likely that some won't want to delete any messages, only marking read "ignored" messages so they don't have to be seen normally, but can be referred to if necessary to clarify what a followup is referring to. (That's what I use the negative but not ignored zone for, but others may use it differently.) It'd also be nice to have the preferences per group, as someone might want to delete ignored messages (spam) in binary groups, but only mark them read (idiots) in certain text groups where it's possible one might want to refer back to the message later. However, this then gets pretty close to rules once again, and can be achieved by running separate pan sessions (with correspondingly separate settings) for binary and text groups, as I'm already doing. I don't believe the added complexity both in UI and in code therefore merits it. Thus: Pan should do the following automatically: For Ignored articles: (*) Delete ( ) Mark read ( ) Nothing For articles scoring less than zero: ( ) Delete (*) Mark read ( ) Nothing For articles scored more than zero: ( ) Download (*) Nothing For watched articles: (*) Download ( ) Nothing Note that the above is the suggested defaults as well, and that they are now radio buttons, not checkboxes. With this many choices, a new tab might be appropriate, suggested title "Auto". If desired, the options under Behavior, Groups could be here as well (with a couple additional options): For groups: [x] Get new headers on startup [x] Get new headers when entering group [ ] Mark group read when leaving group [ ] Clear cache (message bodies) on shutdown [ ] Clear headers on shutdown [ ] Erase unsubscribed group activity at shutdown Checkboxes here, but again suggested defaults are shown. Checking the last three boxes would in effect implement the "privacy" option that many people pay good money for separate apps to handle, with IE and the like, the last one leaving unsubscribed groups as if they'd never been touched. I could certainly use the last one here, when I go to a testing group (like the startrek group mentioned as a good way to test pan's scaling, earlier), when I'm just browsing groups I decide not to subscribe to, or when I do on-request downloads for friends. Yeah, I can and do keep a testing instance of pan for these cases, and go clean up the filesystem as necessary when I'm done, but it'd be nice to have pan able to handle it automatically. For my testing instance, I'd have all three of those new items checked, and I'd check the unsubscribed cleanup option on my text and binary instances as well. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 16:42:03 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnAp-0002Et-KC for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:42:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnAo-0002Az-4u for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:42:02 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnAm-00024r-MG for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:42:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnAm-00024R-IY for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:42:00 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLnBR-0001gm-UP for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:42:42 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnAU-0005gE-R3 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:41:42 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:41:42 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:41:42 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:41:25 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1157534641.13239.6.camel@whitestar.suse.de> <45019047.9020201@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Rules (was: Tools menu in Pan 0.111) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:42:02 -0000 arndalebilo posted op.tfkobgfbwdngvm@thepub, excerpted below, on Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:59:30 +0930: > The only other thing I would want is an option in the 'new scoring rule' > dialog to filter on the xref header - to block xposts from a specific > group. In the past I've put this in by hand but haven't tried it with the > new pan. Not sure if slrn ever supported it or not. AFAIK, slrn's scoring supports any header, tho they recommend you use only the ones in the overviews if possible, for efficiency reasons (if it's not in the overview the message can't be scored until it is downloaded). It may even support message body scoring. That's been on my wish list for a long time, every since I encountered a nym-shifter that pan had and still has no way of filtering (it was before scoring was added), even tho he did have at least one stable header I could have filtered on, if pan would have simply allowed it. The bug is still open, I believe. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 16:49:31 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnI2-0001lw-PV for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:49:30 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnHz-0001io-GC for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:49:27 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnHx-0001hk-Ii for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:49:27 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnHx-0001hg-DT; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:49:25 -0400 Received: from [149.84.147.232] (helo=meriadoc.alfred.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLnIc-0002cm-OM; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:50:06 -0400 Received: from [149.84.26.165] (chucknorris.campus.alfred.edu [149.84.26.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by meriadoc.alfred.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k88KnNAW016871; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:49:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <1157534641.13239.6.camel@whitestar.suse.de> <45019047.9020201@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-2--947291807" Message-Id: <3E5CF1D6-7F27-4F62-BB7D-E56FC06416FD@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Esham Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Rules (was: Tools menu in Pan 0.111) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:48:54 -0400 To: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Gpgmail-State: signed X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:49:27 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-2--947291807 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Duncan wrote: > If desired, the options under Behavior, Groups could be here as =20 > well (with > a couple additional options): > > For groups: > [x] Get new headers on startup > [x] Get new headers when entering group > [ ] Mark group read when leaving group > [ ] Clear cache (message bodies) on shutdown > [ ] Clear headers on shutdown > [ ] Erase unsubscribed group activity at shutdown Would it conflict greatly with your other idea to add [ ] Get new bodies when downloading headers This would apply to both the automatic header-downloading (as =20 specified in the Behavior pane of the prefs) and the manual =20 downloading (using the Groups menu). See also Bug 350373 (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?=20 id=3D350373) and my comment. Just a thought (I would certainly use it, but I read text groups =20 almost exclusively). Cheers, -- Benjamin D. Esham bdesham@gmail.com | AIM: bdesham128 | Jabber: same as e-mail Esperanto, the international language =E2=98=86 http://www.lernu.net --Apple-Mail-2--947291807 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFAddBzOC3TdZ2u5oRAj0aAKDm5+R/JZZ2YXIHRPRmfASJr+Sj4gCgpdYX KKKOvAnsv8fGDLZAvP0U1D0= =qVc4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-2--947291807-- From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 16:49:31 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnI3-0001m8-4W for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:49:31 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnI0-0001ji-AP for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:49:28 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnHz-0001iq-Iz for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:49:27 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnHx-0001hg-DT; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:49:25 -0400 Received: from [149.84.147.232] (helo=meriadoc.alfred.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLnIc-0002cm-OM; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:50:06 -0400 Received: from [149.84.26.165] (chucknorris.campus.alfred.edu [149.84.26.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by meriadoc.alfred.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k88KnNAW016871; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:49:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <1157534641.13239.6.camel@whitestar.suse.de> <45019047.9020201@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-2--947291807" Message-Id: <3E5CF1D6-7F27-4F62-BB7D-E56FC06416FD@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Esham Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Rules (was: Tools menu in Pan 0.111) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:48:54 -0400 To: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Gpgmail-State: signed X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Cc: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:49:28 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-2--947291807 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Duncan wrote: > If desired, the options under Behavior, Groups could be here as =20 > well (with > a couple additional options): > > For groups: > [x] Get new headers on startup > [x] Get new headers when entering group > [ ] Mark group read when leaving group > [ ] Clear cache (message bodies) on shutdown > [ ] Clear headers on shutdown > [ ] Erase unsubscribed group activity at shutdown Would it conflict greatly with your other idea to add [ ] Get new bodies when downloading headers This would apply to both the automatic header-downloading (as =20 specified in the Behavior pane of the prefs) and the manual =20 downloading (using the Groups menu). See also Bug 350373 (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?=20 id=3D350373) and my comment. Just a thought (I would certainly use it, but I read text groups =20 almost exclusively). Cheers, -- Benjamin D. Esham bdesham@gmail.com | AIM: bdesham128 | Jabber: same as e-mail Esperanto, the international language =E2=98=86 http://www.lernu.net --Apple-Mail-2--947291807 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFAddBzOC3TdZ2u5oRAj0aAKDm5+R/JZZ2YXIHRPRmfASJr+Sj4gCgpdYX KKKOvAnsv8fGDLZAvP0U1D0= =qVc4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-2--947291807-- From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 16:56:39 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnOx-00048u-AG for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:56:39 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnOv-00047Y-3J for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:56:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnOt-00046q-Oi for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:56:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnOt-00046m-KJ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:56:35 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLnPY-0003OP-Tt for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:57:17 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnOa-0000JL-Rn for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:56:17 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:56:16 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:56:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:56:03 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Tools menu in Pan 0.111 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:56:37 -0000 arndalebilo posted op.tfjg5qunwdngvm@thepub, excerpted below, on Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:27:16 +0930: > On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:56:03 +0930, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > >> arndalebilo posted >> op.tfg6wjzgwdngvm@thepub, excerpted below, on Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:50:33 >> +0930: >> >>> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:31:16 +0930, Duncan >>> <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Do note, however, that new-pan has a command-line mode that can be used >>>> for download for offline reading. >>> >>> That sounds like what I need. Will look into it. >> > So what's the syntax? > >> pan -h > Pan 0.111 > > General Options > -h, --help Show this usage page. > > URL Options > news:message-id Show the specified article. > news:group.name Show the specified newsgroup. > --nogui On news:message-id, dump the article to stdout. > > NZB Batch Options > --nzb file1 file2 ... Process nzb files without launching all of Pan. > -o path, --output=path Path to save attachments listed in the nzb > files. > --nogui Only show console output, not the download > queue. > > Doesn't give any obvious clues... > Use the --nzb option with an appropriate nzb file. Use --nogui and -o path as appropriate. Or use news:msg-id. Particularly with the --nzb option, you can download all sorts of stuff to go thru later. Of course, you do need a good source for nzb files, a different problem entirely... Perhaps more to your needs would be simply selecting all the articles, then hitting Download Selected Articles (on the Articles menu). Note that with this, you may need to increase your cache size beyond pan's default 10MB (IIRC). Otherwise it's possible you'll hit max cache and pan will start deleting articles it's just downloaded before you've had a chance to read them! Cache size is an option only for those directly editing their preferences.xml config file at present. For my binary instance of pan, I have the cache symlinked to a dedicated 12 GB partition, with cache size set accordingly. Anyway, with an appropriately sized cache, the download selected action doesn't display or save the articles, and doesn't mark them read, only downloading them to cache, where you can go thru them later. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 17:21:39 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnn8-00029E-UI for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:21:38 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnn7-00028n-Oy for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:21:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnn5-000282-Tq for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:21:37 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnn5-00027s-L5 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:21:35 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLnnl-0006AR-EP for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:22:17 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLnml-0005LV-FP for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:21:16 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:21:15 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:21:15 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:20:47 +0100 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: pan window is too wide X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:21:38 -0000 On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:44:01 +0000, Duncan wrote: > Jim Henderson posted > pan.2006.09.08.15.54.59.15327@mindspring.com, excerpted below, on Fri, 08 > Sep 2006 09:54:59 -0600: > >> Try ALT+F10 (this should maximize the window to the current screen size). >> >> I occasionally run into this when I switch resolutions on my laptop; pan >> remembers the 1400x1050 size settings, but my monitor only does 1280x1024 >> so I use this to work around that. > > It's also possible that the OP is running in a very low resolution mode, > say 800x600 or the like. Pan works best with at least 1024x768 > resolution, as many of its dialogs, plus button layout and the like on the > main window, assume that. The button bar on 0.111 pan looks to be roughly > 860 px long, here, so at 800 px wide, 800x600 would simply not be wide > enough. I recall similar issues with old-pan, 0.14.x, and 800x600 > resolution. 1024x768 was the assumed minimum screen size on it as well, > tho 960x720 or similar might work. [...] Yes, I'm running at 800x600. Now I know the problem, at least. I tested the alt-F10 tip on another window, yes that does maximize the window. However, same problem, the pan window is too wide for the screen resolution. Can I get pan to work at my resolution? thanks, Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 18:22:56 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLokR-0007Ed-Qo for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:22:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLokP-0007Dc-Vi for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:22:54 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLokN-0007B4-B0 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:22:53 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLokM-0007Au-V1 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:22:50 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLol3-0002Ri-F2 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:23:33 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLokF-0006dH-P3 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:22:43 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:22:43 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:22:43 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: pan window is too wide X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:22:54 -0000 Thufir posted pan.2006.09.08.21.20.45.365587@gmail.com, excerpted below, on Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:20:47 +0100: > Yes, I'm running at 800x600. Now I know the problem, at least. I tested > the alt-F10 tip on another window, yes that does maximize the window. > However, same problem, the pan window is too wide for the screen > resolution. > > Can I get pan to work at my resolution? Well, yes and no. Pan "working" should be independent of screen resolution, but at 800x600, some windows at minimum designed size will be bigger than your screen, so you'll only see part of them at once and will have to move them around in ordered to see the entire window. 800x600 resolution hasn't been considered generally usable for some time. Is your system (or your eyes) old enough it can't do better, or is it possible to increase your screen resolution? Are you running a desktop or a laptop? Obviously, if you can increase your screen resolution even to 960x720 or better yet 1024x768, that would eliminate the issue. It may simply be that the install didn't correctly detect your hardware and set up a ridiculously limited max resolution, probably using the wrong xorg driver as well. You may wish to talk to Beartooth (a regular in this group), who ran into similar problems with a Fedora Core install maybe a year ago, as I recall. I don't remember what he did to fix it, but pan had been working just fine but after an upgrade, he was only getting 800x600 and having problems with pan as a result. He did eventually get is regular resolutions back however, I remember that. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 18:28:53 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLoqC-0001fg-PV for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:28:52 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLoqA-0001de-WC for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:28:51 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLoqA-0001cG-9f for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:28:50 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLoqA-0001c8-0V for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:28:50 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLoqq-0002lp-6r for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:29:32 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLoq5-0007ZI-0Y for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:28:45 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:28:45 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:28:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <1157534641.13239.6.camel@whitestar.suse.de> <45019047.9020201@rebelbase.com> <3E5CF1D6-7F27-4F62-BB7D-E56FC06416FD@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Rules (was: Tools menu in Pan 0.111) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:28:51 -0000 Benjamin Esham posted 3E5CF1D6-7F27-4F62-BB7D-E56FC06416FD@gmail.com, excerpted below, on Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:48:54 -0400: > Would it conflict greatly with your other idea to add > > [ ] Get new bodies when downloading headers > > This would apply to both the automatic header-downloading (as > specified in the Behavior pane of the prefs) and the manual > downloading (using the Groups menu). > > See also Bug 350373 (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi? > id=350373) and my comment. Great idea! It's partly done with the automatically download watched messages checkbox, but as your question points out, some users may wish to do it for all messages, not just watched messages. For my text group instance, as you, I'd be one of those users, tho it's no big deal here as I'm on a cable modem and downloading text messages to order is virtually instant. It'd still be nice to do it in what amounts to one shot automatically, rather than downloading overviews, then either selecting all messages and hitting download, or downloading them individually as I go. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." 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Haley" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Rules References: <1157534641.13239.6.camel@whitestar.suse.de> <45019047.9020201@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <45019047.9020201@rebelbase.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig438BBA0CA8905387A97819F9" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:40:59 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig438BBA0CA8905387A97819F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Charles Kerr wrote: > IMO a simpler interface for this would be checkboxes in > Edit|Preferences|Behavior: > > [x] Automatically delete ignored articles > [x] Automatically fetch watched articles Aside from the UI there is a patch in bugzilla to automatically download watched articles. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D107530 --------------enig438BBA0CA8905387A97819F9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFAgAADMrq4AbU59ERAk4wAJwMD3y9AJzPll4wFuLcOXKZhMXlugCgrK25 bQamivTdep71yRnxKmDugr4= =knO4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig438BBA0CA8905387A97819F9-- From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 20:10:27 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLqQV-0003lc-4n for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:10:27 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLqQT-0003hq-0v for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:10:25 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLqQR-0003ew-60 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:10:24 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLqQR-0003et-2O for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:10:23 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLqR8-0001Wj-K6 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:11:06 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLqQA-0001fa-Kb for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:10:06 +0200 Received: from h-68-165-133-52.dnvtco56.dynamic.covad.net ([68.165.133.52]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:10:06 +0200 Received: from hendersj by h-68-165-133-52.dnvtco56.dynamic.covad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:10:06 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Jim Henderson Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:09:54 -0600 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: h-68-165-133-52.dnvtco56.dynamic.covad.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2 (This is not a psychotic episode. It's a cleansing moment of clarity.) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: pan window is too wide X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:10:25 -0000 On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:44:01 +0000, Duncan wrote: > It's also possible that the OP is running in a very low resolution mode, > say 800x600 or the like. Pan works best with at least 1024x768 > resolution, as many of its dialogs, plus button layout and the like on the > main window, assume that. Ah, good point - hadn't thought about that. For the main window, of course, the tabbed view (rather than the 3-pane view) might be better to work with. Jim From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 20:41:41 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLquj-0007tY-AW for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:41:41 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLqui-0007qY-AX for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:41:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLqug-0007oy-Op for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:41:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLqug-0007or-KI for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:41:38 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLqvO-0004Oy-2F for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:42:22 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLquW-0007xk-W0 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:41:29 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:41:28 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:41:28 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 00:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: pan window is too wide X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:41:40 -0000 Jim Henderson posted pan.2006.09.09.00.09.54.69665@mindspring.com, excerpted below, on Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:09:54 -0600: > On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:44:01 +0000, Duncan wrote: > >> It's also possible that the OP is running in a very low resolution mode, >> say 800x600 or the like. Pan works best with at least 1024x768 >> resolution, as many of its dialogs, plus button layout and the like on the >> main window, assume that. > > Ah, good point - hadn't thought about that. For the main window, of > course, the tabbed view (rather than the 3-pane view) might be better to > work with. Trouble is, the toolbar remains the same width, tabbed main window or not. Tabbed works for what is otherwise three panes, but the buttons on the toolbar all remain there and take up the same space regardless. ... I just opened old-pan once again -- I keep it installed for just this purpose -- and verified. The toolbar there remains the same tabbed mode or not, as well. However, it looks to be a bit shorter, barely fitting within 800 pixels at about 790, than new pan. Of course, icon and text size will change that some. That's with the visual scheme I'm using here. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 21:21:42 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLrXR-00016e-SC for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:21:41 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLrXQ-00013Y-Do for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:21:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLrXP-00010S-Id for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:21:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLrXO-0000zO-SZ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:21:38 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLrY7-000773-1u for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:22:23 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLrXC-0007hE-3n for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:21:26 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:21:26 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:21:26 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:20:53 +0100 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: pan window is too wide X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 01:21:41 -0000 On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:41:12 +0000, Duncan wrote: > Jim Henderson posted > pan.2006.09.09.00.09.54.69665@mindspring.com, excerpted below, on Fri, 08 > Sep 2006 18:09:54 -0600: > >> On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:44:01 +0000, Duncan wrote: >> >>> It's also possible that the OP is running in a very low resolution mode, >>> say 800x600 or the like. Pan works best with at least 1024x768 >>> resolution, as many of its dialogs, plus button layout and the like on the >>> main window, assume that. >> >> Ah, good point - hadn't thought about that. For the main window, of >> course, the tabbed view (rather than the 3-pane view) might be better to >> work with. > > Trouble is, the toolbar remains the same width, tabbed main window or not. > Tabbed works for what is otherwise three panes, but the buttons on the > toolbar all remain there and take up the same space regardless. > > ... I just opened old-pan once again -- I keep it installed for just this > purpose -- and verified. The toolbar there remains the same tabbed mode > or not, as well. However, it looks to be a bit shorter, barely fitting > within 800 pixels at about 790, than new pan. Of course, icon and text > size will change that some. That's with the visual scheme I'm using here. Now that I know the solution, I'm googling on fixing my screen resolution. Hopefully it's fixable. Why is do all the other apps I run not have this problem? -Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 22:34:32 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLsfw-0006Jf-Ji for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:34:32 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLsfv-0006Ja-7i for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:34:31 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLsfs-0006JO-Sp for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:34:29 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLsfs-0006JL-MT for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:34:28 -0400 Received: from [64.233.166.179] (helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLsgb-00052m-HB for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:35:13 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so1013533pye for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 19:34:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=s8obitPI9bt1c7dkoslq6Aw1hMPbt8ky+TfvQJW0apV9Dzuq3thGxZh/yxBjzG3KfYe3QZh/LU1gpbE1RgKw2jpG/QDDvA18Y7r8v/GOnsJLlv/XY3T63sM9t7VJYCIz7dj4z1mRSncgMhT4kBlSl9G/9OZb1L/r1+rgS9dwz3I= Received: by 10.65.185.3 with SMTP id m3mr2639987qbp; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 19:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.252.12 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6aabc090609081934o608eab35q69c45bb68da8c515@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:34:27 -1000 From: "Kevin Brammer" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Start up error on 0.111 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6aabc090609072112j297c196dy549cb1430c9677fa@mail.gmail.com> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:34:31 -0000 On 9/8/06, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > "Kevin Brammer" posted > 6aabc090609072112j297c196dy549cb1430c9677fa@mail.gmail.com, excerpted > below, on Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:12:00 -1000: > > > Ideas?
Whenever I try to start PAN now, I get the > > following:

bash-3.00$ /opt/pan2/bin/pan
pan: fptools.c:455: > > _FP_fgets: Assertion `*buf' failed.
Aborted

It worked this > > morning before I left for work. Now this.  :\ > >

Ideas?
_______________________________________________ > > Pan-users mailing list > > If you /must/ use HTML in your posts, please at least don't do it in the > pan groups. HTML posts are considered by many to be the domain of > spammers and crackers, so there's a reason pan doesn't support them, and > as you can see from the above quote, they aren't pleasant to look at using > pan or other non-HTML clients as well. > Damnit, it wasn't supposed to be HTML. I don't know why gmail keeps changing back and forth. I send all emails as text, so there's no reason why it would be on HTML. > To your problem... assuming you didn't leave a system update going when > you left for work or that your general system isn't otherwise different > now than it was when it worked, you've probably somehow corrupted the pan > database. You can rename your ~/.pan2 dir (the default location, the . > beginning the filename will hide the dir by default) and pan should work > normally, recreating the directory when it starts, but you'll lose your > configuration, cache, and read message memory. > [snipped] I tried all that already, and moving .pan2 did work. So, I moved it back and starting digging. Removing the tasks.nzb file seemed to resolve the problem. I'm not sure if PAN wasn't clearing out completed tasks or what. Kevin From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 08 23:04:32 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLt8y-0007l9-Np for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:04:32 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLt8w-0007l4-V9 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:04:31 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLt8u-0007ks-Ho for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:04:29 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLt8u-0007kp-9T for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:04:28 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLt9d-0006lr-6E for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:05:13 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLt8h-0007DR-59 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 05:04:15 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 05:04:15 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 05:04:15 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 03:39:02 +0100 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net In-Reply-To: Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: pan window is too wide X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:04:31 -0000 On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Duncan wrote: [...] > It's also possible that the OP is running in a very low resolution mode, > say 800x600 or the like. Pan works best with at least 1024x768 > resolution, as many of its dialogs, plus button layout and the like on the > main window, assume that. The button bar on 0.111 pan looks to be roughly > 860 px long, here, so at 800 px wide, 800x600 would simply not be wide > enough. I recall similar issues with old-pan, 0.14.x, and 800x600 > resolution. 1024x768 was the assumed minimum screen size on it as well, > tho 960x720 or similar might work. [...] Ok, fixed the resolution, so pan now looks alot better. Thanks for the help, guys. Seriously, though, why does pan require that I set my resolution to a specified threshold? thanks again, Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 09 00:41:07 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLueQ-0002f6-W0 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:41:07 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLueO-0002eX-VE for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:41:05 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLueN-0002cz-CB for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:41:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLueN-0002cw-97 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:41:03 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLuf7-0000Q5-7D for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:41:49 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLueE-0006Fd-VA for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 06:40:54 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 06:40:54 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 06:40:54 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 04:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: pan window is too wide X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 04:41:05 -0000 Thufir posted Pine.LNX.4.64.0609090336490.5046@neenxvf.ubzryvahk.bet, excerpted below, on Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:39:02 +0100: > Ok, fixed the resolution, so pan now looks alot better. Thanks for the > help, guys. > > Seriously, though, why does pan require that I set my resolution to a > specified threshold? Just because that's the number of buttons and the like that it has, I suppose. BTW, new-pan (now 0.111) has an option to turn off the toolbar. I've not tried it, but it's possible with toolbar toggled off that new-pan can work with a smaller window. Actually just tried it. Even with the toolbar on, it'll shrink to ~650 px wide at least with my gtk font and widget scheme (and toggling off the toolbar doesn't seem to make a difference, it's not obvious what's holding it at ~650). Additional buttons go under a down-arrow to the right of the available space. However, it appears it breaks off at a section barrier. Maybe pan 0.14.x has all the buttons in the same section, so there's no way to break it up. Or maybe it breaking in smaller pieces is a feature of a new gtk, and the gtk version you have doesn't do it. It could also be the gtk widget and font theme. If your theme as 22 px square icons in the toolbar, it will of course take more room than if the icons/buttons are 16 px, but less than if they're 32 px. Font size also plays a part, of course. Hmm... just tried 0.14.2.91, and here, it'll shrink to ~780 px wide, so it too should fit in an 800 px wide screen. However, the toolbar does /not/ split off and put some of the buttons under the down-arrow like new-pan does. It's all one piece and is evidently the reason old-pan won't shrink below ~780 here, and they are both running on the same gtk, so obviously it's not a feature of that (unless the issue is compile-time, since I haven't recompiled old-pan against my current gtk, thus maybe it doesn't know the feature exists?). That it was wider than 800 px there is almost certainly due to your gtk scheme, then. Try a scheme with a smaller toolbar icon size, maybe a smaller font size as well, and pan should be able to get smaller to match. Again, 0.14.x seems to shrink to the width of the icons on the toolbar and no further, so that's likely the critical setting for you as well. Anyway, as I said, very few modern desktops run well at less than 1024 px width in any case, nor are many set for less than that, so pan's assumption isn't entirely out of reason. There's even a lot of web sites that simply don't look or work right at less than 1024 px width, a bit frustrating here at 1600 width, when I could put two side-by-side with no overlap if they worked right @ 800 width. That was one nice thing about running 2048 width, most of the time I /could/ run two windows of whatever side-by-side. I'd probably still be running it of the dot-pitch on these monitors was a bit better. However, the dot-pitch is setup such that 1600x1200 is "best" resolution, beyond that and things get blurry so even enlarging fonts to the same size they are blurrier, so 1600x1200 per monitor is the best choice. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 09 00:47:21 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GLukT-0004rt-D8 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:47:21 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLukR-0004p7-U1 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:47:19 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GLukR-0004oq-7A for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:47:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLukR-0004on-3i for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:47:19 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLulB-0000eK-1F for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:48:05 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GLukO-00076U-Iu for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 06:47:16 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 06:47:16 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 06:47:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 04:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <6aabc090609072112j297c196dy549cb1430c9677fa@mail.gmail.com> <6aabc090609081934o608eab35q69c45bb68da8c515@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Start up error on 0.111 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 04:47:20 -0000 "Kevin Brammer" posted 6aabc090609081934o608eab35q69c45bb68da8c515@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:34:27 -1000: > [M]oving .pan2 did work. So, I moved it back and starting digging. > Removing the tasks.nzb file seemed to resolve the problem. I'm not sure > if PAN wasn't clearing out completed tasks or what. It probably got corrupted somehow, as simply unfinished tasks shouldn't have phased pan -- it should have just started right back downloading or whatever. Then again, maybe something else caused pan's initial crash, and it crashed while it was loading the tasks file so that's what corrupted it. Then the corrupted tasks files caused the repeated crashing, even after whatever the original problem was disappeared. (This is assuming your last working pan session closed normally, not with a crash, so it shouldn't have been the reason for a corrupted file.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 09 13:06:05 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GM6HN-0000QU-OY for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 13:06:05 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM6HL-0000OQ-HB for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 13:06:03 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM6HJ-0000MP-Ia for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 13:06:02 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GM6HJ-0000ML-CQ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 13:06:01 -0400 Received: from [64.233.166.177] (helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GM6IA-0006F0-Ms for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 13:06:54 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so1281184pye for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:06:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=FcR+X9iI9zHJ3ibLc1oNxbaRklWepsvFMCQe33xU3c0yh/jhdr6GdUjf2uhQCiSMx91wgwBzZ9GfAW7N4BWlXQOVX32jWyqjtD3dmfY34usU6bCN5bn3mIEXwH7XY9fW01Qdk1G6wSB4Y2THgW2ys5jvtvvp+WSg5xVr4zkdHzY= Received: by 10.65.75.19 with SMTP id c19mr3513393qbl; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.145.9 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 12:05:59 -0500 From: Phil To: pan-users@nongnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_206455_15966736.1157821559715" Subject: [Pan-users] Pan 0.111 shuts down when loading new msgs from group in XFCE X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:06:04 -0000 ------=_Part_206455_15966736.1157821559715 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, I'm new to the mailing-list. I have had a problem with the last 2-3 versions (weekly betas) of Pan. Pan will often completely close down with no error messages when going to a new newsgroup and downloading new msgs. This doesn't happen all the time, but at least a good 30-40% of the time. I'm running the XFCE desktop if that makes any difference (Xubuntu) ------=_Part_206455_15966736.1157821559715 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi,
I'm new to the mailing-list.

I have had a problem with the last 2-3 versions (weekly betas) of Pan.  Pan will often completely close down with no error messages when going to a new newsgroup and downloading new msgs.  This doesn't happen all the time, but at least a good 30-40% of the time.  I'm running the XFCE desktop if that makes any difference (Xubuntu)


------=_Part_206455_15966736.1157821559715-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 09 14:34:07 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GM7eZ-0001D9-0G for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:34:07 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM7eY-0001D4-0v for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:34:06 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM7eW-0001Cs-K4 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:34:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GM7eW-0001Cp-EL for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:34:04 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GM7fO-00024B-BQ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:34:58 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GM7eM-000188-GC for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:33:54 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:33:54 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:33:54 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 18:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Pan 0.111 shuts down when loading new msgs from group in XFCE X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:34:06 -0000 Phil posted d72fd66d0609091005q14c6657cr9252cfd86690b59b@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Sat, 09 Sep 2006 12:05:59 -0500: > Hi,
I'm new to the mailing-list.

I have had a problem with > the last 2-3 versions (weekly > betas) of Pan.  Pan will often completely close down with no error messages when going to a new newsgroup and downloading new msgs.  This doesn't happen all the time, but at least a good 30-40% of the time. >  I'm running the XFCE desktop if that makes any difference > (Xubuntu)


_______________________________________________ > Pan-users mailing list Please keep the HTML off the pan list. Keep in mind that some of us actually use pan (thru gmane.org) to participate on this list, and it doesn't do HTML, nor would we want it to. There are several things you can check for crashes. 1) Often, the file-system effects of a single crash for whatever reason will cause a file corruption, and pan simply won't be stable after that until that corrupt file is removed. This usually results in a 100% reproducable crash however, so this isn't /so/ likely if it's not happening all the time. However, it's always good to eliminate your local config as the issue. Therefore, move pan's working dir (~/.pan2 by default) elsewhere with pan shut down, and see if the problem continues with an entirely fresh config. If the problem disappears, you can recover most of your previous config by trial and error if desired, moving a few files back at a time. (Treat the cache as a single unit at first, and try the preferences and server xml files first, then the newsrcs, etc.) Once you find a group of files that triggers the problem, try individual files within that group. Once you find the individual file, if desired, you can try editing it and find the specific section and/or line that's causing the problem. Of course, if it's not something in pan's config or cache data, starting from scratch won't help, in which case go onto the next step. 2) XFCE isn't as heavy a desktop as either KDE or GNOME, yet tends to be relatively full featured. As such, it's a fairly popular desktop for those running a bit less memory than they'd like. It's possible you are running into memory limits (either ulimit based or full memory based). I bring this up as I had a memory leak in X for awhile (related to EXA/Composite rendering) that was running up against the ulimits I had set to help control the problem. Pan wasn't entirely stable under those conditions and would occasionally simply quit, for no visible reason, other than the X instability related to that memory leak (which now seems fixed, BTW). 3) You can try running pan from a terminal window and see if it leaves any error messages behind when it crashes. 4) If neither of those provide a lead to followup on, consider running pan under gdb (you'll want to ensure it's not stripped of debugging symbols at compile), or possibly using strace. Strace won't provide as detailed an info as basically all it does is hook in where the app calls the system, but it doesn't require an unstripped binary as gdb does for anything useful, and /might/ provide what's needed. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 09 15:37:55 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GM8eJ-0006UG-9n for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 15:37:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM8eH-0006Tb-AY for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 15:37:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM8eF-0006T0-Mx for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 15:37:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GM8eF-0006Ss-Ih for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 15:37:51 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GM8f8-0007rG-6M for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 15:38:46 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GM8e8-000351-GD for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 21:37:44 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-209-168.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.209.168]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 21:37:44 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-209-168.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 21:37:44 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 19:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <6aabc090609072112j297c196dy549cb1430c9677fa@mail.gmail.com> <6aabc090609081934o608eab35q69c45bb68da8c515@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-209-168.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Start up error on 0.111 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:37:53 -0000 On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:34:27 -1000, Kevin Brammer wrote: > On 9/8/06, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: >> If you /must/ use HTML in your posts... > Damnit, it wasn't supposed to be HTML. I don't know why gmail keeps > changing back and forth. I send all emails as text, so there's no > reason why it would be on HTML... This seems to be a recurring problem with gmail users (of which I am one). I was poking around in the gmail web interface trying to find any way of changing the posting style, and the only thing I found is the item just under the "attach file" icon in the 'compose' window which allows you to switch between 'plain text' and 'rich formatting'. This is a confusing interface design, IMO, because it represents 'what I want' rather than 'what I have now'. The default 'compose' window displays the prominent 'rich formatting' near the top, which might easily be misinterpreted to mean 'I am now composing with rich formatting' when it really means 'click here to use rich formatting'. Dunno, just a thought. From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 09 16:02:52 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GM92S-00034D-3E for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:02:52 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM92P-000330-QD for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:02:49 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM92N-00032G-PM for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:02:49 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GM92N-00032D-Jm for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:02:47 -0400 Received: from [206.46.252.48] (helo=vms048pub.verizon.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GM93G-00018E-Hs for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:03:42 -0400 Received: from MATRIX2 ([71.113.92.56]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J5C00HTFCZM8YZ3@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 15:02:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 13:02:09 -0700 From: "Travis" Subject: RE: [Pan-users] Re: Start up error on 0.111 In-reply-to: To: Message-id: <00d301c6d44a$d63ba7a0$6501a8c0@MATRIX2> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AcbUR3u3+Ac8BWmmSMSyU8ZsYAHJNwAAyt8Q X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:02:50 -0000 ----Original Message---- From: pan-users-bounces+travis.shorelinewa=verizon.net@nongnu.org [mailto:pan-users-bounces+travis.shorelinewa=verizon.net@nongn u.org] On Behalf Of walt Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:37 To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Start up error on 0.111 > On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:34:27 -1000, Kevin Brammer wrote: > >> On 9/8/06, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > >>> If you /must/ use HTML in your posts... > >> Damnit, it wasn't supposed to be HTML. I don't know why gmail keeps >> changing back and forth. I send all emails as text, so there's no >> reason why it would be on HTML... > > This seems to be a recurring problem with gmail users (of > which I am one). I was poking around in the gmail web > interface trying to find any way of changing the posting > style, and the only thing I found is the item just under the > "attach file" icon in the 'compose' window which allows you > to switch between 'plain text' and 'rich formatting'. > > This is a confusing interface design, IMO, because it > represents 'what I want' rather than 'what I have now'. The default > 'compose' window displays the prominent 'rich formatting' near the > top, which might easily be misinterpreted to mean 'I am now > composing with rich formatting' when it really means 'click here to > use rich formatting'. > > Dunno, just a thought. I use both POP3 and webmail versions of GMail and it never switches to HTML by itself on me. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 09 16:22:22 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9LK-0004P6-Fz for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:22:22 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9LJ-0004Oh-8U for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:22:21 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9LF-0004MY-Fi for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:22:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9LF-0004MR-9t for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:22:17 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GM9M8-0002XK-CT for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:23:12 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9L4-0001xl-1L for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:22:06 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:22:06 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:22:06 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 21:21:36 +0100 Lines: 11 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] compose eats up CPU cycles? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:22:21 -0000 When composing a new message, or a reply, simply _selecting_ small amounts of text by highlighting apparently maxes out the CPU usage. I have 500MB RAM and a 2+ ghz celeron chip. Graphics intensive apps, like gthumb, use less of the CPU. I believe pan is just using gedit. It doesn't make sense, there's even a noticable delay when typing. That is, I can type faster than the words appear on the screen, which causes the CPU to max out, and I don't type very fast. If I stop typing, the CPU usage drops down to near zero, from 100 percent, or close to. -Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 09 16:22:43 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9Lf-0004XQ-Jq for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:22:43 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9Le-0004Wz-I5 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:22:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9Lc-0004WF-Vb for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:22:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9Lc-0004WA-SX for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:22:40 -0400 Received: from [64.233.166.177] (helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GM9MW-0002Z2-4M for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:23:36 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so1332614pye for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 13:22:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:to:subject:from:content-type:mime-version:references:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=tnITfveIeup7IAJAvPr9dnUR/y21yvXJeyihaZVIlvWzg2RQ+zY40l4ZPOH6HRPV+gG2ExnUrtp8uLQHTe2SUjCp+ppB/g2d8aFfNnmZPimPOsyatucZZPbBJ5B4xTlubx/eqfQzIHdaS1f+i3TIwt3j7DwZ89WjobE11ZNHoao= Received: by 10.35.72.6 with SMTP id z6mr5500036pyk; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 13:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thepub ( [58.84.65.82]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m68sm1864618pye.2006.09.09.13.22.36; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 13:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:52:03 +0930 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Tools menu in Pan 0.111 From: arndalebilo Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.01 (Linux) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:22:43 -0000 On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 06:26:03 +0930, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > Perhaps more to your needs would be simply selecting all the articles, > then hitting Download Selected Articles (on the Articles menu). That's what I've been doing - which brings up another issue. When I went to add an keyboard accelerator for 'download selected article', pan not only ignored my change but overwrote accels.txt with the 'factory' defaults when I closed pan. From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 09 16:45:16 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9hU-0001VO-Ac for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:45:16 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9hT-0001VF-7b for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:45:15 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9hR-0001Un-2a for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:45:14 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9hQ-0001Uk-Ux for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:45:12 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GM9iK-0004wh-AN for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:46:08 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9hJ-0005X8-SD for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:45:05 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:45:05 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:45:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 20:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: compose eats up CPU cycles? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:45:15 -0000 Thufir posted pan.2006.09.09.20.21.35.42719@gmail.com, excerpted below, on Sat, 09 Sep 2006 21:21:36 +0100: > When composing a new message, or a reply, simply _selecting_ small amounts > of text by highlighting apparently maxes out the CPU usage. I have 500MB > RAM and a 2+ ghz celeron chip. Graphics intensive apps, like gthumb, use > less of the CPU. I believe pan is just using gedit. It doesn't make > sense, there's even a noticable delay when typing. That is, I can type > faster than the words appear on the screen, which causes the CPU to max > out, and I don't type very fast. If I stop typing, the CPU usage drops > down to near zero, from 100 percent, or close to. It may have to do with the spell-check, but that's not all of it by itself. I believe I read a report that certain themes can cause that behavior. If you have a GTK or GNOME theme, try changing it and see if that helps. Apparently at least one theme "fights" with the spellchecker or something else in pan, I'm not sure what. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 09 16:54:01 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9pw-0007Yj-WC for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:54:01 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9pu-0007Wr-9M for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:53:58 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9pr-0007WL-S7 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:53:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9pr-0007WE-Mn for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:53:55 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GM9qk-0005qf-Vg for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:54:51 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9pf-0006oM-GC for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:53:43 +0200 Received: from h-69-3-123-145.dnvtco56.dynamic.covad.net ([69.3.123.145]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:53:43 +0200 Received: from hendersj by h-69-3-123-145.dnvtco56.dynamic.covad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:53:43 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Jim Henderson Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:53:31 -0600 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: h-69-3-123-145.dnvtco56.dynamic.covad.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2 (This is not a psychotic episode. It's a cleansing moment of clarity.) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: pan window is too wide X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:53:58 -0000 On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:41:12 +0000, Duncan wrote: > Jim Henderson posted > pan.2006.09.09.00.09.54.69665@mindspring.com, > excerpted below, on Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:09:54 -0600: > >> On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:44:01 +0000, Duncan wrote: >> >>> It's also possible that the OP is running in a very low resolution >>> mode, say 800x600 or the like. Pan works best with at least 1024x768 >>> resolution, as many of its dialogs, plus button layout and the like on >>> the main window, assume that. >> >> Ah, good point - hadn't thought about that. For the main window, of >> course, the tabbed view (rather than the 3-pane view) might be better to >> work with. > > Trouble is, the toolbar remains the same width, tabbed main window or not. > Tabbed works for what is otherwise three panes, but the buttons on the > toolbar all remain there and take up the same space regardless. True - I'm still using old pan here (I've got new pan built, just need to try out the latest build), but I also tend not to use the toolbars too much (I'm more of a keyboard person, so I use the menus and hotkeys) Jim From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 09 16:55:09 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9r3-0007tT-Iy for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:55:09 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9r1-0007rZ-Hj for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:55:07 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9r0-0007qz-A9 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:55:07 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9r0-0007qw-7J for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:55:06 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GM9rt-0005uB-G2 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:56:01 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9qv-00072W-MS for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:55:01 +0200 Received: from h-69-3-123-145.dnvtco56.dynamic.covad.net ([69.3.123.145]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:55:01 +0200 Received: from hendersj by h-69-3-123-145.dnvtco56.dynamic.covad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:55:01 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Jim Henderson Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:54:11 -0600 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: h-69-3-123-145.dnvtco56.dynamic.covad.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2 (This is not a psychotic episode. It's a cleansing moment of clarity.) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: pan window is too wide X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:55:07 -0000 On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:20:53 +0100, Thufir wrote: > Why is do all the other apps I run not have this problem? Probably because the width of those apps is narrower than pan's width when it comes to a minimum size for things like the toolbar. Jim From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 09 16:56:40 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9sW-0008Sx-1y for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:56:40 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9sU-0008Sf-FA for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:56:38 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9sT-0008SN-VF for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:56:38 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9sT-0008SK-OV for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:56:37 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GM9tN-0005yr-0J for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:57:33 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GM9sN-0007Iu-8d for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:56:31 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:56:31 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:56:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 20:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Tools menu in Pan 0.111 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:56:38 -0000 arndalebilo posted op.tfmn61mbwdngvm@thepub, excerpted below, on Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:52:03 +0930: > When I went to add an keyboard accelerator for 'download selected > article', pan not only ignored my change but overwrote accels.txt with the > 'factory' defaults when I closed pan. Apparently new-pan doesn't allow GUI setting of keyboard accels at all. You must directly edit the accels.txt file when pan is closed, then pan will pickup the changes when it opens. It always rewrites it with the current settings at close, however, and the rewrite scrambles everything up, so the best way to handle it if you don't fancy using your editor's find function all the time is to copy the file to a editing copy, do your reordering and any other changes there, then copy it back over the pan copy (with pan closed) every time you tweak something. Here, I put a table at the end with all possible permutations (modifier key columns, modified keys make the rows) as well (; comments, if it's not obvious). When the key/modifier combo is used, I enter it in the table so I don't have to look thru the main entries to see if it's used or not, if I want to change something. I posted a now slightly dated (the menus changed around a bit) copy of my accels.txt a couple weeks ago. You should be able to find it on the archive if you missed it. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 09 17:21:57 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMAGz-0005l0-Cn for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:21:57 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMAGy-0005jL-01 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:21:56 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMAGw-0005j3-R6 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:21:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMAGw-0005j0-NT for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:21:54 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GMAHq-0007vW-D5 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:22:50 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GMAGp-00030x-Rq for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:21:47 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:21:47 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:21:47 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:21:05 +0100 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: compose eats up CPU cycles? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 21:21:56 -0000 On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:44:59 +0000, Duncan wrote: > Thufir posted > pan.2006.09.09.20.21.35.42719@gmail.com, excerpted below, on Sat, 09 Sep > 2006 21:21:36 +0100: > >> When composing a new message, or a reply, simply _selecting_ small amounts >> of text by highlighting apparently maxes out the CPU usage. I have 500MB >> RAM and a 2+ ghz celeron chip. Graphics intensive apps, like gthumb, use >> less of the CPU. I believe pan is just using gedit. It doesn't make >> sense, there's even a noticable delay when typing. That is, I can type >> faster than the words appear on the screen, which causes the CPU to max >> out, and I don't type very fast. If I stop typing, the CPU usage drops >> down to near zero, from 100 percent, or close to. > > It may have to do with the spell-check, but that's not all of it by itself. > I believe I read a report that certain themes can cause that behavior. If > you have a GTK or GNOME theme, try changing it and see if that helps. > Apparently at least one theme "fights" with the spellchecker or something > else in pan, I'm not sure what. Ok, I've changed themes, still in GNOME. Now I'm using "clearview", I think it was previously "bluecurves". Thanks for responding, at least I have an inkling of what's happening. I'm going to ask over in the fedora mailing list. Presumably KDE works fine, as it's a GTK and pan issue? thanks, Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 09 19:08:32 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMBw8-0005vg-3N for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:08:32 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMBw6-0005u0-Si for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:08:30 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMBw4-0005sy-VU for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:08:30 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMBw4-0005st-OQ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:08:28 -0400 Received: from [205.166.61.227] (helo=smtp2.ctinetworks.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMBwz-000749-Ld for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:09:25 -0400 Received: from ghidorah (dsl-206-251-8-239.dsl0.crls.pa.net [206.251.8.239]) by smtp2.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AE5E1A73C2 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 19:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 19:08:18 -0400 From: Douglas Bollinger To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Pan 0.111 shuts down when loading new msgs from group in XFCE Message-Id: <20060909190818.f212d357.dcb@pa.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.6 (GTK+ 2.8.19; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ctinetworks-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ctinetworks-VirusCheck: Found to be clean X-ctinetworks-SpamCheck: X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:08:31 -0000 On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 12:05:59 -0500 Phil wrote: > I have had a problem with the last 2-3 versions (weekly > betas) of Pan. Pan will often completely close down with no error > messages when going to a new newsgroup and downloading new msgs. This > doesn't happen all the time, but at least a good 30-40% of the time. > I'm running the XFCE desktop if that makes any difference (Xubuntu) Charles squashed a couple of mean Pan crashers this week. Whenever it's posted, give .112 a try and see if you are still having problems. -- You can learn many things from children. How much patience you have, for instance. -- Franklin P. Jones From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 09 22:00:18 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMEcM-0000kh-3E for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:00:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMEcL-0000kS-0C for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:00:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMEcJ-0000jy-NZ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:00:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMEcJ-0000ju-Gl for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:00:15 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GMEdF-000213-RV for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:01:14 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GMEc6-0002Yp-NM for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 04:00:02 +0200 Received: from 58-84-75-246.dial-lns6.sa.chariot.net.au ([58.84.75.246]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 04:00:02 +0200 Received: from arndalebilo by 58-84-75-246.dial-lns6.sa.chariot.net.au with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 04:00:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "arndalebilo" Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 22:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 58-84-75-246.dial-lns6.sa.chariot.net.au User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Tools menu in Pan 0.111 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:00:17 -0000 On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:56:24 +0000, Duncan wrote: > Apparently new-pan doesn't allow GUI setting of keyboard accels at all. > You must directly edit the accels.txt file when pan is closed, then pan > will pickup the changes when it opens. It always rewrites it with the > current settings at close, however, and the rewrite scrambles everything > up, so the best way to handle it if you don't fancy using your editor's > find function all the time is to copy the file to a editing copy, do > your reordering and any other changes there, then copy it back over the > pan copy (with pan closed) every time you tweak something. Yes. That's what I expected. It wasn't working because I forgot to remove the ";" at the beginning of the line in accels.txt. Duh! From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 10 12:49:13 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMSUb-0005vK-Ps for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:49:13 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMSUa-0005ue-7V for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:49:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMSUY-0005tb-R6 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:49:11 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMSUW-0005sp-Bn; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:49:08 -0400 Received: from [70.168.83.78] (helo=centrmmtao06.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMSVb-0004NE-AQ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:50:15 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060910164905.WAWR17338.centrmmtao06.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net>; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:49:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Lgoq1V00X4amFmC0000000 Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:48:51 -0400 Message-ID: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:49:03 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org, pan-announce@nongnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:49:12 -0000 September 10, 2006 - Pan 0.112: "Elijah Craig" This is "weekly" beta #23 of a full Pan redesign and rewrite in C++. The quick turnaround time between each beta is to squash as many bugs as possible before the pending 1.0 release. Feedback and bug reports are very much encouraged. This was a frustrating week in Pan development, since some of the bugs were subtle and difficult to track. Still, I think this is one of the better recent releases. Thanks to everyone whose suggestions were used in this release: Jason Auvenshine, Frederic Bezies, Douglas Bollinger, Dave Chand, Jack Cuyler, K Haley, Artur Jachacy, Christophe Lambin, Christian Lohmaier, John Mellor, Simon Morgan, Ronald, and Steve. Bug tickets addressed in this release: http://tinyurl.com/o83xo Bugs 353624 crash when deleting active tasks. 354560 0.111 crashed on `get new headers' 354200 pan crashes when view doesn't get applied. 353158 File save stopping before complete. 353486 server connection(s) screw up after awhile. 347632 down news server locks up Pan. 354140 "show matching..." incorrect after getting new headers. 348188 0.111 broke `disable threading' 351104 0.107 unable to save article text. 352043 Can't undo a watch or ignore rule. Tweaks 353957 0.110 didn't expand threads when reading the top article. 349710 moved 'disable smooth scrolling' to Preferences dialog. 354317 "add and rescore" doesn't remove 'plonked' posts. 354231 new French translation. cheers, Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 10 13:41:49 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMTJU-0000JV-Sr for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:41:48 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMTJT-0000Iq-R0 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:41:47 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMTJP-0000Bv-Td for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:41:47 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMTJP-0000Bk-QO for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:41:43 -0400 Received: from [64.233.162.200] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMTKV-0000Pr-E0 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:42:51 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so477484nzf for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:41:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DqiYvg8Syptt2jEVMkLSwqPtZB3Mhrsxwb2kCNMMRy+Qoglza/kwV/JDkMcQVWKO25TQ4rurSPHt4aFgdj+UaO8W5EPO8xl60qm69j3m8D2e25GgQ8AiU8nbSrkW5SJxNXjG9Sz+pYdU6HAXGuP8oB5tlxayK9fe00Qa5MWUxUI= Received: by 10.64.193.8 with SMTP id q8mr975472qbf; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.233.11 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:41:42 +0200 From: "Frederic Bezies" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" In-Reply-To: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:41:48 -0000 2006/9/10, Charles Kerr : > September 10, 2006 - Pan 0.112: "Elijah Craig" > > This is "weekly" beta #23 of a full Pan redesign and rewrite in C++. > The quick turnaround time between each beta is to squash as many bugs > as possible before the pending 1.0 release. Feedback and bug reports > are very much encouraged. Let's hope 1.0rc1 will be the next one :) > > This was a frustrating week in Pan development, since some of > the bugs were subtle and difficult to track. Still, I think this > is one of the better recent releases. 0.111 was a good release too ;) > > Thanks to everyone whose suggestions were used in this release: > Jason Auvenshine, Frederic Bezies, Douglas Bollinger, Dave Chand, > Jack Cuyler, K Haley, Artur Jachacy, Christophe Lambin, > Christian Lohmaier, John Mellor, Simon Morgan, Ronald, and Steve. > > Bug tickets addressed in this release: http://tinyurl.com/o83xo > [bug list] Well, let's build it and find remaining bug to make Pan as bulletproof as possible ! -- Frederic Bezies fredbezies@gmail.com From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 10 13:44:20 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMTLv-0003Az-Uj for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:44:19 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMTLt-0003AT-ET for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:44:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMTLr-0003AH-0C for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:44:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMTLq-0003AE-S6 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:44:14 -0400 Received: from [68.230.240.35] (helo=eastrmmtao04.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMTMw-0000aE-DL for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:45:22 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060910174413.RBXR25210.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:44:13 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Lhjy1V00S4amFmC0000000 Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:43:58 -0400 Message-ID: <45044EEC.1020604@rebelbase.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:44:12 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" References: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:44:17 -0000 Frederic Bezies wrote: >> This is "weekly" beta #23 of a full Pan redesign and rewrite in C++. >> The quick turnaround time between each beta is to squash as many bugs >> as possible before the pending 1.0 release. Feedback and bug reports >> are very much encouraged. > Let's hope 1.0rc1 will be the next one :) Yes. I didn't expect the weekly beta cycle to go on for this long and am ready for a break. :) Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 10 15:26:45 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMUx3-0004xU-PO for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:26:45 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMUx1-0004vV-9D for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:26:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMUwz-0004tu-FF for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:26:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMUwz-0004tT-5B for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:26:41 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GMUy5-0000a6-L7 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:27:49 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GMUwc-0004Vy-Q7 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:26:18 +0200 Received: from ckz172.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl ([83.31.101.172]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:26:18 +0200 Received: from arturj.usenet by ckz172.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:26:18 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Artur Jachacy" Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <450441FF.7060002__34285.0221241408$1157907031$gmane$org@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ckz172.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Hamster/2.1.0.11 Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:26:43 -0000 On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:49:03 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: > September 10, 2006 - Pan 0.112: "Elijah Craig" Getting closer and closer. :-) Windows build available at panbuilds.googlepages.com. Charles, you haven't updated the website in a while. Perhaps I should've notified you of new builds? Artur -- I'm afraid I just blue myself. Pan for Windows (beta) - From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 10 15:36:38 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMV6c-00058I-2g for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:36:38 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMV6a-00055C-L7 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:36:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMV6Z-000521-5V for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:36:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMV6Y-00051b-TV for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:36:34 -0400 Received: from [64.233.182.189] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMV7f-0001W5-Jw for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:37:43 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p46so1303298nfa for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:36:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GVEIXtnpr5cXS2wtEF3+GjZZg+Qn9hQ6oz0Ml2okHkSWuoGRf/O+aqS/RQ2bpJrh5DLMFiAsCqcp5ZwvOf3uRMKmevZYpdZ8kGo7qiVJ+fbBnEiDWqPq7ZopBnL+BLSUFpEV0iYLZCl7x9bAm3ZMaW7ohQ6UYRtbMmgnxe25wPU= Received: by 10.49.26.18 with SMTP id d18mr7115722nfj; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.102? ( [86.201.203.25]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 35sm3811309huc.2006.09.10.12.36.32; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <45046947.7090504@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:36:39 +0200 From: Frederic Bezies User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1 (X11/20060906) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" References: <450441FF.7060002__34285.0221241408$1157907031$gmane$org@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:36:36 -0000 Le 10.09.2006 21:27, Artur Jachacy a écrit : > On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:49:03 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: > >> September 10, 2006 - Pan 0.112: "Elijah Craig" > > Getting closer and closer. :-) Indeed. ;) > Windows build available at panbuilds.googlepages.com. Good for win32 pan users ;) > Charles, you haven't updated the website in a while. Perhaps I > should've notified you of new builds? Anyway, isn't there a little bug in bugfix for 354317 ? I still have an "add" button with "go back" and "remove" buttons. Or is it mandatory ? -- Frederic Bezies - fredbezies@gmail.com From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 10 15:38:26 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMV8M-0006Zc-CB for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:38:26 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMV8K-0006XT-DL for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:38:24 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMV8I-0006Ub-3V for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:38:23 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMV8H-0006UM-Nr for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:38:21 -0400 Received: from [64.233.182.186] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMV9O-0001hi-Eh for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:39:30 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p46so1303514nfa for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:38:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NJ6MZAhtaQ9wBxDHthfj5/67Fdqo6TIsvttZnia68B1QPwKny1g04aQz98ilh55rF6HQU0MRA9aLtLqex1V8Qh2HzO8DoKuuVF6uL8OdggaAxnlEiEoiG9apHmWcuthwmNiJx232wY0agqDn3Xk/tmndaRqK2aUIGpSccbtdLDM= Received: by 10.49.41.12 with SMTP id t12mr7106122nfj; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.102? ( [86.201.203.25]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 23sm1192889hud.2006.09.10.12.38.19; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <450469B1.60202@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:38:25 +0200 From: Frederic Bezies User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1 (X11/20060906) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" References: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> <45044EEC.1020604@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <45044EEC.1020604@rebelbase.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:38:25 -0000 Le 10.09.2006 19:44, Charles Kerr a écrit : > Frederic Bezies wrote: > >>> This is "weekly" beta #23 of a full Pan redesign and rewrite in >>> C++. The quick turnaround time between each beta is to squash as >>> many bugs as possible before the pending 1.0 release. Feedback >>> and bug reports are very much encouraged. > >> Let's hope 1.0rc1 will be the next one :) > > Yes. I didn't expect the weekly beta cycle to go on for this long > and am ready for a break. :) > Just to make you laugh a little : the little changes you made really slaughtered my translation. You don't mind if I propose you a translation for 0.113 which could be 1.0rc1 ? ;) -- Frederic Bezies - fredbezies@gmail.com From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 10 18:00:23 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMXLj-00034D-HH for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:00:23 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMXLi-00033p-7f for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:00:22 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMXLf-000339-Ra for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:00:20 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMXLf-000335-MB for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:00:19 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GMXMn-0004Ox-Ke for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:01:29 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GMXLY-0005h2-S2 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:00:12 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:00:12 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:00:12 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 9 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] pan.rebelbase.com down? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:00:22 -0000 I can't get to rebelbase to get the new 112 sources. I tried loading the main page and it doesn't come up. I'm off to work but will be back to try again in a few hours. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 10 18:07:07 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMXSF-0005yF-D6 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:07:07 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMXSD-0005wl-Uw for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:07:05 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMXSC-0005vc-AZ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:07:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMXSC-0005vZ-5W for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:07:04 -0400 Received: from [204.127.200.81] (helo=sccrmhc11.comcast.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMXTK-0005Ci-C6 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:08:14 -0400 Received: from [24.61.240.117] (c-24-61-240-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.240.117]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2006091022065901100cdoloe>; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:07:03 +0000 Message-ID: <45048C82.3080704@spamcop.net> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:06:58 -0400 From: David Shochat User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060725) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] pan.rebelbase.com down? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:07:06 -0000 Duncan wrote: > I can't get to rebelbase I just tried it and it came up fine. From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 10 19:53:19 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMZ71-0006Vf-Kt for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:53:19 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMZ70-0006TR-4g for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:53:18 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMZ6x-0006Nl-FJ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:53:17 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMZ6x-0006NC-5P for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:53:15 -0400 Received: from [66.249.82.231] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMZ84-0004GZ-G4 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:54:25 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1575171wxc for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:52:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lEqJq4dIxydqlH0hh0mkngRMBXn2ZvN6yXVgMQDhp5FDNpLL4w19+mDcVeS/N/cwYFpZ/J9w890VLjejglqgNJrKvKwBey61kASFYuS7vOvGZkQ9maK6FpmB5DAabEnWojS5oqCOlP71mOmaqQqSo61Ini/p8PopdW0kqU+5EiM= Received: by 10.90.94.2 with SMTP id r2mr1391904agb; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.83.15 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:52:58 -0400 From: "Mike Houwers" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" In-Reply-To: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:53:18 -0000 Is it just me or did this release re-break Windows 2000 compatibility? The new releases have built and run fine under Windows 2000 for the last many, but 0.112 fails with the same old freeaddrinfo could not be located in WS2_32.DLL. Thanks, mike From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 10 20:36:14 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMZmY-0002Fd-1E for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:36:14 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMZmW-0002Ey-96 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:36:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMZmU-0002EA-TM for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:36:11 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMZmU-0002E7-Cl for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:36:10 -0400 Received: from [216.234.192.104] (helo=oreo.zianet.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GMZnd-0006ia-GI for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:37:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 90517 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2006 00:36:07 -0000 Received: from abq-216-31-110-242.dsl.zianet.com (HELO ?192.168.1.26?) (216.31.110.242) by zianet.com with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 00:36:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4504AFEA.3050203@zianet.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:38:02 -0600 From: "K. Haley" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" References: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig331CE8DA301950CD1E4149C9" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:36:12 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig331CE8DA301950CD1E4149C9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike Houwers wrote: > Is it just me or did this release re-break Windows 2000 compatibility? > The new releases have built and run fine under Windows 2000 for the > last many, but 0.112 fails with the same old freeaddrinfo could not be > located in WS2_32.DLL. > Argh.... pan/tasks/socket-impl-gio.cc change #define _WIN32_WINNT 0x0501 to #define _WIN32_WINNT 0x0500 It's unfortunate that this is required since it disables support for ipv6= =2E --------------enig331CE8DA301950CD1E4149C9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFBK/wDMrq4AbU59ERArnHAJ9uxo4G5wC7MlwJ/b0y2vWnZYPcJQCgzKDU setdsd2tG0W3jkHvXpajOtg= =t5w1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig331CE8DA301950CD1E4149C9-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 10 22:28:58 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMbXe-0001sv-Pf for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:28:58 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMbXc-0001oD-Vd for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:28:57 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMbXb-0001kY-4i for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:28:56 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMbXb-0001kQ-19 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:28:55 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GMbYl-0005dc-MC for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:30:07 -0400 Received: (qmail 2376 invoked by uid 140); 11 Sep 2006 02:30:38 -0000 Received: from shitbird.rebelbase.com (HELO webmail.rebelbase.com) (204.10.36.146) by rebelbase.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 02:30:38 -0000 Received: from 68.12.65.212 (SquirrelMail authenticated user charles@rebelbase.com) by webmail.rebelbase.com with HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:27:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <1231.68.12.65.212.1157941645.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <4504AFEA.3050203@zianet.com> References: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> <4504AFEA.3050203@zianet.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:27:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" From: "Charles Kerr" To: pan-users@nongnu.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:28:57 -0000 > Mike Houwers wrote: >> Is it just me or did this release re-break Windows 2000 compatibility? >> The new releases have built and run fine under Windows 2000 for the >> last many, but 0.112 fails with the same old freeaddrinfo could not be >> located in WS2_32.DLL. >> > Argh.... > > pan/tasks/socket-impl-gio.cc > change #define _WIN32_WINNT 0x0501 > to #define _WIN32_WINNT 0x0500 > > It's unfortunate that this is required since it disables support for ipv6. So that cleanup work http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354405 is a step backwards. oh, well, I guess it's not unreasonable to limit win2k to ipv4. Is there a way to get ipv6 for xp without having two separate windows binaries? From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 11 00:37:57 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMdYT-0005EV-Aq for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:37:57 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMdYQ-0005D3-M1 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:37:54 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMdYO-0005Bu-Oa for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:37:53 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMdYO-0005Bh-DV for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:37:52 -0400 Received: from [216.234.192.124] (helo=trinculo.zianet.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GMdZa-0006BE-3b for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:39:06 -0400 Received: (qmail 96585 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 2006 04:37:50 -0000 Received: from abq-216-31-110-242.dsl.zianet.com (HELO ?192.168.1.26?) (216.31.110.242) by zianet.com with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 04:37:49 -0000 Message-ID: <4504E893.9080509@zianet.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:39:47 -0600 From: "K. Haley" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" References: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> <4504AFEA.3050203@zianet.com> <1231.68.12.65.212.1157941645.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <1231.68.12.65.212.1157941645.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2A2402F6A17A11D51DF9FC23" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:37:55 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2A2402F6A17A11D51DF9FC23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Charles Kerr wrote: > So that cleanup work http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D354405= > is a step backwards. oh, well, I guess it's not unreasonable to limit > win2k to ipv4. > =20 It wasn't a step backwards, I just changed the define so I could test it.= > Is there a way to get ipv6 for xp without having two separate > windows binaries? > =20 I've just found something that should work. I'll post it to the bug when it's done. --------------enig2A2402F6A17A11D51DF9FC23 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFBOiXDMrq4AbU59ERAjQ2AKDIcCkeGi+VOZbiMnoGztFH31aPKwCeP7gg Q+RhTrqVKZ2XANGhtHp67bs= =Yzfu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig2A2402F6A17A11D51DF9FC23-- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 11 03:49:41 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMgY0-0002I3-H6 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:49:40 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMgXy-0002Ht-Ii for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:49:38 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMgXw-0002Hh-RG for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:49:38 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMgXw-0002He-MT for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:49:36 -0400 Received: from [212.27.42.28] (helo=smtp2-g19.free.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMgZA-0007Nu-FD for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:50:52 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (pat35-1-82-229-60-246.fbx.proxad.net [82.229.60.246]) by smtp2-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA9875C03 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:49:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <450515C1.1050702@free.fr> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:52:33 +0200 From: GISQUET Christophe User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" References: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> <4504AFEA.3050203@zianet.com> <1231.68.12.65.212.1157941645.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <1231.68.12.65.212.1157941645.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 07:49:38 -0000 Charles Kerr a =E9crit : > Is there a way to get ipv6 for xp without having two separate > windows binaries? The common binary must not uses the aforementioned symbols as imported=20 symbols. Therefore using dlopen-like mechanisms is required. Under windows we have: - LoadLibrary for dlopen'ing it - GetProcAddress for dlsym - FreeLibrary for dlclose I currently have no time to implement such a workaround, so the best of l= uck=20 for those that want to. --=20 Christophe GISQUET From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 11 06:21:28 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMiut-0007Uy-ST for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:21:27 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMius-0007Se-2a for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:21:26 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMiuq-0007Pt-Jx for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:21:25 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMiuq-0007Pc-9C for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:21:24 -0400 Received: from [66.249.82.230] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMiw5-00041w-F6 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:22:41 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1743205wxc for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:21:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Eeoz1N75zihy39V6QQYyIaHnSu+RoMawn5iUnhCfZyoS+0ufuCCLOcCcfHz11MX1GbnlfQB9D3+DnOMJhUFLP8LIYjmQgIzlqUtowgaIh5qcRBCHyM7fmzL1/fJEo83VO9kItLyLeDajNQvWWeqQy3UtT/JkYWOTFOJn0yyvQUs= Received: by 10.90.78.1 with SMTP id a1mr1434970agb; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.116.11 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5caa9b870609110321h37b2743an890ba0549adad771@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:21:22 +0100 From: "Steve Davies" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <450441FF.7060002__34285.0221241408$1157907031$gmane$org@rebelbase.com> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:21:26 -0000 On 9/10/06, Artur Jachacy wrote: > On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:49:03 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: > > > September 10, 2006 - Pan 0.112: "Elijah Craig" > > Getting closer and closer. :-) > Windows build available at panbuilds.googlepages.com. And now, I have also updated the installer build to 0.112, and have included the Win2k workaround. Cheers, Steve From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 11 08:58:19 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMlMh-00070v-91 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:58:19 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMlMg-0006yQ-5r for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:58:18 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMlMe-0006sj-8v for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:58:17 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMlMe-0006sW-33 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:58:16 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GMlNu-0000CF-Mi for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:59:34 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GMlMY-0004zJ-Ho for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:58:10 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:58:10 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:58:10 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <45048C82.3080704@spamcop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.111 (Tweedy) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: pan.rebelbase.com down? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:58:18 -0000 David Shochat posted 45048C82.3080704@spamcop.net, excerpted below, on Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:06:58 -0400: > Duncan wrote: >> I can't get to rebelbase > I just tried it and it came up fine. It's working now. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 11 11:13:36 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMnTc-0002Kn-J5 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:13:36 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMnTb-0002JR-8C for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:13:35 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMnTZ-0002Gc-8d for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:13:34 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMnTZ-0002GD-38 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:13:33 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GMnUr-0006Bg-3x for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:14:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 25643 invoked by uid 140); 11 Sep 2006 15:15:23 -0000 Received: from nat.nssl.noaa.gov (HELO ?172.16.20.176?) (charles@129.15.69.8) by rebelbase.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 15:15:23 -0000 Message-ID: <45057D14.5080002@rebelbase.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:13:24 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060801) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: compose eats up CPU cycles? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:13:35 -0000 Thufir wrote: > On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:44:59 +0000, Duncan wrote: >> It may have to do with the spell-check, but that's not all of it by itself. >> I believe I read a report that certain themes can cause that behavior. If >> you have a GTK or GNOME theme, try changing it and see if that helps. >> Apparently at least one theme "fights" with the spellchecker or something >> else in pan, I'm not sure what. > > Ok, I've changed themes, still in GNOME. Now I'm using "clearview", I > think it was previously "bluecurves". Thanks for responding, at least I > have an inkling of what's happening. > > I'm going to ask over in the fedora mailing list. Presumably KDE works > fine, as it's a GTK and pan issue? KDE should work fine, as should most Gnome apps. IIRC it's a bluecurve + gtkspell bug. From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 11 11:17:40 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMnXY-0003vK-Ga for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:17:40 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMnXW-0003ur-DH for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:17:38 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMnXW-0003uf-1V for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:17:38 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMnXV-0003uc-RI for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:17:37 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GMnYn-0006V0-SV for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:18:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 26343 invoked by uid 140); 11 Sep 2006 15:19:28 -0000 Received: from nat.nssl.noaa.gov (HELO ?172.16.20.176?) (charles@129.15.69.8) by rebelbase.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 15:19:28 -0000 Message-ID: <45057E0A.5080808@rebelbase.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:17:30 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060801) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" References: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:17:38 -0000 Mike Houwers wrote: > Is it just me or did this release re-break Windows 2000 compatibility? > The new releases have built and run fine under Windows 2000 for the > last many, but 0.112 fails with the same old freeaddrinfo could not be > located in WS2_32.DLL. Mike, Could you try 's latest patch and see if it fixes the Windows 2000 problem? Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 11 16:50:00 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMsjA-00041y-2o for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:50:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMsj8-00040e-FO for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:49:58 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMsj6-0003zf-Kk for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:49:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMsj6-0003zZ-Gu for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:49:56 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.34] (helo=smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMskR-0003Mw-O6 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:51:19 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (aphax.nl [82.92.29.227]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8BKnnWM052350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:49:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from h.nieser@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4505CBAB.8000001@xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:48:43 +0200 From: Hans Nieser User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060910) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: [Pan-users] 0.112 - Sluggishness when scrolling through headers X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:49:58 -0000 Hello all, Today I emerged pan 0.112 on my Gentoo box and I noticed something I hadn't before, scrolling through the header list has become rather slow :( It seems that it is perhaps related to some kind of caching mechanism, because once I've scrolled past a bunch of headers and then scroll back, it goes smoothly. If it matters, I use the tabbed layout. I hope it's not a consequence of any of the recent optimization because I absolutely love how little memory Pan uses right now :) From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 11 17:06:44 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMszM-0004tU-IN for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:06:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMszL-0004sR-EG for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:06:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMszH-0004oZ-A5 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:06:43 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMszH-0004oV-4F for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:06:39 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GMt0c-0004zL-IS for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:08:02 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GMsyt-0003S7-Oe for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:06:16 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:06:15 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:06:15 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:02:42 +0100 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <45057D14.5080002@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Re: compose eats up CPU cycles? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:06:44 -0000 On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:13:24 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: > Thufir wrote: >> On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:44:59 +0000, Duncan wrote: >>> It may have to do with the spell-check, but that's not all of it by itself. >>> I believe I read a report that certain themes can cause that behavior. If >>> you have a GTK or GNOME theme, try changing it and see if that helps. >>> Apparently at least one theme "fights" with the spellchecker or something >>> else in pan, I'm not sure what. > > >> Ok, I've changed themes, still in GNOME. Now I'm using "clearview", I >> think it was previously "bluecurves". Thanks for responding, at least I >> have an inkling of what's happening. >> >> I'm going to ask over in the fedora mailing list. Presumably KDE works >> fine, as it's a GTK and pan issue? > > KDE should work fine, as should most Gnome apps. > > IIRC it's a bluecurve + gtkspell bug. Hmm. Third time's the charm :) This is "smokey glass", or something like, that, works fine :) thanks, Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 11 17:48:55 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMteA-0002YI-Vu for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:48:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMte9-0002Xw-Aj for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:48:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMte4-0002WC-QW for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:48:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMte4-0002Vu-Jy for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:48:48 -0400 Received: from [205.166.61.207] (helo=smtp0.ctinetworks.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMtfQ-0008Ai-FD for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:50:12 -0400 Received: from ghidorah (dsl-206-251-8-239.dsl0.crls.pa.net [206.251.8.239]) by smtp0.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6AE5B1C458 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:48:24 -0400 From: Douglas Bollinger To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] 0.112 - Sluggishness when scrolling through headers Message-Id: <20060911174824.708f33c4.dcb@pa.net> In-Reply-To: <4505CBAB.8000001@xs4all.nl> References: <4505CBAB.8000001@xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.6 (GTK+ 2.8.19; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ctinetworks-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ctinetworks-VirusCheck: Found to be clean X-ctinetworks-SpamCheck: X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:48:53 -0000 On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:48:43 +0200 Hans Nieser wrote: > Today I emerged pan 0.112 on my Gentoo box and I noticed something I > hadn't before, scrolling through the header list has become rather slow :( > > It seems that it is perhaps related to some kind of caching mechanism, > because once I've scrolled past a bunch of headers and then scroll back, > it goes smoothly. If it matters, I use the tabbed layout. > > I hope it's not a consequence of any of the recent optimization because I > absolutely love how little memory Pan uses right now :) I don't perceive any slowness scrolling the header list with Pan 0.112 and my Gentoo box. I'm not even sure what would cause this problem. -- Why be difficult when, with a bit of effort, you could be impossible? From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 11 18:03:28 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMtsG-0005h8-4N for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:03:28 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMtsD-0005g8-QU for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:03:25 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMtsA-0005bv-Vs for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:03:25 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMtsA-0005bs-T7 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:03:22 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GMttW-00012P-Pw for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:04:46 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GMtrz-0006KO-8N for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:03:11 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-190-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.190.188]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:03:11 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-190-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:03:11 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <4505CBAB.8000001@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-190-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: 0.112 - Sluggishness when scrolling through headers X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:03:26 -0000 On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:48:43 +0200, Hans Nieser wrote: > Hello all, > > Today I emerged pan 0.112 on my Gentoo box and I noticed something I > hadn't before, scrolling through the header list has become rather slow :( Hm. What mechanism are you using to scroll? Dragging the scrollbar with the mouse, holding the down-arrow key, page-down key, etc? I'm not seeing the same thing on my end, so I'm wondering if you just upgraded gcc to 4.1.1 like the rest of us gentoo freaks? There are some minor pitfalls... From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 11 18:51:57 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMudA-0006Rc-M5 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:51:56 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMud9-0006Q0-EP for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:51:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMud7-0006Ni-Po for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:51:54 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMud7-0006Nb-Gh for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:51:53 -0400 Received: from [66.249.82.233] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMueT-0004JE-Ty for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:53:18 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1996175wxc for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:51:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QEilda9JAso9VfiG8b5WyGQoJZ57h4J1YNDJws7taFw+Te6IlpNBZwn386wxwkWXWJ7yHPkH4ET38aQDS2QUeGi0mK6nwXxASM31f6q9lcnht5B1PNg+yRp+xWZEoZ4I23slj7e+Ta3jBa+Woo8+rpxOWuHkd6hHnXoeKqoVbYM= Received: by 10.90.118.10 with SMTP id q10mr1949974agc; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.83.15 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:51:51 -0400 From: "Mike Houwers" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" In-Reply-To: <45057E0A.5080808@rebelbase.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> <45057E0A.5080808@rebelbase.com> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:51:56 -0000 On 9/11/06, Charles Kerr wrote: > Mike Houwers wrote: > > Is it just me or did this release re-break Windows 2000 compatibility? > > The new releases have built and run fine under Windows 2000 for the > > last many, but 0.112 fails with the same old freeaddrinfo could not be > > located in WS2_32.DLL. > > Mike, > > Could you try 's > latest patch and see if it fixes the Windows 2000 problem? > > Charles > > The patch appears to be working fine. Pan starts, I can download headers, and I downloaded a couple of binaries without any apparent problem. Thanks, mike From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 11 20:10:55 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMvrb-0000u1-9g for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:10:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMvrY-0000rd-Ta for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:10:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMvrX-0000qT-B3 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:10:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMvrX-0000qQ-4v for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:10:51 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.31] (helo=smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMvsu-0001Pv-Cc for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:12:16 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (aphax.nl [82.92.29.227]) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8C0AnPx008886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:10:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from h.nieser@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4505FAC9.5090707@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:09:45 +0200 From: Hans Nieser User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060910) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: 0.112 - Sluggishness when scrolling through headers References: <4505CBAB.8000001@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:10:53 -0000 walt wrote: > On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:48:43 +0200, Hans Nieser wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Today I emerged pan 0.112 on my Gentoo box and I noticed something I >> hadn't before, scrolling through the header list has become rather slow :( > Hm. What mechanism are you using to scroll? Dragging the scrollbar with > the mouse, holding the down-arrow key, page-down key, etc? Either using the scrollbar or the mousewheel (it happens with both). > I'm not seeing the same thing on my end, so I'm wondering if you > just upgraded gcc to 4.1.1 like the rest of us gentoo freaks? There > are some minor pitfalls... As a matter of fact I did reinstall Gentoo 2006.1 yesterday which does indeed come with GCC-4.1.1 by default. I've heard a lot of people complain about GCC 4.1.1 though I have to say this seems to be the first time I've ran into an issue with it, if this is in fact caused by gcc 4.1.1. I'll try to see if I can get the Gentoo installation on my laptop going again, which still uses GCC 3.4.something I think, and see if it doesn't happen there. From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 11 21:04:36 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GMwhX-0007ea-TM for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:04:35 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMwhV-0007cd-6q for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:04:33 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GMwhT-0007Zq-Ab for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:04:32 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMwhT-0007Zh-2Q for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:04:31 -0400 Received: from [68.230.240.37] (helo=eastrmmtao02.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMwiq-0005Ho-OQ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:05:56 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060912010426.NGQE10599.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:04:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id MD4D1V00K4amFmC0000000 Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:04:14 -0400 Message-ID: <45060799.9030108@rebelbase.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:04:25 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: 0.112 - Sluggishness when scrolling through headers References: <4505CBAB.8000001@xs4all.nl> <4505FAC9.5090707@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <4505FAC9.5090707@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:04:33 -0000 Hans Nieser wrote: > walt wrote: >> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:48:43 +0200, Hans Nieser wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> Today I emerged pan 0.112 on my Gentoo box and I noticed something I >>> hadn't before, scrolling through the header list has become rather slow :( > >> Hm. What mechanism are you using to scroll? Dragging the scrollbar with >> the mouse, holding the down-arrow key, page-down key, etc? > > Either using the scrollbar or the mousewheel (it happens with both). Pan's doing absolutely nothing to make this slow. By the time the header pane is populated, it's all gtk+ from there -- so I suspect it's something wrong with your setup. :( From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 12 08:36:34 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GN7VC-0005DF-KS for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:36:34 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GN7VA-0005Au-Eo for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:36:32 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GN7V6-0005AI-CS for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:36:31 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GN7V6-0005AF-8P for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:36:28 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.33] (helo=smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GN7Wa-0001qz-NG for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:38:00 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (aphax.nl [82.92.29.227]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8CCZsbe073561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:35:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from h.nieser@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <4506A95F.7010207@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:34:39 +0200 From: Hans Nieser User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060910) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: 0.112 - Sluggishness when scrolling through headers References: <4505CBAB.8000001@xs4all.nl> <4505FAC9.5090707@xs4all.nl> <45060799.9030108@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <45060799.9030108@rebelbase.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:36:32 -0000 Charles Kerr wrote: > Hans Nieser wrote: >> walt wrote: >>> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:48:43 +0200, Hans Nieser wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> Today I emerged pan 0.112 on my Gentoo box and I noticed something I >>>> hadn't before, scrolling through the header list has become rather >>>> slow :( >> >>> Hm. What mechanism are you using to scroll? Dragging the scrollbar >>> with >>> the mouse, holding the down-arrow key, page-down key, etc? >> >> Either using the scrollbar or the mousewheel (it happens with both). > > Pan's doing absolutely nothing to make this slow. By the time the > header pane is populated, it's all gtk+ from there -- so I suspect > it's something wrong with your setup. :( You were right, it turns out to have been caused by me having subpixel antialising/hinting enabled. This was actually my first suspect since I had recently enabled it, but I thought I had turned it off, but KDE's settings were apparently overriding GNOME's =] Sorry for the noise! From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 12 11:28:06 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GNABC-0006TK-It for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:28:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNABB-0006SF-06 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:28:05 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNAB8-0006Qs-Jf for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:28:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNAB8-0006Qh-7Y for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:28:02 -0400 Received: from [64.233.184.225] (helo=wr-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNACd-00088y-1k for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:29:35 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so578703wri for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:27:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BS5zcCeJsdIJ+NJBHiSPsCrlvXPLoG9iPAx/ocYjxPpWK3UXdzSb5jzhLIcxd8RC3TrWmb8X7ri7i5x7JQlPodyhP1MwlivHbsYr/RcYfOUETzkLqWSCyh0DNND4GvyIv9tYnZoBI8MX9QRMRdkftHNOBgboFviXF89xTmyTDLY= Received: by 10.90.78.16 with SMTP id a16mr2181441agb; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.145.9 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:27:47 -0500 From: Phil To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Pan 0.111 shuts down when loading new msgs from group in XFCE In-Reply-To: <20060909190818.f212d357.dcb@pa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060909190818.f212d357.dcb@pa.net> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:28:05 -0000 Yes, the new version fixes my problems. It doesn't crash anymore after loading headers. I can see that this is one of the bugs that was fixed in the release notes. :-) On 09/09/06, Douglas Bollinger wrote: > On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 12:05:59 -0500 > Phil wrote: > > > I have had a problem with the last 2-3 versions (weekly > > betas) of Pan. Pan will often completely close down with no error > > messages when going to a new newsgroup and downloading new msgs. This > > doesn't happen all the time, but at least a good 30-40% of the time. > > I'm running the XFCE desktop if that makes any difference (Xubuntu) > > Charles squashed a couple of mean Pan crashers this week. Whenever it's > posted, give .112 a try and see if you are still having problems. > > -- > You can learn many things from children. How much patience you have, > for instance. > -- Franklin P. Jones > > > _______________________________________________ > Pan-users mailing list > Pan-users@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users > From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 12 12:38:43 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GNBHX-0002HK-0g for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:38:43 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNBHU-0002FB-Lt for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:38:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNBHQ-0002Al-PM for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:38:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNBHQ-0002AZ-JC for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:38:36 -0400 Received: from [199.231.136.142] (helo=email12.mywebmailserver.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNBIx-0006s8-Ff for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:40:11 -0400 Received: from athlon ([217.14.102.77]) by email12.mywebmailserver.com (IntelliMail) with ASMTP id CRY74585 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:38:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:38:19 +0500 From: George Sherwood To: pan-users@nongnu.org Message-ID: <20060912213819.5f051228@athlon> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.10.3; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: [Pan-users] 0.112 lockup X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:38:41 -0000 LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkVEIE1FU1NBR0UtLS0tLQ0KSGFzaDogU0hBMQ0KDQpJcyBhbnkg b25lIGVsc2Ugc2VlaW5nIGxvY2t1cHMgd2l0aCAwLjExMj8gSWYgSSBnZXQgbmV3IGhlYWRlcnMg YW5kDQp0aGVuIGNsaWNrIG9uIHRoZSBuZXdzZ3JvdXAgcGFuIHdpbGwgZnJlZXplIHVwIGFuZCBJ IGhhdmUgdG8gdXNlIGtpbGwuDQpBZnRlciB0aGlzIGlmIEkgcmVzdGFydCBwYW4sIEkgY2xpY2sg b24gdGhlIGdyb3VwIGFuZCBhbGwgYWN0cw0Kbm9ybWFsbHkuICBJIGRvd25ncmFkZWQgdG8gMC4x MTEgYW5kIGFtIG5vdCBzZWVpbmcgYW55IGxvY2t1cHMuDQoNCkkgYW0gdXNpbmcgZ3RrKzIgdmVy c2lvbiAyLjEwLjMgaWYgdGhpcyBtYWtlcyBhbnkgZGlmZmVyZW5jZS4NCg0KR2VvcmdlIFNoZXJ3 b29kDQotLS0tLUJFR0lOIFBHUCBTSUdOQVRVUkUtLS0tLQ0KVmVyc2lvbjogR251UEcgdjEuNC41 IChHTlUvTGludXgpDQoNCmlEOERCUUZGQnVKOWtWSm5ma2dLZzYwUkFuakpBSjlhUWpKZDdiSytq OHdBdWRMakJVOWkwMTFacUFDZ2h1dEgNClJWRllxUWJMd0U3MDVjQWw4WWh2WUxFPQ0KPW9wY2EN Ci0tLS0tRU5EIFBHUCBTSUdOQVRVUkUtLS0tLQ0K From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 12 15:13:29 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GNDhJ-0001VP-Qa for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:13:29 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNDhI-0001UL-3Q for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:13:28 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNDhF-0001RX-Tv for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:13:26 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNDhF-0001RO-QU for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:13:25 -0400 Received: from [212.27.42.28] (helo=smtp2-g19.free.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNDio-0006hq-8l for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:15:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (pat35-1-82-229-60-246.fbx.proxad.net [82.229.60.246]) by smtp2-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D43075B99 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:13:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <45070787.7060300@free.fr> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:16:23 +0200 From: GISQUET Christophe User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Pan-users] Alternate win32 installer proposal X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:13:28 -0000 Hello, I've been too button-happy and accidentally removed the pan mails that were relevant to my subject, and therefore I am posting my matter to this new thread. In a bug report [1], I propose an addition to have a cross-compilable setup (based on the NSIS GPL'ed software, tested under Debian) and the corresponding patch(es). An old installer is present at [2], but I currently have no time to update it and the corresponding patches. This set of patches features interesting (I believe) stuff such as: - gtkspell support, although this adds another dependency on aspell at runtime. - custom fetching of aspell and language dictionaries from within the installer (inspired from the gaim installer) - modification for win32 of the install goal so as to build the installer instead of installing files under $prefix. I was expecting Darren to report whether he could build without too much difficulties, but as he hasn't shown up yet, I would like to ask if anyone making win32 builds from source would be so kind as to test these patches. As I said, it was made for 0.108, but I have good hope it applies cleanly, albeit with some fuzz. On [3], I also provide some pre-compiled libraries (and with modified [butchered] source at their side) as required by the expected statical inclusion of pcre (i.e. no pcre3.dll alongside). [1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351497 [2] http://christophe.gisquet.free.fr/pan/pan-0.108-setup.exe [3] http://christophe.gisquet.free.fr/pan/ Best regards, -- Christophe GISQUET From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 13 04:37:50 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GNQFi-00046V-HN for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:37:50 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNQFf-00043u-K7 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:37:47 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNQFd-00042I-Ko for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:37:46 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNQFd-000429-Ba for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:37:45 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GNQHJ-0000JF-EU for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:39:29 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GNQFE-0007x7-3O for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:37:20 +0200 Received: from 213.91.219.2 ([213.91.219.2]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:37:20 +0200 Received: from yavor by 213.91.219.2 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:37:20 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Yavor Doganov Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:36:54 +0300 Lines: 3 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.91.219.2 User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table (Debian GNU/Linux)) X-What_are_we_fighting_for: NO SOFTWARE PATENTS! NO BANANA REPUBLIC! Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] [OT] Newsgroup for test messages X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:37:48 -0000 I'm playing with LuserNET (a newsreader for GNUstep which has literally no features compared to Pan). Is there a newsgroup at Gmane where I can send test messages without the fear of annoying someone? From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 13 04:45:31 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GNQN9-0008Qg-5i for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:45:31 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNQN6-0008Q4-UV for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:45:29 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNQN5-0008PW-PE for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:45:28 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNQN5-0008PR-Gu for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:45:27 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GNQOl-0000tl-IL for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:47:11 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GNQMf-000197-WB for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:45:02 +0200 Received: from 213.91.219.2 ([213.91.219.2]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:45:01 +0200 Received: from yavor by 213.91.219.2 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:45:01 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Yavor Doganov Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:42:05 +0300 Lines: 3 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.91.219.2 User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table (Debian GNU/Linux)) X-What_are_we_fighting_for: NO SOFTWARE PATENTS! NO BANANA REPUBLIC! Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] [OT] Newsgroup for testing X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:45:29 -0000 I'm playing with LuserNET (a newsreader for GNUstep that literally has no features compared to Pan). Is there a special newsgroup at Gmane where I can send test articles without annoying someone? From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 13 04:51:54 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GNQTK-0003WU-8D for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:51:54 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNQTH-0003Tz-1S for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:51:51 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNQTF-0003SL-Gy for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:51:50 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNQTF-0003SB-A9 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:51:49 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GNQUv-0001KJ-CK for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:53:33 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GNQT3-0002aC-BV for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:51:37 +0200 Received: from 213.91.219.2 ([213.91.219.2]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:51:37 +0200 Received: from yavor by 213.91.219.2 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:51:37 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Yavor Doganov Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:51:08 +0300 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.91.219.2 User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table (Debian GNU/Linux)) X-What_are_we_fighting_for: NO SOFTWARE PATENTS! NO BANANA REPUBLIC! Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: [OT] Newsgroup for test messages X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:51:52 -0000 Ð’ Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:36:54 +0300, Yavor Doganov напиÑа: > Is there a newsgroup at Gmane where I can send test messages without > the fear of annoying someone? Just to make it clear, I'm trying to implement some tiny features so I'm not talking only about one or two messages, possibly. P.S. I apologize for the duplicate article with the similar subject. From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 13 08:25:39 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GNToB-00034l-Mk for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:25:39 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNTo9-00032X-CO for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:25:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNTo7-000304-OX for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:25:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNTo7-0002zm-H4 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:25:35 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GNTpp-0003IU-MW for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:27:22 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GNTna-0007lK-5B for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:25:02 +0200 Received: from bordeaux.rn.informatics.scitech.susx.ac.uk ([139.184.48.176]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:25:02 +0200 Received: from lionelbuk by bordeaux.rn.informatics.scitech.susx.ac.uk with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:25:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Lionel B" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: bordeaux.rn.informatics.scitech.susx.ac.uk User-Agent: pan 0.109 (Beable) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: [OT] Newsgroup for test messages X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:25:37 -0000 On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:36:54 +0300, Yavor Doganov wrote: > I'm playing with LuserNET (a newsreader for GNUstep which has > literally no features compared to Pan). Is there a newsgroup at Gmane > where I can send test messages without the fear of annoying someone? gmane.test -- Lionel B From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 13 18:13:38 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GNczB-0006CG-T1 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:13:37 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNczA-0006C4-Us for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:13:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNcz8-0006Bb-Qe for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:13:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNcz8-0006BW-LC for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:13:34 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GNd0w-0006Vd-Oq for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:15:26 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GNcys-0004OG-Pd for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:13:18 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:13:18 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:13:18 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: [OT] Newsgroup for testing X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:13:37 -0000 Yavor Doganov posted pan.2006.09.13.08.42.04.323964@doganov.org, excerpted below, on Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:42:05 +0300: > I'm playing with LuserNET (a newsreader for GNUstep that literally has > no features compared to Pan). Is there a special newsgroup at Gmane > where I can send test articles without annoying someone? Yes, there is. gmane.test IIRC. A quick check shows it, plus a couple others (like gmane.test.yahoo) for testing specific listservs. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 13 18:20:11 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GNd5X-0001cz-3W for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:20:11 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNd5V-0001bp-E5 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:20:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNd5T-0001Zl-4r for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:20:08 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNd5S-0001ZV-VU for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:20:07 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GNd7H-0006w9-3N for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:21:59 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GNd5O-0005nB-58 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:20:02 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:20:02 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:20:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <20060912213819.5f051228@athlon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: 0.112 lockup X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:20:10 -0000 George Sherwood posted 20060912213819.5f051228@athlon, excerpted below, on Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:38:19 +0500: > Is any one else seeing lockups with 0.112? If I get new headers and then > click on the newsgroup pan will freeze up and I have to use kill. After > this if I restart pan, I click on the group and all acts normally. I > downgraded to 0.111 and am not seeing any lockups. > > I am using gtk+2 version 2.10.3 if this makes any difference. No lockups here. However, amd64 dual Opteron w/ 8 gigs memory makes my situation a bit atypical. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 13 21:57:36 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GNgTw-0005Y0-BA for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:57:36 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNgTt-0005Uy-LI for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:57:33 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNgTp-0005SA-Di for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:57:32 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNgTp-0005S7-AO for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:57:29 -0400 Received: from [24.214.63.101] (helo=smtp.knology.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GNgVe-0006kZ-4r for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:59:22 -0400 Received: (qmail 29367 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2006 01:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.6?) (216.186.148.249) by smtp6.knology.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 01:57:14 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: pan-users@nongnu.org From: David Kelly Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:57:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Subject: [Pan-users] 0.112 problems X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:57:34 -0000 Probably with 0.111 as well. Under FreeBSD 6.1. Have skipped several weeks of pan betas. Built 0.111 and ran it a few days, and now a few days of 0.112 and am not yet ready to replace 0.14.2.91. Both 0.111 and 0.112 downloads at about half the rate of '.91, then gets slower, and slower, and eventually halts. Same news server, throttled to 2 connections within pan. If allowed to run 4 connections 0.112 can peak at my full cable modem rate of 500 KiB/ sec, then slows, and finally stops. Attempts to restart tasks does nothing. Quit pan and restart and full speed is resumed, for a while. Doesn't seem to matter if I have one or two news servers configured, or whether both are primary or one is primary and the other "backup". Am not clear as to what the difference is, other than it appears backup is not used unless an error occurs on primary. The task manager doesn't indicate which server(s) it is using. Reliable way to cause a core dump: Download new headers in a group at the same time delete a block of messages from the same group. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 14 04:19:13 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GNmRE-0007YC-NA for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:19:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNmRB-0007WH-TX for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:19:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNmR9-0007VS-NG for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:19:09 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNmR9-0007V5-5u for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:19:07 -0400 Received: from [82.130.106.80] (helo=neptun.localhost) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNmT3-0005Ax-3o for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:21:05 -0400 Received: by neptun.localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4B6CC105CE7; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:19:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Michael Wild To: pan-users@nongnu.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:19:04 +0200 Message-Id: <1158221944.21587.3.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 Subject: [Pan-users] customize keybindings X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:19:11 -0000 hi all i know how to customize the key bindings in pan (the method mentioned in the FAQ by pointing on the menu item and then pressing the key combination). however, this seems to work only for "modified" keys, not for unmodified ones (e.g. "Ctrl-a" works fine, "a" however doesn't). i can see that there are some unmodified keys assigned by default, so it should be possible... however, i can't seem to find where pan stores the key bindings (i couldn't find it in gconf and ~/.pan2). the only thing i came up with is the file ~/.pan2/accels.txt which is a dump of the key bindings. thanks for any help in advance michael From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 14 10:16:50 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GNs1K-00064E-9s for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:16:50 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNs1I-000630-Gw for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:16:48 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNs1G-00061s-OY for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:16:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNs1G-00061i-IT for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:16:46 -0400 Received: from [68.142.225.207] (helo=smtp109.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNs3D-0001S4-SP for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:18:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 36725 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 14:16:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wcJ1h3QmxSfnVRS8RBx2sCpyQp44ky2BT5FYbQTc7AwFHg2OzEp2kaTIHJYnvYIuqY8XZzq1WQCx8BhkUOYos6C2o4nOpK7q4seSSi02WgOhaoGGEx5twfVQHHi7DTyVajLm4OEJBsPcZfclmHabBs7vm2gv8XaKV35B+Z7A4+8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (blsonne@rogers.com@70.28.107.35 with plain) by smtp109.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 14:16:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4509644B.4000006@rogers.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:16:43 -0400 From: Byron Sonne User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" References: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:16:48 -0000 Man... the suse x86_64 binary rocks - runs much snappier and lighter weight :) Did some heavy work with it last night and not a single crash or problem. You guys rock! From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 14 15:22:25 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GNwn3-0006jg-FX for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:22:25 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNwn1-0006gd-9v for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:22:23 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GNwmy-0006by-Gl for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:22:22 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNwmy-0006bn-9V for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:22:20 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GNwoy-0007xP-8j for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:24:24 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GNwmi-0005Rf-R6 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:22:04 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:22:04 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:22:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 311 Message-ID: References: <1158221944.21587.3.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: customize keybindings X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:22:23 -0000 Michael Wild posted 1158221944.21587.3.camel@localhost, excerpted below, on Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:19:04 +0200: > i know how to customize the key bindings in pan (the method mentioned in > the FAQ by pointing on the menu item and then pressing the key > combination). however, this seems to work only for "modified" keys, not > for unmodified ones (e.g. "Ctrl-a" works fine, "a" however doesn't). i can > see that there are some unmodified keys assigned by default, so it should > be possible... however, i can't seem to find where pan stores the key > bindings (i couldn't find it in gconf and ~/.pan2). the only thing i came > up with is the file ~/.pan2/accels.txt which is a dump of the key > bindings. Interesting. I hadn't been able to get the GUI edit method to work with new-pan, tho it worked with old-pan (0.14.x) just fine. It's probably that old gtk setting that I thought was no longer needed. There are two different ways to address your question. 1) In old-pan, and I assume in new-pan, adding unmodified accels using the GUI method DID work, but there was one BIG exception. Any accel used as a /menu/ accel couldn't be added with the GUI, because it would trigger the menu action instead and that took precedence. As an example, in the file menu, you couldn't add the "w" accel to any function, since it's a /menu/ accel for "Work Online". You could however add the "z" accel, since it's not a menu accel in that menu, or "ctrl-w", since the modifier cancels the menu accel effect. You could also add "w" as an accel on a different menu where it's not used as a menu accel. 2) The file you mentioned, accels.txt, is indeed where pan stores the accels. Edit it and you edit pan's accel mapping. Of course, you must edit it with pan closed, or when you close the pan session with the existing mappings, it'll overwrite the new ones you just saved. There are some tricks to editing the file, however. First, beginning a line with a semicolon (;) indicates a comment -- pan ignores that line. All the default accels are commented, so don't forget to remove that semicolon when you change them or pan will ignore the change. Second, pan overwrites the file at every close with an unordered dump of its existing accel mapping. This means that editing it is a bit of a challenge. For just one or two changes, using your text editor's find function is probably easiest. For more systematic changes, it's worthwhile to make a separate edit copy, reorder it to menu order or whatever, and always make your changes there, then copy it over the pan version so pan will pick up the changes next time it opens (and again overwrite the nice formatting next time it closes, but that's fine, since it's not your edit copy). I have attached under my sig (using the pan-attach script I've posted in the past, in text/identity mode) a copy of my accels.txt edit file, which should be useful. Even if you don't particularly like my accels scheme, it's in menu order, saving you the hassle of duplicating my reordering effort. As well, it illustrates a couple useful techniques I've picked up with experience. Note the breaking up into sections by menu using comment lines, and the used accels table at the bottom. The latter was very useful as I was setting up the scheme, making it easy to see which accels were used and which were available for use, altho it does mean making changes in two different places, the table and the actual accel, any time I change something. The scheme used is designed to be fairly simple. The "a" accel with and without modifier is used for two things, for instance, the traditional ctrl-a select-all (ctrl-a for all article, add the alt for the alternate function, all headers), and for "article", as in "a" for "next article", shift-a (shift as negate/undo) for previous article, alt-a (alt again indicates alt-function) for next /unread/ article, etc. Similarly for g=groups, t=threads, etc. Again, you may or may not find the scheme itself useful. If not, it'll still be easier to modify this file than to duplicate the time I spend reordering mine, and it does usefully illustrate the section comment and accel table concepts. Of course, once you switch to the manual edit file method over the gui method, you can't use the GUI method for any permanent changes unless you have no interest in using the manual method again, as the changes won't be propagated back to the edit file. You can of course still experiment with a change using the GUI, and then erase or make the change permanent by either overwriting the pan file with the edit file, or making the change in the edit file. Hope this has helped! =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ; pan GtkAccelMap rc-file -*- scheme -*- ; this file is an automated accelerator map dump ;############################################################################### ;############################################################################### ;############################################################################### ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/file-menu" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/import-tasks" "o") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/cancel-last-task" "Delete") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/work-online" "l") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/show-task-window" "t") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/show-log-dialog" "l") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/quit" "q") ;############################################################################### ;############################################################################### ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/edit-menu" "") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/select-all-articles" "a") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/add-subthreads-to-selection" "t") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/add-threads-to-selection" "t") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/add-similar-articles-to-selection" "") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/unselect-all-articles" "a") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/select-article-body" "a") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/show-servers-dialog" "n") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/show-profiles-dialog" "p") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/show-preferences-dialog" "p") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/show-group-preferences-dialog" "g") ;############################################################################### ;############################################################################### ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/view-menu" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/show-toolbar" "") ;############################################################################### ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/view-layout-menu" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/tabbed-layout" "z") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/jump-to-group-tab" "1") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/jump-to-header-tab" "2") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/jump-to-body-tab" "3") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/show-group-pane" "1") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/show-header-pane" "2") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/show-body-pane" "3") ;############################################################################### ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/view-group-pane-menu" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/shorten-group-names" "b") ;############################################################################### ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/view-header-pane-menu" "") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/thread-headers" "t") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/show-matching-articles" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/show-matching-threads" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/show-matching-subthreads" "") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/match-only-unread-articles" "r") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/match-only-cached-articles" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/match-only-binary-articles" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/match-only-my-articles" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/match-watched-articles" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/match-high-scoring-articles" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/match-medium-scoring-articles" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/match-normal-scoring-articles" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/match-low-scoring-articles" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/match-ignored-articles" "") ;############################################################################### ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/view-body-pane-menu" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/wrap-article-body" "w") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/mute-quoted-text" "q") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/show-all-headers" "h") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/rot13-selected-text" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/monospace-font-enabled" "c") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/show-smilies-as-graphics" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/show-text-markup" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/size-pictures-to-fit" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/smooth-scrolling" "") ;############################################################################### ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/character-encoding-menu" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-ISO-8859-4" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-ISO-8859-13" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-windows-1257" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-ISO-8859-2" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-windows-1250" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-gb2312" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-big5" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-ISO-8859-5" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-windows-1251" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-KOI8-R" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-KOI8-U" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-ISO-8859-7" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-ISO-2022-jp" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-euc-kr" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-ISO-8859-9" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-ISO-8859-1" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-ISO-8859-15" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-windows-1252" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/charset-UTF-8" "") ;############################################################################### ;############################################################################### ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/go-menu" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/read-more" "space") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/read-less" "BackSpace") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/read-next-unread-group" "g") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/read-next-group" "g") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/read-next-unread-article" "a") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/read-next-article" "a") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/read-next-watched-article" "") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/read-previous-article" "a") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/read-parent-article" "a") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/read-next-unread-thread" "t") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/read-next-thread" "t") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/read-previous-thread" "t") ;############################################################################### ;############################################################################### ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/group-actions-menu" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/read-selected-group" "") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/mark-groups-read" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/download-headers" "") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/get-new-headers-in-selected-groups" "h") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/get-new-headers-in-subscribed-groups" "h") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/subscribe" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/unsubscribe" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/refresh-group-list" "") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/delete-groups-articles" "") ;############################################################################### ;############################################################################### ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/article-actions-menu" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/save-articles" "s") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/read-selected-article" "") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/download-selected-article" "d") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/mark-article-read" "m") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/mark-article-unread" "m") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/view-article-score" "s") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/add-article-score" "s") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/watch-thread" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/ignore-thread" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/plonk" "") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/print" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/delete-article" "Delete") ;############################################################################### ;############################################################################### ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/posting-actions-menu" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/post" "p") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/followup" "f") (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/reply-to" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/supersede-article" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/cancel-article" "") ;############################################################################### ;############################################################################### ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/help-menu" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/pan-web-page" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/tip-jar" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/bug-report" "") ; (gtk_accel_path "/Actions/about-pan" "") ;############################################################################### ;############################################################################### ;############################################################################### ; ********* Used Accel table ********* ; Char Pln Ctl Shf CtlShf Alt CtlAlt AltShf CtlAltSh ; a a c-a s-a a-a ca-a as-a cas-a ; b b ; c c ; d d ; e ; f f ; g g a-g cas-g ; h h c-h ca-h ; i ; j ; k ; l l cas-l ; m m s-m ; n cas-n ; o c-o ; p p c-p cas-p ; q q c-q ; r r ; s s c-s s-s ; t t c-t s-t cs-t a-t ca-t cas-t ; u u ; v v ; w w ; x ; y ; z z ; backtick doesn't work ; 1 1 c-1 ; 2 2 c-2 ; 3 3 c-3 ; 4 ; 5 ; 6 ; 7 ; 8 ; 9 ; 0 ; - ; = ; home home ; end end ; pgup pgup ; pgdn pgdn ; ins ; del del c-del ; spc spc ; bs bs ; tab tab ; cr cr ; esc esc ; f1 ; f2 ; f3 ; f4 ; f5 ; f6 ; f7 ; f8 ; f9 ; f10 ; f11 ; f12 ; [ ; ] ; \ ; ; ; ' ; , ; . ; / From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 15 06:34:02 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOB1G-0003ox-Ah for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:34:02 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOB1D-0003km-Pt for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:33:59 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOB1C-0003jh-Np for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:33:59 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOB1C-0003jW-K3 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:33:58 -0400 Received: from [82.130.106.80] (helo=neptun.localhost) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOB3L-0001P2-L8 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:36:11 -0400 Received: by neptun.localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 89BA0105B65; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:33:56 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: customize keybindings From: Michael Wild To: pan-users@nongnu.org In-Reply-To: References: <1158221944.21587.3.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:33:55 +0200 Message-Id: <1158316435.1559.5.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:34:00 -0000 On Thu, 2006-09-14 at 19:21 +0000, Duncan wrote: > > Interesting. I hadn't been able to get the GUI edit method to work with > new-pan, tho it worked with old-pan (0.14.x) just fine. It's probably > that old gtk setting that I thought was no longer needed. > you'll have to enable it (e.g. in your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file or in gconf, just can't remember the key now. google will help, as it did for me:-)) > There are two different ways to address your question. > > 1) In old-pan, and I assume in new-pan, adding unmodified accels using > the GUI method DID work, but there was one BIG exception. Any accel > used as a /menu/ accel couldn't be added with the GUI, because it would > trigger the menu action instead and that took precedence. now i know, where my problem came from :-) > > 2) The file you mentioned, accels.txt, is indeed where pan stores the > accels. Edit it and you edit pan's accel mapping. Of course, you must > edit it with pan closed, or when you close the pan session with the > existing mappings, it'll overwrite the new ones you just saved. stupid me... of course. got it working now! > I have attached under my sig (using the pan-attach script I've posted in > the past, in text/identity mode) a copy of my accels.txt edit file, which > should be useful. now, that is useful! > Hope this has helped! =8^) > > -- > Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. > "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- > and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman > thanks very much, duncan! this helped me a lot (although stupid me didn't realise, that accels.txt got overwritten after each quit...). michael From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 15 12:06:48 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOGDH-0001fY-NS for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:06:47 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOGDG-0001eg-Bd for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:06:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOGDC-0001bI-Fs for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:06:44 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOGDC-0001ax-Bw for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:06:42 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOGFO-0002eI-AL for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:08:58 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GOGD9-00052C-32 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:06:39 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:06:39 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:06:39 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <1158221944.21587.3.camel@localhost> <1158316435.1559.5.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: customize keybindings X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:06:46 -0000 Michael Wild posted 1158316435.1559.5.camel@localhost, excerpted below, on Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:33:55 +0200: > On Thu, 2006-09-14 at 19:21 +0000, Duncan wrote: >> >> Interesting. I hadn't been able to get the GUI edit method to work with >> new-pan, tho it worked with old-pan (0.14.x) just fine. It's probably >> that old gtk setting that I thought was no longer needed. >> > > you'll have to enable it (e.g. in your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file or in gconf, > just can't remember the key now. google will help, as it did for me:-)) Yeah. I'm aware of it but as I said, hadn't had a problem with old-pan for so long I thought GTK had wised up and it was now the default. Guess I was wrong, and the setting I had been using eventually disappeared from my config somehow. =8^( Anyway, I think I'll not bother with that, since manually editing the accels.txt works and works well, once you know the tricks and have a decently ordered edit file to work with. >> 1) In old-pan, and I assume in new-pan, adding unmodified accels using >> the GUI method DID work, but there was one BIG exception. Any accel >> used as a /menu/ accel couldn't be added with the GUI, because it would >> trigger the menu action instead and that took precedence. > > now i know, where my problem came from :-) Tricky, isn't it. Glad I could clear that up! =8^) >> I have attached under my sig (using the pan-attach script I've posted in >> the past, in text/identity mode) a copy of my accels.txt edit file, which >> should be useful. > > now, that is useful! Thanks! It's nice knowing my hard work has been found useful, once in awhile. =8^) > thanks very much, duncan! this helped me a lot (although stupid me > didn't realise, that accels.txt got overwritten after each quit...). As I said, there are some tricks to figure out, but once you do... =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 15 16:04:06 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOJuw-0007rX-M9 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:04:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOJuu-0007nd-6l for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:04:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOJut-0007mQ-Au for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:04:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOJut-0007mB-4u for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:04:03 -0400 Received: from [64.233.162.202] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOJx7-00034B-KJ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:06:21 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so1501101nzf for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:04:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BHiB/pToqDXNpvPoavYLOzGgIfCy/jeTeDk8pOer2TNi8PDK37gmZnSHhM8M/nk5XplYMxBBMHnFPuaUNqiSbGYnqRDa1QLUlVwfkdZxeJnuy/alPzlz680T+5RJMCAMhuvb6QhwRCqzD1t91jK6jGiEIPcY1xNeT/sekQ9Mgtg= Received: by 10.65.160.7 with SMTP id m7mr12343643qbo; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.145.5 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:04:01 -0500 From: Phil To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" In-Reply-To: <4509644B.4000006@rogers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> <4509644B.4000006@rogers.com> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:04:04 -0000 I'm still getting a few random shutdowns of Pan when loading new headers. It isn't as severe as before (0.111). It only happens I'd say about 10% of the time now as opposed to 30-40% of the time, so there were definatly some of these bugs fixed, but I think there are still a few left that is causing this weird behavior. From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 15 17:30:15 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOLGJ-0002m3-Ie for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:30:15 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOLGH-0002ly-VB for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:30:13 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOLGF-0002lK-Br for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:30:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOLGF-0002l8-7Z for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:30:11 -0400 Received: from [205.166.61.207] (helo=smtp0.ctinetworks.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOLIU-0001Sh-Q8 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:32:30 -0400 Received: from ghidorah (dsl-206-251-8-239.dsl0.crls.pa.net [206.251.8.239]) by smtp0.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BD5381C534 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:29:54 -0400 From: Douglas Bollinger To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" Message-Id: <20060915172954.3fca0631.dcb@pa.net> In-Reply-To: References: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> <4509644B.4000006@rogers.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.6 (GTK+ 2.8.19; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ctinetworks-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ctinetworks-VirusCheck: Found to be clean X-ctinetworks-SpamCheck: X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:30:14 -0000 On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:04:01 -0500 Phil wrote: > I'm still getting a few random shutdowns of Pan when loading new > headers. It isn't as severe as before (0.111). It only happens I'd > say about 10% of the time now as opposed to 30-40% of the time, so > there were definatly some of these bugs fixed, but I think there are > still a few left that is causing this weird behavior. Not that I doubt you, but for me 0.112 hasn't crashed yet. You need to get a backtrace and post a bug report on bugzilla so Charles can have a chance of fixing the problem. It's part of the fun of running betas. :) -- Lisa: Dad, I think that's pretty spurious. Homer: Well, thank you, honey. -- Homer Simpson Homer vs. Lisa and the 8th Commandment From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 15 18:46:17 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOMRt-00047q-33 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:46:17 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOMRq-000442-UI for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:46:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOMRp-00041h-Bd for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:46:14 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOMRp-00041e-4W for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:46:13 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOMU5-0006xn-AZ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:48:33 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GOMRm-0001uS-75 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:46:10 +0200 Received: from nat.nssl.noaa.gov ([129.15.69.8]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:46:10 +0200 Received: from charles by nat.nssl.noaa.gov with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:46:10 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "charles kerr" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 12 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nat.nssl.noaa.gov User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] How's 0.112 working for you? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:46:15 -0000 I think I'll pass on a release this weekend -- there's nothing really new except a small threading speed tweak and maybe 2M of memory shaved off the 'top'. The reason for this slow cycle? Not very many bugs were reported this week, and most of them were enhancement requests. Either 0.112 is working pretty well, or everyone's burned out from the weekly betas. If it's the former, then RC1 should be the next release IMO. Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 15 20:32:44 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOO6u-0008DQ-3W for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:32:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOO6s-0008Cn-1w for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:32:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOO6p-0008C5-7u for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:32:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOO6o-0008C0-ST for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:32:38 -0400 Received: from [24.214.63.101] (helo=smtp.knology.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOO96-0007wL-47 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:35:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 2972 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2006 00:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.6?) (216.186.148.249) by smtp7.knology.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 00:32:36 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <06D41F2D-E6D0-47FD-BC3D-4F9620F743AA@HiWAAY.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Kelly Subject: Re: [Pan-users] How's 0.112 working for you? Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:32:34 -0500 To: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:32:42 -0000 On Sep 15, 2006, at 5:45 PM, charles kerr wrote: > The reason for this slow cycle? Not very many bugs were > reported this week, and most of them were enhancement requests. Was crashing 0.112 earlier this week so at the above taunt I crashed it again just now. Then filed #356206 at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ Other than crashing, 0.111 and 0.112 download slower than 0.14.2.91 and get slower and slower until download stops. Restarting stuck partial downloads in the Task Manager, doesn't. But exit from pan and restart, the old Task list is resumed and articles resume their download. Slowdown happens whether I have one or two news servers configured. Whether or not both are primary or one is primary and the other backup. Whether or not both are reachable. No matter what option I select when adding tasks to the list, tasks do not land in the task list in the same order as selected in the header list. The headers may be listed in numerical order part001.rar, part002.rar, ... but the tasks are not necessarily in that order, no matter my repeated selection of "at the bottom." Speaking of which, my previous method of adding new tasks to the list doesn't stick between uses as the default for the next use. Always reverts to "download oldest first." As for enhancements, I'd like to be able to monitor the status of multiple configured news servers. Just what is each being asked to do? Whether or not both are reachable. I get a fair amount of warnings and "unreachable" and "socket errors" from pan via stderr. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 15 20:43:56 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOOHk-0003Bx-DB for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:43:56 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOOHi-00038K-TI for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:43:54 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOOHh-00037G-E1 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:43:54 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOOHh-00037D-7N for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:43:53 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOOJx-0000KR-VV for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:46:14 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GOOHd-0006An-My for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:43:49 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:43:49 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:43:49 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:43:55 -0000 "charles kerr" posted eefaf0$qt3$1@sea.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:45:52 +0000: > I think I'll pass on a release this weekend -- there's nothing > really new except a small threading speed tweak and maybe 2M > of memory shaved off the 'top'. > > The reason for this slow cycle? Not very many bugs were > reported this week, and most of them were enhancement requests. > Either 0.112 is working pretty well, or everyone's burned out > from the weekly betas. > > If it's the former, then RC1 should be the next release IMO. It's working great here, great job as far as I can see! =8^) There are still a couple folks reporting crashes as I'm sure you can see. Of course, you can't do much with them if you don't have more info to go on than that, and holding up 1.0 for such untraceable bugs makes little sense either, as there's always /someone/ with a bug, so bring on rc1, it would seem. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 15 20:50:23 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOONz-00066g-Fu for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:50:23 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOONy-00066b-Cc for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:50:22 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOONv-00066P-F5 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:50:21 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOONv-00066M-Cd for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:50:19 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.35] (helo=smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOOQC-0000iO-Fe for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:52:40 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (aphax.nl [82.92.29.227]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8G0oFhE036552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:50:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from h.nieser@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <450B49FE.8010603@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:49:02 +0200 From: Hans Nieser User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060910) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" References: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> <4509644B.4000006@rogers.com> <20060915172954.3fca0631.dcb@pa.net> In-Reply-To: <20060915172954.3fca0631.dcb@pa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:50:22 -0000 Douglas Bollinger wrote: > On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:04:01 -0500 > Phil wrote: > >> I'm still getting a few random shutdowns of Pan when loading new >> headers. It isn't as severe as before (0.111). It only happens I'd >> say about 10% of the time now as opposed to 30-40% of the time, so >> there were definatly some of these bugs fixed, but I think there are >> still a few left that is causing this weird behavior. > > Not that I doubt you, but for me 0.112 hasn't crashed yet. > > You need to get a backtrace and post a bug report on bugzilla so Charles can > have a chance of fixing the problem. It's part of the fun of running betas. > :) > I'm getting the odd crash here and there with 0.112 when loading headers or sorting headers in the header tab (tabed layout). Unfortunately I haven't been able to reproduce them and they happen so infrequently that I haven't been able to get a backtrace. Maybe I should just always run it with gdb though so I can the backtrace From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 15 20:51:13 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOOOn-0006tb-Mk for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:51:13 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOOOm-0006tE-1V for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:51:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOOOk-0006sO-Bf for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:51:11 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOOOk-0006sG-85 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:51:10 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.213] (helo=mxsf13.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOOR1-0000lp-JB for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:53:31 -0400 Received: from mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.149]) by mxsf13.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8G0p6xA012291 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:51:06 -0400 Received: from 24-241-114-052.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com (HELO [10.60.10.200]) ([24.241.114.52]) by mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 15 Sep 2006 20:51:06 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,173,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="888253721:sNHT19079760" Message-ID: <450B4A6A.2030607@s87059876.onlinehome.us> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:50:50 -0400 From: Darren User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] How's 0.112 working for you? References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:51:12 -0000 charles kerr wrote: > I think I'll pass on a release this weekend -- there's nothing > really new except a small threading speed tweak and maybe 2M > of memory shaved off the 'top'. > > The reason for this slow cycle? Not very many bugs were > reported this week, and most of them were enhancement requests. > Either 0.112 is working pretty well, or everyone's burned out > from the weekly betas. It seems to be working really well for me but as Phil posted earlier I have had two crashes when downloading headers. I ran pan with gdb for a couple of hours and it never crashed so I haven't been able to get a backtrace yet nor have I figured out a way to replicate the crash reliably. I am going to wipe my ~.pan2 soon and see if the crashes go away. Other than that it has been working great and as always thank you for all the hard work you have put into it! From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 15 21:08:18 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOOfK-0004LE-Lw for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:08:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOOfJ-0004Kp-95 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:08:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOOfH-0004Iw-Qj for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:08:17 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOOfH-0004Ij-KY for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:08:15 -0400 Received: from [24.214.63.101] (helo=smtp.knology.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOOhZ-00048G-5K for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:10:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 30358 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2006 01:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.6?) (216.186.148.249) by smtp3.knology.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 01:08:14 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <450B4A6A.2030607@s87059876.onlinehome.us> References: <450B4A6A.2030607@s87059876.onlinehome.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Kelly Subject: Re: [Pan-users] How's 0.112 working for you? Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:08:10 -0500 To: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:08:17 -0000 On Sep 15, 2006, at 7:50 PM, Darren wrote: > I ran pan with gdb for a > couple of hours and it never crashed so I haven't been able to get a > backtrace yet nor have I figured out a way to replicate the crash > reliably. If you get a core dump then "gdb -c pan.core pan" will let you extract a backtrace. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 15 21:42:17 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOPCD-0005Bv-Cv for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:42:17 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOPCA-000596-RG for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:42:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOPC8-00056m-V6 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:42:14 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOPC8-00056h-SC for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:42:12 -0400 Received: from [64.233.166.180] (helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOPEQ-0006nE-Px for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:44:34 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so4045182pye for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:42:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=je2BSADRcDEm3lVHa94KYSgjGu7M8i+cvV160aBAT2Qdw8NbXwR9maUlnbTyYZxl8IP/EE3Jd8FqQdJeDurU/nphomjDlP4wA0O8YuEmlw6l+cjqin/X294crRktueq7dnBB8r9EzmUok2CH/ojnNkHSmbb61f622z1/kpC/xL0= Received: by 10.65.43.5 with SMTP id v5mr9704907qbj; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.145.5 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:42:11 -0500 From: Phil To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.112 "Elijah Craig" In-Reply-To: <450B49FE.8010603@xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <450441FF.7060002@rebelbase.com> <4509644B.4000006@rogers.com> <20060915172954.3fca0631.dcb@pa.net> <450B49FE.8010603@xs4all.nl> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:42:15 -0000 Yes it happens exactly the same way for me, either downloading headers or sorting headers. The problem is it's not consistent. It happens sometimes but not others. But it doesn't happen consistently enough for me to figure out exactly what the error is. From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 00:33:01 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GORrR-0003ph-BJ for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:33:01 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GORrQ-0003pS-84 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:33:00 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GORrO-0003p6-44 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:32:59 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GORrN-0003ow-TK for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:32:57 -0400 Received: from [64.233.166.177] (helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GORth-000466-Gh for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:35:21 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so4092031pye for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:32:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eTRTqXgzkd9ZoxlEs1bVQubv19dw9JS1T+5p0/1KPaLwgJmdv1ciKhxHdeBilpN0VhQbhe/a7hOEvkf+ED3XNSNy/LLFPErPzKi8VMqU3E7DIQzq2nkomp1Uj7NohlI+vrdvfztTJx9sCtGBboFZYWrW2UT/kBV+XI8wYgL70bY= Received: by 10.65.239.13 with SMTP id q13mr10014636qbr; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.233.11 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 06:32:56 +0200 From: "Frederic Bezies" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] How's 0.112 working for you? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 04:33:00 -0000 2006/9/16, charles kerr : > I think I'll pass on a release this weekend -- there's nothing > really new except a small threading speed tweak and maybe 2M > of memory shaved off the 'top'. 2 Mb ?! Wow ! Looks like RC1 will be great :) > > The reason for this slow cycle? Not very many bugs were > reported this week, and most of them were enhancement requests. > Either 0.112 is working pretty well, or everyone's burned out > from the weekly betas. First answer is the right one for me. I didn't get a single crash since I let my computer build 0.112 :) > > If it's the former, then RC1 should be the next release IMO. > For me, it is a green light for RC1 ;) I only hope translation strings are now frozen for good ;) -- Frederic Bezies fredbezies@gmail.com From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 01:08:03 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOSPL-0000Vr-A5 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:08:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOSPJ-0000TY-32 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:08:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOSPG-0000Pg-KN for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:08:00 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOSPG-0000P4-DN for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:07:58 -0400 Received: from [66.249.82.237] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOSRa-0007HW-Cc for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:10:22 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so3872980wxc for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:07:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ih8uAG/wC7I9EOutzNZrbgAozzVh2/gorxB2AL5PhX2c2Fu8NsUjlXzIEMW4UBNAV7DZywoXZU0nmSKi4LiU6T1U71q7KQg/0bKpfFt6NTJVwTSkwxUdEROcHATjndsD1+ElEl1lTDPcbxi8dGnIZ0Z2tveXkMqItnZoi5iQxSA= Received: by 10.90.51.17 with SMTP id y17mr4098995agy; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.120.14 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:07:57 +0200 From: Yann To: pan-users@nongnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [Pan-users] howto exclude a word in a search? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 05:08:01 -0000 Hello, I had a look in the FAQ, and did a search with google, but could not find out how to do a search in Pan with a word excluded. Exemple : find all posts with "Linux" in the subject, but without the word network. I tried : Linux -network Linux NOT network none worked. Is it possible? If yes, how? If not, that's a feature suggestion ;-) Thanks for your help Yann From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 02:09:09 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOTMT-0006Ac-5x for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:09:09 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOTMR-0006A0-Fa for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:09:07 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOTMM-00064b-Vd for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:09:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOTMM-00064Y-Sk for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:09:02 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOTOh-0003Ah-8O for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:11:27 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GOTM9-0005AR-Nm for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:08:49 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:08:49 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:08:49 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 06:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: howto exclude a word in a search? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 06:09:07 -0000 Yann posted bc4b07a30609152207o60e7b86fm683ba103b59c0102@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:07:57 +0200: > I had a look in the FAQ, and did a search with google, but could not find > out how to do a search in Pan with a word excluded. Exemple : find all > posts with "Linux" in the subject, but without the word network. > I tried : > Linux -network > Linux NOT network > none worked. > > Is it possible? If yes, how? If not, that's a feature suggestion ;-) I don't /believe/* it's possible, but yes, that's a good feature suggestion, for 1.1 tho, not 1.0. * "Believe", since a couple times I've said something wasn't possible, and been proven wrong. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 05:53:41 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOWrl-00017j-H7 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 05:53:41 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOWrj-00017O-RR for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 05:53:39 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOWrg-00016L-BC for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 05:53:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOWrg-00016H-8G for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 05:53:36 -0400 Received: from [199.231.136.142] (helo=email12.mywebmailserver.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOWu2-0004ic-Ii for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 05:56:02 -0400 Received: from athlon ([217.14.102.142]) by email12.mywebmailserver.com (IntelliMail) with ASMTP id CRY74585 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 05:53:34 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:53:34 +0500 From: George Sherwood To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] How's 0.112 working for you? 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I can move from group to group at will unless I've read a message. Once I read a message, any attempt to move to a different group causes pan to become "non-responsive". Haven't see this behaviour on an of the prior betas. From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 07:55:33 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOYlh-0004S4-Kq for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:55:33 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOYlf-0004Ps-HX for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:55:31 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOYld-0004Nd-Ly for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:55:30 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOYld-0004Na-Jc for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:55:29 -0400 Received: from [198.116.72.9] (helo=alpha1.bigelow.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOYo1-0007I3-Aq for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:57:57 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=www.bigelow.org) by alpha1.bigelow.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GOYn7-0003sy-Dt for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:57:01 -0400 Received: from 24-50-104-225.agstme.adelphia.net ([24.50.104.225]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user bcb) by www.bigelow.org with HTTP; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1114.24.50.104.225.1158407821.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> In-Reply-To: <1235.24.50.104.225.1158406548.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> References: <1235.24.50.104.225.1158406548.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Pan-users] odd behaviour in 0.112 on windows From: "Bruce Bowler" To: pan-users@nongnu.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-1.fc5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:55:31 -0000 > Just downloaded 0.112 from http://panbuilds.googlepages.com/. I can move > from group to group at will unless I've read a message. Once I read a > message, any attempt to move to a different group causes pan to become > "non-responsive". Haven't see this behaviour on an of the prior betas. never mind. reboot ("the windows way") and the problem's gone From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 13:46:32 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOeFM-00036t-NO for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:46:32 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOeFK-00032Z-EX for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:46:30 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOeFI-0002yg-Lj for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:46:29 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOeFI-0002xz-Gl for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:46:28 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOeHj-0001YB-Ky for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:48:59 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GOeF2-0006Hd-J0 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:46:12 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-190-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.190.188]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:46:12 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-190-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:46:12 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-190-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:46:30 -0000 On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:45:52 +0000, charles kerr wrote: > I think I'll pass on a release this weekend -- there's nothing > really new except a small threading speed tweak and maybe 2M > of memory shaved off the 'top'. > > The reason for this slow cycle? Not very many bugs were > reported this week, and most of them were enhancement requests... Hi Charles, I've commented twice before that IMO the current behavior of the 'Save Articles' dialog box is backwards: the 'Custom Path' is selected by default, forcing me to change it back to 'Group's Default Path' every time I save something. Is this your intended behavior for that dialog, or is it a bug? Either way, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the subject. Thanks for the great work! From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 14:04:39 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOeWt-0005IC-5p for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:04:39 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOeWr-0005Gp-Rg for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:04:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOeWo-0005CC-Ey for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:04:37 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOeWo-0005Bz-3A for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:04:34 -0400 Received: from [68.168.78.202] (helo=mta10.adelphia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOeZF-0003wd-7e for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:07:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [68.69.152.140]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060916180430.LSTD27224.mta10.adelphia.net@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:04:30 -0400 From: Brian Pack To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: [Pan-users] How's 0.112 working for you? Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:04:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1997159.ai5cCtJeNk"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200609161405.04055.afcpack@adelphia.net> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:04:38 -0000 --nextPart1997159.ai5cCtJeNk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline >I think I'll pass on a release this weekend -- there's nothing >really new except a small threading speed tweak and maybe 2M >of memory shaved off the 'top'. >The reason for this slow cycle? Not very many bugs were >reported this week, and most of them were enhancement requests. >Either 0.112 is working pretty well, or everyone's burned out >from the weekly betas. >If it's the former, then RC1 should be the next release IMO. It's been bugged before, but the not saving the group status and what has o= r=20 hasn't been read until the app has closed is driving me batty. I've gotten to the point where I simply cannot trust Pan to properly save i= t's=20 status over an extended session. I will download new headers, and immediately close Pan. Restart and read a = few=20 groups, then close. Restart then read a few more. Rinse, repeat. If I know I'm going to go back and read a group later, I absolutely *must*= =20 close Pan before I go back and do anything else. I've lost count at how man= y=20 times I've been browsing the 20th newsgroup of a session, only to have Pan= =20 crash without warning, and forgetting everything it's done over the last=20 hour. Am I mission a setting or something? Otherwise, this is a major showstopper= =20 for me. --nextPart1997159.ai5cCtJeNk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFDDzQ9L61RG15Hk4RAlvqAKCtMNN4rKnAjTWaFMypxskQmFWAwwCfZEn8 fgi1saZ3wbx3kW8YJtnVDGo= =nm4w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1997159.ai5cCtJeNk-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 14:49:35 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOfEN-0000Z7-Og for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:49:35 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOfEL-0000Z1-9r for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:49:33 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOfEJ-0000Yn-4Q for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:49:32 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOfEJ-0000Yk-0e for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:49:31 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOfGk-0008E8-M6 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:52:02 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GOfDz-0000cE-IT for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:49:11 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:49:11 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:49:11 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <200609161405.04055.afcpack@adelphia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:49:33 -0000 Brian Pack posted 200609161405.04055.afcpack@adelphia.net, excerpted below, on Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:04:59 -0400: > [Charles Kerr wrote...] >>Not very many bugs were reported this week, and most of them were >>enhancement requests. Either 0.112 is working pretty well, or everyone's >>burned out from the weekly betas. > >>If it's the former, then RC1 should be the next release IMO. > > It's been bugged before, but the not saving the group status and what > has or hasn't been read until the app has closed is driving me batty. > > I've gotten to the point where I simply cannot trust Pan to properly > save it's status over an extended session. > > I will download new headers, and immediately close Pan. Restart and read > a few groups, then close. Restart then read a few more. Rinse, repeat. > > If I know I'm going to go back and read a group later, I absolutely > *must* close Pan before I go back and do anything else. I've lost count > at how many times I've been browsing the 20th newsgroup of a session, > only to have Pan crash without warning, and forgetting everything it's > done over the last hour. > > Am I mission a setting or something? Otherwise, this is a major > showstopper for me. You aren't missing a setting. I've experienced the same problems and in fact I believe it's my bug. However, Charles says implementing state saving could be a real drag on performance. My view is it's going to be far better than forcing the user to constantly worry about what he'll be losing in the event of a crash, and tracking his usage to decide when it's time to manually close and restart pan. However, I'm not the one doing the coding, so... A compromise would be to create two options, save settings when switching groups, and save settings every 10 minutes (or 5 or whatever). If the user has a stable system, unchecking those options would avoid the performance drag Charles is concerned about. If the user sees instability, checking one or both of the auto-save-settings options would mitigate the problem. It's worth pointing out that the instability isn't necessarily a pan problem either. It can be a system problem (as it was in my case for awhile). However, pan's part of the system and has to work with whatever stability issues the system might have in addition to those it itself might have. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 14:55:22 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOfJy-0005H1-CJ for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:55:22 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOfJw-0005Ds-Vd for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:55:21 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOfJw-0005D7-EC for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:55:20 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOfJw-0005Cf-9X for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:55:20 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOfMO-0000Ci-1p for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:57:52 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GOfJe-0001bg-BC for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:55:02 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:55:02 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:55:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:55:21 -0000 "walt" posted eehd8r$t36$1@sea.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:46:03 +0000: > I've commented twice before that IMO the current behavior of the > 'Save Articles' dialog box is backwards: the 'Custom Path' is > selected by default, forcing me to change it back to 'Group's > Default Path' every time I save something. > > Is this your intended behavior for that dialog, or is it a bug? > Either way, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the subject. I agree, but has it been bugged yet? If not, it's likely it fell thru the cracks and Charles forgot about it. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 15:40:38 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOg1m-0003gU-HY for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:40:38 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOg1l-0003fs-5O for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:40:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOg1k-0003fW-Hh for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:40:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOg1k-0003fQ-5H for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:40:36 -0400 Received: from [66.93.4.40] (helo=lister.deadlazlosplace.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOg4C-0004Oy-Ca for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:43:08 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (lazarus.deadlazlosplace.com [66.93.4.97]) by lister.deadlazlosplace.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k8GJeLlB028195 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <450C5252.50807@deadlazlosplace.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:36:50 -0400 From: jef_e User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:40:37 -0000 Duncan wrote: > "walt" posted > eehd8r$t36$1@sea.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:46:03 > +0000: > >> I've commented twice before that IMO the current behavior of the >> 'Save Articles' dialog box is backwards: the 'Custom Path' is >> selected by default, forcing me to change it back to 'Group's >> Default Path' every time I save something. >> >> Is this your intended behavior for that dialog, or is it a bug? >> Either way, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the subject. > > I agree, but has it been bugged yet? If not, it's likely it fell thru the > cracks and Charles forgot about it. > You bugged it once, but it was marked as a duplicate. This one was posted by Glyn Parker http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349044 I posted to the list in reference to this as well quite a while back, too. You (Duncan) filed this one http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349188 but Charles marked it as a duplicate. Initially discussion was about .newsrc, however, preferences.xml also doesn't get saved. Saving that at edit time shouldn't be a performance problem, should it? If the newsrc is a performance issue, I'd settle for at least prefs getting saved :) That being said, 0.112 has been pretty solid here so far. Still a few things I'd like to see, but it's mostly wishlist stuff. Stability and speed have been wonderful. jef From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 15:48:06 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOg90-0001kn-KE for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:48:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOg8z-0001kb-1O for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:48:05 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOg8x-0001kH-Uo for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:48:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOg8x-0001kE-Qm for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:48:03 -0400 Received: from [66.93.4.40] (helo=lister.deadlazlosplace.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOgBQ-0004xQ-1P for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:50:36 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (lazarus.deadlazlosplace.com [66.93.4.97]) by lister.deadlazlosplace.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k8GJm1GV028204 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <450C5428.7050506@deadlazlosplace.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:44:40 -0400 From: jef_e User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? References: <450C5252.50807@deadlazlosplace.com> In-Reply-To: <450C5252.50807@deadlazlosplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:48:05 -0000 Heh - ooops - thats what happens when I don't doublecheck :) Seems I clicked on the wrong message there to reply too - my previous message should be in reply to Duncan's other message about 0.112, in reply to Brian Pack about things not getting saved. Sorry for any confusion! jef_e wrote: > Brian Packposted >> > [Charles Kerr wrote...] >>> >>Not very many bugs were reported this week, and most of them were >>> >>enhancement requests. Either 0.112 is working pretty well, or everyone's >>> >>burned out from the weekly betas. >>> >>If it's the former, then RC1 should be the next release IMO. > duncan wrote >> > It's been bugged before, but the not saving the group status and what >> > has or hasn't been read until the app has closed is driving me batty. >> > >> > I've gotten to the point where I simply cannot trust Pan to properly >> > save it's status over an extended session. > This one was posted by Glyn Parker > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349044 > I posted to the list in reference to this as well quite a while back, too. > > You (Duncan) filed this one > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349188 > but Charles marked it as a duplicate. > > Initially discussion was about .newsrc, however, preferences.xml also > doesn't get saved. Saving that at edit time shouldn't be a performance > problem, should it? If the newsrc is a performance issue, I'd settle for > at least prefs getting saved :) > > That being said, 0.112 has been pretty solid here so far. Still a few > things I'd like to see, but it's mostly wishlist stuff. Stability and > speed have been wonderful. From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 15:55:21 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOgG1-0001mr-4I for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:55:21 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOgFz-0001kp-N9 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:55:19 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOgFy-0001jS-JB for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:55:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOgFy-0001jE-Dh for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:55:18 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOgIQ-0005Nq-P4 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:57:50 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GOgFn-0003OO-Lh for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:55:07 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-190-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.190.188]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:55:07 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-190-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:55:07 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-190-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:55:20 -0000 On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:49:59 +0000, Duncan wrote: > "walt" posted > eehd8r$t36$1@sea.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:46:03 > +0000: > >> I've commented twice before that IMO the current behavior of the >> 'Save Articles' dialog box is backwards: the 'Custom Path' is >> selected by default, forcing me to change it back to 'Group's >> Default Path' every time I save something. >> >> Is this your intended behavior for that dialog, or is it a bug? >> Either way, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the subject. > > I agree, but has it been bugged yet? If not, it's likely it fell thru the > cracks and Charles forgot about it. Well, it could be a duplicate, but I just filed http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356310 From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 16:25:12 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOgit-0000ng-V7 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:25:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOgis-0000m1-Ib for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:25:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOgir-0000lA-SR for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:25:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOgir-0000l4-NX for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:25:09 -0400 Received: from [24.214.63.101] (helo=smtp.knology.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOglK-0008Gf-Fw for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:27:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 838 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2006 20:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.6?) (216.186.148.249) by smtp3.knology.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 20:25:08 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200609161405.04055.afcpack@adelphia.net> References: <200609161405.04055.afcpack@adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8964B043-51CE-4B05-BF1C-EC9FC04BA771@HiWAAY.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Kelly Subject: Re: [Pan-users] How's 0.112 working for you? Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:25:06 -0500 To: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:25:11 -0000 On Sep 16, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Brian Pack wrote: > If I know I'm going to go back and read a group later, I absolutely > *must* > close Pan before I go back and do anything else. I've lost count at > how many > times I've been browsing the 20th newsgroup of a session, only to > have Pan > crash without warning, and forgetting everything it's done over the > last > hour. That is a problem I too have had. That I'd like a way to force pan to flush/sync its working buffers with disk as if it had quit. For the same reasons you quote, so as not to lose my place in a newsgroup when pan crashes. Of course it would be better if pan were not to crash, but even .91 can be crashed on occasion. Select a range of about 500,000 articles in a newsgroup, then delete, usually does it for me. Using the menu entry to delete all of a newsgroup's articles is much faster and does not crash. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 16:39:08 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOgwO-0007pd-1n for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:39:08 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOgwL-0007pA-PE for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:39:05 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOgwJ-0007oh-Uy for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:39:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOgwJ-0007oe-3Z for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:39:03 -0400 Received: from [68.168.78.199] (helo=mta9.adelphia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOgym-0001OX-0x for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:41:36 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [68.69.152.140]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060916203902.YOPW10468.mta9.adelphia.net@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:39:02 -0400 From: Brian Pack To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:39:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <200609161405.04055.afcpack@adelphia.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart5566355.et70kx8NLn"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200609161639.43562.afcpack@adelphia.net> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:39:06 -0000 --nextPart5566355.et70kx8NLn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 16 September 2006 14:48, Duncan wrote: > Brian Pack posted > 200609161405.04055.afcpack@adelphia.net, excerpted below, on Sat, 16 Sep > > 2006 14:04:59 -0400: > > [Charles Kerr wrote...] > > > >>Not very many bugs were reported this week, and most of them were > >>enhancement requests. Either 0.112 is working pretty well, or everyone's > >>burned out from the weekly betas. > >> > >>If it's the former, then RC1 should be the next release IMO. > > > > It's been bugged before, but the not saving the group status and what > > has or hasn't been read until the app has closed is driving me batty. > > > > I've gotten to the point where I simply cannot trust Pan to properly > > save it's status over an extended session. > > > > I will download new headers, and immediately close Pan. Restart and read > > a few groups, then close. Restart then read a few more. Rinse, repeat. > > > > If I know I'm going to go back and read a group later, I absolutely > > *must* close Pan before I go back and do anything else. I've lost count > > at how many times I've been browsing the 20th newsgroup of a session, > > only to have Pan crash without warning, and forgetting everything it's > > done over the last hour. > > > > Am I mission a setting or something? Otherwise, this is a major > > showstopper for me. > > You aren't missing a setting. I've experienced the same problems and in > fact I believe it's my bug. However, Charles says implementing state > saving could be a real drag on performance. > > My view is it's going to be far better than forcing the user to constantly > worry about what he'll be losing in the event of a crash, and tracking his > usage to decide when it's time to manually close and restart pan. > However, I'm not the one doing the coding, so... > > A compromise would be to create two options, save settings when switching > groups, and save settings every 10 minutes (or 5 or whatever). If the > user has a stable system, unchecking those options would avoid the > performance drag Charles is concerned about. If the user sees > instability, checking one or both of the auto-save-settings options would > mitigate the problem. > > It's worth pointing out that the instability isn't necessarily a pan > problem either. It can be a system problem (as it was in my case for > awhile). However, pan's part of the system and has to work with whatever > stability issues the system might have in addition to those it itself > might have. If it's a drag, then drag away. Having to close and restart after reading a= =20 newsgroup or two over and over again is simply unacceptable. Pan will crash= =20 seemingly at random. Tasks that are rock solid 95% of the time, will cause = a=20 crash at the most inopportune moment. Usually just before I would have=20 finished reading Usenet anyway. But I'll then have to spend an extra half=20 hour trying to remember what articles I read already, and what I've saved f= or=20 later. --nextPart5566355.et70kx8NLn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFDGEP9L61RG15Hk4RAmToAJ9A7/a50D5ulPWaEdrPe/PUzdHn6QCZAb80 3y2SXmUrQPHpRy0Mjlc5bcY= =KuWo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart5566355.et70kx8NLn-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 17:14:19 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOhUR-0003XO-9Y for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:14:19 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOhUP-0003XG-LL for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:14:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOhUN-0003Uu-7G for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:14:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOhUN-0003Ur-23 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:14:15 -0400 Received: from [70.168.83.79] (helo=centrmmtao05.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOhWq-0004jt-Cl for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:16:48 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060916211411.LXST8328.centrmmtao05.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:14:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id P9Dr1V0044amFmC0000000 Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:13:51 -0400 Message-ID: <450C6922.1040809@rebelbase.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:14:10 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:14:17 -0000 walt wrote: > Hi Charles, > > I've commented twice before that IMO the current behavior of the > 'Save Articles' dialog box is backwards: the 'Custom Path' is > selected by default, forcing me to change it back to 'Group's > Default Path' every time I save something. > > Is this your intended behavior for that dialog, or is it a bug? > Either way, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the subject. > > Thanks for the great work! I've attached a patch for this in http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=72912&action=view . Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 18:22:49 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOiYi-00034F-Uz for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:22:49 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOiYh-00032A-IH for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:22:47 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOiYf-0002zh-Rm for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:22:46 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOiYf-0002zZ-KZ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:22:45 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOib9-0003Jy-FC for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:25:19 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GOiYS-0008IF-AE for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:22:33 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-190-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.190.188]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:22:32 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-190-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:22:32 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <450C6922.1040809@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-190-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:22:48 -0000 On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:14:10 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: > walt wrote: > >> Hi Charles, >> >> I've commented twice before that IMO the current behavior of the >> 'Save Articles' dialog box is backwards: the 'Custom Path' is >> selected by default, forcing me to change it back to 'Group's >> Default Path' every time I save something. > I've attached a patch for this in > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=72912&action=view . Thanks for working on this, Charles. I tried the patch but nothing changed -- the 'Custom Path' is still pre-selected. Anyone else tried the patch yet? From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 18:31:01 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOigf-0006RR-BB for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:31:01 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOigd-0006Q9-If for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:30:59 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOigb-0006Nx-N4 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:30:59 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOigb-0006Ns-KV for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:30:57 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOij5-0004aF-C2 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:33:31 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GOigS-0001Ik-6V for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:30:48 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:30:48 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:30:48 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <450C5252.50807@deadlazlosplace.com> <450C5428.7050506@deadlazlosplace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:30:59 -0000 jef_e posted 450C5428.7050506@deadlazlosplace.com, excerpted below, on Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:44:40 -0400: > Heh - ooops - thats what happens when I don't doublecheck :) > > Seems I clicked on the wrong message there to reply too - my previous > message should be in reply to Duncan's other message about 0.112, in > reply to Brian Pack about things not getting saved. I was /wondering/ how I could have bugged it and forgotten about it. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 18:38:59 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOioN-0001wc-1j for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:38:59 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOioK-0001vh-FO for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:38:56 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOioH-0001ul-Ol for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:38:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOioH-0001ui-JN for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:38:53 -0400 Received: from [70.168.83.83] (helo=centrmmtao01.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOiql-0005TE-HN for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:41:27 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060916223850.RTBQ24246.centrmmtao01.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:38:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id PAeW1V00C4amFmC0000000 Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:38:30 -0400 Message-ID: <450C7CF9.5050109@rebelbase.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:38:49 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? References: <200609161405.04055.afcpack@adelphia.net> <200609161639.43562.afcpack@adelphia.net> In-Reply-To: <200609161639.43562.afcpack@adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:38:56 -0000 >>> Am I mission a setting or something? Otherwise, this is a major >>> showstopper for me. >> You aren't missing a setting. I've experienced the same problems and in >> fact I believe it's my bug. However, Charles says implementing state >> saving could be a real drag on performance. > If it's a drag, then drag away. Having to close and restart after reading a > newsgroup or two over and over again is simply unacceptable. Pan will crash > seemingly at random. Tasks that are rock solid 95% of the time, will cause a > crash at the most inopportune moment. Usually just before I would have > finished reading Usenet anyway. But I'll then have to spend an extra half > hour trying to remember what articles I read already, and what I've saved for > later. I've added a patch to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349044 . Please give it a try and let me know how it goes. Everything that's saved on shutdown, should now also be saved when you switch newsgroups. It should go without saying that I still want to hear about whatever's crashing Pan, though. :) Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 18:39:03 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOioR-0001z7-Ns for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:39:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOioQ-0001yM-1y for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:39:02 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOioP-0001xo-CP for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:39:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOioP-0001xk-1S for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:39:01 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOiqs-0005TY-Rl for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:41:35 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GOioC-0002pT-5k for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:38:48 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:38:48 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:38:48 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <450C5252.50807@deadlazlosplace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:39:02 -0000 jef_e posted 450C5252.50807@deadlazlosplace.com, excerpted below, on Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:36:50 -0400: > Initially discussion was about .newsrc, however, preferences.xml also > doesn't get saved. Saving that at edit time shouldn't be a performance > problem, should it? If the newsrc is a performance issue, I'd settle for > at least prefs getting saved :) That I don't quite understand. You set prefs once and then for the most part forget about them. The ones that you change frequently, like say sort order or view filter status, well, since they change frequently, at least here, I'm used to quitting in one state and deciding I want a different one when I restart, so changing them on start isn't an issue. Because the main prefs shouldn't be changing that often, it's easy enough to just change them, quit pan, open pan, and not worry about it again. OTOH, newsrc, tracking the posts read and those not, THAT's the big problem here. Pan crashes at the wrong time, and it's hundreds of posts to go thru in the text groups or thousands in the binary groups, trying to figure out whether they were supposed to be marked read or not, or in the binary groups, deleted or kept for further processing. Thus, I don't see what the big deal is on saving prefs, but read message tracking is a HUGE problem. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 19:00:21 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOj93-0007Vs-Gw for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:00:21 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOj92-0007Vj-Gv for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:00:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOj90-0007VQ-1B for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:00:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOj8z-0007VI-Uk for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:00:17 -0400 Received: from [68.230.240.38] (helo=eastrmmtao01.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOjBU-0006nM-14 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:02:52 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060916230016.FQI18847.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:00:16 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id PAzw1V00R4amFmC0000000 Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:59:57 -0400 Message-ID: <450C8200.8020608@rebelbase.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:00:16 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? References: <450C6922.1040809@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:00:21 -0000 walt wrote: >>> I've commented twice before that IMO the current behavior of the >>> 'Save Articles' dialog box is backwards: the 'Custom Path' is >>> selected by default, forcing me to change it back to 'Group's >>> Default Path' every time I save something. >> I've attached a patch for this in >> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=72912&action=view . > Thanks for working on this, Charles. I tried the patch but nothing > changed -- the 'Custom Path' is still pre-selected. And then after you change it, the setting sticks. From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 19:13:12 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjLU-0003T8-8L for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:13:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjLS-0003Sq-Qf for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:13:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjLR-0003Se-5y for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:13:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjLR-0003Sb-3e for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:13:09 -0400 Received: from [66.93.4.40] (helo=lister.deadlazlosplace.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOjNv-0007s6-I7 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:15:43 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (lazarus.deadlazlosplace.com [66.93.4.97]) by lister.deadlazlosplace.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k8GND6k5028292 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <450C8438.7050209@deadlazlosplace.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:09:44 -0400 From: jef_e User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? References: <450C5252.50807@deadlazlosplace.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:13:11 -0000 Duncan wrote: > Thus, I don't see what the big deal is on saving prefs, but read message > tracking is a HUGE problem. > Ahh, not important to *you* ;-) I often change things in there, especially when testing, as I look for better font choices, score colors, which headings to show, etc. If I even make a single change, I think it should be saved when I say "OK" -- it really isn't that big of an issue, but it's still an issue. :) From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 19:23:05 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjV3-0007yn-JL for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:23:05 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjV2-0007yh-Tz for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:23:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjV1-0007yC-Ep for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:23:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjV1-0007y9-BY for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:23:03 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOjXV-0008KJ-Pz for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:25:38 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjUo-0001td-5E for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:22:50 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:22:50 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:22:50 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <200609161405.04055.afcpack@adelphia.net> <200609161639.43562.afcpack@adelphia.net> <450C7CF9.5050109@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:23:05 -0000 Charles Kerr posted 450C7CF9.5050109@rebelbase.com, excerpted below, on Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:38:49 -0500: > I've added a patch to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349044 . > > Please give it a try and let me know how it goes. > Everything that's saved on shutdown, should now also > be saved when you switch newsgroups. I'm running it now. Fortunately for me, unfortunately for testing, whatever was crashing pan isn't happening here, so I can't tell you about that, but I can test this, with killall -9 pan if need be! =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 19:29:33 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjbJ-0000e7-3R for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:29:33 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjbI-0000br-22 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:29:32 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjbH-0000az-Eu for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:29:31 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjbH-0000aq-AD for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:29:31 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOjdl-0000GE-MC for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:32:06 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjb8-00034p-H2 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:29:22 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:29:22 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:29:22 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <200609161405.04055.afcpack@adelphia.net> <200609161639.43562.afcpack@adelphia.net> <450C7CF9.5050109@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:29:32 -0000 "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> posted eei0vv$jsg$1@sea.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:22:39 +0000: > I'm running it now. Fortunately for me, unfortunately for testing, > whatever was crashing pan isn't happening here, so I can't tell you about > that, but I can test this, with killall -9 pan if need be! =8^) And killall -9 pan it is! First time I got too much in a hurry to test it and forgot I had to change groups to get pan to save. Naturally it didn't retain the read messages in that group. I guess we'll call that the experimental control. =8^) Second time I actually remembered to switch groups before running the killall -9, and sure enough, upon restart, pan correctly retained the state in the group I had just switched from prior to the killall -9. =8^) Happy camper (er, happy newser?) I am! =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 19:37:14 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjik-0000Ap-03 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:37:14 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjii-0000A9-Vf for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:37:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjig-00007F-Hi for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:37:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjig-00007A-DI for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:37:10 -0400 Received: from [205.166.61.207] (helo=smtp0.ctinetworks.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOjl8-00011w-UN for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:39:45 -0400 Received: from ghidorah (dsl-206-251-8-239.dsl0.crls.pa.net [206.251.8.239]) by smtp0.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B77181C59A for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:36:52 -0400 From: Douglas Bollinger To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? Message-Id: <20060916193652.2e1787da.dcb@pa.net> In-Reply-To: References: <450C5252.50807@deadlazlosplace.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.6 (GTK+ 2.8.19; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ctinetworks-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ctinetworks-VirusCheck: Found to be clean X-ctinetworks-SpamCheck: X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:37:13 -0000 On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:38:33 +0000 (UTC) "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > OTOH, newsrc, tracking the posts read and those not, THAT's the big > problem here. Pan crashes at the wrong time, and it's hundreds of posts > to go thru in the text groups or thousands in the binary groups, trying to > figure out whether they were supposed to be marked read or not, or in the > binary groups, deleted or kept for further processing. > > Thus, I don't see what the big deal is on saving prefs, but read message > tracking is a HUGE problem. Yeah, I totally agree. Prefs aren't a worry at all, but the newsrc file should be saved whenever you switch groups just to be on the safe side because you can easily lose a lot of work. If the newsrc is saved when you switch groups, then you also know how to easily trigger the save. By now, it's probably too late to add such an evasive feature for 1.0, though. -- Postulate: You get what you pay for. Corollary: The cost of software is proportional to the quality. Proof: The cost of software is inversely proportional to what you pay for it. From: Alan Hicks From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 19:44:33 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjpo-0004cB-Tg for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:44:32 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjpn-0004c0-OV for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:44:31 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjpm-0004bf-89 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:44:31 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjpm-0004bc-6E for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:44:30 -0400 Received: from [205.166.61.227] (helo=smtp2.ctinetworks.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOjsG-0001OQ-S9 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:47:04 -0400 Received: from ghidorah (dsl-206-251-8-239.dsl0.crls.pa.net [206.251.8.239]) by smtp2.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0AB3A1A73D6 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:44:25 -0400 From: Douglas Bollinger To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? Message-Id: <20060916194425.aeee2a71.dcb@pa.net> In-Reply-To: <20060916193652.2e1787da.dcb@pa.net> References: <450C5252.50807@deadlazlosplace.com> <20060916193652.2e1787da.dcb@pa.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.6 (GTK+ 2.8.19; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ctinetworks-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ctinetworks-VirusCheck: Found to be clean X-ctinetworks-SpamCheck: X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:44:31 -0000 On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:36:52 -0400 Douglas Bollinger wrote: > Yeah, I totally agree. Prefs aren't a worry at all, but the newsrc file > should be saved whenever you switch groups just to be on the safe side because > you can easily lose a lot of work. If the newsrc is saved when you switch > groups, then you also know how to easily trigger the save. > > By now, it's probably too late to add such an evasive feature for 1.0, though. LOL. I guess I should have scrolled down to the rest of the new messages, for Charles already added prefs/newsrc save upon changing groups. Awesome! -- Postulate: You get what you pay for. Corollary: The cost of software is proportional to the quality. Proof: The cost of software is inversely proportional to what you pay for it. From: Alan Hicks From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 16 20:23:51 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOkRq-0000rf-V6 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:23:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOkRp-0000r2-5y for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:23:49 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOkRk-0000qI-UL for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:23:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOkRk-0000qF-S2 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:23:44 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOkUF-0004LP-RO for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:26:20 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GOkRb-0004ux-SD for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:23:35 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-190-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.190.188]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:23:35 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-190-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:23:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <450C6922.1040809@rebelbase.com> <450C8200.8020608@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-190-188.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:23:49 -0000 On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:00:16 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: >>> I've attached a patch for this in >>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=72912&action=view . >> Thanks for working on this, Charles. I tried the patch but nothing >> changed -- the 'Custom Path' is still pre-selected. > And then after you change it, the setting sticks. Ah! Yes, I see that it works just the way you say. I'd like to hear other opinions about this, but my preference would be to have the setting stuck on 'Group's Default Path' every time I click on 'Save Articles'. The reason is that I almost never want to save anything to a non-default path, and yet the setting sticks across different newsgroups as well as across different articles. Your patch is a big improvement and should definitely go into rc1, IMO, but I'd like to hear from other critics (you know who you are!) before the final decision. Thanks, Charles! From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 17 02:29:27 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GOq9f-00074n-HP for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:29:27 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOq9d-00074R-Sv for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:29:25 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GOq9b-00070U-Cp for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:29:24 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOq9b-00070N-Af for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:29:23 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOqC9-0005dk-T0 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:32:02 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GOq9S-0004cU-3C for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 08:29:14 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 08:29:14 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 08:29:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 06:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <450C5252.50807@deadlazlosplace.com> <20060916193652.2e1787da.dcb@pa.net> <20060916194425.aeee2a71.dcb@pa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: How's 0.112 working for you? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 06:29:26 -0000 Douglas Bollinger posted 20060916194425.aeee2a71.dcb@pa.net, excerpted below, on Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:44:25 -0400: > LOL. I guess I should have scrolled down to the rest of the new messages, for > Charles already added prefs/newsrc save upon changing groups. Awesome! Yeah, this 1.0 IS going to be awesome! Charles has been working very hard at it, and it has been years in coming, but I think it's going to be fully deserving of the 1.0 milestone label. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 17 20:55:24 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GP7Pw-0005rW-4v for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:55:24 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GP7Pu-0005rH-Io for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:55:22 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GP7Pr-0005qf-Ar for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:55:20 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GP7Pr-0005qc-64 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:55:19 -0400 Received: from [199.185.220.240] (helo=defout.telus.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GP7Sa-0006Z6-9G for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:58:08 -0400 Received: from priv-edtnaa05.telusplanet.net ([154.5.29.121]) by priv-edtnes87.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.05.01.01 201-2174-106-103-20060222) with ESMTP id <20060918005511.NWNT24204.priv-edtnes87.telusplanet.net@priv-edtnaa05.telusplanet.net> for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:55:11 -0600 Received: from [172.20.102.34] (d154-5-29-121.bchsia.telus.net [154.5.29.121]) by priv-edtnaa05.telusplanet.net (BorderWare MXtreme Infinity Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 62QN0HR4PX for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:55:04 -0600 (MDT) From: Alen Williams To: pan-users@nongnu.org In-Reply-To: <20060916194425.aeee2a71.dcb@pa.net> References: <450C5252.50807@deadlazlosplace.com> <20060916193652.2e1787da.dcb@pa.net> <20060916194425.aeee2a71.dcb@pa.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:55:01 -0700 Message-Id: <1158540901.28282.2.camel@einstein.address4life.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Pan-users] Feature Request: Bandwidth Throttling X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: alen.williams@address4life.com, pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:55:22 -0000 When I'm downloading from my ISP it'll take ALL the bandwidth of my DSL line (woohoo). Which is both good, nice and fast, and bad, you can't do anything else really. I'd like the ability to set the maximum amount of bandwidth that Pan is allowed to use... On the fly like Azureus does hopefully. Alen. From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 18 10:51:24 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GPKSy-0002pM-Lx for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:51:24 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPKSw-0002p8-R8 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:51:22 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPKSv-0002oo-97 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:51:22 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPKSv-0002ol-2d for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:51:21 -0400 Received: from [68.168.78.199] (helo=mta9.adelphia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPKVm-0005Wl-8s for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:54:18 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [68.69.152.140]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060918145117.UUGU10468.mta9.adelphia.net@[192.168.1.101]>; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:51:17 -0400 From: Brian Pack To: alen.williams@address4life.com, pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Feature Request: Bandwidth Throttling Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:52:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <20060916194425.aeee2a71.dcb@pa.net> <1158540901.28282.2.camel@einstein.address4life.com> In-Reply-To: <1158540901.28282.2.camel@einstein.address4life.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2929581.lhGKNBTvRV"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200609181052.44045.afcpack@adelphia.net> Cc: X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:51:23 -0000 --nextPart2929581.lhGKNBTvRV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 17 September 2006 20:55, Alen Williams wrote: > When I'm downloading from my ISP it'll take ALL the bandwidth of my DSL > line (woohoo). Which is both good, nice and fast, and bad, you can't do > anything else really. > > I'd like the ability to set the maximum amount of bandwidth that Pan is > allowed to use... On the fly like Azureus does hopefully. Pan will max out the bandwidth, but is still limited to 4 connections.=20 Giganews allows as many as 10 concurrent connections. Sometimes the limit is good, because I've had occasions where other readers= =20 that use all 10 will get confused, and will try to connect an 11th or 12th= =20 time, and the download will fail because the connection is rejected. This is even worse if the newsreader had crashed. I had News Rover crash in= =20 mid-download, but all the connections were still active when I came back, s= o=20 I was faced with an avalanche of 'too many connections' errors for about te= n=20 minutes until they cleared themselves out. So maybe the limit is a good thing. Although I'd be happier with a limit of= 5=20 or 6. :) --nextPart2929581.lhGKNBTvRV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFDrK89L61RG15Hk4RAnnvAKCPjvEF/a+AwS8yzuagpHFeR10P3QCfXsCB zPxLKtaIzLyXEgUtBKadssY= =ff/T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2929581.lhGKNBTvRV-- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 18 14:43:30 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GPO5a-0005oy-14 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:43:30 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPO5Y-0005jZ-3V for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:43:28 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPO5V-0005av-8S for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:43:26 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPO5U-0005aK-Ts for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:43:24 -0400 Received: from [81.168.115.223] (helo=ickx.fenrir.org.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPO8O-0003ET-72 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:46:24 -0400 Received: from peterson.fenrir.org.uk ([10.0.0.2]) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) by ickx.fenrir.org.uk with esmtpsa (Exim 4.63 #1 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1GPO5R-0001NN-Uj for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:43:22 +0100 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:43:21 +0100 From: Brian Morrison To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Feature Request: Bandwidth Throttling Message-ID: <20060918194321.05d5d67f@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <200609181052.44045.afcpack@adelphia.net> References: <20060916194425.aeee2a71.dcb@pa.net> <1158540901.28282.2.camel@einstein.address4life.com> <200609181052.44045.afcpack@adelphia.net> Organization: The Fool and Bladder Face-Jumping Team X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0cvs197 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) X-PGP-KeyID: DE32E5C5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:43:28 -0000 On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:52:40 -0400 Brian Pack wrote: > So maybe the limit is a good thing. Although I'd be happier with a limit of 5 > or 6. :) GNKSA specifies a maximum of 4 connections, but there is nothing to stop you editing that limit yourself and building a non GNKSA-compliant version for your own use. -- Brian Morrison bdm at fenrir dot org dot uk GnuPG key ID DE32E5C5 - http://wwwkeys.uk.pgp.net/pgpnet/wwwkeys.html From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 18 16:55:13 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GPQ92-0005aE-Uf for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:55:13 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPQ90-0005Rs-Ld for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:55:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPQ8x-0005Fn-Ik for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:55:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPQ8x-0005FU-Eo for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:55:07 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPQBr-00014p-Lm for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:58:08 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GPQ8i-0006TO-7j for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:54:52 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:54:52 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:54:52 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 103 Message-ID: References: <20060916194425.aeee2a71.dcb@pa.net> <1158540901.28282.2.camel@einstein.address4life.com> <200609181052.44045.afcpack@adelphia.net> <20060918194321.05d5d67f@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Feature Request: Bandwidth Throttling X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:55:10 -0000 Brian Morrison posted 20060918194321.05d5d67f@peterson.fenrir.org.uk, excerpted below, on Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:43:21 +0100: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:52:40 -0400 > Brian Pack wrote: > >> So maybe the limit is a good thing. Although I'd be happier with a limit >> of 5 or 6. :) > > GNKSA specifies a maximum of 4 connections, but there is nothing to stop > you editing that limit yourself and building a non GNKSA-compliant > version for your own use. Correct on GNKSA, and 4 connections is a reasonable standard for other reasons as well (OE does best with four tho it makes poor use of them, many FTP sites limit to four). However, with new-pan the limit is no longer compiled-in. Rather, it's a config file option. There are at least six "advanced" options where the GUI either limits flexibility or doesn't have any way to set the option at all, for simplicity or other reasons. 1) Connection limit GUI pref location: Server Preferences GUI pref line: Connection Limit GUI limit: 1-4 connections/server Reason: GNKSA compliance Direct pref location: servers.xml Direct pref line: connection-limit (per server) Direct limit: Arbitrary number of connections 2) Expiration GUI pref location: Server Preferences GUI pref line: Expire Old Articles GUI limit: none/2-wk/1-mo/2-mo Reason: Simplicity of config Direct pref location: servers.xml Direct pref line: expire-articles-n-days-old Direct limit: Arbitrary number of days 3) Config directory GUI pref location: No GUI option GUI pref line: n/a GUI limit: ~/.pan2/ Reason: ~/.pan/, old location, is different format Direct pref location: environmental variable Direct pref line: PAN_HOME Direct limit: any place of adequate permissions and freespace Notes: I have several pan-starter scripts that set different $PAN_HOME locations. This allows for categorization of groups. For instance, I have separate instances for text-groups, binaries, and temporary testing. Each of these has it's own settings subdir under ~/pan/. Where I want to keep the settings files in sync, I use symlinks. The cache dir for the binaries one is symlinked to a dedicated 12-gig partition (see #4 below). 4) Cache size GUI pref location: No GUI option GUI pref line: n/a GUI limit: 10 MB default Reason: Simplicity Direct pref location: preferences.xml Direct pref line: int name='cache-size-megs' Direct limit: Arbitrary number of megabytes Note: I have my binary cache instance (see #3 above) set in the tens-of-thousands, so it's tested into the tens of gigabytes at least. 5) Scores GUI pref location: The various score-setting related options GUI pref line: n/a GUI limit: New entry every time Reason: Technical Direct pref location: Score Direct pref line: n/a Direct limit: Saner scorefile Notes: See http://www.slrn.org/docs/score.txt for scoring rules, except that entries are case insensitive. By combining similar entries and reducing the comments (indicated with %), a much leaner and easier to maintain scorefile can be achieved. 6) Keyboard accel custom mapping GUI pref location: Enabled with an obscure entry in gtkrc... GUI pref line: Google for the details. GUI limit: Some unmodified keys can't be set via GUI. Reason: GTK policy (simplicity). Technical/menu-accel Direct pref location: accels.txt Direct pref line: n/a Direct limit: Modifiers shift/alt/ctrl, no win-key or other Notes: Initial semicolon on a line indicates a comment. Pan loads file at open, overwrites it at close. See previous postings to the pan user list or ask for more details. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 18 18:11:44 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GPRL6-0005JD-IJ for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:11:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPRL5-0005Ii-AV for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:11:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPRL3-0005He-JY for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:11:43 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPRL3-0005HZ-EE for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:11:41 -0400 Received: from [24.214.63.101] (helo=smtp.knology.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPRNy-0000lP-R0 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:14:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 16522 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2006 22:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.6?) (216.186.148.249) by smtp2.knology.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 22:11:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200609181052.44045.afcpack@adelphia.net> References: <20060916194425.aeee2a71.dcb@pa.net> <1158540901.28282.2.camel@einstein.address4life.com> <200609181052.44045.afcpack@adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3CD5D797-FD41-4341-B8A9-3B0820B9FF22@hiwaay.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Kelly Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Feature Request: Bandwidth Throttling Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:11:36 -0500 To: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:11:43 -0000 On Sep 18, 2006, at 9:52 AM, Brian Pack wrote: > So maybe the limit is a good thing. Although I'd be happier with a > limit of 5 > or 6. :) Is likely your ISP's newserver limits bandwidth by the connection. Try dropping the connection count to 2 in pan as a quick and simple bandwidth limit experiment. I've seen 50k bytes/sec to 120k bytes/sec per connection with some news servers. Both FreeBSD and MacOS X include ipfw as a firewall option. Within ipfw one may use dummynet for traffic shaping, including bandwidth limiting. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 18 18:20:32 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GPRTc-0003hR-Kw for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:20:32 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPRTb-0003ai-1q for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:20:31 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPRTZ-0003U5-Cz for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:20:30 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPRTZ-0003TZ-58 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:20:29 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPRWU-00023O-Ll for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:23:31 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GPRT9-00015y-FV for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:20:03 +0200 Received: from cpc3-macc1-0-0-cust248.bagu.cable.ntl.com ([86.3.144.249]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:20:03 +0200 Received: from robert by cpc3-macc1-0-0-cust248.bagu.cable.ntl.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:20:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Robert Marshall Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:11:46 +0100 Organization: The first against the wall Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <20060912213819.5f051228@athlon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-macc1-0-0-cust248.bagu.cable.ntl.com X-Home-Page: http://rmstar.blogspot.com/ User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:3DQ2iN5aWyTA+ODlmDu05JlnYwI= Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: 0.112 lockup X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:20:31 -0000 On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, George Sherwood wrote: > > Is any one else seeing lockups with 0.112? If I get new headers and > then click on the newsgroup pan will freeze up and I have to use > kill. After this if I restart pan, I click on the group and all > acts normally. I downgraded to 0.111 and am not seeing any lockups. > > I am using gtk+2 version 2.10.3 if this makes any difference. > I can fairly reliably produce a lockup with 0.112, not quite certain of the sequence but it involves being in tabbed layout, opening an article, opening the child of that article then which I click on the subject tab it hangs on me. gdb gives me (but doesn't look to be a lot of help!) Loaded system supplied DSO at 0xffffe000 [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread -1219356992 (LWP 32319)] [New Thread -1223308368 (LWP 32323)] [Thread -1223308368 (LWP 32323) exited] [New Thread -1245799504 (LWP 32327)] [New Thread -1254192208 (LWP 32328)] [Thread -1245799504 (LWP 32327) exited] [Thread -1254192208 (LWP 32328) exited] [New Thread -1264583760 (LWP 32331)] [Thread -1264583760 (LWP 32331) exited] [New Thread -1272976464 (LWP 32333)] [Thread -1272976464 (LWP 32333) exited] [New Thread -1286292560 (LWP 32336)] [Thread -1286292560 (LWP 32336) exited] [New Thread -1296835664 (LWP 32337)] [Thread -1296835664 (LWP 32337) exited] Program received signal SIGINT, Interrupt. [Switching to Thread -1219356992 (LWP 32319)] 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () Current language: auto; currently c (gdb) where #0 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb764ab23 in poll () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #2 0xb7891a8a in g_main_context_check () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 #3 0x00000004 in ?? () Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) Robert -- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 18 18:55:43 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GPS1f-0005lL-3W for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:55:43 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPS1d-0005lF-6z for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:55:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPS1a-0005jT-Kb for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:55:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPS1a-0005jQ-GA for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:55:38 -0400 Received: from [198.116.72.9] (helo=alpha1.bigelow.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPS4W-00051f-ED for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:58:40 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=www.bigelow.org) by alpha1.bigelow.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GPS35-0000lm-Vk for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:57:12 -0400 Received: from 24-50-104-225.agstme.adelphia.net ([24.50.104.225]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user bcb) by www.bigelow.org with HTTP; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1156.24.50.104.225.1158620231.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> In-Reply-To: <1114.24.50.104.225.1158407821.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> References: <1235.24.50.104.225.1158406548.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> <1114.24.50.104.225.1158407821.squirrel@www.bigelow.org> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Pan-users] odd behaviour in 0.112 on windows From: "Bruce Bowler" To: pan-users@nongnu.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-1.fc5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:55:41 -0000 >> Just downloaded 0.112 from http://panbuilds.googlepages.com/. I can >> move >> from group to group at will unless I've read a message. Once I read a >> message, any attempt to move to a different group causes pan to become >> "non-responsive". Haven't see this behaviour on an of the prior betas. > > never mind. reboot ("the windows way") and the problem's gone > Cancel that "never mind"... It's happened a few more times. Unfortunately not reproducable except that, when it happens it will happen every time I launch pan. So far a reboot has always "fixed" the problem. It's back to 0.111 for me... Bruce From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 18 19:15:56 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GPSLD-0001qx-Vl for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:15:56 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPSLC-0001oF-1b for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:15:54 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPSLA-0001mr-8V for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:15:53 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPSLA-0001mo-60 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:15:52 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPSO6-0006pb-AK for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:18:54 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GPSKv-000554-CR for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:15:37 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-208-51.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.208.51]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:15:37 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-208-51.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:15:37 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:15:30 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <20060912213819.5f051228@athlon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-208-51.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.112 (Elijah Craig) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: 0.112 lockup X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:15:54 -0000 On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:11:46 +0100, Robert Marshall wrote: > I can fairly reliably produce a lockup with 0.112, not quite certain > of the sequence but it involves being in tabbed layout, opening an > article, opening the child of that article then which I click on the > subject tab it hangs on me.... To clarify the sequence you describe: if you are reading an article body in tabbed mode -- opening the child article means hitting the Spacebar or ^N without switching panes, am I right? If you are now reading the child article in the body pane, and click on the 'Header Pane' (is that what you mean by 'subject tab'?) that is when the lockup happens? Also, does pan use lots of CPU, or none, after the lockup? From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 18 20:02:34 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GPT4M-0003Xp-1T for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:02:34 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPT4I-0003Tx-Cx for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:02:30 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPT4F-0003QF-FF for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:02:28 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPT4F-0003QB-88 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:02:27 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPT7B-0002Xg-IE for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:05:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 20682 invoked by uid 140); 19 Sep 2006 00:02:26 -0000 Received: from shitbird.rebelbase.com (HELO webmail.rebelbase.com) (204.10.36.146) by rebelbase.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 00:02:26 -0000 Received: from 129.15.69.8 (SquirrelMail authenticated user charles@rebelbase.com) by webmail.rebelbase.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:02:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:02:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "Charles Kerr" To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:02:30 -0000 This is an incremental release to get everyone on the same page after the flurry of reports in the "how's 0.113 working for you?" thread. We /may/ have one more release before the 1.0 freeze. I'm especially interested in hearing more details about the lockups that a few people have reported. New feature requests should be routed to bugzilla because I'm not going to touch them right now anyway. :) Bug tickets addressed in this release: http://tinyurl.com/pnqyc 356070 News servers not merging properly. (Alen Williams, Adam Huffman) 356206 crash when deleting messages (David Kelly) 349044 save settings periodically to safeguard against loss. (Glyn Parker) 354405 fix 0.112 Windows 2000 regression. (K Haley) 356626 Edit/Select Article Body doesn't work. (Lionel Elie Mamane) 356325 save a little memory. (Charles) 350530 save-attachments dialog's group prefs radiobutton (Jeff Berman, Walt) 355335 updated french translation. (Frederic Bezies, Christophe Gisquet) cheers, Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 18 21:00:06 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GPTy2-0007RU-KG for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:00:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPTy0-0007Qc-4s for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:00:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPTxv-0007Op-GC for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:00:02 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPTxv-0007Oe-4P for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:59:59 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPU0o-0007x2-65 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:03:02 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GPTx2-00048j-5k for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:59:04 +0200 Received: from cku68.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl ([83.31.96.68]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:59:04 +0200 Received: from arturj.usenet by cku68.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:59:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Artur Jachacy" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cku68.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Hamster/2.1.0.11 Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:00:04 -0000 On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:02:22 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: > This is an incremental release to get everyone on the same page after > the flurry of reports in the "how's 0.113 working for you?" thread. > We /may/ have one more release before the 1.0 freeze. I'm especially > interested in hearing more details about the lockups that a few people > have reported. New feature requests should be routed to bugzilla because > I'm not going to touch them right now anyway. :) Windows build at Artur -- I'm afraid I just blue myself. Pan for Windows (beta) - From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Sep 18 21:20:36 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GPUHs-0001wm-1d for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:20:36 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPUHp-0001uA-FH for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:20:33 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPUHn-0001sD-Q2 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:20:33 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPUHn-0001rp-JX for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:20:31 -0400 Received: from [206.46.252.40] (helo=vms040pub.verizon.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPUKl-0001Dp-31 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:23:35 -0400 Received: from MATRIX2 ([71.113.92.56]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J5T00MTEFPIMCB4@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for pan-users@nongnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:20:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:20:06 -0700 From: "Travis" Subject: RE: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" In-reply-to: To: Message-id: <009501c6db89$be021d90$6501a8c0@MATRIX2> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AcbbhvwzOtKWEr84RHauryA5zDASZQAAdJIw X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:20:34 -0000 ----Original Message---- From: pan-users-bounces+travis.shorelinewa=verizon.net@nongnu.org [mailto:pan-users-bounces+travis.shorelinewa=verizon.net@nongn u.org] On Behalf Of Artur Jachacy Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 17:58 To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org Subject: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:02:22 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: > >> This is an incremental release to get everyone on the same page after >> the flurry of reports in the "how's 0.113 working for you?" thread. >> We /may/ have one more release before the 1.0 freeze. I'm especially >> interested in hearing more details about the lockups that a few >> people have reported. New feature requests should be routed to >> bugzilla because I'm not going to touch them right now anyway. :) > > Windows build at > > Artur I'm running 0.110.exe now. Do I just replace it with 0.113.exe? What happens to the settings in 110? Do I have to set them up again in 113? Thanks. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 19 03:44:47 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GPaHd-0005LL-NV for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:44:46 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPaHT-0005GV-CZ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:44:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPaHP-0005Cg-PO for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:44:34 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPaHO-0005Bi-4j for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:44:30 -0400 Received: from [66.249.92.173] (helo=ug-out-1314.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPaKP-00041x-5W for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:47:37 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j40so462325ugd for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:44:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SW5r3PwlB0bDdKyFp5Qi70N3Kh7mAVjAsLDAt7vQo+Bx74qVwllaRqaHhsCvBcMSqll2HjgqtDGOGX63+qbqf2dyTk66J9IHICZFbK8+zBaFpl7/k8SZ0PKxK6BZ9dQQi2NJNZK32XtNQ5Jw5V2oGXDhPk9c1bim5Qgd02V5lsU= Received: by 10.66.216.20 with SMTP id o20mr7781324ugg; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.102? ( [81.250.121.251]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 24sm3352996ugf.2006.09.19.00.44.25; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <450F9FD4.8090509@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:44:20 +0200 From: Frederic Bezies User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1 (X11/20060917) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" References: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:44:36 -0000 Le 19.09.2006 02:03, Charles Kerr a écrit : > This is an incremental release to get everyone on the same page after > the flurry of reports in the "how's 0.113 working for you?" thread. > We /may/ have one more release before the 1.0 freeze. I'm > especially > So, 1.0 is really near ? Yes ;) > interested in hearing more details about the lockups that a few > people have reported. New feature requests should be routed to > bugzilla because I'm not going to touch them right now anyway. :) As always, but I have to say, it seems to be rock solid... And I didn't see a single crash since 0.110 / 0.111, or so. [bugs] Thanks for not having modified translation strings :) I will try to tear it in every way it is possible to do so and try to find remaining blocker bug for 1.0 release. -- Frederic Bezies - fredbezies@gmail.com From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 19 04:13:40 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GPajb-0003n9-Dj for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:13:39 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPajY-0003kh-BC for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:13:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPajW-0003jN-Gk for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:13:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPajW-0003iD-97 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:13:34 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPamX-0005cS-Kg for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:16:41 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GPajC-0004xZ-GJ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:13:14 +0200 Received: from cpc3-macc1-0-0-cust248.bagu.cable.ntl.com ([86.3.144.249]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:13:14 +0200 Received: from robert by cpc3-macc1-0-0-cust248.bagu.cable.ntl.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:13:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Robert Marshall Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:34:22 +0100 Organization: The first against the wall Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <20060912213819.5f051228@athlon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-macc1-0-0-cust248.bagu.cable.ntl.com X-Home-Page: http://rmstar.blogspot.com/ User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:anAwbcO5eNDgtgsskqsoEB3oq3U= Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: 0.112 lockup X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:13:37 -0000 On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, walt wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:11:46 +0100, Robert Marshall wrote: > >> I can fairly reliably produce a lockup with 0.112, not quite >> certain of the sequence but it involves being in tabbed layout, >> opening an article, opening the child of that article then which I >> click on the subject tab it hangs on me.... > Sorry about the lack of clarity! > To clarify the sequence you describe: if you are reading an > article body in tabbed mode -- opening the child article means > hitting the Spacebar or ^N without switching panes, am I right? no I was just using the mouse to navigate, selecting the article in the header pane - which for me moves to the body pane - clicking on the header pane again to take me back and opening the child article. I've done this a number of times with gq8sg2tqmb4ar6u104bt7da3334fh6dsll@4ax.com in alt.binaries.pictures.fractals but I doubt if that is unique. > > If you are now reading the child article in the body pane, and click > on the 'Header Pane' (is that what you mean by 'subject tab'?) that > is when the lockup happens? > Having tried again I think it may also be dependent upon what else is queued - there's an article being downloaded *very* slowly from biggulp.readfreenews.net and a header download in progress at the point where it locks > Also, does pan use lots of CPU, or none, after the lockup? None, fairly certain on this - at the moment I can't replicate the lockup (but I'd managed to get 2 lockups this morning whilst trying things before sending this reply) but I'm sure it will happen again as soon as I send this - and the traceback suggests it's waiting for something that isn't happening Robert From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 19 07:03:05 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GPdNZ-0003lS-KV for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:03:05 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPdNX-0003jT-Uv for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:03:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPdNW-0003ez-1p for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:03:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPdNV-0003et-M6 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:03:01 -0400 Received: from [66.249.82.230] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPdQY-0000MU-Uu for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:06:11 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t5so4263114wxc for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:03:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=M6S0K3Btqr5mLHjRfY2Ks00ZmNMrIV/QwSSgF9ptx4T648Tx1hln6mLG7mlucGThIoQ2ko05oW1U0iThX2uoi20aX9Jo/GeamAm1u2vGS8GO7VgY6cYW6FiIcqdg93kGK7M832owoiSpL3hvOhOQakQZRGYvfOxTpNdUoMPs+ls= Received: by 10.90.54.4 with SMTP id c4mr5154125aga; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.116.11 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5caa9b870609190403l62bdbfbclb85c93297562ba9e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:03:00 +0100 From: "Steve Davies" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:03:04 -0000 On 9/19/06, Artur Jachacy wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:02:22 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: > > > This is an incremental release to get everyone on the same page after > > the flurry of reports in the "how's 0.113 working for you?" thread. > > We /may/ have one more release before the 1.0 freeze. I'm especially > > interested in hearing more details about the lockups that a few people > > have reported. New feature requests should be routed to bugzilla because > > I'm not going to touch them right now anyway. :) > > Windows build at And Win32 installer at - This includes the prerequisite aspell DLL, but this feature is otherwise untested. Cheers, Steve From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 19 11:40:06 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GPhhd-0007Ho-Ri for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:40:05 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPhhb-0007Dg-BN for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:40:03 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPhhZ-0007A2-R0 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:40:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPhhZ-00079Z-IX for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:40:01 -0400 Received: from [64.233.162.202] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPhkf-0000GS-A2 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:43:13 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so1893324nzf for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:39:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BQSFeG9XKup1oX6sgS63VBzj3QJGPrLD69i7Ar7YrnFzDynm5VqCB//vde4eqin4zXlNx8qmqd9q4RyRSODFGOuyAcj/rN/iaaEoSyaeeV7s1/D/TvxQB1ceO3gLNtZcPdN3cD46h3z7IIsUkzULseFtLBIA156/1irPYlUmUjc= Received: by 10.65.159.20 with SMTP id l20mr17540220qbo; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.252.12 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6aabc090609190839q1c295ddat6acd1e4d53d84325@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 05:39:57 -1000 From: "Kevin Brammer" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" In-Reply-To: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:40:03 -0000 > 356206 crash when deleting messages (David Kelly) I'm still experiencing the crashing when deleting messages while other headers are still downloading. I'll try to post a debug trace a little later. Kevin From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 19 12:38:21 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GPic1-0007M6-PQ for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:38:21 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPic0-0007Ly-7l for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:38:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPiby-0007Lg-T9 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:38:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPiby-0007Ld-NO for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:38:18 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPif4-0007eM-Qo for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:41:31 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GPibO-0000rV-2K for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:37:42 +0200 Received: from cku68.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl ([83.31.96.68]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:37:42 +0200 Received: from arturj.usenet by cku68.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:37:42 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Artur Jachacy" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <009501c6db89$be021d90$6501a8c0@MATRIX2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cku68.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Hamster/2.1.0.11 Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:38:20 -0000 On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:20:06 -0700, Travis wrote: > I'm running 0.110.exe now. Do I just replace it with 0.113.exe? What > happens to the settings in 110? Do I have to set them up again in > 113? > > Thanks. > Yup, that should be enough. Your settings will be fine. Artur -- I'm afraid I just blue myself. Pan for Windows (beta) - From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 19 17:21:47 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GPn2J-0000qG-Oj for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:21:47 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPn2I-0000q3-D8 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:21:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GPn2E-0000nk-C6 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:21:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPn2E-0000nX-83 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:21:42 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPn5M-0007YT-Vt for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:24:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 14965 invoked by uid 140); 19 Sep 2006 21:21:48 -0000 Received: from nat.nssl.noaa.gov (HELO ?172.16.20.18?) (charles@129.15.69.8) by rebelbase.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 21:21:48 -0000 Message-ID: <45105F1E.6010507@rebelbase.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:20:30 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: 0.112 lockup References: <20060912213819.5f051228@athlon> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:21:46 -0000 Robert Marshall wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, walt wrote: >> To clarify the sequence you describe: if you are reading an >> article body in tabbed mode -- opening the child article means >> hitting the Spacebar or ^N without switching panes, am I right? > > no I was just using the mouse to navigate, selecting the article in > the header pane - which for me moves to the body pane - clicking on > the header pane again to take me back and opening the child > article. I've done this a number of times with > gq8sg2tqmb4ar6u104bt7da3334fh6dsll@4ax.com in > alt.binaries.pictures.fractals but I doubt if that is unique. Give http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356805 a try, please. It's got a patch to fix a recent bug that _could_ cause lockups/crashes within a minute or two of making a new server connection. 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11:36:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:37:22 +0500 From: George Sherwood To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" Message-ID: <20060920203722.3a3da560@athlon> In-Reply-To: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> References: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.10.3; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:36:27 -0000 LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkVEIE1FU1NBR0UtLS0tLQ0KSGFzaDogU0hBMQ0KDQpPbiBNb24s IDE4IFNlcCAyMDA2IDE5OjAyOjIyIC0wNTAwIChDRFQpDQoiQ2hhcmxlcyBLZXJyIiA8Y2hhcmxl 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19:23:50 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Marshall MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17681.34613.995295.450685@faure.chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:23:49 +0100 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: 0.112 lockup In-Reply-To: <45105F1E.6010507@rebelbase.com> References: <20060912213819.5f051228@athlon> <45105F1E.6010507@rebelbase.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 for GNU Emacs 22.0.50.27 using tc 0.11.4 X-Attribution: rajm X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:23:56 -0000 On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Charles Kerr wrote: > Robert Marshall wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, walt wrote: > >>> To clarify the sequence you describe: if you are reading an >>> article body in tabbed mode -- opening the child article means >>> hitting the Spacebar or ^N without switching panes, am I right? >> >> no I was just using the mouse to navigate, selecting the article in >> the header pane - which for me moves to the body pane - clicking on >> the header pane again to take me back and opening the child >> article. I've done this a number of times with >> gq8sg2tqmb4ar6u104bt7da3334fh6dsll@4ax.com in >> alt.binaries.pictures.fractals but I doubt if that is unique. > > Give http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356805 a try, please. > It's got a patch to fix a recent bug that _could_ cause lockups/crashes > within a minute or two of making a new server connection. > I installed this patch - thank you - and *so far* (now with 0.113) it hasn't locked up on me at all! I could get it to lock up pretty easily before so I think at least my lockup may have been squashed! Robert -- Links and things http://rmstar.blogspot.com/ Robert Marshall From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 20 15:51:41 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ86f-00084V-QE for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:51:41 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ86d-00083J-FY for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:51:39 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ86T-0007zh-5Z for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:51:38 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ86S-0007zb-VW for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:51:28 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQ89n-0007Pq-5J for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:54:55 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ85U-0000lY-Vg for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:50:28 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:50:28 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:50:28 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:59:38 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] what are the red symbols in the headers list? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:51:39 -0000 There's a red logo on the left hand side of the headers list, what is this? What about the yellow logo? The envelope logo is, apparently, indicative of text messages only. thanks, Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 20 16:12:27 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ8Ql-0005U9-3U for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:12:27 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ8Qj-0005Sm-4w for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:12:25 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ8Qh-0005Rm-BF for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:12:24 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ8Qh-0005Rh-7I for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:12:23 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.158] (helo=mxsf33.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQ8U3-0001OE-9Y for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:15:51 -0400 Received: from mxip29a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip29a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.188]) by mxsf33.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8KKCEg9003593 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:12:18 -0400 Received: from 68-184-218-179.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([68.184.218.179]) by mxip29a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 20 Sep 2006 16:12:11 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,192,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="1753988792:sNHT23962912" Message-ID: <4511A103.1050605@charter.net> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:13:55 -0500 From: fred User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] what are the red symbols in the headers list? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:12:25 -0000 Thufir If you are talking about the "puzzle piece" when it is read it means the post is incomplete(missing pieces) . When it is green the post is complete. Lazlow Thufir wrote: > There's a red logo on the left hand side of the headers list, what is > this? What about the yellow logo? The envelope logo is, apparently, > indicative of text messages only. > > > thanks, > > Thufir > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pan-users mailing list > Pan-users@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users > > From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 20 17:43:17 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ9qe-0001m1-VD for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:43:16 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ9qc-0001iG-Mt for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:43:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ9qb-0001fZ-Em for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:43:14 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ9qb-0001fL-BM for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:43:13 -0400 Received: from [64.233.162.194] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQ9ty-0003Lp-CC for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:46:42 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so220784nzf for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:43:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MpeYqWBiGo0wJUC0aSxfBxRxh6s2pz0fjPURbsvJ/pVy4/XOTKfK7Xc4+9ND9pAR0v8gfoVjdJkIM5c5hPD/ghsf29FkpF0iaiNQqxM5OLYSB4cDZL49K5y0Qaxjaw3HBSCHOoijPOeSE9vXfojbP0tTG0/fbNxAmND2r5Lbi4o= Received: by 10.65.122.15 with SMTP id z15mr20074518qbm; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.250.4 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6aabc090609201443l4a383a40x853af7f0b397ad15@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:43:11 -1000 From: "Kevin Brammer" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" In-Reply-To: <6aabc090609190839q1c295ddat6acd1e4d53d84325@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> <6aabc090609190839q1c295ddat6acd1e4d53d84325@mail.gmail.com> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:43:15 -0000 On 9/19/06, Kevin Brammer wrote: > > 356206 crash when deleting messages (David Kelly) > > I'm still experiencing the crashing when deleting messages while other > headers are still downloading. I'll try to post a debug trace a > little later. > > Kevin > Nevermind. I guess the moral of the story is rm -rf ~/.pan2 after each build. Once I did that, no more crashes. Kevin From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 20 18:31:37 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQAbQ-0004Ms-Tk for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:31:37 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQAbO-0004Ju-LW for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:31:34 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQAbN-0004Ih-Sp for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:31:34 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQAbN-0004IR-OH for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:31:33 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQAel-0007i0-Ac for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:35:03 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQAbB-0003Hj-Ff for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:31:21 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-183-8.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.183.8]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:31:21 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-183-8.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:31:21 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> <6aabc090609190839q1c295ddat6acd1e4d53d84325@mail.gmail.com> <6aabc090609201443l4a383a40x853af7f0b397ad15@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-183-8.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:31:35 -0000 On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:43:11 -1000, Kevin Brammer wrote: ... > Nevermind. I guess the moral of the story is rm -rf ~/.pan2 after > each build. Once I did that, no more crashes. Well, maybe. But... Anyone who follows internet security problems will be aware that 'insufficient validation of user input' is responsible for a great many software vulnerabilities. Should a locally-stored config file be considered 'user input' in this context? In the short-run, clearly not: Charles has enough trouble on his hands just fixing major bugs without adding extra code to validate the contents of pan's own config files. But, in the long run it's a problem which definitely needs to be solved. This is an ideal research project for some eager computer science grad student. (Heh, maybe even a ten-year-old, nowadays!) From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 20 19:24:36 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQBQh-0005sW-1o for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:24:35 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQBQe-0005mc-72 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:24:32 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQBQW-0005ZO-Js for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:24:29 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQBQW-0005Yr-3U for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:24:24 -0400 Received: from [64.233.166.179] (helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQBTs-0005iC-7I for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:27:52 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c63so469983pyc for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:23:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pSadyHwM5Gflhzu/NoZbOqWwL3/D2801Xmt2AVgoLFRb+GsjSdH9SlligebWIh6aYi4fe0wFS2PJ2FHNAEwgRx6BvXE+WXdGZiR4TVDa/6FK2lzkCJO6k2utmf6MaZOCM5RfgPaoK/ZMuZPvhrpvpfLTvUeQ/PrNvJrOsB1yvZ4= Received: by 10.64.143.12 with SMTP id q12mr20227869qbd; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.250.4 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6aabc090609201623q5beaec04l6ade0cbd9cad7098@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:23:47 -1000 From: "Kevin Brammer" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> <6aabc090609190839q1c295ddat6acd1e4d53d84325@mail.gmail.com> <6aabc090609201443l4a383a40x853af7f0b397ad15@mail.gmail.com> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:24:33 -0000 On 9/20/06, walt wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:43:11 -1000, Kevin Brammer wrote: > ... > > Nevermind. I guess the moral of the story is rm -rf ~/.pan2 after > > each build. Once I did that, no more crashes. > > Well, maybe. But... > > Anyone who follows internet security problems will be aware that > 'insufficient validation of user input' is responsible for a great > many software vulnerabilities. > > Should a locally-stored config file be considered 'user input' in > this context? > > In the short-run, clearly not: Charles has enough trouble on his > hands just fixing major bugs without adding extra code to validate > the contents of pan's own config files. > > But, in the long run it's a problem which definitely needs to be > solved. This is an ideal research project for some eager computer > science grad student. (Heh, maybe even a ten-year-old, nowadays!) We may be talking about two different things. I was referring to my other email about the crashing when deleting headers while they were updating. I'm not sure which part of that generated your train of thought. :\ I just found that when I compiled .113, I had to delete my .pan2 directory, otherwise I suffered the same effects as .112. Maybe it was some pan-generated config file, or a corrupted cache of some sort...no idea. From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 20 20:25:16 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQCNQ-0001r1-Fr for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:25:16 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQCNP-0001qk-IM for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:25:15 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQCNL-0001pH-TQ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:25:15 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQCNL-0001p4-KD for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:25:11 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQCQk-0001Hc-51 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:28:42 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQCNC-0006mL-LC for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:25:02 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-183-8.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.183.8]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:25:02 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-183-8.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:25:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> <6aabc090609190839q1c295ddat6acd1e4d53d84325@mail.gmail.com> <6aabc090609201443l4a383a40x853af7f0b397ad15@mail.gmail.com> <6aabc090609201623q5beaec04l6ade0cbd9cad7098@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-183-8.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:25:15 -0000 On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:23:47 -1000, Kevin Brammer wrote: ... > I just found that when I compiled .113, I had to delete my .pan2 > directory, otherwise I suffered the same effects as .112. Maybe it > was some pan-generated config file, or a corrupted cache of some > sort...no idea. Me either ;o) But I know for certain that pan crashed on your machine because it read a file which contained something it wasn't expecting. Kinda the same as answering the telephone and hearing something so unexpected that you faint dead away... This is a problem which is far bigger than any one program. Don't interpret my comments as a criticism of pan. I'm hoping that someone in our audience will have enough smarts and enough energy to solve this problem for *all* software. But I'm not holding my breath... From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 11:38:47 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQQdT-0002gh-9a for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:38:47 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQQdR-0002fq-G2 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:38:45 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQQdP-0002fc-Nm for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:38:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQQdP-0002fZ-Lk for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:38:43 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQQgw-0002Q5-Vy for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:42:23 -0400 Received: (qmail 14589 invoked by uid 140); 21 Sep 2006 15:39:12 -0000 Received: from nat.nssl.noaa.gov (HELO ?172.16.20.18?) (charles@129.15.69.8) by rebelbase.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 15:39:12 -0000 Message-ID: <4512B1A9.509@rebelbase.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:37:13 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" References: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> <6aabc090609190839q1c295ddat6acd1e4d53d84325@mail.gmail.com> <6aabc090609201443l4a383a40x853af7f0b397ad15@mail.gmail.com> <6aabc090609201623q5beaec04l6ade0cbd9cad7098@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:38:45 -0000 walt wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:23:47 -1000, Kevin Brammer wrote: > ... >> I just found that when I compiled .113, I had to delete my .pan2 >> directory, otherwise I suffered the same effects as .112. Maybe it >> was some pan-generated config file, or a corrupted cache of some >> sort...no idea. > > Me either ;o) But I know for certain that pan crashed on your machine > because it read a file which contained something it wasn't expecting. My guess is that it was the duplicate posts that 0.111-0.112 created as a side-effect of the 0.111 speedups. 0.113 fixes this duplication for new headers, but doesn't retroactively fix the old ones. See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356070 for more info. I'm kind of surprised that the duplicates could cause a crash, but in the context Kevin's talking about, it makes sense. You shouldn't have to delete your ~/.pan2 directory after every release; that would be insane ... but, to fix any 0.111-0.112 corruption, it wouldn't be a bad idea to rm ~/.pan2/groups/* just this once. Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 11:40:41 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQQfJ-0005vy-13 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:40:41 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQQfI-0005vd-49 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:40:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQQfG-0005up-H5 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:40:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQQfG-0005uk-8g for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:40:38 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQQin-0002u0-J3 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:44:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 14987 invoked by uid 140); 21 Sep 2006 15:41:09 -0000 Received: from nat.nssl.noaa.gov (HELO ?172.16.20.18?) (charles@129.15.69.8) by rebelbase.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 15:41:09 -0000 Message-ID: <4512B21E.7040500@rebelbase.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:39:10 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" References: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> <20060920203722.3a3da560@athlon> In-Reply-To: <20060920203722.3a3da560@athlon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:40:40 -0000 George Sherwood wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:02:22 -0500 (CDT) > "Charles Kerr" wrote: > >> This is an incremental release to get everyone on the same page after >> the flurry of reports in the "how's 0.113 working for you?" thread. >> We /may/ have one more release before the 1.0 freeze. I'm especially >> interested in hearing more details about the lockups that a few people >> have reported. > > I am still getting lockups with 0.113. Not sure how to debug at this > point. Running pan --debug gives this output after the GUI is locked > up: From what others are saying, it looks like the patch at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356805 fixes this problem. Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 12:10:09 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQR7o-0003aB-EI for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:10:08 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQR7m-0003XX-Af for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:10:06 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQR7g-0003Qp-Ge for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:10:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQR7g-0003Qf-2y for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:10:00 -0400 Received: from [199.231.136.142] (helo=email12.mywebmailserver.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQRBD-0006YH-To for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:13:40 -0400 Received: from athlon ([217.14.102.113]) by email12.mywebmailserver.com (IntelliMail) with ASMTP id CRY74585 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:09:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:11:03 +0500 From: George Sherwood To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" Message-ID: <20060921211103.0d9b01c3@athlon> In-Reply-To: <4512B21E.7040500@rebelbase.com> References: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> <20060920203722.3a3da560@athlon> <4512B21E.7040500@rebelbase.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.10.3; 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Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:16:21 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:16:21 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <4385.129.15.69.8.1158624142.squirrel@webmail.rebelbase.com> <6aabc090609190839q1c295ddat6acd1e4d53d84325@mail.gmail.com> <6aabc090609201443l4a383a40x853af7f0b397ad15@mail.gmail.com> <6aabc090609201623q5beaec04l6ade0cbd9cad7098@mail.gmail.com> <4512B1A9.509@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: 0.113 "0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:23:48 -0000 Charles Kerr posted 4512B1A9.509@rebelbase.com, excerpted below, on Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:37:13 -0500: > My guess is that it was the duplicate posts that 0.111-0.112 created > as a side-effect of the 0.111 speedups. 0.113 fixes this duplication > for new headers, but doesn't retroactively fix the old ones. > See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356070 for more info. /That's/ what I've been seeing, pan post duplication! I thought that's what it looked like, but hadn't traced for sure whether it was the poster or pan doing it. It never crashed on me tho, just caused irritation. Perhaps that's because I have fetch new headers on startup and group entry disabled, and only fetch them manually. There'd be no conflict between trying to load the group (or delete stuff) and trying to get new headers at the same time, the way I do it, and that might be what triggered the crashes. Crashing or not, tho, I'm glad it's resolved, as that was frustrating in any case. Reading the bug explains why I'm seeing /4 instead of 2/4 on multipart posts now, too. I had thought that was odd, but attributed it to some strangeness on the part of the posted messages. It does make sense, tho, now that I think about it. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 13:57:38 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQSnq-0005uJ-NJ for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:57:38 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQSnp-0005qR-5o for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:57:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQSnm-0005gu-3n for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:57:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQSnl-0005gg-VS for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:57:34 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.159] (helo=mxsf34.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQSrK-0003d8-KE for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:01:14 -0400 Received: from mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.152]) by mxsf34.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8LHvVSe009114 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:57:32 -0400 Received: from 68-184-218-179.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([68.184.218.179]) by mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 21 Sep 2006 13:57:31 -0400 Message-ID: <4512D2FA.5010800@charter.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:59:22 -0500 From: fred User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Pan-users] Memory Leak? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:57:37 -0000 Hey Guys Running FC5 and 0.113. Pan is soaking up 1.5gb of 2gb of memory when left running overnight. I am not seeing a crash. I am using a lot of large binaries (a.b.dvd etc). When I compiled I did not get any errors and it past the checks without incident. Any suggestions? Thanks Lazlow From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 16:37:32 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQVIa-0007Ia-DV for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:37:32 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQVIY-0007Fd-Rd for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:37:30 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQVIW-0007Cj-KR for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:37:29 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQVIW-0007Ca-DL for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:37:28 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQVM6-0005nC-Lt for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:41:10 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQVI2-00008t-V3 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:37:01 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:36:58 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:36:58 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:33:44 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <4511A103.1050605@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: what are the red symbols in the headers list? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:37:31 -0000 On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:13:55 -0500, fred wrote: > Thufir > > If you are talking about the "puzzle piece" when it is read it means the > post is incomplete(missing pieces) . When it is green the post is complete. [...] Aha! thanks, Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 16:40:43 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQVLe-0002o9-GO for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:40:42 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQVLc-0002l8-8u for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:40:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQVLa-0002hV-E1 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:40:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQVLa-0002h5-2s for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:40:38 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQVPA-0006DR-8N for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:44:20 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQVL0-0000zi-LE for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:40:02 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:40:02 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:40:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:37:42 +0100 Lines: 33 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] FQDN and hostname X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:40:40 -0000 I set up a FQDN for leafnode for the purpose of posting, but now realize that my posts have "gmail.com" in the message-id, instead of my FQDN. my hostname: [thufir@arrakis ~]$ [thufir@arrakis ~]$ hostname arrakis.homelinux.org [thufir@arrakis ~]$ [thufir@arrakis ~]$ telnet localhost nntp Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1). Escape character is '^]'. 200 Leafnode NNTP Daemon, version 1.11.5 running at arrakis.homelinux.org (my fqdn: arrakis.homelinux.org) ^] telnet> quit Connection closed. [thufir@arrakis ~]$ [thufir@arrakis ~]$ date Thu Sep 21 21:35:15 IST 2006 [thufir@arrakis ~]$ [thufir@arrakis ~]$ Is this a pan or leafnode problem? I'm fairly sure that pan is generating the message-id, when, perhaps, it's best left to leafnode...? Or, is it not a problem? thanks, Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 19:06:39 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQXct-0005KD-5V for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:06:39 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQXcr-0005Jx-CX for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:06:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQXcq-0005Jd-7h for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:06:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQXcq-0005Ja-4k for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:06:36 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.174] (helo=mxsf42.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQXgR-0003BB-Km for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:10:19 -0400 Received: from mxip33a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip33a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.248]) by mxsf42.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8LN6OdA016029 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:06:28 -0400 Received: from 68-184-218-179.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([68.184.218.179]) by mxip33a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 21 Sep 2006 19:06:24 -0400 Message-ID: <45131B60.5090200@charter.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:08:16 -0500 From: fred User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Memory Leak? References: <4512D2FA.5010800@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <4512D2FA.5010800@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:06:37 -0000 Update The previous problem was when I hit update all subscribed. If I update just a.b.dvd I do get a crash after a while. Spits out: GThread-ERROR **: file gthread-posix.c: line 353 (): error 'Cannot allocate memory' during 'pthread_create' aborting... Aborted fred wrote: > Hey Guys > > Running FC5 and 0.113. Pan is soaking up 1.5gb of 2gb of memory when > left running overnight. I am not seeing a crash. I am using a lot of > large binaries (a.b.dvd etc). When I compiled I did not get any errors > and it past the checks without incident. Any suggestions? > > Thanks > Lazlow > > > _______________________________________________ > Pan-users mailing list > Pan-users@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users > From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 20:03:19 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQYVj-0005Zo-QH for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:03:19 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQYVi-0005Zi-Fy for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:03:18 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQYVg-0005ZK-31 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:03:17 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQYVf-0005ZH-T5 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:03:15 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQYZI-0008H7-3Z for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:07:00 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQYVU-0006aQ-R9 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:03:04 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-217-206.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.217.206]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:03:04 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-217-206.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:03:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-217-206.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: FQDN and hostname X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:03:18 -0000 On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:37:42 +0100, Thufir wrote: > Is this a pan or leafnode problem? I'm fairly sure that pan is generating > the message-id, when, perhaps, it's best left to leafnode...? Based on my quick tests just now, I'd say that pan is letting the server generate the message ID. In my case, the MID reflects which server I'm using to post. I'm posting this message thru gmane, so I would expect that my MID for this message will indicate gmane, of course. Other opinions? From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 20:33:00 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQYyS-00023N-Ok for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:33:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQYyR-0001yA-5p for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:32:59 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQYyQ-0001vi-BE for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:32:58 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQYyQ-0001vD-6Y for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:32:58 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQZ22-0002pX-9z for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:36:43 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQYxt-0004Kb-1v for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:32:26 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-217-206.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.217.206]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:32:25 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-217-206.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:32:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 24 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-217-206.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] One confusing thing about the 'group search' widget X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:32:59 -0000 I know that, technically speaking, this problem is PEBKAC ;o) However, I've been caught by this same irritation so many times that I thought I'd invite other opinions. The only time I search for group names in the Group Pane is when I want to investigate a group I'm not already subscribed to. (I have a very short 'Subscribed' list -- so no need to search it.) So. I type alt.foo in the search widget, and then start reading alt.foo in the headers pane, and all is good. But, when I return to my usual 'subscribed' groups, the list of subscribed groups is blank -- because alt.foo is not in my list of subscribed groups, yet 'alt.foo' is still in the group- search widget. IMO, the group-search widget should be blanked out any time I return to the Groups Pane. My reason for searching for alt.foo is gone -- I've already found it and decided not to subscribe. Any contrary opinions? From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 20:58:09 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQZMn-0005v4-Hu for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:58:09 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQZMl-0005uG-SD for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:58:07 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQZMk-0005ry-92 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:58:07 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQZMk-0005rV-0l for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:58:06 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQZQM-0004ze-JX for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:01:50 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQZLu-0003Gm-Uv for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:57:16 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:57:14 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:57:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:55:25 +0100 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: FQDN and hostname X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:58:08 -0000 On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:02:45 +0000, walt wrote: > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:37:42 +0100, Thufir wrote: > > >> Is this a pan or leafnode problem? I'm fairly sure that pan is generating >> the message-id, when, perhaps, it's best left to leafnode...? > > Based on my quick tests just now, I'd say that pan is letting the server > generate the message ID. In my case, the MID reflects which server I'm > using to post. I'm posting this message thru gmane, so I would expect > that my MID for this message will indicate gmane, of course. > > Other opinions? The message id domain name can be configured from tools > posting profiles... I entered a domain name of "arrakis.homelinux.org" to reflect my FQDN, rather than a domain name of "google.com", which I don't own. I'd rather pan didn't generate a message id at all, and left that up to leafnode, but... In any event, problem solved :) -Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 21:29:28 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQZr5-0004d2-Uh for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:29:27 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQZr3-0004bq-PE for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:29:25 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQZr1-0004bX-TA for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:29:25 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQZr1-0004bS-Nf for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:29:23 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQZue-0000ps-T2 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:33:09 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQZqn-0005SA-9R for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 03:29:09 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-217-206.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.217.206]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 03:29:09 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-217-206.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 03:29:09 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-217-206.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: FQDN and hostname X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:29:26 -0000 On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:55:25 +0100, Thufir wrote: > The message id domain name can be configured from tools > posting profiles... Hmm. I don't see a 'tools' menu anywhere. Have I gone blind? I see Edit > Posting Profiles, but nothing relating to domain names. I will move my ~/.pan2 out of the way and see if I have been missing any recent pan magic tricks ;o) From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 21:44:59 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQa67-0003sV-CA for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:44:59 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQa66-0003r9-1X for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:44:58 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQa65-0003pg-7E for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:44:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQa65-0003pQ-1l for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:44:57 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQa9i-00025R-51 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:48:42 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQa61-0008TN-FA for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 03:44:53 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 03:44:53 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 03:44:53 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:41:44 +0100 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: FQDN and hostname X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:44:58 -0000 On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:28:53 +0000, walt wrote: > On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:55:25 +0100, Thufir wrote: > >> The message id domain name can be configured from tools > posting profiles... > > Hmm. I don't see a 'tools' menu anywhere. Have I gone blind? > > I see Edit > Posting Profiles, but nothing relating to domain names. > > I will move my ~/.pan2 out of the way and see if I have been missing any > recent pan magic tricks ;o) You're there :) It's "message ID domain name" when you open a specific posting profile. No worries, as your headers give a message id domain of gmane.org, which is fine. If you'll notice, the header for my messages now reflect my FQDN (fully qualified domain name), which is "arrakis.homelinux.org". You're probably connecting pan directly to gmane? In my case, I'm using leafnode to facilitate offline reading. -Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 21:57:20 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaI4-0001gv-3w for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:57:20 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaI2-0001gR-MG for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:57:18 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaHy-0001fu-QC for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:57:18 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaHy-0001fr-NC for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:57:14 -0400 Received: from [66.93.4.40] (helo=lister.deadlazlosplace.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQaLb-0002xS-SP for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:01:00 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (lazarus.deadlazlosplace.com [66.93.4.97]) by lister.deadlazlosplace.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k8M1uq0h000837 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <451341E0.4000702@deadlazlosplace.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:52:32 -0400 From: jef_e User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] One confusing thing about the 'group search' widget References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:57:18 -0000 walt wrote: > IMO, the group-search widget should be blanked out any time > I return to the Groups Pane. My reason for searching for > alt.foo is gone -- I've already found it and decided not to > subscribe. > > Any contrary opinions? What you are suggesting would be fine for a single group search, I think, but for groups it would be a major inconvenience. I don't do it often, but once in a while I'll go group *shopping* just to see whats going on. Say I'm planning a trip to Ireland. A group search for Ireland shows me 23 groups on Giganews. Some I don't care about, like the genealogy groups. But there are a handful of clari. groups, some soc. groups, and hey, even alt.binaries.pictures.supermodels.kathy-ireland! ;) . If I pull in headers and read a bit of one of those groups, I may still want to go back and sample a few others before committing to any of them by subscribing. Removing the search term would mean I'd have to re-enter it each time. jef From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 22:05:27 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaPv-0007el-Mi for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:05:27 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaPt-0007dX-CM for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:05:25 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaPn-0007bR-Se for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:05:24 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaPn-0007bC-N6 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:05:19 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.165] (helo=mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQaTR-000446-3I for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:09:05 -0400 Received: from mxip26a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip26a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.181]) by mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8M25AV6002567 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:05:13 -0400 Received: from 24-241-114-052.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com (HELO [10.60.10.200]) ([24.241.114.52]) by mxip26a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 21 Sep 2006 22:05:05 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,197,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="1714652881:sNHT40168036" Message-ID: <451344C3.1@s87059876.onlinehome.us> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:04:51 -0400 From: Darren User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] One confusing thing about the 'group search' widget References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:05:25 -0000 walt wrote: > > IMO, the group-search widget should be blanked out any time > I return to the Groups Pane. My reason for searching for > alt.foo is gone -- I've already found it and decided not to > subscribe. > > Any contrary opinions? I disagree since some people might have large subscribed lists and use the group-search to filter their subscribed groups. From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 22:06:23 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaQp-0000jk-2y for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:06:23 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaQm-0000fH-TP for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:06:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaQl-0000cB-4y for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:06:20 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaQk-0000bv-Su for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:06:18 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.159] (helo=mxsf34.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQaUO-00047z-84 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:10:04 -0400 Received: from mxip26a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip26a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.181]) by mxsf34.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8M267AQ029381 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:06:11 -0400 Received: from 24-241-114-052.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com (HELO [10.60.10.200]) ([24.241.114.52]) by mxip26a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 21 Sep 2006 22:05:05 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,197,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="1714652881:sNHT40168036" Message-ID: <451344C3.1@s87059876.onlinehome.us> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:04:51 -0400 From: Darren User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] One confusing thing about the 'group search' widget References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:06:21 -0000 walt wrote: > > IMO, the group-search widget should be blanked out any time > I return to the Groups Pane. My reason for searching for > alt.foo is gone -- I've already found it and decided not to > subscribe. > > Any contrary opinions? I disagree since some people might have large subscribed lists and use the group-search to filter their subscribed groups. From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 22:12:01 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaWG-0003Bw-Uf for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:12:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaWF-0003Br-3l for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:11:59 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaWC-0003BZ-LT for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:11:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaWC-0003BG-GD for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:11:56 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQaZq-0004aW-2T for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:15:42 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaW7-0007O6-Ki for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:11:53 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:11:51 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:11:51 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: One confusing thing about the 'group search' widget X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:11:59 -0000 "walt" posted eevau4$q05$2@sea.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:32:04 +0000: > I know that, technically speaking, this problem is PEBKAC ;o) > > However, I've been caught by this same irritation so many times > that I thought I'd invite other opinions. > > The only time I search for group names in the Group Pane is > when I want to investigate a group I'm not already subscribed > to. (I have a very short 'Subscribed' list -- so no need to > search it.) > > So. I type alt.foo in the search widget, and then start reading > alt.foo in the headers pane, and all is good. > > But, when I return to my usual 'subscribed' groups, the list > of subscribed groups is blank -- because alt.foo is not in my > list of subscribed groups, yet 'alt.foo' is still in the group- > search widget. > > IMO, the group-search widget should be blanked out any time > I return to the Groups Pane. My reason for searching for > alt.foo is gone -- I've already found it and decided not to > subscribe. > > Any contrary opinions? While I agree that the current solution here isn't entirely intuitive, I don't see yours being any more so. In particular, what happens if there are multiple matching groups and the plan had been to check out several of them in turn? At least now, the behavior is logical, even if not exactly intuitive. If you cleared it every time, that would to me be neither logical nor intuitive. What about this? Add another branch to the tree at the same level as subscribed groups and other groups. Call it group search. When the search is blank, this branch will list all groups, subscribed and not, since all match. When the search is non-blank, it'll list matching groups, again, regardless of subscribed status. The subscribed branch list wouldn't be affected, and the branch now titled "Other Groups" would be relabeled "Unsubscribed Groups", and again, wouldn't be affected by the search. This should be intuitive as the third branch would be "Search Match Groups" or similar. Actually, I'd prefer tabs rather than branches at that this level, but that's a bit of a different discussion. In any case, both of these would be post 1.0 feature requests, not worth holding up 1.0 to introduce and bug-test, IMO. Agreed? -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 22:21:46 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQafi-0006vA-JM for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:21:46 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaff-0006p4-PX for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:21:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQafc-0006ir-L4 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:21:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQafc-0006io-GY for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:21:40 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQajF-0005RB-TP for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:25:26 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQafU-0000h4-Ac for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:21:32 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:21:32 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:21:32 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 03:20:28 +0100 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: One confusing thing about the 'group search' widget X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:21:44 -0000 On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:32:04 +0000, walt wrote: > I know that, technically speaking, this problem is PEBKAC ;o) > > However, I've been caught by this same irritation so many times > that I thought I'd invite other opinions. > > The only time I search for group names in the Group Pane is > when I want to investigate a group I'm not already subscribed > to. (I have a very short 'Subscribed' list -- so no need to > search it.) > > So. I type alt.foo in the search widget, and then start reading > alt.foo in the headers pane, and all is good. > > But, when I return to my usual 'subscribed' groups, the list > of subscribed groups is blank -- because alt.foo is not in my > list of subscribed groups, yet 'alt.foo' is still in the group- > search widget. > > IMO, the group-search widget should be blanked out any time > I return to the Groups Pane. My reason for searching for > alt.foo is gone -- I've already found it and decided not to > subscribe. > > Any contrary opinions? Nope, I concur with you, and, IMHO, it's a bug. -Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 22:22:13 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQag9-00075J-2b for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:22:13 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQag8-00074z-2E for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:22:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQag6-00074L-MZ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:22:11 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQag6-00074I-E1 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:22:10 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQajj-0005Th-Tm for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:25:56 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQafn-0000lR-Qm for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:21:51 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-217-206.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.217.206]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:21:51 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-217-206.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:21:51 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-217-206.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: FQDN and hostname X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:22:12 -0000 On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:41:44 +0100, Thufir wrote: > On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:28:53 +0000, walt wrote: >> Hmm. I don't see a 'tools' menu anywhere. Have I gone blind? > You're there :) > ...If you'll notice, the header for my messages now reflect my FQDN > (fully qualified domain name), which is "arrakis.homelinux.org"... Oops! Thufir, do you know that your headers also include this: User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Yes, when I examine the menus in my *old* pan I see the option you mention. When you start pan, are you using an absolute path? How many versions of pan do you have on your machine? From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 21 22:27:22 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQal8-0008BK-3z for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:27:22 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQal6-00087e-8j for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:27:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQal5-00086P-8K for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:27:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQal5-00086J-4F for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:27:19 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQaoi-0006Di-NN for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:31:05 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQaku-0001xA-Rq for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:27:08 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:27:08 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:27:08 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:26:59 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: FQDN and hostname X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:27:20 -0000 "walt" posted eeve8l$gve$1@sea.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:28:53 +0000: > On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:55:25 +0100, Thufir wrote: > >> The message id domain name can be configured from tools > posting profiles... > > Hmm. I don't see a 'tools' menu anywhere. Have I gone blind? > > I see Edit > Posting Profiles, but nothing relating to domain names. > > I will move my ~/.pan2 out of the way and see if I have been missing any > recent pan magic tricks ;o) The confusion is due to pan version. New-pan works quite differently than old-pan in this regard. Thufir must still be using old (0.14.x) pan. Indeed, a quick header check verifies that he is, 0.14.2.91. Thufir: The version you are using is no longer under development. What I referred to as new-pan is now version 0.113, with 0.114 likely to be considered 1.0 release candidate 1. New-pan is a full rewrite, now in C++, while old-pan was written in C. Among other things, new-pan makes far more efficient use of memory so scales far better in heavy traffic binary groups, and it now handles multiple servers automatically, with a unified group list instead of one per server. On topic, it now appears to let the server set Message-ID. For more details, see the posts to this group/list since April 1, and pan's home page at http://pan.rebelbase.com . (It's still up in the air whether pan 1.0 will be out in time to make Debian version freeze for next stable Debian, but it'll be close. We had hoped to have 1.0 out by now, but turned out there were a few more nasty bugs to work out first, so we're just now reaching rc1 status -- hopefully for sure this time. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 22 04:27:48 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQgNv-00053B-R9 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:27:47 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQgNr-00052b-IZ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:27:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQgNp-00051q-KK for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:27:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQgNp-00051e-8j for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:27:41 -0400 Received: from [66.249.82.239] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQgRV-0007zT-W6 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:31:30 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1144759wxc for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:27:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TivnjPMEMH8R22guCzlALlVoqnQ1ZZ2n6o5MeFvs82iAIi6LTAVtpxNd5ml2feOMyqCZZ8AwsKrmMyUm7kuOI84nyz0qniov1TJyEOPwfhAb8YlJdvTq9INI2OQCJoF4JBF+6xjT0ZVaBaAdSF3iTdtuU+1ysksvRb9J0eOxS3c= Received: by 10.90.56.14 with SMTP id e14mr45404aga; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.116.11 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5caa9b870609220127h3b0f94a0qa88b25922bc79f36@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:27:39 +0100 From: "Steve Davies" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: One confusing thing about the 'group search' widget In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:27:44 -0000 On 9/22/06, Thufir wrote: > On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:32:04 +0000, walt wrote: > [snip] > > > > The only time I search for group names in the Group Pane is > > when I want to investigate a group I'm not already subscribed > > to. (I have a very short 'Subscribed' list -- so no need to > > search it.) > > > > So. I type alt.foo in the search widget, and then start reading > > alt.foo in the headers pane, and all is good. > > > > But, when I return to my usual 'subscribed' groups, the list > > of subscribed groups is blank -- because alt.foo is not in my > > list of subscribed groups, yet 'alt.foo' is still in the group- > > search widget. > > > > IMO, the group-search widget should be blanked out any time > > I return to the Groups Pane. My reason for searching for > > alt.foo is gone -- I've already found it and decided not to > > subscribe. > > > > Any contrary opinions? > > Nope, I concur with you, and, IMHO, it's a bug. > And I have to disagree, and instead agree with Darren's post - The above suggestion would prevent me from filtering my subscribed groups. Perhaps one possible solution is to have a search-term history dropdown, and a button to clear the current search selection. Steve From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 22 06:57:33 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQiir-0006DV-29 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 06:57:33 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQiip-0006Bx-9Q for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 06:57:31 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQiim-0006Az-9a for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 06:57:30 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQiim-0006Aw-5i for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 06:57:28 -0400 Received: from [195.188.213.7] (helo=smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQimU-0000J8-Am for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 07:01:18 -0400 Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQiik-000788-4E for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:57:26 +0100 Received: from [82.36.137.233] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQiig-0008UP-KR for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:57:22 +0100 From: Mike To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] One confusing thing about the 'group search' widget Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:58:42 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609221158.42294.mrh0@blueyonder.co.uk> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mh012a6946@blueyonder.co.uk, pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:57:31 -0000 On Friday 22 Sep 2006 01:32, walt wrote: > I know that, technically speaking, this problem is PEBKAC ;o) Que? > The only time I search for group names in the Group Pane is > when I want to investigate a group I'm not already subscribed > to. (I have a very short 'Subscribed' list -- so no need to > search it.) Likewise > IMO, the group-search widget should be blanked out any time > I return to the Groups Pane. Seconded. -- Mike From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 22 09:03:44 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQkgy-0004Lp-Dn for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:03:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQkgw-0004JT-Jl for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:03:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQkgt-0004Go-6T for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:03:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQkgt-0004Gi-25 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:03:39 -0400 Received: from [68.230.240.33] (helo=eastrmmtao06.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQkkc-0006ux-Lk for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:07:30 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060922130338.GPAM18839.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:03:38 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id RR3Y1V00m4amFmC0000000 Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:03:36 -0400 Message-ID: <4513DF23.3060407@rebelbase.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:03:31 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Memory Leak? References: <4512D2FA.5010800@charter.net> <45131B60.5090200@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <45131B60.5090200@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:03:43 -0000 fred wrote: > The previous problem was when I hit update all subscribed. If I update > just a.b.dvd I do get a crash after a while. Spits out: > GThread-ERROR **: file gthread-posix.c: line 353 (): error 'Cannot > allocate memory' during 'pthread_create' > aborting... > Aborted http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356834 reportedly fixes this. cheers, Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 22 10:45:24 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQmHM-0001t3-Bb for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:45:24 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQmHJ-0001mE-Cg for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:45:21 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQmHH-0001g3-9P for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:45:20 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQmHH-0001fe-0u for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:45:19 -0400 Received: from [205.152.59.67] (helo=imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQmL2-00054L-35 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:49:12 -0400 Received: from ibm60aec.bellsouth.net ([72.148.191.246]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060922144518.UAFP1156.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm60aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:45:18 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [72.148.191.246]) by ibm60aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060922144517.OYHA4490.ibm60aec.bellsouth.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:45:17 -0400 Message-ID: <4513F6FC.6030107@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:45:16 -0400 From: "Rinaldi J. Montessi" Organization: http://www.Federalist.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9a1) Gecko/20060912 SeaMonkey/1.5a MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: One confusing thing about the 'group search' widget References: <5caa9b870609220127h3b0f94a0qa88b25922bc79f36@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5caa9b870609220127h3b0f94a0qa88b25922bc79f36@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:45:22 -0000 Steve Davies wrote: > Perhaps one possible solution is to have a search-term history > dropdown, and a button to clear the current search selection. That I like. Rinaldi -- Enzymes are things invented by biologists that explain things which otherwise require harder thinking. -- Jerome Lettvin From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 22 14:13:53 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQpX7-0006cM-Hv for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:13:53 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQpX6-0006cD-1z for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:13:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQpX4-0006c1-Fj for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:13:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQpX4-0006by-BL for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:13:50 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQpaq-0001qK-Ta for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:17:45 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQpWT-0008AG-HV for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:13:13 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:13:13 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:13:13 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:12:48 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: FQDN and hostname X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:13:52 -0000 On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:26:59 +0000, Duncan wrote: [...] > The confusion is due to pan version. New-pan works quite differently than > old-pan in this regard. Thufir must still be using old (0.14.x) pan. > Indeed, a quick header check verifies that he is, 0.14.2.91. > > Thufir: The version you are using is no longer under development. [...] Curious, in that I installed via yum from FC5... In any event, thanks for the info :) -Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 22 16:16:49 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQrS5-0001hz-Ic for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:16:49 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQrS3-0001dn-H3 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:16:47 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQrS2-0001aS-01 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:16:47 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQrS1-0001a8-SN for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:16:45 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQrVp-0006Ae-QT for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:20:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 24333 invoked by uid 140); 22 Sep 2006 20:17:28 -0000 Received: from nat.nssl.noaa.gov (HELO ?172.16.20.18?) (charles@129.15.69.8) by rebelbase.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 20:17:28 -0000 Message-ID: <45144465.1000208@rebelbase.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:15:33 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: FQDN and hostname References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:16:47 -0000 walt wrote: > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:37:42 +0100, Thufir wrote: > > >> Is this a pan or leafnode problem? I'm fairly sure that pan is generating >> the message-id, when, perhaps, it's best left to leafnode...? > > Based on my quick tests just now, I'd say that pan is letting the server > generate the message ID. In my case, the MID reflects which server I'm > using to post. I'm posting this message thru gmane, so I would expect > that my MID for this message will indicate gmane, of course. > > Other opinions? Sounds right to me. I haven't added the fqdn feature back into the rewrite yet, though it's something I've been meaning to do since some people use that feature to watch their own threads. Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 22 16:19:40 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQrUq-0004a6-MQ for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:19:40 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQrUp-0004Zr-5m for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:19:39 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQrUn-0004Wo-Gl for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:19:38 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQrUn-0004Wh-9i for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:19:37 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQrYb-0006V6-84 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:23:33 -0400 Received: (qmail 24779 invoked by uid 140); 22 Sep 2006 20:20:21 -0000 Received: from nat.nssl.noaa.gov (HELO ?172.16.20.18?) (charles@129.15.69.8) by rebelbase.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 20:20:21 -0000 Message-ID: <45144512.2090109@rebelbase.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:18:26 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: FQDN and hostname References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:19:39 -0000 Thufir wrote: > On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:26:59 +0000, Duncan wrote: > [...] >> The confusion is due to pan version. New-pan works quite differently than >> old-pan in this regard. Thufir must still be using old (0.14.x) pan. >> Indeed, a quick header check verifies that he is, 0.14.2.91. >> >> Thufir: The version you are using is no longer under development. > [...] > > Curious, in that I installed via yum from FC5... Yeah, we don't get any respect from Fedora. I'm not actually sure we have project maintainer for Pan on Fedora Extras, but it would be nice, since we have one for most other big distros, and since Fedora's still (marginally) my distro of choice. ;) cheers, Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 22 19:38:01 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQuan-0002YK-Dz for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:38:01 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQuam-0002Y2-DI for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:38:00 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQuak-0002Xq-UC for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:38:00 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQuak-0002Xn-Q0 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:37:58 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQuea-00008v-Lm for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:41:56 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GQuaZ-0007Ev-Pg for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:37:47 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:37:47 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:37:47 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 23:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <200609221158.42294.mrh0@blueyonder.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: One confusing thing about the 'group search' widget X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 23:38:00 -0000 Mike posted 200609221158.42294.mrh0@blueyonder.co.uk, excerpted below, on Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:58:42 +0100: > On Friday 22 Sep 2006 01:32, walt wrote: >> I know that, technically speaking, this problem is PEBKAC ;o) > > Que? PEBKAC: Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair It's a humorous way of saying it's the user, not the program, at fault. OneLook (a source worth bookmarking on its own) lists a number of references: http://www.onelook.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/bware/dofind.cgi?word=pebkac -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 22 22:37:18 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQxOI-000153-Fk for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:37:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQxOH-00014y-7q for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:37:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQxOE-00014m-Qp for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:37:15 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQxOE-00014j-KI for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:37:14 -0400 Received: from [70.168.83.80] (helo=centrmmtao04.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQxS6-0005Wt-9I for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:41:14 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060923023711.BVKQ14774.centrmmtao04.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:37:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Rect1V00X4amFmC0000000 Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:36:53 -0400 Message-ID: <45149DD8.2050109@rebelbase.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:37:12 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] One confusing thing about the 'group search' widget References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 02:37:17 -0000 walt wrote: > I know that, technically speaking, this problem is PEBKAC ;o) > > However, I've been caught by this same irritation so many times > that I thought I'd invite other opinions. > > The only time I search for group names in the Group Pane is > when I want to investigate a group I'm not already subscribed > to. (I have a very short 'Subscribed' list -- so no need to > search it.) > > So. I type alt.foo in the search widget, and then start reading > alt.foo in the headers pane, and all is good. > > But, when I return to my usual 'subscribed' groups, the list > of subscribed groups is blank -- because alt.foo is not in my > list of subscribed groups, yet 'alt.foo' is still in the group- > search widget. > > IMO, the group-search widget should be blanked out any time > I return to the Groups Pane. My reason for searching for > alt.foo is gone -- I've already found it and decided not to > subscribe. > > Any contrary opinions? Yes. I think this is a bad idea: * It makes filtering subscribed groups impossible. * It makes it imposssible to visit more than one group per filter, since the filter resets when you return to the group pane. * It makes the group pane's entry field behave inconsistently with the header pane's entry field. * "returning to the group pane" only parses in tabbed mode. In three-pane mode, "return" likely means clicking on the group pane to give it focus. But if you're trying to find your subscribed groups to click on them, then you've still got the same problem _before_ you click/"return". It wouldn't make a good preferences option, either. ;) cheers, Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 22 22:46:44 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GQxXQ-0004CJ-00 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:46:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQxXN-000495-Rj for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:46:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GQxXM-00048L-Vj for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:46:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQxXM-00048F-NI for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:46:40 -0400 Received: from [68.230.240.34] (helo=eastrmmtao05.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQxbE-00068x-Cr for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:50:40 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060923024639.XITI7951.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:46:39 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id RemK1V00W4amFmC0000000 Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:46:20 -0400 Message-ID: <4514A00E.3030204@rebelbase.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:46:38 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: One confusing thing about the 'group search' widget References: <5caa9b870609220127h3b0f94a0qa88b25922bc79f36@mail.gmail.com> <4513F6FC.6030107@bellsouth.net> In-Reply-To: <4513F6FC.6030107@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 02:46:42 -0000 Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote: > Steve Davies wrote: > >> Perhaps one possible solution is to have a search-term history >> dropdown, and a button to clear the current search selection. > > That I like. But there's *already* a button to clear the current search selection. And a dropdown, while a nice idea, is hidden until clicked on, so that doesn't really clarify things, does it? Honestly, if the problem is that people get confused when they can't find their subscribed groups because of the filter, just changing "Subscribed" to "Subscribed (filtered)" is enough. Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 23 04:47:30 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GR3AY-0003j0-2s for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 04:47:30 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GR3AU-0003e2-Vk for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 04:47:27 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GR3AS-0003aN-Tp for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 04:47:25 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GR3AS-0003ZO-Fc for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 04:47:24 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GR3EN-00040q-F1 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 04:51:27 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GR3AK-0005G8-IO for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:47:16 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:47:16 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:47:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:30:36 +0100 Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <45144512.2090109@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Re: FQDN and hostname X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:47:28 -0000 On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:18:26 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: > Thufir wrote: >> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:26:59 +0000, Duncan wrote: >> [...] >>> The confusion is due to pan version. New-pan works quite differently than >>> old-pan in this regard. Thufir must still be using old (0.14.x) pan. >>> Indeed, a quick header check verifies that he is, 0.14.2.91. >>> >>> Thufir: The version you are using is no longer under development. >> [...] >> >> Curious, in that I installed via yum from FC5... > > Yeah, we don't get any respect from Fedora. I'm not actually sure > we have project maintainer for Pan on Fedora Extras, but it would > be nice, since we have one for most other big distros, and since > Fedora's still (marginally) my distro of choice. ;) > > cheers, > Charles Getting off topic now, but I find fedora crappy in many ways, this being, if not the epitome, then an example of the problem. I suppose it's not really a "fedora" issue, but a packaging issue. There are umpteen yum repositories, distributing n versions of the same thing, some of which are out of date, or conflict with other repositories, or there are a multitude of options for a simple thing... Why fedora can't simply copy, and maybe improve, gentoo e-builds, being, of course, an homage to the BSD port system, is a mystery to me. Pride? on topic: if I upgrade, or run two versions of pan, it won't make a difference because pan is just connecting to leafnode, yes? Things like, which messages are read, or not, or which groups are marked "subscribed", can that info carry over to the updated version of pan? The messages themselves are in leafnode, of course (as is the "interesting.groups" directory, which is related to the subscribed groups in pan). -Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 23 04:50:12 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GR3DA-0007LA-Ft for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 04:50:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GR3D8-0007H3-GW for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 04:50:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GR3D6-0007FY-L6 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 04:50:09 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GR3D6-0007F4-Aa for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 04:50:08 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GR3H1-0004NV-En for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 04:54:11 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GR3D3-0005rp-Hv for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:50:06 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:50:05 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:50:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:22:13 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <45144465.1000208@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Re: FQDN and hostname X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:50:11 -0000 On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:15:33 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: [...] > I haven't added the fqdn feature back into the rewrite yet, though > it's something I've been meaning to do since some people use that > feature to watch their own threads. > > Charles Since I'm using an old version, presumably I have this option. Can you provide some details? thanks, Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 23 08:48:10 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GR6vS-0004Y0-JB for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:48:10 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GR6vP-0004XS-3B for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:48:07 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GR6vM-0004XG-KH for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:48:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GR6vM-0004XD-F7 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:48:04 -0400 Received: from [205.152.59.71] (helo=imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GR6zK-00005h-1j for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:52:10 -0400 Received: from ibm66aec.bellsouth.net ([72.148.191.246]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060923124803.GJPY13564.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm66aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:48:03 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [72.148.191.246]) by ibm66aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060923124803.DRGH28021.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:48:03 -0400 Message-ID: <45152D01.8050908@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:48:01 -0400 From: "Rinaldi J. Montessi" Organization: http://www.Federalist.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9a1) Gecko/20060912 SeaMonkey/1.5a MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: One confusing thing about the 'group search' widget References: <5caa9b870609220127h3b0f94a0qa88b25922bc79f36@mail.gmail.com> <4513F6FC.6030107@bellsouth.net> <4514A00E.3030204@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <4514A00E.3030204@rebelbase.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:48:07 -0000 Charles Kerr wrote: > Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote: >> Steve Davies wrote: >> >>> Perhaps one possible solution is to have a search-term history >>> dropdown, and a button to clear the current search selection. >> >> That I like. > > But there's *already* a button to clear the current search selection. > And a dropdown, while a nice idea, is hidden until clicked on, > so that doesn't really clarify things, does it? Right church, wrong pew. I was thinking of the search on subject/author when I wrote my comment regarding a dropdown list. Rinaldi -- Let He who taketh the Plunge Remember to return it by Tuesday. From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 23 09:05:18 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GR7C2-0002RS-Ha for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:05:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GR7C0-0002Mw-Vm for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:05:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GR7Bz-0002Hq-I7 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:05:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GR7Bz-0002Hi-AJ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:05:15 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GR7Fw-0001mO-RP for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:09:21 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GR7Bn-0004Pj-1V for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:05:03 +0200 Received: from cac94-1-81-57-151-96.fbx.proxad.net ([81.57.151.96]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:05:03 +0200 Received: from castet.matthieu by cac94-1-81-57-151-96.fbx.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:05:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Matthieu CASTET" Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 12 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cac94-1-81-57-151-96.fbx.proxad.net User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] smtp server X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:05:17 -0000 Hi, with new version of pan (0.113) I am not able to reply by newgroup and mail : - I don't find where to configure my smtp server - If I put a mail address in Mail To field nothing is sent to this address Any idea how I can use the Mail to field ? Thanks Matthieu From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 23 09:23:12 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GR7TM-00045j-I8 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:23:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GR7TL-00045e-FX for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:23:11 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GR7TI-000438-Sz for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:23:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GR7TI-00042q-Pr for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:23:08 -0400 Received: from [195.188.213.6] (helo=smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GR7XG-0002zo-QP for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:27:14 -0400 Received: from [172.23.170.145] (helo=anti-virus03-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GR7TH-00023h-2X for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:23:07 +0100 Received: from [82.36.137.233] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GR7S5-0000f1-EI for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:21:53 +0100 From: Mike To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: One confusing thing about the 'group search' widget Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:23:17 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <200609221158.42294.mrh0@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609231423.17141.mrh0@blueyonder.co.uk> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mh012a6946@blueyonder.co.uk, pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:23:11 -0000 On Saturday 23 Sep 2006 00:37, Duncan wrote: > PEBKAC: =C2=A0Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair > It's a humorous way of saying it's the user, not the program, at fault. Thanks, Duncan. I knew it had to be along those lines, but I just couldn't = fit=20 a suitable phrase to the acronym. > OneLook (a source worth bookmarking on its own) lists a number of > references: > > http://www.onelook.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/bware/dofind.cgi?word=3Dpebkac Thanks, I'll bookmark that one. I used to have a list of acronyms around he= re=20 but it got tidied up some time ago. =2D-=20 Mike From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 23 10:56:20 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GR8vU-0006PP-5B for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:56:20 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GR8vR-0006Io-SZ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:56:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GR8vO-0006DY-AJ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:56:17 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GR8vO-0006DV-5d for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:56:14 -0400 Received: from [64.233.162.207] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GR8zN-00036j-0C for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:00:21 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so637567nzf for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 07:56:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LHdl/Fu8XwPn33YFt4dGOtKodyZfDVnkQN8CaEIqKT7YurKvYo2m667hu2fUurxNLfXzYKcFN4dzvIPJRUdzOzr2wJfVPPPq+uMoSloasqU54y0vnX9Vp7W4TQf1qtoAmMev85hdBd/EqgpghIDUz1wCZEyyFJfXLDG46Xi8ZKU= Received: by 10.65.126.16 with SMTP id d16mr2036318qbn; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 07:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.233.1 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 07:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:56:12 +0200 From: "Frederic Bezies" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] smtp server In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:56:18 -0000 2006/9/23, Matthieu CASTET : > Hi, Salut :) Answer in both english and french ;) > > with new version of pan (0.113) I am not able to reply by newgroup and > mail : > - I don't find where to configure my smtp server English : Mail is related to your mail client. So, you have to configure it in your mail client. See Edit / Preferences / Applications. French : Le courrier est en relation avec ton client courrier. Pour le configurer, il faut voir avec le client courrier. Cf Edition / Pr=E9f=E9rences / Applications > - If I put a mail address in Mail To field nothing is sent to this addres= s > Gnnn ? > Any idea how I can use the Mail to field ? > English : It is used automatically when answering by mail, or am I wrong ? French : c'est utilis=E9 automatiquement pour les r=E9ponses par courrier, = non ? > Thanks > ;) > Matthieu > --=20 Frederic Bezies fredbezies@gmail.com From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 23 13:43:32 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GRBXH-0001JV-Uq for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:43:32 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GRBXH-0001J6-55 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:43:31 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GRBXG-0001Ih-EX for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:43:30 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GRBXG-0001Ic-A8 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:43:30 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GRBbG-0001Z2-FE for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:47:38 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GRBWy-0004Qx-CW for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:43:12 +0200 Received: from cac94-1-81-57-151-96.fbx.proxad.net ([81.57.151.96]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:43:12 +0200 Received: from castet.matthieu by cac94-1-81-57-151-96.fbx.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:43:12 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Matthieu CASTET" Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cac94-1-81-57-151-96.fbx.proxad.net User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: smtp server X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:43:31 -0000 On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:56:12 +0200, Frederic Bezies wrote: > 2006/9/23, Matthieu CASTET > : >> Hi, > > Salut :) > Re, > Answer in both english and french ;) > Merci. >> with new version of pan (0.113) I am not able to reply by newgroup and >> mail : >> - I don't find where to configure my smtp server > > English : Mail is related to your mail client. So, you have to configure > it in your mail client. See Edit / Preferences / Applications. > What mail client should I use : - unix mail failed [1] - mutt not always works (if there is quoted text, the mail body is empty). - I don't know which command to use for mozilla and how to chose a profile for sending to mail. Matthieu [1] A message that you sent contained a recipient address that was incorrectly constructed: mailto:adress_mail?From=adress_mail%3e&Subject=Re%3a%20smtp%20server&References=%3cef3b7a%24fbi%241%40sea.gmane.org%3e&%3cda24b53c0609230756l2971725bj9c05c43fe6f09f5%40mail.gmail.com%3e=&MIME-Version=1.0&Content-Transfer-Encoding=8bit&body=On%20Sat%2c%2023%20Sep%202006%2016%3a56%3a12%20%2b0200%2c%20Frederic%20Bezies%20wrote%3a%0a%0a%3e%202006%2f9%2f23%2c%20Matthieu%20CASTET%20%3ccastet.matthieu-GANU6spQydw%40public.gmane.org%3e%3a%0a%3e%3e%20Hi%2c%0a%3e%20%0a%3e%20Salut%20%3a%29%0a%3e%20%0a%3e%20Answer%20in%20both%20english%20and%20french%20%3b%29%0a%3e%20%0a%3e%3e%0a%3e%3e%20with%20new%20version%20of%20pan%20%280.113%29%20I%20am%20not%20able%20to%20reply%20by%20newgroup%20and%0a%3e%3e%20mail%20%3a%0a%3e%3e%20-%20I%20don't%20find%20where%20to%20configure%20my%20smtp%20server%0a%3e%20%0a%3e%20English%20%3a%20Mail%20is%20related%20to%20your%20mail%20client.%20So%2c%20you%20have%20to%0a%3e%20configure%20it%20in%20your%20mail%20client.%20See%20Edit%20%2f%20Preferences%20%2f%0a%3e%20Applications.%0a%3e%20%0a%3e%20French%20%3a%20Le%20courrier%20est%20en%20relation%20avec%20ton%20client%20courrier.%20Pour%20le%0a%3e%20configurer%2c%20il%20faut%20voir%20avec%20le%20client%20courrier.%20Cf%20Edition%20%2f%0a%3e%20Pr%ffffff%fffffff%ffffff%ffffffrences%20%2f%20Applications%0a%3e%20%0a%3e%3e%20-%20If%20I%20put%20a%20mail%20address%20in%20Mail%20To%20field%20nothing%20is%20sent%20to%20this%20address%0a%3e%3e%0a%3e%20%0a%3e%20Gnnn%20%3f%0a%3e%20%0a%3e%3e%20Any%20idea%20how%20I%20can%20use%20the%20Mail%20to%20field%20%3f%0a%3e%3e%0a%3e%20%0a%3e%20English%20%3a%20It%20is%20used%20automatically%20when%20answering%20by%20mail%2c%20or%20am%20I%20wrong%20%3f%0a%3e%20French%20%3a%20c'est%20utilis%ffffff%ffffff%20automatiquement%20pour%20les%20r%ffffff%ffffffponses%20par%20courrier%2c%20non%20%3f%0a%3e%20%0a%3e%3e%20Thanks%0a%3e%3e%0a%3e%20%0a%3e%20%3b%29%0a%3e%20%0a%3e%3e%20Matthieu%0a%3e%3e%0a%3e%20%0a%3e%20%0a%3e%0a%0asdfsdfsd%0asdffsdf missing or malformed local part (expected word or "<") The message has not been delivered to any recipients. From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 23 14:11:29 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GRByL-00063u-FT for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:11:29 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GRByJ-00063b-UP for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:11:27 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GRByH-000636-RB for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:11:26 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GRByH-00062u-JL for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:11:25 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GRC2I-0004Dc-Bb for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:15:34 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GRBy6-0002A6-8S for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:11:15 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:11:14 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:11:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 18:11:09 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: smtp server X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 18:11:28 -0000 "Frederic Bezies" posted da24b53c0609230756l2971725bj9c05c43fe6f09f5@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:56:12 +0200: >> Any idea how I can use the Mail to field ? >> > English : It is used automatically when answering by mail, or am I wrong ? The way pan handles the mailto header changed recently. Let's see if I can find the bug... [Bug 352014] An icon for "reply to author" ? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352014 A summary is as follows: The original bug was because reply to author had the same icon as followup to newsgroup. The reporter found himself repeatedly hitting the wrong one, sending mail to the individual when a reply to group was intended. Charles' observation was that it was a problem, but the larger problem was one of finding a suitable icon. He suggested it be discussed on this list/group, which it was. Based on the heads-up here, I commented on the bug that from my perspective, there really needn't be a toolbar button for that function in any case. By definition, a poster posting to a public group should expect responses to be directed to the group. There's a replyto: header that can be used to redirect the default to the poster's own mail rather than the group, if desired. Additionally, no matter which function, reply to poster or reply to group, is chosen, both the newsgroups and mailto headers appear in the post article dialog and can be filled out if desired. My preference was to remove the reply to poster from the toolbar entirely, to gently encourage posting to the group, tho I didn't expect everyone would like the solution and as such didn't really expect my idea to be used. Charles (a bit to my surprise ) liked the idea and the reply to poster toolbar button is no more, tho he mentioned GNKSA required the function remain (regardless of the fact that the field is there anyway, to be filled out if desired), as it does in the menu. So... reply by mail to poster remains on the menu (and thus remains a function users can assign a customized keyboard accel to if desired), and can be activated in any case by filling out the appropriate field in the post article dialog. As for getting pan to do the right thing when the field is filled in, you are absolutely correct. Pan hands off to the configured mail client (pan preferences, application tab, as you noted). Thus, if that setting isn't correctly configured, it'll go nowhere. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 23 15:37:07 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GRDJD-0002Qy-T0 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:37:07 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GRDJC-0002QK-QV for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:37:06 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GRDJB-0002Px-A4 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:37:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GRDJB-0002Pt-2z for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:37:05 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GRDNC-0002rv-2W for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:41:14 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GRDIu-00016B-MR for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:36:48 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:36:48 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:36:48 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 156 Message-ID: References: <45144512.2090109@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: FQDN and hostname X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:37:06 -0000 Thufir posted pan.2006.09.23.08.30.35.736410@arrakis.homelinux.org, excerpted below, on Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:30:36 +0100: > [Off topic] Why fedora can't simply copy, and maybe improve, gentoo > e-builds, being, of course, an homage to the BSD port system, is a > mystery to me. Pride? FWIW... I'm a Gentooer myself, so I obviously think it's the best solution for me. =8^) However, I recognize that compiling from source isn't everybody's idea of fun, or what they want to spend their time on, and indeed, that for users with a single core/cpu of less than say 2 GHz, it'd be a rather huge burden, both for the time compiling and the fact that a single core simply can't multitask as efficiently as two or more, so for such a user there WILL be a major tradeoff in terms of time spent keeping the system updated. The problem is, and I didn't really understand the full implications of this until I had spent some time on Gentoo and could actually /see/ them, once one decides to go with a primarily binary (that is, upstream compiled) solution, HUGE compromises must be made in terms of dependency flexibility vs. supported options. Where compile time choices must be made in what one supports and therefore what one depends on, no matter WHICH way one goes, there are serious tradeoffs. Either one supports all sorts of stuff but ends up bringing in all sorts of bloat for those that don't use it all -- and few actually use it /all/, the problem is the part that gets used depends on the deployment, or one seriously limits support for optional features by choosing not to depend on them and thereby not to have that bloat. There's no single right answer, nor /can/ there be. Gentoo's answer is to leave the compiling to the end user/sysadmin, who can then choose his own balance on the continuum between lean but spartan and supporting everything but hugely bloated. However, that has its own tradeoffs, namely all the time spent compiling by all those end users, vs centralizing the compiling (and the dependency/support choices). That's why you don't normally see a binary distribution choose to support KDE and GNOME equally. They standardize on one or the other, building in full support for it, and for the other, omit some of the advanced support and the dependencies it would require. Even that is incredibly bloated however, for end users who choose say xfce, and even worse for those running servers or whatever who don't want X installed at all. It's simply impossible to be all things to all people, so the distributions specialize. That's a /good/ thing, and remains a /good/ thing whether you agree with the specialization of an individual distribution or not, because there are bound to be other choices out there better matching your specific needs! =8^) So... we have Fedora, which as with many distributions, has chosen to target the primarily binary installing end user. It's certainly a legitimate choice, but as with any alternative at that level, it comes with its own set of costs as well as benefits. The biggest of these costs is that by definition of being a binary distribution, it limits itself to a particular feature set and emphasis in terms of what it chooses to support. However, Fedora being quite popular, it has developed an entire ecosystem of alternative repositories, each emphasizing its own angle, if you don't happen to like the particular angle Fedora main and extra has chosen to implement. By definition, some of these repositories will be incompatible with others, due to their differing emphasis leading to different compile-time choices and therefore differing dependencies. That's just the way things are -- there's no way around it except by going the Gentoo route and leaving all those choices along with the job of doing all that compiling, to the end user sysadmin, and that choice as well has serious negatives. Fedora /could/ copy and possibly improve on Gentoo and the BSD ports system. However, that would either be an exercise in futility, if they tried to retain their primary prebuilt binary focus, or would be a /dramatic/ change from what RH/Fedora had done traditionally, with a switch to a source based, compiled at the end user end, focus. I don't believe most Fedora users would want the latter, or they'd already be Gentoo users, not Fedora users, right now. Indeed off topic, but perhaps it'll enable a better understanding of the dynamics of this particular part of the FLOSS ecosystem, for more than just one person on the list. > on topic: if I upgrade, or run two versions of pan, it won't make a > difference because pan is just connecting to leafnode, yes? > > Things like, which messages are read, or not, or which groups are marked > "subscribed", can that info carry over to the updated version of pan? > The messages themselves are in leafnode, of course (as is the > "interesting.groups" directory, which is related to the subscribed > groups in pan). It depends on the versions you have in mind. Old-pan, 0.14.x, and new-pan, >=0.90, use entirely different directories by default, which is a good thing since their configuration files are quite different. Thus, you can run them in parallel with no interference, but no, they won't be picking up each other's settings, including each other's tracking of read messages (except if you directly enable that, see below). With two versions of new-pan, >=0.90, it's possible to run separate directories as well, if desired, setting the $PAN_HOME variable separately for each, but I'm not sure why one would /want/ to run two different new-pan versions. Either the latest works and one will want to run it, or it doesn't for some reason, and one wants to stick with a slightly older version until the problem is resolved. (OTOH, the separate dirs ability comes in handy for running separate instances of the same pan version, say one for binaries and one for text, if desired. That's one way of working around pan's inability to categorize and group newsgroups. It also allows one to have different binary group settings, say a larger cache and different expiration, than for text groups.) As for the differences between old-pan and new-pan configurations, similar and partially compatible formats are used in some cases, but not all. In particular, the score file and newsrcs are similar. For the score file, new-pan is stricter in the slrn format than old-pan was, as old-pan allowed the xnews variant format while new-pan doesn't so much. Specifically, slrn (and new-pan) treat newsgroup matching in the score file as * wildcard type, while xnews treated them as regular expressions. Old-pan tried to figure out which was being used and match accordingly, a strategy that's certainly going to be complex and fraught with the possibility of misinterpretation. The one xnews thing that new-pan retains is case insensitivity, where slrn's score format is case sensitive both in the regex matches and the newsgroup/*-wildcard matches, xnews and pan (both old and new) are case insensitive by default. Thus, if you used regex newsgroup matching in your old-pan scorefile (as I did), you'll have to redo it for new-pan. That isn't all bad, however, as I took the opportunity to reorganize and drastically simplify my scorefile. It now has only six scores in two sections, according to the pan event log, altho both the scores and the sections are compound -- multiple individual matching tests per entry. Scorefile documentation resources (see the xnews one for how to make the regex matching case sensitive if desired, otherwise, pay more attention to the slrn one): slrn: http://www.slrn.org/docs/score.txt xnews: http://xnews.remarqs.net/scoring.txt The newsrc file format is I believe unchanged, but new-pan uses different filenames. Symlinking (or simply copying/moving it over if you are switching, not intending to run both) should work, however, tho I'd ensure I had backups during initial testing in case the newsrc for one server gets accidentally used for a different one, and therefore screwed up. I /think/ the cache is the same format, but I'm not sure on that and didn't try using the same cache here, so can't verify it. The accels.txt is a similar format, but of course with different entries, so don't try to share it between old and new pan. Most other files are different. Certainly the tasks list is different, as the new format is simply an nzb file. The preferences file like accels.txt is a similar format (xml based) but with enough different settings I'd not try to copy it over. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 23 17:22:27 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GREx9-0003y0-K9 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:22:27 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GREx7-0003xr-TU for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:22:25 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GREx7-0003xR-AA for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:22:25 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GREx7-0003xO-5U for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:22:25 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GRF19-0003YW-Hz for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:26:35 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GREws-0003sm-2C for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:22:10 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:22:10 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:22:10 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:21:45 +0100 Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <45144512.2090109@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: FQDN and hostname X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:22:26 -0000 On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:36:31 +0000, Duncan wrote: [...] > FWIW... I'm a Gentooer myself, so I obviously think it's the best solution > for me. =8^) However, I recognize that compiling from source isn't > everybody's idea of fun, or what they want to spend their time on, and > indeed, that for users with a single core/cpu of less than say 2 GHz, it'd > be a rather huge burden, both for the time compiling and the fact that a > single core simply can't multitask as efficiently as two or more, so for > such a user there WILL be a major tradeoff in terms of time spent keeping > the system updated. > > The problem is, and I didn't really understand the full implications of > this until I had spent some time on Gentoo and could actually /see/ them, > once one decides to go with a primarily binary (that is, upstream > compiled) solution, HUGE compromises must be made in terms of dependency > flexibility vs. supported options. Where compile time choices must be > made in what one supports and therefore what one depends on, no matter > WHICH way one goes, there are serious tradeoffs. Either one supports all > sorts of stuff but ends up bringing in all sorts of bloat for those that > don't use it all -- and few actually use it /all/, the problem is the part > that gets used depends on the deployment, or one seriously limits support > for optional features by choosing not to depend on them and thereby not to > have that bloat. There's no single right answer, nor /can/ there be. [...] There's and which take almost the reverse of what I proposed, but with a similar outcome (just came across these today, perusing c.o.l.a.). They marry the fedora installer, anaconda, with gentoo package management! I found it ridiculous that gentoo took, IIRC, 24+hrs to install. For small things, like telnet, sure, compiling from source is fine. For others, as you specify, it's probably not a good thing for the vast majority. OTOH, large packages, like office, are compiled infrequently. Gentoo can do e-builds with binaries, such as the sun JRE. At least one of the above distros, there's a third, too, mentions binary e-builds for gnome and/or office :) Gentoo itself does offer various binary workarounds to installing, from tarballs if memory serves, or from cd-rom, but I found it intimidating, with the tarballs, and my cd might've been corrupt. -Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 23 19:42:24 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GRH8Z-0006QP-Nu for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:42:23 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GRH8X-0006PU-Un for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:42:22 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GRH8W-0006Op-Cg for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:42:20 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GRH8W-0006Of-5b for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:42:20 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GRHCZ-0005fE-Tv for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:46:32 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GRH8L-00051a-Ex for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 01:42:09 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 01:42:09 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 01:42:09 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <45144512.2090109@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.113 (0.113 is one of Nakata's favorites) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: FQDN and hostname X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:42:22 -0000 Thufir posted pan.2006.09.23.21.21.45.326257@arrakis.homelinux.org, excerpted below, on Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:21:45 +0100: > Gentoo itself does offer various binary workarounds to installing, from > tarballs if memory serves, or from cd-rom, but I found it intimidating, > with the tarballs, and my cd might've been corrupt. Yes, Gentoo does offer what it calls GRP, the Gentoo Reference Project, which offers precompiled packages in tar.bz2 format (with a bit of extra package manager metadata tacked on the end). In fact, one feature offered by portage is buildpkg, which causes portage to archive a bin-pkg version of whatever it builds. I have that enabled here, and regularly use it both for backup and restore and for troubleshooting occasional problems with new packages, since it's then very easy to rollback to an old version, see if the problem existed there, then back forward again if desired, without having to recompile anything since I already have the once-compiled binpkgs. The problem with using the GRP, however, and the reason I didn't mention it earlier, is that it kills all the advantages of compiling from source, including the one under discussion. All those prebuilt packages by definition were built with preconfigured USE flags and thus preconfigured dependencies, so again, it's out of the user's hands -- they end up having to take the dependency set that upstream decided was the best default for their target user. Additionally, and here's the /big/ problem with a user simply choosing the all-GRP route on Gentoo, GRP releases are normally only made in parallel to LiveCD/Installer releases, generally twice a year, no more. GRP PACKAGES ARE NOT UPDATED FOR SECURITY VULNS!! That's fine for Gentoo, as they are only supposed to be used as an installation jump-start. It's ASSUMED that once installation is complete, the immediate next steps will be an emerge --sync and an emerge --update world (naturally with a --pretend thrown in their before the live update world, to see what's going to happen). Thus, after installation, everything is assumed to be updated using normal Gentoo compile from source methods. It's therefore a BIG mistake for someone to ONLY use the GRP, and then wait until the next release and a new GRP to update. The result, therefore, is that if someone's going to use GRP for anything more than a quick installation boost, they are far better off going with a conventional binary distribution. Thus, unless you want to deal with routine compiling from source, back to Fedora or whatever binary distribution it is! Gentoo package management is one thing, but unless you are going to do the entire from source thing (at least after initial installation), it doesn't get you very far. The problem is in the nature of the choice to go prebuilt binary, not so much in the nature of the package manager. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Sep 24 00:52:49 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GRLyz-0002L5-O5 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 00:52:49 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GRLyx-0002Ka-8z for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 00:52:47 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GRLyv-0002KL-IK for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 00:52:46 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GRLyv-0002KI-DC for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 00:52:45 -0400 Received: from [70.168.83.78] (helo=centrmmtao06.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GRM32-0003yE-7h for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 00:57:00 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060924045242.YEGM17338.centrmmtao06.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 00:52:42 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id S4sg1V00D4amFmC0000000 Sun, 24 Sep 2006 00:52:40 -0400 Message-ID: <45160F19.6080502@rebelbase.com> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:52:41 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: smtp server References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 04:52:48 -0000 Matthieu CASTET wrote: >>> with new version of pan (0.113) I am not able to reply by newgroup and >>> mail : >>> - I don't find where to configure my smtp server >> English : Mail is related to your mail client. So, you have to configure >> it in your mail client. See Edit / Preferences / Applications. >> > What mail client should I use : > - unix mail failed [1] > - mutt not always works (if there is quoted text, the mail body is empty). > - I don't know which command to use for mozilla and how to chose a profile > for sending to mail. You'll need a reasonably modern mail client. Anything that handles mailto: urls should do fine. Evolution, KMail, and Thunderbird all fit the bill, as do a few others. Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 01:10:15 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GS5Cw-0000Km-SZ for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:10:14 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GS5Cv-0000KG-S0 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:10:13 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GS5Ct-0000K2-Tk for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:10:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GS5Cp-0000Jh-EU; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:10:07 -0400 Received: from [68.230.240.36] (helo=eastrmmtao03.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GS5HO-0007VA-D2; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:14:50 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060926051002.HDVC23863.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net>; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:10:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id St9x1V0044amFmC0000000 Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:09:59 -0400 Message-ID: <4518B626.4050209@rebelbase.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 00:09:58 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org, pan-announce@nongnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 05:10:14 -0000 September 25, 2006 - Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" This is "weekly" beta #25(!) of a full Pan redesign and rewrite in C++. The quick turnaround time between each beta is to squash as many bugs as possible before the pending 1.0 release. Feedback and bug reports are very much encouraged. Thanks to everyone whose suggestions were used in this release: Axion, Kevin Brammer, Artur Jachacy, Christpohe Lambin, Robert Marshall, Flammie Pirinen, and George Sherwood. Honorable mention: valgrind. Bug tickets addressed in this release: http://tinyurl.com/locpt 356805 fix 0.112 - 0.113 lockups. 356834 crash: Cannot allocate memory during pthread_create 356023 can't read an article with [XX/XX] in the subject 357236 save another 3MB from startup overhead. 356798 save another 2MB from startup overhead. 357744 wasted space: classes w/no subclasses have virtual methods 357073 uninitialized memory errors in body pane. 357698 new followups mangled quoted non-UTF-8 text. 356835 display utf-7 text correctly. 356838 pan commandline not closing after ctrl-c. 357230 simleys (emoticons) break links 356827 delete attachment when deleting article cheers, Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 01:15:31 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GS5I3-0002vc-M9 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:15:31 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GS5I1-0002sW-8s for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:15:29 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GS5Hz-0002pn-C1 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:15:28 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GS5Hz-0002pd-5Q for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:15:27 -0400 Received: from [70.168.83.79] (helo=centrmmtao05.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GS5MY-00083A-9j for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:20:10 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060926051526.ESTB8328.centrmmtao05.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:15:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id StFM1V00P4amFmC0000000 Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:15:23 -0400 Message-ID: <4518B76B.4060504@rebelbase.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 00:15:23 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org References: <4518B626.4050209@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <4518B626.4050209@rebelbase.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Pan-users] Re: [Pan-announce] ANN: Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 05:15:29 -0000 Charles Kerr wrote: > Thanks to everyone whose suggestions were used in this release: > Axion, Kevin Brammer, Artur Jachacy, Christpohe Lambin, Robert Marshall, > Flammie Pirinen, and George Sherwood. Honorable mention: valgrind. That's "Christophe", of course, not Christpohe. :) From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 02:13:56 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GS6CZ-0007Zv-G9 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:13:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GS6CX-0007Zo-91 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:13:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GS6CV-0007ZZ-PO for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:13:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GS6CV-0007ZW-Jv for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:13:51 -0400 Received: from [66.249.92.168] (helo=ug-out-1314.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GS6H5-0004Nr-9O for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:18:35 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j40so535724ugd for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:13:50 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=t5JRqzuxds3P2vNkaH59luFlDfYFZuctPiPcruM/9oiU7lP/fr/bhZ5MVZhs07ir8sBedXJNMHCA+6EzR91Qe5dlIRGvdrp3GBav/W5Ofupu+PsuEGk5DzO3GcGi7lt8KYfIvk2wvDXw3/YzWXy9K2e64cKq/a9zWyQ1kbir8B4= Received: by 10.67.101.10 with SMTP id d10mr337047ugm; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.102? ( [82.125.193.173]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k30sm2821911ugc.2006.09.25.23.13.49; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4518C51B.3090008@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:13:47 +0200 From: Frederic Bezies User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1 (X11/20060925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: [Pan-announce] ANN: Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" References: <4518B626.4050209@rebelbase.com> <4518B76B.4060504@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <4518B76B.4060504@rebelbase.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 06:13:53 -0000 Le 26.09.2006 07:16, Charles Kerr a écrit : > Charles Kerr wrote: > >> Thanks to everyone whose suggestions were used in this release: >> Axion, Kevin Brammer, Artur Jachacy, Christpohe Lambin, Robert Marshall, >> Flammie Pirinen, and George Sherwood. Honorable mention: valgrind. > > That's "Christophe", of course, not Christpohe. :) > Thanks for the info. Is it me or this changelog is very short ? Can we think next step is 1.0rc1 ? ;) -- Frederic Bezies - fredbezies@gmail.com From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 03:52:38 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GS7k6-0002mo-Gk for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 03:52:38 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GS7k4-0002mi-6I for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 03:52:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GS7k3-0002mW-3i for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 03:52:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GS7k2-0002mT-UQ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 03:52:35 -0400 Received: from [64.233.166.178] (helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GS7od-0004l1-9C for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 03:57:19 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so2769748pye for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 00:52:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=bPj6fhAwwkkCqSlub0FvByDOsdV3JIvHjFdqoWbxihFiIClCLuPt7BDzYkWSq6E4JPWyrlgwzRa+2FP7mGCjjuH8DhfM3HEm7yWu4Bhperp2avowmPZmZEKc8AgREQz20+f8foFaFLNTdFsbjt8St76YrG5T1kv5Qg/ynCG2kV8= Received: by 10.65.83.18 with SMTP id k18mr2604425qbl; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 00:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.73.18 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 00:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52dac3020609260052j6d492dacu47fa4e527588f53b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 00:52:33 -0700 From: "Brian Costello" To: pan-users@nongnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_780_6276665.1159257153384" Subject: [Pan-users] Pan 0.113 [Windows] - going online doesn't restart xfer + fanmail X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:52:36 -0000 ------=_Part_780_6276665.1159257153384 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have been using Pan for the last couple months or so, upgrading once every few weeks (whenever a new Windows build would appear). I've only ever had a few problems, and they were always reported in Bugizlla, most notably the issue around downloaded articles getting "stuck" at around 99%. Restarting the client always fixed that issue. It was worst with 0.111, then got a lot better (but not completely) in 0.112. However, after using this version for 4 or 5 days and attempting to get it to "break" similarly, I think I can say that the problem has been solved (at least on Windows). Woo hoo! The only weirdness I've seen with this version is as follows: I started a download of a 60-70 part binary. For the first time ever, I got a message in the event logs about going over my connection limit. I am fairly certain this had nothing to do with pan - netstat didn't show any established connections to my news server, and my firewall didn't have the connections in its state table. Pan nicely took my client offline, an action which certainly made a lot of sense. However, when I went back online, nothing happened - the transfer didn't start back up, despite having over 50 parts queued (I was sniffing the traffic to make sure that it wasn't trying then failing very quickly). I tried a few things before finding that requesting a header update started things up again. I'd imagine that any addition to the task queue would do the same. As I said, I doubt the first part is actually an issue with Pan, but I thought I'd throw it out there, just in case someone else just started seeing this issue with 0.113. My provider is Astra, and it was an issue with their American servers (which I mention just in case it was a problem across Astra's American servers, and another user was hit by it). If someone on a different server just started seeing similar problems, then maybe it's worth noting; otherwise, I'd write it off as a server-side problem unrelated to Pan. As for the other "issue" (going online and having to queue something to re-start the queue), that certainly SEEMS like a minor bug, or a questionable design decision. IMO, the transfer should start up when I go back online. Maybe if I'd waited a few minutes, it would've started up all by itself. Other than this very minor "issue", this version has been rock solid!! And since this is my first post to this list, I'd just like to thank everyone who's helped to make this one fantastic news reader, as well as the folks who have been providing WIndows builds extremely quickly. There are many things I love about Pan - it has a simple but powerful interface, it seems very efficient memory-wise, and groups are loaded extremely quickly on my PC (as opposed to other newsreaders, where it can take ages). >From my point of view, the nicest thing of all has been the effort Charles has put into the frequent releases. Plenty of open source projects post snapshots, but they're always wrapped in disclaimers (this may not build, this may cause permanent damage, do not use, etc) - and often for good reason. Other projects don't even do that - if you want a development version, it's often "get it from CVS". Instead of going with that model, Charles has managed to put together what's usually at least a beta quality release every week or so, each version has shown a marked improvement in some area, they've all been usable, and none of the releases have corrupted my settings. There is no question that this project is getting worked on all the time, and for that I'm extremely grateful. Thank you very much for all of the time & effort you've put into this project - I can't wait for v1.0 :) Sincerely, Brian Costello ------=_Part_780_6276665.1159257153384 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have been using Pan for the last couple months or so, upgrading once every few weeks (whenever a new Windows build would appear).  I've only ever had a few problems, and they were always reported in Bugizlla, most notably the issue around downloaded articles getting "stuck" at around 99%.  Restarting the client always fixed that issue.  It was worst with 0.111, then got a lot better (but not completely) in 0.112.  However, after using this version for 4 or 5 days and attempting to get it to "break" similarly, I think I can say that the problem has been solved (at least on Windows).  Woo hoo!

The only weirdness I've seen with this version is as follows: I started a download of a 60-70 part binary.  For the first time ever, I got a message in the event logs about going over my connection limit.  I am fairly certain this had nothing to do with pan - netstat didn't show any established connections to my news server, and my firewall didn't have the connections in its state table.  Pan nicely took my client offline, an action which certainly made a lot of sense.  However, when I went back online, nothing happened - the transfer didn't start back up, despite having over 50 parts queued (I was sniffing the traffic to make sure that it wasn't trying then failing very quickly).  I tried a few things before finding that requesting a header update started things up again.  I'd imagine that any addition to the task queue would do the same.

As I said, I doubt the first part is actually an issue with Pan, but I thought I'd throw it out there, just in case someone else just started seeing this issue with 0.113.  My provider is Astra, and it was an issue with their American servers (which I mention just in case it was a problem across Astra's American servers, and another user was hit by it).  If someone on a different server just started seeing similar problems, then maybe it's worth noting; otherwise, I'd write it off as a server-side problem unrelated to Pan.

As for the other "issue" (going online and having to queue something to re-start the queue), that certainly SEEMS like a minor bug, or a questionable design decision.  IMO, the transfer should start up when I go back online.  Maybe if I'd waited a few minutes, it would've started up all by itself.

Other than this very minor "issue", this version has been rock solid!!

And since this is my first post to this list, I'd just like to thank everyone who's helped to make this one fantastic news reader, as well as the folks who have been providing WIndows builds extremely quickly.  There are many things I love about Pan - it has a simple but powerful interface, it seems very efficient memory-wise, and groups are loaded extremely quickly on my PC (as opposed to other newsreaders, where it can take ages).

From my point of view, the nicest thing of all has been the effort Charles has put into the frequent releases.  Plenty of open source projects post snapshots, but they're always wrapped in disclaimers (this may not build, this may cause permanent damage, do not use, etc) - and often for good reason.  Other projects don't even do that - if you want a development version, it's often "get it from CVS".  Instead of going with that model, Charles has managed to put together what's usually at least a beta quality release every week or so, each version has shown a marked improvement in some area, they've all been usable, and none of the releases have corrupted my settings.  There is no question that this project is getting worked on all the time, and for that I'm extremely grateful.  Thank you very much for all of the time & effort you've put into this project - I can't wait for v1.0 :)

Sincerely,
Brian Costello

------=_Part_780_6276665.1159257153384-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 04:28:00 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GS8IK-0007qf-Ps for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:28:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GS8IJ-0007qU-DR for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:27:59 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GS8IH-0007qB-GI for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:27:59 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GS8IH-0007q7-Bk for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:27:57 -0400 Received: from [195.188.213.7] (helo=smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GS8Ms-0007mL-1J for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:32:42 -0400 Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GS8IF-0005sg-Ey for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:27:55 +0100 Received: from [82.36.137.233] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GS8Bs-00059n-Ae for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:21:20 +0100 From: Mike To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Pan 0.113 [Windows] - going online doesn't restart xfer + fanmail Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:22:44 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <52dac3020609260052j6d492dacu47fa4e527588f53b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <52dac3020609260052j6d492dacu47fa4e527588f53b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609260922.44630.mrh0@blueyonder.co.uk> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mh012a6946@blueyonder.co.uk, pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:27:59 -0000 On Tuesday 26 Sep 2006 08:52, Brian Costello wrote: > However, when I went back online, nothing > happened - the transfer didn't start back up, despite having over 50 parts > queued (I was sniffing the traffic to make sure that it wasn't trying then > failing very quickly). =A0I tried a few things before finding that reques= ting > a header update started things up again. =A0I'd imagine that any addition= to > the task queue would do the same. I'm not brave enough to be using the development version of Pan, and so am= =20 still on the Mandriva Linux edition of 2.19.2.41 but have exactly the same= =20 problem. Over the last few days Blueyonder's binary news server has died on= =20 me mid way through a download and, even once it's come back again, Pan has= =20 required a quit and restart to get it to ask me if I want to continue. I wa= s=20 actually about to ask if this was the standard procedure, or if there's a=20 'restart' button hidden somewhere when I read your message and decided to a= dd=20 my question as a response to your message. So, /is/ there a 'restart' butto= n=20 or is my method the only one which works on this version of Pan? =2D-=20 Mike From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 05:18:48 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GS95U-0003lT-P1 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 05:18:48 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GS95S-0003kl-Pz for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 05:18:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GS95Q-0003kG-Se for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 05:18:46 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GS95Q-0003kB-7K for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 05:18:44 -0400 Received: from [66.249.82.227] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GS9A1-00041Y-Mt for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 05:23:29 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so2597951wxc for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:18:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fne5Hw7Q1vVFuA9PHCzJObciDwqfz44HZV4gZ71VKBMYlhaPA5SRKsaUa72iiBbwMJExRWEyoP6zsVphxjHequ7V+kkyjsS075TN2mXshOfmr3RJPCiZz75FHKrW1QWjvzJt+7GcN2zH8xR+Fpb2RG0iK/GUOwkvm+JJWz+DrXU= Received: by 10.90.27.6 with SMTP id a6mr62526aga; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.116.11 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5caa9b870609260218x6e598730u63bfd6458d77e4f9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:18:43 +0100 From: "Steve Davies" To: pan-users@nongnu.org In-Reply-To: <4518B626.4050209@rebelbase.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4518B626.4050209@rebelbase.com> Subject: [Pan-users] Re: [Pan-announce] ANN: Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:18:47 -0000 On 9/26/06, Charles Kerr wrote: > September 25, 2006 - Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" > ... and the updated WIN32 installer is up at http://davies147.googlepages.com/ Cheers, Steve From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 12:53:50 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSGBq-00064H-5Y for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:53:50 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSGBn-00063q-HI for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:53:47 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSGBm-00063c-1i for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:53:47 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSGBl-00063Y-Qr for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:53:45 -0400 Received: from [81.168.115.223] (helo=ickx.fenrir.org.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSGGR-0003U2-Db for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:58:35 -0400 Received: from peterson.fenrir.org.uk ([10.0.0.2]) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) by ickx.fenrir.org.uk with esmtpsa (Exim 4.63 #1 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1GSGBj-0005CH-8q for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:53:43 +0100 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:53:42 +0100 From: Brian Morrison To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" Message-ID: <20060926175342.18ee11ed@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4518B626.4050209@rebelbase.com> References: <4518B626.4050209@rebelbase.com> Organization: The Fool and Bladder Face-Jumping Team X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.5.1cvs1 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) X-PGP-KeyID: DE32E5C5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:53:48 -0000 On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 00:09:58 -0500 Charles Kerr wrote: > September 25, 2006 - Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" Odd, the about box reads "Angry Albatross".... -- Brian Morrison bdm at fenrir dot org dot uk GnuPG key ID DE32E5C5 - http://wwwkeys.uk.pgp.net/pgpnet/wwwkeys.html From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 13:59:34 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSHDS-0003eS-D1 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:59:34 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSHDQ-0003dS-RO for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:59:32 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSHDP-0003by-Gw for pan-users@nongnu.org; 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Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:59:23 +0200 From: "Frederic Bezies" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" In-Reply-To: <20060926175342.18ee11ed@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4518B626.4050209@rebelbase.com> <20060926175342.18ee11ed@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:59:33 -0000 2006/9/26, Brian Morrison : > On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 00:09:58 -0500 > Charles Kerr wrote: > > > September 25, 2006 - Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" > > Odd, the about box reads "Angry Albatross".... > Oh, yes ! I didn't noticed it... Oops ;) -- Frederic Bezies fredbezies@gmail.com From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 14:09:16 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSHMq-00071d-Fl for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:09:16 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSHMp-00071Y-Bh for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:09:15 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSHMn-00071A-Mq for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:09:14 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSHMn-000717-JU for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:09:13 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSHRT-0003Me-Ud for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:14:04 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GSHMg-0003CO-Dw for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:09:06 +0200 Received: from 216.222.132.43 ([216.222.132.43]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:09:06 +0200 Received: from beartooth by 216.222.132.43 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:09:06 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Beartooth Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:13:19 -0400 Lines: 19 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.222.132.43 User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] resetting 0.14.2.91 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:09:15 -0000 I hesitate even to ask amid all the excitement of getting to 1.0, but it may turn urgent for me one of these days. I've long had Pan set up to use my current local ISP, Adelphia the Utterly Accursed Cable Company; but deliverance is at hand : I'm in process of switching to wireless broadband from a local telephone coop. I can already get into news.swva.net -- that just took adding a newsserver. But I can't seem to find where to reset the From: line. Am I looking right at it and just not seeing it?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck, Double Retiree, Not Quite Clueless Linux Power User : Fedora Core 5 [etc] I have precious (very precious) little idea where up is. From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 16:26:06 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJVG-0004ix-EM for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:26:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJVF-0004ie-PX for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:26:05 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJVC-0004fp-HP for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:26:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJVC-0004fd-A0 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:26:02 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSJZt-0002v5-Oa for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:30:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 18433 invoked by uid 140); 26 Sep 2006 20:26:08 -0000 Received: from nat.nssl.noaa.gov (HELO ?172.16.20.18?) (charles@129.15.69.8) by rebelbase.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 26 Sep 2006 20:26:08 -0000 Message-ID: <45198C69.7060604@rebelbase.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:24:09 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org References: <4518B626.4050209@rebelbase.com> <4518B76B.4060504@rebelbase.com> <4518C51B.3090008@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4518C51B.3090008@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:26:05 -0000 Frederic Bezies wrote: >>> Thanks to everyone whose suggestions were used in this release: >>> Axion, Kevin Brammer, Artur Jachacy, Christpohe Lambin, Robert Marshall, >>> Flammie Pirinen, and George Sherwood. Honorable mention: valgrind. > Thanks for the info. Is it me or this changelog is very short ? > > Can we think next step is 1.0rc1 ? ;) There were only two serious bugs fixed in this release -- most of the work went into improvements like reducing Pan's memory footprint. So IMO things are moving in the right direction. But as for the 1.0 question... I thought we'd be there by now, but it really just depends on how the bug reports go. I'd much rather release a stable 1.0 than worry about timelines. Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 16:28:54 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJXy-0007NE-0B for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:28:54 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJXw-0007LW-5v for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:28:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJXu-0007Iq-1W for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:28:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJXt-0007Id-Nn for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:28:49 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSJcb-0003ni-Cb for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:33:41 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJXM-0000jD-4M for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:28:16 +0200 Received: from ita4fw1.itasoftware.com ([63.107.91.99]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:28:16 +0200 Received: from johan by ita4fw1.itasoftware.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:28:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Johan Ovlinger Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:27:20 -0400 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <45198D28.1030201@maileater.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ita4fw1.itasoftware.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041020 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: No search widgets in 0.113 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:28:52 -0000 johan ovlinger wrote: > When I start 0.113, I see printed to the console: And there are no search widgets in above either the group or article pane, I should add. From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 16:46:37 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJp7-0001fU-8f for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:46:37 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJp5-0001co-8T for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:46:35 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJp3-0001Zp-N7 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:46:34 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSJp3-0001Zm-KV for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:46:33 -0400 Received: from [64.233.162.194] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSJtl-0006pg-Fy for pan-users@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:51:25 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so1013601nzf for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:46:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HpfhH6u3GcEfmzyYJDOGIR/PM/1tfHkIjYTH7hJHwdtgk/d3f39B4hk01YS5vCgskaMyA5p4+DYWxa1QCqCRw2MEukY3mBUmUV4+0wx0qoV6cA3+CMOy7TY4i4BLsuTyI/y2qsXfgRbrHQAoBkJxpkiGESizdwAILjF5WbgPsjw= Received: by 10.65.59.11 with SMTP id m11mr3831474qbk; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.233.1 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:46:32 +0200 From: "Frederic Bezies" To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" In-Reply-To: <45198C69.7060604@rebelbase.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4518B626.4050209@rebelbase.com> <4518B76B.4060504@rebelbase.com> <4518C51B.3090008@gmail.com> <45198C69.7060604@rebelbase.com> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:46:35 -0000 2006/9/26, Charles Kerr : > Frederic Bezies wrote: > > >>> Thanks to everyone whose suggestions were used in this release: > >>> Axion, Kevin Brammer, Artur Jachacy, Christpohe Lambin, Robert Marshall, > >>> Flammie Pirinen, and George Sherwood. Honorable mention: valgrind. > > > Thanks for the info. Is it me or this changelog is very short ? > > > > Can we think next step is 1.0rc1 ? ;) > > There were only two serious bugs fixed in this release -- most of the > work went into improvements like reducing Pan's memory footprint. > So IMO things are moving in the right direction. If you told me the opposite, I would have had some questions to ask ;) > > But as for the 1.0 question... I thought we'd be there by now, but > it really just depends on how the bug reports go. I'd much rather > release a stable 1.0 than worry about timelines. > I am trained with features based releases software like firefox ;) So, I may say that Pan is beginning to smell like a 1.0rc release ;) > Charles > > > _______________________________________________ > Pan-users mailing list > Pan-users@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users > -- Frederic Bezies fredbezies@gmail.com From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 19:06:58 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSM0w-0001MR-7q for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:06:58 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSM0u-0001M2-7w for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:06:56 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSM0s-0001Lm-95 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:06:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSM0s-0001Lj-0l for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:06:54 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSM5b-00070b-3z for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:11:47 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GSLxy-0006HK-NW for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:03:54 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:03:54 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:03:54 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:03:20 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: No search widgets in 0.113 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:06:56 -0000 "johan ovlinger" posted efbhli$dfl$1@sea.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:40:34 +0000: > When I start 0.113, I see printed to the console: > > (pan:22771): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtktoolbar.c: line 2591 > (gtk_toolbar_get_item_index): assertion `GTK_IS_TOOLBAR (toolbar)' failed > > (pan:22771): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtktoolbar.c: line 2559 > (gtk_toolbar_insert): assertion `GTK_IS_TOOLBAR (toolbar)' failed > > (pan:22771): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtktoolbar.c: line 2591 > (gtk_toolbar_get_item_index): assertion `GTK_IS_TOOLBAR (toolbar)' failed > > (pan:22771): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtktoolbar.c: line 2559 > (gtk_toolbar_insert): assertion `GTK_IS_TOOLBAR (toolbar)' failed > > I'm running cleanly configured and built-from-source version. > > According to RPM: > >> rpm -q gtk2 > gtk2-2.4.0-1 > > > Is there perhaps some other dependency that configure failed to spot? That's an awful old gtk, I have 2.10.3 here: $equery l gtk+-2 [ Searching for package 'gtk+' in all categories among: ] * installed packages [I--] [ ~] x11-libs/gtk+-2.10.3 (2) Charles has been fighting to keep pan compatible with gtk+-2.4 for the entire release cycle. He'll release something that doesn't quite work in the old one, someone will file a bug about it, and he'll figure out a compatible way to do it that works on old versions too, fixing it for the next weekly beta. Looks like this is yet another iteration of that cycle. So... if it's not fixed in 0.114 (I don't see anything like that listed in the 0.114 announcement closed bugs list), file a bug on it and he'll probably have it fixed for pan 0.115... or perhaps he'll give up and require 2.6 or better, but he hasn't yet, so this will probably get fixed too. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 19:11:08 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSM4x-0003PK-Vq for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:11:08 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSM4w-0003Nr-Gi for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:11:06 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSM4v-0003N7-91 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:11:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSM4u-0003N0-Uo for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:11:05 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSM9e-0007N0-CV for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:15:58 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GSM4B-0007eD-Nm for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:10:20 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:10:19 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:10:19 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: resetting 0.14.2.91 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:11:06 -0000 Beartooth posted pan.2006.09.26.18.13.18.567114@adelphia.net, excerpted below, on Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:13:19 -0400: > > I hesitate even to ask amid all the excitement of getting to 1.0, but it > may turn urgent for me one of these days. > > I've long had Pan set up to use my current local ISP, Adelphia the Utterly > Accursed Cable Company; but deliverance is at hand : I'm in process of > switching to wireless broadband from a local telephone coop. > > I can already get into news.swva.net -- that just took adding a newsserver. > > But I can't seem to find where to reset the From: line. Am I looking right > at it and just not seeing it?? It would seem so. =8^) Tools, Posting Profiles. Setup the profile you want, then select the desired profile from the dropdown in the compose window the next time you post to a target group and pan will remember your selection. (That's the part that wasn't clear to many people, including me at one point, which is why it changed a bit in 0.90+.) (Thanks for mentioning which pan version. Avoids confusion. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 19:17:44 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMBM-0005hk-2n for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:17:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMBJ-0005h7-NR for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:17:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMBH-0005gu-6Z for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:17:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMBH-0005gr-2T for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:17:39 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSMG0-0008Av-8W for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:22:32 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMB1-0000QM-Nb for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:17:23 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:17:23 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:17:23 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <52dac3020609260052j6d492dacu47fa4e527588f53b@mail.gmail.com> <200609260922.44630.mrh0@blueyonder.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Pan 0.113 [Windows] - going online doesn't restart xfer + fanmail X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:17:41 -0000 Mike posted 200609260922.44630.mrh0@blueyonder.co.uk, excerpted below, on Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:22:44 +0100: > On Tuesday 26 Sep 2006 08:52, Brian Costello wrote: > >> However, when I went back online, nothing >> happened - the transfer didn't start back up, despite having over 50 parts >> queued (I was sniffing the traffic to make sure that it wasn't trying then >> failing very quickly).  I tried a few things before finding that requesting >> a header update started things up again.  I'd imagine that any addition to >> the task queue would do the same. > > I'm not brave enough to be using the development version of Pan, and so am > still on the Mandriva Linux edition of 2.19.2.41 but have exactly the same > problem. Over the last few days Blueyonder's binary news server has died on > me mid way through a download and, even once it's come back again, Pan has > required a quit and restart to get it to ask me if I want to continue. I was > actually about to ask if this was the standard procedure, or if there's a > 'restart' button hidden somewhere when I read your message and decided to add > my question as a response to your message. So, /is/ there a 'restart' button > or is my method the only one which works on this version of Pan? On old-pan (0.14.x, don't know where 2.19.2.41 came from), handing of broken connections was indeed an issue at times. The problem occurs rarely enough for us active users/bug-filers, however, that it was never fixed. I've had no issues with new-pan in this regard, but that doesn't mean the problem may not still be there (as mentioned in the OP). Again, the problem was quite rare here as it was, so maybe I just haven't seen it. If the OP can reliably duplicate it (now with 0.114), a bug would be appreciated, and maybe it can be tracked down and fixed before 1.0. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 19:25:11 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMIZ-0001MM-0y for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:25:11 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMIW-0001LH-W0 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:25:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMIW-0001L5-Ix for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:25:08 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMIW-0001L2-BQ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:25:08 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSMNF-0000Ir-Nr for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:30:02 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMIN-0001cI-F5 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:24:59 +0200 Received: from ita4fw1.itasoftware.com ([63.107.91.99]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:24:59 +0200 Received: from johan by ita4fw1.itasoftware.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:24:59 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Johan Ovlinger Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:24:40 -0400 Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ita4fw1.itasoftware.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041020 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: No search widgets in 0.113 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:25:09 -0000 Duncan wrote: > "johan ovlinger" posted > efbhli$dfl$1@sea.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:40:34 > +0000: > > > > That's an awful old gtk, I have 2.10.3 here: > > $equery l gtk+-2 > [ Searching for package 'gtk+' in all categories among: ] > * installed packages > [I--] [ ~] x11-libs/gtk+-2.10.3 (2) I've been meaning to upgrade it, but my box started out as FC 2, I think, and the repositories are getting thin on the ground; by now most rpms are franken-upgraded to a mis-mash of half installed from source, half installed from rpms others have rolled up, and half are just out of date. One of these days I'll just do a clean re-install, but gawd, that's a pain I'd just as well put off indefinitely. ugh. I'll see if I can't coerce GTK2 to install on the machine. > > Charles has been fighting to keep pan compatible with gtk+-2.4 for the > entire release cycle. He'll release something that doesn't quite work in > the old one, someone will file a bug about it, and he'll figure out a > compatible way to do it that works on old versions too, fixing it for the > next weekly beta. Looks like this is yet another iteration of that cycle. > > So... if it's not fixed in 0.114 (I don't see anything like that listed > in the 0.114 announcement closed bugs list), file a bug on it and he'll > probably have it fixed for pan 0.115... or perhaps he'll give up and > require 2.6 or better, but he hasn't yet, so this will probably get fixed > too. =8^) > From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 19:31:42 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMOs-00059U-5A for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:31:42 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMOq-00057a-GR for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:31:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMOo-00056R-PE for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:31:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMOo-00056C-MV for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:31:38 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSMTY-0000zj-3I for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:36:32 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMOj-0002fb-Gq for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:31:33 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-197-187.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.197.187]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:31:33 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-197-187.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:31:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <4518B626.4050209__32543.1049605415$1159247510$gmane$org@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-197-187.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:31:40 -0000 On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 00:09:58 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: > September 25, 2006 - Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" Hi Charles, and thanks for another great beta. When I click on Help:About it says 'Angry Albatross'. Is this intentional? From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 19:35:25 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMST-0006fd-EJ for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:35:25 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMSR-0006fM-PM for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:35:23 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMSO-0006eA-8R for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:35:23 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMSO-0006e7-0l for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:35:20 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSMX7-0001E2-DA for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:40:13 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMS7-0003Li-MW for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:35:04 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:35:03 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:35:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <4518B626.4050209@rebelbase.com> <4518B76B.4060504@rebelbase.com> <4518C51B.3090008@gmail.com> <45198C69.7060604@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:35:23 -0000 "Frederic Bezies" posted da24b53c0609261346k40a31d13t29566e68091f1e0@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:46:32 +0200: >> But as for the 1.0 question... I thought we'd be there by now, but >> it really just depends on how the bug reports go. I'd much rather >> release a stable 1.0 than worry about timelines. >> > > I am trained with features based releases software like firefox ;) > > So, I may say that Pan is beginning to smell like a 1.0rc release ;) I figured we'd be there by now as well, but now you see why my earlier predictions were for "by the end of the year." =8^) Then you (Charles) said you didn't know what would take that long, and I agreed, and started saying we hoped by August. Now it's looking like we won't make Sept, but my original "by the end of the year" still looks reasonably safe. =8^) Actually, IMO if we weren't trying to make this the big 1.0, pan has been stable enough for several releases to make it a "stable" release in the old pre 0.15 line. However, we /do/ want a /very/ stable 1.0 as it's a HUGE milestone, and it /does/ appear we are getting very close. =8^) I did see another bug in 0.113 that reoccurred a couple times, but am experiencing difficulties getting a good test case, and suspect 0.114 may have fixed it in any case. The problem was with multiple uuencoded attachments -- I'm not sure if it was multiple attachments or just uuencoded attachments. Anyway, pan was seeing and decoding them (if images) to display, but was only /saving/ one of the attachments, if asked to save them. I had the opposite happen as well -- multipart posts with single attachments that pan was screwing up the save of, but if I saved the text-articles to a scratch dir, uudeview could decode them properly. I'm not sure if that was a different manifestation of the same bug or a different one. Anyway, I've not seen it with 0.114 yet and was trying to get an appropriate test-case before that, so we'll see if 0.114 does it or not and go from there, I guess. It's frustrating when the bug can't be properly defined and a test case demonstrated. =8^( -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Sep 26 21:38:28 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSONY-0003kp-Jh for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:38:28 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSONX-0003ka-3G for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:38:27 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSONU-0003kL-KZ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:38:25 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSONU-0003kG-9r for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:38:24 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSOSE-0003wy-Ri for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:43:19 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GSOLb-0007qJ-Va for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:36:27 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:36:27 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:36:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: No search widgets in 0.113 X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:38:27 -0000 Johan Ovlinger posted efccrp$hik$1@sea.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:24:40 -0400: > Duncan wrote: >> "johan ovlinger" posted [as] excerpted below, on Tue, 26 Sep 2006 >> 15:40:34 +0000: >> >> That's an awful old gtk, I have 2.10.3 here: > > I've been meaning to upgrade [gtk] but my box started out as FC 2, I > think, and the repositories are getting thin on the ground; by now most > rpms are franken-upgraded to a mis-mash of half installed from source, > half installed from rpms others have rolled up, and half are just out of > date. > > One of these days I'll just do a clean re-install, but gawd, that's a > pain I'd just as well put off indefinitely. ugh. > > I'll see if I can't coerce GTK2 to install on the machine. I wouldn't worry too much about upgrading gtk. As you said, by now you are looking at franken-packages in many cases, so upgrading the entire install makes more sense. As I said, file a pan bug and Charles will likely figure out how to implement the lost changes in a compatible way, as it's not going to be just you with an old gtk+. One of the great things about Gentoo is that full release all-at-one-time upgrades aren't the way Gentoo likes to do things. Rather, you install once and upgrade each package as the updates become available. Once in awhile you upgrade your profile to point to a later release, as old ones eventually go unsupported, but even then, it's generally only a few packages that were masked on the old profile due to incompatibilities that will need upgraded, as everything else has been updated as new versions came along and stabilized. Of course, Gentoo has its downsides too. Not everyone has a fast enough machine to find compiling from source practical, and others simply prefer to let their distribution make the decisions and take many of the responsibilities that Gentoo leaves for the end user sysadmin. Gentoo's not for everyone, but one thing it /does/ do quite effectively is eliminate the pain of the release snapshot-in-time effect that most distributions suffer. That's one of many reasons I like it. So anyway, file that bug as you won't be the only one with an old gtk, and Charles /has/ been trying to keep compatibility with it. I'm not sure I'd want to chance upgrading gtk on a generally old base either. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 27 01:22:44 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSRsZ-0002kZ-W4 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:22:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSRsZ-0002kH-0r for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:22:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSRsY-0002jx-0m for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:22:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSRsX-0002ju-Rb for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:22:41 -0400 Received: from [70.168.83.82] (helo=centrmmtao02.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSRxK-0007Ef-Sy for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:27:39 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060927052240.DYBS22014.centrmmtao02.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:22:40 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id THNZ1V00L4amFmC0000000 Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:22:35 -0400 Message-ID: <451A0A9B.1020207@rebelbase.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:22:35 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" References: <4518B626.4050209__32543.1049605415$1159247510$gmane$org@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:22:43 -0000 walt wrote: > On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 00:09:58 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: > >> September 25, 2006 - Pan 0.114: "You'll Have to Go Sideways" > > Hi Charles, and thanks for another great beta. > > When I click on Help:About it says 'Angry Albatross'. Is this > intentional? Yes, I slipped up on the release title. No big deal. From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 27 01:24:45 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSRuW-0003AX-Td for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:24:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSRuV-00038n-Lo for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:24:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSRuS-00037o-4b for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:24:43 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSRuR-00037l-WB for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:24:40 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.202] (helo=mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSRzF-0007Mn-3X for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:29:37 -0400 Received: from mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.152]) by mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8R5OajR007145 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:24:36 -0400 Received: from 68-184-218-179.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([68.184.218.179]) by mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 27 Sep 2006 01:24:36 -0400 Message-ID: <451A0B9B.4060604@charter.net> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:26:51 -0500 From: fred User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Pan-users] 0.114 memory usage X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:24:44 -0000 Hey Charles I am using 0.114 and still using up tons of memory 1.9gb/2.0gb + 4gb of swap. Trying to get all the headers for A.B.dvd from giganews. FC5,2.6.17-1.2187_FC5smp, once it hits the end of the swap it just stops responing. It compiled without error and make check passed. Any suggestions? Thanks Lazlow From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 27 01:38:22 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSS7i-0004bQ-AB for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:38:22 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSS7g-0004aZ-9P for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:38:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSS7e-0004XB-DG for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:38:20 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSS7e-0004Wu-7Y for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:38:18 -0400 Received: from [68.230.240.38] (helo=eastrmmtao01.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSSCR-0000Q1-Bc for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:43:15 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060927053817.WIMW18847.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net>; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:38:17 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id THeA1V00C4amFmC0000000 Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:38:13 -0400 Message-ID: <451A0E44.70108@rebelbase.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:38:12 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mh012a6946@blueyonder.co.uk, pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Pan 0.113 [Windows] - going online doesn't restart xfer + fanmail References: <52dac3020609260052j6d492dacu47fa4e527588f53b@mail.gmail.com> <200609260922.44630.mrh0@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200609260922.44630.mrh0@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:38:20 -0000 Mike wrote: > I'm not brave enough to be using the development version of Pan, and so am > still on the Mandriva Linux edition of 2.19.2.41 but have exactly the same > problem. Strictly speaking, 0.14.2.91 was a beta release too. The last stable release was 0.14.2. I can't reproduce this problem under Linux with 0.113, but will try it under Windows soon. Since all my Pan efforts are directed towards the rewrite, any bugs in 0.14.2.91 are likely to stay there. cheers, Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 27 01:42:01 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSSBE-0006zD-ST for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:42:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSSBD-0006yC-Cl for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:41:59 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSSBA-0006xx-NL for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:41:58 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSSBA-0006xq-Ff for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:41:56 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.21] (helo=smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSSFw-0000l0-VE for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:46:53 -0400 Received: from giant.intra.local.net (tschai.xs4all.nl [213.84.6.128]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k8R5fq48068283 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:41:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from csv4me@xs4all.nl) From: Csv4Me2 Organization: Csv To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] 0.114 memory usage Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:41:51 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <451A0B9B.4060604@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <451A0B9B.4060604@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609270741.51924.csv4me@xs4all.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:41:59 -0000 On Wednesday 27 September 2006 07:26, fred wrote: > Hey Charles > > I am using 0.114 and still using up tons of memory 1.9gb/2.0gb + 4gb of > swap. Trying to get all the headers for A.B.dvd from giganews. > FC5,2.6.17-1.2187_FC5smp, once it hits the end of the swap it just stops > responing. It compiled without error and make check passed. Any > suggestions? > > Thanks > Lazlow > > > _______________________________________________ > Pan-users mailing list > Pan-users@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users What do you expect from a group with 30.000.000+ messsages ? Giganews retention period of three months or more isn't always a blessing, or even necessary. When I downloaded all the headers (3G of headers alone) of that group pan eventually built a single group file of 1750 M !!!, and it's all stored in core just before that :-) Not a bug but reaching the physical limits of your box, I guess. my 2 cents C From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 27 03:38:18 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSTzl-0003JI-VN for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:38:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSTzi-0003H1-JN for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:38:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSTzg-0003G9-IY for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:38:13 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSTzg-0003G4-03 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:38:12 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.228] (helo=mxsf28.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSU4U-0001tn-90 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:43:10 -0400 Received: from mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.150]) by mxsf28.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8R7c8Fd027720 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:38:08 -0400 Received: from 68-184-218-179.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([68.184.218.179]) by mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 27 Sep 2006 03:38:07 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,224,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="874299254:sNHT337644956" Message-ID: <451A2AE9.3090607@charter.net> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:40:25 -0500 From: fred User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] 0.114 memory usage References: <451A0B9B.4060604@charter.net> <200609270741.51924.csv4me@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <200609270741.51924.csv4me@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:38:14 -0000 Csv4Me2 wrote: > On Wednesday 27 September 2006 07:26, fred wrote: > >> Hey Charles >> >> I am using 0.114 and still using up tons of memory 1.9gb/2.0gb + 4gb of >> swap. Trying to get all the headers for A.B.dvd from giganews. >> FC5,2.6.17-1.2187_FC5smp, once it hits the end of the swap it just stops >> responing. It compiled without error and make check passed. Any >> suggestions? >> >> Thanks >> Lazlow >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pan-users mailing list >> Pan-users@nongnu.org >> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users >> > > What do you expect from a group with 30.000.000+ messsages ? > Giganews retention period of three months or more isn't always a blessing, or > even necessary. > When I downloaded all the headers (3G of headers alone) of that group pan > eventually built a single group file of 1750 M !!!, and it's all stored in > core just before that :-) > Not a bug but reaching the physical limits of your box, I guess. > > my 2 cents > > C > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pan-users mailing list > Pan-users@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users > > I agree that I have apparently reached the physical limits of my machine with pan the way it is now. But I believe that the trend of longer retention times and more posts will only continue to grow. I also believe that the majority of machines out there do not have any more physcial resources than I do (with the majority probably having less). If we assume both of those statements are true then something should change. I have no idea how much work it would take to do a save after x mb of headers or if it is even possible. If Charles says he is not going to do it, that is his choice. It is his show. Not informing him of the issue would be depriving him of that choice. Thanks Lazlow From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 27 04:18:05 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSUcH-0006Nb-5D for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:18:05 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSUcF-0006N9-Sw for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:18:03 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSUcD-0006ML-Vf for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:18:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSUcD-0006M5-ID for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:18:01 -0400 Received: from [194.109.24.33] (helo=smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSUh2-00059r-21 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:23:00 -0400 Received: from giant.intra.local.net (tschai.xs4all.nl [213.84.6.128]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id k8R8I01v055116 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:18:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from csv4me@xs4all.nl) From: Csv4Me2 Organization: Csv To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] 0.114 memory usage Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:17:59 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <451A0B9B.4060604@charter.net> <200609270741.51924.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451A2AE9.3090607@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <451A2AE9.3090607@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609271017.59570.csv4me@xs4all.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:18:04 -0000 On Wednesday 27 September 2006 09:40, fred wrote: > Csv4Me2 wrote: > > On Wednesday 27 September 2006 07:26, fred wrote: > >> Hey Charles > >> > >> I am using 0.114 and still using up tons of memory 1.9gb/2.0gb + 4gb of > >> swap. Trying to get all the headers for A.B.dvd from giganews. > >> FC5,2.6.17-1.2187_FC5smp, once it hits the end of the swap it just stops > >> responing. It compiled without error and make check passed. Any > >> suggestions? > >> > >> Thanks > >> Lazlow > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pan-users mailing list > >> Pan-users@nongnu.org > >> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users > > > > What do you expect from a group with 30.000.000+ messsages ? > > Giganews retention period of three months or more isn't always a > > blessing, or even necessary. > > When I downloaded all the headers (3G of headers alone) of that group pan > > eventually built a single group file of 1750 M !!!, and it's all stored > > in core just before that :-) > > Not a bug but reaching the physical limits of your box, I guess. > > > > my 2 cents > > > > C > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pan-users mailing list > > Pan-users@nongnu.org > > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users > > I agree that I have apparently reached the physical limits of my machine > with pan the way it is now. But I believe that the trend of longer > retention times and more posts will only continue to grow. I also > believe that the majority of machines out there do not have any more > physcial resources than I do (with the majority probably having less). > If we assume both of those statements are true then something should > change. I have no idea how much work it would take to do a save after x > mb of headers or if it is even possible. If Charles says he is not going > to do it, that is his choice. It is his show. Not informing him of the > issue would be depriving him of that choice. > > Thanks > Lazlow > > > _______________________________________________ > Pan-users mailing list > Pan-users@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users Yeah, I second that. Handling extremely groups should be possible on machines with a small memory footprint, say 512 Mb. That will probably mean a major overhaul in how pan manages loading, sorting and aggregating all those multiparts. And perhaps Charles will make that choice, I hope he does. You were/are definitely right mentioning this. C Pan, the choice of the GNU generation :-) From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 27 08:37:55 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSYfj-0001pU-AE for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:37:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSYfh-0001le-En for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:37:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSYfe-0001kn-PP for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:37:53 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSYfe-0001ki-LZ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:37:50 -0400 Received: from [195.188.213.5] (helo=smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSYkV-0007iv-L7 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:42:51 -0400 Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSYfc-0006vT-Q7 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:37:48 +0100 Received: from [82.36.137.233] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSY0f-0007Vi-RK for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:55:29 +0100 From: Mike To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Pan 0.113 [Windows] - going online doesn't restart xfer + fanmail Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:56:53 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <52dac3020609260052j6d492dacu47fa4e527588f53b@mail.gmail.com> <200609260922.44630.mrh0@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609271256.53703.mrh0@blueyonder.co.uk> X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mh012a6946@blueyonder.co.uk, pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:37:53 -0000 On Wednesday 27 Sep 2006 00:17, Duncan wrote: > On old-pan (0.14.x, don't know where 2.19.2.41 came from), Nor do I. I blame approaching senility, myself. :( -- Mike From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 27 18:14:14 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GShfS-0008I1-4o for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:14:14 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GShfQ-0008Ho-VU for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:14:13 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GShfP-0008Hc-71 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:14:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GShfP-0008HZ-1l for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:14:11 -0400 Received: from [213.84.74.36] (helo=smtp.falu.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GShkL-0007GZ-Kp for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:19:18 -0400 Received: from radl.falu.nl (IDENT:18396-ident-is-a-completely-pointless-protocol-that-offers-no-security-or-traceability-at-all-so-ta@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.falu.nl (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8RME5vh026447; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:14:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from rhialto@localhost) by radl.falu.nl (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id k8RME3RE014548; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:14:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:14:00 +0200 From: Rhialto To: pan-users@nongnu.org Message-ID: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: [Pan-users] Some remarks about the user interface X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:14:13 -0000 Hi all, I've been compiling the last few beta versions of Pan for NetBSD, and I started to use it too. I have some remarks about things in the user interface that are in my view a step backwards compared to the 0.14 series. The latest version I tried was 0.113. 0.114 is compiling now. - Drag-select doesn't work anymore even though it is a basic GUI concept. This is very inconvenient, I would call it a showstopper. - If you choose a primary newsserver and one or more secondaries, you get duplicate articles, so you can't just select a range of articles to download because it will download too much. This is very inconvenient, I would call it a showstopper. - How are the different (primary) newsservers related anyway? I can't seem to choose between them or anything. - I'd like my times expressed in 24 hour format please. - If I "Save articles" I always get the ^***&*& dialog, instead of just saving the attachments in the default directory as set for the group. Worse, the dialog has the wrong pre-selection, it always selects "custom path" even if I previously selected "Group's default path". - There isn't even a "Group's default path" option in the dialog if you didn't set something for the group; there is apparently not a global default path. - In the "task list" I can't see with which server a task is associated, which is inconvenient in case of very slow fallback servers for instance. - Something which is not really Pan's problem but of the posters: if there are multiple numbered posts with the numbers near the start of the Subject rather than near the end, all the [01/40] articles are grouped together even if they don't belong together. Cheers, -Olaf. -- ___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert -- You author it, and I'll reader it. \X/ rhialto/at/xs4all.nl -- Cetero censeo "authored" delendum esse. From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 27 19:14:26 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSibi-0007BI-0J for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:14:26 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSibg-0007AI-05 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:14:24 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSiba-00079W-Vd for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:14:23 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSiba-00079T-SM for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:14:18 -0400 Received: from [70.168.83.81] (helo=centrmmtao03.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSigY-0004h7-8q for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:19:26 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by centrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060927231417.PYIE27431.centrmmtao03.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:14:17 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id TbDu1V00V4amFmC0000000 Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:13:54 -0400 Message-ID: <451B05C8.400@rebelbase.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:14:16 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Some remarks about the user interface References: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> In-Reply-To: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:14:24 -0000 Rhialto wrote: > - Drag-select doesn't work anymore even though it is a basic GUI > concept. This is very inconvenient, I would call it a showstopper. Ha, I'm glad you asked for this! This is a gtk+ bug, not a Pan one, it's come up so many times that I'd bookmarked the gtk+ bugzilla ticket to refer people there to say "me too". I was about to do that here, but I see that GtkTreeView finally got drag-select as of gtk+ 2.10. So I'll have this working in the next release w/gtk+ >= 2.10.0. (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80127) > - If you choose a primary newsserver and one or more secondaries, you > get duplicate articles, so you can't just select a range of articles > to download because it will download too much. This is very > inconvenient, I would call it a showstopper. The duplicate articles are a known and fixed bug. However the fix doesn't retroactively prune out duplicates that you've already downloaded, so you should rm ~/.pan2/groups/*, then install the latest version of Pan. > - How are the different (primary) newsservers related anyway? I can't > seem to choose between them or anything. Connections are all grouped together in a pool, and a task waiting in the queue snatches the next available connection in the pool. First it looks for connections in the primary pool, then the secondary one, and so on. (ask Duncan about having more than two tiers) > - I'd like my times expressed in 24 hour format please. This would make a good preferences option. Please open a bugzilla ticket for this. > - If I "Save articles" I always get the ^***&*& dialog, instead of just > saving the attachments in the default directory as set for the group. > Worse, the dialog has the wrong pre-selection, it always selects > "custom path" even if I previously selected "Group's default path". You're not the first person to ask for this. I'm don't think there's a bugzilla ticket open on this, but there needs to be. > - There isn't even a "Group's default path" option in the dialog if you > didn't set something for the group; there is apparently not a global > default path. The `custom path' is remembered between sessions, so it fills in for that role. > - In the "task list" I can't see with which server a task is associated, > which is inconvenient in case of very slow fallback servers for > instance. A task isn't associated with any server. Tasks needing a connection just grab the the first connection available in the pool. A multipart can be divided up among as many servers as you've got. > - Something which is not really Pan's problem but of the posters: if > there are multiple numbered posts with the numbers near the start of > the Subject rather than near the end, all the [01/40] articles are > grouped together even if they don't belong together. I agree that this is not Pan's problem. ;) > Cheers, > -Olaf. Thanks for your feedback! In summary: you should rm ~/.pan2/groups/*, upgrade to the latest version, and make sure there are bugzilla tickets open for 24-hour time and a "save" button that doesn't require the dialog. cheers, Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 27 19:52:53 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjCv-0007ZU-Gq for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:52:53 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjCu-0007ZO-G0 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:52:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjCt-0007ZC-RL for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:52:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjCt-0007Z9-OB for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:52:51 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSjHr-00084t-4f for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:57:59 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjCn-0006sI-6x for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:52:45 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:52:45 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:52:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:52:36 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 114 Message-ID: References: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Some remarks about the user interface X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:52:52 -0000 Rhialto posted 20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl, excerpted below, on Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:14:00 +0200: > Hi all, > > I've been compiling the last few beta versions of Pan for NetBSD, and I > started to use it too. I have some remarks about things in the user > interface that are in my view a step backwards compared to the 0.14 > series. The latest version I tried was 0.113. 0.114 is compiling now. > > - Drag-select doesn't work anymore even though it is a basic GUI > concept. This is very inconvenient, I would call it a showstopper. Perhaps, but otherwise selection works better. With 0.14.x, either mouse selection or keyboard selection could work, but not both, due apparently to interaction with a bug in the gtk widget used in the header/overview pane (early versions had keyboard selection working but not mouse selection, later ones had mouse selection working but not keyboard, IIRC). Now, both work, including shift-click (range select), ctrl-click (multi-select), and keyboard selection (shift and ctrl with up/down arrows and space). I'm not sure if the lack of drag select now is related or simply that you are the first to ask for it. As long as implementing it doesn't kill any of the above select modes, I'd say fine, but if it does, leave it the way things are. > - If you choose a primary newsserver and one or more secondaries, you > get duplicate articles, so you can't just select a range of articles > to download because it will download too much. This is very > inconvenient, I would call it a showstopper. That was a bug that should be fixed in 0.114, I believe. Least-wise, something like that was in the fix list and I had seen it before but not since (with newly downloaded overviews, old ones don't get fixed). > - How are the different (primary) newsservers related anyway? I can't > seem to choose between them or anything. You don't choose between them in the UI. It's a single group listing and single post display -- unified management. However, you can set priorities, so for instance pan will go to low/no-cost servers first, and only try the premium servers if it can't find the posts on the first set. For simplicity, the GUI config only shows two levels of priority (in server settings), but you can edit the servers.xml file directly to any number of priorities. There are a number of other no-gui config-options available as well (including the $PAN_HOME environmental variable, allowing multiple sessions with different settings or simply allowing you to place pan's working dir as desired). I list about six of them in a post from last week. > - I'd like my times expressed in 24 hour format please. Actually, I would too. =8^) It may be settable using GNOME config options, but I use KDE and don't have GNOME installed, so couldn't say. I'd certainly like this to be customizable, tho, so I agree with this one. Please file a bug. If you post the bug URL after you do, I'll follow up seconding the request. I'm not sure if this will make it before 1.0, however. Probably depends on the pain and potential bugginess of implementation, which means it's not likely to get a GUI option pre-1.0 anyway, tho it might get a direct file edit config option. > - If I "Save articles" I always get the ^***&*& dialog, instead of just > saving the attachments in the default directory as set for the group. > Worse, the dialog has the wrong pre-selection, it always selects > "custom path" even if I previously selected "Group's default path". The pre-selection thing is already bugged and there have been some changes of late tho I don't think it's fully fixed yet. Read the list archives (or subscribe to the gmane.org newsgroup and read it there) or check bugzi for the details. There has been discussion about bringing back the no-dialog version, and I believe everybody incl. Charles believes it's a good idea, but I'm not sure it'll make it before 1.0. FWIW, if you do /not/ set a default save location (I believe you have to edit the config manually to remove it if set, however, tho you can set it to something else, but that's not the same), the dialog remembers the last used location and it seems to work better. That helps a GREAT deal here. Along with range- and multi-select as above, that makes things not /too/ bad, tho a non-dialog method would be even better. > - There isn't even a "Group's default path" option in the dialog if you > didn't set something for the group; there is apparently not a global > default path. There's a global default, but I believe it has to be set manually now. A few versions ago there was no per-group setting, so the global default was all there was. > - In the "task list" I can't see with which server a task is associated, > which is inconvenient in case of very slow fallback servers for > instance. The tasks are server-global, not associated with any particular server. However, it /would/ be nice if pan were to have some method, perhaps a column in the overview/header pane, to show which servers had a particular post and how complete it was on the various servers. The task dialog could then show which server the various connections were for, maybe with separate columns for each server displaying the active connections. However, this is all post-1.0 stuff, since 1.0 is very close now. > - Something which is not really Pan's problem but of the posters: if > there are multiple numbered posts with the numbers near the start of > the Subject rather than near the end, all the [01/40] articles are > grouped together even if they don't belong together. Old-pan ignored those for sorting order IIRC. Maybe new-pan should do the same? Please file a bug, tho again this might be a post-1.0 thing. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 27 20:23:56 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjgy-0006yL-Kc for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:23:56 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjgx-0006yD-O6 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:23:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjgw-0006xn-TM for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:23:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjgw-0006xk-O5 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:23:54 -0400 Received: from [24.214.63.101] (helo=smtp.knology.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSjlu-0001zf-No for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:29:02 -0400 Received: (qmail 4015 invoked by uid 0); 28 Sep 2006 00:23:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.2?) (216.186.148.249) by smtp8.knology.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 00:23:52 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Kelly Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Some remarks about the user interface Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:23:49 -0500 To: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:23:55 -0000 On Sep 27, 2006, at 6:52 PM, Duncan wrote: >> - How are the different (primary) newsservers related anyway? I can't >> seem to choose between them or anything. > > You don't choose between them in the UI. It's a single group > listing and > single post display -- unified management. However, you can set > priorities, so for instance pan will go to low/no-cost servers > first, and > only try the premium servers if it can't find the posts on the > first set. > For simplicity, the GUI config only shows two levels of priority (in > server settings), but you can edit the servers.xml file directly to > any > number of priorities. There are a number of other no-gui config- > options > available as well (including the $PAN_HOME environmental variable, > allowing multiple sessions with different settings or simply > allowing you > to place pan's working dir as desired). I list about six of them in a > post from last week. 0.113 and 0.114 seem to behave better than prior versions I have tried, but just what is the expected behavior when the "backup" (via GUI config) server is not online? Or was online and falls off while the current instance of pan is running? And what happens when the backup was initially offline and is brought back online? Currently if the backup is not online when I start pan, pan behaves as I would hope. Previously it would only run at about 2/3rds of the bandwidth if both primary and backup were online, and decay to nothing within 30 to 60 minutes. Is currently up to 95% of the reported download bandwidth of 0.14. Haven't benchmarked actual to- disk rates other than it really did run at about half the rate of 0.14. In earlier versions it appeared to me the backup would be assigned tasks whether it was available or not. That a "get new headers" task might be assigned to the backup and never revert to the primary. Yet the task would stick in the Task Manager window as 100% complete. This appears to have been addressed. As has the lesser download bandwidth which eventually dropped to nothing. I'd really like the Task Manager to indicate which tasks were on what server. And at the top of the window rather than just the aggregate data rate, break it up by servers, that one might notice backup isn't being used, might as well take it offline. A problem I run across a lot with usenetserver.com is that an article listed in headers is not available. This broke 0.14 and prevented any of the other articles in a multipart posting from being assembled. The download stopped at the missing article yet the multipart headers were bound into one line item which could not be split back into its components. Think it was "download text" which would download all the articles available and then one had to yydecode externally. If the article was not listed in headers then pan 0.14 would assemble whatever it had and leave the job of repair to par2. In this case I learned with 0.14 I could bring the backup server online, update headers, and select the broken article. Then pan would restart where it left off on the usenetserver.com account. Could stop the download from the alternate server, delete from queue from the first, re-select it on the first, and it would once again run until it hit a listed but missing article. Guessing this is how 0.114 behaves with primary and backup servers. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 27 20:28:42 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjla-0008Ci-Of for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:28:42 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjlY-0008AY-6r for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:28:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjlW-00088Q-4g for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:28:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjlV-000888-Tc for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:28:37 -0400 Received: from [24.214.63.101] (helo=smtp.knology.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSjqT-0002RU-Ts for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:33:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 27172 invoked by uid 0); 28 Sep 2006 00:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.2?) (216.186.148.249) by smtp5.knology.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 00:28:36 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> References: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Kelly Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Some remarks about the user interface Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:28:34 -0500 To: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:28:40 -0000 On Sep 27, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Rhialto wrote: > - If I "Save articles" I always get the ^***&*& dialog, instead of > just > saving the attachments in the default directory as set for the > group. > Worse, the dialog has the wrong pre-selection, it always selects > "custom path" even if I previously selected "Group's default path". What bugs me is if the articles are sorted in a particular order in the group list no matter what I select in this dialog box the tasks queued are in no particular order I can tell. Am guessing that "put it at the bottom of the queue" does nothing, that the "oldest first" item which is always initially selected is always used no matter what. In 0.14 the task queue honored the order one selected the articles in the header listing. Bottom up, or top down, the first one clicked was queued first, and the last was last. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 27 20:36:43 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjtL-00008A-4z for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:36:43 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjtJ-000060-AF for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:36:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjtD-0008VL-6y for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:36:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjtD-0008VI-25 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:36:35 -0400 Received: from [24.214.63.101] (helo=smtp.knology.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSjyB-00007S-3g for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:41:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 18773 invoked by uid 0); 28 Sep 2006 00:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.2?) (216.186.148.249) by smtp7.knology.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 00:36:33 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200609271017.59570.csv4me@xs4all.nl> References: <451A0B9B.4060604@charter.net> <200609270741.51924.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451A2AE9.3090607@charter.net> <200609271017.59570.csv4me@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Kelly Subject: Re: [Pan-users] 0.114 memory usage Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:36:32 -0500 To: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:36:41 -0000 On Sep 27, 2006, at 3:17 AM, Csv4Me2 wrote: > Yeah, I second that. Handling extremely groups should be possible > on machines > with a small memory footprint, say 512 Mb. That will probably mean > a major > overhaul in how pan manages loading, sorting and aggregating all those > multiparts. And perhaps Charles will make that choice, I hope he does. How many years ago was the discussion centering on using a SQL database to handle the metadata? :-) On-disk storage would solve the memory footprint problem but come at the price of much slower response time. I think you should try 0.14.2.91 and find 2e6 to 2.5e6 messages was about the limit with a 2GB process size limit. 0.114 is two to three times more efficient. So at least one "major overhaul" has recently happened. Thanks Charles! -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 27 20:41:42 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjy9-000460-Hw for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:41:41 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjy8-00045A-BL for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:41:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjy7-00044b-Dp for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:41:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjy7-00044X-6p for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:41:39 -0400 Received: from [66.93.4.40] (helo=lister.deadlazlosplace.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSk35-0001Yt-1M for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:46:47 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (lazarus.deadlazlosplace.com [66.93.4.97]) by lister.deadlazlosplace.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k8S0fX7T003511 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <451B1A4D.10005@deadlazlosplace.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:41:49 -0400 From: jef_e User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Some remarks about the user interface References: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:41:40 -0000 Duncan wrote: > Rhialto posted > 20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl, excerpted below, on Thu, 28 Sep 2006 > 00:14:00 +0200: >> - Drag-select doesn't work anymore even though it is a basic GUI >> concept. This is very inconvenient, I would call it a showstopper. > > Perhaps, but otherwise selection works better. With 0.14.x, either mouse > selection or keyboard selection could work, but not both, due apparently > to interaction with a bug in the gtk widget used in the header/overview > pane (early versions had keyboard selection working but not mouse > selection, later ones had mouse selection working but not keyboard, IIRC). > Now, both work, including shift-click (range select), ctrl-click > (multi-select), and keyboard selection (shift and ctrl with up/down arrows > and space). > I'm not sure if the lack of drag select now is related or simply that you > are the first to ask for it. As long as implementing it doesn't kill > any of the above select modes, I'd say fine, but if it does, leave it the > way things are. I've mentioned this as an issue in the past as well. I'd have to say that for me, selection has taken a step backward. The only one above that I'm not sure about working in 0.14.x is keyboard-only selection -- all other methods work fine for me. Did keyboard-only selection not work before? I make use of all 3 methods that use a mouse (4 if you count double-clicking a single article), but never use just keyboard. I've lost a major selection method -- when trying to clean out some of the huge binary groups, I liked to just sit back, drag-select and let the headers scroll by. No movement required on my part until I saw a point where I wanted to stop selecting. At that point, a quick move up to Articles/Delete - or a quick jab at the Delete key. IMO, since Pan is a GUI app, having full mouse ability should be a top priority. I'm glad to see the GTK folks finally get this done :) >> - Something which is not really Pan's problem but of the posters: if >> there are multiple numbered posts with the numbers near the start of >> the Subject rather than near the end, all the [01/40] articles are >> grouped together even if they don't belong together. > > Old-pan ignored those for sorting order IIRC. Maybe new-pan should do the > same? Please file a bug, tho again this might be a post-1.0 thing. Makes me crazy when posters do this stuff as well, but I also wonder if Pan should work around bad posting habits. Depends on how hard it would be for the Pan crew to implement, I guess. Maybe a feature request if someone can work out a way to figure out what is legitimate vs what is not in those cases. jef From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Sep 27 22:31:40 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSlga-00005b-Rc for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:31:40 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSlgZ-0008W4-00 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:31:39 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSlgW-0008VM-KG for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:31:38 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSlgW-0008VJ-E0 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:31:36 -0400 Received: from [68.230.240.38] (helo=eastrmmtao01.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSllV-0001tS-Nd for pan-users@nongnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:36:45 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060928023136.MFGV18847.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:31:36 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id TeXC1V00d4amFmC0000000 Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:31:13 -0400 Message-ID: <451B3407.3030200@rebelbase.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:31:35 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org References: <451A0B9B.4060604@charter.net> <200609270741.51924.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451A2AE9.3090607@charter.net> <200609271017.59570.csv4me@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <200609271017.59570.csv4me@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Pan-users] Testers wanted: memory reduction patch for alt.binaries X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:31:39 -0000 See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358077 for details and the patch. From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 28 01:26:08 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSoPQ-0007mI-4s for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:26:08 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSoPO-0007lC-GC for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:26:06 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSoPL-0007jO-U5 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:26:06 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSoPL-0007jL-Oq for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:26:03 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.222] (helo=mxsf22.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSoUM-0003iP-PQ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:31:14 -0400 Received: from mxip30a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip30a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.189]) by mxsf22.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8S5PvJo009437 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:25:58 -0400 Received: from 68-184-218-179.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([68.184.218.179]) by mxip30a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 28 Sep 2006 01:25:57 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,227,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="1733897968:sNHT21449312" Message-ID: <451B5D74.20703@charter.net> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:28:20 -0500 From: fred User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Testers wanted: memory reduction patch for alt.binaries References: <451A0B9B.4060604@charter.net> <200609270741.51924.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451A2AE9.3090607@charter.net> <200609271017.59570.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451B3407.3030200@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <451B3407.3030200@rebelbase.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:26:06 -0000 Charles Kerr wrote: > See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358077 > for details and the patch. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pan-users mailing list > Pan-users@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users > Charles When I ran make check I got failed adaptable-set-test #17 (or something close). It seems to be running ok. Peaked at 1.5gb/2.0gb no swap used. Still downloading. Thanks Lazlow From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 28 03:22:40 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSqEB-00051Y-M1 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 03:22:39 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSqE9-0004xh-Hn for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 03:22:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSqE8-0004vc-E4 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 03:22:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSqE8-0004v9-4G for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 03:22:36 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSqJ9-0003l4-W9 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 03:27:48 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GSqDr-0006ya-0Q for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:22:19 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:22:18 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:22:18 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> <451B05C8.400@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Some remarks about the user interface X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:22:38 -0000 Charles Kerr posted 451B05C8.400@rebelbase.com, excerpted below, on Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:14:16 -0500: > Rhialto wrote: > >> - Drag-select doesn't work anymore even though it is a basic GUI >> concept. This is very inconvenient, I would call it a showstopper. > > Ha, I'm glad you asked for this! This is a gtk+ bug, not a Pan one, > it's come up so many times that I'd bookmarked the gtk+ bugzilla ticket > to refer people there to say "me too". I was about to do that here, > but I see that GtkTreeView finally got drag-select as of gtk+ 2.10. > So I'll have this working in the next release w/gtk+ >= 2.10.0. > (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80127) They /actually/ got it fixed? Next pan against gtk+ >= 2.10.0 will have all methods working? Yeehaw COOL! =8^) > The duplicate articles are a known and fixed bug. However the fix > doesn't retroactively prune out duplicates that you've already > downloaded, so you should rm ~/.pan2/groups/*, then install the > latest version of Pan. Careful, Charles, about recommending blowing away the entire thing. Some of us have customizations we would be rather unhappy if we lost, particularly if we did so just following instructions to fix an entirely unrelated problem. It appears it's the files in the groups subdir that need to be blown away, possibly along with the newsrc files. Do that and redownload and re-mark-read as needed. That'll keep most other settings and cache intact, more so if blowing away the newsrc files can be avoided. ... Talking about which... that reminds me it's about time to do a system backup again... >> - How are the different (primary) newsservers related anyway? I can't >> seem to choose between them or anything. > > Connections are all grouped together in a pool, and a task waiting > in the queue snatches the next available connection in the pool. > First it looks for connections in the primary pool, then the secondary > one, and so on. (ask Duncan about having more than two tiers) I like that pool description. Cleared up the basically accurate but rather fuzzy concept I had of it, as well. =8^) As for more than two tiers, already answered in an earlier reply. =8^) >> - I'd like my times expressed in 24 hour format please. > > This would make a good preferences option. > Please open a bugzilla ticket for this. Glad you agree too. =8^) [snip the rest] -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 28 05:31:07 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSsEV-0002bR-24 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:31:07 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSsET-0002ah-8L for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:31:05 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSsER-0002Zp-KB for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:31:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSsER-0002Zh-6s for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:31:03 -0400 Received: from [213.84.74.36] (helo=smtp.falu.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSsJU-0007hZ-0P for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:36:16 -0400 Received: from radl.falu.nl (IDENT:2945-ident-is-a-completely-pointless-protocol-that-offers-no-security-or-traceability-at-all-so-tak@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.falu.nl (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8S9Uxcw014213; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:31:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from rhialto@localhost) by radl.falu.nl (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id k8S9UxQ5011054; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:30:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:30:59 +0200 From: Rhialto To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Some remarks about the user interface Message-ID: <20060928093059.GC716@falu.nl> References: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:31:05 -0000 Thanks for the replies so far. I'll file some bug reports, as suggested, but probably it'll be after the weekend. On Wed 27 Sep 2006 at 19:23:49 -0500, David Kelly wrote: > components. Think it was "download text" which would download all the > articles available and then one had to yydecode externally. If the > article was not listed in headers then pan 0.14 would assemble > whatever it had and leave the job of repair to par2. Speaking of ydecoding: there was a problem with 0.14, and I haven't been able to check if it is still a problem. The issue was that the offset of the data (ybegin=12345 or something like that) is ignored; the decoded data from all parts is just concatenated, even if that results in duplicate data (which may occur, I have even seen partially overlapping parts in one or two cases), and if there were missing parts the corresponding "hole" in the output between the existing data wasn't there either. As a standalone ydecoder I use something very much like http://www.yenc.org/download/ydec-schellenberger.zip which solves this just fine. -Olaf. -- ___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert -- You author it, and I'll reader it. \X/ rhialto/at/xs4all.nl -- Cetero censeo "authored" delendum esse. From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 28 11:47:59 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSy7D-0005io-Al for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:47:59 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSy7C-0005hd-CE for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:47:58 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSy7A-0005ff-OB for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:47:58 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSy7A-0005fQ-Ks for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:47:56 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSyCG-0008My-VL for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:53:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 15152 invoked by uid 140); 28 Sep 2006 15:48:25 -0000 Received: from nat.nssl.noaa.gov (HELO ?172.16.20.18?) (charles@129.15.69.8) by rebelbase.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 15:48:25 -0000 Message-ID: <451BEE40.9030108@rebelbase.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:46:08 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org References: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> <20060928093059.GC716@falu.nl> In-Reply-To: <20060928093059.GC716@falu.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Some remarks about the user interface X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:47:58 -0000 Rhialto wrote: > On Wed 27 Sep 2006 at 19:23:49 -0500, David Kelly wrote: >> components. Think it was "download text" which would download all the >> articles available and then one had to yydecode externally. If the >> article was not listed in headers then pan 0.14 would assemble >> whatever it had and leave the job of repair to par2. > > Speaking of ydecoding: there was a problem with 0.14, and I haven't been > able to check if it is still a problem. You should test it out in the rewrite before reporting anything. 0.14.x is abandonware at this point, and I typically close 0.14.x bugs if I don't think the code survived the rewrite. Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 28 11:52:55 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSyBz-0001qu-DP for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:52:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSyBy-0001qj-2M for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:52:54 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSyBw-0001or-3U for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:52:53 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSyBv-0001og-TN for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:52:51 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSyH2-0000IG-KV for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:58:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 16277 invoked by uid 140); 28 Sep 2006 15:53:22 -0000 Received: from nat.nssl.noaa.gov (HELO ?172.16.20.18?) (charles@129.15.69.8) by rebelbase.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 15:53:22 -0000 Message-ID: <451BEF69.4050900@rebelbase.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:51:05 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Testers wanted: memory reduction for alt.binaries References: <451A0B9B.4060604@charter.net> <200609270741.51924.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451A2AE9.3090607@charter.net> <200609271017.59570.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451B3407.3030200@rebelbase.com> <451B5D74.20703@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <451B5D74.20703@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:52:54 -0000 fred wrote: > Charles Kerr wrote: >> See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358077 >> for details and the patch. > When I ran make check I got failed adaptable-set-test #17 (or something > close). It seems to be running ok. Peaked at 1.5gb/2.0gb no swap used. > Still downloading. Are you kidding me?! a.b.dvd ate up your 4gb swap in 0.114. I knew this was a good patch, surely you're not telling me it saved 4gb?? Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 28 12:35:35 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GSyrH-0001Ml-8F for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:35:35 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSyrF-0001Lw-2f for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:35:33 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSyqz-0001Df-H0 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:35:22 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSyqz-0001Dc-AU for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:35:17 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.165] (helo=mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSyw6-0004NK-NI for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:40:34 -0400 Received: from mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.133]) by mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8SGZFo2019874 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:35:15 -0400 Received: from 68-184-218-179.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([68.184.218.179]) by mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 28 Sep 2006 12:35:15 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,231,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="751098710:sNHT120849612" Message-ID: <451BFA54.9040204@charter.net> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:37:40 -0500 From: fred User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Testers wanted: memory reduction for alt.binaries References: <451A0B9B.4060604@charter.net> <200609270741.51924.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451A2AE9.3090607@charter.net> <200609271017.59570.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451B3407.3030200@rebelbase.com> <451B5D74.20703@charter.net> <451BEF69.4050900@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <451BEF69.4050900@rebelbase.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:35:33 -0000 Charles Kerr wrote: > fred wrote: >> Charles Kerr wrote: >>> See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358077 >>> for details and the patch. > >> When I ran make check I got failed adaptable-set-test #17 (or >> something close). It seems to be running ok. Peaked at 1.5gb/2.0gb >> no swap used. Still downloading. > > Are you kidding me?! a.b.dvd ate up your 4gb swap in 0.114. > I knew this was a good patch, surely you're not telling me > it saved 4gb?? > > Charles > > > _______________________________________________ > Pan-users mailing list > Pan-users@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users > When I got up it was done downloading. 1.6gb/2.0gb no swap used. Downloading a test iso now to see that there are not any hiccups. Looks like you get a A++ on this one Charles. Thanks Lazlow From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 28 14:33:16 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GT0hA-0000YT-0W for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:33:16 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GT0h8-0000YL-Gc for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:33:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GT0h5-0000Y0-V9 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:33:13 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GT0h5-0000Xw-Qv for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:33:11 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GT0mE-0006TK-7J for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:38:30 -0400 Received: (qmail 6927 invoked by uid 140); 28 Sep 2006 18:33:43 -0000 Received: from nat.nssl.noaa.gov (HELO ?172.16.20.18?) (charles@129.15.69.8) by rebelbase.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 18:33:43 -0000 Message-ID: <451C14F7.6070403@rebelbase.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:31:19 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Testers wanted: memory reduction for alt.binaries References: <451A0B9B.4060604@charter.net> <200609270741.51924.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451A2AE9.3090607@charter.net> <200609271017.59570.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451B3407.3030200@rebelbase.com> <451B5D74.20703@charter.net> <451BEF69.4050900@rebelbase.com> <451BFA54.9040204@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <451BFA54.9040204@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:33:14 -0000 fred wrote: > Charles Kerr wrote: >> Are you kidding me?! a.b.dvd ate up your 4gb swap in 0.114. >> I knew this was a good patch, surely you're not telling me >> it saved 4gb?? > When I got up it was done downloading. 1.6gb/2.0gb no swap used. > Downloading a test iso now to see that there are not any hiccups. > Looks like you get a A++ on this one Charles. I've done a little more testing on this now. I put some print statements in to count how many bytes were saved. For a one-month sample of a.b.dvd, (465420691 bytes, == 443.8 meg) were saved. Pan's footprint was 506 meg, and just starting up Pan costs 33 meg, so a.b.dvd cost (506-33 == 473) meg. So it looks the cost for large groups is cut about in half. I haven't looked at smaller groups yet. They should be helped a little but not as big a percentage as the big groups. The more parts an article has, the more this patch will help. Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 28 17:02:10 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GT31F-0006wE-Sm for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:02:09 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GT31D-0006uY-Qm for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:02:07 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GT31B-0006qU-0O for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:02:07 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GT31A-0006qK-RJ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:02:04 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.130] (helo=mxsf31.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GT36K-000684-OI for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:07:24 -0400 Received: from mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.136]) by mxsf31.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8SL1tlM001750 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:01:55 -0400 Received: from 68-184-218-179.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([68.184.218.179]) by mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 28 Sep 2006 17:01:54 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,231,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="783431748:sNHT22823232" Message-ID: <451C38D4.8010603@charter.net> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:04:20 -0500 From: fred User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Testers wanted: memory reduction for alt.binaries References: <451A0B9B.4060604@charter.net> <200609270741.51924.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451A2AE9.3090607@charter.net> <200609271017.59570.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451B3407.3030200@rebelbase.com> <451B5D74.20703@charter.net> <451BEF69.4050900@rebelbase.com> <451BFA54.9040204@charter.net> <451C14F7.6070403@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <451C14F7.6070403@rebelbase.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:02:08 -0000 Charles Kerr wrote: > fred wrote: >> Charles Kerr wrote: > >>> Are you kidding me?! a.b.dvd ate up your 4gb swap in 0.114. >>> I knew this was a good patch, surely you're not telling me >>> it saved 4gb?? > >> When I got up it was done downloading. 1.6gb/2.0gb no swap used. >> Downloading a test iso now to see that there are not any hiccups. > > Looks like you get a A++ on this one Charles. > > I've done a little more testing on this now. > > I put some print statements in to count how many bytes were saved. > For a one-month sample of a.b.dvd, (465420691 bytes, == 443.8 meg) > were saved. Pan's footprint was 506 meg, and just starting up > Pan costs 33 meg, so a.b.dvd cost (506-33 == 473) meg. > > So it looks the cost for large groups is cut about in half. > > I haven't looked at smaller groups yet. They should be > helped a little but not as big a percentage as the big groups. > The more parts an article has, the more this patch will help. > > Charles > > > _______________________________________________ > Pan-users mailing list > Pan-users@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users > Charles Iso test download went without a hiccup. YAAAY. Couple of odd things, search on a.b.dvd takes a long time 5+ minutes (maybe just due to size?) and it does not seem to surrender memory once it takes it. If I get a.b.dvd headers on screen pan takes 1.6 gb of memory, when I switch to a text only group a.c.p.mainboard.asus it is still using 1.6gb. Should it not free up that memory? Thanks Lazlow From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 28 19:42:35 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GT5WV-0000P8-Pl for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:42:35 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GT5WU-0000Oo-MQ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:42:34 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GT5WQ-0000Nc-PR for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:42:34 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GT5WQ-0000NZ-KM for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:42:30 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GT5bb-0001pL-V2 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:47:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 23761 invoked by uid 140); 28 Sep 2006 23:43:02 -0000 Received: from nat.nssl.noaa.gov (HELO ?172.16.20.18?) (charles@129.15.69.8) by rebelbase.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 23:43:02 -0000 Message-ID: <451C5D77.50509@rebelbase.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:40:39 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org References: <451A0B9B.4060604@charter.net> <200609270741.51924.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451A2AE9.3090607@charter.net> <200609271017.59570.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451B3407.3030200@rebelbase.com> <451B5D74.20703@charter.net> <451BEF69.4050900@rebelbase.com> <451BFA54.9040204@charter.net> <451C14F7.6070403@rebelbase.com> <451C38D4.8010603@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <451C38D4.8010603@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Pan-users] Memory update: using 55% less memory than 0.114... X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:42:35 -0000 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358077 now has a third draft of the patch which digs a little deeper for memory. Here's a top snapshot of 0.114 (pan-old) vs. 0.114 + patch #3 (pan-new). Both were started and then loaded a 30 day snapshot of a.b.dvd. PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 10331 charles 15 0 917m 910m 9.8m S 0 25.8 0:21.99 pan-old 10319 charles 16 0 400m 392m 9992 S 0 11.1 0:18.80 pan-new cheers, Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 28 19:49:12 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GT5cu-0004YU-P0 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:49:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GT5ct-0004W4-Ap for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:49:11 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GT5cs-0004UR-Gw for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:49:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GT5cs-0004UH-Dt for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:49:10 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GT5i3-0002Ig-Ps for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:54:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 24501 invoked by uid 140); 28 Sep 2006 23:49:45 -0000 Received: from nat.nssl.noaa.gov (HELO ?172.16.20.18?) (charles@129.15.69.8) by rebelbase.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 23:49:45 -0000 Message-ID: <451C5F0B.7020606@rebelbase.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:47:23 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Some remarks about the user interface References: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> <451B05C8.400@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:49:11 -0000 Duncan wrote: > Charles Kerr posted > 451B05C8.400@rebelbase.com, excerpted below, on Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:14:16 > -0500: > >> The duplicate articles are a known and fixed bug. However the fix >> doesn't retroactively prune out duplicates that you've already >> downloaded, so you should rm ~/.pan2/groups/*, then install the >> latest version of Pan. > > Careful, Charles, about recommending blowing away the entire thing. Some > of us have customizations we would be rather unhappy if we lost, > particularly if we did so just following instructions to fix an entirely > unrelated problem. There aren't any customizations in ~/.pan2/groups/*. The only thing you'll lose from rm ~/.pan2/groups/* is the files that have the duplicate headers listed in them. Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 28 20:48:24 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GT6YB-00053D-Vh for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:48:24 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GT6Y9-000521-IX for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:48:21 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GT6Y3-00051b-4i for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:48:20 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GT6Y3-00051Y-03 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:48:15 -0400 Received: from [205.166.61.207] (helo=smtp0.ctinetworks.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GT6dE-0008Df-5f for pan-users@nongnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:53:36 -0400 Received: from ghidorah (dsl-206-251-7-197.dsl0.crls.pa.net [206.251.7.197]) by smtp0.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4213C1C562 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:47:45 -0400 From: Douglas Bollinger To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Memory update: using 55% less memory than 0.114... Message-Id: <20060928204745.fe024386.dcb@pa.net> In-Reply-To: <451C5D77.50509@rebelbase.com> References: <451A0B9B.4060604@charter.net> <200609270741.51924.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451A2AE9.3090607@charter.net> <200609271017.59570.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451B3407.3030200@rebelbase.com> <451B5D74.20703@charter.net> <451BEF69.4050900@rebelbase.com> <451BFA54.9040204@charter.net> <451C14F7.6070403@rebelbase.com> <451C38D4.8010603@charter.net> <451C5D77.50509@rebelbase.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.7 (GTK+ 2.8.19; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ctinetworks-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ctinetworks-VirusCheck: Found to be clean X-ctinetworks-SpamCheck: X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:48:22 -0000 On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:40:39 -0500 Charles Kerr wrote: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358077 now has a > third draft of the patch which digs a little deeper for memory. > > Here's a top snapshot of 0.114 (pan-old) vs. 0.114 + patch #3 (pan-new). > Both were started and then loaded a 30 day snapshot of a.b.dvd. > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > 10331 charles 15 0 917m 910m 9.8m S 0 25.8 0:21.99 pan-old > 10319 charles 16 0 400m 392m 9992 S 0 11.1 0:18.80 pan-new Awesome! Certainly quite an improvement from old-Pan days. Now I don't need 2 Gigs of RAM to load large binary groups. -- An optimist is a guy that has never had much experience. -- Don Marquis From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 28 21:05:04 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GT6oK-0001Ck-6s for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:05:04 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GT6oI-0001C8-5l for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:05:02 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GT6oE-0001Au-F6 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:05:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GT6oE-0001Aq-CL for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:04:58 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GT6tP-0001iU-4T for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:10:19 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GT6lv-0000n9-PZ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 03:02:35 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 03:02:35 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 03:02:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:55:21 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> <451B05C8.400@rebelbase.com> <451C5F0B.7020606@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Some remarks about the user interface X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:05:02 -0000 Charles Kerr posted 451C5F0B.7020606@rebelbase.com, excerpted below, on Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:47:23 -0500: > Duncan wrote: >> Charles Kerr posted >> 451B05C8.400@rebelbase.com, excerpted below, >> on Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:14:16 -0500: > > >>> so you should rm ~/.pan2/groups/*, then install the latest >>> version of Pan. >> >> Careful, Charles, about recommending blowing away the entire thing. >> Some of us have customizations we would be rather unhappy if we lost > > There aren't any customizations in ~/.pan2/groups/*. > > The only thing you'll lose from rm ~/.pan2/groups/* is the files that > have the duplicate headers listed in them. My bad! Somehow I missed the /groups/ part, and interpreted it as all of ~/.pan2. *BIG* difference! Maybe that system backup (umm, make it restore in this case) I mentioned needs to be done on my brain, too. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 29 13:35:40 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTMGy-0006AZ-5g for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:35:40 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTMGw-00066e-AC for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:35:38 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTMGs-00064L-OX for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:35:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTMGs-00064I-JD for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:35:34 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTMME-0007ss-Dz for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:41:06 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GTMGM-0006R8-4P for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:35:02 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:35:02 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:35:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:58:54 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> <451B1A4D.10005@deadlazlosplace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Re: Some remarks about the user interface X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:35:38 -0000 On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:41:49 -0400, jef_e wrote: > > I make use of all 3 methods that use a mouse (4 if you count > double-clicking a single article), but never use just keyboard. I've > lost a major selection method -- when trying to clean out some of the > huge binary groups, I liked to just sit back, drag-select and let the > headers scroll by. No movement required on my part until I saw a point > where I wanted to stop selecting. At that point, a quick move up to > Articles/Delete - or a quick jab at the Delete key. Would you explain how you drag-select and what that accomplishes, please? thanks, Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 29 18:24:30 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTQmT-0000T1-TA for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:24:29 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTQmS-0000St-5D for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:24:28 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTQmN-0000ST-Iu for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:24:26 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTQmN-0000SQ-Da for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:24:23 -0400 Received: from [204.10.36.147] (helo=a.mx.rebelbase.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTQrl-0006kx-T4 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:29:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 16849 invoked by uid 140); 29 Sep 2006 22:25:07 -0000 Received: from nat.nssl.noaa.gov (HELO ?172.16.20.18?) (charles@129.15.69.8) by rebelbase.com with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 29 Sep 2006 22:25:07 -0000 Message-ID: <451D9C9D.7090004@rebelbase.com> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:22:21 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Memory update: using 55% less memory than 0.114... References: <451A0B9B.4060604@charter.net> <200609270741.51924.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451A2AE9.3090607@charter.net> <200609271017.59570.csv4me@xs4all.nl> <451B3407.3030200@rebelbase.com> <451B5D74.20703@charter.net> <451BEF69.4050900@rebelbase.com> <451BFA54.9040204@charter.net> <451C14F7.6070403@rebelbase.com> <451C38D4.8010603@charter.net> <451C5D77.50509@rebelbase.com> <20060928204745.fe024386.dcb@pa.net> In-Reply-To: <20060928204745.fe024386.dcb@pa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:24:28 -0000 Douglas Bollinger wrote: > On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:40:39 -0500 > Charles Kerr wrote: > >> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358077 now has a >> third draft of the patch which digs a little deeper for memory. >> >> Here's a top snapshot of 0.114 (pan-old) vs. 0.114 + patch #3 (pan-new). >> Both were started and then loaded a 30 day snapshot of a.b.dvd. >> >> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND >> 10331 charles 15 0 917m 910m 9.8m S 0 25.8 0:21.99 pan-old >> 10319 charles 16 0 400m 392m 9992 S 0 11.1 0:18.80 pan-new > > Awesome! Certainly quite an improvement from old-Pan days. Now I don't need > 2 Gigs of RAM to load large binary groups. New snapshot, same testing conditions: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 28213 charles 16 0 357m 350m 10m S 0 9.9 0:18.95 pan I'm running out of tricks, though. :) Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 29 20:14:24 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTSUq-000844-CA for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:14:24 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTSUo-00081i-Dg for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:14:22 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTSUm-00080e-78 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:14:21 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTSUm-00080b-0k for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:14:20 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.174] (helo=mxsf42.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTSaB-0006gv-R1 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:19:56 -0400 Received: from mxip35a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip35a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.250]) by mxsf42.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8U0EIZx026188 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:14:18 -0400 Received: from 68-184-218-179.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([68.184.218.179]) by mxip35a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 29 Sep 2006 20:14:18 -0400 Message-ID: <451DB771.6010804@charter.net> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:16:49 -0500 From: fred User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Pan-users] Get new Headers? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 00:14:22 -0000 Hey Guys I may be a little confused about get new headers in selected groups. I thought that it meant get all the headers that are newer than my current newest header. When I got new headers in selected groups I jump from Sept 20 to Sept 28 with no headers in between (yes there are posts which should be there). I am running 0.114 with patch 3. So what happened (guesses are ok) and how do I fill in the missing headers without getting all the headers?(large group) Thanks Lazlow From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 29 21:06:15 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTJ1-00027D-IY for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:06:15 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTJ0-00025w-IQ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:06:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTIz-00024C-7J for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:06:14 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTIz-000245-02 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:06:13 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTTOP-000366-4U for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:11:49 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTIu-0006qO-QY for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:06:08 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-201-140.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.201.140]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:06:08 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-201-140.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:06:08 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <451DB771.6010804@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-201-140.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Get new Headers? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:06:14 -0000 On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:16:49 -0500, fred wrote: > Hey Guys > > I may be a little confused about get new headers in selected groups. I > thought that it meant get all the headers that are newer than my current > newest header. Yes, I always assumed the same thing, and I've never noticed any behavior which is contrary to that assumption. > When I got new headers in selected groups What selection method did you use? Did you select multiple groups from the group pane, or perhaps you were already reading the 'selected' group in the header or body pane? Are you using multiple news servers? > I am running 0.114 with patch 3... I'm lagging behind! I applied one patch to 0.114 dealing with memory management -- I had no idea there were two other patches :o( Where are you getting these patches? From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 29 21:08:42 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTLO-0003Xb-KI for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:08:42 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTLN-0003XQ-Ha for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:08:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTLM-0003XE-Vv for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:08:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTLM-0003X8-RZ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:08:40 -0400 Received: from [66.93.4.40] (helo=lister.deadlazlosplace.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTTQn-0003Mw-24 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:14:17 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (lazarus.deadlazlosplace.com [66.93.4.97]) by lister.deadlazlosplace.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k8U18Zna004504 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <451DC3B1.7060704@deadlazlosplace.com> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:09:05 -0400 From: jef_e User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Re: Some remarks about the user interface References: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> <451B1A4D.10005@deadlazlosplace.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:08:41 -0000 Thufir wrote: > On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:41:49 -0400, jef_e wrote: > >> I make use of all 3 methods that use a mouse (4 if you count >> double-clicking a single article), but never use just keyboard. I've >> lost a major selection method -- when trying to clean out some of the >> huge binary groups, I liked to just sit back, drag-select and let the >> headers scroll by. No movement required on my part until I saw a point >> where I wanted to stop selecting. At that point, a quick move up to >> Articles/Delete - or a quick jab at the Delete key. > > Would you explain how you drag-select and what that accomplishes, please? Basically, in the Header pane, you click and hold on an article, then drag your mouse down (or up) the list of headers, stopping wherever you please. I find it most convenient for multipart articles that I want. Click-hold on part 1, then drag until I get to the last part. Let go, then right click and save them. No need to touch the keyboard as with the Shift-select or ctrl-select. From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 29 21:14:38 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTR8-0005dx-71 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:14:38 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTR6-0005dl-OS for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:14:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTR5-0005dZ-6J for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:14:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTR4-0005dW-Uu for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:14:34 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTTWV-0004JL-4m for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:20:11 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTQv-0000GI-KV for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:14:25 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:14:25 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:14:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <451DB771.6010804@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Get new Headers? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:14:37 -0000 fred posted 451DB771.6010804@charter.net, excerpted below, on Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:16:49 -0500: > I may be a little confused about get new headers in selected groups. I > thought that it meant get all the headers that are newer than my current > newest header. When I got new headers in selected groups I jump from Sept > 20 to Sept 28 with no headers in between (yes there are posts which should > be there). I am running 0.114 with patch 3. So what happened (guesses are > ok) and how do I fill in the missing headers without getting all the > headers?(large group) New headers /should/ mean what you thought. There are a couple reasons why it might not, however. First, there's a get X days worth of headers option and a get the last N headers option. You didn't happen to do one of those instead of get new headers I don't suppose? Second, you say there are posts in the middle, but how do you know that? If you don't specifically know that they are on your server (you checked with a different news client, say), perhaps the server hiccuped and doesn't have the missing days' messages to download. Third, maybe there's something strange going on with the xref numbering (per group serial numbered per server, normally) on your server. It could also be a pan bug, but I'm not sure how to debug it. Maybe Charles has an idea. Anyway, presuming it's not a server or xref sequence issue, the get headers from server dialog, using the get N days or get N recent headers, should hopefully cure the issue. Last time I tried something similar was before the duplicate posts patch (in 0.113 or 0.114 I think) and I ended up with a bunch of duplicates, but that issue /should/ be resolved now, so hopefully it works without issue for you. You might also try deleting the ~/.pan2/groups dir, or only the files therein from the offending groups if it isn't all of them. I'd actually rename instead of delete, to test it, then delete if it fixed the issue or restore the old files if not and you don't want to lose the data therein. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 29 21:40:12 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTps-00004u-5g for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:40:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTpq-0008Vp-S9 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:40:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTpq-0008VQ-Hy for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:40:10 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTpq-0008VL-9Q for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:40:10 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTTvG-0006Rh-Q5 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:45:47 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GTTpi-00052l-Io for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:40:02 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:40:02 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:40:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:35:47 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <451DB771.6010804@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Get new Headers? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:40:11 -0000 "walt" posted efkftj$v4t$1@sea.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:05:55 +0000: >> I am running 0.114 with patch 3... > > I'm lagging behind! I applied one patch to 0.114 dealing with memory > management -- I had no idea there were two other patches :o( Where are > you getting these patches? There have been three versions of that same patch, each successively better with memory than the previous. I expect that's what he's referring too. =8^) So go back to the same bug and download the latest patch and apply it. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 29 21:53:23 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTU2d-0002V7-O2 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:53:23 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTU2c-0002Uw-7j for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:53:22 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTU2a-0002TZ-NJ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:53:21 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTU2a-0002TM-H0 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:53:20 -0400 Received: from [206.46.252.42] (helo=vms042pub.verizon.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTU81-0007CH-3j for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:58:57 -0400 Received: from MATRIX2 ([71.112.233.94]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J6D00KMBUKFL4I5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:53:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:53:03 -0700 From: "Travis" Subject: RE: [Pan-users] Re: Get new Headers? In-reply-to: To: Message-id: <000001c6e433$2b24e0e0$6501a8c0@MATRIX2> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AcbkMWlu+t1uPD2aShqDv72W+LQGVAAAZjPg X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:53:22 -0000 ----Original Message---- From: pan-users-bounces+travis.shorelinewa=verizon.net@nongnu.org [mailto:pan-users-bounces+travis.shorelinewa=verizon.net@nongn u.org] On Behalf Of Duncan Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 18:36 To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Get new Headers? > "walt" posted > efkftj$v4t$1@sea.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Sat, 30 Sep 2006 > 01:05:55 +0000: > >>> I am running 0.114 with patch 3... >> >> I'm lagging behind! I applied one patch to 0.114 dealing with memory >> management -- I had no idea there were two other patches :o( Where >> are you getting these patches? > > There have been three versions of that same patch, each > successively better with memory than the previous. I expect > that's what he's referring too. =8^) > > So go back to the same bug and download the latest patch and > apply it. =8^) Can the patches be applied to the Winders XP version of 0.114? -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 29 22:30:36 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTUce-0000gy-88 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:30:36 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTUcd-0000ge-4Z for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:30:35 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTUca-0000gP-HS for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:30:33 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTUca-0000gM-Dr for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:30:32 -0400 Received: from [24.214.63.101] (helo=smtp.knology.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTUi1-0001xm-Fk for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:36:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 22360 invoked by uid 0); 30 Sep 2006 02:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.2?) (216.186.148.249) by smtp3.knology.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2006 02:30:30 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <451DC3B1.7060704@deadlazlosplace.com> References: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> <451B1A4D.10005@deadlazlosplace.com> <451DC3B1.7060704@deadlazlosplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Kelly Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Re: Some remarks about the user interface Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:30:28 -0500 To: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:30:35 -0000 On Sep 29, 2006, at 8:09 PM, jef_e wrote: >> Would you explain how you drag-select and what that accomplishes, >> please? > > Basically, in the Header pane, you click and hold on an article, then > drag your mouse down (or up) the list of headers, stopping wherever > you > please. > > I find it most convenient for multipart articles that I want. Click- > hold > on part 1, then drag until I get to the last part. Let go, then right > click and save them. No need to touch the keyboard as with the > Shift-select or ctrl-select. Yeah, what Jef_e said. Click-hold-drag-release vs Click-release-move-Shift-Click The end result is the same, its just that click-drag is simpler and widely implemented elsewhere, including most places in old-pan. IIRC click-drag does not work in old pan's Task Manager list. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 29 22:55:53 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTV17-0006VU-16 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:55:53 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTV15-0006R2-1S for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:55:51 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTV14-0006PB-93 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:55:50 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTV14-0006Oj-1u for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:55:50 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.204] (helo=mxsf04.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTV6V-0003fj-99 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:01:27 -0400 Received: from mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.131]) by mxsf04.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8U2tmOJ018165 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:55:48 -0400 Received: from 68-184-218-179.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([68.184.218.179]) by mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 29 Sep 2006 22:55:47 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,238,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="573741937:sNHT39003862" Message-ID: <451DDD4B.3090600@charter.net> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:58:19 -0500 From: fred User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Get new Headers? References: <451DB771.6010804@charter.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:55:51 -0000 Duncan wrote: > fred posted > 451DB771.6010804@charter.net, excerpted below, on Fri, 29 Sep 2006 > 19:16:49 -0500: > > >> I may be a little confused about get new headers in selected groups. I >> thought that it meant get all the headers that are newer than my current >> newest header. When I got new headers in selected groups I jump from Sept >> 20 to Sept 28 with no headers in between (yes there are posts which should >> be there). I am running 0.114 with patch 3. So what happened (guesses are >> ok) and how do I fill in the missing headers without getting all the >> headers?(large group) >> > > New headers /should/ mean what you thought. There are a couple reasons > why it might not, however. First, there's a get X days worth of headers > option and a get the last N headers option. You didn't happen to do one > of those instead of get new headers I don't suppose? > > Second, you say there are posts in the middle, but how do you know that? > If you don't specifically know that they are on your server (you checked > with a different news client, say), perhaps the server hiccuped and > doesn't have the missing days' messages to download. > > Third, maybe there's something strange going on with the xref numbering > (per group serial numbered per server, normally) on your server. > > It could also be a pan bug, but I'm not sure how to debug it. Maybe > Charles has an idea. > > Anyway, presuming it's not a server or xref sequence issue, the get > headers from server dialog, using the get N days or get N recent headers, > should hopefully cure the issue. Last time I tried something similar was > before the duplicate posts patch (in 0.113 or 0.114 I think) and I ended > up with a bunch of duplicates, but that issue /should/ be resolved now, so > hopefully it works without issue for you. > > You might also try deleting the ~/.pan2/groups dir, or only the files > therein from the offending groups if it isn't all of them. I'd actually > rename instead of delete, to test it, then delete if it fixed the issue or > restore the old files if not and you don't want to lose the data therein. > > Normally I just highlight the group, right click, get new headers. I checked it against klibido. Same server, only one server. I am getting last 10 days per described method. Maybe mixing pre-patch with patch gotten headers (or maybe operator error). Would the xref thing screw with pan but not klibido? Later patch versions are in the same place as the first patch. See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358077 Thanks Lazlow From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Sep 29 23:42:11 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTVju-0003Ka-Tw for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:42:11 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTVjs-0003Im-6Q for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:42:08 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTVjn-0003G3-RJ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:42:05 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTVjn-0003Fn-1R for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:42:03 -0400 Received: from [70.168.83.81] (helo=centrmmtao03.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTVpE-0000E1-M0 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:47:40 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by centrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060930034202.XDFO27431.centrmmtao03.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:42:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id UThd1V00E4amFmC0000000 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:41:37 -0400 Message-ID: <451DE788.3000700@rebelbase.com> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:42:00 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Get new Headers? References: <451DB771.6010804@charter.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:42:09 -0000 Duncan wrote: > "walt" posted > efkftj$v4t$1@sea.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:05:55 > +0000: > >>> I am running 0.114 with patch 3... >> I'm lagging behind! I applied one patch to 0.114 dealing with memory >> management -- I had no idea there were two other patches :o( Where are >> you getting these patches? > > There have been three versions of that same patch, each successively > better with memory than the previous. I expect that's what he's referring > too. =8^) > > So go back to the same bug and download the latest patch and apply it. =8^) Actually now we're down to 310m in my test case (from 917m in 0.114), but the code changes are starting to bump into other patches, so instead of continuing to update that bug ticket I think I'll just release 0.115 tomorrow. =) Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 02:29:16 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTYLb-00024b-Tx for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:29:15 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTYLa-00024W-12 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:29:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTYLY-00024K-F4 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:29:13 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTYLY-00024H-7V for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:29:12 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTYR1-0004Lu-GA for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:34:51 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GTYLP-0001rY-NQ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:29:03 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:29:03 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:29:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <451DB771.6010804@charter.net> <451DDD4B.3090600@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Get new Headers? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:29:14 -0000 fred posted 451DDD4B.3090600@charter.net, excerpted below, on Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:58:19 -0500: > Normally I just highlight the group, right click, get new headers. I > checked it against klibido. Same server, only one server. I am getting > last 10 days per described method. Maybe mixing pre-patch with patch > gotten headers (or maybe operator error). Would the xref thing screw with > pan but not klibido? Later patch versions are in the same place as the > first patch. See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358077 BTW, how's klibido doing lately and how does pan speed and memory usage compare? I was running klibido for awhile before new-pan came around, but haven't used it in awhile as I had other stuff than bunni-news to do, then new-pan got good enough I didn't have to worry about it. Charles has asked me (if it's still significantly better performing, then he knows there should be some more tricks to find to bring pan into shape, if not, then there may or may not be, in addition to the friendly competition thing, of course) as he knows I used to run it, but I had to say I couldn't give him anything on current klibido as I simply hadn't tried it. To your xref question... I'm not sure whether it would affect klibido or not as I'm not sure how it manages downloads, but it's server-side and would affect the many clients that track messages using this convenient sequential method. The thing is, while convenient for single-server or separate server oriented clients, because xref is server specific, it's not so convenient for combined view message tracking. I know rather less about the alternatives tho than I'd like, so can't really do a comparison, and while I believe I have a vague understanding of how overviews and xref works, without even a vague understanding of the alternatives, I can't say how practical they are in terms of tracking, nor how likely it might be that klibido uses xref tracking in comparison to the alternatives. If that makes any sense... The sort form is I don't know enough about it to even venture a half-informed speculation. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 02:35:18 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTYRS-0002zy-5Z for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:35:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTYRQ-0002zg-AK for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:35:16 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTYRO-0002yV-TM for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:35:15 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTYRO-0002yO-Ql for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:35:14 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTYWs-0004jv-4N for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:40:54 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GTYRC-0002uu-9i for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:35:02 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:35:02 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:35:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <451DB771.6010804@charter.net> <451DE788.3000700@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Get new Headers? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:35:16 -0000 Charles Kerr posted 451DE788.3000700@rebelbase.com, excerpted below, on Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:42:00 -0500: > Actually now we're down to 310m in my test case (from 917m in 0.114), but > the code changes are starting to bump into other patches, so instead of > continuing to update that bug ticket I think I'll just release 0.115 > tomorrow. =) =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 03:55:50 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTZhN-0004gs-MU for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:55:49 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTZhL-0004gH-LA for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:55:47 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTZhK-0004g5-Sk for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:55:47 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTZhK-0004g2-PL for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:55:46 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.212] (helo=mxsf12.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTZmo-00030X-SF for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:01:27 -0400 Received: from mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.138]) by mxsf12.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8U7tjdK018854 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:55:45 -0400 Received: from 68-184-218-179.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([68.184.218.179]) by mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 30 Sep 2006 03:55:46 -0400 Message-ID: <451E239A.40703@charter.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:58:18 -0500 From: fred User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Get new Headers? References: <451DB771.6010804@charter.net> <451DDD4B.3090600@charter.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 07:55:47 -0000 Duncan wrote: > fred posted > 451DDD4B.3090600@charter.net, excerpted below, on Fri, 29 Sep 2006 > 21:58:19 -0500: > > >> Normally I just highlight the group, right click, get new headers. I >> checked it against klibido. Same server, only one server. I am getting >> last 10 days per described method. Maybe mixing pre-patch with patch >> gotten headers (or maybe operator error). Would the xref thing screw with >> pan but not klibido? Later patch versions are in the same place as the >> first patch. See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358077 >> > > BTW, how's klibido doing lately and how does pan speed and memory usage > compare? I was running klibido for awhile before new-pan came around, but > haven't used it in awhile as I had other stuff than bunni-news to do, then > new-pan got good enough I didn't have to worry about it. Charles has > asked me (if it's still significantly better performing, then he knows > there should be some more tricks to find to bring pan into shape, if > not, then there may or may not be, in addition to the friendly > competition thing, of course) as he knows I used to run it, but I had to > say I couldn't give him anything on current klibido as I simply hadn't > tried it. > > To your xref question... I'm not sure whether it would affect klibido or > not as I'm not sure how it manages downloads, but it's server-side and > would affect the many clients that track messages using this convenient > sequential method. The thing is, while convenient for single-server or > separate server oriented clients, because xref is server specific, it's > not so convenient for combined view message tracking. I know rather less > about the alternatives tho than I'd like, so can't really do a comparison, > and while I believe I have a vague understanding of how overviews and xref > works, without even a vague understanding of the alternatives, I can't say > how practical they are in terms of tracking, nor how likely it might be > that klibido uses xref tracking in comparison to the alternatives. > > If that makes any sense... The sort form is I don't know enough about it > to even venture a half-informed speculation. > > Referring to klibido 0.2.5 (?or something close) memory should be about the same as 0.115. Download speed seems faster in klibido (same # of connections). I know it makes no sense and I have not timed it. Updating headers is much, much, faster in klibido. Switching from group to group is also faster. But if I run klibido I have to run something else to run text. Stability is another issue. About once a month klibido blows up a.b.dvd. Just have to delete it and start over(PITA). Disk space on klibido 2.6gb, pan 7.4 gb same groups subscribed(ok pan has a.c.p.mainboard.asus text). Maybe some temp files being stored? But I "understand" pan's logic or feel a lot better than I do klibido. When I downloaded last 10 days (missing posts problem) everything came into line. So I will assume that the operator had a brain fart. Lazlow From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 04:05:29 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTZqj-00083X-CS for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:05:29 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTZqg-00082F-M5 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:05:26 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTZqd-00081i-Ra for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:05:25 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTZqd-00081a-8Z for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:05:23 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTZw7-0003xp-D9 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:11:03 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GTZqT-00033v-69 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:05:13 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.209]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:05:13 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:05:13 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <451DB771.6010804@charter.net> <451DDD4B.3090600@charter.net> <451E239A.40703@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-209.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Get new Headers? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:05:27 -0000 fred posted 451E239A.40703@charter.net, excerpted below, on Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:58:18 -0500: > When I downloaded last 10 days (missing posts problem) everything came > into line. So I will assume that the operator had a brain fart. Glad it helped. I'd say something "farted", but whether it was operator brain or computer brain, yours or the servers, or weird connection fart (router fart? modem fart? physical medium fart?, power fart causing one of the above?), who knows, and who cares as long as it doesn't start happening repeatedly?! =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 12:20:38 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GThZu-0004mz-Ap for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:20:38 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GThZs-0004mu-MY for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:20:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GThZp-0004mi-KP for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:20:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GThZp-0004mf-He for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:20:33 -0400 Received: from [70.168.83.80] (helo=centrmmtao04.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GThfO-0002XN-Lf for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:26:18 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060930162032.RCJI14774.centrmmtao04.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:20:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id UgL51V00G4amFmC0000000 Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:20:07 -0400 Message-ID: <451E994C.8010506@rebelbase.com> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:20:28 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org References: <451DB771.6010804@charter.net> <451DDD4B.3090600@charter.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Pan-users] Klibido and Pan (Was: Get new Headers?) X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:20:37 -0000 Duncan wrote: > BTW, how's klibido doing lately and how does pan speed and memory usage > compare? I was running klibido for awhile before new-pan came around, but > haven't used it in awhile as I had other stuff than bunni-news to do, then > new-pan got good enough I didn't have to worry about it. Charles has > asked me (if it's still significantly better performing, then he knows > there should be some more tricks to find to bring pan into shape. I played with klibido a little bit this week. I like it and found much worth stealing. =) I particularly liked the 'parts' column in the header window, that the task window showed completed tasks, and how you could see information about each part of a multipart. klibido has a speed/memory advantage over Pan 0.115, though the advantage is much, much smaller than it was a week ago. =) From what I can tell it's because klibido keeps most of its data stored in a berkeley database file, which has tradeoffs. We've kicked that Idea around for Pan before, and maybe that's something for the future (though I've had such horrible luck with Berkeley's stability that I'd rather use sqlite...) On the other hand klibido is a grabber, so it doesn't have anything you'd want for text newsgroups -- threading, charsets, quoting, scorefiles, GNKSA, etc. That's not a bad thing, but a difference in focus from Pan, which tries to be very good in both worlds. Also, I like their complete/incomplete multipart icons. ;) cheers, Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 12:34:06 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GThmv-0001vK-Q1 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:34:05 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GThmt-0001uM-T7 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:34:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GThmq-0001sH-5T for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:34:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GThmp-0001sC-UX for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:33:59 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.229] (helo=mxsf29.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GThsP-0004bO-7J for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:39:45 -0400 Received: from mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.131]) by mxsf29.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8UGXwKH029484 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:33:59 -0400 Received: from 68-184-218-179.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([68.184.218.179]) by mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 30 Sep 2006 12:33:59 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,240,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="576145183:sNHT39262236" Message-ID: <451E9D12.6050806@charter.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:36:34 -0500 From: fred User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Pan-users] Mutlipart posts? X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:34:05 -0000 Hey Guys With all the memory improvements lately (thanks Charles really helped me a lot) I was wondering if pan could carry it to the screen. When you have multipart post like partX.rar could pan stack them so all one would see is one entry. This is assuming that they are already being stored as something like varible+varitation.rar. You could view what part is missing essentially by hitting a icon of some sort. This would clean up the header subject area and make it easier to find stuff. Depending on how it was done I would assume it could speed up sorting time as well. Just a thought. Thanks Lazlow From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 13:36:02 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTiks-0007ei-HA for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:36:02 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTikr-0007dU-0n for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:36:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTikp-0007bn-Ci for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:36:00 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTikm-0007Yj-Ag; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:35:56 -0400 Received: from [68.230.240.33] (helo=eastrmmtao06.cox.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTiqM-0001U3-45; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:41:42 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060930173555.WUCI18839.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net>; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:35:55 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.99] ([68.12.65.212]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id UhbW1V00N4amFmC0000000 Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:35:30 -0400 Message-ID: <451EAAFA.8090709@rebelbase.com> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:35:54 -0500 From: Charles Kerr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org, pan-announce@nongnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.115 "Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:36:01 -0000 September 30, 2006 - Pan 0.115: "Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar" This is "weekly" beta #26(!) of a full Pan redesign and rewrite in C++. The quick turnaround time between each beta is to squash as many bugs as possible before the pending 1.0 release. Feedback and bug reports are very much encouraged. This is the last `big change' release before 1.0. The big news this week is a series of optimizations that cut memory use in big groups by about 60%! This is huge news for alt.binaries readers. Bug Tickets addressed in this release: 358077 cut memory use by about 60% for large binaries groups 358204 cut group loading time by 20% 357863 marking an article unread does not update grouplist. 349012 header pane's mouse-drag-select works in gtk+ 2.10. 358305 make tasks window clearer 358409 automatic radio button checking in save dialog 357698 part two of the followup-charset bug. 358073 the error log should give more helpful NNTP error messages. cheers, Charles From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 14:26:09 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTjXN-0000cu-6U for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:26:09 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTjXL-0000cE-JA for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:26:07 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTjXJ-0000bT-SZ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:26:07 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTjXJ-0000bJ-Jd for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:26:05 -0400 Received: from [66.249.92.169] (helo=ug-out-1314.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTjct-0006Wu-Tc for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:31:52 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j40so359630ugd for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:26:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HnXuIz70C9vg7Cvk9IYzSBKA0smI/CvxH8lpsaHhJGuAAa1N+Bos9aZMXPTo99C4/Ik3xxHzWc063O8FoziQQWg0cc4NQwB7JEpfkfWkzfY/xbUmgsuyjmBIqxSFEQGfyP/x/Gsju0r4P/Dv6fUVlu0SoYSPvjdLbcLfrJsQUfc= Received: by 10.67.117.18 with SMTP id u18mr1137856ugm; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.102? ( [90.5.120.166]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e23sm3395802ugd.2006.09.30.11.26.03; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <451EB6C1.2080802@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:26:09 +0200 From: Frederic Bezies User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1 (X11/20060929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.115 "Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar" References: <451EAAFA.8090709@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <451EAAFA.8090709@rebelbase.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:26:07 -0000 Le 30.09.2006 19:37, Charles Kerr a écrit : > September 30, 2006 - Pan 0.115: "Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar" Well, I don't have a job now, but sure, as soon as I can :) > > This is "weekly" beta #26(!) of a full Pan redesign and rewrite in C++. > The quick turnaround time between each beta is to squash as many bugs > as possible before the pending 1.0 release. Feedback and bug reports > are very much encouraged. Is "how to improve it now" a good feedback ? > > This is the last `big change' release before 1.0. The big news > this week is a series of optimizations that cut memory use in > big groups by about 60%! This is huge news for alt.binaries readers. 0.115 = 1.0rc1 ?! [buglist] Thanks a lot for your great work... I don't even know what is a crasher now :) -- Frederic Bezies - fredbezies@gmail.com From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 15:13:51 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTkHX-0006Uh-6m for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:13:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTkHV-0006SJ-Fw for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:13:49 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTkHU-0006R3-IL for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:13:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTkHU-0006Qu-E2 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:13:48 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTkN5-0002C7-3y for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:19:35 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GTkHQ-0006dw-2U for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:13:44 +0200 Received: from ckr72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl ([83.31.93.72]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:13:44 +0200 Received: from arturj.usenet by ckr72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:13:44 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Artur Jachacy" Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <451EAAFA.8090709__27274.9840900817$1159637851$gmane$org@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ckr72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl User-Agent: pan 0.115 (Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar) Hamster/2.1.0.11 Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.115 "Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:13:50 -0000 On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:35:54 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: > September 30, 2006 - Pan 0.115: "Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar" LOL Windows build is up. A. -- I'm afraid I just blue myself. Pan for Windows (beta) - From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 15:29:02 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTkWE-0005rb-RE for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:29:02 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTkWC-0005qG-HA for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:29:00 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTkWA-0005pU-Ao for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:28:59 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTkWA-0005pK-1f for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:28:58 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTkbk-0003hi-LO for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:34:45 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GTkW2-00013d-Oc for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:28:50 +0200 Received: from s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net ([24.84.131.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:28:50 +0200 Received: from hawat.thufir by s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:28:50 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: Thufir Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:27:50 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> <451B1A4D.10005@deadlazlosplace.com> <451DC3B1.7060704@deadlazlosplace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s01060004e2917d65.vc.shawcable.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Re: Re: Some remarks about the user interface X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:29:01 -0000 On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:09:05 -0400, jef_e wrote: > Thufir wrote: >> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:41:49 -0400, jef_e wrote: >> >>> I make use of all 3 methods that use a mouse (4 if you count >>> double-clicking a single article), but never use just keyboard. I've >>> lost a major selection method -- when trying to clean out some of the >>> huge binary groups, I liked to just sit back, drag-select and let the >>> headers scroll by. No movement required on my part until I saw a point >>> where I wanted to stop selecting. At that point, a quick move up to >>> Articles/Delete - or a quick jab at the Delete key. >> >> Would you explain how you drag-select and what that accomplishes, please? > > Basically, in the Header pane, you click and hold on an article, then > drag your mouse down (or up) the list of headers, stopping wherever you > please. > > I find it most convenient for multipart articles that I want. Click-hold > on part 1, then drag until I get to the last part. Let go, then right > click and save them. No need to touch the keyboard as with the > Shift-select or ctrl-select. Ah, so, when there's a red puzzle piece, you're downloading all the attachments, with just your mouse? -Thufir From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 16:52:45 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTlpF-0002PM-D1 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:52:45 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTlpC-0002P6-GQ for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:52:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTlp9-0002OT-Uq for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:52:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTlp9-0002OQ-Py for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:52:39 -0400 Received: from [66.93.4.40] (helo=lister.deadlazlosplace.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTluj-0001Ay-Rq for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:58:27 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (lazarus.deadlazlosplace.com [66.93.4.97]) by lister.deadlazlosplace.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k8UKqXTZ004841 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <451ED933.9070809@deadlazlosplace.com> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:53:07 -0400 From: jef_e User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Re: Re: Some remarks about the user interface References: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> <451B1A4D.10005@deadlazlosplace.com> <451DC3B1.7060704@deadlazlosplace.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:52:43 -0000 Thufir wrote: > Ah, so, when there's a red puzzle piece, you're downloading all the > attachments, with just your mouse? No, actually, when there are several green puzzle pieces to a single file, such as those posted .rar, .r01, .r02 , etc. Say there are 10 rar segments - I highlight the first one, click and drag to include the rest in the batch - then add them to the download queue. jef From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 18:00:14 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTmsY-0007Iv-LY for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:00:14 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTmsX-0007Iq-G9 for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:00:13 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTmsU-0007Hz-SF for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:00:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTmsU-0007Hw-La for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:00:10 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.207] (helo=mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTmy7-0000D7-0F for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:05:59 -0400 Received: from mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.184]) by mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8UM04mA011524 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:00:04 -0400 Received: from 68-184-218-179.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([68.184.218.179]) by mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 30 Sep 2006 18:00:05 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,240,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="1724417346:sNHT17741288" Message-ID: <451EE97E.7000205@charter.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:02:38 -0500 From: fred User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Pan-users] gtkspell X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:00:13 -0000 Hey Guys I just noticed when I went to configure 0.115 that it shows gtkspell no ( I never noticed it before). I checked and I have gtkspell 2.0.11 installed (listed as current version). Running FC5. Anybody else notice this? Not a big deal since I do not know how much I would use it. Just a little odd. Thanks Lazlow From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 18:06:53 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTmyz-0000Yu-GS for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:06:53 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTmyx-0000YR-TO for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:06:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTmyw-0000YE-8f for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:06:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTmyw-0000YA-6e for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:06:50 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.215] (helo=mxsf15.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTn4Y-0000o8-Lp for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:12:38 -0400 Received: from mxip35a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip35a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.250]) by mxsf15.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8UM6maD008384 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:06:48 -0400 Received: from 24-241-114-052.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com (HELO [10.60.10.200]) ([24.241.114.52]) by mxip35a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 30 Sep 2006 18:06:48 -0400 Message-ID: <451EEAE2.2040702@s87059876.onlinehome.us> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:08:34 -0400 From: Darren User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.115 "Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar" References: <451EAAFA.8090709@rebelbase.com> In-Reply-To: <451EAAFA.8090709@rebelbase.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:06:52 -0000 Charles Kerr wrote: > September 30, 2006 - Pan 0.115: "Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar" Done! > This is the last `big change' release before 1.0. The big news > this week is a series of optimizations that cut memory use in > big groups by about 60%! This is huge news for alt.binaries readers. > > Bug Tickets addressed in this release: > 358077 cut memory use by about 60% for large binaries groups > 358204 cut group loading time by 20% > 357863 marking an article unread does not update grouplist. > 349012 header pane's mouse-drag-select works in gtk+ 2.10. > 358305 make tasks window clearer > 358409 automatic radio button checking in save dialog > 357698 part two of the followup-charset bug. > 358073 the error log should give more helpful NNTP error messages. Well you've now covered all of the items I think anyone could reasonably want with the 1.0 release! If there are no major bug reports is the next release going to be the RC? I should have the Ubuntu packages up in a couple of hours. From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 18:07:40 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTmzk-0000qo-Q1 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:07:40 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTmzj-0000qd-6J for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:07:39 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTmzi-0000qB-6g for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:07:38 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTmzh-0000q6-VE for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:07:37 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.161] (helo=mxsf36.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTn5K-0000sM-9n for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:13:26 -0400 Received: from mxip33a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip33a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.248]) by mxsf36.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8UM7aPK000784 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:07:36 -0400 Received: from 24-241-114-052.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com (HELO [10.60.10.200]) ([24.241.114.52]) by mxip33a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 30 Sep 2006 18:07:37 -0400 Message-ID: <451EEB14.5050206@s87059876.onlinehome.us> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:09:24 -0400 From: Darren User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] gtkspell References: <451EE97E.7000205@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <451EE97E.7000205@charter.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:07:39 -0000 fred wrote: > Hey Guys > > I just noticed when I went to configure 0.115 that it shows gtkspell no > ( I never noticed it before). I checked and I have gtkspell 2.0.11 > installed (listed as current version). You need the gtkspell development package From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 18:08:39 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTn0h-0001DC-Gv for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:08:39 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTn0e-0001C7-Nb for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:08:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTn0c-0001Bl-OW for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:08:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTn0c-0001Bi-Ke for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:08:34 -0400 Received: from [66.111.4.25] (helo=out1.smtp.messagingengine.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTn6F-0000x6-3y for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:14:23 -0400 Received: from frontend3.internal (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7582DADB46 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.internal ([10.202.2.160]) by frontend3.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:08:35 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: bAaX/3TQyp0pbmp4FA/K4HUf9j16xJyd83/nQ5dAxHIe 1159654115 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (unknown [82.152.205.107]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B13E110BF for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <451EEDB7.5040909@fmail.co.uk> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:20:39 +0100 From: Les Newell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Re: Re: Some remarks about the user interface References: <20060927221400.GX716@falu.nl> <451B1A4D.10005@deadlazlosplace.com> <451DC3B1.7060704@deadlazlosplace.com> <451ED933.9070809@deadlazlosplace.com> In-Reply-To: <451ED933.9070809@deadlazlosplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:08:37 -0000 That is quite a handy feature for binary newsgroups. It is exactly the same as drag-select in Konqueror, Windows Explorer etc. The tricky thing for the programmer is getting the scrolling right when you drag off the bottom of the screen. If I remember correctly the old Pan used to do this well. Les jef_e wrote: > No, actually, when there are several green puzzle pieces to a single > file, such as those posted .rar, .r01, .r02 , etc. Say there are 10 rar > segments - I highlight the first one, click and drag to include the rest > in the batch - then add them to the download queue. > > jef > From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 18:22:53 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTnET-0002dV-E5 for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:22:53 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTnES-0002d9-0A for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:22:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTnEP-0002cx-3I for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:22:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTnEP-0002cu-01 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:22:49 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTnK1-0002JR-En for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:28:37 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GTnEI-0001UW-Qn for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:22:42 +0200 Received: from cpe-69-204-149-52.nycap.res.rr.com ([69.204.149.52]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:22:42 +0200 Received: from jjvcuyler by cpe-69-204-149-52.nycap.res.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:22:42 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Jack Cuyler" Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <451EAAFA.8090709__27274.9840900817$1159637851$gmane$org@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpe-69-204-149-52.nycap.res.rr.com X-Face: 4(aM5\}ZCmxvc`T0N&&bmaltK"5Bx`/.zybrc6.?14w&hgB:+h#fh>9H4e/\'OotbJ=BlSjzf{d3psdee3-V/IlxV$Y#>~mUw48i!}~W1"VJ; h,H,3?9+N,0"9:5{1\J|ISwpo5z#yQV$dF|/xf2ysTZt"+8IpqK&m@2E{_(!siA31Q4>rC=@S; Ky"(G"]+c~(vMf3J|/<_DHF6WUV6F User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.115 "Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:22:52 -0000 On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:35:54 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: > September 30, 2006 - Pan 0.115: "Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar" > > This is "weekly" beta #26(!) of a full Pan redesign and rewrite in C++. > The quick turnaround time between each beta is to squash as many bugs > as possible before the pending 1.0 release. Feedback and bug reports > are very much encouraged. > > This is the last `big change' release before 1.0. The big news > this week is a series of optimizations that cut memory use in > big groups by about 60%! This is huge news for alt.binaries readers. This is the first time in a long time that I've had trouble compiling, but anyhoo, here's the error: make[4]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/pan-0.115/work/pan-0.115/pan/data/decode-test-cache' make[4]: Entering directory `/var/tmp/portage/pan-0.115/work/pan-0.115/pan/data' if x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../.. -I/usr/include/gmime-2.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -mtune=k8 -O2 -pipe -MT article.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/article.Tpo" -c -o article.o article.cc; \ then mv -f ".deps/article.Tpo" ".deps/article.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/article.Tpo"; exit 1; fi if x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../.. -I/usr/include/gmime-2.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -mtune=k8 -O2 -pipe -MT article-cache.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/article-cache.Tpo" -c -o article-cache.o article-cache.cc; \ then mv -f ".deps/article-cache.Tpo" ".deps/article-cache.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/article-cache.Tpo"; exit 1; fi article.cc:115: error: prototype for 'const pan::Article::Part& pan::Article::get_part(size_t) const' does not match any in class 'pan::Article' article.h:80: error: candidates are: const pan::Article::Part& pan::Article::get_part(unsigned int) const article.cc:106: error: pan::Article::Part& pan::Article::get_part(size_t) make[4]: *** [article.o] Error 1 make[4]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... make[4]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/pan-0.115/work/pan-0.115/pan/data' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/pan-0.115/work/pan-0.115/pan/data' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/pan-0.115/work/pan-0.115/pan' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/pan-0.115/work/pan-0.115' make: *** [all] Error 2 Is it something on my end? -- Cheers, Jack I WILL NOT XEROX MY BUTT I WILL NOT XEROX MY BUTT I WILL NOT XEROX MY BUTT I WILL NOT XEROX MY BUTT Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 7F01 From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 19:11:19 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTnzK-0000vY-TI for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:11:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTnzJ-0000vD-MG for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:11:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTnzH-0000tF-C9 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:11:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTnzH-0000tC-3v for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:11:15 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTo4u-00065x-22 for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:17:04 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GTnz6-0002L2-GJ for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:11:04 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-234-221-246.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net ([69.234.221.246]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:11:04 +0200 Received: from w41ter by adsl-69-234-221-246.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:11:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "walt" Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <451EAAFA.8090709__27274.9840900817$1159637851$gmane$org@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-234-221-246.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net X-Pan-Tester: yes User-Agent: pan 0.115 (Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.115 "Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:11:17 -0000 On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:22:21 +0000, Jack Cuyler wrote: > On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:35:54 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: > >> September 30, 2006 - Pan 0.115: "Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar" >> >> This is "weekly" beta #26(!) of a full Pan redesign and rewrite in C++. >> The quick turnaround time between each beta is to squash as many bugs >> as possible before the pending 1.0 release. Feedback and bug reports >> are very much encouraged. >> >> This is the last `big change' release before 1.0. The big news >> this week is a series of optimizations that cut memory use in >> big groups by about 60%! This is huge news for alt.binaries readers. > > This is the first time in a long time that I've had trouble compiling, but > anyhoo, here's the error -mtune=k8 I don't know the answer, but that flag caught my attention. I would guess that you added that flag yourself, am I right? Without knowing any details I'd suggest using a more pedestrian flag and see if it helps. From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 19:12:22 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTo0M-0001JE-Fw for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:12:22 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTo0K-0001HD-Ic for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:12:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTo0J-0001Go-Ec for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:12:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTo0J-0001Gg-9i for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:12:19 -0400 Received: from [209.225.28.165] (helo=mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTo5w-00069T-EO for pan-users@nongnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:18:08 -0400 Received: from mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.137]) by mxsf38.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8UNCIAt008389 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:12:18 -0400 Received: from 68-184-218-179.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([68.184.218.179]) by mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 30 Sep 2006 19:12:17 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,240,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="777543506:sNHT17958812" Message-ID: <451EFA6D.8040304@charter.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:14:53 -0500 From: fred User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] gtkspell References: <451EE97E.7000205@charter.net> <451EEB14.5050206@s87059876.onlinehome.us> In-Reply-To: <451EEB14.5050206@s87059876.onlinehome.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:12:20 -0000 Darren wrote: > fred wrote: > >> Hey Guys >> >> I just noticed when I went to configure 0.115 that it shows gtkspell no >> ( I never noticed it before). I checked and I have gtkspell 2.0.11 >> installed (listed as current version). >> > > You need the gtkspell development package > > > _______________________________________________ > Pan-users mailing list > Pan-users@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users > > Yep, someday I will remember the bone head stuff. Thanks Darren Lazlow From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 19:48:49 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GToZd-0004fy-3y for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:48:49 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GToZb-0004dt-HK for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:48:47 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GToZa-0004de-Ca for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:48:46 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GToZa-0004db-4H for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:48:46 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTofD-0001E9-EP for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:54:35 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GToYv-0001wJ-IK for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:48:05 +0200 Received: from cpe-69-204-149-52.nycap.res.rr.com ([69.204.149.52]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:48:05 +0200 Received: from jjvcuyler by cpe-69-204-149-52.nycap.res.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:48:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Jack Cuyler" Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <451EAAFA.8090709__27274.9840900817$1159637851$gmane$org@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpe-69-204-149-52.nycap.res.rr.com X-Face: 4(aM5\}ZCmxvc`T0N&&bmaltK"5Bx`/.zybrc6.?14w&hgB:+h#fh>9H4e/\'OotbJ=BlSjzf{d3psdee3-V/IlxV$Y#>~mUw48i!}~W1"VJ; h,H,3?9+N,0"9:5{1\J|ISwpo5z#yQV$dF|/xf2ysTZt"+8IpqK&m@2E{_(!siA31Q4>rC=@S; Ky"(G"]+c~(vMf3J|/<_DHF6WUV6F User-Agent: pan 0.114 (Angry Albatross) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.115 "Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:48:47 -0000 On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:10:50 +0000, walt wrote: > On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:22:21 +0000, Jack Cuyler wrote: > >> On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:35:54 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: >> >>> September 30, 2006 - Pan 0.115: "Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar" >>> >>> This is "weekly" beta #26(!) of a full Pan redesign and rewrite in C++. >>> The quick turnaround time between each beta is to squash as many bugs >>> as possible before the pending 1.0 release. Feedback and bug reports >>> are very much encouraged. >>> >>> This is the last `big change' release before 1.0. The big news >>> this week is a series of optimizations that cut memory use in >>> big groups by about 60%! This is huge news for alt.binaries readers. >> >> This is the first time in a long time that I've had trouble compiling, but >> anyhoo, here's the error > > -mtune=k8 > > I don't know the answer, but that flag caught my attention. I would guess > that you added that flag yourself, am I right? I did. It's been in my custom flags forever, though. Ahh well. Removing it is worth a shot. > Without knowing any details I'd suggest using a more pedestrian flag and > see if it helps. Would that it did. I removed all custom flags and still got the same results. I guess it's worth mentioning that 0.114 compiles perfectly with or without the custom flags. Thanks for the suggestion, though :) -- Cheers, Jack I DO NOT HAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY OVER FIRST GRADERS I DO NOT HAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY OVER FIRST GRADERS I DO NOT HAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY OVER FIRST GRADERS I DO NOT HAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY OVER FIRST GRADERS Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 2F19 From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Sep 30 20:47:57 2006 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1GTpUr-0007W6-Gf for mharc-pan-users@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:47:57 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTpUq-0007Vu-Ji for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:47:56 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GTpUo-0007VK-Kx for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:47:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTpUo-0007VE-Du for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:47:54 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTpaS-0006Ap-9K for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:53:44 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GTpSc-0006yq-Ur for pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 02:45:39 +0200 Received: from cpe-69-204-149-52.nycap.res.rr.com ([69.204.149.52]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 02:45:38 +0200 Received: from jjvcuyler by cpe-69-204-149-52.nycap.res.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 02:45:38 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: pan-users@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org From: "Jack Cuyler" Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 00:43:16 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <451EAAFA.8090709__27274.9840900817$1159637851$gmane$org@rebelbase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpe-69-204-149-52.nycap.res.rr.com X-Face: 4(aM5\}ZCmxvc`T0N&&bmaltK"5Bx`/.zybrc6.?14w&hgB:+h#fh>9H4e/\'OotbJ=BlSjzf{d3psdee3-V/IlxV$Y#>~mUw48i!}~W1"VJ; h,H,3?9+N,0"9:5{1\J|ISwpo5z#yQV$dF|/xf2ysTZt"+8IpqK&m@2E{_(!siA31Q4>rC=@S; Ky"(G"]+c~(vMf3J|/<_DHF6WUV6F User-Agent: pan 0.115 (Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar) Sender: news Cc: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.115 "Mrs. Kerr Says Remember the Tip Jar" X-BeenThere: pan-users@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pan-users@nongnu.org List-Id: pan-users.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:47:56 -0000 On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:47:29 +0000, I wrote: >> Without knowing any details I'd suggest using a more pedestrian flag and >> see if it helps. > > Would that it did. I removed all custom flags and still got the same > results. I guess it's worth mentioning that 0.114 compiles perfectly with > or without the custom flags. > > Thanks for the suggestion, though :) I did some fiddling with the source code and came up something, I think. I changed one line in article.h and everything went smoothly from there. The patch is in bug 358654. -- Cheers, Jack I NO LONGER WANT MY MTV I NO LONGER WANT MY MTV I NO LONGER WANT MY MTV I NO LONGER WANT MY MTV Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 3G02