From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Jul 04 12:20:03 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KEo0x-0002oA-9z for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:20:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KEo0v-0002np-Nu for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:20:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KEo0u-0002n5-4D for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:20:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42630 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KEo0t-0002mo-Ox for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:19:59 -0400 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]:53437) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KEo0t-0005oN-1I for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:19:59 -0400 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080704162449.HFIU7070.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 17:24:49 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([82.13.15.8]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080704162001.ZSKA18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@localhost.localdomain> for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 17:20:01 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id B979A1006A for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 17:19:52 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:19:52 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <20080704.171952.143976831.althea.moreau@gmail.com> To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Wanna help because Pingus rocks From: Crecerelle X-Mailer: Mew version 5.2 on Emacs 23.0.51 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:20:01 -0000 Hi :-) > Anyway, I've been taking a look at the mailing list archives and I found a > message talking about how to contribute and someone told that the user > submitted levels are never going to make into the main levels, but users can > help by playing, testing and reporting problems. I was that someone, and I'd be delighted to work through the levels with you. My life has been pretty hectic of late, so I wasn't able to do much more than take a look through the level archive. It's starting to settle down now, though, and I should be able to get back on track... So feel free to get in touch if you'd like some help in sorting out the levels, and let me know what you've done already. Thanks :) Crecerelle From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Jul 06 04:59:47 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KFQ5y-0000xE-Rr for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:59:46 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KFQ5x-0000x7-FD for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:59:45 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KFQ5w-0000wv-9F for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:59:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53470 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KFQ5w-0000ws-3H for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:59:44 -0400 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.180]:20791) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KFQ5v-0007qn-N6 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:59:43 -0400 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j5so1320672wah.18 for ; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:59:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=m7cO/0kEnUqltQyFp+fh7unvXpUVgwSU+TxcR4ySID0=; b=vnuEtUzvL+1wFnZnXTiANNhN6bOEsV06XgEsy7Z4Y5v9InkiX0d24p1krW2POwHdu0 pYndymOnavo+AH3cHx4AgEVma33wNM4Whjh8aFbw6vfiItHeI2Q4aU88uXjeGbZ/bbSn EHqSJiOTGhL0cRE31sUUsNVjOQnnmxNnNcdSs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=fL35oX3SzK0lSzlJbiEsZH0fiHvcFdgAbIsTxFo6oBYfblmTmwQoL20DwHeHSon7oP 3xg9AwfvEfgl8IxQb6eDTs2HuA7gtgrKAgmPEHxazJYTS7t3DRB5axlHI/QlUuhA29IK bWllSAQgrpfE8sWYxbbzPZHLCo36NWM9MwsM4= Received: by 10.114.24.5 with SMTP id 5mr1643288wax.160.1215334775293; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.53.12 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 01:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4f45b570807060159o6baf8413s5eaf5708dee0def@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:59:35 +0200 From: "Ingo Ruhnke" To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Subject: [Pingus-Devel] Interface rework X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 08:59:45 -0000 I am currently planing on reworking/cleaning up the interface a bit, I have something like this in mind: http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/4b734776e15058b89643e33aaf77bcc5-menuredesign.png One problem with this interface is that it will block a part of the level. In some levels that can be handled by adding a bit of water at the bottom, in others that might not be possible. For normal gameplay that isn't an issue, since levels are already designed to not have gameplay near the level border, but when a player wants to dig down so far he of course shouldn't be stopped. My current solution for this would be a way to hide the interface (via little arrows in the corner). Any comments or other suggestions? Some alternative interfaces experiments: http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/d29a63b264637801693faf23bdb22028-menuredesign.png http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/027def00be8c40faa796627b4421dc35-menuredesign.png http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/8868e80a330317ab3c6841f8b88a342e-menuredesign.png http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/48b47dc107dd3bb9bd520f4d96a85262-menuredesign.png -- WWW: http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/ Blog: http://grumbel.blogspot.com/ JabberID: xmpp:grumbel@jabber.org ICQ: 59461927 From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Jul 06 07:33:45 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KFSUy-0002Ij-QU for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:33:44 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KFSUx-0002IN-99 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:33:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KFSUv-0002Hg-2h for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:33:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34453 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KFSUu-0002Hb-UJ for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:33:40 -0400 Received: from susik.kapsa.cz ([212.24.154.100]:52772) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KFSUt-0001gn-Rx for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:33:40 -0400 Received: by susik.kapsa.cz (Postfix, from userid 516) id 570486050; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 13:33:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by susik.kapsa.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536CB6036 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 13:33:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 13:33:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Tomas Blaha To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Interface rework In-Reply-To: <4f45b570807060159o6baf8413s5eaf5708dee0def@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4f45b570807060159o6baf8413s5eaf5708dee0def@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="416572570-1839354453-1215343393=:6813" Content-ID: X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:33:43 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --416572570-1839354453-1215343393=:6813 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: On Sun, 6 Jul 2008, Ingo Ruhnke wrote: > I am currently planing on reworking/cleaning up the interface a bit, I > have something like this in mind: >=20 > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/4b734776e15058b89643e33aaf77bcc5-= menuredesign.png >=20 > One problem with this interface is that it will block a part of the > level. In some levels that can be handled by adding a bit of water at > the bottom, in others that might not be possible. For normal gameplay > that isn't an issue, since levels are already designed to not have > gameplay near the level border, but when a player wants to dig down so > far he of course shouldn't be stopped. My current solution for this > would be a way to hide the interface (via little arrows in the > corner). >=20 > Any comments or other suggestions? Maybe it could also be easy to allow user grab the panel and move it to=20 the top border, just like I can grab panel in KDE. (I mean only two=20 distinct positions, not free move.) Oh and please leave enough space for "released/out/saved", in some=20 translations it is quite hard to fit. =20 > Some alternative interfaces experiments: >=20 > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/d29a63b264637801693faf23bdb22028-= menuredesign.png > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/027def00be8c40faa796627b4421dc35-= menuredesign.png > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/8868e80a330317ab3c6841f8b88a342e-= menuredesign.png > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/48b47dc107dd3bb9bd520f4d96a85262-= menuredesign.png As you probably already figured out, there is not necesary to have more=20 than three action buttons: - armageddon button - pause and play buttons can alternate in the same place depending=20 on whether the game is paused or not - fast forward and one step button can alternate too, fast forward when=20 playing and one step when game is paused -- Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Bl=C3=A1ha e-mail: tomas.blaha at kapsa.cz JabberID: tomiiik at jabber.cz ICQ: 76239430 --416572570-1839354453-1215343393=:6813-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Jul 06 10:28:43 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KFVEJ-0007gb-1x for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:28:43 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KFVEH-0007gT-G3 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:28:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KFVEG-0007gD-CP for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:28:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56526 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KFVEG-0007gA-8a for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:28:40 -0400 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.174]:65425) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KFVEF-0001Kf-Nc for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:28:40 -0400 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so1775035wfd.4 for ; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:28:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=g/lPk5ysuJ+rcFd6FMRy0iuj2/B0+veAx8xJZH96ppg=; b=Z7ovh6VJs1FzQ0FLqTKQQ+Q4p2k5UWtnwLnfDO2qQUjdoStkw3nhzyXIdyJuuTzYNW 2GjpO2BxN+mWf7kGzqr16W/CCtb6ElFz9PjdjNoYa61yguXmQ+Is3TR09qIzttrEHJkU 6L/Z9UwjHGx0cxNN46HakBSugMbphO57vSx9U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=kJw0Aqtir6CoI5csLKShkzR1LEIO4JzjQqPvB/iebcjyoseYD8lYfqnxYrrrrFApm0 CBHXfwPRZjRG4zvBuq4OtGNiKcBLSOEjVYRVHJIfKqRmeeY0R9nMS0jiVAuAobnPOhr3 psybHsVawoBTIUi2lXil2nzltULyzw8l1guWQ= Received: by 10.142.158.3 with SMTP id g3mr937593wfe.344.1215354516058; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.163.2 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:28:36 -0400 From: "Onilton Maciel" To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Interface rework In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20629_6009005.1215354516054" References: <4f45b570807060159o6baf8413s5eaf5708dee0def@mail.gmail.com> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:28:41 -0000 ------=_Part_20629_6009005.1215354516054 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline First of all, really good job. Nice Idea. > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/4b734776e15058b89643e33aaf77bcc5-me= nuredesign.png To say the truth, I didn't like this one very much, not that is ugly, it's just because it takes too much space of the screen and seems a little crowded. but it still the best of his kind (between the bottom ones you showed us). Pingus's current one is nice because it don't take much space from the game, it is not transparent but is small enough that it don't bother or annoy you. Also it separates the pingus actions, player options and information really, really well. If you take this way (bringing all the options to the bottom) would be nice if you take all the bottom not just the middle of it, like in most strategy games. I don't know why, but it think that maybe it fits better. About the greenboard, it is nice but you need to make it more easy to read, and maybe a little smaller (so you could take less space from the bottom). For me is not that difficult to see which move is which of the drawings, but I am sur= e it would not be so easy for a new user. I think these won't be the final ones, but just to warn you about this point. I know it will be a lot better than it is in the screenshots since I already saw the greenboard colors and font at the beginning and end of the levels of the game. > Some alternative interfaces experiments: > > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/d29a63b264637801693faf23bdb22028-me= nuredesign.png > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/027def00be8c40faa796627b4421dc35-me= nuredesign.png > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/8868e80a330317ab3c6841f8b88a342e-me= nuredesign.png > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/48b47dc107dd3bb9bd520f4d96a85262-me= nuredesign.png http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/d29a63b264637801693faf23bdb22028-me= nuredesign.png It's not difficult to know that I would take this one. I really like the wa= y pingus in game options are right know. The same advices I said before, like the size of of the greenboards, etc. >Maybe it could also be easy to allow user grab the panel and move it to >the top border, just like I can grab panel in KDE. (I mean only two >distinct positions, not free move.) Some people say the simpler, the better. But I also always like to able to configure and change things, so I wouldn't mind to have options of how the panels would be displayed. Two distinct positions would be nice, but only i= f is not that difficult to implement. >As you probably already figured out, there is not necesary to have more >than three action buttons: > >- armageddon button >- pause and play buttons can alternate in the same place depending > on whether the game is paused or not >- fast forward and one step button can alternate too, fast forward when > playing and one step when game is paused I also add that player options would be better together (one near others), by player options I mean armageddon, pause and play and fast foward. On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Tomas Blaha wrote: > On Sun, 6 Jul 2008, Ingo Ruhnke wrote: > > > I am currently planing on reworking/cleaning up the interface a bit, I > > have something like this in mind: > > > > > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/4b734776e15058b89643e33aaf77bcc5-= menuredesign.png > > > > One problem with this interface is that it will block a part of the > > level. In some levels that can be handled by adding a bit of water at > > the bottom, in others that might not be possible. For normal gameplay > > that isn't an issue, since levels are already designed to not have > > gameplay near the level border, but when a player wants to dig down so > > far he of course shouldn't be stopped. My current solution for this > > would be a way to hide the interface (via little arrows in the > > corner). > > > > Any comments or other suggestions? > > Maybe it could also be easy to allow user grab the panel and move it to > the top border, just like I can grab panel in KDE. (I mean only two > distinct positions, not free move.) > > Oh and please leave enough space for "released/out/saved", in some > translations it is quite hard to fit. > > > Some alternative interfaces experiments: > > > > > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/d29a63b264637801693faf23bdb22028-= menuredesign.png > > > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/027def00be8c40faa796627b4421dc35-= menuredesign.png > > > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/8868e80a330317ab3c6841f8b88a342e-= menuredesign.png > > > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/48b47dc107dd3bb9bd520f4d96a85262-= menuredesign.png > > As you probably already figured out, there is not necesary to have more > than three action buttons: > > - armageddon button > - pause and play buttons can alternate in the same place depending > on whether the game is paused or not > - fast forward and one step button can alternate too, fast forward when > playing and one step when game is paused > > > -- > > Tom=E1=9A Bl=E1ha > > e-mail: tomas.blaha at kapsa.cz > JabberID: tomiiik at jabber.cz > ICQ: 76239430 > _______________________________________________ > Pingus-Devel mailing list > Pingus-Devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pingus-devel > > ------=_Part_20629_6009005.1215354516054 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline First of all, really good job. Nice Idea.

> http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/4b734776e= 15058b89643e33aaf77bcc5-menuredesign.png

To say the truth, I didn't like this one very much, not that is ugl= y, it's just because it takes too much space of the screen and seems a = little crowded. but it still the best of his kind (between the bottom ones = you showed us). Pingus's current one is nice because it don't take = much space from the game, it is not transparent but is small enough that it= don't bother or annoy you. Also it separates the pingus actions, playe= r options and information really, really well.

If you take this way (bringing all the options to the bottom) would be = nice if you take all the bottom not just the middle of it, like in most str= ategy games. I don't know why, but it think that maybe it fits better. = About the greenboard, it is nice but you need to make it more easy to read,= and maybe a little smaller (so you could take less space from the bottom).= For me is not that difficult to see which move is which of the drawings, b= ut I am sure it would not be so easy for a new user. I think these won'= t be the final ones, but just to warn you about this point. I know it will = be a lot better than it is in the screenshots since I already saw the green= board colors and font at the beginning and end of the levels of the game.
> Some alternative interfaces experiments:
>
> http://pingus.seul.org/= ~grumbel/tmp/md5/d29a63b264637801693faf23bdb22028-menuredesign.png
> http://pingus.seul.org/= ~grumbel/tmp/md5/027def00be8c40faa796627b4421dc35-menuredesign.png
> http://pingus.seul.org/= ~grumbel/tmp/md5/8868e80a330317ab3c6841f8b88a342e-menuredesign.png
> http://pingus.seul.org/= ~grumbel/tmp/md5/48b47dc107dd3bb9bd520f4d96a85262-menuredesign.png

http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/d29a= 63b264637801693faf23bdb22028-menuredesign.png

It's not diffi= cult to know that I would take this one. I really like the way pingus in ga= me options are right know. The same advices I said before, like the size of= of the greenboards, etc.


>Maybe it could also be easy to allow user grab the panel and mo= ve it to
>the top border, just like I can grab panel in KDE. (I mean only two
>distinct positions, not free move.)

Some people say the simpler, the better. But I also always like to able to configure and change things, so I wouldn't mind to have options of how the panels would be displayed. Two distinct positions would be nice, but on= ly if is not that difficult to implement.

>As you probably alread= y figured out, there is not necesary to have more
>than three action buttons:
>
>- armageddon button
>- pause and play buttons can alternate in the same place depending
&= gt;  on whether the game is paused or not
>- fast forward and one step button can alternate too, fast forward when=
> playing and one step when game is paused

I also add that playe= r options would be better together (one near others), by player options I m= ean armageddon, pause and play and fast foward.

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Tomas Blaha <tomasb@kapsa.cz> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008, Ingo Ruhnke wrote:

> I am currently planing on reworking/cleaning up the interface a bit, I=
> have something like this in mind:
>
> http://pingus.seul.org/= ~grumbel/tmp/md5/4b734776e15058b89643e33aaf77bcc5-menuredesign.png
>
> One problem with this interface is that it will block a part of the > level. In some levels that can be handled by adding a bit of water at<= br> > the bottom, in others that might not be possible. For normal gameplay<= br> > that isn't an issue, since levels are already designed to not have=
> gameplay near the level border, but when a player wants to dig down so=
> far he of course shouldn't be stopped. My current solution for thi= s
> would be a way to hide the interface (via little arrows in the
> corner).
>
> Any comments or other suggestions?

Maybe it could also be easy to allow user grab the panel and move it = to
the top border, just like I can grab panel in KDE. (I mean only two
distinct positions, not free move.)

Oh and please leave enough space for "released/out/saved", in som= e
translations it is quite hard to fit.
As you probably already figured out, there is not necesary to have mo= re
than three action buttons:

- armageddon button
- pause and play buttons can alternate in the same place depending
 on whether the game is paused or not
- fast forward and one step button can alternate too, fast forward when
 playing and one step when game is paused


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------=_Part_20629_6009005.1215354516054-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Jul 06 14:20:28 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KFYqa-00045u-Cc for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:20:28 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KFYqY-00045a-JI for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:20:26 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KFYqX-00045O-0m for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:20:26 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=32810 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KFYqW-00045L-Tx for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:20:24 -0400 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.183]:59639) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KFYqW-0006H1-JD for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:20:24 -0400 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j5so1409069wah.18 for ; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:20:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sYuEMD2BQtfIecGBQMIXknOYMkNqLsj9UjMfEbqRSC4=; b=quk1o0DGL6y/2cBFwgPHVwSeow8C8Ps/269LPqm5YuzCEt6ie/Z4lNdWbO+4H/cCRf +2SgxHnd8OxlB7lW1ZiGz7A5nBFGTGZFCq3FtmL0Hu+7L4gUMqZCi4nFh7O8RYZu0gLd mJWyaqH0ULQ3nB0jzBjoTXSgpYVnd6En231u8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Lz5GVERuKfQ2vD0UOm5PtVONSccfvLr36M7RX6izKK0ykwdZNvut8niuSqXag8blcd 6q8r4583VQzdlyqo9b9NHqclhZKanF5XIEfdu6V5V3eISYKjSHzup2L54MUeH1DS64dH lF0AcYj3kiJnwk2bRsVyjY+yzgsWgCpswaE0Y= Received: by 10.115.75.14 with SMTP id c14mr5547615wal.45.1215368419824; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.81.10 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5a5496320807061120x7b2cc897m8a953052daf2220@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:20:19 -0600 From: Ryan To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Interface rework In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4f45b570807060159o6baf8413s5eaf5708dee0def@mail.gmail.com> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:20:27 -0000 On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Onilton Maciel wrote: > First of all, really good job. Nice Idea. > >> >> http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/4b734776e15058b89643e33aaf77bcc5-menuredesign.png > > To say the truth, I didn't like this one very much, not that is ugly, it's > just because it takes too much space of the screen and seems a little > crowded. but it still the best of his kind (between the bottom ones you > showed us). Pingus's current one is nice because it don't take much space > from the game, it is not transparent but is small enough that it don't > bother or annoy you. Also it separates the pingus actions, player options > and information really, really well. I agree with this point. The mock-up looks ok, but it takes away much more screen real estate than necessary. That's what I like about the current interface. -- Ryan From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Jul 06 23:23:00 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KFhJc-0005eZ-9i for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:23:00 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KFhJb-0005eE-BZ for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:22:59 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KFhJY-0005dS-Hm for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:22:58 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49334 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KFhJY-0005dJ-6l for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:22:56 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.231]:12588) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KFhJX-0003D2-Ru for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:22:55 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c46so1542563wra.18 for ; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:22:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:x-gpgmail-state :message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=9MatziKK8dNXxAJCnuGv69AzJTQRyv0fzW2YLzks++0=; b=FxA9t0I+iA7TCkFC/SsfCei0pMFMlGTlcdT8r5fzTCoCGA2KZ6Xf7GUqkyEDy2eMgi xHEqzDBBQNKjyYZyPGwPa6jSA55fUDGCGGmYdOXqAmnsfG9groN/SBVmPDKpEH3oOJrJ UD5HJ8yDhRNIz6pnUXrosTi0sYbZwtcdgwQRI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:x-gpgmail-state:message-id:content-type:to:from :subject:date:x-mailer; b=IrcrsySQAU9sdvQYJdvKuTEwPqlCyjBDneB2bs5JaG4mrUOV3bzyO4UumbrXcuk3Zf kRoPjhmHbgQjJ+wBhMfeMxicS59svGaDOrfOyv2++6rp+83N13M7wLJdvlc2e5u2FhmN PoM21I9uMdyLl/vMWfNesZlKcFQ61RLZBwDxQ= Received: by 10.90.67.10 with SMTP id p10mr4432497aga.60.1215400974649; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.202? ( [64.234.88.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q30sm3857848wrq.36.2008.07.06.20.22.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-870549910 To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org From: Josh Dye Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:22:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Subject: [Pingus-Devel] MacOS X Intel X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:22:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2-870549910 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I compile this package on my iMac Cor2Duo with 10.4.11, it also works fine on my MacBook (10.5.2). Someone in IRC said this didn't work on their 10.5.4, but since I still have 10.4.11 & 10.5.2 I can't confirm this, I will post my results once I update... http://www.mediafire.com/?myzilfyzj4d Please note that though the finder may say this is universal, the pingus executable is Intel only, so when this gets added to the download page- keep the current link up --Apple-Mail-2-870549910 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I compile this package on my iMac Cor2Duo with 10.4.11, it also works = fine on my MacBook (10.5.2). =A0Someone in IRC said this=A0didn't=A0work = on=A0their=A010.5.4, but since I still have 10.4.11 & 10.5.2 I can't = confirm this, I will post my results once I = update...



Please note that though the = finder may say this is universal, the pingus executable is Intel only, = so when this gets added to the =A0download page- keep the current link = up


= --Apple-Mail-2-870549910-- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Jul 07 09:01:27 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KFqLO-00015M-3K for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:01:26 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KFqLM-00013g-Pm for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:01:24 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KFqLI-000115-Fo for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:01:23 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60435 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KFqLI-00010u-7y for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:01:20 -0400 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.244]:36233) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KFqLH-0006SY-KR for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:01:20 -0400 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so1946714rvb.22 for ; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:01:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=4yQhIx7Sd+xfJoB4nRUreN5cV2OTdUZUhDOdrrxjz/8=; b=PDAVMyB7DQUGs0bkxnudKZH5XXZ0TzJ1fSGYfd5f7kkJ8o2RbsDg5zHLAyUJRHF5Ai wviPFrZ1+3kNtn1SyJYIF+lwhTrmfsBx3cmoashtlzuCo9LYVn3/X3A0EVgvGx69h8SZ 9NzuKSZr9adfLmaXkbkix3xZ7TN84cLHhyWXU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=tGGkkajmsIvlqc7eEkit7qQbYcKrg1BesQHAnCKtyKkeczV32rBHWTwYUlKP6S9MRD 73M/waqpegcXUDYXSGABGAbNslNfxSBBn8QTBCDGQHEBJNUWZjYd8o07C7CTJvWUaitz xvmmSii0Uhu05mCktBSGcPMznuOUP39SruWFg= Received: by 10.140.126.14 with SMTP id y14mr2235611rvc.96.1215435672377; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.52.11 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 06:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <18e575130807070601s78824475gb91fc8df566aa2c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:01:12 -0400 From: "Michael [Plouj] Ploujnikov" To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] MacOS X Intel In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:01:25 -0000 On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Josh Dye wrote: > I compile this package on my iMac Cor2Duo with 10.4.11, it also works fine > on my MacBook (10.5.2). Someone in IRC said this didn't work > on their 10.5.4, but since I still have 10.4.11 & 10.5.2 I can't confirm > this, I will post my results once I update... > > http://www.mediafire.com/?myzilfyzj4d > Please note that though the finder may say this is universal, the pingus > executable is Intel only, so when this gets added to the download page- > keep the current link up For the record, this is the crash log that someone (not me) reported: Process: pingus [11145] Path: /Users/floam/Downloads/Pingus.app/Contents/Resources/pingus Identifier: pingus Version: ??? (???) Code Type: X86 (Native) Parent Process: bash [11144] Date/Time: 2008-07-06 17:39:22.669 -0700 OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.4 (9E17) Report Version: 6 Exception Type: EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT) Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000 Crashed Thread: 0 Thread 0 Crashed: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x95133b9e __kill + 10 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x951aaec2 raise + 26 2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x951ba47f abort + 73 3 pingus 0x000dce82 0x1000 + 900738 4 pingus 0x00126f02 FontImpl::FontImpl(FontDescription const&) + 474 5 pingus 0x00067238 Font::Font(FontDescription const&) + 40 6 pingus 0x000a838a Resource::load_font(std::basic_string, std::allocator > const&) + 218 7 pingus 0x000660f2 Fonts::init() + 162 8 pingus 0x00092498 PingusMain::init_pingus() + 32 9 pingus 0x000985a2 PingusMain::SDL_main(int, char**) + 294 10 pingus 0x00098a4a SDL_main + 52 11 pingus 0x000dc5e0 -[SDLMain applicationDidFinishLaunching:] + 75 12 com.apple.Foundation 0x9243464c _nsnote_callback + 364 13 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x96ae9aba __CFXNotificationPost + 362 14 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x96ae9d93 _CFXNotificationPostNotification + 179 15 com.apple.Foundation 0x924317b0 -[NSNotificationCenter postNotificationName:object:userInfo:] + 128 16 com.apple.Foundation 0x9243aff8 -[NSNotificationCenter postNotificationName:object:] + 56 17 com.apple.AppKit 0x9018db7a -[NSApplication _postDidFinishNotification] + 125 18 com.apple.AppKit 0x9018da89 -[NSApplication _sendFinishLaunchingNotification] + 77 19 com.apple.AppKit 0x9010762f -[NSApplication(NSAppleEventHandling) _handleAEOpen:] + 284 20 com.apple.AppKit 0x90106e28 -[NSApplication(NSAppleEventHandling) _handleCoreEvent:withReplyEvent:] + 98 21 com.apple.Foundation 0x92459b6f -[NSAppleEventManager dispatchRawAppleEvent:withRawReply:handlerRefCon:] + 655 22 com.apple.Foundation 0x9245987f _NSAppleEventManagerGenericHandler + 223 23 com.apple.AE 0x94660648 aeDispatchAppleEvent(AEDesc const*, AEDesc*, unsigned long, unsigned char*) + 144 24 com.apple.AE 0x9466057e dispatchEventAndSendReply(AEDesc const*, AEDesc*) + 44 25 com.apple.AE 0x94660425 aeProcessAppleEvent + 177 26 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x931b747d AEProcessAppleEvent + 38 27 com.apple.AppKit 0x90104719 _DPSNextEvent + 1189 28 com.apple.AppKit 0x90103db8 -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 128 29 com.apple.AppKit 0x900fcdf3 -[NSApplication run] + 795 30 pingus 0x000dcd34 main + 1557 31 pingus 0x00002eb6 _start + 216 32 pingus 0x00002ddd start + 41 Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit): eax: 0x00000000 ebx: 0x951ba43f ecx: 0xbfffe91c edx: 0x95133b9e edi: 0x000000ff esi: 0x000000ff ebp: 0xbfffe938 esp: 0xbfffe91c ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00000282 eip: 0x95133b9e cs: 0x00000007 ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x00000000 gs: 0x00000037 cr2: 0x00ffd000 -- Michael Ploujnikov http://plouj.com/ From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Jul 07 17:48:51 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KFyZn-0003Q0-9Y for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:48:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KFyZm-0003Pj-6O for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:48:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KFyZj-0003PX-Gk for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:48:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34665 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KFyZj-0003PU-E7 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:48:47 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.231]:14012) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KFyZj-0004BQ-2d for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:48:47 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c46so1830777wra.18 for ; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:48:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:to:message-id :content-type:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=IPyieLjveuP952lx8J5Lmi9rkBN0a9ByejKfyHRdjhY=; b=Aq3xMd+QMOO3Yiuvq438ikjYeDT95ld2NyAtnDnxP7WKA1e14RVqBNn/iqeI7GFjvv C1pX/OGt1wu+LcI6kfqiMNbOZ9Ylwa2PSqCR2gl7hzEbxKJQEGFwrsqyxZ8NxkF0Qs1Z UW3v0pUJkvvIrVQPBr7sBhne9P2ozeC1RhO7E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:to:message-id:content-type:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=MxOSzymHVMbqBexJRZcHG0hNJxr64dFPY3iXZ4oIyZm2ajyj0ugL11YBo0ABeRSdVb snOHqOk6sEQEIl8hfD9nbfQJ0Cxvni6J9/3+HV0yf4TCIcpzl5xTCO7r2ChlSHHcSIhh WIB6DrmdU6xb6Ja+vYMoi1ULzftcMzDZOXdO4= Received: by 10.90.102.15 with SMTP id z15mr5810634agb.37.1215467325968; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.202? ( [64.234.88.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm3396404wrl.26.2008.07.07.14.48.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org Message-Id: <239CAF65-9AC1-4EF2-BBB5-2180EE79B833@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-936900205 From: Josh Dye Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:48:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Subject: [Pingus-Devel] New levelsets X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:48:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-936900205 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I made a few level-sets from the playable directory; the levels I didn't categorize from the playable directory, I put into a long level-set called 'playable' http://www.mediafire.com/?njbm9t3jvyz --Apple-Mail-1-936900205 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I made a few level-sets from the playable directory; the levels I = didn't=A0categorize=A0from the playable directory, I put into a long = level-set called 'playable'

= --Apple-Mail-1-936900205-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Jul 08 17:50:19 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KGL4l-0006zG-Pr for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:50:19 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGL4k-0006yZ-QS for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:50:18 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGL4j-0006wR-2r for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:50:18 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45650 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KGL4i-0006wJ-VL for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:50:17 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.239]:46342) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KGL4i-0005oQ-JL for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:50:16 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c46so2228279wra.18 for ; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:50:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:to:message-id :content-type:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=9XVTB/txniBisd7fPMBRRXmHdun0HKtTGMwu+1bjpss=; b=x9QE9QH/Fk8898TdTZsmIOyeBL3AzuFLg5rwE1jVt0p3FZDU3+rSF2qTtUkBYDds4p ly/3Pjms9eh/HlphQWJ5OF1RYwDBrW4ij+sn3apSwzSPPDm0D7aHekzG0f0jf2mXEixR ZAvQliIyqQxg1GeqGi22/aSXLsbdbety8/oMc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:to:message-id:content-type:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=E655u6L/VThLrVQhBtY6CPOx4/9xJ6lCOZHDQbWcnhZYdoRkD3+3+Av1rUYWpIMw/a JtMuq5YqxPhaMREyR9wxyrCoNqPN0WXTofDs1bgsdvM5JWqkOGvCdY6AoyAbARMYabNy hIuRY3iPqQPoFXELinB/zcyo/2CXxf+G8IX3Y= Received: by 10.90.74.7 with SMTP id w7mr7573723aga.111.1215553814539; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.202? ( [64.234.88.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 12sm4627989wrl.20.2008.07.08.14.50.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org Message-Id: <2DB1EE6A-D822-410B-97CB-228BF77A865E@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1023387622 From: Josh Dye Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] MacOS X Intel Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:49:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:50:18 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-1023387622 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Well, I just updated my laptop to 10.5.4 and pingus runs fine.. Maybe it an issue with a QT update, or maybe his computers just screwed... Anyway might as well update thee downloads page to include my version, just remember to keep the current link up; the current link is only 0..7, but it's PPC. My Intel version of 0.7.2 stable http://www.mediafire.com/?2tj3sfxx9y5 --Apple-Mail-1-1023387622 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, I just updated my laptop to 10.5.4 and pingus runs = fine..

Maybe it an issue with a QT update, or maybe = his computers just screwed... =A0Anyway might as well update thee = downloads page to include my version, just remember to keep the current = link up; the=A0current=A0link is only 0..7, but it's = PPC.


My Intel version of 0.7.2 = stable=A0http://www.mediafire.com/?2= tj3sfxx9y5


= --Apple-Mail-1-1023387622-- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Jul 09 00:34:42 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KGRO6-0000Po-Jq for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:34:42 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGRO4-0000Pd-OI for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:34:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGRO2-0000PR-Sw for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:34:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53964 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KGRO2-0000PO-NV for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:34:38 -0400 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.156]:33442) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KGRO2-0004Lj-Ib for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:34:38 -0400 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so1293390ywa.82 for ; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:34:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=c8u+CrIsqd4NruGRtpNOiFMx9+kGeO7P643otxZ7FnI=; b=ctwZJKTT07w3QPyLbpgbc1ebMHaUVv8shXgNhkklQzjSqF3r6+41pGcKUH5VxfRfF9 umjoj61N3JktKDc4/W5WKSo3t5amJb1gYXJGUxGcQAbfqj064fgRB9ZhgvJ6o4y302W7 1Y4U4IUMYgSWeY88PK9I8eutM/KGoXzFVuURM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=bb4K/mWaL1n8rWsIqQdUuDbE1yIVe2/Pf3tX+5+CDpfT8H091CRO95jpdezRT8HT1i 1z4JD/qG5cf0xoe9Efc0dXWUbfoazByMykM/rC0/BnF49vFncaQVAIC9aNoHyOuQNDaP J8hIcAT1wsafIlwCa7nrCKAsmWLYmdThYpzW0= Received: by 10.151.144.15 with SMTP id w15mr160794ybn.200.1215578076443; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.202? ( [64.234.88.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w67sm21254786pyg.40.2008.07.08.21.34.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <2DB1EE6A-D822-410B-97CB-228BF77A865E@gmail.com> References: <2DB1EE6A-D822-410B-97CB-228BF77A865E@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1047650630 Message-Id: <26F6A276-643C-4B99-A923-B0C0EAD7BF9E@gmail.com> From: Josh Dye Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] MacOS X Intel Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:34:11 -0700 To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:34:40 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-1047650630 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I just figured out what I missed, a little embarrassing, what I overlooked that is. Anyway, I fixed it- will post back when i't uploaded... On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:49 PM, Josh Dye wrote: > Well, I just updated my laptop to 10.5.4 and pingus runs fine.. > > Maybe it an issue with a QT update, or maybe his computers just > screwed... Anyway might as well update thee downloads page to > include my version, just remember to keep the current link up; the > current link is only 0..7, but it's PPC. > > > My Intel version of 0.7.2 stable http://www.mediafire.com/?2tj3sfxx9y5 > > --Apple-Mail-1-1047650630 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just figured out what I missed, a little=A0embarrassing, what I = overlooked that is. =A0Anyway, I fixed it- will post back when i't = uploaded...

On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:49 PM, Josh Dye = wrote:

Well, I just updated my laptop to 10.5.4 and pingus runs = fine..

Maybe it an issue with a QT update, or maybe = his computers just screwed... =A0Anyway might as well update thee = downloads page to include my version, just remember to keep the current = link up; the=A0current=A0link is only 0..7, but it's = PPC.


My Intel version of 0.7.2 = stable=A0http://www.mediafire.com/?2= tj3sfxx9y5



<= /div>= --Apple-Mail-1-1047650630-- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Jul 09 12:37:06 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KGcfB-0008Sl-TG for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:37:05 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGcfA-0008Rv-9S for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:37:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGcf8-0008R7-Jy for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:37:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55272 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KGcf8-0008R1-8d for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:37:02 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:38337) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KGcf7-0001Ur-5g for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:37:02 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Jul 2008 16:36:42 -0000 Received: from p57BD03D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO noname) [87.189.3.212] by mail.gmx.net (mp058) with SMTP; 09 Jul 2008 18:36:42 +0200 X-Authenticated: #6894523 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+O9plOQQ+Ojm+9DEonFTzO4Owa2XBgYyox7Su9ij 0mq1XEEvseuYz9 From: Daniel Herding To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:36:41 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20080620160300.8548gmx1@mx079.gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20080620160300.8548gmx1@mx079.gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200807091836.41675.DHerding@gmx.de> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.63 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) Subject: [Pingus-Devel] two player mode X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:37:04 -0000 Hi all, on 2008-06-20 Daniel Nixon suggested a competitive multiplayer mode for Pingus. > I first saw a two player mode in a lemmings-like game in the Sega > Megadrive (Genesis) Lemmings port. From what I can remember there was > one entry door and two exit doors. Each player had to get the most > lemmings (from either side) in their exit door. It lead to some pretty > excellent gameplay due to the sneakiness and tactical play required to > sabotage each other while still shepherding the bulk of your own > lemmings to your door. Ingo Ruhnke replied: > We had something like that a long while back, it was never really > finished and got ripped out in the meantime: > > * http://pingus.seul.org/images/screen_0.5.0-1.jpg > > But we could reimplement with little trouble (splitscreen that is, > network support would get trickier). > > The issue however is that basic multiplayer isn't all that > interesting, because it is to chaotic, everybody just tries to kill of > the other and the end result is pretty much random. It might be > possible to enhance it by new actions or other tweaks to basic > gameplay (make it round-based, more worms like, etc.). I am open to > suggestions. What about not making the multiplayer feature competitive, but coorperative? For example, one player gets blue pingus, the other one controls red ones. Each color has its own entry and its own exit. The players both win if they rescue at least half of all the pingus together. They win together, or they lose together. Multiplayer levels should be designed in such a way that no player can win the game on his own, they need to coordinate their actions. For example, one player can build bridges, and the other one can dig, and they need to work together to get to the exit. There is a somewhat similar concept in Lemmings Revolution, where some levels include normal lemmings and "aqua lemmings" with special abilities. These two lemming types have to be well coordinated to get to the exit. This is a single-player game, however. As far as I know, a cooperative multiplayer mode in Pingus would be something completely new and innovative. What do you think? Daniel From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Jul 09 17:36:51 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KGhLH-0004LQ-Pb for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:36:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGhLF-0004In-RE for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:36:49 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGhLB-0004Ek-1M for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:36:48 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49866 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KGhLA-0004Eb-Ra for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:36:44 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.180]:6514) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KGhLA-0001e6-2J for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:36:44 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so1631607pyb.10 for ; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:36:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=+bYSS4ogvbeL4X3s7oS0j4oyGz5+Jws2AIQoOroL6X8=; b=Z0WctHfp9i1bhyvUODzxHsu2hXzFxPLosruDHA9lwhUfAk8JHDYx2IQtA7aiAluOvw iTJ3dKoJKq1KEIAD2pcP2sIGxvPSh47Aq8dP2VgSUSbPkxdMrUmMCysTV9f4XrX3E7Kl bXFOHzfU0H1gM94j7PA45ZpsvoBo4XEgkLXZs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=S8ae1Bgkoq1wfvyLl85NC4BC/n+LdBljaHVfKdA18+W4Vndbr0QkOHOmZXngzZCSuY OvNha3fFj3iAccKmhjozx6csHwIZqAam2Kgx/gXodhTJJW6sfNghRIttXi7HyvU0n90c mJrmcaQNjYWQ8F+5hEqurTVFs2dbWXxs7pp/0= Received: by 10.65.72.7 with SMTP id z7mr4972742qbk.25.1215639398933; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.202? ( [64.234.88.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s35sm10417497qbs.13.2008.07.09.14.36.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <26F6A276-643C-4B99-A923-B0C0EAD7BF9E@gmail.com> References: <2DB1EE6A-D822-410B-97CB-228BF77A865E@gmail.com> <26F6A276-643C-4B99-A923-B0C0EAD7BF9E@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--1038513236 Message-Id: <9A4B2F65-6F5C-4727-B736-1BFAF0B06111@gmail.com> From: Josh Dye Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] MacOS X Intel Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:36:11 -0700 To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:36:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1--1038513236 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?bwny0wytayy On Jul 8, 2008, at 9:34 PM, Josh Dye wrote: > I just figured out what I missed, a little embarrassing, what I > overlooked that is. Anyway, I fixed it- will post back when i't > uploaded... > > On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:49 PM, Josh Dye wrote: > >> Well, I just updated my laptop to 10.5.4 and pingus runs fine.. >> >> Maybe it an issue with a QT update, or maybe his computers just >> screwed... Anyway might as well update thee downloads page to >> include my version, just remember to keep the current link up; the >> current link is only 0..7, but it's PPC. >> >> >> My Intel version of 0.7.2 stable http://www.mediafire.com/? >> 2tj3sfxx9y5 >> >> > --Apple-Mail-1--1038513236 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1


O= n Jul 8, 2008, at 9:34 PM, Josh Dye wrote:

I just = figured out what I missed, a little=A0embarrassing, what I overlooked = that is. =A0Anyway, I fixed it- will post back when i't = uploaded...

On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:49 PM, Josh Dye = wrote:

Well, I just updated my laptop to 10.5.4 and pingus runs = fine..

Maybe it an issue with a QT update, or maybe = his computers just screwed... =A0Anyway might as well update thee = downloads page to include my version, just remember to keep the current = link up; the=A0current=A0link is only 0..7, but it's = PPC.


My Intel version of 0.7.2 = stable=A0http://www.mediafire.com/?2= tj3sfxx9y5



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= --Apple-Mail-1--1038513236-- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Jul 09 17:50:57 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KGhYv-0004Bf-EQ for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:50:57 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGhYt-00049k-Sq for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:50:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGhYs-00048S-7F for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:50:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42078 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KGhYr-00048J-Vy for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:50:54 -0400 Received: from lana.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de ([134.109.132.3]:56751) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KGhYr-0006CU-H7 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:50:53 -0400 Received: from cami.csn.tu-chemnitz.de ([134.109.80.239]) by lana.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KGhYn-0000j0-H8 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:50:49 +0200 To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] two player mode Content-Disposition: inline From: Carsten Milkau Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 23:50:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200807092350.50894.chat.noir@arcor.de> Sender: cami@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: f63ec78c36006dbd9f08cecca336b949 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:50:56 -0000 Hello Daniel, On Wednesday, July 9 18:36 2008, Daniel Herding wrote: > What about not making the multiplayer feature competitive, but > coorperative? For example, one player gets blue pingus, the other one > controls red ones. Each color has its own entry and its own exit. The I also thought about this, however it has two big drawbacks: 1) it requires a lot of communication between the two parties to coordinate their work well. It is not obvious how this should be achieved conveniently while each of them has to control their pingus. 2) If both all players plan their actions (which can be assumed, as pinugs is more of a puzzle than an arcade game), the multiplayer mode does not add much to the gameplay. It's still almost the same puzzle, you only have two sets of pingus with different abilities. Although two players carry out the actions, they are just carrying out a single plan, which (thanks to pausing) could equally well be done by a single player. Puzzle games are always single player games, we have to face it =) Greetings Carsten From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Jul 09 18:24:03 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KGi4x-0003gF-0p for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:24:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGi4v-0003fj-Nz for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:24:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGi4t-0003dL-Ep for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:24:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38446 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KGi4t-0003d5-87 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:23:59 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.181]:8867) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KGi4r-000072-18 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:23:58 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so1640313pyb.10 for ; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:23:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:x-gpgmail-state :message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=DLhmkR99M9Zj95xrJYV2zwLyCucL8/lij3Xf52Dum6w=; b=sXbBfgh1ffysC4NXuQJxblVE64ZIklbxt0nSFhgHwM/n3GWLvLn/+7GSDKMmmgOHML fseZG40/rj5B12PU15x5ViDD0cB5XS1quAhMPZ75QS4gLd9/gEdn6YMF/RxkwVXVjlRN jxApi1Z0+WuTW5WSFh3IHZ17ec46T9FhFT6jw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:x-gpgmail-state:message-id:content-type:to:from :subject:date:x-mailer; b=MXSdS3Vln2nIL5w4jl4TUUiJBDYIHbIscgks40Ikvv6FFRj7eahpNXqZHGGGVjz4OC 4Tqo8W8U6TU6K/MF2mqiccjePyhMLJI955NWQqsebkUCRhQClDB7/ZpvJqstRKOJdMVF mhjjFvG7qNWUd8yyHSb1nl92PIsfncdCOcJ80= Received: by 10.65.96.17 with SMTP id y17mr5058679qbl.35.1215642228098; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.202? ( [64.234.88.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k27sm11433483qba.10.2008.07.09.15.23.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--1035687766 To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org From: Josh Dye Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] two player mode Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:23:17 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:24:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail-3--1035687766 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > Hello Daniel, > > On Wednesday, July 9 18:36 2008, Daniel Herding wrote: > > What about not making the multiplayer feature competitive, but > > coorperative? For example, one player gets blue pingus, the other > one > > controls red ones. Each color has its own entry and its own exit. > The > > I also thought about this, however it has two big drawbacks: > > 1) it requires a lot of communication between the two parties to > coordinate > their work well. It is not obvious how this should be achieved > conveniently > while each of them has to control their pingus. Thats what make co-op multiplayer fun, esp in network games. Half the fun of playing a CTF game in BZFLAG (IMNSHO, One of the greatest multiplayer games ever created) is using the built in chat feature to communicate and strategize with you team-mates. > 2) If both all players plan their actions (which can be assumed, as > pinugs is > more of a puzzle than an arcade game), the multiplayer mode does > not add much > to the gameplay. It's still almost the same puzzle, you only have > two sets of > pingus with different abilities. Although two players carry out the > actions, > they are just carrying out a single plan, which (thanks to pausing) > could > equally well be done by a single player. It would add a new challenge to the game. C'mon, the reason you play a puzzle game is because you find the challenge fun. > > Puzzle games are always single player games, we have to face it =) Think different. > > Greetings > Carsten .___. / \ | O _ O | Best Regards, / \_/ \ Josh M Dye .' / \ `. / _| |_ \ (_/ | | \_) \ / __\_>-<_/__ ~;/ \;~ Josh Dye E-Mail Me Fax (267) 327-1599 Phone (530) 926-5598 --Apple-Mail-3--1035687766 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hello = Daniel,

On Wednesday, July 9 18:36 2008, Daniel Herding = wrote:
> What about not making the = multiplayer feature competitive, but
> = coorperative? For example, one player gets blue pingus, the other = one
> controls red ones. Each = color has its own entry and its own exit. The

I also = thought about this, however it has two big drawbacks:

1) it = requires a lot of communication between the two parties to = coordinate=A0
their work well. It is not = obvious how this should be achieved conveniently=A0
while each of them has to control their = pingus.
Thats what make co-op multiplayer fun, = esp in network games. =A0Half the fun of playing a CTF game in BZFLAG = (IMNSHO, One of the greatest multiplayer games ever created) is using = the built in chat feature to communicate and=A0strategize=A0with you = team-mates.
2) = If both all players plan their actions (which can be assumed, as pinugs = is=A0
more of a puzzle than an = arcade game), the multiplayer mode does not add much=A0
to the gameplay. It's still almost the same puzzle, = you only have two sets of=A0
pingus = with different abilities. Although two players carry out the = actions,=A0
they are just carrying out a = single plan, which (thanks to pausing) could=A0
equally well be done by a single = player.
It would add a new=A0challenge=A0to the = game. =A0C'mon, the reason you play a puzzle game is because you find = the challenge fun.
Puzzle games are always = single player games, we have to face it = =3D)
Think different.

Greetings
Carsten


=A0 =A0=A0 = =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0/=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0| O _ O | = Best Regards,
=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0\=A0=A0=A0Josh M = Dye
=A0=A0.' /=A0=A0 =A0=A0\ = `.
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= --Apple-Mail-3--1035687766-- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Jul 09 18:31:38 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KGiCI-0005Ry-NC for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:31:38 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGiCH-0005Re-4R for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:31:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGiCG-0005RH-0W for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:31:36 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49985 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KGiCF-0005RD-R6 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:31:35 -0400 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.156]:10654) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KGiCF-0002V8-52 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:31:35 -0400 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so1420717ywa.82 for ; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:31:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=QWxGmgFKvaQSfGjOzPrX2YWioYEMGkghOE4/oBcT4Go=; b=nupguzu/6rAVpXF5Z6ZEd6g6lL4NmyluqOkP0BFoEtSoezd36w1Svv3cZBZih+PpFl 0QCNk44ulWppacXMCb6ZaCp1w6YWc+KzH3dh/ZQaoUlTfuJORl2Wy2uq+wdJO3On3hIC pd/vkky47xbnAuKiAl9Em30ZgVV82MStmYTh8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=cpzldGc42DVkhVilgK1/VKsJkJIHxS+njRXcw2+kKREjRLpiI8a1YPHOA+7akeEsPL DWjLne4VIM8Qz+wsysF879ySA/Nf5vUEP2oChoLH4jwh8hY7/E0nMUWcur+lNNFSU8IS 2KlZY9mhVIbByA5JoyC12AGiI2x2sHElCsJJg= Received: by 10.115.89.1 with SMTP id r1mr10089915wal.116.1215642683854; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.81.10 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5a5496320807091531m6a0d001etaf2cd3e2947dd675@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:31:23 -0600 From: Ryan To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] two player mode In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:31:37 -0000 On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Josh Dye wrote: > Hello Daniel, > On Wednesday, July 9 18:36 2008, Daniel Herding wrote: >> What about not making the multiplayer feature competitive, but >> coorperative? For example, one player gets blue pingus, the other one >> controls red ones. Each color has its own entry and its own exit. The > I also thought about this, however it has two big drawbacks: > 1) it requires a lot of communication between the two parties to coordinate > their work well. It is not obvious how this should be achieved conveniently > while each of them has to control their pingus. > > Thats what make co-op multiplayer fun, esp in network games. Half the fun > of playing a CTF game in BZFLAG (IMNSHO, One of the greatest multiplayer > games ever created) is using the built in chat feature to communicate > and strategize with you team-mates. Yeah, I think it could be a lot of fun if done properly. There would definitely have to be separate level sets for multiplayer, though. -- Ryan From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Jul 09 19:43:48 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KGjK8-000395-4f for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:43:48 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGjK4-00036F-2o for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:43:44 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KGjK2-00035I-GL for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:43:43 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47434 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KGjK2-00035E-Cf for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:43:42 -0400 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.250]:20062) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KGj1G-0002OY-U4 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:24:19 -0400 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so2724509rvb.22 for ; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:24:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=LdNQw2sNEqllZniX06SpHnsP3+19CiEOirXo7LvZUR0=; b=c3s5FHl993Qn+pXLU/g7rVMb31BXPngRJ22Onv5LV5DqEdzzO3+vL5lOmizzO8lQGg tiyxBtf13pXNdDFq3O8TuQT8j1aEZKiSRqZLljWZEDHKU1kyxXiKLgVSE6aYN+5YU9K9 IvcTmJi6KenS/CPu57P15ge9eKD8elAxnM2+I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Hgxcr5AeG1iQxAwAdtXS+OfTNSG3tikKRCVrzqiUh6rMDVLbj5T96xkqeID7Nbbe7x seksvVA462k7im8AJts3BUByydW1PAaRw0WcfrPjz/tdznmtCc2dr0urGU8T4TQZrmLN tZw5LA2lh4eOQpp8qzMAbyvVdBWxVOz4kNfE8= Received: by 10.140.132.8 with SMTP id f8mr4359789rvd.206.1215645850527; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.52.11 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <18e575130807091624j21ff557cpf115b739d36fd7d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:24:10 -0400 From: "Michael [Plouj] Ploujnikov" To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] two player mode In-Reply-To: <200807092350.50894.chat.noir@arcor.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200807092350.50894.chat.noir@arcor.de> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:43:44 -0000 On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Carsten Milkau wrote: > Hello Daniel, > > On Wednesday, July 9 18:36 2008, Daniel Herding wrote: >> What about not making the multiplayer feature competitive, but >> coorperative? For example, one player gets blue pingus, the other one >> controls red ones. Each color has its own entry and its own exit. The > > I also thought about this, however it has two big drawbacks: > > 1) it requires a lot of communication between the two parties to coordinate > their work well. It is not obvious how this should be achieved conveniently > while each of them has to control their pingus. With support for multiple pointing devices, this will make for great two (or more) person games on the same computer. > 2) If both all players plan their actions (which can be assumed, as pinugs is > more of a puzzle than an arcade game), the multiplayer mode does not add much > to the gameplay. It's still almost the same puzzle, you only have two sets of > pingus with different abilities. Although two players carry out the actions, > they are just carrying out a single plan, which (thanks to pausing) could > equally well be done by a single player. The ability to pause is almost a cheat. Players aren't forced to use it if they want to have a challenge by themselves or in a team. -- Michael Ploujnikov http://plouj.com/ From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Jul 11 15:30:30 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KHOK6-0002n4-Ap for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:30:30 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHOK5-0002md-G1 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:30:29 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHOK3-0002mQ-Mu for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:30:29 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34478 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KHOK3-0002mN-H6 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:30:27 -0400 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.152]:38627) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KHOK3-0001rs-6O for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:30:27 -0400 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so1239466yxi.82 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:30:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:to:message-id :content-type:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=aoGpQcGXCc2ZfjjjXIjDuFoop9CquG2v3OnrEXhnrEA=; b=Erlm47UuHvUgTAi0VU6JshOm4NEemJwNzLUX9ptUiMwoYBhyaEv4iXgBG1I/7hov9/ aVAiM7aKMGWpqfh7oytBoK1+ivFViB2rD8GukgNJbCXHPayS6LqsN8fMih1wvXf3AA9O daxS34BBJBn2fWkBV8urbEAa+SR35+2SqNA8Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:to:message-id:content-type:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=H7hZ9iKpvUmVhe5blzRjJiLSKRC3hTXZbSUbvGR7XVGk4gIkrMPQPizbhT9XFNzmx9 dtrM59Oqrkz8wksp5j5ca8Y5feaNLHPpebv9tDpF5zDQVfbsXCdk8bOyuBiTtq16aASa FOW0uFNNi1LX6EOfvjIpGlJaLAzyik2uL0k9U= Received: by 10.150.153.3 with SMTP id a3mr13903063ybe.84.1215804626084; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.202? 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= --Apple-Mail-1--873286801-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Jul 12 13:52:53 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KHjHB-0003yy-Fs for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:52:53 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHjHA-0003yZ-Hi for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:52:52 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHjH7-0003x5-W9 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:52:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54875 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KHjH7-0003x2-T0 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:52:49 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.181]:65175) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KHjH7-0007LB-Gt for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:52:49 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so2427860pyb.10 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:52:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:to:message-id :content-type:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=eONw860eN0bepN69cEe6HA+exYUAgGZ/IwWLU7w5yyQ=; b=CZPehorsfNj72QY2bgcw9vAC+PTbLj3AEPO1NrRsROdpXZrF7yjd3ViW6h7kWGTri0 mNk65GJUODG03oPHUxATjICNhr2Ue2qrPA7VMZ8NWq7JTZ5hnCCSoffOkptl7yOClgqp 4bPsPwr2NvbMuZNckj34UKioSJUefz5hpd/qI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:to:message-id:content-type:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=mKOCnSqzjEktSgbTljASblUyU1Gtxzkuo/8O0D8ecXAV1X68YBnSbPs+HhuYi4hT+g Neas1UA2J+CYtoVmuvd5Gfus6/Pt9lO5dNPFmb8RIBnAb+MkUUY8Ur4bU7RJWdvXEa+1 zj+YaIcKNKO+DrAGcPKnQWAGYjH6peeyD1nDY= Received: by 10.65.210.19 with SMTP id m19mr12603610qbq.45.1215885168571; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.202? ( [64.234.88.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x72sm3194813pyg.26.2008.07.12.10.52.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org Message-Id: <578141D5-22C7-475D-B4DD-83108A2381FC@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--792744311 From: Josh Dye Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:52:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Subject: [Pingus-Devel] Apple has Pingus! X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:52:52 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1--792744311 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed It hasn't been up for more then half a day, and 338 downloads of the Intel mac version! http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/pingus.html --Apple-Mail-1--792744311 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 It=A0hasn't=A0been=A0up=A0for = =A0more=A0then half a day, and 338 downloads of the Intel mac = version!

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/pingus.html= --Apple-Mail-1--792744311-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Jul 12 20:54:35 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KHprG-00009V-Th for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:54:34 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHprE-000067-MR for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:54:32 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHprD-0008WE-7t for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:54:32 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48054 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KHprD-0008W3-0P for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:54:31 -0400 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.243]:9676) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KHprC-0004SD-Mf for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:54:30 -0400 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so3607854rvb.22 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:54:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ve3Kt4aqHcEmRl/FoQc6BhXyH8HeA2JcXSivZm6M6as=; b=OyKs/SMOBv5eQjWj8+hts77EV2ra8e8wECj8oXd2Yy8PQKeMe1S1juNhcQ4x/6RbNx JsKvS5ylx8E2NqBpsW7h6V0qOANz5vZRs7jg7o7iqGiYG6Nxr7RjT/fNzVTpKCt38+h2 FI3wfqX+RQI6tDmOwRHdBiUJP3tlA922MuWoc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=uNUYcAyOzzcMZ2wSQep2sQaO+lXTYes6qZJYEJSQhYSIPAS+y9I4UlAt5cJzMny3n6 Yhgxhk4bnAA2qW60gsc3vEFhluXrnFL2dY3K/C0PRIiqGudYw4L/w4Y5qrhS7uXu2q+w NpEjCxIdO2Yi10IkS9Lw0JKNlX1MD8EJyfGOY= Received: by 10.140.166.21 with SMTP id o21mr5577344rve.254.1215910465809; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.85.1 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <18e575130807121754t47e07250g4d12e4a015837c36@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:54:25 -0400 From: "Michael [Plouj] Ploujnikov" To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Apple has Pingus! In-Reply-To: <578141D5-22C7-475D-B4DD-83108A2381FC@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <578141D5-22C7-475D-B4DD-83108A2381FC@gmail.com> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:54:33 -0000 On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Josh Dye wrote: > It hasn't been up for more then half a day, and 338 downloads of the Intel > mac version! > http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/pingus.html Some comments I got from a guy on IRC: - instead of letting the user enter resolutions as command line parameters, give a user a drop-down list of resolutions to choose from - don't default to fullscreen _and_ 1024x768, apparently no macs (or mac screens) actually come with such native resolution - just don't default to fullscreen at all - it would be nice to have checkbox for the fullscreen option - sound is choppy (on a machine with 4GB of ram and four 2.66GHz xeons) Regarding the apple.com description: we currently don't have a working multiplayer. Also, you should tell the apple.com visitors to contact you directly about problems with the build, or if they want to use the Pingus bugtracker (http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?group=pingus) then they should explicitly put something like [MacOS] in the bug subject/title. (Does the rest of the mailing list agree with this?) Do you want me to host this and future files on my website? I already have it at: http://plouj.com/pingus/macos/Pingus-0.7.2-INTEL-2008-07-12-17:26.dmg Thanks for your work. -- Michael Ploujnikov http://plouj.com/ From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Jul 13 02:52:10 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KHvRK-0004X3-DL for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:52:10 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHvRI-0004Wt-Hv for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:52:08 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHvRH-0004Wh-Jz for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:52:08 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60769 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KHvRH-0004We-A9 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:52:07 -0400 Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:35480) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KHvRG-0003E7-Rj for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:52:07 -0400 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.243]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KHvRF-0007cw-3R for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:52:05 -0400 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so3655044rvb.22 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:52:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+KDN8hV4S6MgyQ7xCxi7NwoclYOZovKBVwCuuVBF5kI=; b=L7XBGIiShxb1t1Y3cbYWYOWmw9o1vTwdpnJMZu++F03bOvP3IpuDGBsIFFN+klDscF PFyf4Vv1dc5QSEPLcvRzqijLBBQGgy9dZsb2G2SQkX9cXojcdmHxXRfGewiqNQBo5UOi 54PDUO7yQKxJoyhMV9A7s7QL7ohq2mLaSyoL8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=VMS/3jVghcRaiFKb1FaE6mygIFu6YS8IbsnRI1NJrT/Pea7GuQXy4qEebGsLhxfqZI dO1txNhBaVvxGLO3eVI3z7MN8b3LBT18XkeHu6qzbWZIAeJ3GjaqVVaJJflNmM6kUzwu TFzkXnxM/lNqVc9ZUjPpkoTlPKgapHp6i2zIE= Received: by 10.114.124.12 with SMTP id w12mr16129609wac.210.1215931921825; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.16.8 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4f45b570807122352g1ed8d92bl6c58edf3a45f05f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:52:01 +0200 From: "Ingo Ruhnke" To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Apple has Pingus! In-Reply-To: <578141D5-22C7-475D-B4DD-83108A2381FC@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <578141D5-22C7-475D-B4DD-83108A2381FC@gmail.com> X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:52:08 -0000 On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Josh Dye wrote: > It hasn't been up for more then half a day, and 338 downloads of the Intel > mac version! > http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/pingus.html Added link to download page. Any idea why the old Pingus0.7-PPC thing is so huge (i.e. 60MB vs 14MB)? Non striped debuggig symbols? -- WWW: http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/ Blog: http://grumbel.blogspot.com/ JabberID: xmpp:grumbel@jabber.org ICQ: 59461927 From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Jul 17 12:19:03 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KJWC7-0002H7-EN for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:19:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJWC5-0002Gj-Mj for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:19:01 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJWC4-0002GI-Rk for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:19:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53801 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KJWC4-0002GF-Kj for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:19:00 -0400 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.180]:45565) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KJWC4-00028V-8U for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:19:00 -0400 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j5so4020686wah.18 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:18:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=zkt4/j5I6b9c5cJ+n//1Lmr5nbQZUgLBVaCdm37BS7g=; b=WHMrFq3ORmvrYgm5alEenEW9iGN1zq+Jc2CPVO+GHbzot6UNpsJnwyRq5jmUbwE1hR gYv//hyzED2fsGGC/r0fr1/wQRi/loTc2CXBfN/7nvgXi69yo49k3+RqfuCw1uriPKej bDvODqbBILOal2wQ/0ACbVGyOEa8FuGlAkpTw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=cA6wVSMGgPhrEM4ea0GHGz+wgmi9ZZB/aZqbyH3sLTcqWdK2qlpzPd67fO1GZMa9nu YHtk31iV8Rltrl/EY1vGkq+IjByBxySawxNlFxd3/krlgOSfXhE9xReOl4zBL4ExvcIk DOdqN6DQLF9pFjAUmX+7dT1wQ93jnz2Qljvms= Received: by 10.114.47.12 with SMTP id u12mr1807938wau.187.1216311507231; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.13.13 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:18:27 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?JoNaN88_(a.k.a._Jon_Ander_Pe=F1alba)?=" To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Interface rework In-Reply-To: <5a5496320807061120x7b2cc897m8a953052daf2220@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_46308_10289366.1216311507235" References: <4f45b570807060159o6baf8413s5eaf5708dee0def@mail.gmail.com> <5a5496320807061120x7b2cc897m8a953052daf2220@mail.gmail.com> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:19:01 -0000 ------=_Part_46308_10289366.1216311507235 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I really like this idea: http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/d29a63b264637801693faf23bdb22028-me= nuredesign.png If you finally decide to use the first one, you could make it occupy the hole screen width so it doesn't block the level. --=20 Diario de un pre-inform=E1tico: http://www.jonansblog.tk ------=_Part_46308_10289366.1216311507235 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I really like this idea: http:/= /pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/md5/d29a63b264637801693faf23bdb22028-menurede= sign.png

If you finally decide to use the first one, you could make it occupy th= e hole screen width so it doesn't block the level.


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------=_Part_46308_10289366.1216311507235-- From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Jul 18 17:41:20 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KJxhY-0001Ap-BE for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:41:20 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJxhW-000196-NQ for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:41:18 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJxhU-000166-FW for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:41:17 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60821 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KJxhU-00015v-AP for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:41:16 -0400 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.157]:49150) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KJxhU-0003hM-1H for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:41:16 -0400 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so185848yxi.82 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:41:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject :date:x-mailer; bh=P4j+lKfhibIFQul+b9MlAXdmUPvvnKv606iVfTcwScM=; b=lwad6IsiW+/rHKv8fVvIBAzQJsfqVM71FDSMzr4/tSVpCcL5/+ZBzHIvGg6jFdZ0Hp H654pRkZAhpR6hhQqvB7z/YhZwZ7n7Ix2FCT09m89He/HARt1qFG5uqHlDZXfjHrQ0BN zL91tjkBZe9M+oaq+pr6W6TURf9DFraoLAzZc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to :from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=eawj8cP/Eq7liUmMT1nkfJkTKM3tufwqF9ZHTDhqFLvTUoN5vtHW4sZ5PPlVeR5pYg Xq1oXVWIM60G1xKRiUVPRAqQxLVlSUKUBlNL/NsR6I2DkuSlXfWhHvZ8GN+CgDGftvUE 0rEhSCnPG852KXiUmULcYzfLqL5jSf3QmTWcg= Received: by 10.150.150.3 with SMTP id x3mr663021ybd.110.1216417274370; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.202? ( [64.234.88.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm2536907ywd.8.2008.07.18.14.41.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <99EF8587-E80E-46F6-9753-17E44B624511@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org From: Josh Dye Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Apple has Pingus! Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:40:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:41:18 -0000 The PPC build was done by the G4M forum, I am not making universal builds; and I don't have access to a PPC mac any more. I can't figure out the sound thing- SMC, ETR, STL & Defendguin all work fine- Every build of pingus on Mac has had bad sound. A pop-up menu for resolution would be ideal, but I don't know if I can do it, the current launcher was made kinda quickly with applescript. It doesn't really matter who host the file, since MediaFire hosting is free; I just like the fact that Media-Fire has a downloader has a download counter. From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Jul 19 00:56:55 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KK4V5-0006RH-Ed for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:56:55 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KK4V3-0006QU-IK for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:56:53 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KK4V0-0006OT-Ka for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:56:52 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57903 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KK4V0-0006OK-HA for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:56:50 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.180]:59687) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KK4V0-0007kP-36 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:56:50 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so535238pyb.10 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:56:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=RDMZPH4L54EpX3xfef3kAdWFVmmTQq+rwP2GoN6R/rk=; b=QswIyrLVZ6vg1RcdbglhjiEgMhEIQWUMGQkxGdH3k9esPP1zUoBjbLuijy15NMB6He cw/sKGJJKM8rsmDi9LEELj6Lf1SvwXF3uBLuaCbyoyu3pqE5ph5xevHgJj3/bPiCBZLR lUJ/9JXzhVMNG1l7y/7fRhDbReVkP3yedwUrc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=wXQyMYGzOYs7p9rvq6v9NN+c08mIZ2bBEgNgzJ1JnSW4NEqT1WJihDpnBHRZCYWbpA IssNe2KIJjktERJ4Ij/mS3+oH8ZUjn3iNZTsLZ5XRSVe+ze+ot0/7UdzPCjyZdcFjXlI wQ4NazG2yJVmlYZOu4n2+IK3LUvP0+YuyOMiY= Received: by 10.64.184.16 with SMTP id h16mr1351653qbf.19.1216443408925; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.202? ( [64.234.88.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n67sm6811204pyh.41.2008.07.18.21.56.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <99EF8587-E80E-46F6-9753-17E44B624511@gmail.com> References: <99EF8587-E80E-46F6-9753-17E44B624511@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Dye Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Apple has Pingus! Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:56:19 -0700 To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:56:53 -0000 I have a more attractive and mac-like launcher for pingus, will upload tomorrow http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=jtzysdslje2&thumb=4 http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=bhil0ymmdoj&thumb=4 On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Josh Dye wrote: > The PPC build was done by the G4M forum, I am not making universal > builds; and I don't have access to a PPC mac any more. I can't > figure out the sound thing- SMC, ETR, STL & Defendguin all work > fine- Every build of pingus on Mac has had bad sound. > > A pop-up menu for resolution would be ideal, but I don't know if I > can do it, the current launcher was made kinda quickly with > applescript. It doesn't really matter who host the file, since > MediaFire hosting is free; I just like the fact that Media-Fire > has a downloader has a download counter. From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Jul 19 19:18:43 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KKLhL-0006Hc-5v for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:18:43 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKLhJ-0006HM-5F for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:18:41 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKLhG-0006HA-MR for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:18:39 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56200 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKLhG-0006H7-Ge for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:18:38 -0400 Received: from gateway16.websitewelcome.com ([69.93.179.8]:41979) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KKLhG-00023j-3D for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:18:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 1194 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2008 23:24:19 -0000 Received: from gator233.hostgator.com (70.84.99.82) by gateway16.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2008 23:24:19 -0000 Received: from s5590bcd1.adsl.wanadoo.nl ([85.144.188.209]:55213 helo=thinkpadserg) by gator233.hostgator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KKLhB-00037R-OC for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:18:34 -0500 Message-ID: <45FDD45D54ED4C8A8996214A82FA00C3@thinkpadserg> From: To: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:21:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01C8EA06.EA4198D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator233.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mobilnova.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Subject: [Pingus-Devel] Memory consumption in pingus 0.7.2 X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: usb@mobilnova.com, pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:18:41 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C8EA06.EA4198D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I'm trying to port Pingus to an embeded arm system (tomtom navigation = system). And amazingly enough, it works. But... My system has no swap configured and it has 64mb of ram. Pingus seem to = use memory quite extensively and I see in memory log that after every = complete level amount of free memory is declining very rapidly. So I have kernel oops on the middle of 3rd level... My question is: Is it possible to reduce the memory usage? Maybe there is a bug in memry manager or something that does not free = sdl surfaces after they are used?=20 Sincerely, Serg ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C8EA06.EA4198D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi all,
 
I'm trying to port Pingus to an embeded = arm system=20 (tomtom navigation system). And amazingly enough, it works. = But...
 
My system has no swap configured and it = has 64mb of=20 ram. Pingus seem to use memory quite extensively and I see in memory log = that=20 after every complete level amount of free memory is declining very=20 rapidly.
 
So I have kernel oops on the middle of = 3rd=20 level...
 
My question is: Is it possible to = reduce the memory=20 usage?
 
Maybe there is a bug in memry manager = or something=20 that does not free sdl surfaces after they are used?
 
 
Sincerely,
 
Serg
------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C8EA06.EA4198D0-- From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Jul 19 20:07:06 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KKMSA-0001HV-Oz for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:07:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKMS8-0001FM-DO for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:07:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKMS4-0001BP-Md for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:07:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38554 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKMS4-0001BD-Ge for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:07:00 -0400 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.178]:39962) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KKMS3-0004Hn-Si for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:07:00 -0400 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j5so516113wah.18 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:06:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=eEGWY+lDqYGw2NZjx8lkEn2ymz/tR5cUp/hWCyorlwA=; b=Vo2OKTIoNNe25KkWSuwwjFSs50wHKRheKp0Zelw7feNQC30WBkPLuAqL5YkCA4bVhn 3XtbUppPACxWjUQ+30TDZPiMFtphG76JFUv/SNEYL9N5mt86lfK6IZXwC1jMnego74O9 yeh0aqGts9FqNDtjmSI3V0aCDfTcx1Fq45Ia8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=wSZpH2vxptbJOhYh/te+xP2Br9GCr+WL5rF3fvBM/TduLKIo95FaYqikBtOOH8KUEz 4DUnj3WruScrLaY/KOO6wlL4mB1qkTYU7ordyyNjHtSm82v04MWZIlWgO7o1QVClOV5a 9+xd8xrAe7r9Ah9bLGV1ZmAp6JdPsjbg8+EdM= Received: by 10.114.37.1 with SMTP id k1mr1488525wak.44.1216512418468; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.16.8 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4f45b570807191706n38f81e12q574d8ea0c6f536c5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:06:58 +0200 From: "Ingo Ruhnke" To: usb@mobilnova.com, pingus-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Memory consumption in pingus 0.7.2 In-Reply-To: <45FDD45D54ED4C8A8996214A82FA00C3@thinkpadserg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45FDD45D54ED4C8A8996214A82FA00C3@thinkpadserg> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Cc: X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:07:04 -0000 On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:21 AM, wrote: > Maybe there is a bug in memry manager or something that does not free sdl > surfaces after they are used? There were a handful of memory leaks that have been closed in the meantime. So I suggest you try the latest SVN version to see if that performs better. It would of course also be possible to reduce the memory usage of Pingus further, there certainly is still quite a bit of room left. Some things that come to mind: * resource system got ripped out in the ClanLib->SDL switch and isn't back yet, so some surfaces are keep in memory twice even so they are identical (I'll fix that in the next days/weeks) * collision map is keep in memory as one piece instead of as sparse tiles, so we waste a bit of space (colmap consumes ~2MB for a 1920x1200 level) * graphical level map is hold in memory twice (once in software and once on the GPU) and hold as 32bit RGBA, this could certainly be optimized for some systems, i.e. use 16bit or 24bit RGB + Colorkey, share the GPU and software surfaces, since they are identical on some platforms or don't keep them in software at all (levelmap takes around 10MB for a 1920x1200 level) * the whole screenstack is kept in memory, so the menu background and such are kept in memory even when not visible -- WWW: http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/ Blog: http://grumbel.blogspot.com/ JabberID: xmpp:grumbel@jabber.org ICQ: 59461927 From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Jul 20 06:20:40 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KKW1v-00037V-U7 for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:20:40 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKW1t-00034u-QR for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:20:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKW1s-00032z-JF for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:20:37 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53650 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKW1s-00032f-Bx for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:20:36 -0400 Received: from gateway04.websitewelcome.com ([67.18.39.3]:51776) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KKW1r-0007fH-Vo for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:20:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 13940 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2008 10:27:23 -0000 Received: from gator233.hostgator.com (70.84.99.82) by gateway04.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 10:27:23 -0000 Received: from s5590bcd1.adsl.wanadoo.nl ([85.144.188.209]:55626 helo=thinkpadserg) by gator233.hostgator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KKW1p-0002lO-E0; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 05:20:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1C81E82C94C041CAB2A5D00EF206FD02@thinkpadserg> From: To: "Ingo Ruhnke" , References: <45FDD45D54ED4C8A8996214A82FA00C3@thinkpadserg> <4f45b570807191706n38f81e12q574d8ea0c6f536c5@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Memory consumption in pingus 0.7.2 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:23:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator233.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mobilnova.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Cc: X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: usb@mobilnova.com, pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:20:38 -0000 Hi Ingo, Thank you for the fast reply. My comments are in the text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ingo Ruhnke" To: ; Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Memory consumption in pingus 0.7.2 > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:21 AM, wrote: >> Maybe there is a bug in memry manager or something that does not free sdl >> surfaces after they are used? > > There were a handful of memory leaks that have been closed in the > meantime. So I suggest you try the latest SVN version to see if that > performs better. ==> I've got the latest version. src/ut8_iterator.hpp did not wanted to comiple beciuse of include was missing. I've corrected that. Should I send you my file version? Unfortunately, svn version does not react on -g options. I changed def resultions back to 640*480 in globaps.hpp and pingus_main. Current version runs but kernel is out of memory on the first level already. So it this respect it's worse than prev version. I think it's because of high res level map. Is it possible to make the level map smaller? I tried to use level data from 0.7.2 but game complains on some files missing... > It would of course also be possible to reduce the memory usage of > Pingus further, there certainly is still quite a bit of room left. > > Some things that come to mind: > > * resource system got ripped out in the ClanLib->SDL switch and isn't > back yet, so some surfaces are keep in memory twice even so they are > identical (I'll fix that in the next days/weeks) > > * collision map is keep in memory as one piece instead of as sparse > tiles, so we waste a bit of space (colmap consumes ~2MB for a > 1920x1200 level) > > * graphical level map is hold in memory twice (once in software and > once on the GPU) and hold as 32bit RGBA, this could certainly be > optimized for some systems, i.e. use 16bit or 24bit RGB + Colorkey, > share the GPU and software surfaces, since they are identical on some > platforms or don't keep them in software at all (levelmap takes around > 10MB for a 1920x1200 level) ==> my system doe snot have any GPU. Only framebuffer. Does this means that level map is kept twice anyway? If yes, please let me know where to look for the second copy. I think if I free those 10 extra mb all will be fine and problems will be gone And is it possible to make the map smaller? My screen is 480x272x16pp and I run the game in 640*480 and scale the output to match the screen. What is --tile-size game parameter? is it possible to reduce memory consumption with it ? Ireied --tile-size 24 and it did not help... > * the whole screenstack is kept in memory, so the menu background and > such are kept in memory even when not visible ==> I do not think it's too much and I feel optimizing this will be a lot of pain. Probably it's easier to conventrate on double map storage cleanup... > -- > WWW: http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/ > Blog: http://grumbel.blogspot.com/ > JabberID: xmpp:grumbel@jabber.org > ICQ: 59461927 > From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Jul 21 13:40:13 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KKzMr-0007kf-5s for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:40:13 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKzMq-0007jl-5f for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:40:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKzMo-0007hU-Kx for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:40:11 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41818 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKzMo-0007hO-HL for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:40:10 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.183]:36978) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KKzMn-0002MR-OO for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:40:10 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so1136520pyb.10 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:40:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=EIEhe664Isi91ttvkDrpKBWwsnYvjUbXPz0wRXdPIDM=; b=MZYgGnk6Y+9vtNP6wFDMFPu+U5OuGSTGJjfQFeFG8T8+4WB0rpyA5LTj12GSWHnO/d GZuVMJeqpe4y4ZxyEhISbmFRNyfe1fFNR1VG8g2vd1ubII/ns1O2urnMcsQzZUNYxOLb 4mORKochj28QG8OfPSCpnsyKFugRL7fOVbGx0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=uX6gxxTqxIzDrNxMv0VPiP61FZceK2QxDB18i5kiPHrXoFAvFlmD0CDu0tm41Es1HV DiZ6+nOk2I4WAFNPz2aDdMDBD33vt6LTL2F1vSqXUvqe2LAll1Ursd7bKxNka2XtjWtA oRMFSQr/WPiOIV/K40ori94knVcRoj/POZaY0= Received: by 10.115.33.1 with SMTP id l1mr2895871waj.228.1216662005727; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.16.8 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4f45b570807211040l10c0991aj74a12fa67905b3bd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:40:05 +0200 From: "Ingo Ruhnke" To: usb@mobilnova.com, pingus-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Memory consumption in pingus 0.7.2 In-Reply-To: <1C81E82C94C041CAB2A5D00EF206FD02@thinkpadserg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45FDD45D54ED4C8A8996214A82FA00C3@thinkpadserg> <4f45b570807191706n38f81e12q574d8ea0c6f536c5@mail.gmail.com> <1C81E82C94C041CAB2A5D00EF206FD02@thinkpadserg> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Cc: X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:40:12 -0000 On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:23 PM, wrote: > ==> I've got the latest version. src/ut8_iterator.hpp did not wanted to > comiple beciuse of include was missing. Ok, added that. > Unfortunately, svn version does not react on -g options. I changed def > resultions back to 640*480 in globaps.hpp and pingus_main. Fixed that. > Current version runs but kernel is out of memory on the first level > already. So it this respect it's worse than prev version. There was a big leak left, I closed that one, try again. > ==> my system doe snot have any GPU. Only framebuffer. Does this means that > level map is kept twice anyway? If yes, please let me know where to look for > the second copy. In ground_map.cpp the MapTile class, "Sprite sprite" is the video surface, while "Surface surface" is the one in software. However Sprite is optimized for the Display and in a different color format then Surface, so you can't just blit on it with the current blitter, which assume 32bit RGBA for most part. A workable approach might be to get rid of all the Surfaces after the Sprites have been created, thus freeing the memory. And then when the Surface is modified, copy it back from video-memory/format to software and only then keep it for the rest of the level. That way only tiles that are modified are kept in memory twice, which are much less then the whole level. A function that converts a Sprite back into a Surface also would fit well enough into the current API. > And is it possible to make the map smaller? Only with a level editor. I have thought about adding a (levelsize-small) tag to the level format, to define a minimum required levelsize for the levels, but not sure if that is worth the effort, since the levels are already sparsely allocated (except the collision map), so a bigger level isn't really all that much bigger in memory, since its mostly empty space. > What is --tile-size game parameter? is it possible to reduce memory > consumption with it ? Ireied --tile-size 24 and it did not help... The level is split up into tiles, tilesize gives you that size. Larger tilesizes means more memory is spend, smaller ones mean less, since the tiles fit closer to the level. However when it gets to small the tile overhead gets to big and memory usage increases again. I don't think you can safe much memory with it. The current default value however is basically randomly selected, not benchmarked, so there might be a better size, however the saving will be tiny. >> * the whole screenstack is kept in memory, so the menu background and >> such are kept in memory even when not visible > ==> I do not think it's too much and I feel optimizing this will be a lot of > pain. Probably it's easier to conventrate on double map storage cleanup... It shouldn't be to hard to do and gives you 6MB free space. -- WWW: http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/ Blog: http://grumbel.blogspot.com/ JabberID: xmpp:grumbel@jabber.org ICQ: 59461927 From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Jul 21 16:57:56 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KL2SB-0000dF-Vw for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:57:56 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KL2SA-0000bw-TB for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:57:54 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KL2SA-0000b5-6g for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:57:54 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60105 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KL2SA-0000af-0K for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:57:54 -0400 Received: from gateway11.websitewelcome.com ([67.18.7.10]:45057) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KL2S9-0002lv-PH for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:57:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 8102 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 21:04:31 -0000 Received: from gator233.hostgator.com (70.84.99.82) by gateway11.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 21:04:31 -0000 Received: from s5590bcd1.adsl.wanadoo.nl ([85.144.188.209]:51272 helo=thinkpadserg) by gator233.hostgator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KL2S3-0006c5-QW; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:57:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: "Ingo Ruhnke" , References: <45FDD45D54ED4C8A8996214A82FA00C3@thinkpadserg> <4f45b570807191706n38f81e12q574d8ea0c6f536c5@mail.gmail.com> <1C81E82C94C041CAB2A5D00EF206FD02@thinkpadserg> <4f45b570807211040l10c0991aj74a12fa67905b3bd@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Memory consumption in pingus 0.7.2 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:00:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator233.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mobilnova.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Cc: X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: usb@mobilnova.com, pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:57:55 -0000 my comments in text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ingo Ruhnke" To: ; Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Memory consumption in pingus 0.7.2 > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:23 PM, wrote: >> ==> I've got the latest version. src/ut8_iterator.hpp did not wanted to >> comiple beciuse of include was missing. > > Ok, added that. > >> Unfortunately, svn version does not react on -g options. I changed >> def >> resultions back to 640*480 in globaps.hpp and pingus_main. > > Fixed that. ==> confirmed >> Current version runs but kernel is out of memory on the first level >> already. So it this respect it's worse than prev version. > > There was a big leak left, I closed that one, try again. ==> Seems to be better but for some reason current version newer gets further level 1 "learning to dig". I pass that level, games success but the mountain is not "open". and when I press on any other levels than 1, it says 'locked' While running the level, there are artifacts on screen above pingos that dig. Yesterday all was OK I still think that level map is not unloaded after level is finished. At the beginning of level 1 there is about 26mb of free mem. Info screen eats about 2MB (definately should be out of memory when user presses OK). Level start at about 18mb free and ends at about 7mb. After I press OK on success screen, I see the "mountain" picture again but only 9mb are free. It seems that only info screen is freed but not the level and probably not first story screen. In total after level 1 complection, about 17MB are lost. When I press o "leave' button, only 10mb are free. 'levelsets' in main menu it uses around 2mb and seems to give all memory back 'show story' button on 'moutain' screen also takes around 2mb but gives all back >> ==> my system doe snot have any GPU. Only framebuffer. Does this means >> that >> level map is kept twice anyway? If yes, please let me know where to look >> for >> the second copy. > > In ground_map.cpp the MapTile class, "Sprite sprite" is the video > surface, while "Surface surface" is the one in software. However > Sprite is optimized for the Display and in a different color format > then Surface, so you can't just blit on it with the current blitter, > which assume 32bit RGBA for most part. > > A workable approach might be to get rid of all the Surfaces after the > Sprites have been created, thus freeing the memory. And then when the > Surface is modified, copy it back from video-memory/format to software > and only then keep it for the rest of the level. That way only tiles > that are modified are kept in memory twice, which are much less then > the whole level. A function that converts a Sprite back into a Surface > also would fit well enough into the current API. > >> And is it possible to make the map smaller? > > Only with a level editor. I have thought about adding a > (levelsize-small) tag to the level format, to define a minimum > required levelsize for the levels, but not sure if that is worth the > effort, since the levels are already sparsely allocated (except the > collision map), so a bigger level isn't really all that much bigger in > memory, since its mostly empty space. > >> What is --tile-size game parameter? is it possible to reduce memory >> consumption with it ? Ireied --tile-size 24 and it did not help... > > The level is split up into tiles, tilesize gives you that size. Larger > tilesizes means more memory is spend, smaller ones mean less, since > the tiles fit closer to the level. However when it gets to small the > tile overhead gets to big and memory usage increases again. I don't > think you can safe much memory with it. The current default value > however is basically randomly selected, not benchmarked, so there > might be a better size, however the saving will be tiny. > >>> * the whole screenstack is kept in memory, so the menu background and >>> such are kept in memory even when not visible >> ==> I do not think it's too much and I feel optimizing this will be a lot >> of >> pain. Probably it's easier to conventrate on double map storage >> cleanup... > > It shouldn't be to hard to do and gives you 6MB free space. > > -- > WWW: http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/ > Blog: http://grumbel.blogspot.com/ > JabberID: xmpp:grumbel@jabber.org > ICQ: 59461927 > From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Jul 22 13:05:29 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KLLIn-0007wV-97 for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:05:29 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLLIm-0007uZ-5C for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:05:28 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLLIk-0007py-4j for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:05:27 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42389 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLLIj-0007pc-Tn for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:05:26 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.234]:30017) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLLIj-0007N5-8p for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:05:25 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c46so1285163wra.18 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:05:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:to:message-id :content-type:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=09Pf+4XpQx5vkwQymDOAL50Jwp25vzamHy4JVGLM8yo=; b=kWnfd1WvfOgsr+X1ebR9naEMb9n5cqw6LvwOTK2RDE9ZlazcSe7sLloUqPIjp0RUFA CQaODXoU5mVxe7I4ReRTQrtUG8UbVauAWsJ+0bQVh4kZXxSbYUlkwwPET+ep3vQgKO7V 3i9hHBPBnodF+ZzpH/st0XKkulHl8jWWA9zVA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:to:message-id:content-type:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=smtFUVI4ESRLGoKbONNMy77X58YTPhFbZ6ESQMiG9iaGOY8QjpSl6QSSgFBStaK7up CzBlCxm4AN7MVx8CDXXaiLBqRKcCHsBBMe8qY8xGTxXf/pXAaZ5Y+/+GIN+i89jlH54f kAwyIXHFbZJtsThETEtmUJlkw9JMXqIqKJiRM= Received: by 10.90.65.14 with SMTP id n14mr3234916aga.88.1216746323834; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.202? ( [64.234.88.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm7839412wrh.24.2008.07.22.10.05.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org Message-Id: <14600FF4-AC2A-4EBE-9F8D-249AEF2C6F95@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-68404613 From: Josh Dye Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:04:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Subject: [Pingus-Devel] Apple changed tthe pingus download page... 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= --Apple-Mail-1-68404613-- From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Jul 28 23:44:22 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KNg8M-0001xs-Nk for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:44:22 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KNg8K-0001wa-G5 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:44:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KNg8J-0001wN-Bg for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:44:20 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38282 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNg8J-0001wK-98 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:44:19 -0400 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.243]:19258) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KNg8J-0004kc-8e for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:44:19 -0400 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d18so1757277and.130 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:44:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=mg8wR76v4umfo0c4F0Uoj0Bc1uVTCklg3P3oRa0G2q4=; b=jwHfXMKFrNLjRun7/AGaCQNA5svK1azba2c70Hzh4PVWWBHCGvVth1CxPCT28Yz1CH DDDTVVQNzJdazwL2kOmhh/OYaLds9pisLYejJNQDHW0m6qRiRtohn3bS6cjC7yYKe1pH Vqe5LQ9BsAQ6eO5iG3Q6WmVlCvT8/61PupO1M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=ojZ+jxTfb5B/7jdZAEoN4apENpvtMb7tGcg4fzEgcizAutYgmA9AIF9OftcyGrpNaE T19yM2xhBL43RJ1KTQ5uxRYnxZDI8jKm1dHdm59g3tQyQg1a8la7Vdb5G+eU9NhCsF3d 7R/k8zYnJlM1ppvJ8FDHM0pPuLPPGqvwdPyRk= Received: by 10.100.141.5 with SMTP id o5mr9446672and.33.1217303056977; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.225.4 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:44:16 -0700 From: "Christopher Bolin" To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_56799_31238732.1217303056932" X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Subject: [Pingus-Devel] Music on macbook pro X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:44:21 -0000 ------=_Part_56799_31238732.1217303056932 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have one MBP that is 2 years old and another that is less than 1. Both running 10.5.4 - totally updated. The music is so choppy and staticy at times it becomes too annoying to play. Thanks for all the hard work. Love the game. ------=_Part_56799_31238732.1217303056932 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have one MBP that is 2 years old and another that is less than 1.  Both running 10.5.4 - totally updated.

The music is so choppy and staticy at times it becomes too annoying to play.

Thanks for all the hard work.  Love the game.
------=_Part_56799_31238732.1217303056932-- From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Jul 30 17:16:44 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KOJ2J-0006aU-Qv for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:16:43 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOJ2I-0006XI-4S for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:16:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOJ2H-0006Vm-66 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:16:41 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56893 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOJ2H-0006VR-2Z for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:16:41 -0400 Received: from gateway02.websitewelcome.com ([67.18.66.20]:43578) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KOJ2G-000674-IZ for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:16:40 -0400 Received: (qmail 16932 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 21:29:40 -0000 Received: from gator233.hostgator.com (70.84.99.82) by gateway02.websitewelcome.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 21:29:40 -0000 Received: from s5590bcd1.adsl.wanadoo.nl ([85.144.188.209]:51059 helo=thinkpadserg) by gator233.hostgator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KOJ2B-0006xL-Mh; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:16:35 -0500 Message-ID: <37F0FCC8F7564BA38413C4BB65E7F667@thinkpadserg> From: To: "Ingo Ruhnke" , References: <45FDD45D54ED4C8A8996214A82FA00C3@thinkpadserg> <4f45b570807191706n38f81e12q574d8ea0c6f536c5@mail.gmail.com> <1C81E82C94C041CAB2A5D00EF206FD02@thinkpadserg> <4f45b570807211040l10c0991aj74a12fa67905b3bd@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Memory consumption in pingus 0.7.2 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:19:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator233.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nongnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mobilnova.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Cc: X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: usb@mobilnova.com, pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:16:42 -0000 I've just got latest version from svn. Large memory leak seem to be solved, I can pass 1st level now. Some memory seem to be returned to the system after level is completed. But I still have following problems: 1. After level1 is completed OK, I can not go to level2, when I click on it, game says 'locked'. What could be wrong ? 2. I wanted to make a clean build and executed scons -c. After that executing scons configure complain s that libboost_signals nor found and there is following log in config.log: scons: Configure: Checking for C++ library boost_signals... scons: Configure: ".sconf_temp/conftest_0.cpp" is up to date. scons: Configure: The original builder output was: |.sconf_temp/conftest_0.cpp <- | | | | | |#include "boost/signals.hpp" | | | |int | |main() { | | | |return 0; | |} | | | ccache /usr/local/cross/gcc-3.3.4_glibc-2.3.2/bin/arm-linux-gcc -o .sconf_temp/conftest_0.o -c -mcpu=arm920 -O2 -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -Darm -DCPU=arm -I/home/serg/devel/Libraries/Pingus-devel/../../Arch/arm/include -I/home/serg/devel/Libraries/Pingus-devel/../../Arch/arm/../../TT -I/home/serg/devel/Libraries/Pingus-devel/../../Arch/arm/../../TTMP -I. -Isrc .sconf_temp/conftest_0.cpp arm-linux-gcc: .sconf_temp/conftest_0.cpp: No such file or directory arm-linux-gcc: no input files I checked .sconf_temp and there is no conftest_0.cpp. For some reason it is not created. I swear I have boost, it was compiling today ok and configure was OK week ago... What could be wrong ? Sincerely, Serg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ingo Ruhnke" To: ; Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Memory consumption in pingus 0.7.2 > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:23 PM, wrote: >> ==> I've got the latest version. src/ut8_iterator.hpp did not wanted to >> comiple beciuse of include was missing. > > Ok, added that. > >> Unfortunately, svn version does not react on -g options. I changed >> def >> resultions back to 640*480 in globaps.hpp and pingus_main. > > Fixed that. > >> Current version runs but kernel is out of memory on the first level >> already. So it this respect it's worse than prev version. > > There was a big leak left, I closed that one, try again. > >> ==> my system doe snot have any GPU. Only framebuffer. Does this means >> that >> level map is kept twice anyway? If yes, please let me know where to look >> for >> the second copy. > > In ground_map.cpp the MapTile class, "Sprite sprite" is the video > surface, while "Surface surface" is the one in software. However > Sprite is optimized for the Display and in a different color format > then Surface, so you can't just blit on it with the current blitter, > which assume 32bit RGBA for most part. > > A workable approach might be to get rid of all the Surfaces after the > Sprites have been created, thus freeing the memory. And then when the > Surface is modified, copy it back from video-memory/format to software > and only then keep it for the rest of the level. That way only tiles > that are modified are kept in memory twice, which are much less then > the whole level. A function that converts a Sprite back into a Surface > also would fit well enough into the current API. > >> And is it possible to make the map smaller? > > Only with a level editor. I have thought about adding a > (levelsize-small) tag to the level format, to define a minimum > required levelsize for the levels, but not sure if that is worth the > effort, since the levels are already sparsely allocated (except the > collision map), so a bigger level isn't really all that much bigger in > memory, since its mostly empty space. > >> What is --tile-size game parameter? is it possible to reduce memory >> consumption with it ? Ireied --tile-size 24 and it did not help... > > The level is split up into tiles, tilesize gives you that size. Larger > tilesizes means more memory is spend, smaller ones mean less, since > the tiles fit closer to the level. However when it gets to small the > tile overhead gets to big and memory usage increases again. I don't > think you can safe much memory with it. The current default value > however is basically randomly selected, not benchmarked, so there > might be a better size, however the saving will be tiny. > >>> * the whole screenstack is kept in memory, so the menu background and >>> such are kept in memory even when not visible >> ==> I do not think it's too much and I feel optimizing this will be a lot >> of >> pain. Probably it's easier to conventrate on double map storage >> cleanup... > > It shouldn't be to hard to do and gives you 6MB free space. > > -- > WWW: http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/ > Blog: http://grumbel.blogspot.com/ > JabberID: xmpp:grumbel@jabber.org > ICQ: 59461927 > From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Jul 30 18:12:49 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KOJub-0001cv-4v for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:12:49 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOJua-0001cm-03 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:12:48 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOJuY-0001ca-K4 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:12:47 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47547 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOJuY-0001cX-C9 for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:12:46 -0400 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.251]:7291) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KOJuY-0004Nm-0J for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:12:46 -0400 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so223400rvb.22 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:12:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=IZIjK9PgaY3IR0OJRLThYNE1q5Y39lqom5AP3O10h20=; b=KMOHaiGOQ05ulU0DSEw9ylQ8cFHJEprhE5CWI/ajl4JD8+1V7l9RNC0pUEbRN8bwed s6dT6ABOh25Q7MoN3EMEjqhtTV3IV9TdPxil4oiCAPFubIW4qgRUuFT3wJDWbF9btoiL e6JLqh1x3QCeGtlDmvG0XrzngOQR1OiMxJ6oc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=bEBW8FEqB+0UXCRRNd+zHgXqbUkoK73wTw7E6wPb7svRuu6Uh9GZA4NJ4IQinaztX+ vgfyi4Oid6JO2RJBQSDt1KAcIYYhsoiI+liB1pZa/8uXRQEUif7m55xKBI7U/XgRVX7g sjdvv5oupe2xDqx0fHLjioYWd+g7bVwbd8R88= Received: by 10.140.201.15 with SMTP id y15mr4882257rvf.145.1217455962902; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.85.1 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <18e575130807301512k251020c3m55ae36fc03f68924@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:12:42 -0400 From: "Michael [Plouj] Ploujnikov" To: usb@mobilnova.com, pingus-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Memory consumption in pingus 0.7.2 In-Reply-To: <37F0FCC8F7564BA38413C4BB65E7F667@thinkpadserg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45FDD45D54ED4C8A8996214A82FA00C3@thinkpadserg> <4f45b570807191706n38f81e12q574d8ea0c6f536c5@mail.gmail.com> <1C81E82C94C041CAB2A5D00EF206FD02@thinkpadserg> <4f45b570807211040l10c0991aj74a12fa67905b3bd@mail.gmail.com> <37F0FCC8F7564BA38413C4BB65E7F667@thinkpadserg> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Cc: X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:12:48 -0000 On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:19 PM, wrote: > I've just got latest version from svn. > Large memory leak seem to be solved, I can pass 1st level now. Some memory > seem to be returned to the system after level is completed. But I still have > following problems: > 1. After level1 is completed OK, I can not go to level2, when I click on it, > game says 'locked'. What could be wrong ? > 2. I wanted to make a clean build and executed scons -c. After that > executing scons configure complain s that libboost_signals nor found and > there is following log in config.log: > scons: Configure: Checking for C++ library boost_signals... > scons: Configure: ".sconf_temp/conftest_0.cpp" is up to date. > scons: Configure: The original builder output was: > |.sconf_temp/conftest_0.cpp <- > | | > | | > | |#include "boost/signals.hpp" > | | > | |int > | |main() { > | | > | |return 0; > | |} > | | > | > ccache /usr/local/cross/gcc-3.3.4_glibc-2.3.2/bin/arm-linux-gcc -o > .sconf_temp/conftest_0.o -c -mcpu=arm920 -O2 -ffunction-sections > -fdata-sections -Darm -DCPU=arm > -I/home/serg/devel/Libraries/Pingus-devel/../../Arch/arm/include > -I/home/serg/devel/Libraries/Pingus-devel/../../Arch/arm/../../TT > -I/home/serg/devel/Libraries/Pingus-devel/../../Arch/arm/../../TTMP -I. > -Isrc .sconf_temp/conftest_0.cpp > arm-linux-gcc: .sconf_temp/conftest_0.cpp: No such file or directory > arm-linux-gcc: no input files > > I checked .sconf_temp and there is no conftest_0.cpp. For some reason it is > not created. I swear I have boost, it was compiling today ok and configure > was OK week ago... > What could be wrong ? Maybe the scons database (.sconsign.dblite) got inconsistent with the contents of .sconf_temp/. It won't hurt to try deleting the whole .sconf_temp/ directory. -- Michael Ploujnikov http://plouj.com/ From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Jul 30 18:36:22 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KOKHO-00063Z-PF for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:36:22 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOKHM-00061z-BT for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:36:20 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOKHK-000612-Mi for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:36:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53933 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOKHK-00060z-JR for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:36:18 -0400 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.248]:10637) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KOKHK-0006kc-7I for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:36:18 -0400 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so232635rvb.22 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:36:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=kcyRQQLwMrhZtvTDIPoRJPDXdp2+VNZki0y2Du0sN8s=; b=bh06KjU+akck2i9nrXbf+cAu8D/7A/l9mrvEwXbWGq2rsyCOJe5QTDqCYiSMRqhrf0 L2Zs3m96fF4coJhuZMWb5HBk9hJ6rD2FzPegor0l7s0DhQtYcZStt1ujxnijCvDAO/++ sjwqIjqcetVb2wc9Z1dPoVw5TiroT2CNhF7Jo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=NKbJNE2XRWoQBw3iUZrHyZW81WJoeH2D97HgX5fk3mMEFrLaLxaCJ3kXfZ04fLB/1x Cwqa+3pxaXgQh9CXK1S1kr1MhXRkeB2YnBlwxRKlGykQ5ti6Z4pZii3PC3uMl9TKlk+Y oOXu7Rj6QQRiOGryh27cASx5DO26YrBDAr0ck= Received: by 10.114.79.18 with SMTP id c18mr9392486wab.86.1217457376592; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.16.8 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4f45b570807301536m3c30f1bbk29d3d0e30108c2a7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:36:16 +0200 From: "Ingo Ruhnke" To: usb@mobilnova.com, pingus-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pingus-Devel] Memory consumption in pingus 0.7.2 In-Reply-To: <37F0FCC8F7564BA38413C4BB65E7F667@thinkpadserg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45FDD45D54ED4C8A8996214A82FA00C3@thinkpadserg> <4f45b570807191706n38f81e12q574d8ea0c6f536c5@mail.gmail.com> <1C81E82C94C041CAB2A5D00EF206FD02@thinkpadserg> <4f45b570807211040l10c0991aj74a12fa67905b3bd@mail.gmail.com> <37F0FCC8F7564BA38413C4BB65E7F667@thinkpadserg> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Cc: X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:36:21 -0000 On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:19 PM, wrote: > 1. After level1 is completed OK, I can not go to level2, when I click on it, > game says 'locked'. What could be wrong ? I butchered a lot of code in the last weeks, some things like save system, cutscenes and config file handling got a bit broken in the process. Will be fixed in the coming weeks. > 2. I wanted to make a clean build and executed scons -c. After that > executing scons configure complain s that libboost_signals nor found and > there is following log in config.log: > scons: Configure: Checking for C++ library boost_signals... > scons: Configure: ".sconf_temp/conftest_0.cpp" is up to date. > scons: Configure: The original builder output was: > ... > What could be wrong ? Hm, maybe something with the scons state data got screwed up, try to delete .sconsign.dblite files floating around in Pingus directory. -- WWW: http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/ Blog: http://grumbel.blogspot.com/ JabberID: xmpp:grumbel@jabber.org ICQ: 59461927 From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Jul 31 04:49:10 2008 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KOTqQ-0008BD-C4 for mharc-pingus-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:49:10 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOTqO-00086j-DV for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:49:08 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOTqM-00084a-LR for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:49:07 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60567 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOTqM-00084N-3e for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:49:06 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.203]:44267) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KOTqL-0005aH-MR for pingus-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:49:05 -0400 Received: from BAY124-W10 ([207.46.11.173]) by bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:49:03 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7dea2b06-c55c-4497-91e9-c5bcac658275_" X-Originating-IP: [202.156.9.3] From: Ody Ali To: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:49:03 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 08:49:03.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[48C888F0:01C8F2EA] X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+ Subject: [Pingus-Devel] Deactivate account X-BeenThere: pingus-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pingus-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: pingus-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:49:08 -0000 --_7dea2b06-c55c-4497-91e9-c5bcac658275_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi moderator, i would like to stop receiving any emails about pingus.Thanks _________________________________________________________________ Check out Barclays Premier League exclusive video clips here! http://fc.sg.msn.com/index.aspx --_7dea2b06-c55c-4497-91e9-c5bcac658275_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi moderator, i would like to stop receiving any emails about pingus.Thanks

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