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Clément Pit--Claudel |
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bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like ` |
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Sat, 24 Sep 2016 12:30:07 -0400 |
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On 2016-09-24 03:28, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> I hope, based on the coverage you presented, it should be clear that
> Consolas is worse than Courier New. Non-support of Arabic script is
> a non-starter these days. On my system, Consolas supports 16
> Unicode blocks and 598 characters, while Courier New supports 29
> blocks and 1258 characters, almost twice as many.
> […] So I don't think we have a candidate font on Windows that is
> better than the current default.
Hi Eli,
I'm not sure it makes sense to equate "better" and "worse" with more or less
coverage. Is Consolas worse than Courier New in terms of number of characters
supported? Certainly. But then why is Emacs not defaulting to MingLiu or
NSimSun? They are both monospace, both available in recent releases of
Microsoft Windows, and they both cover multiple East-Asian scripts, (Courier
New doesn't). On my system, MingLiu supports 28955 glyphs; over 23 times as
many as Courier New.
Do we have evidence that users of Emacs on Windows write significant amounts of
code in Arabic, to the point that we would want to use Courier New as the
default, instead of as a fallback? If so, do we have evidence that more code
is written in Emacs in Arabic than in Chinese and Japanese? And finally, do we
have evidence that users of scripts that Consolas does not support prefer
having Courier New as the default, rather than Consolas with a fallback to
Courier New, or MingLiu?
I'm not too familiar with editors on Windows. Do many of them default to
Courier New? AFAICT Netbeans apparently does, but Atom doesn't (it uses
Consolas), Visual Studio doesn't (it uses Consolas), Sublime Text doesn't (it
uses Consolas), Eclipse doesn't (it changed from Courier New to Consolas in
2011), and Notepad++ doesn't (it changed from Courier New to Source Code Pro in
2015). What makes things that are acceptable for so many other editors
non-starters for us?
Cheers,
Clément.
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- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Drew Adams, 2016/09/22
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/09/22
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Drew Adams, 2016/09/22
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/09/23
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Drew Adams, 2016/09/23
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/09/23
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Clément Pit--Claudel, 2016/09/23
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/09/24
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `,
Clément Pit--Claudel <=
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/09/24
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Clément Pit--Claudel, 2016/09/24
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/09/24
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Clément Pit--Claudel, 2016/09/24
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/09/24
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Clément Pit--Claudel, 2016/09/24
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/09/24
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Drew Adams, 2016/09/24
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Drew Adams, 2016/09/23
- bug#24510: 25.1; Info: searching for ` does not find what looks like `, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/09/24