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Re: Menubar on text only terminals
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David Kastrup |
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Re: Menubar on text only terminals |
Date: |
Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:25:15 +0200 |
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Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) |
Giorgos Keramidas <address@hidden> writes:
> On 2007-04-02 16:56, Nick Roberts <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>> With tmm, sub-menus have to be navigated through completions
>>>> lists, which some find inconvenient. Toolbars don't have
>>>> that extra complexity. I'm just trying to say that toolbars
>>>> and text terminals (with use of the mouse) are a more natural
>>>> fit.
>>>
>>> That's kind of debatable. Programs like the text-mode elinks
>>> web browser work quite nicely with a text mode menubar. The
>>> menu bar of Emacs works in a different way than the elinks
>>> menu bar, but I don't see why this makes it less useful than
>>> the toolbar.
>>
>> Maybe for the reason I just gave?
>
> That's where the 'debatable' part fits. Some users may find it
> more useful to use completions to access the menu, rather than
> try to hit a particular menu entry with a mouse pointer. Others
> may, obviously, disagree.
>
>> I'm not familiar with Elinks but if it works as well as you
>> say, perhaps, ATR it would a good idea to redesign Emacs text
>> mode menubar along the same lines.
>
> This is a good idea, IMHO.
>
> Maybe we can aim for making something like this available for
> Emacs 23, and make it also possible to switch between two 'modes'
> for accessing the menu. The current completion-based mode, and
> something that resembles elinks :)
tmm is not really helpful in most cases since it requires refocusing
one's attention all the time. It is possible that it may work better
with screen readers and/or Emacspeak, but I doubt it. I think I
remember someone blind actually being using X11 since the screen
readers get along with it reasonably well.
I think that the MSDOS port has a more traditional text menu (which
closely resembles the graphical menus by appearing in-place).
It would probably be better to port that functionality to text
terminals in general before thinking about what to do with toolbars: I
don't think that many people consider tmm a good idea. And it
certainly is a good hint that for MSDOS, one of the few console-only
parts, someone went to the pain to implement something else.
--
David Kastrup
- Re: Menubar on text only terminals, Giorgos Keramidas, 2007/04/01
- Re: Menubar on text only terminals, Nick Roberts, 2007/04/02
- Re: Menubar on text only terminals, Giorgos Keramidas, 2007/04/02
- Re: Menubar on text only terminals, Eli Zaretskii, 2007/04/02
- Re: Menubar on text only terminals, Nick Roberts, 2007/04/02
- Re: Menubar on text only terminals, David Kastrup, 2007/04/03
- Re: Menubar on text only terminals, Eli Zaretskii, 2007/04/03