Re: Interactive guide for new users

[Dmitry Gutov]

On 13.09.2020 17:04, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> > I don't see what's so complicated you see about icomplete-mode. If you
> > have problems when trying to use it, perhaps you should ask questions?
>
> It isn't complicated for me, I'm familiar with icomplete-mode for
> quite some time.  I think it will be complicated and confusing for
> newcomers, especially if they expect a very different style of
> completion.

Perhaps. But it's a bridge between what the oldies

> Company is much closer to what they expect, I think.

But you didn't even care to acknowledge the company-based example in my 
previous email?

> > To my knowledge, if we want to come close to what those other editors
> > show, our current best bet is icomplete-vertical (or something similar
> > to it) PLUS a packages that moves the minibuffer to either the center or
> > the top of the frame (or makes it seem live the minibuffer has been
> > moved, of course).
>
> Those have an annoying misfeature of causing jumps in the window above
> the minibuffer.

No, they don't. That's the point.

Did you look at the screencast gif?

> Other possibilities exist, but my point is that if we want to offer a
> better completion to make it easier for newcomers who expect something
> like that, we should work on a completion style that they expect, or
> something very similar, and icomplete-mode isn't.

Have you tried icomplete-vertical?

Whether we choose icomplete or Ivy, though, the issue of being able to 
offer a UI where the minibuffer is overlayed on top of the frame is 
something we should work on. And it's something tied to a lower level 
functionality than just completion styles (the minibuffer, the echo 
area, and the frames display logic).