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Re: Suggested experimental test
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Alfred M. Szmidt |
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Re: Suggested experimental test |
Date: |
Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:14:55 -0400 |
That doesn't answer the main question: how do you concretely poll these
users? and what would you consider to be a significant enough fraction of
Emacs users for the poll to be representative? Would 500 answers be
enough? 1000? 5000? 10000?
I don't have the link at hand, but RMS had posted how to do exactly
this time of poll. I can try to locate it for you if you want.
What would you do with the result of such a poll? What if only 50 or 100
in those 10000 answer "yes"? Should the feature be kept for those 50 or
100?
The idea behind a poll is to gather some data and get an idea of the
overal situation. emacs-devel isn't a very good place for such
information.
Moreover the result of a yes/no poll like "Do you use M-o
(frobnicate-line)?" is not very useful:
What is the issue understanding those answers? They give some insight
as to what users might prefer and what they do.
> so one could accumulate a set of proposal in release 20, send it out
> during release 21, and delibrate and implement for 22.
That would be unrealistic, it would mean a four to six years waiting
period before an UI change can be implemented, long enough to discourage
anyone in advance to even envision the possibility of proposing such a
change.
Would that be a bad thing? Why is there such a hurry to change
_existing_ behaviour, or specifically _removing_ existing behaviour?
We aren't talking about every single UI change. Emacs is stable, and
significant changes in the UI should take time (I consider C-o to be
more significant than M-o -- which at least when it got modified the
key got a different useful meaning).
>> Fortunately, such changes are easy to revert for users who would
>> dislike them, and the way to revert them is documented in the
>> NEWS file.
>
> From my experience, it isn't the case.
Of course it is, for example the way to revert the M-o change is
documented in the NEWS file, both for those who would like to only
revert facemenu, and for those who would like to only revert the
two center-foo commands.
We are misscommunicating, I am talking about restoring the previous
behaviour in Emacs, not on a per user basis.
The point here is that the suggestions have been removing
featues, without replacing them. exit-recursive-edit got moved to a
different binding, and the semantics of C-c got changed to something
useful.
- Re: Suggested experimental test, (continued)
- Re: Suggested experimental test, Alfred M. Szmidt, 2021/03/21
- Re: Suggested experimental test, Gregory Heytings, 2021/03/21
- Re: Suggested experimental test, Alfred M. Szmidt, 2021/03/21
- Re: Suggested experimental test, Gregory Heytings, 2021/03/21
- Re: Suggested experimental test, Alfred M. Szmidt, 2021/03/21
- Re: Suggested experimental test, Gregory Heytings, 2021/03/21
- Re: Suggested experimental test, Alfred M. Szmidt, 2021/03/21
- Re: Suggested experimental test, Gregory Heytings, 2021/03/21
- Re: Suggested experimental test, Alfred M. Szmidt, 2021/03/21
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- RE: [External] : Re: Suggested experimental test, Drew Adams, 2021/03/22
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