Re: GUI and redisplay work

[Arthur Miller]

Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu> writes:

> Le mercredi 27 octobre 2021, 19:12:36 CEST tomas@tuxteam.de a écrit :
>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 06:07:53PM +0200, Alexandre Garreau wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> > All current Web engines derive from KHTML and Gecko, which are very
>> > old… wouldn’t the web engines in 2050 still derive from them, given
>> > their age?
>> > 
>> > On the other hand, TeX has now’ve been around for half a century, as
>> > long as emacs, and longer than the gnu (and nowadays main or even
>> > only seriously used) implementation of emacs [...]
>> 
>> Before you start re-inventing the world, if I were you, I'd have a
>> look at what is "out there" already. Perhaps to contribute to it,
>> perhaps to copy it, but just perhaps to learn from it on how to
>> do (or not to do) things:
>> 
>>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_TeXmacs
>>   http://texmacs.org/tmweb/home/welcome.en.html
>> 
>> I think Joris and the other (many!) contributors could share quite
>> a few stories...
>
> I know TeXmacs and since it initially enthusiastmed me a lot (iirc I even 
> talked a bit with its author during a GHM a decade ago), I several times 
> tried to use it but unfortunately my computer is too slow to run it 
> fluently, so I gave up trying.
>
> Moreover while WYSIWYM looked like a good idea orally, using TeXmacs was 
> at the same time more confusing than standard markup, and WYSIWYG 
> (although I typically use WYSIWYG only in a very very limited way), so 
> maybe the idea is just too innovative to be easy to grasp from a single 
> software that’s rarely used (I rarely typeset documents actually, 
> especially to print anything, and I prefer to take notes in text editors 
> because I don’t get margins nor slowness, I just compile them once when I 
> export my exams to pdf).
>
> Also looks like it’s only a text processor with it own format, and not a 
> general purpose editor, that could edit, say, HTML or TeX, or, most 
> importantly, its own config files, so it’s nor really like emacs, nor TeX :/
>
> And although it looks as good as TeX typographically, it’s younger and 
> could be less stable, but I’m sure there could be good ideas and 
> experiment here… I just already don’t have the time and attention 
> capability to work on emacs as much as I’d like (so I still haven’t 
> contributed anything), and TeXmacs would be lower priority for me.
>
> Also I’d like first and foremost to read and understand all TeX’s and 
> Metafont’s source (especially as it’s heavily documented in its own 
> favored way and made to be read that way), and understand how does GTK 
> works, before to try to understand some software that uses the later to 
> incompatibly mimmick the first.  I still haven’t done that.  And I should 
> reread the TeXbook, but doing the exercises and reading the source at same 
> time.

Have you checked out Nyxt browser?

https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/

CL + another widget derived from khtml ...

I am quite sure someone could develop a text editor based on "web technologies"
or just in pure CL that works in Nyxt.