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No doc for cl stuff even after loading cl?

From: Drew Adams
Subject: No doc for cl stuff even after loading cl?
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 10:48:58 -0700

emacs -Q

C-h f flet finds no match. Normal
M-x load-library cl
C-h f flet then gives this:

  flet is an autoloaded Lisp macro in `cl-macs'.
  [Arg list not available until function definition is loaded.]

  Not documented.

That doesn't seem right. What's a user to do, chase down the various
cl libraries (in this case cl-macs.el, presumably) in order to get

If a user is asking for doc, we should give it to him/her, instead of
saying that is not available until the function definition is
loaded. This looks like Emacs is deliberately being uncooperative,
making the user jump through hoops to get what s?he asks for. If we
want to avoid loading large libraries, then perhaps we should split
off the doc in such cases so we can provide it without loading

In GNU Emacs (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
 of 2006-03-20 on W2ONE
X server distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --cflags -Id:/g/include'

Important settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: ENU
  locale-coding-system: cp1252
  default-enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Info

Minor modes in effect:
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  tooltip-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  tool-bar-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  unify-8859-on-encoding-mode: t
  utf-translate-cjk-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t

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