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Aw: Re: Re: Installation: Manual text


From: Laurence Finston
Subject: Aw: Re: Re: Installation: Manual text
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 18:02:08 +0200

> Oh, so you never user your distribution package manager to install
> software, and, instead, you compile and install all your programs?

No, that's not what I meant.  By "the software I've worked on" I meant the 
software
I write myself.  Until I retired, programming was my profession and I have a 
couple
of active freeware projects.

I only build other peoples' programs from source if I'm interested in them (the 
programs)
and think I might want to see how they work.

Otherwise, I usually use synaptic or occasionally apt-get via sudo, even for 
programs for
which I also get the source from a tarball or a git repository.

I did install the version of mdk supplied by Ubuntu and that's what I'll 
probably
use.  I downloaded the tarball of the latest distribution just in case and also 
just to see
if I could build the package from it.  I haven't
checked yet what version Ubuntu supplies.  I wanted the full development sources
and I'd like to be able to keep up with changes so I cloned the git repository. 
 Having
done so, I wanted to install it, but since I plan to use the version from 
Ubuntu, not
in the "canonical" location.

If there is some problem with library locations or whatever, then this might be 
solvable
in the usual way by appropriate settings of environment variables and/or 
changes to
configure.ac so that they're found or something along those lines.  If it was 
one of my packages,
I would be glad if someone let me know about problems of this kind when 
installing it in a non-standard
location.  However, I don't want to make assumptions about what other people 
would want.

> Gesendet: Samstag, 09. April 2022 um 17:37 Uhr
> Von: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <mail@jao.io>
> An: "Laurence Finston" <Laurence.Finston@gmx.de>
> Cc: bug-mdk@gnu.org
> Betreff: Re: Aw: Re: Installation:  Manual text
>
> On Sat, Apr 09 2022, Laurence Finston wrote:
>
> > Most people have their own computers nowadays and I never log on as
> > `root' or as a user with root permissions unless I have to.  None of
> > the software I've worked on in the last 10 years plus requires root
> > permissions for anything (installing or running) so I always install
> > it somewhere under my home directory.
>
> Oh, so you never user your distribution package manager to install
> software, and, instead, you compile and install all your programs?  And
> never use 'sudo' or equivalent?  That's certainly possible, but, in my
> experience, for most people, most of the software they use has been
> installed with root privileges (either directly or vicariously via sudo
> or an equivalent program).  Of course, that doesn't mean that they use
> that software as root, and mdk doesn't require that either at all (nor
> would i recommend doing it).
>
> For regular users not wanting to compile everything they use, my first
> recommendation would be to simply use their package manager to install
> mdk (at least in debian, it's still well-maintained and there's a deb
> for the latest release).
>
> For expert users like you wanting to compile mdk themselves, i still
> recommend installing it in the same places where a package manager would
> (and that requires root access for installation, yes): mdk uses lots of
> external libraries and their resources (icons and the like), most of the
> time installed by package managers in similar locations. In my
> (necessarily limited) experience as a maintainer, there are less
> problems that way (specially with complicated, big dependencies, like
> GTK+ or Glade, which like to look for their resources in "standard"
> locations).
>
> Of course, your mileage may vary (documentation patches, or of any other
> kind for that matter, are always welcome).
>
> Thanks,
> jao
> --
> Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing
> it at someone else; you are the one getting burned.
>  -Buddha (c. 566-480 BCE)
>



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