Re: GNUstep version number(s) (was: Re: GNUstep article (was: Re:gnustep compared to other toolkits))

[Chris B . Vetter]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 03:17:02 +0200 (CEST)
"M. Grabert" <xam@grabert.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Chris B. Vetter wrote:
> > The hype around KDE and GNOME is based on their being different to
> > any window manager at the point of time they emerged but being similar
> > to Weendoze, making a transition much easier.
> that's true. Especially KDE is alot like Windows (arglll).

So is Gnome, basically, though it looks different.

> well, I think GNUstep should be easy, simple and elegant, but not
> necessarily ALL the apps (I'm not talking about the GUI here).
> I think the GWorkspace.ap should include a browser with has
> the capability to handle all kind of files and protocols.
> It's NOT the job of GWorkspace.app to open/edit those files, nor
> to handle the full protocols (ftp, http). I think more of using
> bundles and external apps here

That's what Services are for ;-)

> you misunderstood (or better: I didn't express myself clearly enough):
> That's not the point - we can conform to the unix philosophy; we
> just use a wrapper called GWorkspace.app (or something else)
> to use all the services we need for like a single huge app.

Well, the Workspace app is your interface to the system. If it's
GWorkspace.app or something else, doesn't matter. And as long as
applications register their services, those will be accessible through
the Services menu entry ...

> > > Moreover themes and nifty feature is what people want.
> > Eeeks, themes again.
> I like themes alot. So everything (GNOME, Gtk-apps) looks like OPENSTEP
> No, to be honest, I don't use themes at all and I don't care about
> themes. But that's what the people want. If we say, we want to make a
> OpenStep-compliant API, we don't need themes at all (and probably no
> NeXT fan wants them). But If we want to make GNUstep an alternative
> to GNOME and KDE, we NEED it ... at least someday!

Someday, in version 10 I hope ...
I still don't understand WHY someone would want to use a different
look?! Is there anything MORE elegant looking that NeXT/OPENSTEP???

> > Not if it obviously is superior to others - though history tells us
> > a different story (eg Weendoze) ...
> that's want I mean. So how many OpenStep developers do you know ?
> Or even MacOS/Cocoa developer ?? Or people who know what GNUstep, 
> OpenStep, Cocoa, NeXT and ObjectiveC is ???

Yes, I get on everyone's nerves ;-)
Well, actually I was more thinking about GEM or OS/2, which IMHO
were FAR more superior to Weendoze at that time.

> It is superior, but nobody cares, the same for smalltalk or other cool
> stuff (befunge ;). But because why ? I don't know exactly.
> Perhaps because GNUstep is not mature enough for GUI apps, or OPENSTEP
> was/is too expensive. There are just not enough deleopers and apps.

No, there is no hype about it, which I think is a good sign.

> And GNUstep is VERY last for the linux desktop competition.

You know the German proverb "Die letzten werden die ersten sein".
(The last will be first - for our English speaking minority ;-)

> Do users (non-developers) care about Object-Orientated Programming,
> Bundles, Dynamic Binding ? Not at all. They want stable, usable,
> unique GUI apps. If GNUstep has to rule the market, we need apps
> that are AT LEAST as good as all the basic apps for GOME/KDE (sorry for
> shouting). I think there is no other reason why users should decide
> to switch to GNUstep (except there would be a killer-app written in
> GNUstep everybody wants).

I agree, however, this might lead down the road to bloat-ware.

> > > > My .01 Euro :-)
> > > just 0.1 euro ? it's less than 1 cent! Moreover small Euro-money is
> > > also called cent, so ...
> > What the heck is an Euro? Is it edible?
> One upon a time, there was a continent consisting of many countries.
> They tried several time before to form a union with a unified currency,
> but now it seems they succeed (1.1.2002). This new currency is called
> Euro (former know as Ecu), divided into 100 cents/Euro. (Now fiction:)
> But unfortunately after a while nobody wanted the new money anymore, so
> all countries decided to split again and everybody was happy again ;)
> Well, most people really don't know what the should think about the
> Euro, and many people don't trust it or even don't like it.
> For me it is an interesting experiment which might have more
> advantages than disandvantages. Let's wait and see!

Use Dollars ...

> To answer you question: yes, it is edible, but it might kill you.

Edible, but only once?

-- 
Chris